Salty Dogs Podcast with Anthony Nelson

who can forget again? I'm looking again already Derek Brocks already touchdown tam a day, Derek Brooks, the lost Pariot player here the national football like there it is, then Daggers in where you're gonna win the Super Bowl. We call them the Salty Dogs. Hello again out there, all you podcast friends, Welcome again to another edition of the Salty Dogs. We're glad you joined us. Yes, yeah, I'm very happy that you joined us. By we, I mean me Scott's and me Jeff Ryan, we are your salty Dogs.

And we were just saying, uh, this one could get a little salty. Yes, but before we pretzel, Yes, but before we get started, what's your favorite shape of pretzel? Because they had pretzel rods in that press box. Yes, they were very tasty. Yeah they're they're they're classic role gold pretzel rods. It's the best way to eat a pretzel, but never put him in your pocket, And then said little helpful And what were you about to say before

before we get going on this on this edition? Um, I have I have proven that I did not say you could not use coins you. I addressed it because after we did the podcast last week, I went upstairs and I started thinking about it, and I tracked it down, and I isolated the audio and sent it to you

and said, there you go. You were You were a percent right the for anybody who doesn't know what he's talking about on a podcast a few weeks ago, I said that, So I said, and that somebody had told me when you got pound coins back in London they were almost useless because you like businesses wouldn't take them back in payment. And I don't remember, and I don't remember who told me that. But when we talked about it again because we got a question about it, I

misremembered that it was you. Well, so I blamed you, and our questioner actually did not blame you. When I went back and read it. No, but if you go back and listen to the audio, you said, there's two of us that said you did it. I know I was. I was wrong in that regard as well, and I said, I'm proving both of you wrong. But if you had not found that audio, then we would have just gone on believing that you said that. Yeah. But what's interesting

is um Um Jill, who's our social media person. Um, she came into my office and the next day she gave me to my office and said, you did not say And I go, what? And she goes on the coins you didn't say it. She goes, I was listening to the podcast coming into work today and immediately I said, he did not say that. It wasn't you. It was somebody else and I can't remember. And that stinks because I then stupidly shared that with several people, and UM looked dumb in the SS. It's not that I like

to be right, but I do. You do very much like to be right. And you know, whenever you get that rare opportunity you're taking, you grab it. Yes, you in particular, I mean, um, Yeah, And the the question who wasn't named Claria? If I remember correct correctly from London was saying, yes, you can pay it that way, you just it could take a while account it out. So she was corrected. She was too, you just misinterpreted. I passed along bogus information and that wasn't that probably

was probably double check. It was probably the language barrier. So anyway onto Salty Dog. Uh, well, she was of import Yeah. Uh, it's not a good week because the Bucks are two and five and and uh it's hard to see the playoffs from two and five. You know, you're looking over a mountain and you can't really see on the other side. It's not impossible. But we said, and the coaches said even before we went to Tennessee that that game was very big. And then the difference

between two and five and three and four is big. Yeah, it's considering what everybody else is doing. You have San Francisco seven and oh, you have New Orleans would six and one. It's a very top heavy and bottom heavy league, which doesn't bode well for the teams at the bottom, and and it makes it even more difficult trying to grab a wild card spot. Yeah, that's what I mean, because you're gonna go ten wins may not come to Seattle.

What are they five and two? Maybe we might. Yeah, they've they've lost twice and they were both at home, believe it or not. That's where we're going next. Yes, you know, Bruce arians has a good track record and four and one, so hey, we got that going for us. As he says, it's his house. Yes, I was just reminded of that by a guy who actually works for the Seahawks. I was not aware it was four and one. That's really great. That's pretty scread. He had said our

house when he was with the Cardinals. I mean, can you do whatever it takes? That That brings me to a point um that I think you and I were in a conversation with somebody yesterday and I said something and you nodded your head because you felt the same way. And believe me, take this for what you will out there, there's a kind of a weird undercurrent in this building,

a confidence. Uh. And the players were very emotional in the locker room after the lost Tennessee because, like the Giants game in particular, they felt like they should have won it right and that they can't stand these games anymore where they feel like they were the better team, and they didn't win, and and they they're clearly tired of it, and they were emotional, and they were very, very adamant about what needs to happen in the next

nine games, nine games starting with Seattle. I'm not in any way saying anybody's well, I haven't heard, and I wouldn't want to hear anybody walking around saying they you know, they know we're gonna win a guarantee. I'm not getting a balton board material. I'm just saying, and I'm sure the Seas are confident as well. I'm just saying, you might think of two and five team that lost three in a row and has to go to what is traditionally one of the toughest venues in the lead of

playing might be, you know, a little bit concerned. But there's I'm saying, it's kind of a weird feeling here, and weird good. I mean, you wanted to be confident, they feel good. I think I think a lot of it is, you know, don't miscontrued. It's not finger pointing. It's well, they're pointing out themselves at themselves, saying we're hurting ourselves. If each each person is supposed to do what they're supposed and the guys are tired of it. Man Mike Evans, the way the words he was saying

to the David, they're tired of it. Um, Bruce Arians talked about after the game, we got Bruce on the air and we asked him, you know what he of course, you want to know what he said to the team, and he responded immediately, I didn't say a word. I didn't have to Levante David and just owned it. And a couple of players spoke up, but mostly Lavante. And then afterwards Bruce said that that's all it needs to be said. And they broke it. They broke the huddle,

and that's called leadership. Yeah, well that's what you need. You know. Bruce's Bruce Arian's teams have never lost three in a row before. Uh. And that's so he's an unchartered waters so to speak. But um, yeah, I think they know a lot of people say unchartered waters when they say that you said it, right, Well, people say unchartered waters unchartered like they harder ship has ever done. Next because I'm a fisherman, Well, we are the salty dogs, yes,

and you are actually a fisherman. I am, I know, not not a really great one, but I know people who can fish, and so I've learned you've been on the right boats all people. I have learned quite a bit. I am not. I am less than zero as a fisherman. And I don't think I would enjoy it being on a boat. Yeah, having a few bruised, yeah, I could do that part. Well, I get c sick. So this is a whole new channel. Yeah, but you still like fishing. It's it's unbelievable there it's a Russian hands. Are we

talking like out in the ocean fishing? Well, you know, I spent four days out in the Dry Tortugas, which is about ninety miles outside of Miami, about ninety miles Key West, a dry tortio they're called the Dry Tortugas is a territorial section of water. And then there's a Fort Fort Jefferson that's there. It's a national park that we actually went to. Yeah, it's very very cool. Sounds great and yst Key West off a Key West. I think I saw that I was in Key West last

but earlier. Yeah. No, it's one of those things that it's a it's a rush when things go right. But you know, kind of like kind of like football, you know when it's going right. And I thought at the end of the half in game against Tennessee, I was very impressed with with what was coming together. Come back,

come back. You know. The funny thing about that was you always talk about how you know, you lose, you defer or you lose the coin flip or whatever, and you get the ball first in the second half, and you like to be that team that has the ball at the end of the half, scores, comes out and scores again. That double dip thing that you know everybody credits Build all Check with inventing, but everybody wants to

do it. The Bucks kind of did that even though they didn't have that situation because the Titans scored a field goal with just like a minute left, and so you're like, oh, and they get the ball first, you think, okay, they're gonna do it to us, But instead we did it to them because we used that minute to drive down great plays by Mike Evans touchdown and then a quick stop to start the second half and another touchdown

to Mike Evans. So even though we didn't have the setup, we actually ended up doing that and that was the best part of the game. Before and after wasn't as good. But you Um, an alert just popped up on my phone and it said, uh, the Bengals are benching Andy Dalton, which got me thinking about one of the things we were I had written down here and we had we were just talking before this about how there's the feeling

in this building. Um, but there's for me what what what is bothersome is it feels like the Bucks in two thousand and nineteen are missing out on an opportunity because this this league is very stratified right here. It's a lot of really good teams and a lot of teams that are very bad. And I don't think the Bucks are one of those very bad teams, but our

records down there with them. This would be this would have been a great season for us to be that team that rises up from where we were while these other teams fall. I mean, just think about where these teams are. Think about Miami, the Jets, Denver, Bengals. Now they bench Dalton, they haven't won a game, Atlanta has fallen apart. They're probably gonna have to go through a

big rebuild. Washington is it's all a big blank show and a lot of well, Chicago still got a shot, they've got problems, but it's I don't want to say the word, but these places, it's a big blank show and that's not what it is here. But missed opportunities have made this season essentially as as bad. I mean,

those teams don't have quarterbacks. And you can say what you want to say about James Winston, but uh, if you especially if you if you agree with Bruce and say that neither of those interceptions were his fault and Bruce would know better. Nine. He was very adamant about it.

I certainly it certainly felt like the last one that our receiver wasn't there during the During the broadcast, even before all that was brought up, Dave Moore did mention that, okay, so, which is interesting because like he said, you know, they're in a cover two. When they're in the cover two, you gotta go in. Yeah, he goes, that's just that's that's just the play. Yes, So Miami, you know, obviously Fitzpatrick is in a long term so and Rosen probably

isn't it either. They don't jets. They have Donald but you know he's been up and down. Uh, Denver Flacco's hurt. They got a bunch of young guys. Cincinnati's Benching, Dalton, Atlanta Matt Ryan's hurt, Watchington quarterback situation. Most of these so many teams have a add quarterback situation. And I know that there are mixed feelings about Jameis Winston there, but you do have a guy that you can win games with. I mean, we should have won that game,

We should have won the Giants game. We have we have a guy that can put up big numbers and if he can have the game like the four games stretched between weeks two and five when he was throwing touchdowns and that interceptions, you can win with that. We have that. I I don't know what the future holds long term for Jamis and the Buccaneers, but we have a quarterback, whereas most of these teams have nothing. You

know what I'm saying. You know they've got a hurt guy, and I say we there's we should be out of this group, is my point. We're missing an opportunity here. But you're not. You're not and I guess you are what your record says, right, the old John Gruden thing. But it's just frustrating. Yeah, and I it not only is it frustrating for the fans, it's it's just frustrating. Period. We did touch base on the players on their frustration, and honestly, the only ones that can change it are them,

And so we'll have to wait and see. I suppose if you want to walk a little tie rope here and stick our toe in the water, it should be a little careful. Should we talk about the inadvertent whistle? We gotta be a little careful here, right, I'm gonna defer. You'll let me go across? Well? Are you will you hold the rope study for me? Would you let me that bouncing bar there? Well, I think I think, what what um? If I'm gonna do it? Are you differing in that sense? If I go first? And then? No? No,

this is how you do it. All you have to do is watch Bruce arians Monday press conference, just the beginning, and you pretty much you'll know how he feels. Yeah, it pretty much sums it up. It is frustrating. It was the first thing he said in both his postgame press conference and his money press press commerce, so obviously it was of great importance. To him, I'm gonna give it a little bit of a whirl here because I

think this can be done. And you know, obviously what we're worried about here is putting yourself in position to get a fine as an NFL employe. Yeah, normally I wouldn't be so worried about it, but since there is so much conversation about it out of the building, and since everybody on all national platforms have been talking about it, arguing whether Bruce was right to say that or whether you know he's he's way off base, that it was one play. You can't blame them for your loss, that

type of thing. I think there's elements of truth to that. Um. I think you can discuss the play though, because I can do that because the referee told the pool reporter that it was their whistle blewe because it was ruled that he was down before he lost the ball. Uh, and then upon reviewing it they realized that yes, he did fumble the ball. So we know they've admitted or not admitted, but acknowledged because you can see it right on. It's not a question that you can see it if

you watch the replay. Clearly fumbled. So they that's a fact that he fumbled and there's a clear recovery and a return which would have been a touch on all that. That's not criticism, that's just a fact. So um, it's understandable why a coach would be frustrated if you if that whistle doesn't blow and one of the one of

the officials did, none the others did. And there's a lot of discussion about uh in this league, and it's frustrating for everybody who watches this because you've heard that there's an emphasis on in places such as that on not blowing the whistle because if you let it play out and it turns out he didn't fumble, that's an easy fix, right If you blow the whistle and you realize he did fumble and it would have been touched on, you can't fix it. As the rules are, you can't

fix it once the whistle is blown. The presumption as players here whistle, they know they don't have to play anymore, even if they're running anyway, which was interesting as they kept playing. Our guys did at least and a few of theirs. I'm sure it's probably hard for every player to hear the whistle. I we and what's very because

what's what's very difficult about that particular play. And I understand why they blow a whistle, but usually when a whistle gets blown, it's because a guy is trying to uh and advanced the ball and he's being held up and press forward progress. Yes, and in this particular case, he was too yards short of the first down. Well he got just wallop and just he was It was a bang bang play. It wasn't he was held up. He blew up. It was right in front of us.

And I mean it wasn't even a thought process whether whether he was just still trying to make forward progress he was, he got he was going back with then that they didn't even say that. They just thought he was down. And that's why. But that's why I don't understand why why you would blow so quickly. Well, I'll be honest, from up in the press box and probably on TV watching it live, you I didn't. I couldn't tell immediately that it was definitely a fumble. I mean,

it's a great tech. You're like, who did he make it? He didn't make it? You're that's the first thing you're excited about. And then you see one of the ball the ground and our guys scoop it up, and then you started hoping it's a fumble. I couldn't tell, but I'm not down there on the field and the players are and they could see was a fumble, and obviously some of the rest, most of the rest felt at least that there was a question, so they didn't blow

their whistle. So it'll be interesting to see what comes of the US, because it doesn't seem like this ever changes that, even when they say we're gonna emphasize not blowing the whistle, and maybe that's just what it is. It's hard for how many rests are there nine officials,

nine on the field. Maybe it's hard for all nine of them to remember because you see as a ref, I assume you see an official, you see what you think you saw, And if what you think you saw was him hitting the ground and then the ball popping out, which wouldn't be a fumble, then you could blow. You could justify blowing the whistle because the play is over and you want to save everybody from running around. I think so maybe it's hard not to do that is

what I'm saying. I think the reason why this is my opinion on why this has become a big issue is the league has said we are instructing our officials not to blow the whistle. But this is the third game this year that a whistle was blown the play dead, which would have resulted in yeah, there was to happen. Well, it happened to New Orleans, it happened to it happened to the Texans last week, and then it and it

happened to the Buccaneers. So after the Saints one, it became this major discussion that no whistles are going to be That was the first big one. It was against the Rams, right because it was kind of funny that it and so that was that was so you here, they're going to emphasize blow and that was early in the year, and so we're not going to blow the whistle. And that's why I think this has become a bigger issue. If it was like one time this year, you say, okay,

you know we're gonna revisit us. Well, but I understand I've I felt at that time that the Buccaneers would have won that game if that would have happened. And the reason why I say that is because you could just feel the momentum, it sucked out until they realize, Okay, no, it's not a touchdown. It's only gonna be here. Because you gotta remember that Titans were trying to do a trick play and the trick play didn't work. So their coach would have been highly questioned because you kick a

field goal you're up by seven. I think what he was trying to do was win the game because they get the first down there, they can run down a lot more time and still kick a field goal potentially, but if they scored touchdown, it's over essentially. I also felt like we would have probably one had that touchdown by Andrew Adams counted. But let us let us acknowledge a couple of things. There were three and three minutes

of forty one seconds left, which is plenty of time. Uh, And I know I felt good about what our defense did for most of that game. You know, their first two touchdowns were drives of like four and five yards. One of them was ten, but we gave him the first five on But you gotta remember, though, that they did drive nine. Until then, we had given up virtually no extended drives in the game. But after we got

up twenty three to seventeen. They did have two extended drives once well, I think the yeah, I'm going off, you know, just I can't remember if the one that started at the tin was the one that ended in a field goal, which make it like a sixty eight yard right, But in any case, they were two extended drives. They did. They did get that, and they were converting third downs, which was the frustrat But it also changes

how you play, It changes everything changes that. But that's an argument to bolster the side that says, you can't really know we would have won, So we you and I are biased here, Jeff. We we like to think if we had gotten that our defense we've gotten to stop, even though there's been some evidence and you know that that wouldn't necessarily be the case. I think it would

have been a lot more fun to watch. And then the second, the second part of that is we did still have the ball, and we did drive into their territory and we did get within Yeah, we and it was within certainly within Matt gaysfield goal range. He's been deadly since the Giants game and he's made fifty two, fifty four eight, made a forty yarder in that game, I believe, but we didn't need field goal because of red zone problems earlier in the game. Again, that's a

common refrain um our red zone. Are we seem to have problems executing in the red zone. Yeah, and I you know, the first drive of the game, you get down there, you had a big play your thing. Yeah. Good, well, but it's a great play by Mike. He would have caught a touchdown past which was actually a smart penal, a smart penalty to take turn out and saving four points. And I think Dad is always whenever you get that close. And but but Tennessee, you know that the week before

that they won by by a goal line. These plays from the three in the four yard line, and we had like six of them, We had nine of them before we got one in. But then the little fade to Mike Evans was so easy. It seems like there are plays out there when we do score, when the other team scores, it just looks like it's so easy. It shouldn't be this hard to get the ball in from the three or the four yard line. But everything continues to go wrong, most obviously on the Dariakba Wally

getting hit by Brashode Perriman play, which was embarrassing. Uh, It's just how can that happen? It should never have happened. But again, we started here and you you emphasize that the fourth and one, so we should talk about that. There was another fourth. In short, I think it was that their forty three earlier in the game, we had a three point lead at the time was to twenty.

We elected to punt and did a good job, got the ball down to like the eight yard line, and and Bradley Pinnion did a good job of that with help from Ryan Sment the whole game. Uh. And coaches asked about that one because in today's NFL, with some coaches being like uh, Peterson and Philly being blatantly more aggressive in some of these situations, fans are now trained to think, you know, ten years ago, you wouldn't even thought about, of course he's gonna punt there fans and

training to think, is that really the right decision? Should we maybe go for this? And I admit to being on the fence on that one, but I did think that his explanation was pretty good. Bruce, he said he didn't even consider I think there are situations where Bruce would go for it from the other forty on the fourth and one. But this wasn't it because, uh, if you don't get it, you're only up by three, they get two first downs, are already in field goal range.

The way our defense had been playing for most of the game. If you just if we just weren't giving them great field position, they weren't scoring. So the way that our defense is playing, the way our punters getting the ball down there, I guess it does make sense to me, it does. I get it, it's not. I don't have a problem with that decision. Yeah, And if you do go for it and you don't get it,

then it's right, you can't. You can't, you can't win. Well, that's that's actually why this sort of revolution it takes

so long to happen. Even if the numbers tell you that you should be going for fork down a lot more often, um, because that may be true in the long run, but coaches know that they have to answer for individual situations, so that even and I don't think they necessarily did, but even if the number said we should definitely go for it right there, that's over the course of all of the possibility you know, all the times you have the ball there and you're not always

gonna get it, so you don't get that they get an easy field goal. Then you're answering questions about why did you do that? You know, and maybe you're answering questions to your superiors about why you're doing that. I can totally understand why coaches, because they have to buy into it for an entire season or entire career or whatever, because they have to do it enough for the numbers to be in their favor. So you can say, look,

this was good in the long run, right. Um okay, So back to the fourth and one on our last real chance to score. Um, it was the Jamis is in the shotgun with Peyton Barber next to him, and apparently there was They went out on the field with a run or a pass. Uh And depending on the coverage, which in this case they see man to man, they're even gonna call a runner of the past. And they

went with a run because of the coverage. And apparently, according to Bruce, who has been asked about several times, is not wavering for the fact that the problem is simply we missed a block backside block. He said at on one occasion. So as a fan, you always like you see see a critical have to have to have this fourth and one have to have it, and you just see a pretty much straightforward running plane. You think

that's it. But teams run straightforward running place and we we we converted short thirds and force earlier in the game. I think that's where the you know you talk about the frustration. Um, I think that's what happens. They look at they look at tape or they see it right away and they see it's all there, but one person doesn't make it happen. That's happened a couple of things. Um the um snap then hit. Yeah, because he went

too soon. He went too soon. Well, the reason why he went too soon was that they were having problems communicating and um, Ryan Jensen got tapped. Yeah, that's how they do it right. Yeah, it wasn't that loud. There wasn't what was at that point. He got tapped, but he wasn't supposed to be tapped at that point. There

was a miscommunication of tapping. Yeah, because you see that a lot in the loud statements of the guard because the center can't really look around, but the guard can sort of look back and and the tap was to tell you something. And how did you find um from Goody? He yeah, he told us that on Bucks Total Access. He told Casey Phillips that that's that's really funny because you think about this, you think you're the wise up fan when you say, hey, Jamis gets Jamis is being

blamed for that fumble. But it was really the center's fault because he snapped it too soon. But now we found it, it really wasn't even the center's no, it wasn't no, it wasn't. So I think that's you know too. As we started this the frustration in the building, and Bruce made a comment during his TV show and also his radio show, fans take six days to get over a loss, and unfortunately, well players have forty eight hours to get over a loss because they're off on Tuesdays.

Coaches have twenty four hours to get over it. He said that the Giants game took him a while to get over and this one is going to take him a while to get over. So when you when you have this discussion of what it feels like in the building and how they're taking it, I think they are seeing we are so close when I say, weed that the team so close, but it's just that one little thing that keeps happening. But in all honesty, that separates

you from a good team. You can't say you're a good team when keeping and nobody's saying that, no no, But you do see the potential of it, and you do see that. I mean honestly, you feel like it's a quick fix. But for whatever reason, sometimes we happen. Sometimes we do fix whatever it was, only for something else to get you get a new one. So you say fans take six days to get over a loss.

I wonder if there's a cumulative effect there, um or you know, because since there have been a number of these, some fans are just getting really Oh yeah, they're they're tired even more than if we win this week in Seattle. It's not going to no, no, no, But you know, you gotta start somewhere. I will, I will say that, um. And it hasn't really been discussed in the building. Uh. On the interaction that I've had with coaches and players, I have not heard this one time, and that is wow.

This has just been a really long road trip and it's really, you know, really really hard. No one has said that. Now, on a personal note, I am happy that this is the last road trip this weekend. It's been. It's a very long one. But if you think about it, you know, five weeks ago we were going to l A and then we went to New Orleans and we went to London and we had that bye week, and it was the bye week was like a blur and then and then boom, you're in Tennessee and flying home

from Tennessee. I got home and and um, I started watching the baseball game and the football game. I was flipping back and forth. I was just trying to chill out and and all of a sudden, I don't know where I go. Dang, I gotta go to Seattle on Friday, which is which is I only under. And the reason why I bring this up is that it's difficult to do. But I'm I have a lot of respect for the players because no one is saying anything about that. They're

not worried about that. They're trying to win. So that's a good thing. Um more on that fourth than one play. I think the problem is as a fan, it's hard to watch. As I said, if you know it's so crucial and then you see just basically a straight up the middle running play that doesn't work. It feels worse. You want to see as a fan, as a as a coach, I want to call a play that I think it's gonna work, so it doesn't matter what it is.

Is a fan, you want to see something that maybe takes a little while longer so your hopes aren't crushed immediately. You know, maybe the quarterback takes the snap, rolls out a little bit. There's got a couple of levels you can throw too, Maybe he can run some more options so that if one, for particular thing breaks down, maybe

there's maybe maybe you got a shot somewhere else. Of course, coaches are deciding based on what play they think work, and and every coach has to know that doesn't matter how confident I'm in this play, there's a chance it won't work. I don't think they call place thinking this isn't gonna work. And if they are, we gotta have a sit down. We have a problem. Yeah, well, after that play, w t F wasn't was was said an

awful lot in the Tampa Bay area. Yeah, play and and and I understand why, but I don't spend a lot of time second guessing because I know that the vast majority of the time it's UM. It's just a matter of execution, And if it had worked, you wouldn't have You wouldn't have for a moment thought that was a bad call. I've learned longer. I don't you know what, I don't hear a lot of people saying that was a bad call. I'm really surprised it worked. Do you

ever hear that? You don't hear that very often? Maybe, Uh you know, if Aaron Rodgers can be falling down and throw a looping pass into the back quarror of the ends on a third just life teams like we put it on the board, maybe that's when where you go, Well, that shouldn't work, but it did. But those things don't happen very often when you don't have Aaron Rodgers. Uh so, yeah, I mean I said, I don't really get into the game of second guessing UM play calling, or try not to.

I've learned not to only because I've been proven wrong too many times, because I've had the fortunate experience to have coaches sitting me down and put tape on and then say this is what you're saying right, and I, yeah, being very confident. Yes, okay here and then you go, oh, I didn't. I didn't notice that. I didn't know that. Nobody told me that, so I have to respect it. Yeah, it's just but but in sports you get to you

you don't have to like everything and debate it. We're also talking the difference between you and I and being a fan. I think when I'm watching my baseball Cardinals, and that's my other passion, I'm sure I'm very irrational. Lots of the time they're irrational. Would not describe how you are when you do. If we sat and watch the Cardinals game, I don't have to because if they're getting shellacked, I said, did you watch the game? No, because there I can't watch it. All right, I get it.

But um, yeah, so we've covered I think the big stuff, right. Yeah, well you know if we have a question about it later, So alright, we could. We could be talking about JPP right now. But which is let's save it, okay, because that was the next thing. I was going to say, how exciting to have him back, So we'll save it for the really liked how a lot of that went. Um. I also think just one last thing. I know the secondary still had a coach, a few communication issues which

they had hoped they would have cleared up. But I think the reviewer, I think Carlton Davis got his hands on a lot of footballs. Um you know again on the on the penalties and officiating decisions pastor ference is going to be well, he has what he has to learn is yeah, if you were gonna do that armed thing again, yeah, because that's what he did down the second one. He didn't have to do that because the ball well I'm not sure he did. The point was he had his hands on him and then the guy

goes flying because well he flopped. And that was the one that got challenged, right, and there was no and of course, you know when he got challenged, I said, didn't you know what they're gonna I don't think that was past reference and I don't think if it had been called not quality they would have been able to overturn it. But I didn't think we were gonna win

that challenge. But then I almost understand it anyway, the challenge because you don't know what you're gonna get, and who knows if this was the week where they where the NFL started getting worried about the backlash to the backlash about how nobody can win the pastor it's calling. They tell you, guys, hey, all right, we gotta we gotta at least to overturn a couple of these, right.

Who knows, maybe that would have been this week. You ever, No, I don't think the coaches have any idea what they're gonna get, and a lot of them are choosing not to challenge it unless it's Here's the thing. I think it was a risk reward situation because this wasn't just to overturn a play. This was either their offense has the ball on our side of the field, or because we've gotten a pick and run it back, our offense

has the ball on their side of the field. It was a huge difference of situation, so the risk reward. I'm glad, I'm glad he challenged. I mean, I'm on it, but I can undercompletely understand why you're just kind of crossing your fingers, like maybe this is the one they overturned. I didn't think it was past inference on the first one, but it's irrelevant because there was also a rough in the quarterback, so wouldn't have count it anyway. Uh So, But anyway, I did think there were there were. I

thought the coverage was better there. Their wide receivers hardly did anything at all. We had trouble, we couldn't stop that tight end, and then the other tight end had one big play. But there their receivers combined for about fifty yards. I mean, the coverage was better. And did you notice that? Did you notice a change? And you probably did, because I'm sure Dave talked about it that.

While Vernon continued to start Vernon Hargreaves, he moved into the slot Nickel and Sean Murphy Bunting, who is your third corner? Played really really well, but he's so Vernon's playing like um Randy Barber type roll right, and and Vernon asked to get to get wanted, Yes, he wanted to get slit over there. Interesting? Is that another thing?

No little little tidbits that I bring to the table. Yeah, I mean, you know, you gotta bring something maybe other than maybe they had up to worthwhile, other than sparkling water. I brought my own, but you did bring accurate information on London pounds and how and when they could be spent or welcome. So you want to move on, Yeah, let's do that. Okay, We'll get to the next segment and then we'll come back also and an answer fans questions the Salty Dogs and we're back here on the

Salty Dogs Podcast. I'm still Scott Smith. Yeah, I'm still Jeff Ryan, but we've got a new person in the room. This is everybody's favorite part of the podcast every week when we have a guest with us, and today it's Anthony Nelson. Anthony, thanks for being here. Yeah, thank you guys for having me on. I'm I'm excited to you know, hang out with you. That conviction that's because you told him, Scott he started. You know, you gotta you gotta beat

your guy. Second second straight member of the two thousand nineteen rookie class. Anthony. You come from a football family, right, absolutely, Yeah. Yeah. My my dad played at Iowa UM in the eighties and the early nineties, and then my brothers are actually right now playing still so UM. Definitely a football family, football all the way. And his brother was a walk on. Yeah, yeah, brother Rose walking on. His name is Nathan. I read

Wikipedia as well. You know, he just said his father played there in the lady and he's in early nineties. That means that I'm old enough to be his father. Because I was at Northwest for the exact same time. I let it. I just let it go. So yeah, So was it a just a done deal that you were going to go to Iowa for that reason or did you look at other places? Yeah? I absolutely, Uh no,

So I did look at other places. Initially, I only had offers from Iowa State and then a bunch of Missouri Valley UM double A subdivision, So I was playing on going Ia State for a while, but it was it was a done deal. If I had the opportunity to go to Iowa UM on a scholarship, it was gonna be Iowa. How would your Dada felt about you going to Iowa State? I was just gonna I was just gonna say, it's not answering. Yeah it was. It was okay with it. It was. It wasn't forbidden. But

he was like, I hate that. I hate that. This is one situation where in fun you're really thinking about he's willing to pay out of state schools. But I like it. You you came out of ye early right at the combine, you said it is because you wanted the challenge of the next level. What do you think of that challenge so far? I've been happy with it.

It's awesome. It's definitely a challenge, but um, I've already learned so much and and uh, I've been able to work with a lot of great guys in our room, and and uh work under a great defensive coordinator and the top bowls, and um, I mean it's just invaluable the amount of experience I've gained, you know, seven games through and uh, you know, I'm excited to keep it going and keep improving. Yeah, and now JPPS back, there's another guy for you. The absolutely it just gets better

and better for me. So uh yeah, I mean, I'm I got three guys that are are really really good in our room, and I'm just trying to pick up everything i can from that. What was the reaction like on the sideline when JPP comes back for the first time and on his very first play he gets a sack. You guys going nuts over there, and it was it

was like mixed reactions. So some guys are kind of like just going crazy and some guys just kind of like a little side smirk, like I didn't think it was gonna happen this early, but you know, I kind of do this is good. What was gonna happen? Eventually? It's kind of sellings, like, really, are you kidding me?

He hasn't been here this old time. First play gets the sack because they're not easy to come by, as they say, Um, it's kind of weird that that you got to play at the Outback Bowl at Raymond James Stadium and then was that their last game? Yeah, that was that was your last game last So I always like to find stuff like that because you play there. At any time. When you were were at the Outback Bowl, were you thinking, Wow, this would be kind of a

cool place to be. I thought, yeah, I thought watch January and I was about twenty degrees right now and it was beautiful. There's pawn trees all around. I was like, this would be a cool place to live. But I never really I was like, I never really thought like, oh, I could be a Tampa Bay buccaneer and you know, four or five months. So that's pretty crazy that that it ended up. They did talk to you at the

combine though, right one of the ones. Yeah, briefly, but Um, you couldn't tell from that, Yeah, I mean I couldn't tell on draft ed and I didn't think I was gonna come here, to be honest, but I'm glad I did. They really wanted to, just so you know, because on the there after night, after they come out of the room, after they make a pick, and and I was staying in nearby when um, when Jason came out of the room, they were really freaking excited about that pick. I'm not

I'm not making this up. I swear it's true. They they thought it was a steel where they got you. So yeah, I mean that should feel good, right, Well, yeah, I mean I feel good. I got a lot, got a lot to prove and a lot a lot of work to do still. But see, that's see. And that's the other thing that seems to be happening every every rookie we've talked to, they you know, they've had some success this year, but they're automatically saying, I have so much to learn, so much to prove, And you know

you're an NFL player. Did you think that was ever gonna happen? No? No, I never thought I never thought, um, that this this day would come. But I guess just you know, I was like, all right, I got a scholarship division one and I went and just trying to make the most of that. And at the end of that, I was like, you know, you know, this is this is a reality, and it was kind of crazy to me.

But I never really expected it growing up. I dreamed of it, but I was like, I don't know, it just seems so it seems so surreal that that that could happen. Sometimes, How hard is it for your dad to just remain so cool and calm through all of this or is he not? Well? Yeah, the first you'd assume that he is remaining cool and calm. I was trying to give dad the benefit of the doubt. He's talking about this a little bit. It sounds like you

have a great relationship with your dad. Yeah, absolutely I do. He's been, you know, a big support for me through my whole life. My dad and my mom um, my brother, to my whole family. But those are the guys I really lant on. But he having his experience going to Iowa was was really uh nice because he held went through it before, so he could give me some pointers and be there and talk about some things. With me. You know, you came out early. But how do you

make that decision? How did I mean? You're you're having success in school, things are going well. Another year of college is never too bad for anybody. How did I feel like? He smiles, Um, I mean it was difficult. It was difficult for sure, UM, But I mean it comes back to the challenge thing. I really I just love pushing myself and UM, you know that's kind of just what has defined me as a person at least

so far. U UM. And I you know, I graduated with my degree in December, and and then I just had this opportunity and I knew and I knew I was ready and I really wanted it to take it on head on. So UM talked with my family and you know, they kind of came to the same conclusion,

and uh, we decided to go that way. We talked to Scottie last week and he said it his during the draft, he had a few people over in his house to watch, but not too many because he wasn't sure he's gonna get drafted, so he kept it kind of small. But it was a great experience. What what was yours like? Yeah, I say, I'm probably very similar. I had some family and in close high school buddies over um and just haud of my parents house just hang out. Um. We did order some food and that

was about it. We just laid backus. I'm just curious what did you order? Um? Well, if you ever go to the morning, you gotta get jeth Rose Barbecue. See there you go. Okay, learned something. Just Rose Barbecue is amazing. Smoke ds can't go wrong either. But okay, which game would it beating? The past week when we went to Tennessee Tanner Hudson had a ton of family there. So which game would it be for you? Would it be Chicago or Green Bay? Where would where would people be

able to come? Detroit? Um? Yeah, we I don't think we. I think Nashville might have been the closest game for us. Um Detroit maybe a yeah, we do go to Detroit. Um. But the closest game if we played like at Kansas City or at Minneapolis, would probably be the closest game for for all my family? Are you hoping for that all right? You know because usually the player asked to annie up all those times, some players are like really excited,

others are yeah, not so much. You know, I didn't even think I thought he didn't even crossed my mind. It's necessary. These are these are what the salty Dogs do. We make you think about stuff you never thought you needed to think about. Do you think we should talk about football a little bit before? We don't have much time a well, I mean you want to know who he is as a person. He's just not a football players. Come on, what I really don't need these people back

and get them going. Coach is just telling us. You know, I was in the locker room after the game, heard what happened. Coach is just telling us, Um, the plane flight back, he actually liked it because coaches like it when they're when the plane flight is angrier than usual. That and he said, you guys are angry, and you remained angry today and it resulted in a very serious practice. It feels like there's a bit of a different mood in the building this week. Is that accurate? Yeah? I

would agree. I'm trying to talk to you guys and be you know, be myself, be happy. But obviously everybody's um frustrated with where we are right now. Um, but you know part of that is is hold on to that anger a little bit, but you gotta move on and you gotta prepare for the next game, and that's the hell for us. So but yeah, I mean it was definitely disappointing. We're different disappointing our performance, but um, you know, we have nine more games, and so that's

the opportunity. You're never gonna get back. He can't go back and change anything. So we're just gonna work, work and keep working and uh, you know, turning to sing around and next up to Seattle. Um, i'mine you probably haven't played there, rights, like though I've heard it's crazy. Um, you know, I'm excited to see it. Those kind of atmospheres are special. Uh you know, even if it's on the road and they're chairing against you, it does, uh it gets you going as a player and you and

you enjoy being in that kind of atmosphere. The good news for you is that Bruce arians calls that our house because when he was coaching Arizona, they won there four out of five times. Well. The other good news, too, is is that the Seattle Seahawk fans are really really good football fans. So when the Seahawks offense is on

it's very quiet. Why is that good news? Because he's a defensive player, and so it's good for news for him about see what I'm saying, work with me a little bit here, so he'll be able to experience it, but he'll be able to do his job. So that will be the That will be the fifth game in a row on the road. It's finally the end of this long streak six six weeks. But I know one of whom counted as a home game, but long trips l A, London, Seattle. This one's not that much shorter

than the London trip. And know you guys were well prepared. The sports science people helped out as much as possible. How has it been tough? This all this in row? You know, I thought it would be way tougher. Those sports science guys have done an awesome job. And then, um, I don't even know, I haven't really noticed that. You know, you say it's fifth week on the road, but um,

especially during season, kind of getting that routine. It's, you know, Monday, you come watch the game, and Tuesday off, and then you're preparing Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then you fly and and then it just kind of you get in a routine, and as long as you're taking care of your body on the flights and doing the things that sports science guys have been um recommended, you know, I haven't really

noticed that that much. And and that's the credit to the sports science guys and all the people involved in that. So which is something I mentioned during the podcast earlier, is that none of the complaining, none of that. None of the players are complaining. It's my interaction was, guys aren't even yeah, and we're not even thinking about it. Where where I'm I'm complaining heavily about it. I'm tired of traveling right now. Well, we'll let you have a

one more question before you go. Um. I asked you as we were walking up what you thought of the area Tampa. Obviously you like the weather. Hopefully your career is long and it's here for a long time. A lot of guys that moved down here for this job end up putting down routes here because they really liked the place. Could you see this being a place where that could happen for you? Yeah? I do like it. A lot of a lot of great people around and

obviously beautiful weather. But um city Tampas and nice is very nice. Um, you know, it reminds me a lot of Iowa in a lot of ways. Um, just how just the people, like I was, just everybody walks around. There's just nice people everywhere and like it's you know, it's it's a big city, but it's it never doesn't feel too busy and too packed. Um, and that's just kind of the the vibe I've got. And uh but yeah, it's just it's like a nice little Eyowa but a

little warmer. So there you go, it's always warmer. Well we're we're we should be getting that nice. Well it should be cool done within two months. Well, thank you, Anthy. We really appreciate your time, especially I just asked him. You know, he's great and I know he's got a meeting. He wants to a little just then, So we really appreciate your time. Thank you, guys the Salty Dogs and we're back here for our final segment on this week Salty Dogs podcast. I'm still here with Jeff Ryan, I'm

still here with Scott Smith. We we do in the final section we answer fans questions. Yeah, but before we get to that, we also in this section it's either feast or famine time because everyone, because everyone knows I'm such a big fantasy football guy. Hey, how did you do?

I scored huge points and you lost? No? I won? Okay, I regret to tell you that in this league, this Buck's Fantasy Challenge League, which is pitting three of US insider pros, so to speak, against nine fans, I actually perpetrated some pro on pro violence this week, and I beat Carmen perpetrated some Did you take the loss? Oh? No, fine, absolutely, I mean there's we're gonna have to play each other at some point. I am in fourth place now, um,

one of the fourth, the fourth high scoring. Wait a minute, you're bragging about all the things you've done and you're only in fourth. Fourth place is a good place to be in right now. Uh? And my team is scoring well, although I have some injury issues that could change that soon. But in any case, so you're to three fans are in the three first spots. So you're telling me you play better in November. I hope so I need to. It's been an up and down season. But I'm five

and three. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Uh, five teams or five and three and then this one fan named Christopher Hatton barely pulled it out last night. He's still eight. No, man, it's crazy. That's hard to do. In a fantasy league. You need you need to be really good, and he is. You're gonna be really lucky. He's the second high scoring team in league by just a couple of points. And you can't. You have to be lucky and you can't have injury because like, if

he'd played me this week, he'd lost. But I play him next week. The brains. I can't wait to see what happens. I know it's everybody's favorite part of this podcast. Scott talks about fantasy football. Well, I like the update because it's it's against the other. Yeah, other coach. I have Aaron Rodgers, so I need him to keep on his hot stream. He's very hot, right uh. And then I have James Conner, so I hope his injury isn't bad.

Mike Evans had a huge day in that league and took U Chucky Heart's team to victory f y I he had a huge day in the NFL. I didn't even notice, it's all he was amazing. I mean, that was that was vintage peaks. That is pure distilled what Mike Evans gives you. I think. I think when you see that, you kind of just want to go into the huddle and say, just throw the ball up and

watch Mike get it. Yeah, and you do that as much as you can until the other team decides, okay, no matter what, we're not allowing that to happen anymore. So they play more cover too. They played. Whenever I got the chance to watch specifically what was happening to Mike, it wasn't just rolling the safety to his car to his side or something. It was two guys were bracketing boxing. So at some point you just can't, Wow, that's where

your other receivers need to step up. Then. So well, we have had we have the best I mean, the numbers show it. We have the best two starting duo of starting receivers in the NFL with him and Godwin. You know, Chris Godwin is still our leading receiver even after Mike got a hundred nine yards in that game. They both have six touchdowns, which is tied for the legally touchdown catches. The production from all other wide receivers

has been very, very limited, very limited. So I know they would like to find some production out of that, obviously, because then you get in that situation and there's been a lot of stop Mike Evans, Chris Godwin goes off, stopped Chris Godwin, Mike Evans goes off. That's kind of happened. But I think we need a little bit more, whether it be from tight ends. Maybe O. J. Howard will come back, somebody on the receiving corps. They find a good way to utilize them, but it hasn't been there yet.

But yeah, Mike Evans. Wow, I mean, I feel like in retrospect, the game plan was established a run because we absolutely were running on every first down. We ran thirty times in the game. That's a lot. And uh it was running the balls. Stops run and throw throw deep to Mike and it worked a lot of the game. It worked. Yeah, he had some of those catches he made though you're you're not really gonna get it if

you don't have Mike Evans. I want to say something about Mike Evans, probably one of the most unselfish players that I've been around. He's got had a phenomenal day, something that he could personally be proud of, and he didn't want anything to do with it. He was so mad that they didn't win. He was, and that was clear in his postgame talk. And UM, stand up guy too, because I don't think he was really interested in talking

to the media after no. And that's and he did it. Yeah, And that's what's really really hard is that is that after a game like that US included, you're in there, you want to talk to the guys, and it's very raw. Lavante did the same thing. That was right after he'd given that speech. And I was standing there watching t J interviewing. He was he was very good, but very emotional.

He was having a tough time, like he just stopped at one point and just kind of like, uh, trying to do right by everybody knowing that t is trying to get his job done. It so uh and that's what you earned that you earned that in the locker room, just like when you talk to players and you know

there's a respect. Fact. And I wouldn't bring this up either except it was already reported upon, but um our pr staff did a really good job of getting a word down to the sideline because after Mike caught the second touchdown pass, it's It's kind of incredible because that touchdown pass A gave us the lead in the game, b pass James Wilder for the second most touchdowns in team history with it was his forty seven touchdown only Mike all Stut has more and see was his fourty one,

four and thirty one reception, which passed James Wilder for the most in team in history, all on one play. That's crazy. We knew that because we're prepared for that up in the press box by way, I mean mostly the communications chef, but also I know these things as well. There it was funny because the PR guys are watching this plan. They're going hold on the ball, Mike, hold onto the ball, you know, because they know it's a

significant one. Mike probably has no clue Mike tossed it to somebody else, but they're keeping an eye on who has who they're calling on the silent going go to the guy in the hat. I don't remeber what they said, that guy in the in the in the blue hat, the kind of blue house got the ball. Make sure you get that ball for Mike because it's a milestone and players save balls on milestone. Well again, only because

this is already reported. Otherwise, I would say it's a locker room thing and it doesn't need to be brought up. But uh, staffer went to give in the ball knowing that's not what was big on his mind right then. But here's the ball, and he didn't want it at the moment. He was very polite to the staffer, but he just it didn't matter to him at the moment. And I'm not just making it up. He was very nice to the staffer. He just didn't I didn't want

to think about an individual achievement right there. And that's how frustrating this situation has become for a lot of the guys, and I have been around and so have you, when that has not always been the case with players moving in and out. I would like to say, for the most part, most players care very very very much. The vast majority of them. They care. They care when they're winning, they care when they're losing. They care probably

even even more when you're losing. Um. Some players say that it hurts more to lose than it feels good to win, which is their motivation. Uh. But yeah, obviously there's gonna be option exceptions, and there's every now and then there's gonna be a team that's an exception. I think we both feel that. The two thousand eleven team UM, which lost like the last ten games, I didn't feel like it was all invested there as the season war on. I have not felt that very often in twenty eight

seasons here. Yeah, I'm kind of have to pretty rare in that I think I've I think I've experienced it twice. I don't remember another one. The only other one I experience was would have been ninety five. The last time whitch here was that when we started out five and two, and I remember how that season unfolded. I know was the last season for Sam White. I don't remember the feel, but you do clearly. I turned around quickly after that, though, because Tony Dungee came in and it did change the

whole atmosphere. Alright, questions, questions, Alright, let me put on my reading lessons, which I okay, this one didn't actually come and I gotta be asking to you the mail and the inbox was very light, so I stole this question. It was actually sent inn I think to be used in my written mail bag. So this person may not even listen to the salty dogs. Well maybe they should person named p P. That's the first nation from Miller, who ends at saying an angry Buck fan that's just

that's depressed. And there's a little there's four little emojis here, so I there's a lot of emotions going on, because the first one is a little crying to here, so I guess he's sad. The second one is I seem to be rolling around and his mouth is wide open like he's in utter shock. And then the next one in the face is all screwed up in the mouth is a wavy line, and I think that's like it kind of looks like a guy who's having trouble um evacuating,

if you know what I mean. And then the fourth one is is obviously the very very un unhappy face. All of these emotions swirling around for P Miller. He says, I hear a lot of excuses, and I'm gonna get through a lot of this. We'll probably stop a few times because some of this triggers me a little bit. I he are a lot of excuses too to even be thought about for a playoffs about the Bucks need to win ten games? Are they able to do that? About to face the Seahawks defense that stingy at best

seven question marks. Question marks. Uh, that's a theme throughout this question, so let's stop there. First of all, can we understand that there's a difference between excuses and explanations. Who's making the excuses here? All right? If you explain that in this last game, Jameis Winston's two interceptions were the fault of the receivers, that's not an excuse. Still still still happen. Yeah, But but widow happened is most people want to say, oh, you're just protecting the quarterback.

That's you know, what's he throwing for? If they come with people doubting the quarterback, but don't act like that. The team is making excuses. That's the last thing that they're doing. Do Do you just want them to not explain anything, Well, it's an explanation, but they're not accepting the explanation because they, yes, they want to just blame someone. Coaches and players aren't in the excuse game. You don't guys playing with injuries and never tell anybody when they

could be easy. You don't last very long if you're using excuses. So whatever you know, you can be as frustrated as you want, but don't act like that. That all the bucks ever do, all the players and coaches ever do is make excuses for bad things. They're explaining what happened, and most of the times they're frustrated by it. Right, Yeah, I know where he's coming from, though he's coming You explained in very nice detail, including something I didn't know yet,

why that fumbled snap happened. And somebody out there might say, oh, they're making an excuse for Jamis when it's an explanation why that particular one wasn't his fault. Well, that particular one, Yeah, if you stopped just for a second, he you go, jeez, how could the ball get snapped? And so you're thinking Jamis isn't even ready for the he's not ready. Well, he's not ready because he's still calling out what he wants done, or he's looking to see and he's what's

the coverage look like the pre snap? Look at what the coverage? Anyway? I got a little now, But that's fine, that's that's good. Not to mention. Yes we can, I'll be there. Yeah, you'd be the bad dog, I'll be the good dog. Right, Okay, he says we he seems to think we can't do anything against the stingy Seahawks defense. He first of all, you're you're remembering the Seahawks from a few years ago. Yeah, muscles players aren't there anymore. There twenty seven in the league against the past, so

it's not that stingy. And oh, by the way, they were up twenty four to nothing against the Atlanta Falcons against Matt shab and Matt Schaub came back and almost wanted. In fact, they needed to recover an onside kick in order to seal the game. So I would say defence is not as good, but it's defense is pretty strong. It's still a good defense. But I think that that this fan is thinking of them le boom boom um,

which that's not what they are anymore. I'd be like saying the Buck's great strength is their defense because you remember from thousand five. Uh, but they are a very good team, and Russell Wilson is phenomenal. He's he'd probably be my m VP choice right now. Um, maybe McCaffrey, but in any case, um yeah, but we just you know who you know who had scored more than twenty points on Tennessee before we went there, nobody, nobody, seventeen

points is what they gave up. No, yeah, that's the average was sixteen, but that nobody had No individual team has scored more than twenty, and we did. So if we can go and score more than anybody has in Tennessee, we can score in Seattle. Okay. Can Winston stopped throwing interceptions? Well that's the that's the big question. Yeah, I mean we would like and in this last game, who knows if it was his fault. The coach doesn't think that we have the basics for a good team, but for

for for some reason, they are not playing like they could. Yeah, right, that's exactly what's frustrating everybody else. He's accurate on that, and it's what's so frustrating in here. To the players. We basically have a good defense except for the secondary, which by the numbers is true. I think there's some promise therey, But again, I'm not gonna try to sell you something you don't want to buy. Is it true you're not making excuses? I'm not. Is it true JPP

is thinking about and wants to be traded? Six six question marks? You're watching, You're you're looking at you're looking at the rumor speculation if he goes first of all, this thing about this for a second. Okay, here's a guy that was in an automobile accident that couldn't play that for his neck, for his neck, who rehabbed the play got back as soon as he possibly got He's played one game. At what point did he say I

want to be traded? He at that point in time, no one wants to touch him because they're not sure how he's going to respond to this injury. So he plays one game and that was against Tennessee. Played well, but the question that you have to wonder is he played well? But it's like anything else, you don't know how he feels as it goes on. So I don't. I don't see that as I didn't hear if I if that's a failure of me as a team. Reporters out there, but I personally haven't seen that. It would

surprise me if that were true. But also I don't think would do it, so it's wrong. Well, I don't. I don't think teams would take a chance like that right now, because you stick question, Wait a minute, we've got till two. Yeah, we're we're recording this on Tuesday. Um, and and this is deadline day and it's right now, it's a little after two. So um, unless something's going on while we're down here in our lavish studio. Well,

something did go on, but not with us. Rams traded And the only reason why I'm gonna bring it up is Rams traded to Keep to Leap. There were rumors about that. And guess where he went, New England? Nope, Miami? What? Yeah, I thought he I thought he could block trades. I guess I guess he did block one, but agreed to go to Miami. Yeah, wait a minute, Miami traded four or keep to Leab. Yes, what did they trade? Hold on? Let me find it again? This just this seems like

are you sure you not can trolled here? I would if you'd let me keep guessing. I think Miami would have been the last team I would. Well, Bucks probably would have been last. They trade it. Uh, let's see, um, Rams sent a keep to leave for a fifth round pick to the Dolphins. Who and they traded a keep to lead and a fifth round to the Dolphins for a future pick. The future pick is uh, let's see, without knowing what the future pick is the Dolphins are

sending back. Can't really assess that trade, but it seems likely that the future pick is actually worse than the fifth rounder. Well would have to be, you would think, right, yeah, um, it says, uh you know, b Yeah, that is bizarre. Also, whether to un till he actually plays for the Dolphins remains to be seen. He want to flip them already. Now,

this is interesting. And the reason why I bring this up is because we were just talking about he's currently on injured reserve and got traded, so I was talking about JPP. Why would you take that chance? So? Um yeah, which which is kind and I'm gonna have to read more about that. I don't get it. Yeah, that just that just cropped up. But and the only reason why I bring it up during the Salty Dogs is because he played here, yeah, and because we were talking about

trade deadliness. Okay, so back to this question, because we're not done. Uh Okay, a player stops running the entire route. But when Winston stops and looks, don't throw it to where the right wide receiver is supposed to be throwing to him where he's at right? No, wrong, This is this is showing a basic lack of understanding of the game of football, especially in the in the NFL. Because in the NFL, these fantastic defenders don't just give you wide open windows where you can go run over there

and and then decide to throw it there. You're throwing to a spot. It's not college ball, right, And that's and that's why I when when when everyone goes, oh, why you know, why would he throw it there, Well, he's already thrown it exactly if he waits for him to get there. It's sees where he is and throws it to where he presumes he's going to go where

according to what has been said, he was supposed to. Yes, because as you said with the cover two, he should have gone inside and you hope to catch that post like in front and between those two guys, right, Um that that that's just ridiculous. The quarterback the NFL plays don't work like this. Quarterback drops back, sees where the receiver is, and decides then to throw the ball in that spot. That's not how it works. That you would

never complete anything in the NFL. No, and and a lot of former players who are doing media and whatnot, they all that was the one play that everyone agreed upon where that was not Jamis's fault. Sunday was a game we should have won, again we didn't. Okay, fine, what's wrong with no, we're not denying that. What's wrong with the fourth and one or fourth and two? Go

for it? While we did go for it and on fourth and one, And we've described the reasoning the coaches had for not going on the other one, so I think we've already covered that. And he keeps saying right with like six question marks ater each one, like this is some obvious point that we're not understanding, even though half of his points are wrong. We were getting first downs when we had a fourth and one, etcetera. But yesterday kicking and waere you're using a field goal doesn't

cut it. I don't know what that means, especially when the team is done near the goal line right, yes, right, exactly the red zone. The red zone problems have been but the red zone h The two times with kick field goals weren't fourth and fourth and one fourth and goal at the one. They were more like at the four and the five. So that's not accurate either. But anyway, but that's the way this guy feels yes, But I will say this, it's frustration. Sure. Is that an example

of frustration. And I can guarantee you that nothing if he hears us, nothing we said will make him. No, I'm not trying to make him feel better. I'm just you know what he was saying. We were responding without excuses, talking factual. But I totally understand where he's coming from. I can understand the I mean, first of all, he is so frustrated. He took time out to write yes, So I give him props for that. So to me, he's a fan. That that's that's that's an angry capitalist.

But at least you're out there. But he didn't say a former fan. You know. I can't take I can't take this anymore. He's just like, damn it, that's my team and I'm not happy right now. It's gonna be glorious when the sun finally comes out, Jeff, and that that stadium was packed again, come and see we get to talk about well, then you don't have to work.

Is hard because everything falls in your lap. But hey, you know what, this is a bit surprising to me, but we got a fan who purposely tried to help us. He didn't know we were going to do this right after we read a fan from a letter from a very frustrated fan. But this is funny. Read how this goes down? All right? Uh? Dogs, I figure you guys might need some help staying positive this week, so I'm here to help. I like it. I do think that's a pretty praising way to make sure we read your question.

I mean that's pretty good. I'm here to help you help let me. It's be like, hey, I hope you answer my question. Jeff Rayin is a very very handsome and his voice is malefluis. Wow, then I would you know he's got a good chance of getting it in there. I'm gonna have to look that word up. Malefluis. You don't know that word. No, you have a millifluous voice. What does that mean? It's good to listen to. Oh why don't you just say it's a nice voice. I

said it in one word, Okay. I used the word coquetish the other day and nobody knew what I was talking about. Either. You have a very large vocabulary. I can tell you through the years of the large vocabulary really really turns the girls on. I can I can play this game. I can go. I did it for the listeners. They would know I'm pretty good at that, even in rough seasons. I think he means being positive,

which you have to admit has been pretty helpful late. Okay, I guess it's just I guess I just don't let it get me down. It's just sports, So you know, this is another way you can follow your favorite team, and it's harder to do that, and some people aren't wired that way. You're you're right and and you're right. It's just sports and you should enjoy it. And sometimes, as frustrated as it as I get, sometimes I have to tell myself, hey, this is this is still a

pretty Yeah, yeah, it's still definitely I've never felt otherwise. Yeah, I mean, because it is. It is a whole lot more fun when you're winning. There's there's so much more to enjoy. But again, going back to what it said at the beginning of this podcast, it's a weird feeling in the buildings week. There's a lot of confidence, so it'll be we could maybe we'll be happy next year. There's there's no there there is no folding to tense.

I didn't even mean that I wouldn't expect folding of the tense anyway for me, He says, it's just sports for me. I mean, I'm sure it's much more to the players and coaches. Okay, again, he's really showing a lot of good perception. Anyway. I've come to lot of lava softball at you, so i'd say nice things for a while this podcast. Hey, how about that? JPP? Huh, that's the question. How about that? That was a good start,

wasn't it. What do you guys think you can do the rest of the way and we'll really make a difference in our pass rush. Don't say I never did anything nice for you. And he tells himself Mr. Positive his name, he's in Brandon. He didn't I saw in his email address. What is thing? Probably is, but he just says Steve s well, Steve, it is very very positive, and I I think it's a big deal. I mean he didn't start officially, he wasn't out there for the

first play. However, his first play was a sack. It's amazing, which you can't write incredible. You can't write that. Guy hasn't. Guy, He's practiced basically by himself for two weeks, right, no, he last week it was with the team, Well yeah, I know, but I mean the week before they were yeah and so um and so you just show the determination that he has and you even mentioned it in the podcast that people like, how can you come back

from it? And he's that guy. Huh. You know, it's like if you wrote this in a script, his first playback, he gets us. He gets a sack that you know the editor would get to give it back to you. I was like, not coming on, that's too, that's two on the nose. It's it's like as dumb as the movie Rudy, which is dumb. No, it's a green and dumb.

After I tweeted about that he had one play one sack, somebody named Devin tweeted back, can we let and it's his hashtag, it's his address ud W JPP play every down, So like, yeah, if you can get one sack every down, that's that's a pretty efficient player. But okay, here's here's one for you. H shack. Barrett got a sack too, So what does JPP bring in? He brings in fresh legs. Massive got a sack too, So all three got a sack.

So that you know you can't complain about that. People were asking me um in letters in on like the Wednesday Show, how you know who's gonna who's gonna lose snaps? What's the rotation gonna be like? Because you don't really Shack has been such a breakout star and Carl is a good player to who now has three sacks? You don't wanna, you know, you don't want to take those guys off the field a lot, right, But um, here's

here's the thing to factor in there. JPP and Carl are both kind of versatile guys, and there were snaps were all three. There were plenty of snaps for all three of them are on the field together, and they find a way to do that that I can vividly remember one play second half for we had because in in our sub packages it really is usually a four man front. Yeah, I know everybody thinks we're a three four, but it's not really true. It's Will Galston explained here

on this podcast. Um, it's it's basically a four man front. And the four men out there were um In, Tomin, Consue and then those three outside quote unquote outside linebackers. All of them together, I think JPP had slid inside on that one. So basically you're you're wringing your hands that he's gonna take snaps away from Barrett and Nassive, and to some extent he probably does. And I think that's good for everybody involved. If you're not talking, we're

not talking. Those guys are playing about eighty three percent of snaps for the first six games. We're not talking about taking that down to forty. But maybe there as now. But the other thing to consider is that some of JPP snaps he's taking away from guys like Vita Vea or Will Galston. Uh, and everybody just everybody has a little bit fewer and everybody's probably a little bit better and they all feel, yeah, well it's fresh legs. That's what we need to do. All last year just never

never came about you. You love to have that kind of depth. Yes, I mean the front line, the front seven looks pretty darn good right now, very very promising. Uh, I don't know. I mean, most of those guys could be around for the long haul, right And I mean I know in Dominicans on a one year deal, um Shack Barretts on a one year deal. Yeah, But I mean who knows which and how many of them will

try to keep around. But for the moment, the front seven looks pretty promising, right, No, I uh, I was excited that I Jpp is just a really good guy too, so I was really happy for him that he was able to come back like he. I also think he's a guy that gets people fired up in the locker room.

I thought for I thought for a minute when Lavante started talk, because I couldn't see that it was maybe him, because it would be something he would do because it was very forceful and and and and Lavante is not

usually that way. That's a great point, Jeff. That had to be that had the guys had to be looking around going, you know, it's the kind of thing like Tony Dungee said, is like his parents were teachers, right, and they he always said, you know, yeah, people call him quiet, but that's because when you speak up, people listen. And when La David decides to speak up at a very raw and emotional voice, people are freaking gonna listen.

In Dominic and Sue was on Bucks Total Access last night Monday night, and he was talking about Lavante and what he said, and he said he felt that it came from the heart. Well that was pretty clear. And I you know, and did he say what he said? Did he give you the substance? No, he didn't get me into it a whole lot. And and I think it's one of those uh family things. I think so he I want just that's why I asked. I would guess that he didn't really get much into the substance.

But if he did, it'd be good to talk about. I'm not going to bring it up because I'm not part of that. So if some if I see something or hear something the locker room, I'm not saying a word about it. Yeah, you know, unless it's out there. No, I know, he just said it was very heartfelt. It was very you know, he felt it came from the heart, he felt it. It It wasn't this. You know, we've

seen guys. Yeah, we've seen guys do speeches that just you know, you shouldn't do that where it's corn and but I know, yeah, this was And I think from the reaction, I think it's struck a nerve because is maybe that's why this weird unccurrent. Maybe maybe was like yeah, yeah, you know, pumped up by that or well I pumped up the wrong phrase. I think it's like it's frustrated. Yeah, it's frustrated as you are. You're kind of like, you know, if we each just pay, you know, it's quick making

mistakes and we're going to be good. And maybe that's what it takes. Well, that's how teams turned the corner though, you know. I mean if you you know, you go back to to n six, the bucks were what eight, Yeah, and and um, stay the course and all of a sudden started winning and and everybody was like, holy smokes, yeah, but it does work. Let's let's acknowledge that that felt as a fan, that felt a lot better in ninety seven when what happened in ninety six put the foundation

for the turn around at ninety seven. But it wasn't. In ninety six. They they win five straight games at the end of the year, No, not five straight, because they went from one in eight to six and tenths. We won five of our last seven, which was great. Yeah, and included that San Diego game that everybody considers the

turning point. Um, John Lynch had a pick and and they apparently there was the infamous, not the infamous, but famous meeting the whole term between the big three Chin Snap and Brooks and saying and they see and they're like, that's that's got to stop right now. Um, So maybe Lavante's speech someday will be remembered in the same thing.

We'll see, although that was a loss in in this Indeo game, was a win, Uh, that would be That would be nice because any anymore that you can add to the greatness of Lavante's career when it's all sudden done, I'm I'm in favor of it, because when it's all said done, he's going to be um. Assuming that he continues to play here, he's going to be challenging the top ten all time. You know, right now, did you see the Tampa Bay Um Times put out that top

one hundred bucks during the bye week? Don't even get me started. I want to get you started. Do we got do? We got two? Two or three minutes? You want? You didn't like it? No, you didn't, Okay, So let me let me just I know how it started. It was, Um, Derek Brooks. You don't have a problem with that, right Number one? I would have taken Lee roy S. But that's you could call him one A and one B right now, Okay, I don't care which order you put those two in. And then they had Warren step three.

I mean, he isn't a hall of fame. Those are your three hall of fame. And then they had Challenge four. I think I might put Rende four in Lynch five, but I'm not gonna quibble. But I didn't think Rande should be six. No offense to Doug Williams. We all love Doug Williams, right, but he was five. I think Randie Barber had a greater impact on for obviously for a much longer amount of time on this team than

Doug Williams. It felt to me like an attempt not to make the top five all defenders from that great defense summon. So uh okay, So that was my quibble.

What you seem to have something he didn't like. My biggest quible quibble was and and I mean, he's a friend of mine and he's on our broadcast team, but I'm just saying, the man played thirteen years for this franchise and they put him at what seventy weigh seventies some seventies six, something like that, And as soon as I saw that, then, uh, you got all credence gone because I looked at some of the other names that were lower than his and I went, really, so it's

been there three years and you think that made the impact. So I will say I will say that Dave Moore played thirteen years, and Dave was you know, he was a journeyman tight end. You know, he did what he was supposed to do. But if if you look back at um Mike Alstadt and Dave more tandem plays, or you know, Dave did a lot of blocking. I know

he was for some years he was basically a fullback. Yes, stay Moore did whatever the team needed him to, including playing with a what did he have to collapsed long one time? Or yeah, he collapsed as long on the sideline and after the game was over with he was in the hospital for three days as a football player, and he played with a stent his last game against Dallas.

The only thing I would say is I wouldn't I don't think that's an accurate use of the word journeyman, because that that implies a guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick has been on a bunch of different teams and really he had a very brief lesson season stay in Miami, and then he was a buccaneer for the vast majority of his career for form Part in the Middle and Buffalo. Yep, he spent three three two years. And so I don't think he was a journeyman. I think he was a

buccaneer with a couple of little older stops. But but as you talk about, yeah, as that point, but I also I also looked at a lot of the different names, and I could see where someone would be. It was more recognizable names than you know. But the thing about it's hard to do one of those listens. And then the next thing I'm gonna say is, whenever you do a list you do it because you want everybody to talk about it and tell you they should have been

four or five. Though, um, I don't think you're getting an argument there. I don't think you get an argument. Here's here's what I would say. There's a chance. Okay, the reason the reason why look at Brooks, sap Lynch, all those guys. Their friends still keep in contact with them, all of this. But one of the things that makes all of them special is they were all together. They were all together. If you go back and you know

Leroy Selman carried this franchise. He carried the franchise. And that's why I put him them because there was there was nothing there was if anything else Leroy. If Leroy was in the game, you felt like you had a chance to win. And then Doug Williams made the difference from in the seventy nine season when they look off. But yeah, for sure, for sure, and and Williams should be up there, he should be up to question. Right.

But but those are the those are the arguments. That's kind of the old school in me and the new school, because you know, I got to see both. I don't I don't think there's anything wrong with putting Lee right number one in Brooks too. If if I were doing the opposite side of that argument, I would say they both were. They're both Hall of famers. They both were NFL Defensive Player of the Year. Uh and they both were if you stack of the numbers, they have phenomenal numbers.

But in Brooks's favor, he played a lot longer. Yes, and he um he wanted he won a Super Bowl. But yes, but I will say this, how good Lee Roy Selman was because he really only played I think seven seasons he got eight because he was injured on that the one season played nine years, well one year, but one year he didn't play. He was on injured music.

But how he could change in game game in that short period of time and to get into the Hall of Fame with that short span of time in because usually when you see Hall of Fame players, they played for a long time. Right, he played nine years, Jeff eighty four. Eighty five was the year he was on i R because he heard his neck in the Pro Bowl. Right, eighty four is nine seasons. He played nine seasons. He was hurt in the first year and the league only

had nine games. But that's another that's another that's another point in Derek Brooks's favor over his h how many years he had fourteen? I think over his fourteen years he never missed a game. Ever, he never missed a game and it probably should availability is one of the big big abilities question. And don't get me wrong, I mean it's a different era of football. Also, we're just

arguing one A and one base. Uh. And if you want to put warrants AP three, I don't think people argue, especially since he's the other Hall of Famer Um But then to me, I get Doug Williams is importance, but Randie was is probably to me more important to this franchise. And he was instrumental. He wasn't just on the team that won the Super Bowl, he was instrumental to getting

to them to that championship. So, um, the other thing, Okay, look, I know they only want to make before we move on if you have if you were, you got Doug Williams and you've got Randee Barber, and you you know how important each of them was to this franchise. Ronnie Barber might someday, hopefully and he should end up in the Hall of Fame as great as Doug Williams was. Is there any chance he's going to be in the Hall of Fame? I think you should be. But he's not.

He's never even he's not in the like finalists, right, So that's not gonna happen. No, it probably ends up as the veteran that I don't know. The only other thing I want to say about Darren Brooks and Leroy Salmon, I'm not gonna say another word in this podcast. No. The only reason why I'm gonna say is is that not only both of them were great football players, but the things they did for their community is m believable. When you step back and look at both those men,

they're both number one. It's how's that you like that? I got the last word in since you did. Thanks for listening. H