Breaking Down the Comeback Win vs. Rams, Jake Camarda's Performance | Salty Dogs

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Jeff Ryan. I guess we're not as salty we are the Salty Dogs. Well, we're still salty. It's just a little more fun right now. We're salty. We're salty and sweet like trail nicks h That's the way we feel this week. It was a sweet wind. It was there's still things to be salty about. Well, yes, very much so. But at the end of the day, by week seventeen,

we won't remember all that game was one. As long as you have I know your point that it doesn't matter how you won, and there's no such thing as a I mean, nobody cares if it's an ugly win quote unquote ugly win. But I think I will remember how this one ended. Given what Tom Brady did that was pretty remarkable. I mean it's it's his fifty fifth career game. When you come back, which is now the all time record. I was thinking about this. Actually, I

was answering some questions for a guy. You know, you know you're fan, you got going there? Why don't you turn that off? There go those people, those people that are listening to us going what is that weird noise? So this guy from Seattle, I guess something like my counterpart for their for them is asking me to answer questions for some story on their song. Uh. And he was just asking me about, um, you know what that win might have done for the confidence slash morale the team.

And I really think there's something to that. And it's not just that I think you may be the one who said it. It's not just that looking at four and five feels okay and looking at three or six would have felt like a disaster. That was just one game. Yeah, we were at lunch and we were looking at standings and I just said, it just seems and everybody kind

of chuckled at me. But but just but from a um, unless maybe a less concrete standpoint, I do think a game like that can have a positive effect on the team morale, team's confidence, and on how they perform going forward. Uh. Absolutely, I think a couple of the players said, the best part about that was it showed how the team can play, and that yeah, that it's capable of playing that way.

And you know, honestly, we've been spoiled the last few years watching the team march down the field like that, scoring over thirty points a game. So that is like, are they back? I don't know. So a lot of the hallmarks of what we got used to during what we're without question the two most successful consecutive seasons in franchise history. Um, you got used to scoring a ton of points, like you just said, you used to defense being almost impossible to run against. You got used to

defense constantly creating turnovers. You got used to the passing attack always finding a way to make some explosive plays and scoring just a ton of points. And all those hallmarks haven't really been here this season as the Buccaneers have tried to adjust to what is a new team,

right almost it is. Yeah, but but Tom Brady into the game miracle come back to get you the win that looked like you couldn't get That I remember, and that I recognized, and that felt like the last two years, And like you just said, maybe that means some of this other stuff is gonna start working out. Yeah, that's the optimistic quaiting. Well yeah, and and again it's it's does uh does Tom get a little more comfortable with his offensive line because there's been so many changes there.

You know, having a Keen Hicks back in certainly seem to make a difference for Vida most definitely. So there are you know, the team getting healthy has helped. Um. But I but you know, it's like you said, it's the team still not hitting on all you know, eight cylinders or if this is since we're going to Germany, it'll be a twelve cylinder because because they make big, big engines, we'd be um, we'd be getting passed on

the autombnle Uh yeah, most definitely. We actually would be kicked off because if you don't drive fast enough, I think the kid you're off the autom I would love to drive on the Audubon. I would happily drive home. You should do it. I don't have to rent a car or something. Scott let loose to some of that money. But close are we to the Audubon in Munich? Through Munich? Sure it's nearby? Yeah, because uh, Tim Jocky, our director of travel was our team. Services was saying that he

was on the autobon. You have to you have to, you know, think about once in a lifetime experience. I have no specific plans, so we'll see what happens. But anyway, yeah, there's reasons to believe, right that those kind of games that give you reasons to believe, well it it gives you hope. Now, hope is not a strategy, good call, but but it is. It is the feeling that, yes, this team can be this way. Now the question is are they going to be consistently playing like that? And personally,

I like the fact that just a hurry up. To me, it's like they don't have to think, they just play. Yeah. I mean when you when you look at that drive, you know to two things, uh, the fact that they were able to do it without calling a time out because they didn't have it. They didn't have one, but they were able to march down the field to do that.

How they were allowed to go out of bounds each after the third LS first catch was up the middle, but after that to Scotty Miller, a couple of times, I think I was watching a highlight and I heard the Romo call of that middle part of that driving and he said something like that play down the middle where you didn't had to run up in spike put you in position where now you could you could you were close enough that you could succeed on three or

four plays where you were throwing to the outside. And I would imagine it was hard to tell on the replay, but I think probably uh Kay Doton who made the catch, was sort of running around that looked like he was going to break to the sideline because that's what they were expecting, and they were they were covering the boundaries. But then he cut back in and that's because that's not that's what the defense was given away because they

knew the Bucks didn't have a time out. Unfortunately for them, Tom Brady that wasn't got Tom Brady close enough that he could get the rest of the way on on throws to the outside. And you know, if you're a Rams fan, you're sitting here and how are they letting letting get out of bounce? But sometimes the play as

well deserved. World Designer will run and both Scotty Miller's seventeen and seven yard ones that got us down to the seven or fourteen and seven look like they were given a ton of cushions because you can't let them as the packers. No, you can't just let him run past you. That's the worst thing you can do. So you have to give that cushion and guard against head. So Scott, you just runs really hard and then breaks

quickly to the outside. And it's if you're if you're not, if you're trying not to give him the big play. It's also hard to stop that. And then the ball gets delivered on Yeah, and well like he threw the played Uh, the second one took like one point seven seconds from the snap to him releasing and then the ball too, Scotty, So it's like you pick up seven yards down to the seven in in the snap. In

the snap. Yeah, And we were talking a couple of us talking about unfortunately Scotty Miller dropped that ball in the end zone. But but a couple of things. One I don't think you know, Dave. Dave Moore made a good comment during our broadcast that he really didn't need the jump, and then when you jump, it changes your perception or vision of how the ball is coming in. But we're kind of discussing today, Uh, had he made that,

how much time was on? So do they march down kick a field goal and then you go to overtime? Now you can't, you can't go well, let's not do the points now, let's wait. You know, you gotta take the points when you can get them. But what I'm alluding to there is he drops it. But I liked what Tom Brady said after the game, and that was it's okay, if you drop a pass, I'm gonna miss throws. The key is you were open that you understood the play.

I thought that spoke volumes from from just uh, you know, oh, well, he'll never get the ball again because he dropped the ball. I don't think you ever heard quarterbacks say that specifically before. But as soon as he said I was like, well, that's a good point. It is because he knows these guys can catch, and Mikevis dropped the ball, but Tom knows he can catch. But and Tom knows that sometimes he makes a bad throw. I I know it's very hard to criticize Tom Brady, but in this particular instance,

there are some throws that aren't there. Yeah, but this one to Scotty, that drive, I think it was better than Scott he thought it was gonna be because I think he thought he had to jump, and you see him jump and then you see him pull his arms back down and yeah, like you said, it changes. The unnecessary jump usually messes up. That game was agonizing all the way until the defense made that's the final stop the first How Cooper Cup does not get the first down.

I'm still amazed by that. By the way he was running on the site, I think, personally, I think he slid early, which I'm happy he did. Rams fans, I can tell think the same thing. I've seen that on mess boards. I personally don't think he makes it even if to the sticks. If he goes to the outside, continues to the outside. So I think he had to say I have to slide now or I'm gonna go out of bounds, and that's the disaster right there. You go, Okay,

that's the point. But I think there are RAMS fans who would say, well, he could have cut it back in and maybe that works, but either way it keeps the play going. But I think these guys go into that plane no one, Okay, if I'm not gonna make it, I have to slide impacts and I understand why he did it. It's funny. Are Ceo stopped into the broadcast booth as that was going on. Brian Ford and um, he looked at me and I said, we're gonna get

the ball back. Around fifty seconds, he goes, really, I go, yeah, I said, I think we'll be okay. I don't know why I said, other than other than Brian is so positive all the time. I figured I had to throw that out there. But I think we'll be I think we'll be okay. It shouldn't be a problem, but you know it was in some ways. If you're going to be in that situation, you were looking at it and I don't know, after the first throw, I went, oh, my gosh, this is actually going to happen. And I

think it just changed. We won't know until later on this season, but that could be the point where you just go, wow, that was the turning point. But you know where we are. We're We're in November, and you know my theory about November. It's time. I feel like you say that about whatever month we're happening to be going. No, no, what we always wait, we we we we need to go. We only got what eight games left. So by terms of yeah, by in terms of have you ever seen

one of those next gen stats win probability charts? Yeah, you don't like it just changes all the time. Yes, it changes by whatever happened, Yes, I understand. So you know you can picture with the downline the middle and the ramsle and top of the Bucks on the bottom on the line going up and down. So according to and put as much stock in and you. I've heard other people that say they don't like win probability charts either, but a lot of people refer to them. So just

let me talk about it for sure. Absolutely here let me pause. Go ahead at the at the uh after fourth down play and the pen ultimate Bucks drive failed in the end zone, we had we were given a five percent chance of winning that game. There was one fifty two left five percent chance after stopping. The defense made the stop it had to make because if they got a first down, they were easily running out the clock.

It went up to and the balls at the forty with forty four seconds left, it was at ten Okay, ten percent, that's better than nothing, right the and then of course, as you would imagine, it went up, continue to go up and up, and up, although it went down briefly on the four yard Leonard for Nette catch um, but the biggest play that made the biggest jump in

the Bucks chances of winning that game. It was actually not an official play because it was the past interference penalty on Darien Kind and that which was a good which was as Tom said afterwards, Mike probably catches that ball if he the guy doesn't interfere with correct. He was a well thrown ball. It um, So that made a first and goal to one. And I love the play that they ran. Love the play. I don't know,

you've probably heard this already too. Some fans may have already heard this, But Tom Brady made that call or suggested the play. What why did you rulling your eyes? No, I'm I'm listening. Why did you rulling your eyes of me? Saying Tom Brady made that well because because it seems like when the plays are good, I'm not trying to make a value. No, no, no, no, no, I know, but I'm just continue. Tom Brady thought of a play

he really liked. Started over towards the sideline signal to Byron left, which what he wanted to run, and Byron left, which was all on board. So this isn't a Tom Brady Inspyron Left, which things you can stop rolling your eyes. What I what I liked about it was that I've seen that play so many times during practice, so over the course of three years and many practices. Those guys both have input into the offense. You know, Tom, I'm not one of these people who thinks Tom Brady runs everything.

But he's our GM and our head coach and our play caller Byron Left, which calls the plays um. But of course a quarterback of that experience. If he says I like this play in this situation, and you're the senior, like, yeah, that sounds good. Yeah, why not let him run it? Why wouldn't you? Yeah? So well, I mean, butter and might have had some else in mind, and then he he might have might not have. Do you think they could have? They couldn't run. That's that was I was thinking,

I please don't run. They couldn't because I believe it was thirteen seconds and you can't. You can't run, get up and spike the ball. There's no way you can guarantee that you will get that ball set that you know the official is gonna have to come in there and set it. It's may be huge bodies everywhere. At thirteen seconds, it gives you what two plays, maybe three because that touched on play took four seconds, so I think you could get three in because you only have

to have one second to play the third play. So if the two first two combined for twelve, it doesn't matter how long the last one, as long as you got one second. I love the play you got. Yeah, Mike evns. Mike Evans isolated at the top, but from where I was, it was the top on the left side of the line. I believe Jalen Ramsey was in one on one coverage, which I not shocked that would do.

Because when the when the books isolate Mike Evans on the goal line, they've run a lot of fades and things like quick quick things that Mike's rat so you have to worry about that. Here on the other end of the line, you got k Dotton outside the right tackle and back off the line, You've got Scottie No Chris Godwin next to him but on the line, and then Scotti next to him off the line. So it's one of those little v looking trips bunch formations. But condensed.

At the snap, Cade engages with Leonard Floyd so block just long enough and then actually spends to seventy so he doesn't he doesn't turn to his right. He spins around two seventy, which is when we would run um when we coached our flag football teams. When we would run plays and involved pivots, we always wanted the receivers to pivot towards the quarterback's face, so that way you guys hook up right away and you were looking at each other the whole way. So he pivots, he pivots

to seventy and and he's and starts running out. Scottie and Chris Godwin both ran in breaking routes, which engaged quarterbacks Troy Hill and Darren Kendrick for just a second. Yeah, those two sold it. Yeah, But I mean they had to cover him until they until they see Tom turning to his right. They have to cover him. I can't just let him go, so they start to coverm It's just enough so that I think it was. Troy Hill was the closest. He recognized the play quickly and started

towards Kate, but he couldn't get there. He was doing too much of a trailing position. So it was a beautifully executed play. Yeah, and it was a great catch too. I like the way he stuck the ball over the line. Hey, it was very very exciting for Kate. We think we've had him on here. Uh he is. He is coming together very very nicely as a as a rookie tight end. No one can um expect him to be Gronk or

this year. Yeah, that's who had who else has been right, But he seems to be becoming a go to guy with Cam Break being out, he seems to be a guy that there. I don't want to call it trust factor, but if you throw him the ball, it seems like he figures out a way to catch. He's realistically becoming a weapon. I mean fair, He's not going to give you a hundred yards game. But he's not Travis Kelsey

or at least not yet. No, but he's he's he's wide in the scope of what the offense he's playing that if you're gonna play against us, you have to pay attention to And he's playing like eight percent of the snaps every game now, that which means they're satisfied with his blocking. And then Coke keeps for about nineteen and and co Is he lightened it up. He's he's old time fullback. Caught another pass? He gets one game? Uh, it's an Is that an atta boy? Pass? You block? Well,

we're gonna throw you. Watch here's one for you. He had your stats. That's for all your fantasy football players were going to Oh, I don't know if I thought of a player this. Well, you've got plenty of time. Um. Yeah, So kay Dotton finishes with five catches for a team high sixty eight yards. That's good production. Um and I could see it happening multiple times. I'm hoping it does. So that was good. We really we really like Kate. He's a good dude. Like seeing him do well, gets

to play. It's I'm sure he likes going to Germany too. But this would be a homecoming game for him if we were Oh, no, we have been at home. That's right, this is a home game. I was thinking it's back to Seattle, Washington. His grandfather was a well known high school coach. He played for in state. It doesn't matter. I don't know why I'm going down this stangent because it was a home Well, that's okay. You can go

do that. But anyway, that's what's nice. You have this knowledge that I have no idea where it comes from. I will tell you this. That twenty yard catch by Kay Dotton was the buccaneers only big play of the entire game. Big plays generally defined as twenty yards or more on catches and ten yards or more and runs. So we went fifty nine plus minutes without generating a single big place. So if you're looking for reasons to pump the brakes here a little bit, that's one right there.

What are you doing? Your texts have to have to replace this something, So that's why you're just giving me looks like that. Pretend you're listening to and I'll just keep talking. Then you're you, you were, you were just a wealth of him. We were talking about it. Since we're on the tight ends, and the fact that Gronk isn't here, I think one of the things you would

think he can keep come back at this stage. I mean conceivably sure, but I would not expect it because I remember when he came out of retirement in twent twenty and came to training cab and it took some time for him to get in fighting that was kind of a big story. And then even when the season started, it took some time before he started looking like old Gronk.

And if you and if he does come back, then wouldn't you as a defensive coordinator just key on him because no good, that'll draw attention a right, But I wouldn't. He can't be in playing shape at this point. No, I mean no, I don't care how much he works out. If it's the same as during his retire meant then he wouldn't walk in the door ready to play. And we're already in week ten. Yeah, yeah, football shape is different than regular shape. But I mean, I don't know.

Maybe he comes back in a couple of weeks and and by the playoffs he's a force. I don't know, but I'm not expecting it. I don't think you are, you know, but it's great fodder. It's fun to talk about. And I like when he said hish his does he say his girlfriends are missing him or something of that nature, which said that on the Fox pre game. Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny. But I would tell you this, I think we are seeing just a little bit of

how important Rob Gronkowski was to the running game. He really, I mean, he was always a threat to go out, so you couldn't you couldn't just stack the box and assume that the tight end wasn't going anywhere. But he added a lot to that. And that's not anything against Cade or Co, but Gronkowski really was an important part of that running game well. And also it's called experience. You know, those guys are just coming into the league and they're learning a new system and it takes a

little bit of time. Um, but who knows where they're going to end up. I think they're off to a great start as rookies. I couldn't be happier for that. And considering that we were struggling, you know, with Cam Braid getting hurt, um, Rudolph not playing as much as we thought he was going to play. So you know they're answering the bell. Now you're the one on your phone.

I know I was hoping you'd keep talking. I can my wife and I just want to make sure that you know what do you need to take care of that immediately? And I'm going to say, um too, you could be reading commercially at I could, but you know, hey speaking and we're doing very well with that, I'm sure that yeah, yeah, it seems it seems to be spreading. I'm not really sure why. I keep asking do you know why? And I get this blank look like beats

the crapout? I don't know, just charis I guess? So? Uh, Okay, so I didn't. Okay. The next guy we need to talk about is the guy who got the game ball in the locker room, and for very good reason. Okay, let me put it this way. I think it's pretty darn cool to to have witnessed, to be there, to witness the best game ever played for your franchise by

a player at a certain position. So like, for instance, I guess Doug Martin's two that was probably the best game ever for right back right and Jimmy Jiles four touchdowns against Dolphins. I didn't get to see that one, but maybe you did. Um, so you saw that one. Uh. I don't know what's the best game ever by a receiver for us. There's been some new ones. That one's a little tough, but exactly what you're saying, we just

witnessed the greatest game ever by a Buccaneers punter. And I don't even have to say arguably or what could be, it is inarguably the best game ever. Was that yard punt the last the long was that. I don't know if that was his he had he had sixty six, sixty eight and any four, but I don't remember exactly what order. The one that he changed the flipped the

field totally. Well, we got two straight we got two straight penalties on trying to get the punt off and after one pretty good point, Yeah, they're like, back him up and make him do it again. That was a mistake.

So and then we had like a false start when when that punt was done, where are broadcast booth, I can see our coaches and Jackie was up on the upper level and as I turned around, she turned around and we made eye contact and I went wow, and she just did that smile you know what you're speaking of, Jackie Davidson, who was with podcast. Wasn't just last week it was and and uh that that just seemed to

like almost that was the second most important play. It might have been the first important play because it changed everything. It changed the feeling in the stadium, you know, besides field position. I mean, it was just one of those are you kidding me. The Buccaneers. The Matt Gay of the Rams had just kicked a field goal to make a ten to six. Yeah, we get the ball back with nine minutes left in the third quarter. Hadn't done anything on our first drive of the first half, didn't

do anything on this one three and out. Comarta punts a fifty seven yard which is very good, very but our guy Cocife his called for holding happens happens. Um who knows the holding might have kept the punt for being blocked. They look at you. I don't really know,

but sometimes that that sounds good though. Uh so they like back up up ten yard because they could have just taken the ten yards at the end of the the punt return, but they took They've chose him back up ten makeing punt again, which was, as I said, a moment ago, bad decision, big mistake. Wonder wonder if anyone and will learn by that and not do that. It's like, um, remember the movie Pretty Woman? I do when um, oh her name I mean in the movie in the movie, I think her character name is. I

see her face, but what's the actress is name? Famous? I know, very famous? She was, No I almost said, no, it's not Sandra. I know, um pretty Woman. Um every there are people listening to podcast yelling Magnolium Steve Magnolia's yeah yeah, she was in that. That was in her career. Yes, very very much. This is ridiculous that I think I can think of this. Julia Robert Julia, I was starting to look it up, but I remembered it right before.

Good job. So Julia Roberts, she's having that scene where she's shopping and going to all those really expensive boot boutiques. Drive goes into the first one and she, you know, she's dressed kind of in her original shows, and so the saleswoman is looking down on her and she doesn't end up helping her. The rest of the day she does all her shopping. She comes back into that store with a bunch of bags. Obviously, I've spent a ton of money. Do you work on commission? Yes, we do.

Big mistake, big huge, the I say to the rams, backing up giving jacmart another chance. Big mistake, big huge. So yeah, so fact did you're quoting Pretty Woman? Hey man, it's relevant. There are some scenes that just stick with you. Okay, I remember it now that you're say it, but I didn't know where you were. I think of that anytime I say big mistake. So yeah, so it's you make

two penalties in a row. You just had your second three and out in a row, and you're like, they're gonna get the ball back again, and then Comara just blasts it right and then the defense starts throwing three and ounce at him on almost every drive. They did get one more field goal, but I think it was a turning point, and it was well at that point it was one of the highest points in the game, because truly that was a hard game. I mean, you kept thinking when when's it gonna start? When when is

the team going to kick in gear? Um? Even Jean made a comment, do they realize day it was daylight savings that day? Forget the day? Did they turned the clock back too many too many hours? Um? Yeah, it was. It was weird. It was. It was largely a field position game, and when you have a putter of doing what he's doing, you win that field position. And it wasn't like the Rams were lighting it up either, by

the way, well, but their punter was doing great. He finished with nine punts at fifty three gross forty three point n net, which are fantastic numbers, but it didn't hold a candle and um in a field position game. At the end, the Rams had an average drive start of their twenty two and the Bucks average draft start of their thirty one. Speaking of special teams, the blocked field goal, Oh, now, this is a pet peeve of mind.

Well it is mine too, because I believe he did touch and I want to look at the film, but as it was happening, we thought his his foot caught a buck in your player. And that is if you leap up. You can leap over a player during a field goal, but you can't touch him, and you can't use him to help you leap over. And you can only start one yard back, so you can't get a big long lay. You can't. You can basically take one step forward and jump our and you have to time

it perfectly, obviously, and you have to clear. If your foot grazes the back, you're gonna get a penalty if they see it. I have not, I've not seen that whether that had happened or not. Time came to the poet. Time came to the podium on Monday and staid it was a clean play. Okay, Well, then you have to go with that was that was that? Was that the leap or was that the ball? He meant the leap was a clean play, okay, because there are you know, all of a sudden, special teams played a major role

in this game. So this is this is my pet peeve. And I may have mentioned this on this podcast before because I feel very strongly about this, but I hardly ever get anybody to agree with me, So I might be on an island here. They changed that rule I don't remember when, two thousand seven something like that, to make to put in a lot of restrictions, so like you can't run up and jump, and you can't like you said, he can't use them to propel yourself over,

largely because they're worried about injuries of people laying. Remember Simeon Rice got that penalty from leaping. Yeah, and he didn't even touch He touched his own teammates and he didn't get make a running start. Anyway, We complain about that one a lot um. I think that place should be a legal period if you're trying to jump over the guy, but if you land on them, it's going

to be a penalty. You're you're doing an action that has a very good that you know has a very good shot of being a penalty and potentially creating an injury. Just make just outlaw the play. Just say you can't jump over the line. Why would be What would be hard about that? It would? It always feels like a huge cheat to me when a guy does that, So I would. But if you got a guy that has great you know, no if it's a if, it's in

the rules. But in this case, the the center in a in a normal play on offense, the center is snapping the ball, but he's looking up on a long snapper. The long snappers has his head down and is looking through his legs, and we'll never get up in time, and we'll never know that the guy's leaping over him. That's why nobody does it on an offensive play. They're taking advantage of the fact that down. I don't like it.

I mean, they have the rule where you can't line up a blocker right across from the long snapper, so why can't somebody jump over him. I'll bring it up to the commission. Okay, you do that, because he's are you seeing him? Shortly? I'm going to see him in Germany. He's gonna be on Buck's radio. How about actually was joking? No, I am serious, You're serious. I have we've been uh, we're we've been in communication. And yes, he's gonna ask him all the hard questions. He's gonna be live with us.

How about that. It's neat. It is very cool, um so to fin it, to rep put a bow on the commarda discussion. And by the way, I've already written the Jacob Marta a special Teams Player of the Week. And I think he gets if he doesn't win it, it's a crime. And you don't you don't think they give it to the Chargers kicker because he kicked two field goals, one to tie. I want to win the game. Happens all the time. Yeah, and they weren't very long. Yeah,

that happens all the time. All right. I'm just checking to see punted six times. He Among those six points were three of the eight longest points in franchise history. His seventy four yard and we've been talking about was the best ever was tied a Shawn Lindetta punt. I remember, Yeah, he played forever. We were kind of near the end of his career. Very much near the end of his career. His his fifty nine point five gross average ties for the best ever in NFL history if you had at

least six points in the game. His fifty four point to net average is the third best in in a six point game six months or more. Ever, they're both by far buccaneer records. You wrote this story because you feel like he deserves it, and you just ahead of the curb because he's gonna get it. You're gonna have to write it at some point you believe he's getting it. And then I mean, I don't have any inside information, but you just the way you follow stats and things

of that nature. You're like, oh, this game was too important. What special teams player this week could have possibly and it's by It's only NFC, so we don't have to have to worry about the Chargers. Well there you go, Okay, fair enough. Probably yelling at podcast about that right now too. Well, if you're yelling, let me explain something about programming. If you can make the listener respond to what you're saying and doing, then you're you are engaging them. Could just

what you want? Couldn't I do that? Then? By consistently saying false things so that they're yelling like, you know, like I don't know, there's a network that is making millions and billions of dollars being that kind of the hot take kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, don't don't let facts of a get in the way of a good story. Crying out loud you okay, Yeah, I just needed something to drink. Okay. Uh So anyway, so you you're here on this Tuesday. They announced it

what on Wednesday, so they they'll decide tonight. So we just you know, they announced around eight thirty, so we like to be ready. Yeah, we're always ready. It's not a hard story to write. It kind of wrote itself, didn't It was fun? Okay. I just can't imagine there's another single special teams player in the NFC this week who next Tuesday. If it doesn't happen, you are going to be very salty on I would say something like

I'll eat my socks if he doesn't. But um, I don't trust the NFL that much to get this right. How is it? But how is it? How could any how anybody in their right mind with a with a computer, with with with the facts of having gen stats around you. How could you not make this happen? That's my question. Well, I mean I've written everything I can. That was my sidebar after the story was on how often do you is your main sidebar after a game on the punter?

But it was his. He was how many players do you have to get down to for him to not be in this group? Okay? Would you say he was one of the five most important players to that victory? Yes? Maybe, also Tom Vida, Vea Cade, Maybe yeah, because Cade had a couple of good catch he had to one over the middle and that dry he had two big catches. Maybe one of our offensive lignement because of the protection was pretty good. Okay, Okay. Was he one of the

top four? I'd say top three you would put yeah, because I honestly believe if he doesn't kick that seventy four yard or and flipped the field as far back as he did, he could have been an easy three points as far back as we were, you know what I mean, I mean they could they would get in field gold range very quickly. So and he just didn't

have any clonkers. He didn't have any shrinks, so he and and honestly, he could have had, uh about let's see three and a half more yards added to his net, because I'm sure there are plenty of people out there were convinced that last point that hit quote unquote hit the goal line didn't really hit the goal line. Dad. It's so bizarre about that is the official came over and told allegedly the story I heard, and correct me

if I'm wrong. The official came over and told Todd that they've already looked at it and it's not going to change. And so you know, don't don't challenge. Basically, you're gonna waste your time out, and they eventually needed that time out. But if they're already telling you that, then that's a challenge, right, I mean, they pre challenged

for you, which I don't understand. Well, I don't know if that's the exactly right way to represent that, because what Todd said the podium was they told him they couldn't tell, and I thought by that they meant the refs on the field. Okay, so they're like, we can't tell, and then Todd himself is getting information from upstairs and they said they can't. No, Wells had a pretty good shot at it, and I think it would be it

was gonna stand either way. Well, yeah, because I don't think it was enough to make you say, yeah, right, it's supposed to be conclusive. But I think there's at least a fifty percent chance that they did not hit the line because when they when they slow it down and stop it right at the point of contact, I can't tell. Yeah, I'm biased. I think I don't think that's touching the white. But all has to do is touch the very very edge of the white. He doesn't

have to cross it. But my god, that's amazing. He's booming all these he's booming all these sixty eight yard ars and then when he's only what what, I'm trying to figure how far away? Oh when it he how far the punt was before before they took the yardage away? You know how far away were we when we were putting them? All is? You have to Yeah, you have to look at it. I mean it's hard to remember. Okay, So it was it was early in the fourth quarter.

It was a sixty six or a point. See, that's pretty strong punt punding at sixty six yards to the very edge of the goal line and then having it bounce sideways. Yeah, that's incredible. And so he basically missed by a centimeter. Another one of the most incredible punch you'll ever see, right, Ye. So anyway, I guess that's enough on the punter. But but but you know what usually you only talk about the punter is when they shank one, you know, or they make a mistake or

they didn't make the tackle. He also had two tackles. Yeah, wow, there's that. That was great. During the press conference win so he was like, do you because he's got four tackles now and he he kicks off two so we can get tackles on kickof He's like the acts Todd, are you comfortable with with your putter making that many tackles? And he said, no, I am not. So he's not a big guy. I mean, he's not that small for a putterer. No, but I'm just saying it's not you know.

You know what it was like, how about this comparison was it was like watching Steph Curry when he gets into one of those zones and he can just he's he hits from the three point line, then he hits from five ft behind the three point line. And then he's pulling up five yards over the over half court and he's just he's draining everything. Here's Jake. He's he's putting a sixty six yard then he's putting a sixty

eight yard, and he's putting a seventy four yarder. He was didn't matter how far away you put him, he was. He was making it happen. So I just made a Jake camarda Steph Curry reference reference that will probably never happen again. If you want to know a little bit more about about Jake and and um Ryan suck Up. They were on Bucks Total Access and very interesting listening to them talk and talk about different grasses. It sounds weird, but different grasses, Yeah, on fields, like how it affects

how they kick, how they get their footing. So I mean it's really kind of you know, you go, well, I mean, we got lucky because we got them. Both of them had great games. They're very valuable to this game. So, um, it was an interesting listen to if you want to get a little a little dive into. It's not something that you always hear about, but it would be. It's it's a good stuff. I was thinking that after the game that maybe it would be a good idea to

ask Jake to come on here. But then I thought, he's probably this is probably week he's gonna be asked to do a lot of stuff. And then you and I thought about it. And with the short week, with the things condensed a little bit because of the travel community. Yeah, yesterday, they had a long day yesterday, and then they're off today Wednesday. We would normally get them on Wednesday, run lunchtime. But Wednesday isn't crazy. Wednesdays are crazy, but especially this week, right,

Wednesday is gonna be crazy. Thursday is gonna be you and crazier. Well, it will be crazy to get on the plane and you do. You're like, oh great, now I got ten hours keep forgetting when I'm at home to load up entertainment unlike a tablet or something. Well, there is entertainment on, I know, but you never know

what you're gonna get. Well, I'm kind of hoping that the Elvis movies on there and Top Guns on there because I could watch You have not seen the new Well, the last the last the last game away game went to I was but it was only like an It was an hour flight and I'm not going to watch a movie and then go. Someone goes, We'll just watching and then continue it. No that I don't want to do that, I know, but I want to watch the

whole things I did that. I think the Pittsburgh Trip with the with the old Tom Cruise movie the Firm, that's a good movie. It was good, and I wanted to see how how well it held up. It's weird to see a movie where Wilford Brimley is the bad guy. I like it. But yeah, that that movie was pretty good. Featured, of course, a lot of Tom running like Tom runs and movies, and a very young Tom Brady. But that New Top Gun. Not only do I think it's fantastic.

Way exceeded my expectations, but every single person I've talked about it has felt the same way. I have not heard one negative word about that movie. Yeah I heard. I made a comment about watching it on the plane and someone said, you gotta see it on the big screen. And I get that, you know, let me be the judge. Now that I've already seen it on the big screen, I can maybe watch it again on some there you go, maybe that, But anyway, I would go ahead and watch it,

well you to find mindless stuff. But as back to the short week, it it's it's going to be you know, well not only it's a short week, but it's not a short week because Thursday is practiced like normal and then um, we leave late in the afternoon and then on Friday after we land in Munich a few hours later than there is practice. So as you think, oh, they're not practicing for this, they are. It's pretty much staying the same. Uh, Friday schedule will be the same

as if we were here. And then on Saturday they're having the walkthrough as if they always do before a game, they have a walkthrough and and this time it will be at the stadium so they get a feel for the stadium itself, the grass, the locker room. Uh. You know, it sounds weird, but it is nice to be able to go someplace before game day and look around and get familiarized with it. It does make a difference and so you're not just kind of lost. So that'll that'll be. Uh,

it's gonna be a very fast short week, how's that. Yeah, So there's challenges, so we thought let's not add another challenge to a player to a player's schedule, and then and then next week. It's by week. Unfortunately, it's not too hard to find a lot to talk about it. Game. Oh man, there are people and I've already looked at the questions. We got three of like three of them came in today. It was pretty light and I'm like, oh, hey, here, now we go. Uh. There are several references to ugly wins,

which we talked about earlier. Um, we're we're broken records about on this subject. I've seen so many pretty losses. I don't care to see anymore. The NFL was all about ugly wins this week, right, It wasn't just US Minnesota. Yeah, Minnesota barely held on UM and then Kirk Cousins started doing his day. He started he pulled out the freaking you like that thing again? Yeah, that's the that's okay, Kansas City. Do you think they care that that was not an ugly win? Yeah? They had to have some

Patrick mahomes running. They had a lot of let's how you're salty about this. Let's just say luck was on their side. There are a couple of things that that I just don't you know, if there's a rule that you can't take your helmet off when you're on the field, then you should call that at all times. And there was in our game a player took their helmet off.

He took his helmet off after the big stop. Um. And that was the same crew that called taking your helmet off against the Carolina Panther wide receiver after the touchdown, which they end up missing the extra point and then losing the game. And then you know, a star tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs flings his helmet and there's no flag. Um. You were also pretty salty about all the chances they had the four four count them more.

If you keep holding, they're gonna keep getting new play. Dude, this famous tight end had his hands on the defender's helmet like this, and they called it on the defender you're mad at I'm just saying it just seemed different, Chargers. I don't listen. I don't care who won the game. I just like to see you know, like, hey, come on, you know you want to You don't want to see somebody a team unfairly gets. I mean, I mean, listen, it's human to air and it's never gonna be perfect.

And I and I you know how they make calls as fast as they do, and that's very different. Of the time they're right, and it's really easy to watch it in slow mo, but sometimes there is I mean, and I guess you can miss it because you can't see it because someone's blocking your vision. I mean, you're on the field and what's going on. I think if you're the guy that was that was making the call on on the point at the goalie we were just talking about, he's looking down that line that ball hits

from replay imperceptibly did touch the line or not. He's got to make a decision right, and he probably got it right. But either way, I wouldn't blame him for getting it wrong because he's gonna make a split second or another. I don't think. I don't think I would ever want that job, because no matter how good you are,

there's always someone yelling at you. So I think that you could've and I've done some humping for softball and youth youth baseball, I think you can legitimately have a game where you get almost everything right as an umpire. I don't know how that can happen in football. No, I just much going on with the speed and the violence and and so many players. Most baseball transactions plays are basically between one or two players. I mean, you don't have to know what the left fielder is doing

when you're calling a strike. So um, yeah, I don't know. I don't know why I went down and refin in the in the in the NBA would be even worse because everything I can't watch that, I know. I'm not a fan of that. The only time I watch NBA is whin it's the playoffs and it's the Warriors. Oh wow, you have a favorite team. No, I just like watching stuff. Okay, you have a favorite players, different than a favorite team.

I digressed on that, but yeah, you're right, there's there's a lot of I don't know, it's just really weird when you when I mean, look at the Green Bay Packers, uh and the Lions game? Well, how crazy was that game? I mean you're thinking, you know, this isn't gonna hold up, and the Lions held on, you know, and they made big plays. Two interceptions in the end zone. It's a third in the red zone. Yeah, that's actually the point I was working towards before I got sidelines. No, No,

I did it to myself. I was talking about the teams that got ugly wins. Okay, Tampa Bay did by by the definition of by what people want to call the ugly ways A Minnesota did, Kansas City did, Chargers did the Chargers game? Did you see how Let's get back? The Green Bay Packers notably did not get the ugly win. I think most people watching the game figure they'd eventually come back and just you know, eke one out over the lines because the lines have been pretty bad and

the Packers have generally owned the Lions. Right, Oh, they have no question. But it didn't happen. So hey, I'm much happier to be a Bucks employee than a Packer's employee right now. And I'll take I'll take eight more ugly wins before the season's over. If that's how they're going to happen. I'll take an ugly win in the Super Bowl. I don't care about ugly wins. And and

this ugly win was actually really thrilling. It was you know, Yeah, as as frustrating as that game was, talk about a high, when it was over, it was like it washed away all the frustration. It was. It was like and then you can look back and go, well, hey, our defense was actually pretty darn good. You know that when that Cooper Cup sixty nine, I think whatever you touchdown happened as a busted play for sure, there was I just the level of that happened. Are you kidding me? That

can't happen. I didn't hear that one in particular. But and I'm not even necessarily talking about the pressfects. I'm sure there were people in the in the stands or watching the TV who are livid about that, But listen, look at the whole that was. That was basically there one great play of the whole game. I think Cooper Cup had one other like that, one great play just about beat you. That was the only touchdown that the

defense allowed. They allowed two yards and nine first downs, and Cooper Cup had like more than of their yardage. Cooper Cup has been demolishing everybody for the last two years, and I mean look at his status from this year. Everything else about the Rams offense has gone wrong, but somehow he still put up the same numbers as he did last year. Theoretically, if you can keep Cooper Cup from having like two yards and three touchdowns and just

make sure nobody else on that offense hurts you. You've got a great chance of winning, so let's not flip out every one touchdown. Yeah, but I felt bad. I think I think the reason why people would flip out over that is because it's Cooper Cup and he's running down busted play. That's and that's what Todd said. It was totally a bust. Nobody went, now, listen, we don't need a cover Cooper on this one. Yeah, that happens,

and he's a great player, he makes things happen. But yards, nine touchdown, nine first downs, one touchdown, that was their only touchdown. I mean, if you told me before the game, Cooper Couple is gonna score, but that would be their only touchdown, you'd take it. Yeah. No, there's no question. I think. I think losing five out of six games, the frustration factor was so high that no matter what happened in that game, people were getting were cranky, they

were salty as a matter of fact. And then that particular play, it's like, are you kidding me? I mean, if you if you don't do anything else, just keep an eye on Cooper Cup. And but it was one touchdown. You ended up winning the game. So it's all good. But I think I really believe winning that game. It's just everything feels different. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm hope i'm not, but it just feels different. Since you one, This is

the point I was trying to make. You can look back and see all the positives, and I'm basically saying the defense look great. Um, right, Yeah, the the run defense was good, although the Rams have a terrible rushing attack. Um. You would be feeling a little silly singing the praises of your puncher after a loss, right, But now you can look back and say, how well the special teams did. Suck. I've had that one black, but that's obviously not his fault.

He made another fifty, made two others which obviously made the difference in the final score. Jalen Darten, he's getting you ten yards every time now and he had eight eight punt returns for eight two yards, also very important in the field position game we were talking about. Um, he's like seventh in the league in punt return average,

which is sneakily surprised. That's so you can look back at it, and then you can look back and go, Okay, the offense wasn't wasn't great, and we couldn't generate any big but it was there when we needed it, and Scotty Miller and Kay Dott and gave Tom some other options when there they're gonna, we're not gonna let Mike Evans and Chris beat us at the at the sidelines and they're they're bracketing those guys and Scotty Miller and

kid don't were able to step up. I was surprised, uh that Tom had a couple of balls batted down like that. It doesn't happen very much with him, and that's what that's a passing lane or they just knew where to go, but you know, you can't. You know, the Rams defense was pretty good. You know there's a guy in there, you know nine, he's pretty strong. So

Ramsey is great. Huh, Bobby Wagner, he's doing well. So I'm sure the Rams flying back to U. L A. We're thinking, how they let one get wet would have done the same thing. We have. We have to close them out. We have to close them out, have to play full and they kind of said that. Well, Ramsey kind of threw his offense underneath the bus after in the in the locker room, which is which is so that But but again that's frustration because they're not winning either.

What are they three and six now or six and five, three and five, three and five? So you give up the Cooper Cup TV. But that was the only play in the entire first half that was longer than five yards. But it just seem like it was. It was bad. It's bad. But think about they ran I don't know, let's see a number of first half plays. There weren't that many plays. I mean, defensively ran twenty seven first half plays and game five yards or fewer. That's pretty good.

I'll take that. Well, they didn't really have that many offensive plays to begin with. They think they only but they only that's on the low side, isn't it. Yeah, it is a little low, um, but that's what happens when you do eight three and ounce. Uh. They only average. The best number here is they only average three point seven yards per play. That's that's quite low. That's very good. So so it's a nice building block for the for

the Bay Buccaneer. You saw I don't even know. I I saw this in the stat sheet and I know Gerard Avery got a sack when he was chasing Matthew towards the end of that game, and Matthew it kind of slid down Stafford. I don't know why I'm calling him Matthew. We're not buddings, hey, Maddie. Um yeah yeah. But he also had three quarterback hits. I didn't even see that happen. That was but that was that was good. Because you're without check Barrett, Anthony Elson has to step

up in Jennard's now the fourth man. I like what Todd had to say about Nacho, that that Nacho has missed more sacks than sacks that he got. He said this on his radio show, and that he did get the sack, and Nacho is not letting Todd forget that. He got to say, well, I can understand why they people both be talking about it because Nacho has been here since two thousand and eighteen. Wow, that was his first sack as a buccaneer. Well, like he said, he

missed more sackings. I mean, that's that's obviously not generally his role. He's the reserve, no stackle, he's plugging up the middle and stopping the run. But every now and then, you know you always expect to sack. That's the first one, and he gets it. I was happy for him. You know, Vita Vea played like everyone was wondering what happened to him and what's going on? And uh, he certainly was very And now he's up to what seven and a half sacks something like that. He had what two and

two sacks? He had two sacks and three QB hits. So certainly with a Cheam Hicks coming in now you have to pay attention. You can't necessarily double team. He's got six have sacks with eight games to go. Wow, I mean he went to the Pro Bowl last year. Yeah, if he gets anywhere near double digits, he's a lot to go. I'll tell you who else had a pretty decent game, I'm sure, because he sure got beat up a week ago. But Devin White had a pretty decent game.

Good played much better, much better. He seemed to be doing what he was supposed to do. So hopefully that is ability. I think he got started earlier. They ran like one of those jet sweeps to Cooper Cup and this is early early in the game, and he came around the back and made the tackle from behind. Uh, from all the way across the field and it was only like a two yard game. We did a very good job on their jet sweeps and their attempts to get Cup and a couple of other guys around the perimeter.

So we we gave up the one bust a Cup, but we didn't give up those plays around the edge, and and ty Bo said that was a very important thing, and that leads me to the next thing. Carlton Davis was back, Sean Murphy Bunting was back. He hadn't been starting, but in this last few games he would have been playing a lot with Antoine Winfield out, so he steps

back into the slot. And I don't know how all those guys him, those two and Jamal Dean graded out, but the numbers overall tell me they did a good job. And Todd said that Carlton and Sean and Jamal were very good on the prairies on those jet suite So that's a good thing. We're getting some guys back. I'm crossing my fingers at Anton Winfield will be back, because

you know, I'm his biggest thing. Well yeah, and concussion protocol, that's that's never You just don't know when, but it's been a couple of weeks now, So I'm you know, I'm hoping he feels better. It's my point. Yeah, I'm not hoping. No, Well, the thing is is that he has been feeling better, but it's just a question of

are you ready to take another hit? Yeah, well you can't know that till you just there's like five steps in the protocol, and you know it would be a great He did start practicing on a limited fashion at the end of last week, although they knew he wasn't gonna play. If tomorrow he's practicing fully, then you're thinking, Okay, hopefully that means he's close to the and he'll be ready by Sunday. That's what I'm hoping. Not I'm not here hoping that he would play even though he wasn't ready,

because obviously I don't want that. I want him to be healthy, and then that will also be a great boon to the defense. Right, Okay, we're probably about done here before The question is, but a couple of things from around the NFL. How about the how about the Indianapolis Colts. I don't even know what to say on that. I don't even know what to say. I it's I think what. Well, a couple of things. One, you hold a press conference during a Monday night football game, so

that might have been the really strategic move. Um. The fact that Jeff Saturday was an ESPN quit cracking your knuckles, uh ambience was a an analyst for ESPN. Also, he was on the NFL network quite a bit too. That he was a paid consultant for the Colts, which a conflict of interest. Okay, that's not where I thought we were going out, But I'm just saying that's that that that that was like a flag to me, like, okay, what are you doing? But that being said, he has

no coaching experience, you know, high school. Oh yeah, no professional or college experience as a coach. Um, there's only one other coach that that in NFL history has done that. Yeah, I heard this note, but I don't remember the name. Yeah, I think it was the Dutchman. I mean, I would think was his nickname, the Flying Dutchman. Um. I think that everybody out there probably knows we're talking about. Just

in case they don't. The Cults fired Frank Reich, which was the first surprise, because I think I'm of the opinion and I think the majority of NFL Observer's opinion. He's he was a pretty good he was pretty good coach overall. It was pretty good coach. Never anything about internal strife there. The problem that they the problem that they had there was they kept changing quarterbacks. And that's the question of who made the decision on Well, Frank Reich would admit that it was him who pushed for

Carson Wentz. Well, yeah, because he had success with him and then he left. He he apologized to Jim Mercy after that was all over before pushing for Carson Wins because it didn't work out. Norm Van Brocklyn Nor Brocklyn. No, he's oh, he played in the league. He played in the league. So no, No, I'm just saying that. That's how I know the name. Yes, he it's a pretty prominent He's what I'm saying. We're talking about a Hall of fame. So that doesn't mean he was a good coach.

I'm just saying, I'm he coached for the Vikings and the Falcons. So they fire two weeks ago, they fire, well, okay, I don't know, let's get these in order. I don't know how many weeks ago, but let's say like three weeks ago. They bench Matt Ryan and starts starting former six rounders Sam Elinger, who nobody thinks is a particularly good candidate help long term quarterback correct but maybe his mobility would help them out little bit that has worked out.

This first starts terrible. They fire Marcus Brady, the offensive coordinator.

Things don't get any better. The next game. They fire um frank Reich, who, as I said, I think is a good coach, and and then they stunt everybody by hiring Jeff Saturday, who and then I feel for the pr guy who had to write in the release it was like he's a Colts consultant, a member of the team's Ring of Honor, and a former center and a former uh he and he coached in high school for a few seasons that whatever Lebron something in Georgia, it

would be short and sweet. I mean just that you had to write that as those were the top things you could think of to say, this is why we hired this guy. So here's the interesting part. The Rooney rule does not apply to this. Okay, so what do you do if he wins out? Well, I think you have to go through the hiring process because he's interim head coach right now. I think he's still at the end, would have to go through the hiring process. That's kind of a it was Did you see any of the

press conference at all? It was interesting being said that it's good that he doesn't have any coaching experience because he doesn't have the the fearness that coaches had that that so they lean on analytics. Yeah, you lean on analytic he doesn't have the fear that. Yeah, like he's gotta like me. He looks at the numbers and goes,

I don't care. I mean to equate those two things that he's saying that coaches with NFL experience to get those jobs and then they're scared, so they rely on analytics what I mean, Unless he's replying to like playing that to like Brandon Staley, I don't know what he's talking about. I don't. I don't know anyway, but yes, it it is. That is the um. Well, they don't have anybody that's called plays there. Yeah, they just decided to. I think his name is Parks Fraser. He's the assistant

quarterbacks coach. So why wouldn't you have Matt Ryan become your offensive court He knows because he knows the playbook doesn't mean he'll be good at picking the right place at the right time. I mean he might be. He well, how would you know, but at least go with the stats that you know you got a better shot at it. How's the quarterback coach going to be any better? He might be, who knows. I don't know if he's a

good play caller. I don't know if Matt Right is a good well yeah, well you don't know until you do it. Yeah, but I don't think that just because Matt Ryan knows the playbook very well means he would necessarily be good at calling plays. Okay, hmm, but that is kind of an unusual Uh, that's that's the fun part about the NFL. Josh, when you think it's settling in, something new happened and the the upheaval continues in Carolina as well. Uh. Yeah, they fired another coach, which I

think they fired two more of them. Yeah, the way I read it, sort of clearing out the Matt ruled loyalists. Well, yeah, and sometimes when that happens, their guys are a little disgruntled or there, you know, for whatever reason, they say, you know what we're gonna cut, We're gonna cut, We're gonna let you go. Anyways, at the end of the year, I'm not sure it's right. They have contracts, so they'll still get paid for Yeah, they get paid, They get paid.

They probably figure it was over at the end of the year anyway. And it's just and maybe if someone's kind of MOPy or they just feel whatever reason, you know, it's just I'm clapping and happy for any amount of upheaval for one of our division rights. Wow, it seems to the Saints are saying they're sticking with Andy Dalton

just be pretty bad before that was not good. That was Jamie sitting right there that I was just gonna say that is because they don't want him to make the big mistakes, right right, But but didn't didn't in Andy Dalton make a couple of big mistakes. Well not only that, I mean they signed him what for a couple They didn't just sign him for one year, So I don't. I don't know. But that's a new head coach there too, So again you don't know what the you know, how it plays out, but the fact is

that it worked in our favor. They didn't win. We want to just keep winning. So there's that. We um we We signed outside lanebacker Charles Snowdon to the practice squad today. We did and cut jojo Ozougu who just signed last week. I just liked the name Charles Snowdon. Have you did you ever read Catch twenty two, which is my favorite book I have, But I don't remember the name. But Snowdon was the guy who was dying in the airplane the whole Okay, they kept coming back

to that scene and kept dying in the airplane. Um, well that he's an edge rusher. Yeah, I mean he's on the practice squad. He's just he was in former undrafted, he's played two games for the Bears or something. It's it's just I guess they think he's better than Jojoeg had to try it with him a couple of days ago and said, okay, well, I got other things on my list. But we were going for a while. We got to get two questions. I would you like to move on? Yeah, let's do that. Let's go. Let's roll

into that. Let me fire up the old laptop. Yeah, well, where the where the live? You don't even know your own? Uh, that's your third time you're putting in your past. I messed it up every time. I know what it is, my fingers. I'm looking over there and I'm thinking, is he hacking into somebody? My fingers? My it wasn't getting from my That's called you got fat fingers. It happens all the time. Well, it happens when you're you know,

when you don't really I've got small hands. I do too, But I was just saying when I when i'm when I'm texting and it doesn't go right, I just say, oh, sorry, my fat fingers. Yeah, that was one of That was one of the things that I'm happy that Alex got from Giselle. Not me, but she and he have long fings, which I think helped him in his baseball career. See give us a picture. I do remember, all right, Michael Spala from Connecticut. Okay, I remember. This is a long one,

but I'll get through it. I'm only doing four so hey, guys, good god, that was ugly yesterday. See I told you, I'm sorry for the length of this email, but here we go. I'm glad the boys got the win because that's all that matters. I know. The line isn't what it was last year, but I think they're holding their own. What I don't understand is why Lenny looks so hesitant before he hits the whole. When he has a full

head of steam. He's obviously tough to bring down, but he looks like he's dancing behind line trying to pick his gap. Is this the play design or are the holes just not there? When Rashotte is in, he seems he seems to be exploding through the line and it's had some really nice runs. Lenny has earned the right to be in with his performance over the last two years, but he just seems off outside of the first game against the Cowboys thoughts. Okay, yeah, there's more, but let's

stop and do that one al right. First of all, a lot of the running plays the buckets run are out of what's called duo and that's you're trying to get double teams on multiple defenders and then you let

the the back pick the whole. It's it's not like like it's it's not the same as the thing is like stretch outside stretch runs where you run laterally and the blockers are moving laterally and then you caught up when you find the hole, right or you cut back behind behind the motion in that direction duo is mostly downhill, and you might if you got you got it tied end there you've got six blockers there that can double team up to three guys, and then you're hoping that

creates a lane somewhere right and then the running back finds it and hits it. And so if there, if you see Lenny dancing, because he probably it's probably do yeah, because he's not he's not seen a lane. He's waiting for a lane, and it doesn't happen. Correct, So they weren't and they weren't opening lanes last. So just running right up into the back of somebody isn't isn't gonna do any good. So you wait for a second, but then it doesn't happen. Then you get stopped, and then

it looks bad, right. You know, remember a few years back when Levian Bell was at the peak of his powers, every re single announcer was losing their mind about how he was so patient and that he would come to line D he pause, he did, he moved, he moved, and then he'd hit the hole. That's because they were creating those holes for me. Knew one would be there and he's just waiting to see it. I'm not saying we run duo on every play, but we do do that a lot. But there, but but in fairness, there

the holes weren't happening in that game. I don't think you. You can look at the numbers too. I mean, I I also want to say, and I have seen some nice explosive Rashot White runs, but there's no there's no nothing in the numbers that you look at this and go, well, we should definitely be giving Rushide more than Leard. I think shots averaging three point one yards for carry Leonard three point three leonards as long as seventeen reshots is eleven.

There's there's nothing there that says we're running the wrong guy. No, but I like I like when they mix it up because they're different style runners, so I I do like when they when they do that. I think I've been guilty of this a little bit too, because I do remember those nice slashing plays that a shot has made and think maybe maybe we should be giving them more work.

And I'm not remembering the runs that didn't work, because the number is tell me that it isn't working any better than when Leonard's in there, Okay, can we get someone in to burn some sage and ray ja near the receiver's lockers. I feel like they have all have the yips and are in their own heads. We all know it's not talent, but even Mike, Mike is dropping balls. So someone has the voodoo doll out. Maybe soak all

their gloves and maple syrup too. Yeah, well, I think that um that has been lifted because what Tom said about it's okay, if you drop a ball, you're getting open. I make bad passes, you drop balls, Let's just keep going. Drops happen, And I think I think that I also getting a win makes people not as tight because it is almost every play was like, you gotta make this play. You've got to make this play, you know so. And I don't think that we have receivers who are prone

to dropping the ball. They just it's just happened. And I don't think there's anything anything to the yips. Mike's not dropping the ball because you're thinking about it. Yeah, I yeah, I'm very pleased with our receiver. So also one prediction. I love how Kate has called him on over the last few weeks, and I think he has the potential to be dominant in the future. But if the Bucks went in Germany, I think Jason might open checkbook and have ground waiting to greet them on the

tarmac to make that run from the playoffs. We've already talked about that. We need to keep that fire burning. Okay, thanks for reading. Have a safe trip, Mike in Connecticut. Thanks Mike. All right, this is Brian Ruts and the subject line is Munich events. Heard from your previous show that some Buck fans fan events are scheduled in Germany. I have not seen any publish yet. Have we not made that? Um? There is and um, gosh, it is down in the plaza. Um, oh gosh, what's the name

of the plaza? I have to think there's a plaza down in downtown Munich. It's where the clock is, It's where the UM. I can't think of the beer garden. It's there. But yes, there's stuff going on Friday afternoon and Saturday. And I think the question here is where the questions. Have we put anything out about that? But I'm trying to I'm trying to locate um information on that. It's not gonna help us a whole lot at the moment. No, it's not it's it's not um. But yes, there's a

famous um. Oh god, Jeff, I can't think of it. Okay, Well, I don't think it'll be hard to figure out if you happen to be in Munich. No, if follow social media, follow the Buccaneers on social media, because because Joey's going uh and he'll be putting stuff out where we are, where the Buccaneers are, that's the best way because then you know exactly where it's at, all right, And I apologize because I do, really I can't. It's the hospital house, it's it's a famous beer I can't think of I'm sorry,

continue Scott. He also says, either way, the offer is still open to hang out with our group from Bradenton and my German relatives who live in Munich. Text me if you guys need any local recommendations or help with anything while in Germany. And he gave me a pone. Well, his friends, his his family will know where it's at because it's the Plaza downtown Munich. If you like beer, the it's spelled h l l E that's the place. No, this is the type of beer. Yes, but that's the

that's called Hellis. Is it Hollis or h E L L E s. He's not referring to a pub if you like beer, And I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, That's why I spelled it. The Hellas or Hollis is my recommendation, very very smooth light beer that is like an angel tickling your taste buds on the way down. Various breweries all of their own version of Hellas. So I'm going to try that for sure. Right, you can't drink the heavy beers all night, you gotta know.

And what I love it over there is every beer has got its own stein or it's heard's very special. But yeah, they you know what, it's funny you're saying that every one it's been talking about that that they want to they want to bring one back. Um. But social media, you know, Instagram, um, the Twitter account, there's a lot of what they'll have a lot of information over there. All right, thank you Brian for the invite again. And we have to see I don't know what I'm

doing yet. We have to see all this. But if if we end up in the same area as you, I'll text you and We'll say that's the hard part because we do have a UM practice on Friday, and we'll probably be tired. I don't think I'm going anywhere Friday night. But Saturday time, yeah, because we have a walk through. But hopefully mid afternoon Saturday. It's the goal. Good alright. This is from Samuel nee Now, who lives in Nashville. I've never asked if I'm pronouncing that one right. Well, apparently, uh,

you not, because they're not telling you you're wrong. Hey, dogs, that was a very nice win. It was a little ugly, I told you, Jeff, but it was a win. And not only that, but a win against the Rams doesn't hurt that we game the game on everyone else in the division. Also, we didn't talk about that. Oh by the way, let me stop here from do you want to just describe the crazy play at the end of the Falcons game, didn't you? Oh? Yeah where? Which it

reminds me of a buccaneer play in Yes Where. Well in nineteen seventy nine, it was against the Kansas City Chiefs and a rain storm in the three zero game, and Jerry Eckwood was running down the sideline with the ball in his hand, and no one. Hear nobody around him, and he dropped it. At least he had an excuse but that it was raining. It was yeah, but no, no, he had the ball okay, it was tucked and he's running okay, And that's what happened in the Falcons game.

It was a fumble fumble recovery, fumble fumble recovery. So Austin Nekeler was a great player. They're really just trying to set up a field goal to win it fumbles the ball. I on the do you play? I'm not sure. I thought he was down or whatever. I think half the people in the field, but the play was over because it takes a beat before the Falcons player picks it up, and for them, unfortunately turned up be the wrong player to pick it up. He starts running down

the field and he's not even touched. He just drops the ball. So the charges get extremely like it to get the ball back. And because it was because it was two changes of possessions, technically it was first down, so they had been knocked out of fieldal range, but it was first down. They didn't have too far to go. A couple of passes and talk talk about frustration it's just I mean, how do you even you know that

is just in your head the old time? How why? Yeah? Uh, you know, there's no explanation for it other than it's funny as long as you're not the guy. Yeah, okay, So hopefully we keep moving forward against the Seahawks. This ye, I'm with you. This is a pretty funny question. Alright. So I was looking at all the trades last week

and it made me curious. Imagine we lived in an alternate reality were not only players, but staff members could also be traded in this reality, Jason Light calls both of you into his office and tells you that while you both have been superb your job and great assets to the team, he's getting calls left and right from

teams offering multiple first round picks for each of you. However, because you have both been so good and given a lot to the organization, Jason wants to treat you right and trade you somewhere you actually would want to go. Jason then asked you to give him a list of your top three teams that you would want to be traded to for him to consider his options. What three teams would be on your short list? Thanks for the Great podcast as always an enjoyed Germany. That's pretty funny.

It's very funny. It's very good, completely unbelievable. It's if this were the reality, I probably would have had to negotiate a no trade clause because my wife would not be happy with us moving anywhere out of Tampa. She never wants to leave. So so do you know where you would go? Well, if the Chargers hadn't moved, San Diego would be high on my list. I've always liked the Chargers. I would have so i'd have the best gear in the league. I still might. I still might

put the Charges on my list. They're usually a pretty fun team. They got a great young quarterback. I probably am towards the end of my working career. I mean, I don't know how much longer I got, But so I would like a team that has a chance to be good for the next seven to ten years. I'm with you, Um, so maybe the Chargers. I think Denver, just because I think I would like to live in Denver. Anything good, good stuff there and see I'm I'm ruling out even though the Packers of all that history, I

don't want to live in Green Bay. I don't want to live in Buffalo. I don't want to live in or around New York City. I don't want to live in Philly. I don't want to live in Boston. Right. Um, Miami, No, I don't want to live in Miami. I'm already living in Tampa. I don't want to live I couldn't work for the Cowboys because I've always despised The one time I went to Houston before I worked here, I didn't

like it. It was way too hot. Uh, Seattle, Seattle, Seattle would be Baltimore just because I think that's a well run organization. Okay, So I'm gonna narrow my list now, all right, Nara, Denver one because I think that's generally a pretty well run organization and I think Denver would be a nice place to live. Um, these are initily

in order. These are my three. Baltimore because I just think that's one of the best run organizations in the league, and so I think your work environment would be good and they usually find ways to win. And I don't know if I want to, I'm gonna have to. I'm not dying to live in l A. But California as a whole would be pretty cool. And um, I think I just the gear that I would get from the Chargers, I would, I would that would probably be those those are yours? How about you? My three would be right

off the bat for rams Chargers. So you want to go to California, there's three and the fourth one if if I couldn't go to all three, the fourth one would be the Raiders. Okay, that might be in Vegas. Yeah, I don't think I want to live in Vegas. Seattle could be near. It would be an I think, a nice place to live. Yeah, I mean, I mean if if if it goes all the way down to that, yeah, I could do Seattle. I I do enjoy the Pacific Northwest. Yes, I like dream would be that the Charges move back

to San Diego. I think that in a heartbeat, probably the most beautiful city I've ever been in heart I don't mean from architecture, just it reminds the thing about San Diego reminds me a lot about Tampa, and that is the downtown area. But the best part about San Diego is the weather. It's just it's always it's always good where here you have I mean, I mean on game day, I bought a I got a I bought

a military because it was a military appreciation game. So I bought um a pull over, a zip pull over, long sleeve and it was eighty eight degrees and I was like, I'm wearing it. I don't care, and I had I did, and I just pushed the sleeves up a little bit. But um, you know, as eighty eight degrees,

it's November. It used to be in Florida the middle of October you would have this great fall weather and it would be beautiful weather all the way, a little Chilean January, February, you know, and then March the great spring weather March, April, May, then June summer and you sweat you, you know what's off, and then come October to be great again. Now it's just hot all the time. So so if I was going to get traded those those you want to go west, yeah, I go west.

I think Denver, just Denver is great. The beauty about Denver is just as pretty in the wintertime as it is in the summertime. And if you're an outdoors person, there's you're going to do all of that. Yeah, this one's this is from I don't think we've got a question from him in a couple of weeks, but Alexander

and oh yeah, Brazil. I guess the last time I read one of his questions, I thought that he accidentally misspelled his own name because it ended in R E and previously he had been sending e er, but he was just doing that. Here a hoy, salty dogs, hope to find you both. Well, this is a bit long, but it's a really pretty, pretty fun story, so little

to do the whole. Mr Smith, First of all, I must clarify that my name is really Alexander ending an R E. I usually, when talking to non Brazilians, say that my name is Alexander e Er because that's a name more known, especially with US citizens, since Alexander is the Portuguese version of Alexander E R. So sorry for making you believe I had a different name, and I'm not insulted by that. You've been fooling us this whole time. I quit writing Alexander e Er this season, so that

it's very impressive of you to take notes. Thank you. I felt compelled to share the following story because of your second to last oops not last most recent, I might say, episode I took a two week vacation with my family to make a dream come true. My wife Barbara and I always had a will to experience the Halloween in the US, which is interesting especially now with our eight year old son, Luca l U C C A. I think it's probably right. M. I like that name.

And after the pandemic hit hit us back in we realized we had to we have to take every possibility we have with urgency. You dogs may not know, but Halloween is not a thing here in Brazil. I didn't know that, although I don't find it surprising. However, we have always had films on TV series to get an idea like hocus Pocus and to make us eager to get some candy from total strangers in the U. S streets someday and we thought of something. You know what

he says it that way. It does sound kind of weird. You know, it's like you're told, I mean, you're you're taught as a child, take your taught as a child, don't take candy from the stranger, and then you have a day that you're gonna go do this. We did some trick or treating at Celebration Florida. Oh yeah, that's right down the road. And of course we know this area very well. I can totally picture the whole town because we spent seven years of training camp in the

in the hotel there. Yeah, we know the pub what's the name of uh town town tavern, the Boston themed um. The thing I have though, is if this was your first American city or experience in an American city, that's not real. No no, no, no no, he probably does that that city. That's a cool place. Basically, it's a

disneified town, it is, but it's very cool. It's probably why he doesn't say in the letter, but maybe they went there so they could also hit the absolutely And it's a great area and it's a great concept and it should be like that. It feels like they've tried to make it like the way we picture the nineteen forties. Yeah, but it's very nice and clean and it's it's a fun place to visit. We liked it, yes, okay, and it felt like what to Ryan described. We arrived at

three thirty pm and we're near an elementary school. I can picture that school in my head. So we could see lots of parents waiting for their kids, and they all went trick or treating after school, so basically they were just stalking other families. Um. It was a surreal experience for us because I could never imagine myself being able to do it, and there I was with my family experience experiencing it all. We left around olymp Um.

It's funny to think that there's probably um traditions in every country that if we experienced with me like, wow, that is I never even thought of that. Taking candy from for an entire UNI. Oh, I must say, my favorite candy is Skittles. It's interesting. And Luca loved the cookies Eminem's. I guess there's a you had them. Yes, they're very good. What they got cookie stuff inside of them? It's an it's cookie with an Eminem inside. Oh cookie Eminem's.

They're they're good. Well, who gives out cookie Eminem's. I think they're a Eminem's are just not Eminem's anymore. They do a lot of different things. Okay, so it is an Eminem. We're not talking about eminem cookies. We're talking about Eminem's cookie stuff in him. I'm going to find out, but I think there is a cookie Eminem. Since you did thanks for reading Alexander Asimento from sal Polo, Brazil.

That is so that's my last question. But if you want me to give you time, UM, I'm just real quick. Varieties of m Yeah of Eminem. Yeah, they they have Oh they have a scary Halloween candy Eminem. Oh yes, there's a well there's Eminem cream cookie sandwich. There's a double chocolate chip cookies Eminem's. So yes, that's probably what. Yeah. Wow, I you know it's funny that. Um there's peanut butter. Yeah. Oh yeah, there's there's peanut there's everything. I've had ones

with pretzels of them. It is, you know, you forget that. You know, we live right down the road from all the big amusement parks that people love to go to. Fudge Brownie Carmel. When was the last time you actually went to a Disney or sea World? The last time? Universe I'm not including the Sea World because I think those are different. Yeah, okay, but you're talking about amusement park like a Disney World. The last time I went to one of those was the last time I was

dumb enough to let that happen. There's Crispy Eminem's Alman Eminem's I do not like Disneyland. Uh you know, um well disney World and Disneyland crunch cookie. Eminem's yeah, that sounds pretty good. Yeah, they're, like I said, I've never seen that when they're in a light blue bag. You know, you're talking about, um, you know, traditions of things that nature. We're going to Germany, of course, and we are, and they are big into Christmas. Oh yeah, yeah, so I'm

kind of it's you think they already think so. I would think so it'll be interesting to see what that's all about. Maybe be not, but I would think it's that close. They know how to celebrate because you packed yet. Somebody asked me that at lunch, like are you dune packing? Like why would I be dune packing? Right? You packed the night before you go, probably Thursday morning. I don't wait till the morning just in case there's some issue. Oh my god, I forgot to watch the stuff or something. Yeah,

I packed the night before. Yeah. I just kind of like throw stuff in there and then it you don't wear, so it doesn't you know. And you can take a bigger bag this trip because you can check bags. The rule for most of our flights these days, as you don't get to check back, so you need to make sure that they can fit in the overhead bend. Yeah, it's all. It's all about, you know, planning properly. But you have to bring a coat because you know at

night it's going to be in the upper third. I don't really even have a thick coat, but I don't care. I'll I'll have a sweatshirt and I'll wear a thin jacket over it. I was fortunate enough. I I bought a winter Code a few years back, and um, it's a puffer and it's great because you can you can scrunch it up and put it in a little. But it's very very warm. So you know that that and you know all my all my fleeces or buck gear. So yeah, I don't try to decide do I want

to wear that out? I could. I could break out of an old Bucks like a big puffy Bucks jacket, but hey, it's probably old logo. That'd be cool. I don't know, And I don't want to wear a big red jacket around all them. No, No, I'm talking about you know, if you wear a fleece or something like that with the Buck logo, might if I have a warm shart underneath and in a light and a light jacket. I'll be fine. It's not very warm in the beer garden, so you know it's not the beer will keep me warm. Yeah,

she'll be fine. Breathe. It picked up for me a target because she was getting some for herself. I guess gloves were like the tip. You can detach the tip because we're, as you've pointed out in Europe, the and as we found in the stadiums we've been over there. The writers sit outside. It's not an enclosed press body. And so you're sitting outside in a section of stands.

It's cordoned off. And so we're gonna be out there in the coal and you're gonna be working, and I have to be able to type, and it's really I can't type in clothes good. The thing is is, uh, it'll be about fifty five degrees when kickoff happens. But the problem is it gets dark there like four thirties. So even if you okay, okay, you're listening to this and you're going, wow, fifty degrees fifty five, boy, that's not bad. You have to you have to remember though,

that's a thirty degree swing for us. You know what I'm saying, because you're usually it's like eighty five and now it's fifty five. If it's gonna feel colder to you, it's gonna feel good. Yeah, I think so that's I'm excited. I like colder weathers well. I I think we all like colder weather weather more than't we may be used to, because we don't get any of it now and now it's refreshing when you step off that plane and that cold air it hits you. I didn't particularly like winters

when I was growing up. No, but you know, no snow, so you're not don't have to worry about that. I think I need to pick up some of these crunch cookie him. They look really good, Yeah, and take him on the trip with you. Try him out. I'm always worried about taking anything in my bag that's food or drink or anything, because I don't know what the international rules are. Can you you're not smuggling? Usually it's can

you take your Usually depends on what size. Um not really relevant because I plan to drink the German beer when we get there. It's usually vegetables, fruits, and that could have things that grow and have a bug on them or some kind of disease. Correct, those are the things that that usually there. So I won't get in trouble for a pack of M and ms. Great, you'll be yelling at me. Is there dragging me backwards? I

just know not to take a vape pin into Russia. Yeah, good idea, just a concept, not that I plan to go to Russia. Well, when that's you know, that's you know, it's funny is listening to a lot of people in the building have not been out of the country before, so it's interesting to hear how they're I haven't done at a ton. You've done a lot more to deal with it, you know, to understand it. But you you know, you understand what I've been. I've been in Mexico, Canada, England, France, Japan. Yeah,

I think that's probably it. That's pretty good. It's not that good. I've been to Mexico, Canada, Japan. I guess Australia. I want them, the Netherlands, UM, Belgium, Belgium, France, Scotland, Ireland, England, Italy, Spain, Dan, Greece, Austria, Germany. I don't even know how much of that what am I up to? It sounded like about yeah, did you were some of those like on the same trip, like you did? Well, yeah, But usually though, I like to go to a country and explore it, like when I

was in Germany. Last time I was in Germany, I went to Austria, which is just like right down from Munich. But normally, um, I like to immerse into a city, like I spent a week in Paris, but the first time I went to Paris, I went to London, spent a week, and then the day trips went to When I went to Scotland, spent a few time there Ireland, spent the whole time in Ireland. I'm not I'm not big into you know, you go on a tour and then you you know, you're constantly moving and unpacking and moving.

I like to get there and just you know, kind of see the city, enjoy it because you can always go back. Yeah, well you see. It's like it's you gotta remember, it's like trying to see America all in one trip. You're just not it's just not going to happen, Okay, to see things other than just the highlights. This this might be our longest podcast ever, and it's one one hour and thirty minut okay, um, I wanted to just one last question. You just name all those places you've been.

You're only allowed to take one more overseas trip international trip. Which one are you going back to? You have to go back to one of those spots. I forgot to say. I've been, um in the Czech Republic, I forgot I went there. I went to Prague. I forgot about that. Okay, so you've been. If I got to go back to one place of the ones you've mentioned, just only one place, you only can do one more. Ever, Yeah, there's a new rule. Probably back to Paris. Paris would be it. Yeah.

I really enjoyed Paris. I just I don't know, there's just something about that. What did you think of the food in Paris? I thought it was good, really. Yeah. Well we were only there for that one quick day, so we only had one meal and it was underwhelming. But I've heard other people say that the food isn't

that impressive. I bet, I bet if you go to the expensive places, well, it's like it's like anything else, you know, I mean depends who prepares it, you know, I mean it's like you know, you think you're going to Italy and no matter what restaurant you're going, you're gonna have the best spaghetti there is no It's kind of like here in the States, you go to some

restaurants are better than others. Yeah, but like it, would you agree with me that London food isn't you You're not going to London for the food fish and chips. I mean, well it's changed. This is a bit reductive, but there's something to the idea that most places you go have the same things, fish and chips, fangers and mash uh. Yeah, the shepherd's pie not a not a huge variety. Yeah, yes, I feel like that's the rule.

I feel like that's the general idea of London. And what I'm saying is my personal experience in France and a couple of other people have been there. I mean, Paris is somewhat somewhere not the same foods, but every place they tried to go ahead the same stuff. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's probably not the case, and I just don't know where to go in Paris, but any case, it doesn't matter. It was See, that's just that's what you think of Paris as being very

cultured in a lot of ways, including food. I thought, that's what I what I what I enjoy, and being in England the UK it what I enjoy because I love history. Just the fact that you look at something and you go, wow, that's been there for five yeah or whatever, right, and you're like wow. And in here in in the States, you know, it's thirty years old, while we gotta tear it down and build something new. So I mean, I I find that very fascinating that

you know, you see all of that. Yeah, we're joking a lot about going to the beer houses when you get over there, but I also want to just sight see. Yeah, see, just what does the architecture look like. It's well, you know, honestly, uh, it's a little different in Munich because Munich was bombed out during World War two, so a lot of the structures are more nineteen sixty styles. Um. But if you go out into the you know a little bit like like the main plaza down there, it's got this really

cool clock. That's very cool. So yeah, okay, all right, Yeah that's all I got. I mean, all right, what else anything? No, No, I'm good. We're going for we're going for two in a row, something that we haven't done since week one and two. Yes, and we're going that would be nice. And we're trying to keep control of first place. And we're trying to have Tom Brady win in four countries. He's one in Mexico, he's one in the United States, yeah, yeah, and England and so

Germany would be three and overseas. Yeah, and we're oh and three. Yeah, it gets including one lost to him. Correct, So now we got him. So that's why we got some you're telling me he's gonna beat us again. Something's got to get where, something's going somewhere, all right, all right, since you did wait wait wait, wait, wait, wait what we missed a question? What what happened? There was another

question there? It is Okay, we indulge me. And this one is driving me crazy because I didn't get it till today and and I tried to find somebody who would give me the best answer, and I don't have it yet. I'm gonna continue to find the answer, though, we'll have it next time. Oh, you're not gonna give me the question? I am, gentleman, is with great pleasure that I inform you my wife and me will be at the game. On Sunday. I will watch my first ever live NFL game and I will see the Buccaneers

quarterback by Tom Brady in Germany. What a time to be alive. Wow from Germany. His name is Dylan Dylan. He only puts Dylan. I can see his name from his email address, but I won't read the whole thing. But my question is about the final play of the previous game. In the Rams desperation play, Cooper Cup throws a lateral which hits the ground. Then Allan Robinson picks it up and runs up the field. So I understand that because Cup's throw was not a four pass, and

that's why I live ball. The play continues, But wasn't it technically a fumble that can only be advanced by the fumbling player himself? Under two minutes? Can you clean this one up for me? I'm Cory, I'm thinking about that play. This whole rule stems from a Raiders game in the nineteen seventies where I think it was Kins Stabler at the end of the game fumbled the ball and it like rolled fifteen yards forward. I think it's called the Holy Roller. He purposely hely just kind of

was being tackled. So we've purposely fumbled forward and one of his teammates eventually recovered it in the end zone for the win. I think that place is called the Holy Roller. You can know what. You can't forward a fumble. Yeah, well you can't advance a fumble. That's been so, but

it is true. Here's a rule right from this rule updated rule book if a if a fumble by either team occurs after the two minute warning, One, the ball may be advanced by an opponent to the player who fumbled is the only player of his team who is permitted to recover and advance the ball. Three. If the recovery or catch is by a team of the player who fumbled, the ball is dead and the spot of the next step is the spot of the fumble or

the spot of the recovery. If the spot of the recovery is behind the spot of the funnel, that's okay. So when I got this question today like a noon, and so I went to look for I like to bounce these kind of things off Michael my Hanna think he's great about that and his because Dylan here is

correct it. When Cooper cup so Cooper Cup catches it first and then he's trying to lateral it back to Actually, he said Ellen Robinson, but the player in places Brandon Powell, he's trying to lateral it back to him, and the ball does indeed hit the ground, and then Powell manages

to get it. And it says right in the play by play, Cooper Cup to l A seven yards fumbles, which was his attempted lateral recovered by l A. B. Powell at l an So it wasn't backwards, it went sideways two and then he actually lost six yards and then lateral. You know, the play kept going and several more laterals and they ended up getting to the twenty six. Shouldn't the ball have been dead as soon as it hit the ground and then the other ram recovered it

because according to this rule. So the first thing Mike says to me, which I think is right, he goes, that's on fumbles forward. If you fumble the ball backwards, this this does not apply. You can't. You can't. You can't advance the ball. So they're not advancing because it's going backwards. Well, no, you can't advance the ballpart means after it's been recovered. Okay, you know, because the spirit of that rule was the Raiders got away with purposely

fumbling forward into the end zone. And I guess the idea is, if you're fumbling forward, you shouldn't get you're trying to get some gain by public purposely fumbling forward. If you're fumbling backward, what do you have to gain by that? There's nothing gain by that, but there is because you're keeping this last play alive. I agreed with Mike, and then I came up and found the rule book and found the passage and it doesn't say anything in here. It has to be forward it just as a phone

doesn't say forward, backward anything. So by this Dylan would be right. And as soon as that has ruled a fumble, as soon as that guy recovered it that it wasn't Cooper Cup, the place should be dead right there. So this is our listeners homework. Start googling and figure it out and see if we can find the answer. For next week, I'm gonna try to find the answer. That's what I just didn't have enough time today, but it's sticking in my mind right now and I really want

to know. Um. But the thing that's confusing. Here is We've seen you and I. Everybody's watched these games has seen this type of play many times, and it's common for the ball. You know, some two inernew pon lineman finds the ball in his hands and he's trying to get somebody in. It hits the ground, but the play always keeps going. Why I need to know. Why would they have just did they just let it happen and then afterwards would have ruled, hey, you can't if they

break it for a touch on them? They have brought it back. Also, at the end of this game, at the end of this play, the last lateral went forward the the big the lineman had it me threw to Cooper Cump, but I went forward seven yards and I think there was actually a flag thrown on the field. There was, but they didn't do anything about it. There's no pen on They just said games over and so they didn't actually enforce. So I don't know. I need to know the answer to that. So I'm glad that

you brought that up. All right, that's good, Cliffhanger joined us. Cliff, Yes, Dylan will probably be back next week just for this reason. Very good. It's whatever reason why we want you all to come back. Yeah, I know what exactly. How's that all right? You done? Are you sure? I'm sure since you did. Thanks for listening.