how to make $100000 on youtube - Safety Third 145

[SPEAKER_06]: We're doing a safety third live show in Norwalk, Connecticut, Kevin won't be there, and Nigel might not be there. [SPEAKER_06]: It's gonna be me, my fellow Allen. [SPEAKER_06]: Why is Kevin not there? [SPEAKER_06]: I can still go to a wedding. [SPEAKER_06]: I will be well. [SPEAKER_06]: Ah. [SPEAKER_06]: So if you're in the area, Friday the 24th and one come will be at the NHRL building and 53rd live tickets are like, it's cheap. [SPEAKER_06]: What, 30 bucks or something?

[SPEAKER_06]: We'll see you there. [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, this is our theme song. [SPEAKER_06]: Don't go to Catware House. [SPEAKER_06]: We had this, there's a diamond, yeah, she says something in the camera house. [SPEAKER_06]: Don't go to the camera house right now. [SPEAKER_06]: We had to shut it down. [SPEAKER_06]: Something horrible happened. [SPEAKER_06]: What happened? [SPEAKER_06]: Something went really wrong with the order fulfillment system and 500 orders did not get fulfilled.

[SPEAKER_02]: What? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So... [SPEAKER_05]: it's so it's not a long story, but I don't want to tell to you. [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of embarrassing. [SPEAKER_06]: If you ordered something on catwarehouse and you haven't gotten it, we'll fix that. [SPEAKER_07]: Are they, is the stuff's going to get shipped though? [SPEAKER_06]: I, oh, it will, yeah, it will be made right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: It's not like the order fulfillment warehouse blew up or anything. [SPEAKER_06]: No, I don't know exactly what happened. [SPEAKER_06]: Some computer, some, but I think we may have been selling stuff that was not in stock, because it never got disabled. [SPEAKER_06]: And so we either have to go and make that inventory and then ship it or just cancel and refund the orders. [SPEAKER_06]: So what if I went to a year house? [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I'm Tommy.

[SPEAKER_06]: And uh, last year. [SPEAKER_06]: I forgot, but we haven't had a guest in. [SPEAKER_07]: I know. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: And usually we forget to introduce our guests, too. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: The last time I've been on a podcast was like years ago on the which podcast for you. [SPEAKER_08]: Tyler Stallman. [SPEAKER_08]: How was that? [SPEAKER_08]: He's a filmmaker, you super. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: He's a nice dude.

[SPEAKER_06]: Which podcast is better? [SPEAKER_05]: His or ours. [SPEAKER_08]: You can say you can say you can totally say I watched this one. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. [SPEAKER_06]: So who's it? [SPEAKER_06]: This is like NASCAR you watch it because it's like city and this one's nice. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, the lighting is nice in this one.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: So our guest today our first guest in quite a while is Tommy Callaway. [SPEAKER_06]: Do we have a round of applause button, John? [SPEAKER_06]: God, what a fuckin' sea list for action.

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[SPEAKER_06]: What do you do? [SPEAKER_06]: Well, wait, what do you do, okay, complicated. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's common. [SPEAKER_06]: So on YouTube, you make videos on YouTube. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: About, I would say it's like filmmaking and equipment and I don't think it's something like solar and like, you know, generators and things like that.

[SPEAKER_06]: You basically figured out a way, like, you know, from my perspective, you figure out a way to get a bunch of really expensive free ship from companies that should cost like how much money of equipment you think you've gotten for the reviews that you're doing you to definitely in the six figure and like that's wow and is it stuff that you need or just start to accumulate because I think I know I know which one it is. [SPEAKER_08]: It kind of accumulates it's like some of it's here.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: So you get all this free crap, but then you're just like, what do I do with all of it? [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. [SPEAKER_08]: So I guess my story on YouTube started with a, I wanted to kind of build out my studio using reviews as the vehicle to do it. [SPEAKER_08]: So I like bought a couple of lights and companies. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I reviewed them and then companies.

[SPEAKER_08]: saw those videos and I said, hey, you review lights, what would you also review light? [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you really care about lighting. [SPEAKER_08]: At least on YouTube for the most part. [SPEAKER_08]: And so then my inbox started flooding with emails that companies that wanted to send me or lights. [SPEAKER_08]: It was like, yeah, I just send them. [SPEAKER_08]: And so I started reviewing a bunch of lights. [SPEAKER_08]: And I wanted camera.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but that's hard to get. [SPEAKER_08]: companies wouldn't send me cameras, so I then sold some of the lights that I was done with to buy cameras and then tripod. [SPEAKER_08]: So I kind of treated it like a business and then eventually I had more stuff that I knew what to do with. [SPEAKER_08]: In fact, I met Alan and, you know, I know, I know, Alan, I framed it. [SPEAKER_08]: So it lights to him and then we went in and hung out some [SPEAKER_08]: No, like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_08]: We just met somehow and then we sold them some ice and then we have a beer at some Mexican restaurant and then we became friends. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, the same restaurant that we went to. [SPEAKER_08]: Different one. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, different one. [SPEAKER_06]: How did we meet? [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, uh, ice chest. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but like how did that happen?

[SPEAKER_06]: Because that was 20 like 17 or 2018 that you built for I think that must have been earlier on YouTube channel. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that was earlier. [SPEAKER_08]: So before I was interested in like lighting and stuff, I was trying to do STEM engineering type things. [SPEAKER_08]: And I realized one that you guys were like waste smarter than me and or just are able to concentrate on a project. [SPEAKER_06]: That's a very interesting way to describe either of camera.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, thank you. [SPEAKER_06]: Or if we concentrate better than you, the your shit's raw. [SPEAKER_08]: So I was trying to do science content and you're guys content We just way better than my suppose my like magnum opus project. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh Yeah, um was magna cum laude magna cum laude. [SPEAKER_08]: How do you say magna tron magna tron magna tron my magna tron project Was so I saw you had done the remote control shopping card.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that was awesome [SPEAKER_08]: And I was like, I mean, I want to challenge him to like shitty battle bots, so then I spent like four months building this ice chest my free time had a flame to around it with the same wheels. [SPEAKER_06]: It was like a remote control ice chest. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it was the same kind of wheels. [SPEAKER_08]: And then I added a flame to it. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and then a challenge to you to shitty battle bots.

[SPEAKER_08]: You said me, you know, yeah, I just emailed you. [SPEAKER_06]: I kind of, I like I remember everything except the like how it started. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think actually, um, I don't know if we, I think we met before that Vidcon or something was a Vidcon. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_06]: That makes sense. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but you had known me from, I think I'd be like emailed back forth. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, kind of remember that video.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was like in a parking lot somewhere, right? [SPEAKER_08]: Is in, yeah, in front of the house. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, was it? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: Anyways, when my battle fought made contact with yours, all the worlds immediately fell apart. [SPEAKER_08]: And then we spent the rest of the day trying to fix the thought so you can have a real battle. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think that's kind of like how we became friends.

[SPEAKER_06]: That's full day of welding. [SPEAKER_06]: It was the fumes. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: You really do make the best friendship tie on welding for gas and fumes. [SPEAKER_06]: I think that I'm, I strongly agree with that. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, he pulled it up like that. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: God, that's sick. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: No one builds stuff like that on YouTube anymore. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no, they kind of do it, but just people don't watch it.

[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like oh, man. [SPEAKER_08]: I look so much younger. [SPEAKER_06]: What happened? [SPEAKER_08]: I started working out. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, you started making videos about lighting and stuff like that. [SPEAKER_07]: How long was it before you started getting emails asking like you to do product reviews. [SPEAKER_07]: We were one video. [SPEAKER_07]: One video next week. [SPEAKER_07]: That's insane. [SPEAKER_07]: I got a question for you.

[SPEAKER_07]: Did you even have any subscribers? [SPEAKER_07]: Um, or like, did that video do really well? [SPEAKER_08]: No, probably thousands of views, maybe. [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe a couple hundred. [SPEAKER_08]: Hundreds of views. [SPEAKER_08]: So when I when I was done with all the lighting stuff, uh, and like filmmaking because I had built out my studio and I was like, done, I didn't need any more stuff. [SPEAKER_08]: I've best cameras, but everything, I don't need any more.

[SPEAKER_08]: I have more lights than most like professionals. [SPEAKER_08]: Um, I'm just like a dude in the studio. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I feel like to like to really make things clear like every light that I have that like all my YouTube videos from the film non our lights that I got from you Yeah, here's a good. [SPEAKER_06]: I still use them. [SPEAKER_08]: They're good lights.

[SPEAKER_06]: I will it's just what I have and I don't care about anything else [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so I was done with all that and then I went and bought one of the, like, used eco flow film pro. [SPEAKER_08]: I made a video about that and it got like 900 views. [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you for your email. [SPEAKER_08]: Same thing. [SPEAKER_08]: And then anchor saw that video and they immediately offered to send me a bunch of stuff and sponsor the video.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, do you have to pay taxes on any of these stuff? [SPEAKER_06]: Because like, some of these units are like thousands of dollars. [SPEAKER_08]: you're supposed to. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. [SPEAKER_06]: And you did. [SPEAKER_06]: You're supposed to. [SPEAKER_06]: Right. [SPEAKER_06]: And you did. [SPEAKER_06]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_06]: I did.

[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, like, if it is, if it's for, like, because I, this is a part of the honor stand of any of, like, this crap, like, if you, if someone wants to review a thing. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: And they have to send it to you. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so there's a few ways they can send it to you.

[SPEAKER_08]: Usually they send it as marketing material and say the value is like $50 yeah and I don't know how much it cost them to make these products so I can't refuse that they need it for.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like it's required for making that the product like you could send it back, but like what if they just like don't want it, they don't like you're just supposed to be stuck with it, a thing like you have to get rid of very have to be tacked as I don't like it feels like if it's necessary for the production, do you have to like if it was a car maybe like that kind of would make sense well.

[SPEAKER_08]: some of the companies that want you to work with them for videos is they want to send you the product to make the video and then you send it out. [SPEAKER_06]: That's your bow. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: And I think maybe they say that to get around the task thing. [SPEAKER_08]: Perhaps. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah, and they don't ask for it.

[SPEAKER_08]: But [SPEAKER_08]: A lot of the, in the filmmaking world where I was doing those kinds of videos, like there was nothing in it for me, because, I mean, I do this video, and no one's going to buy like a $3,000 light from a YouTube video. [SPEAKER_08]: Like they're going to go tell their, you know, their director or their gaffer, whatever, go buy five of these lights. [SPEAKER_08]: We go rent them from this rental house.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: And only like 900 people or so are like actually searching for that light and that's how I make the videos. [SPEAKER_06]: That's like a very loose, like a very powerful spot in the super niche. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but I bet you like each one of those 900 people has like a multiple orders of magnitude more likelihood to consume the product that is that they're watching. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like like if you have nine [SPEAKER_06]: every single one of those people.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think this is something that's like grossly misunderstood on the internet is lots of views is like not better marketing. [SPEAKER_06]: Like at all, like ever, never, ever, if anything, it's worse because you're trying to reach a really broad audience. [SPEAKER_06]: So unless your product is like a really broad product, like I don't know what's like air credit cards, right?

[SPEAKER_06]: like it's better to find someone that has like a lower view count, but every person watching it is like into that one thing. [SPEAKER_06]: Like the return is going to be way more effective. [SPEAKER_08]: Like, yeah, I guess you call me like a niche creator. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I've niched down a few different times.

[SPEAKER_08]: And the difference when so so companies would send lights right and that's that's all they would send and I couldn't get a sponsorship out of it It was just challenging to like find the motivation to keep making videos and then I did that eco flow video and the first question that all these so I got a flood of emails after doing the one for anchor [SPEAKER_08]: They always ask me immediately, what's your rate? [SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_08]: And $1 million?

[SPEAKER_08]: No, it's just like, I don't know, that's not a question I'm used to answering. [SPEAKER_08]: And so I just kind of came up with a number and they're happy to pay it. [SPEAKER_06]: And I always try to remain honest and I say, hey, like, how much was that when the with that, like, first eco-phobody would have to tell them. [SPEAKER_06]: That's the right kind of a hundred bucks.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay. [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's like a thing that like a lot of people online, so you don't have any idea. [SPEAKER_06]: Like, there's not really a ballpark of like, I remember when we the first ad we ever did, I think was for like, one of the cooking ones is a blue apron. [SPEAKER_06]: No, it wasn't it was before that. [SPEAKER_06]: I think we did the blue apron. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, maybe we may, and then we might not have done it, but I think that was the first offer, maybe.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I was sitting there and it's like, this is just sort of like two morons in a studio apartment. [SPEAKER_06]: It's been turning on machine chop. [SPEAKER_06]: And this company is like, hey, you know, we will sponsor a video like, what's the rate? [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, [SPEAKER_07]: fucking no. [SPEAKER_07]: I know. [SPEAKER_07]: Why did you tell me what a good rate is? [SPEAKER_06]: Right. [SPEAKER_06]: Like you start, you know?

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: And so I think I I like sat down and just sort of back calculated like it was a spreadsheet somewhere that we had a shared spreadsheet between like me, hacksmith, you were on there. [SPEAKER_06]: I was like Kevin, Peter Streetbull and Nigel was on there too. [SPEAKER_06]: God, that's because like a long time ago now. [SPEAKER_07]: And then Mark Rober came in and told us what he gets.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we were like, [SPEAKER_06]: You know, we're doing something wrong. [SPEAKER_06]: Something terribly wrong. [SPEAKER_06]: But it was like, they was thinking about, you know, But that's back when we were all getting the same amount of views. [SPEAKER_07]: Like Mark wasn't getting the kind of views he was getting. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, this was like in the hundreds of thousands of millions of views.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he just had a better manager at the time than us or something like that. [SPEAKER_07]: It just sounds well. [SPEAKER_07]: I think that's why you started that management. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because we were so tired of like dealing with, like, ad agencies that would come in and do that.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, well, what's your rate and you're like, [SPEAKER_06]: like I think this and so like how do you calculate that and it's like okay well how much time you're going to spend but like they're because there's you know at no point in your life Have you ever been told any of the like concepts of what content production advertising is worth people don't know how to ask for money [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but also like, how do you quantify the value of your audience?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: But like, how do you ask for like money that's worth your time and have the confidence to if I picked a number that would make it worth the amount of time that I think I would put into making that video worth into me, you know, put in a couple of weeks of my free time. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, finding number that makes you comfortable and start asking for it. [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, if the companies like the quality of your videos will hit, [SPEAKER_06]: I think the best way to get the the only way to get the best deal is to be willing to say no and so if somebody's coming to you and I say hey like what's your right if you're willing to walk away from it. [SPEAKER_06]: and you don't really care, can't be disparate. [SPEAKER_06]: Just, you exactly go high. [SPEAKER_06]: Say like, you know, I don't know, $15,000.

[SPEAKER_06]: And they'll come back and they'll, oh, sorry, we can't afford that. [SPEAKER_06]: And you're like, what can you afford? [SPEAKER_06]: And they say like $5,000, you're like, okay. [SPEAKER_06]: to make that work. [SPEAKER_06]: I guess I could make that work this time. [SPEAKER_07]: So with your battery banks that you have, that's another good example of a product that, you know, if people are searching for these battery banks, they're probably looking to make a purchase.

[SPEAKER_07]: So it's like, it's more valuable. [SPEAKER_08]: It was a much better opportunity on YouTube as like an affiliate because [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, everyone this trying to start a homestead, everyone that's afraid of a power outage, especially with power insecurity and like California right now.

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[SPEAKER_08]: everyone. [SPEAKER_08]: Literally everyone. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you've gotten so many of these. [SPEAKER_07]: You could probably power your entire street. [SPEAKER_06]: Do you know I know you have a ton of them? [SPEAKER_06]: It's because I think, uh, I don't know, maybe half of them are like sitting in one of my shipping containers and you have not asked for them back yet.

[SPEAKER_07]: You've also given me four broken ones and I fixed two of them They're just sitting in my trailer. [SPEAKER_07]: What was wrong with them? [SPEAKER_07]: The MOSFETs on the input stage blew up. [SPEAKER_07]: I don't like that That's yours because you do the power overload test.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so I'll overload him with like a bunch of electric kettles They're like a whole bunch of super powerful lights a piece of copper wire [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I mean, that's the way you would do it. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: A ten-owned copper wire. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, the way normal person would do it is like while they're camping, like they plug in a toaster and a kettle at the same time, and some other stuff, he just explodes.

[SPEAKER_08]: Uh, so that can fry them sometimes. [SPEAKER_08]: So I try and do those tests on them. [SPEAKER_08]: Or I try to when I was interviewing a bunch of them. [SPEAKER_07]: I think that's uh, everyone that you gave me was like an overload test failure. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think that's what it was. [SPEAKER_07]: So some, I was like looking up about these models and how to fix them and I would always find your video with like this error code. [SPEAKER_08]: That's that's interesting.

[SPEAKER_08]: So when I go to an event like open-source, um, nobody knows who I am except for mainly other creators who've watched my video [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you kind of are like an interesting position in the creator community where you are like, I feel like well known, like you're more famous with YouTubers than you are with the general audience. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, a thousand percent. [SPEAKER_06]: Like everybody knows you. [SPEAKER_08]: I think this is kind of like the network.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: And like, [SPEAKER_08]: meet people. [SPEAKER_06]: Right. [SPEAKER_06]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm trying to help out where I can. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: So it's open sauce and and rattle and aperture provide all the lights for me to bring over and help fix your podcast. [SPEAKER_08]: Because I saw the podcast has been our lights disappeared. [SPEAKER_06]: Open sauce.

[SPEAKER_06]: So we like because we we run so efficiently here at tossed plus an open sauce. [SPEAKER_06]: These podcast cameras get used for like everything. [SPEAKER_06]: And so the lights get turned down, the cameras get turned down, like we're filming the Kevin show, which I don't think has gone out yet. [SPEAKER_06]: No, um, filming the Kevin show, which is like a really shitty late night show with Kevin. [SPEAKER_06]: It's like a really shitty late night show with a really shitty host.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, emphasis on the really shitty. [SPEAKER_06]: And it's like we'll just, you know, use the podcast cameras for that. [SPEAKER_06]: And so the lights just disappeared. [SPEAKER_06]: And they, it's like, okay, what do we do? [SPEAKER_06]: We just kind of set something up, have has related record the podcast. [SPEAKER_06]: And it looks bad and it felt bad. [SPEAKER_06]: And so it was like, hey, you want to help us?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: And so, Amran and after we're gracious enough, I connected them because I reviewed lights for so long. [SPEAKER_08]: I called my guy over there and I was like, hey, this is the situation. [SPEAKER_08]: And they said, yeah, we think we can send you some lights. [SPEAKER_08]: and the boxes is just kind of kept showing up for like weeks and the other picture I'll send it to you guys. [SPEAKER_08]: I was just my whole studio is covered in boxes from Amran and App.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I was able to finally clear out my studio so like I'll be able to grace it back again. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but here's the result. [SPEAKER_08]: Hope it looks good.

[SPEAKER_06]: So I'll be able to then make a video by like it's worth it for aperture and am around to like provide lights because like it you know if they just gave stuff directly to the podcast it's like where's the promo in there right it's like not maybe like the best promotion for them um though I do think we actually have quite a few like a large part of our audience is like aspiring creators yeah and so that's the value and it is uh you know a lot creators watch your podcast a lot of creators go to open

[SPEAKER_06]: But we can't do a podcast episode entirely about life, right? [SPEAKER_06]: And so then you're able to essentially get a video by using their lights, like they provide the lights, you're installing the lights, and then you can have, like, in this case, they like, you're allowed to have another sponsor. [SPEAKER_06]: So like, you have a sponsor on the video.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so I got another sponsor for that video, like basically to take the time for me to come out and do all this. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: And it's a cool kind of opportunity we're able to set up and I'm glad to be here. [SPEAKER_06]: It's not your full-time job. [SPEAKER_08]: No, yeah, I'm a software engineer. [SPEAKER_06]: You just do this for fun. [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. [SPEAKER_06]: Do you have any point was your intent for a debatable time job doing YouTube?

[SPEAKER_08]: I think that like, it kind of was at one point and I did rely on it full time for like a couple of months. [SPEAKER_08]: And I really like being able to run my channel like a business. [SPEAKER_08]: So if I have an expense or something, I want to buy like whether it be a camera or a piece of equipment, I can just take the budget out of the channel and buy it.

[SPEAKER_08]: uh, as to when I was doing it full time, I had to take every dollar that I made and put it towards my mortgage like one of those stuff and it was just like, it was super draining and it was not like a fun thing to do. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: What's the most expensive thing you've got for free? [SPEAKER_07]: It's got to be one of those battery banks. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's probably some of the battery banks. [SPEAKER_08]: It's like the big ones.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, the big house batteries. [SPEAKER_08]: How much does it cost? [SPEAKER_06]: Um, like seven grand and that's They're like the size of a mini crash and and and a sponsored video yeah and they're all sponsored too So it's like see I just I think that's so cool everyone looks at like the biggest YouTube channels And it's like that's what I got to do to like make a crit because I feel like that's still an ambition It's like make my YouTube a lot of people still in it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, I think I'll clear six figures on YouTube this year [SPEAKER_06]: like over the whole duration of for this year, just for the year. [SPEAKER_06]: And that's that sponsorships and free product or include just sponsorship and like what's sort of what's your average views. [SPEAKER_08]: Abizmal. [SPEAKER_06]: No, but that's I think that's so I think that it's such a clear example of like the power of niche and people don't think about it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I have I have a one video I think I told you [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's insane. [SPEAKER_06]: That's like a normal CPM is like $5. [SPEAKER_06]: Is that CP, like, what cost-permulate? [SPEAKER_06]: They cause it's like how much on average, like how much money do you get for a thousand views? [SPEAKER_08]: That, that one video made me $1,000 a month or over a year now.

[SPEAKER_06]: That is a hundred times higher than the ads that, like, anyone else's channel is that like, is it an investing video? [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, what is it? [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: It was art lists. [SPEAKER_06]: Just use it, use it about artless service. [SPEAKER_06]: It's like they were just like they were willing to pay way more for advertising rates. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: That's probably also why they're my most free sponsor on my channel now.

[SPEAKER_08]: They're really a sponsor with a lighting video. [SPEAKER_06]: Nice. [SPEAKER_06]: That is like, that's so interesting to me because I feel like everyone is so focused on like bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger.

[SPEAKER_06]: But I think there might actually be like a ton of opportunity if you just like find that weird nation, like stick to the ground and like be okay with that and like don't try to expand into like a generic audience because that like probably makes it worse at that point. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I get a, it's a little discouraging sometimes to put out like a ton of effort into a video that gets like hardly any views, but like sponsors are happy.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: And I mean, that's like, that's like full time income. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it really is for part time gum. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: That's that's like actually crazy side gig.

[SPEAKER_06]: I remember on YouTube we didn't monetize the videos for the longest time because I was like I'd rather people watch the videos like I always felt personally I try to like, you know when I'm watching YouTube I try to like, you know, oh, there's an ad. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not interested in that. [SPEAKER_06]: I just like would skip before I paid for or no, actually I don't even think you could pay for YouTube back then. [SPEAKER_06]: like 26. [SPEAKER_06]: No, I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_06]: No. [SPEAKER_06]: So you like had to watch ads and awesome. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, I think, but I feel like I just remember maybe, I don't remember my thought process. [SPEAKER_06]: I definitely would have blocked them back then. [SPEAKER_06]: But the idea was like, I think the times you do watch videos with ads, you're like, I'd rather just not watch the video.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so now you can skip the ads, you know, I think before there was like 15 second unskippable ads or something.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't I don't quite remember, but I just I remember at the time I was like how much money is 50,000 views actually going to be like I don't think it's going to be that much and I'd rather people watch the videos and like subscribe and like not put any roadblocks in front of that and I think when we first like I think once we were hitting like 50,000 views of video, we monetized the channel and like the first month we made like $3,000 and I was like holy shit.

[SPEAKER_06]: because we had, you know, we were just like, you know, when you work a normal job in college, you're getting paid, like, I think the most ever got paid was like 16 bucks an hour. [SPEAKER_06]: No, the most ever got paid, I think was 25 an hour. [SPEAKER_06]: And so making like $3,000 in a month for just making YouTube videos was like, yeah, let's go, totally.

[SPEAKER_06]: And, and I feel like, [SPEAKER_06]: 50,000 who's like you really don't need a lot like you don't need a big channel like I've only got like 50,000 subscribers, that's Okay, if you like back that out of like comparing the like numerous subscribers to the kind of like revenue you're able to generate like as a job [SPEAKER_06]: your ratio is really high. [SPEAKER_06]: And if anything, I think might be like a great case study in staying small.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like if you're going to bid, it means you're like MKBHD and the only thing you can review are like phones. [SPEAKER_08]: Feel like people might be, some companies might be afraid to approach large creators. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, they, I mean, some of them probably know that it's about idea.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because it also doesn't make sense, like for me to do a whole review video on one of these battery banks or lighting, you know, just like, right, it's not what I do. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's completely different. [SPEAKER_06]: What are like, what are other things. [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, so you just got into the stuff because you were interested in it. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I did the battery banks for the power reasons, and I wanted to actually make them to my house.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I added solar panels to my backyard, and then I added the battery banks to my garage. [SPEAKER_06]: And this is all videos. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, these are all videos already. [SPEAKER_06]: So you're like, oh my god, this is so good. [SPEAKER_06]: You're like, you're like sort of improving your house with these, like, I would call like productive procrastination projects.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yes. [SPEAKER_06]: Like something you would never do otherwise, and then you're generating income doing that. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I think everybody, I feel like Chelsea has even had these thoughts of like, my mom, my mom talked to us all the time. [SPEAKER_06]: Like, yeah, I could make you two videos and listen to that. [SPEAKER_06]: And it's like, you might maybe like your average person like actually could if they just like stayed in a lane.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, what is something that somebody's like interested in? [SPEAKER_08]: Like, if you did, if you just like reviewed laser cutters, every company that makes the laser cutter would immediately up your inner inbox. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: In your inbox, up your ass. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like all those handheld laser welders something. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, but like what you could you could review a canoe.

[SPEAKER_08]: Just make one video do like with decent production quality. [SPEAKER_08]: You might need lighting to do it. [SPEAKER_08]: Every come and you fan just you make a good video about a canoe and then every single one will be reaching out to you like ASAP. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'm be like ours is better. [SPEAKER_08]: Here's why we'll send it to you. [SPEAKER_08]: Please make a video.

[SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying to think of something in my life where I could like get like way too focused on it and make videos about like I don't know like just equipment like what do you What kind of emails do you think project farm gets. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah, it doesn't do anything, right? [SPEAKER_06]: What do you mean like he couldn't really take sponsorship, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: No, but they might still send him stuff stuff yeah, and he'll say like oh, I'll get a like I'll review your thing once I get to it in the video, but it's not I'm not going to like promote it. [SPEAKER_06]: You think they said I'm like a specially made drill like when do you like do you all send it's a project. [SPEAKER_06]: Wait, yeah, project farm, what does he do he does you've seen project farm.

[SPEAKER_06]: No, okay, project one of my thing is like one of the sort of greatest YouTube channels. [SPEAKER_06]: Like the videos are not like good, but the YouTube channel is great. [SPEAKER_06]: It's perfect. [SPEAKER_06]: It's like it's it's almost the essence of everything you want in a review on it. [SPEAKER_07]: Like maybe a little technical, it slightly technical kind of like tool. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, these experiments are always like kind of like not like they're good enough.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_06]: They're not like super technical, but you know, it's you know that it's all genuine like none of this is cheese like I would say if anything the experiments might like potentially, you know, it's there's no bias and I feel like an experiment being slightly flawed is way better than bias and I feel like this dude basically like he tortures tests everything is like which drill which impact drills the best.

[SPEAKER_06]: And he'll just come up with like five different tests. [SPEAKER_06]: He beats the living shit out of these like impact drivers. [SPEAKER_06]: And then like he doesn't even tell you which one wins. [SPEAKER_06]: And sometimes you can't tell which one won. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, a lot of times. [SPEAKER_08]: You just have to derive it and like watch the video and like yeah, sometimes it's like painfully obvious.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, usually like takes some kind of data like maybe for the impact drive, but he'll have like a force meter Or he'll be like measuring how much power it's drawing and then he'll do like charts of all the tools So like how much power they draw versus how much power they produce kind of thing or how many you know screws you can that with it [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so it's like, it's like five reviews in the same video to give you kind of like a base, you know, overview of like five different brands of this seems like really valuable content. [SPEAKER_06]: So like actually like I bet you that companies have made tens of a millions of dollars off of project farm video. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Like if if one of your products does well.

[SPEAKER_08]: and like several million people see it like first of all how did they find the video is like which impact driver should I guess whatever so what's this video titled it's um oh we could look right now five impact drivers yeah basically something simple like that okay um see project arm because if you search for any one of those five if that video is showing up

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he's got a feeling each of those impact drivers, then probably just pretty well and they're also kind of fast paced videos, too, you know, he doesn't like stick around and he's just constantly screaming a whole time. [SPEAKER_06]: After five years, I finally found the only fuel stabilizer that works. [SPEAKER_06]: So he's got like one, two, three, four, five, six different products are these are the best chains.

[SPEAKER_06]: I've ever tested the most useful tool you've never heard of. [SPEAKER_06]: Like everything this doorbell sees everything so it's like different doorbells over freight tarp shocked me Okay, yeah, so he's not he's not giving it away in the title. [SPEAKER_06]: No, and a lot of times he's really not like an obvious answer You just you can see like you know like it is the D wall. [SPEAKER_06]: You know because I have all D walls. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, I like the wall.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's fun like there's a couple like their nail gun fucking sucks [SPEAKER_08]: There's like empirical evidence. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's like you look at the Dwell impact and like maybe you're like, and you know what it's fine. [SPEAKER_06]: But like I also have like one Milwaukee tool. [SPEAKER_06]: It's the like, no railbies. [SPEAKER_06]: I've got the like the Sphinxer Expander, the Pex tool. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: So I have a Milwaukee battery.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so like I can just, I could buy the Milwaukee impact instead.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but you have more dual batteries, but like what if the dual impact is like shit, you know, and so it's like you can just like watch the video and then also you like do I need like the giant impact, you know, because I remember looking I was like researching because we like need an impact right right here because it's really like, you know, the couple times a year you need a big one is like a huge pan and the ass. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: And. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm selling like watch videos and there's like different duo at ones and they have like the three. [SPEAKER_06]: There's so many different. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's insane. [SPEAKER_06]: They turbo one, the baby one, the mega one and you're like, do I like do I need 1200 foot pounds of like I don't I don't know.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know what the most expensive one isn't always the best one exactly because like it might just straight up be way too big for what you're using it for and it's heavy and you don't it's like a pan and the SD's for like what you actually need to use it. [SPEAKER_07]: What's that little drill you were? [SPEAKER_07]: Oh the harbor freight like many [SPEAKER_06]: He uses it more than his regular job. [SPEAKER_07]: I do.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm telling you that's the best $20 you could spend on a tool. [SPEAKER_06]: It's a little rechargeable, like mini, little like driver. [SPEAKER_06]: It's like a little mini drill drive. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think it has one lithium-ion battery in there. [SPEAKER_06]: It's sick. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's crazy. [SPEAKER_06]: Like every time you use a little battery. [SPEAKER_07]: They last forever, it lasts so long. [SPEAKER_07]: I always forget to charge it.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, then you're screwed. [SPEAKER_07]: You just just buy another one when it dies, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: I have. [SPEAKER_07]: Actually, it hasn't even died. [SPEAKER_07]: I just bought a second one because now I can keep one charging and use the other one. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that sounds like a video you could make on your channel. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: The best harbor phrase. [SPEAKER_08]: That's $20, you'll ever spend at her rate.

[SPEAKER_06]: But I think there's like something really interesting about just getting hyper-focused on something that you like. [SPEAKER_07]: You know what? [SPEAKER_07]: I watched Project Farms video on that. [SPEAKER_06]: You did. [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. [SPEAKER_06]: Like yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: That's where you got it. [SPEAKER_06]: That's where I got it. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm telling you. [SPEAKER_07]: This guy is like, I wanted to hand one here of you to bunch of them and I won with the harbor phrase.

[SPEAKER_06]: project far might be like single handedly like like single digit like gross domestic revenue. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Probably called GDP with the peak gross domestic product productivity like actually like this one man making review videos about like tools and equipment like I bet you moves so much shit. [SPEAKER_06]: But like he can't how could he accept a sponsored segment when his whole thing is supposed to act on lines. [SPEAKER_08]: You can't track that either.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's something that companies are dying to transfer your out is like I watched a video on YouTube. [SPEAKER_08]: Then I'm like I'm going to top of afraid right now. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to buy this thing. [SPEAKER_06]: Does he link? [SPEAKER_06]: He probably does. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm watching. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, like an Amazon affiliate. [SPEAKER_08]: But if you could actually track like the physical but traffic of someone going. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: That would be really interesting. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, he does. [SPEAKER_06]: He's got affiliate Amazon links. [SPEAKER_06]: I would, I would love to know. [SPEAKER_06]: I would love to know what the damage is. [SPEAKER_05]: I bet you I bet you this guy's affiliate. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, really well. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: I know that he can hang a random back when he was like at his peak and he was still doing the YouTube channel.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: He told me that he makes like six big years like a quarter off of a affiliate link. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: And we're doing something wrong. [SPEAKER_07]: I know. [SPEAKER_06]: What's six figures. [SPEAKER_06]: That's nuts and that was years ago. [SPEAKER_07]: That was years ago and he never even does like big ticket items, you know, he's like, oh, here's the laser pointer I used or like, here's a torch.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_06]: No, I think I did affiliate links like years ago and like a couple years ago finally hit the like $100 mark. [SPEAKER_06]: I don't actually even know how you use it. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think I had good luck with it either. [SPEAKER_06]: I couldn't read it until Amazon. [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, of course. [SPEAKER_08]: All the money I make from YouTube is either it was affiliate links before I got into sponsorships.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and then now it's mainly sponsorships. [SPEAKER_06]: That's what honey ended up being, right? [SPEAKER_06]: Like an affiliate link. [SPEAKER_06]: Take my jacket. [SPEAKER_08]: What up? [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: What a, what a devious scheme. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: I knew what it was immediately. [SPEAKER_08]: I work for an advertising company. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm a programmer. [SPEAKER_08]: Like, I was going to build an app to make money.

[SPEAKER_08]: Honey, like basically, [SPEAKER_07]: That's what I was like, I can't believe I got mad at me for just saying like a B. I know after what they were doing, like, come on guys, I didn't do shit. [SPEAKER_07]: I should've read the fine print I guess. [SPEAKER_06]: I never really felt bad about any of that because my honey has so fucked up. [SPEAKER_06]: They made rules about it. [SPEAKER_07]: I can't feel bad if everybody else fell for it, too, you know?

[SPEAKER_07]: Like nobody, literally nobody read the fine print like that. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I do, I don't know, whatever. [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I know, I never do. [SPEAKER_06]: What are we going to do? [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I think that everybody would do the same thing in the situation. [SPEAKER_06]: You're making it to be someone offers to put you money. [SPEAKER_06]: Do they add? [SPEAKER_06]: You would do it. [SPEAKER_06]: I know you would.

[SPEAKER_07]: So you said we can talk about lights for the whole video. [SPEAKER_07]: So what else do you do? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Your stock guy, right? [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: I've invested all of my money into space stock. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: Space stocks are going up. [SPEAKER_06]: Just to the moon. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, Kevin's a prison stock guy, guy.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, hell world yeah, you know, you haven't got to pass in private presence of gambling. [SPEAKER_07]: You're into a like defense and that well, yeah, that's part of the hell world. [SPEAKER_07]: Hopefully, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I mean, space is kind of in this, you know, space superiority and all that. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I put all my available finances into space stocks a year ago in the rough 200 something percent today.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't believe in the stock market. [SPEAKER_08]: What kind of space stocks like, well, I'm like, you want to call it tickers and yeah, yeah, rocket labs is my biggest winner. [SPEAKER_07]: Rocket labs. [SPEAKER_07]: What do they do? [SPEAKER_08]: Well, they make rocket like you make they make the vehicle like is it like one component for like like some kind of sensor they love to run the Yeah, it's like they deliver satellites in the space basically. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: They create you know the vehicle to do that. [SPEAKER_07]: Wow I've never even heard of them. [SPEAKER_08]: I got the electron rocket and then they'll be coming out with the neutron rocket pretty soon Which should take some market pair away from the basic [SPEAKER_07]: Um, but I mean, that's just, and that's cool because you can invest in them and not space X because they're private. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you can't throw it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, if you know how to, uh, other like whatever, uh, like you can get the ETFs or some other fun that includes a lot of space that. [SPEAKER_06]: This is why I prefer like physical assets, like the casual assets, like used farm equipment, gold. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, oh, farm equipment. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, now I feel fucking stupid.

[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, yeah, the tangible asset that you can invest in is, well, you can sell a tractor, other, um, you can grow food when the economy collapses and and farm infrastructure. [SPEAKER_08]: That's a really valid point. [SPEAKER_08]: So do a purpose. [SPEAKER_08]: If you have all the money in the world, but there's food scarcity, you can't buy food, you have to grow it. [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: So the knowledge of how to grow food is more valuable than money at that point. [SPEAKER_06]: We're slowly getting there. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I think you're ahead of the curve. [SPEAKER_08]: You just planted like five million strawberries. [SPEAKER_06]: We did five million strawberries. [SPEAKER_06]: And I hope I pray to God one of them survive. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: I pray. [SPEAKER_07]: He's at a long on straw barrier. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going on on straw structures.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: I just I like I just I hate everything now like investment. [SPEAKER_06]: Why it feels like a scam. [SPEAKER_06]: It feels like a game that we're not playing correctly and I sort of don't feel like good about anything investment or especially after that Bitcoin thing.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: What do we like what what I'm sorry like are there we just aren't even fucking rules anymore Yeah, like how is like what like I am I feel like playing a completely different game We don't stand in a chance. [SPEAKER_06]: You don't stand a chance.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like yeah, at least a casino right you go to the casino And like the well, I say the government the government comes in and they're like what what are the rules at a casino like they're strict right Yeah, you they have to display the odds on the machine right if you count the cards you get kicked out [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, that's because you're trying to put the odds in your favor and relax and it's like that's totally legal though, but they also legally can kick you out.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but like I remember and you ever know a gas station and she's like one of the pumps taking over by like a weird truck with a bunch of like stainless steel cylinders on it. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, like what what's that called what do they call that department units and measurements or something.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so like with like a gas station and you don't you don't think about this until you see it and you're like holy shit, like who makes sure that the gas station equipment is not lying to you. [SPEAKER_04]: Yep. [SPEAKER_06]: Have you seen 10 gallons of gas go into your car ever? [SPEAKER_06]: Like, do you know what 10 gallons even looks like? [SPEAKER_08]: You know, have you ever know a pump that's really fast and a pump that's really slow?

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, have you ever pumped 30 gallons into your 20 gallon tank? [SPEAKER_08]: That's interesting. [SPEAKER_08]: Have you done that? [SPEAKER_08]: No, I'm just saying that that's the point. [SPEAKER_06]: If you buy it back like before there were any rules about this, like that's absolutely what people would do. [SPEAKER_06]: It's like short change your fuel. [SPEAKER_06]: Like if you even feel like change the amount of fuel somebody gets about like a 10.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: So if you get like 10 gallons, you get like only 9 gallons. [SPEAKER_08]: They'll never notice. [SPEAKER_06]: They'll never notice, right? [SPEAKER_06]: Like do my car miles like the mileage I have, you know? [SPEAKER_06]: Like I reset my odometer every time. [SPEAKER_06]: It changes by like tens of miles, depending on how shitty I've been driving recently. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so I would never know that a gas station was shorting me a full gallon of gas.

[SPEAKER_06]: I would have no idea. [SPEAKER_06]: Ah, today, but if I ever was really empty though, and I put like 15 gallons of fuel in my tank, I'd be like, I don't think my tank is that big. [SPEAKER_07]: That's happened to me a few times. [SPEAKER_06]: Really? [SPEAKER_07]: I have 26 gallons. [SPEAKER_07]: I thought I had 25. [SPEAKER_06]: You just don't push it hard enough, which is surprising because Kevin's a guy that I would expect to run out of gas the most.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, my truck, the odometer or like the the trip meter or whatever tells you how much gas you have left You think whatever algorithm that is is so janky. [SPEAKER_07]: It's like you know, it's like I'm driving and I just keep going up and up and up and up and it's like I get for 50 free miles every time I go somewhere And then it crashes down once I'm like literally you'll go from 50 to zero and like two miles think about fuel sensor [SPEAKER_07]: Really?

[SPEAKER_08]: Maybe. [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe. [SPEAKER_06]: You probably have to leave it though because it's going to be a paniest thing. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Like I think that there's a level of like you have to you trust that when you go to the gas station and you buy 10 gallons, you're getting 10 gallons.

[SPEAKER_06]: And when you go to a casino, like you know that you're like the, well, say you know this at heart in your brand, you know that you're going to lose money. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, statistically.

[SPEAKER_08]: you might get lucky and when you write but then if you stay at the casino you're going to keep you're going to lose if you're stupid you think that you might walk away with money well not now you're making me want to put a sensor between the gas pump and my car so I can actually measure well the good news is they do this for you [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, every once in a while that truck comes around from, you know, oh, that's what we were just talking about.

[SPEAKER_07]: And they actually measure it. [SPEAKER_06]: But like you could, you could actually, I think it would be interesting. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you could just get like a five gallon bucket and like measure it out, or weigh the fuel or something. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, or a five gallon gas. [SPEAKER_03]: It probably would be easier.

[SPEAKER_06]: But if you just brought like a car scale with you and you like set it up at the pump and drive out of the car scale and just measure the weight of the fleet. [SPEAKER_08]: That absolutely sounds like the most complicated way to do it. [SPEAKER_06]: You could probably, gosh, could you measure the weight of your car by the pressure inside the tires? [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe. [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe. [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe. [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe. [SPEAKER_08]: The kiss of the tires, really.

[SPEAKER_08]: Also, you have to worry about the temperature. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: I think the temperature of the gas even makes a difference. [SPEAKER_06]: off of volume. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Wait, where is the trigger is just on? [SPEAKER_06]: So if you could like pour liquid oxygen like into the pump like around the super chill the liquid. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Is it better to get gas on a really cold day like first thing in the morning?

[SPEAKER_07]: I wonder if the one I think comes. [SPEAKER_07]: I think they know rap bastards. [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, how could hmm. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's fucked. [SPEAKER_06]: That's actually really interesting. [SPEAKER_06]: Like trying to cheese that like you they figured out everything like how much money they'll spend to make sure the equipment can like handle those collaborations And then some guy will still try to screw you over.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's never about the customers when he's about the bottom line [SPEAKER_06]: Um, but I just makes me think like there's so many things in place because humans are so good at scamming each other, especially when you're kind of blind to it again, a fuel situation that like the that whole crypto dump like the I just I hate everything. [SPEAKER_06]: I like I literally have no enthusiasm. [SPEAKER_06]: for crypto. [SPEAKER_06]: I have no enthusiasm for stocks.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like I genuinely don't like I just like what like index funds or some shit like I don't freaking know like I like everything you look at when you the instant everyone thinks they know it's happening. [SPEAKER_06]: You ever see Wall Street, but that's dude. [SPEAKER_06]: Holy shit. [SPEAKER_06]: What a fucking dump. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, yes. [SPEAKER_06]: Like yeah, dude. [SPEAKER_06]: You'll see straight up.

[SPEAKER_06]: I saw one is like $200,000 and then it's down to like $10,000 and the guy the guy is just like, what do I do? [SPEAKER_08]: Or, like, do you see the screenshots of where they're like, please deposit $2.5 million in your Robinhood account? [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: And it's like, why? [SPEAKER_08]: So I've learned not play with options. [SPEAKER_06]: How did you learn that?

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, to be perfectly honest, I don't believe even understand how that works or like, how you play that game. [SPEAKER_08]: So, well, not to play with options through Robinhood specifically. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so I bought a, because you're a day spy option, a bed and you fuck up.

[SPEAKER_08]: it was almost really bad okay so what is really bad what is almost really bad mean so we like how many zeros I bought an option because I thought that it was going to go above like you know 575 or something wait so what is an option an option is you think the price is going to go up or down [SPEAKER_08]: So calls and puts right calls. [SPEAKER_08]: You think it's going to go up let's you think it's going to go down an option is way described as the smart calls and puts.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, so the option to buy the stock at a price. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so let me 200 shares of the. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, just ask what the purpose is. [SPEAKER_06]: The old. [SPEAKER_06]: This is how I think I understand it. [SPEAKER_06]: If I was an airline. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, and I need to price my tickets out months and advance. [SPEAKER_06]: I would like to have stable fuel prices.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so I'd buy fuel six months out or four months out and then if the price of like I want stable field prices and so I say I'll buy it for $40 a gallon that's a stockpile you're but you stockpile you're fuel, but it's not real fuel. [SPEAKER_06]: It's like you charge into buy the fuel at $40 yes.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then if someone else buys that from me or they participate in the opposite manner, where someone's like, I think fuel prices are going to go down below 40, but if it goes below 40, then the airline will still buy it from you for 40. [SPEAKER_06]: So you pay 30, they pay you 40, the airline doesn't give a shit that they're paying more than market rate because they just want us to build it. [SPEAKER_08]: Right, but you lost me.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think I think that you have it right. [SPEAKER_08]: So if you have an option for 40 so say you will is currently $40 yeah right and you think you if you might call on that you will for $45. [SPEAKER_08]: You think that the price of fuel is going to be going up. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe past 45 dollars. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_06]: So that's what it's meant.

[SPEAKER_08]: So our options that are out of the money is that that's an out of the money option. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: It would be probably very cheap, especially if fuel hasn't moved very much. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: What's the cause you have some information that is going to happen in the future? [SPEAKER_08]: Like, oh, I know that this is going to make people be more expensive than you might want to.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like you know that you're building some sort of machine that uses some sort of chemical and some sort of ignition to that can tear apart metal structures that produce. [SPEAKER_06]: petroleum products. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so you think fuel prices are going to go up a lot. [SPEAKER_08]: Right, so you buy a call on fuel for $45 for five months out. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, and so if the fuel fuel prices go up to $70 or $80.

[SPEAKER_06]: He spent an extra month building a drone, pretty pretty much a pause. [SPEAKER_08]: You still have your option by pre-cursors. [SPEAKER_08]: Option is a contract for the Lysers? [SPEAKER_07]: No, no, you had a divine dream. [SPEAKER_07]: Somebody, Jesus told you that there was going to be an earthquake. [SPEAKER_07]: And he's going to tell you, somebody was going to bomb her up there. [SPEAKER_07]: The Panama Canal was going to explode.

[SPEAKER_07]: He told me and we were going to die. [SPEAKER_06]: God in my life, somebody was going to do more. [SPEAKER_06]: It came down and told me last night to [SPEAKER_06]: None of this is in the rest of your life. [SPEAKER_07]: Go buy it, put no buy calls on oil, right? [SPEAKER_08]: Also do Google search puts versus calls. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I didn't say any of this. [SPEAKER_08]: Anyways, I bought an option for like 100 shares of the spy, yeah, right?

[SPEAKER_08]: And it went like right at the end of the day, it like went up and down really fast, right? [SPEAKER_08]: And so Robinhood automatically like executed my option and bought 100 shares of spy. [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't have, I didn't want to buy 100 shares by it was like all the money in my account.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then like I thought that oh god, no, it's gonna like get tomorrow and then maybe out of my money like I bought like a $10 option and then like I had $70,000 invested all of a sudden. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, where do we have it? [SPEAKER_06]: How does $10 turn the 70,000? [SPEAKER_06]: This is why I hate this shit. [SPEAKER_06]: He's like it's like they tell you not to play with explosives.

[SPEAKER_06]: They're like don't play with fireworks kids growing up and then you like Becoming a doll and you open a robin hit it counting like he's a bomb and we're not gonna tell you that you said so [SPEAKER_08]: If you don't have enough capital in your account to handle the option, you know, doing what it does, then they'll just execute it when they think that they should. [SPEAKER_08]: Like they have the authority to do that. [SPEAKER_08]: It's in their terms and condition.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I, so anyways, I was able to sell all the spy shares or whatever and get my capital back, but I don't buy options anymore. [SPEAKER_08]: I just, I buy stocks and I just hold them. [SPEAKER_06]: Like imagine, like, way, so half of like calls and their options is like, you could, you don't, you don't have to buy it, right? [SPEAKER_06]: Is that it's just the option to buy it? [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you don't, you don't have to execute on the option.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's because like what if you were buying like the whole future through Through when it expires and it's in the money most platforms. [SPEAKER_08]: I guess we'll automatically execute those options Okay, this means I don't know I'm can you this is so this you sell your option?

[SPEAKER_07]: You don't have to use the option you could like get rid of the actual option itself Yeah, but you can do it where you're basically saying oh I I own these shares so I'm going to be selling my my shares [SPEAKER_08]: So I know enough to not mess with options anymore. [SPEAKER_08]: How is this, how is this, like, how it works? [SPEAKER_08]: Like, what the fuck would it get so complicated? [SPEAKER_06]: Like, what if you, it's always been this complicated.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's just these apps have made it easier for people like you. [SPEAKER_06]: Why do they let you and me do this? [SPEAKER_06]: It feels like they shouldn't let you and me do this. [SPEAKER_08]: Because they have, they're, they're able to control their own platforms to their own benefit. [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, is it, would you consider it as mostly basically just gambling? [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: That's sick.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Honestly, now I'm I'm looking at this completely different. [SPEAKER_06]: This is like a fun thing to do. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: It's it's thrilling when you make money. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: I always like the cheapest options I can. [SPEAKER_07]: That's that's right. [SPEAKER_07]: Just like a run on straight into the ground. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, because of beta decay. [SPEAKER_06]: I, okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: So like, all I can think is like, if you were buying like oil futures, whatever that means, um, what, and it, when does the oil actually just like show up to your house? [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, how do you get into that situation? [SPEAKER_08]: The oil never shows up to your house. [SPEAKER_06]: So there's actually no oil. [SPEAKER_08]: No, so you're buying a financial instrument. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so how do you actually get the oil then?

[SPEAKER_06]: Like if I go and Rob, you go to the bio-salture and I say, like, I have oil, where do I pick it up? [SPEAKER_06]: Like, because, right, because you see I'm saying, like, if you buy oil futures, like, that's connected to oil somewhere. [SPEAKER_06]: Like, can I actually go pick it up somewhere? [SPEAKER_08]: See, I didn't dive into futures. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think it's like so being these are like mostly all questions for grants even yeah [SPEAKER_06]: He wouldn't come on this podcast. [SPEAKER_06]: We've never invited him. [SPEAKER_06]: We usually don't have guests. [SPEAKER_06]: There's a very special circumstance. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, well, thank you. [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like I'm learning a lot, though, of what not to do. [SPEAKER_06]: Don't buy options. [SPEAKER_06]: OK. Or don't sell them either.

[SPEAKER_06]: OK. Is there a way to do a very small amount of fake objects? [SPEAKER_06]: Or like how could you just say you're working in a dollar? [SPEAKER_06]: So invest a PDF. [SPEAKER_06]: Any slots? [SPEAKER_08]: I want to invest a PDF as a trading simulator. [SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_06]: It's got to be real. [SPEAKER_06]: But like pennies. [SPEAKER_06]: How do we do penny slots for options? [SPEAKER_07]: you can you can still do that with options.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but you said $10 and then the next number that came out of your 70,000 and that makes me really fucking scared. [SPEAKER_08]: So you can buy options on penny stocks. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. [SPEAKER_06]: And that will never go. [SPEAKER_08]: That generally won't generally. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it's less it's usually going to be less bad if that's what you're playing with. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: Again, not financial advice right.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not like some guru investor guy. [SPEAKER_08]: I just learned to not mess with options. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Why would they sell your, why would they buy the stock? [SPEAKER_07]: Why would they execute the option instead of selling your past? [SPEAKER_07]: They don't want to get stuck with it. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, instead of just like closing out and making you lose $10, why did they decide to?

[SPEAKER_08]: by the option because it was like the end of the day and like the volatility went up a certain amount and they're like, oh, this, if this keeps going at this rate then this guy's not going to have enough money to, you know, [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, whatever. [SPEAKER_06]: So you pay for the option and then you can just like walk away from it. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, if they expire out of the money, then the person that sold the option.

[SPEAKER_08]: So. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, is that another bet? [SPEAKER_08]: Is that a different type of bet? [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: So that's a safer bet. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, my, it's called company. [SPEAKER_06]: They're bets all the way up the chain. [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. [SPEAKER_06]: So this is the stock market. [SPEAKER_06]: One, that's like the baseline. [SPEAKER_08]: So what you can do is it's all in the stock market.

[SPEAKER_08]: So covered calls are where you have a like, so it's different. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's kind of the same. [SPEAKER_08]: So if you have a hundred shares of something, how deep are you in this? [SPEAKER_08]: Everything. [SPEAKER_08]: So no, but I'm not negative. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: So if you have a hundred shares of the supermarket, you can sell, yeah, what? [SPEAKER_08]: You can sell a covered call, which is like, so then you sell the call.

[SPEAKER_06]: So is there such thing as a naked call? [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, this like naked shorts, naked calls and so covers the opposite of that. [SPEAKER_08]: Covered calls means that you have a hundred shares, right? [SPEAKER_08]: So someone buys an option from you, the seller, you know, and say the stock price balloons tomorrow, way past exit, you know, the strike price, you then have to sell your hundred shares at that option price to the buyer.

[SPEAKER_08]: And you just lose your shares at the price you agreed on plus the so you lose the difference in the budget gain the premium for selling that call right so when you see people selling calls you know $10 dollars above the strike price for like $1,000 next week if the stock price doesn't move you just made $1,000 and you still have your shares and you never they you never transacted any stock right that's literally gambling it's yeah it's all gambling.

[SPEAKER_07]: But then there's also people that will buy puts on it and then you can make money that way too. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: So you can bet on it down. [SPEAKER_06]: You can bet on it going up. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. [SPEAKER_06]: So if you made the exact number of puts and calls the same, would you lose money? [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's the straddle. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure. [SPEAKER_06]: So is there a cost to doing this?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, you can buy a call that cost you money. [SPEAKER_08]: You can sell a call that gives you money. [SPEAKER_08]: You can do a cash secured put and like that's where you bet on it going down, but you have the cash in your account. [SPEAKER_06]: Is there like calls and puts on calls and puts? [SPEAKER_06]: Does this go deeper? [SPEAKER_06]: It's like booze and cats. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this is like we need like a second differential.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, if you go on Robinhood and you play with like the options, you know, just just look at it. [SPEAKER_07]: It'll show you like, okay, if it goes up, if the stock price goes up, this much, this is how much money you're going to gain for this option. [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, sometimes it's like the upside is infinite. [SPEAKER_08]: You know, like, if this stock could, that's how they get going up, that's how it gets you with their beautiful interface.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like, oh, if I just buy 100 options for $10 tomorrow and the stock price goes up $10, I'll just, I'll be a millionaire. [SPEAKER_07]: Do you think that would be a millionaire? [SPEAKER_07]: Because it would never, ever do that. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Robinhood would be less successful if their corporate color scheme was red instead of green. [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, I don't know. [SPEAKER_08]: I think that the color scheme has something to do with it. [SPEAKER_08]: Interesting.

[SPEAKER_08]: Why did they pick green you think? [SPEAKER_08]: Um, because green is the color of money. [SPEAKER_06]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_06]: For April Fool's Day, they should like switch the tick. [SPEAKER_06]: Whoa. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, hang on. [SPEAKER_08]: If your if your trades are losing money, that part of the interface is red.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so I think I don't, I don't like, I do like the idea of the penny stocks, but I feel like if I even go down that red, then I think I'll understand how it works, and then that's how you lose like money. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's not, have you made more money like playing the stock market or working? [SPEAKER_08]: Um, I mean, working. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: like I've I had some money to invest and I invested in the stock market learned not to do options.

[SPEAKER_08]: Just put it into shares. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: They say a saying I heard is the most valuable brokerage accounts are those of bad people's because they never they don't sell their theirs. [SPEAKER_08]: They just have chairs that are worth a bunch of money and keep going up. [SPEAKER_08]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_08]: Because you know the stock market usually historically has always gone down. [SPEAKER_08]: And that should keep going. [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: So just leave it invested for the most safe outcome is my is my thinking. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: I have literally always made money on options. [SPEAKER_07]: But then I never sell when I should and it I run it into the ground. [SPEAKER_07]: So every single time it's like money money money money and I'm like, oh, I'm just going to wait it out and then it just crashes. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_07]: Every time.

[SPEAKER_06]: Have you considered. [SPEAKER_07]: I don't spend a, you know, it's only like $2,000 total and then I decided I'm not going to do it ever again. [SPEAKER_06]: That's good. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: But I feel like for you to come to conclusion, it was probably pretty brutal. [SPEAKER_07]: I just I can't I'm I'm probably too emotional with it. [SPEAKER_07]: I guess I need to be more like I just have to sell it when I Engineering is a little bit better.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think more people would invest or gamble their mind in the stock market Like they just they need to like drip a little bit more like a casino like you got a sort of like yeah Yeah, well, I heard that people are like Especially younger people because they can't buy houses instead they're putting all their savings. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah [SPEAKER_06]: Like, why would you even begin to save for a house if you feel like you're if it's going to take you 400 years to do it?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, why even bother saving at that time? [SPEAKER_06]: Why bother? [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I bought my house in 2012. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Right. [SPEAKER_08]: And the house has basically doubled in value. [SPEAKER_08]: But I invested in the market one year ago. [SPEAKER_08]: And that has found up 200%. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but when's the last time that the housing market went down 150%. [SPEAKER_06]: God, okay. [SPEAKER_06]: That's a good question, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_06]: Feel like housing market is a little bit less, what's volatile, volatile, yeah, perhaps. [SPEAKER_06]: I think like a long time ago or like 2018, I, this is like early Tesla. [SPEAKER_06]: I was at early Tesla for like Tesla, not like about early Tesla. [SPEAKER_06]: I remember people being so negative about Tesla back then. [SPEAKER_06]: And I felt that was really weird. [SPEAKER_06]: In like 2018, 20, maybe 17. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, you were big in Tesla.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: And I had a friend that worked there on the autopilot team. [SPEAKER_06]: And so like we got to see like he would, they would drive the cars around and so he would like come down and they just take a company car and log miles on like new builds. [SPEAKER_06]: And so we got to see like early autopilot and I just like I was like this is so cool. [SPEAKER_06]: It almost killed us, but that's okay. [SPEAKER_06]: I made like a left turn and not going to think.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, this is so cool. [SPEAKER_06]: Like this really is like the coolest thing I've ever seen. [SPEAKER_08]: I remember you telling me that the next time you buy a car, it's going to be one that drives itself. [SPEAKER_08]: That'll be the car you have forever. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: And I feel like back then I made a decision that was like a gut decision of like, I think this is really fucking cool.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so I rented one for a week off of like Taro. [SPEAKER_06]: And I drove that that Tesla around and the dude was just like excited to rent his Tesla. [SPEAKER_06]: And he was like, here he used my affiliate thing because they were like, would give rewards for like, [SPEAKER_06]: And I, you know, we drove the surfaces going back and we got back.

[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, man, I am never going to stop thinking about that car every time I get into my like old piece of shit station again. [SPEAKER_06]: And so we bought one and I. [SPEAKER_06]: just could not get over the fact that like the news was so negative, like boomers are so negative about it. [SPEAKER_06]: There's the whole like EV thing and the range thing and I was like this car is sick. [SPEAKER_06]: And the charging network is sick. [SPEAKER_06]: Like I love this.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like I've had zero problems with this. [SPEAKER_06]: Like it only feels good. [SPEAKER_06]: Like I can charge my, I can fuel my car about home. [SPEAKER_06]: Like this is awesome. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: And so I bought Tesla stock. [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that I think I like I bought like $12,000 of Tesla stock. [SPEAKER_06]: And that turned into, I think, in a couple of years, like $150,000. [SPEAKER_06]: Anyways, that's how we paid for year one opens us.

[SPEAKER_06]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_08]: I remember you telling me, like, you just started to get absurd and so you find this old. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, we had, it was like, I had to, I had to fill the gap of year one opens us and so. [SPEAKER_07]: I thought it was actually just going to crash, I'm like, you know, because their estimate profit earning is like, what do they call that the, um, like how much the stock is like valued at versus their income.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it's a helmet. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, but, you know, it's like 750X is like, yeah, I've heard it can't go down. [SPEAKER_07]: So I sold it because I thought, oh, it's crashing everybody realizes that it's like way overvalued and inflated. [SPEAKER_07]: And it's so I sold when it was like 270 and it's at 430 again now. [SPEAKER_07]: But, I mean, I still reinvest of that back and other things, so I don't.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I think that there's something going on with this archer aviation company. [SPEAKER_08]: They make the electronic vertical takeoff. [SPEAKER_07]: Ooh, that sounds quite good. [SPEAKER_07]: I just couldn't handle watching the Tesla stocks always doing this, and my heart can't take a dude. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm glad that I'm out. [SPEAKER_07]: That's what I got out at the bottom. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: It's closer to your hands. [SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: They do electric aircraft like telecopter type things not telecopter details like so. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah It's like the next generation of helicopter It's just they're all electric and they have a whole bunch of Pelers because that's like really fucked I did the math exactly once on that and it's really bad It's like drones that carry people basically.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's the map is really bad On electric aviation especially a hub companies [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I think it's like the higher they are in altitude, the more efficient they become as opposed to like, yes. [SPEAKER_07]: Also more propellers, more efficient. [SPEAKER_06]: Do they do versus a lesser? [SPEAKER_06]: Less blades is more efficient. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. [SPEAKER_06]: I think more points are failure.

[SPEAKER_08]: Or less, less points of, if one propeller goes, you can still like fly though, as opposed to like a helicopter if that propeller goes. [SPEAKER_07]: So they, so this is like what was your stock called? [SPEAKER_07]: Which what's one the one that you just said archer archer aviation. [SPEAKER_07]: How did you find this? [SPEAKER_08]: Wall Street bits It was a year ago, though. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: This is a year ago to go up or down.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's gone up like a lot Yeah, like how much is a lot Well, let me see in six months. [SPEAKER_08]: It's gone up I'm not the person who you're giving financial advice. [SPEAKER_07]: No, it's okay. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my gosh. [SPEAKER_07]: I don't like this one [SPEAKER_06]: I take on my financial business three buds. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, one year, it like basically ping pongs between $10 and $5.00. [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I'm about 80%. [SPEAKER_06]: That's crazy.

[SPEAKER_06]: That like doesn't happen. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, rocket labs, I'm a 333% where did that one color round turns out Wall Street bets too? [SPEAKER_06]: Good. [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I didn't what's going on over a waffle. [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't just don't that Wall Street bet stocks. [SPEAKER_08]: I also looked into the companies and what they were doing. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: Like you can't just look at a ticker on Wall Street bets and invest.

[SPEAKER_08]: You'll lose your money. [SPEAKER_08]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know how this became like an investment podcast. [SPEAKER_08]: I just, I think it's interesting. [SPEAKER_06]: I think that like I have never, okay, this is so embarrassing. [SPEAKER_06]: The first time I ever went gambling when I turned 18, there's like a casino up and forth for most. [SPEAKER_06]: Like a reservation one so there's no alcohol and you can be 18.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, we played black check and I was like, I'm good at this. [SPEAKER_06]: And so I went back like a couple weeks later and I lost 60 bucks and I was like, I felt so bad. [SPEAKER_06]: And I feel like my first experience with the stock market was like buying a thing that I felt really good about at the time. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not as excited about Tesla anymore. [SPEAKER_06]: I huge you on Fanna. [SPEAKER_06]: The car sucks though.

[SPEAKER_06]: Fuck, and I feel like I don't have any enthusiasm towards anything right now. [SPEAKER_06]: And so I'm like, okay, like, what do you, what, what, what? [SPEAKER_06]: Like, is it better to just, you know, even think about it? [SPEAKER_06]: Not think about it. [SPEAKER_06]: Do some indexing where you don't have to think about it. [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I just, there's something, like, if you have to do research on a stock that you're buying, it feels like maybe a bad idea.

[SPEAKER_06]: How many of your stocks have done poorly? [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, two out of like the 10. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. [SPEAKER_06]: That's good. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and it's not super poorly. [SPEAKER_08]: I think it'll come back. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just, I mean, my challenge is I want to hold all the stock for 10 years until you're dead. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I helped to live longer than 10 years. [SPEAKER_06]: But you just said that most valuable portfolios are dead people.

[SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah, it would be more valuable if I died today and just never touched it. [SPEAKER_06]: So if you're telling me that if I make the sort of ultimate decision that my portfolio, the ultimate sacrifice for my family and [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure what kind of advice that is. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you should do. [SPEAKER_07]: We should take a thousand dollars, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Put it into Robinhood and let the comments choose what you know what Michael, what do you do?

[SPEAKER_06]: What do you do? [SPEAKER_06]: What do you want to do? [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Michael's fish, you know, best. [SPEAKER_07]: All right, guys, I'll tell you what I'll do. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to spend $1,000 on options. [SPEAKER_07]: So just tell me what to buy it. [SPEAKER_07]: What are we seeing? [SPEAKER_06]: No, well, options. [SPEAKER_06]: They're going to try to lose your money. [SPEAKER_07]: No, stocks are too slow.

[SPEAKER_07]: They want to find out by next week if we made money or not. [SPEAKER_06]: Wait, if they tell you to buy their options, there's no way they could buy bad options because when you buy something, it always goes to opposite. [SPEAKER_06]: So if they buy something to try to get you lose money, you will make money. [SPEAKER_07]: The inverse Kevin in first Kevin. [SPEAKER_07]: It's real. [SPEAKER_07]: That's a real thing. [SPEAKER_08]: So you can bet with or against him.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, this is really bad. [SPEAKER_07]: So somebody's going to tell me to buy these options and then they're going to be the one selling me the options and they're going to make a bunch of money. [SPEAKER_08]: That could happen. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: When is this air? [SPEAKER_08]: In like a week. [SPEAKER_08]: A couple of weeks. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. [SPEAKER_08]: So you have time to plan.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: I think we could what website let you do the like practice talk. [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, I think there's an investor pedia. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's the pedia. [SPEAKER_06]: You have a trade similarly. [SPEAKER_06]: It teaches you how you know what? [SPEAKER_06]: I bet you I'm going to go into that and make a billion dollars.

[SPEAKER_08]: You start with a hundred thousand dollars in your account and you turn into my investor pedia account is like at half a million now. [SPEAKER_06]: Really? [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: I just put it on the rocket labs. [SPEAKER_08]: I just copy by real strategy, is it? [SPEAKER_06]: Can you set the date into the future? [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, you can buy options. [SPEAKER_07]: They're like, can you like, so you can just like go like next day next day kind of thing?

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so then I can like see where that goes and then make decisions today in the real stock market. [SPEAKER_06]: Wait, no, you can't see in the future. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, I was just saying maybe they figured that out. [SPEAKER_07]: No, but there are things like that where like simulates a stock market and you can just kind of like play around with it. [SPEAKER_08]: Please don't lose it. [SPEAKER_06]: No, I want.

[SPEAKER_06]: All I know is that I think working hard is the only way to make money in life and sometimes you get lucky. [SPEAKER_06]: If you feel really good about something, they're really good about something. [SPEAKER_06]: That's the only advice I would ever give to somebody finance, if you think it's a really good thing and everyone else thinks it's shitty, it probably eventually will change. [SPEAKER_07]: That's why I'm all in on private presents.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Fuck. [SPEAKER_08]: I think I think that like we're going that way. [SPEAKER_08]: That's, that's a solid pick. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Is it bad to invest in private presents? [SPEAKER_06]: So you shut up. [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know what I'm just saying. [SPEAKER_06]: Is it like a hate to play or not the hate to play or not the game? [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I bought a lot of military and drone stuff too.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but if you think it's going to go up, are you not allowed to do it? [SPEAKER_08]: Are you not allowed to profit off of the misery of others? [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I'm just saying, like, maybe that's a different problem. [SPEAKER_07]: What about, um, I have no idea how it works. [SPEAKER_07]: Does my money go into their pockets or something? [SPEAKER_08]: Um, they, so do I just take money when somebody shares to buy it when their shares gain a lot of value?

[SPEAKER_08]: They can use that to raise additional capital. [SPEAKER_08]: They can, they can issue like new shares and dilute it a little bit. [SPEAKER_08]: Um, they can sell their own shares if they have a huge holding. [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, yeah, so I mean, their stock price goes up and they hold a significant portion of it. [SPEAKER_06]: I think what you want to do is buy enough stock that you can be on the board and then you can help make the bad decisions.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: You're like, let's give them less water. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: And more uncomfortable beds. [SPEAKER_08]: All right. [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe we talk about the most unethical prison running decisions. [SPEAKER_06]: Um, they all have to share one toilet or it's like a trough. [SPEAKER_06]: It's like a channel in the ground with water flowing through it.

[SPEAKER_06]: Isn't that like the dirty water from the showers to yeah, to [SPEAKER_06]: You guys have thought about this already. [SPEAKER_06]: No, these are all on the fly right now and then we could make them work for no money and then we can use the output of their labor for profit like manufacturing like I don't know like license place or something like that. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: That would be sick. [SPEAKER_06]: I think you're just describing normal prisons.

[SPEAKER_08]: Fuck! [SPEAKER_06]: What about furniture or something? [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, of course, you're not going to spend money on furniture. [SPEAKER_08]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's why we have them make the furniture. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and then build it out of play. [SPEAKER_07]: How do you spell it? [SPEAKER_06]: Bell and furniture. [SPEAKER_08]: Play is free. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, else could we have the prisoners do, um, we could have them fight wildfires. [SPEAKER_06]: You could have them fight each other and fight each other. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: kick. [SPEAKER_07]: Um, got all the evidence taken. [SPEAKER_07]: Generate electricity by carrying buckets of water up to the top of the prison and like hooking the monster chain. [SPEAKER_08]: That's actually, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: It's like kind of a good idea.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: And they like all converting manual labor and school. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, they don't have to carry it. [SPEAKER_06]: They just have to, they have to get on to the. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, and just like write it down. [SPEAKER_06]: Write it down. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's true. [SPEAKER_08]: But if they carried water, they'd have more math. [SPEAKER_06]: That's to make them more harder. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they get tired.

[SPEAKER_07]: They generate more energy for the company You just need them more food, you know, because they're gonna.

[SPEAKER_06]: No But then they're fatter and they have more potential energy wrong No, we just use the water for that because the water we can keep you know, keep using okay more water profit I think we want to we want the prisons to be full at all time So we need we need to incentivize arresting more people [SPEAKER_07]: Um, when I was in college, I took a business class and my professor had this question for us. [SPEAKER_07]: It was, uh, that you run a hot dog stand. [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: What's the, what's the best number of hot dogs to have in, in your stand at the end of the day. [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, I mean, wrong. [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, probably not zero. [SPEAKER_06]: It's probably like some got. [SPEAKER_06]: I could imagine that if you don't have enough hot dogs in there. [SPEAKER_06]: People will stop buying them. [SPEAKER_07]: That means you ran out. [SPEAKER_06]: It means you ran out.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so, Yeah, Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: The whole thing is just some stupid thought. [SPEAKER_07]: It is kind of like you want one laugh. [SPEAKER_06]: that you don't have any extra into or it doesn't matter because you just put the lid on it turn the burner off let's put a timer on it and so it turns on at like 8 a.m. or whenever this starts something hot dogs you don't have to be at the booth at all you just want to warm hot dog we don't need to know how old it is.

[SPEAKER_07]: So you always want one extra prisoner, just wandering around. [SPEAKER_07]: Waiting for a cell. [SPEAKER_06]: What are the ways to make my farming? [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I was doing that I was doing. [SPEAKER_02]: In my life, it's my life. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm my child. [SPEAKER_02]: I love you. [SPEAKER_02]: You want me to do in the podcast, we're talking about how to profit off the prison system. [SPEAKER_02]: That a good idea.

[SPEAKER_02]: Would we profit more if we gave prisoners less food or more food? [SPEAKER_02]: I love you. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: You know about okay. [SPEAKER_02]: And then second one what time you need your sister to come help tomorrow. [SPEAKER_05]: Um, this is the public episode of the podcast by the way. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: I love you. [SPEAKER_02]: I love you. [SPEAKER_02]: Bye. [SPEAKER_02]: I love you. [SPEAKER_03]: I love you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Bye. [SPEAKER_03]: I love you. [SPEAKER_07]: I love you. [SPEAKER_07]: I love you. [SPEAKER_07]: I love you. [SPEAKER_06]: It's really helping for her input, the prison system. [SPEAKER_06]: So we planted the form of strawberry plants, right? [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: And it sucked. [SPEAKER_06]: It took like five hours. [SPEAKER_06]: The soil wasn't moist enough.

[SPEAKER_06]: So I was like using the auger on the drill, like drill a hole, and then it would hit the hard dirt. [SPEAKER_06]: And [SPEAKER_06]: I was thinking, like, how many strawberries does each plant make and I'm like, looking online, it's like, I don't know, it was like, 20. [SPEAKER_06]: 20. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_06]: Apparently like starry plants like keep going to so you could just leave them. [SPEAKER_06]: They don't deter them out.

[SPEAKER_07]: Can you like just once they're done, can you cut them? [SPEAKER_07]: Like, put all the leaves off and they grow bad. [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks. [SPEAKER_06]: So you're supposed to like go on and trim them, like the runners and stuff. [SPEAKER_06]: Um, you guys think you can take the runners and then plant new ones, which is I'm pretty sure what I planted was right.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and so if it's like 20 strawberries like how many strawberries are in a tub like 20 And who's that cost eight dollars like eight five. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, more than that. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, what's what's a banana cost and dollars. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think bananas are like. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they're more than $10. [SPEAKER_06]: And ends are actually ridiculously cheap. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they're like the cheapest fruit.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think [SPEAKER_06]: They're like in the towns of South, it's insane, and they're all shit, it's insane. [SPEAKER_06]: Good fruit, too. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: They're all, they're like literally all shit been over here. [SPEAKER_08]: But have you ever had like a fresh, grown strawberry? [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, they're awesome. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: So, so different than what you get in the stores. [SPEAKER_06]: So how much money?

[SPEAKER_06]: Like if it's, because 400 strawberry plans was like a lot of work. [SPEAKER_06]: And you have to water them and you have to maintain them and you're going to lose some of them and you have to go and pick all the strawberries like so that's hypothetically like what 400 boxes is a strawberry 400 times eight that's thirty two hundred dollars. [SPEAKER_06]: that seems like super shitty for how much work. [SPEAKER_06]: And then that's not even like here's $3,200.

[SPEAKER_06]: Here's $3,200 total. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: So you have to then count the water against that. [SPEAKER_06]: You have to count the cost of the strawberry plants against that. [SPEAKER_06]: The cost of the labor to plant them. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, sitting at the farm market right selling them packaging them. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, all life cycle. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, and you have to do it all. [SPEAKER_07]: You have to sell all of them in like a week.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I'm sorry, are these soberies actually going to make like a negative money? [SPEAKER_06]: Like, probably at this point, like, I don't even know. [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know how much to water them. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but like, but you can't look at it. [SPEAKER_08]: Like a for profit exercise on such a small scale. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the 400 is like, [SPEAKER_06]: is definitely like, it's enough to be a problem for me.

[SPEAKER_08]: How much did it cost you to plant the strawberries? [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, my hourly rate is like $15,000 an hour and I spent five hours. [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, like we're like we got back to the beginning in the beginning of the episode, it's like if you have all the money in the world, yeah, others who's scarcity, right, you need to have food not money. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and so like, you know, it becomes worth it if there's like a shortage of strawberries.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, or you won't really good strawberries. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, full of bugs because you don't know how to pass the site. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean bugs are protein sure like so if I like how many strawberries do you have to grow in order for it to even make any sense at that point, but even then it's like a kind of a linear problem right like there's not like a

[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, I don't know what five acres of strawberries that's probably like at kind of the like at like the lowest cost like it's not going to get much lower cost for a hundred acres right and so even if you had some machine I know this is like a thing with the developers like you have this robot that just works for free right that can pick strawberries like so you come in and you don't have to like scale your labor up or spend more time or pay more people because like if you have.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know, if you have an acre of strawberry, acre of strawberries, you need to hire like 10 times you amount of labor to pick 10 acres of strawberries. [SPEAKER_06]: Or you just buy 10 robots. [SPEAKER_06]: Or buy 2, we buy 10 robots. [SPEAKER_06]: They probably just like 1 robot. [SPEAKER_08]: I think that's the whole thing about Tesla stock, right? [SPEAKER_08]: Like the kind of way to robots.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think I think I think Tesla stock is like maybe a little bit more religious at this point and I think it actually might be a thing that it like has to be worth that much because Maybe everything's leveraging it so I'm not a stock expert, but I feel like it's one of those things where it's a pillar that you know that open source software meme where it's like one guy and Montana that's like supporting up this entire like modern software ecosystem.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think Tesla might have a little bit of energy where it has to be worth like whatever how many trillions of dollars is it one trillion and I don't actually know

[SPEAKER_06]: Think about that something like that it like has to be worth that and if it's not worth that It's really bad will happen So so you're saying that you need a minimum acreage of strawberries in order for it to like break even Yeah, and so like 400 strawberries is like obviously not it But I think that like 400's enough where you can kind of like start to smell like how much it's gonna cost the scale Yeah, yeah, because like it would take you like how long would it take you to pick 400 strawberry plants like I don't know like a quarter of a day for one person

[SPEAKER_06]: It took me like four hours to plan to I don't know. [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I've grown strawberries twice in my little backyard garden. [SPEAKER_07]: I also think it's like it's not a one day thing.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's like you're going to be out there every day for like two weeks kind of just like getting some plans aren't going to be ready others are going to be like, yeah, ready to go and so it's going to be like a daily effort to like maintain, picking the right amount of strawberries to the rest of the plank and fruit. [SPEAKER_07]: And also think about it, do you remember when we went to that like the compost facility they told us how much they sold the lemons for the farmers?

[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: You're like two cents for lemon. [SPEAKER_06]: That's crazy. [SPEAKER_07]: It's just what farmers sell like sell them for wholesale. [SPEAKER_07]: So those strawberries that you grow on a huge farm are only going to be. [SPEAKER_07]: You know, not $8 per 20. [SPEAKER_07]: It's going to be like, you know, how a buck or less. [SPEAKER_07]: How does anything work? [SPEAKER_07]: I have no idea. [SPEAKER_07]: I don't understand.

[SPEAKER_08]: So the only way I think it would work is if you like me to brand thing as a creator like Uncle Willie's wild [SPEAKER_08]: Not just for the meme, it's probably delicious, and they can't get anywhere else. [SPEAKER_06]: If they bought gamer grilled bathwater, they better be fucking ready to buy actual strawberries or like some strawberry products. [SPEAKER_07]: It's pool shock organic. [SPEAKER_06]: I think so. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: If you say it is.

[SPEAKER_06]: You've done his hydraulic fluid again. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Come on. [SPEAKER_06]: The ground. [SPEAKER_06]: Back from back to the earth from. [SPEAKER_06]: Like, how much? [SPEAKER_06]: Like, how do you? [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I've been watching much of like the soybean videos recently. [SPEAKER_06]: And you like, do you ever seen one of those tractors? [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, shit, they, I don't know, they look so fucking expensive. [SPEAKER_06]: They can blow down.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's, it's actually crazy. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they're like 100 feet wide to do something. [SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_06]: In one of the news stories, like the guy had the, like, the thing, like, the disk, whatever the hell the giant, like, cylinder, the big, choppy blade thing that, like, actually like, mows everything on a special trailer has a special trailer.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then it gets, I think, maybe it can do, like, the machine, the combine can do, like, multiple types of plants and so it's, like, different drums or something. [SPEAKER_06]: And so it's like, it's got to be like 32 feet wide. [SPEAKER_06]: They're like straight up mowing down, like 32 feet of like, it's like a whole ass motorhome long of soybeans that, yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: Imagine driving a car at like maybe, I don't know, five miles an hour through a field and everything it hits gets harvested. [SPEAKER_06]: 32 feet. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's like magic dude. [SPEAKER_06]: It's like a video game. [SPEAKER_06]: But what the fuck?

[SPEAKER_06]: And it's like feeling the back of it with Yeah, it has like its own buffer and then it like dumps into like a dump truck separate truck that drives along next to it And then it doesn't stop it keeps going feeling it's internal buffer and so like yeah They literally don't stop driving and like some of those dudes like one of the guys was saying he was gonna lose like $90 an acre something like that and he's a thousand acres [SPEAKER_06]: Whoa.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: And so like that's how insanely like like seen the margin is like if it's like the price shifts by like a dollar, it like destroys the whole economy. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: So I know I guess farmers ensure their crops too. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: And I think some of them will just like let their crop go bad. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Or just for the insurance because they'll make more money with insurance. [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Then they will selling the crop. [SPEAKER_06]: Why did they, why did they dump the lemons at the recycling place? [SPEAKER_06]: They were the ugly lemons. [SPEAKER_06]: A little bit of boat. [SPEAKER_06]: They couldn't sell them or it was like they didn't have enough time to sell them. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think it was that they were ugly and that [SPEAKER_07]: I think it was like a price fixing thing because they don't yeah, they don't want to saturate the market.

[SPEAKER_06]: So they have these lemons that like either don't get sold and they don't want to do anything with them because then they like have an influx like if the demand isn't high enough to buy them. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, like the literally lose money if they start selling if the price drops. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_08]: So the price can't go to achieve a sour equilibrium. [SPEAKER_06]: You see exactly. [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's like perfect sweet citric acid equilibrium where. [SPEAKER_06]: they grow more than the demand and they only sell to the demand and they never sell. [SPEAKER_06]: They do not increase the supply past the current demand. [SPEAKER_06]: And so they literally, they truck these lemons, like semi-trucks full of lemons to the agricultural, like to the yardways center, and they get processed and turned into compost. [SPEAKER_06]: That's well.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like that's crazy and like it makes sense right like why like oh you have all this extra food, but if you like dump the food into the system like it screws there is like literally nowhere else to put those lemon They can't do anything yeah screws everything up for them and it's like okay, well, like yeah, maybe there's some Like some government cheese came from right like they had too much dairy and so they like made or like what the hell happened government cheese

[SPEAKER_06]: You know, the, you know, a little bit, you know, I heard that I don't even know, actually, the government cheese was cheese at the government. [SPEAKER_06]: Give you like literally, they would give you cheese and where would you get the cheese?

[SPEAKER_06]: Um, you might remember to get up or they'd, yeah, I mean, what do they like, well, like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're

[SPEAKER_06]: They would store they like they had like way too much milk and I don't I don't remember why it's like why we still do we still have too much dairy so then like it's it's in our best interest to have too much dairy right because if we have too much dairy what happens if something goes wrong we still have dairy right if you have just enough dairy which is kind of like what I guess the market dictates.

[SPEAKER_06]: then if something goes wrong all of a sudden you have a it's really close to a dairy shortage and so you like you like take taxpayer dollars that wouldn't normally buy milk and you use it to buy milk because that keeps like the dairy market stable like more than stable so it's like kind of robust like this all makes sense to me like in the form of a subsidies like you give them extra money to make sure that the production is always above what you need so that if there's a problem you still have you know it's like having a savings account.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's, it's the food supply. [SPEAKER_06]: Right. [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's like, it's, yeah, saying these account for your food supply, you like, you stimulate the industry a little bit more than it naturally is to make it more robust. [SPEAKER_06]: And so they like, for whatever fucked up reason had like a shit ton of milk, and they're like, what do we do with this milk?

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, it was like apparently such a big problem that couldn't even, like, you can't get rid of it because like, where do you dump it in the ocean or something? [SPEAKER_06]: And so they turn in the cheese, like really shitty cheese and they like stuck it into mountains.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think maybe they like to figure out how to make like the cheese like forever and so it just like became like a thing where it was just like you'd get free cheese because you think you know you taxpayer is basically paid for it. [SPEAKER_06]: Wow. [SPEAKER_06]: And the government like was able to stabilize it. [SPEAKER_06]: She helped make it shelf stable and then stored it in caves. [SPEAKER_07]: in caves.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I heard that there was like an absurd amount of cheese and caves. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, is it still? [SPEAKER_06]: Do we still have caves? [SPEAKER_06]: Probably. [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think it's as much. [SPEAKER_06]: I think there was some first guy. [SPEAKER_06]: John, is there? [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you want to look up why we have government cheese? [SPEAKER_06]: Like, why did we end up at some point in time with way too much?

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I know that there's, I'm pretty sure there still is like a national, like, dairy strategic reserve. [SPEAKER_07]: Because it stores so well, they just dehydrate it. [SPEAKER_07]: So there's like powdered, like, you know, yeah, tons of it, you know, like right next to all the extra oil that we have and stuff like that. [SPEAKER_06]: Like the same facility. [SPEAKER_06]: Probably, you know.

[SPEAKER_06]: The extra good waste, like being irradiated constantly keeps it going fairly. [SPEAKER_06]: You could do raw milk next to like the nuclear storage site. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: And just constantly irradiating. [SPEAKER_06]: Would it stay fresh forever? [SPEAKER_07]: It would actually probably get to a point where it's like degrading the protein. [SPEAKER_06]: Like it's destroying, it's ripping apart the molecules. [SPEAKER_06]: What would it turn into?

[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, it would like, oh my god, like decompose it with nuclear energy. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, probably. [SPEAKER_06]: Like the same thing that happens when bacteria eats it, like, what would it, would it turn in the methane? [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, probably not. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, something that's like nasty smelly stuff. [SPEAKER_07]: Or you, yeah, you try to act on the picture. [SPEAKER_06]: Radioactive cheese.

[SPEAKER_06]: A bunch of cheese wheels got it really looks like actual cheese. [SPEAKER_06]: Apparently it's like not good or like, okay, maybe it's not quite. [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it was made out of, yeah, what was just what was the gist of like where why they had so much extra milk? [SPEAKER_06]: Oh god, yeah, overview.

[SPEAKER_06]: Stabilized dairy prices, dating back to a great depression government by surplus, during the 70s, high prices and subsequent subsidy program led to a massive overproduction of milk. [SPEAKER_06]: So they like oversubsidized? [SPEAKER_06]: prices and subsidy. [SPEAKER_06]: So maybe they like they like overstabilize the dairy market. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: They like fucked up and like missed the mark. [SPEAKER_06]: And so they ended up like with way too much.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but now the government's giving away free cheese people aren't going to be buying cheese at the grocery store. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but I think that's my view. [SPEAKER_07]: I bet you like it. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: If we had to have this conversation, that's why they don't give the lemons away to everybody. [SPEAKER_07]: Right. [SPEAKER_07]: Free. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, well, way, I think it's worse than this or no, I think it's, I think it might be more genius.

[SPEAKER_06]: I bet you. [SPEAKER_06]: If you and I, if we were in this whatever boardroom that they would make this sort of a big national [SPEAKER_06]: We got too much fucking milk. [SPEAKER_06]: What do we do? [SPEAKER_06]: And Kevin's over it's like, what if we just make a shit ton of cheese and then, and then, and everybody claps? [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, everyone claps and then someone else is like, won't that fuck the cheese marketer? [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you throw him out the office window.

[SPEAKER_06]: But nobody knows that question. [SPEAKER_06]: No, they did and they're like, well, well, let's just make it a little shitty. [SPEAKER_06]: And I like I actually genuinely think that like government cheese was like not good like it's called government cheese not good cheese yeah and I genuinely actually think if I Dispeculate and it wasn't just complete coincidence that they sort of just made it not great [SPEAKER_06]: but it was free. [SPEAKER_08]: It was free calories.

[SPEAKER_06]: Free calories. [SPEAKER_08]: You wouldn't starve, but if you wanted that cheddar, you had to pay for it. [SPEAKER_06]: You wanted that sort of like, if you could get like free with cheese with that stoppy from buying a high quality cheese like craft singles. [SPEAKER_07]: Wait, that really threw me off. [SPEAKER_06]: Wait, I would not buy craft singles. [SPEAKER_06]: What about store brand craft singles? [SPEAKER_08]: No, I'm not a craft. [SPEAKER_08]: I'm a cheese guy.

[SPEAKER_06]: What kind of cheese? [SPEAKER_08]: Like good, uh, career, uh, there's lots of good cheeses, man. [SPEAKER_06]: What's the difference? [SPEAKER_08]: the way they taste. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but they don't have a little bit to plastic around them. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Keep them for extra fresh. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'll sacrifice.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: My favorite like craft single is when some of the cheese got smashed on the like the folded part like the sealed part and so kind of like a stuck in the like the checkered pattern where like heat seals the plastic. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I think we'll [SPEAKER_06]: I just think it's like interesting how you would deal with a situation like that. [SPEAKER_06]: Like, what are you doing, you have too much milk?

[SPEAKER_06]: But it's better than what you're doing, you don't have enough. [SPEAKER_08]: like at least at least it still contributes to the food supply and some right.

[SPEAKER_06]: But then but then they do shit like it was like all corn and then like ethanol like bioph like oh yeah like is that sort of feels like not the right way or even like the beef subsidies right where it's like apparently we pay like the cost of a hamburger is actually way more than we pay for the store because we like already pay a bunch of money to the beef industry. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, through taxes or something. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, except.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that seems sort of less important to me, right? [SPEAKER_06]: Because like what happens if you don't have any beef like nothing really, right? [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I'm going to get a shit. [SPEAKER_06]: But milky chicken and stuff. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you see chicken instead, right? [SPEAKER_06]: We already like, you know, we've like, I think really Minmax chicken meat production. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Um, yeah, what do we eat the eggs?

[SPEAKER_08]: We eat the chicken. [SPEAKER_08]: Sometimes together. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: I don't really eat that much beef. [SPEAKER_07]: I don't need like maybe once a week, honestly. [SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of really expensive, too. [SPEAKER_06]: I think the only time I eat it is hamburgers. [SPEAKER_06]: Like I eat it because Chelsea doesn't eat beef. [SPEAKER_06]: And so I don't really cook steak for myself.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I hate buying steak set restaurants. [SPEAKER_06]: I fucking hate steak restaurants. [SPEAKER_06]: But I'm burgers. [SPEAKER_06]: That's fine. [SPEAKER_06]: But like shitty hamburgers. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: But not a $17 hamburger burger.

[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_06]: No, like every time I be in there in the past several years, I've gotten like say, but a steak like an actual steak at a restaurant always feels like such an absolute waste of money.

[SPEAKER_06]: And like if you can cook a steak at home, better, like just as good if not better than what you do to restaurant for like, I don't know, a quarter of the price. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, it's so cheap to cook at home. [SPEAKER_06]: It's like one of the easiest things to make yourself. [SPEAKER_06]: It's way easier than I think any of the side dishes or steak are harder to make. [SPEAKER_08]: The secret or a tasty steak is just garlic butter.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, just a bunch of butter and a bunch of garlic and you just, you know, you just watch all two video. [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, all in pepper and you'll like pretty much. [SPEAKER_06]: I want to see it now. [SPEAKER_06]: I like, I don't, I don't know. [SPEAKER_06]: No, I mean, I'll eat one, but I haven't had one. [SPEAKER_06]: I was Kevin. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, definitely not. [SPEAKER_06]: 40 dollars. [SPEAKER_06]: Like going on didn't know you've already $50.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'll get like a five pack of stakes from like Costco. [SPEAKER_08]: And I'll cut them in half horizontally like the like, you know, they're a little bit thinner. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_08]: When you get 10 stakes out of it, do you eat them in a week or you freeze them? [SPEAKER_06]: I freeze them. [SPEAKER_06]: That seems blasphemous. [SPEAKER_08]: No, I'll freeze them and I'll have one once in a while. [SPEAKER_06]: Is a frozen stick better at the same as a not frozen stick?

[SPEAKER_06]: Well, you have to thought first, but you have to put it like I'm just not saying that. [SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_06]: I'm saying is it does it degrade the quality? [SPEAKER_06]: It definitely does. [SPEAKER_06]: It's going to make it less juicy, no? [SPEAKER_06]: Because you're going to like obliterate your like all this freaking little spiky ice kingdom inside of there when it like all the cells explode. [SPEAKER_06]: Cause the ice is tender on it.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you just get the hammer. [SPEAKER_06]: Is that how that works? [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's a tenderizer. [SPEAKER_06]: Does it actually? [SPEAKER_08]: I have no idea. [SPEAKER_08]: I think that that's time for an experiment. [SPEAKER_06]: You think I couldn't tell the difference? [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think you could tell the difference. [SPEAKER_07]: Like would nitrogen frozen steak versus bridge frozen steak? [SPEAKER_06]: That's a good short. [SPEAKER_06]: You should do that.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: I've heard that the flash freezing does not expand. [SPEAKER_06]: Let the ice get as nasty. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: That's right. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's also how you kill parasites and sushi, right? [SPEAKER_08]: Getting a blow to the FB flash frozen. [SPEAKER_06]: But if but why what's the point of flash freezing them is it's like not ruin the meat. [SPEAKER_06]: No, it kills the parasites you have a regular freezing would kill the two.

[SPEAKER_06]: No, but like deep flash freezing is that any better than like long term flash freezing, you probably just have to keep it cold for a certain amount of time or get it down. [SPEAKER_08]: I think that once it's flash rosin actually I don't know if what is the flash in flash. [SPEAKER_08]: Can you take regular salmon and then flashries at a home? [SPEAKER_06]: Is it the radar change or is it the absolute the temperature of word flash?

[SPEAKER_06]: I think he's a big hint in this term John, what does flash frozen mean? [SPEAKER_02]: John. [SPEAKER_02]: There's awkward signs, John. [SPEAKER_02]: What is rapid free? [SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be a terminology. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, we're Nigel Dough, but to us to it doesn't have to go. [SPEAKER_06]: Does it just happen in the G, like negative 100 C, negative 403 C, or is it 72? [SPEAKER_07]: Is it three? [SPEAKER_07]: I forget.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay. [SPEAKER_06]: I don't really deal with this temperature. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, night liquid nitrogen is 75, okay. [SPEAKER_06]: Rapidly frozen freezing direct contact liquid nitrogen, 100 negative 196 C. Yes, I think you just like, freeze it really fast. [SPEAKER_06]: And so the crystals don't have time to grow. [SPEAKER_06]: Wow, I think they turned into like blades, like they just, they like, they turn into like a spiky thing that just obliterates the cells.

[SPEAKER_06]: So if you flash-freeze it, you end up with higher quality meat when it's God. [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I thought I thought I had something to do with like, you can get sick from eating like salmon raw. [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, it's flat. [SPEAKER_06]: So they have to freeze it. [SPEAKER_06]: I think they bring it down below freezer temperature, like I think they bring it down. [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, God, it looks like they bring it down to like negative.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's insane if they actually do that I think they do and aren't you producing like liquid nitrogen or liquid oxygen? [SPEAKER_08]: You could probably flash free some stuff. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you should. [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's a good story for your short. [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, I'm worried my meat has parasites and it's a product protocol to generate the nitrogen. [SPEAKER_06]: That's fine. [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm going to justify it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: You know, Microsoft, I think it would be cool to see like the difference of the tissue. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like regular freezer freezing versus five. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you could like see the ice crystals. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like like actually like if they're huge and potentially like distraught. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like if you slow cool it then yeah, you're definitely going to have bigger crystals.

[SPEAKER_06]: then you could like measure the amount of like a liquid that leaves it just kind of during like a standard cook, like cook in a bag or something and then see if you can notice a little difference. [SPEAKER_08]: And then you wouldn't even have to taste the difference because you could see it. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you could see that you know, it would be just way it. [SPEAKER_06]: You would I think it would be I think it make a big difference.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think you'd be able to tell just by looking at it one day. [SPEAKER_06]: I think you would. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: That's why I have a suspicion that just like the freezer frozen steak is like maybe maybe slightly like drier. [SPEAKER_06]: All right. [SPEAKER_06]: Fine. [SPEAKER_06]: You're right. [SPEAKER_06]: No. [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe. [SPEAKER_06]: You know, one way to find out. [SPEAKER_07]: I bet you're such a good cook though. [SPEAKER_07]: It doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_06]: I'm just trying to get a cook a steak for. [SPEAKER_08]: Just garlic butter. [SPEAKER_08]: I'll make a steak for you sometimes. [SPEAKER_08]: Who was salt and pepper? [SPEAKER_08]: I'll salt and pepper will be included. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Um. [SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: We're chicken household. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, it's making me hungry. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the podcast. [SPEAKER_08]: Welcome to the safety third podcast.

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