Welcome everybody to the RV podcast. This is episode four 14. And this week we talked, what real RVers think is gonna happen in the next 12 months. Hello everybody. I'm Mike Wein and this is my lifelong traveling companion and my bride, Jennifer. And we are indeed traveling and we are traveling in our brand new 20, 23 leisure travel vans, FX, FX, unity, FX model. And, um, it's kind of like a homecoming to us because we are in this very model four
years ago. This is what we, uh, came back with a little over four years ago. And, uh, we liked it. We kept it for two years. We tend to turn our RVs quickly so we can have experience with lots of different models. And we wanted to try the, uh, Ford transit chassis, cuz that was just really taking off about, uh, about two years ago. So we had our, uh, this Ralph vents wonder and we sold that. And uh, we had ordered this.
We didn't announce at the time we ordered this about 17 months ago and we got it even a little earlier than some people cause it's like a two to three year wait, depending on how you have it equipped. Um, but we got it because, uh, we are the transportation company we transported it from the, uh, Hershey RV show, which just ended. We spent a week there and this was one of the models, the display models and therein, we learned something very valuable.
Well the general public can be very rough. these display models. Our first FX. Was also a display yeah. Was. A display, but it was at a trade show and it didn't get near the wear and tear that this one did, but it's all good. You know, whatever people break damage, you can get it fixed. But you know, probably it had enough people in here that would equal what we, the two of us and Bo would do in three years. you know, um, and it held up, well, one of the doors needs adjusting and uh,
a cabinet needs adjusting, but that's really about it. Uh, we were like angry parents, you know, you gonna take it a kid in that thing. Don't let 'em stand on this sofa. I was thinking, I didn't say it uh, but we, um, uh, save the transportation cost cuz we are hauling this now back to Holland, Michigan. And there, we will officially buy it this week from our dealer, which is Holland motor homes in Holland, Michigan. And they, uh,
then go through and prep it and just like just like a new delivery. But we, uh, spent last night in it and we, we are right now. You might hear the rain. We're kinda waiting for some rain to end. Um, we spent the night in a service center, a rest stop, uh, on the Ohio turnpike where they have actual RV spots. They have about, uh, nine or 10 spots for RV's 20 bucks a night. Now we didn't have electric. I. Don't know. Well we, yeah, yeah. Some are 30 amp. I don't know if they have 50 amp.
We pulled in at close to midnight cause we left the show like at 7, 6 37. So it was quite dark by the time we got here. And we were disturbing everybody we didn't mean to, but we were trying to be quiet. So the side I backed into, uh, only had like a 15, 20 amp service. And um, since we have uh, 400 Watts of solar and two, uh, battle born, uh, lithium batteries, we, we were fine. We just Bo dock. Uh, but it was our first night in it and we didn't have pillows and uh. I forgot. But we may do.
It's hard. Okay. I gotta get some mercy here. The day that we left, we're packing for a week. And uh, we were having an open house in just a couple days. Our house, we put our house, we. Put our house on. The market sale. We we're getting, we, we know you've been, we've been telling you what we've been looking for property and machine. We'll tell you more about that. The deals kind of pending. It's still.
Pending. I'll just say this. We found 10 acres on the Southwest side of Michigan near the wine country. I'll tell you, we'll tell you a whole lot more about it one. But anyway, what I'm trying to say is I had other things on my mind and I didn't oversee your packing, which normally, you know, I'm like, don't forget this. Don't forget that I need. Oversight. No, we had such mass confusion as you know, trying to, uh, give things away to charity, trying to empty closets,
trying to find a space for everything. So anyway, I forgot the. Pillows packing and preparing for the RV show and uh, but uh, we may do, oh. We may do great. Yep. Uh we're. It helps to be really tired too. it was a. We had RV super bag. I knew we had the RV super bag. So we used that. We separated it wound one section up and used it as a pillow. And the other section we covered up with and I had the sheets from the RV super bag. So it was a great bed. It.
Was. And we woke this morning to the rain and thunder and uh, it's kind of nice. Uh, I walked into the rest area and got my dunking donuts coffee and uh, we're kind. Of now you didn't get any donuts. I didn't get any donuts. Nope. I wanted one. That's when you came with me. Well, that's good. I didn't that's good. I did. Um, people keep asking us about the show. It was a, it was a big show. I don't know if it was as well attended as last year. It was close. Saturday was a phenomenal, oh.
Saturday was. A zoo, but the rest seemed pretty manageable. Mm-hmm um, most of the sales people, they all were happy. They seemed to sell a lot of RVs, had 1500 new 20, 23 model RVs on display. Um, we did a, kind of a, our video tour of the show, uh, this past week. So you can find that on our YouTube channel and in today's episode,
we are going to spend a lot of time with the people we met. And uh, I don't know how to skirt the issue other than to say that there is a lot of uncertainty out there, the economy inflation, post pandemic worries, all that kind of stuff, interest rates. Um, man, uh, the interest rates are pushing 6% now for an RV. So we have to forget about all that and look for the.
Positive. And uh, but we ask a variety of real RVs, you know, uh, people who really are out there doing it, not just making them to sell, uh, we asked them what they thought the next 12 months would be like. And I think you'll find it real interesting. You've gotta work with what you got. Yeah. So we know what the issues are and you gotta work with it. So anyway, we will obviously, uh, be sure on you more of this, uh, this FX let's answer one other question. Everybody asks, do,
what do we do with our fifth wheel? Well, we are a two RV family of his and hers. no, of both of ours. Uh, the fifth wheel. We absolutely love our 32 foot fifth wheel. Should we have a contested guess? Which belongs to his and which belongs to her? Yeah, no, I think they're both the. Same. They're both pretty. Yeah. They're both equal. We, I, I like em both. Yeah. And I've bonded with your truck. Yes. Jennifer drove the truck.
Like 260 or 270 miles yesterday. That is a, I can see why you like that truck. I love the truck. Yeah. I mean, it's larger than what I'd like, but it's a nice vehicle to ride in and to drive. And uh, yep. So we were, caravaning it back to the show. We still got some more to go today. So yes, we do have two RVs. Uh, and how do we use them? Well, the fifth wheel is sitting at our property in Tennessee right now and we will be
down there in about three weeks. Yeah. For our gathering, uh, at the Buffalo river, we've got, uh, one of our gatherings, our meetups, uh, about a hundred plus people heading down there to, uh, spend, uh, most of a week, uh, exploring middle Tennessee with us. So we're excited about that. And we'll be spend spending all of our time in the fifth wheel there,
we will probably drive this. And, uh, our daughter who's part of our team will probably stay in this, uh, while we're, while down there working. And then we'll take this to Florida and then come back and pick up the fifth wheel. And hopefully then we'll be able to tell you all about our property in Michigan, cuz the fifth wheel will be going there as well. Uh, but we, we see the fifth wheel as like, as you said, um, a, a cabin on wheels and um, it's just really nice.
It's just a nice base camp. And then we use the, the little motor home here to scoot around for shorter trips and um, to do some exploring as well. Uh, we can tow a vehicle with us by the way. It's one of the reasons we went back to the sprinter, the Mercedes-Benz sprinter, 3,500 diesel. Love. It. Are we gonna be able to, uh, tow the uh, fifth wheel with this? No. Because I was just wondering cuz if we drove this to Tennessee and then we'll
bring in the fifth wheel home. Oh are you gonna make me caravan forever? Yeah. I gotta figure that out. Well, yeah. We gotta, we gotta figure out the details. Yeah we will. But the only thing we'll work on, we can leave the fifth wheel there too in Tennessee, as long as we want. Um, I hope we didn't confuse you. Cause I in answering the question, I'm confused. We didn't get much sleep last night. But we are having a good time. Yeah. So stay with us.
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the interview week. I see we talked to a whole lot of people this week. Have we talked to 'em about. The. Future of RV? What they think this next year is gonna bring any surprises that they can see lingering out there or. You know, there's all this uncertainty coming on the heels of COVID and um, I don't think we can, we can sugarcoat that. There's there's a lot of people who are out there are,
are wondering if this is the time to buy what it means for their travel. So, uh, we thought we had talked to real RVs and find out what they think. So let's listen, uh, to some of the people that we met and who offer a lot of great insight. Jimmy and Lisa Cox are friends from fine us camping. Yes. Okay. Yes we are. So, Hey, why do you think we'll all be in a year and particularly as it affects the RV industry? Well. I know we're gonna be traveling still.
We will be on the road, but I see it as I'm, you know, with fuel prices, being what they are, prices in general being what they are. I think it's gonna make people stay places longer, not travel. As long as far as we go as. Frequent, you know, not, not stay a couple of days and then hit the road because you can't afford the
fuel. So you'll stay in a one spot longer and not move as often. Um. I think it's gonna help the campground worlds cuz the campground people are gonna stay two and three and four weeks more than just a week. And they're they're going to the next place. So well, right. Cuz you'd still be camping, right? You'd just be moving place to place. So you already have, we have found that you already have that, that stay built in you you've budgeted for that. It's a,
it's kind of a constant, but fuel. You can kind of control, you know, you don't have to travel this frequently so you can cut back a little cost there. Um, I'm not sure for like families with kids and stuff. That's a whole nother. I think they're gonna basically, I think everybody's gonna stay still. People are gonna have to stay still in one spot a little more. We're hoping everything changes. We're hoping everything changes and it goes different. We loosen up.
A little bit. We have noticed here at the Hershey show, it is slower last couple days. So. I feel that it is slower than yours past. You think it's the economy more than anything else? I think the economy is, is a big key. And I think the interest rates have changed. A lot of people buying. I've talked to a couple people now and they have said that the interest rates are a little bit higher, which is scar, which makes the payments a little bit higher. So well. And they're going back up.
Plus the campers are more expensive. So what we got two or three years ago, you can't buy now. Cause everything's more expensive. Groceries are more expensive. Everything's crazy. More expensive. So a little uncertainty. Yep. Very, very much. We're all nervous. A lot of, yeah. We're. All nervous. A lot of uncertainty, you know, you just have to control what you can cuz you can't control it all. So just you have to. Control what you can, but get out there and do it. That's the key.
You gotta get out there and have don't. Quit. Don't quit. Hi, I'm Susan Burnett. Where are you from Susan? Uh, from Minnesota at the moment. Okay. Moving to Colorado Boulder. Well. That's a great place to go. Let me ask you a question then. Yeah. In light of everything that's happened, you know the COVID pandemic inflation all the uncertainty of today. Yeah. Where do you see everybody in a year? And how's it gonna affect the RV lifestyle.
That I have no idea. Cuz I'm just new. I don't even have a rig yet. That's why I'm here. I'm learning everything I can. And so I just don't know. I retired as a nurse and so healthcare's changing dramatically. People are leaving and you know, retiring. I'm just looking to travel around. I wanna see the redwoods before they burned down. So. So what are your biggest worries? My biggest, what. Concerns worries. Um, safety is one number one,
but there's a lecture on that. So I'm gonna go to that. Um, I'm traveling by myself. The financial part of it is a big worry just because I'm changing over from being retired, to being on a budget and you know, which I was on a budget before, but you know what I mean? Um, and I don't know. I, I don't know. What I don't know is the problem. That's why I'm here. Think. That you're encouraged about getting an RV and going so you must think that it's a good choice. A good thing to do.
You must feel confident that it's gonna be okay. And if it isn't you put the breaks on and go into different. Direct that's right. That's right. I have a home base. So if it doesn't work out, I'll just go back to my home base. So. But it's gonna work out it. Work out. Yeah. But I, you know, I'm from Minnesota and I know you guys are in Michigan and you still go up to Michigan. So it's like maybe I'll come to one of your events hopefully someday days. So. All right. We'll be lucky.
I know. I'm just so glad I ran into you and it's like, I'm. So glad you ran into us too. Hey, here we are with our friend mark ke, but mark, the question we're asking everybody has to do with the uncertainty that we kind of find ourselves in as a nation these days, where do you see us all in a year, particularly as it affects the RV industry, the RV lifestyle. So I respond to that with a story.
My wife and I went full time in 2009 during the last financial crisis, we sold everything we own bought an RV, hit the road. The reality is life is short. People only have so much time to go travel and do things. A lot of people are retiring. They're still traveling. Now. It was just in Yellowstone a week and a half ago place wasn't sold out. It wasn't crazy, but the campgrounds are full and people had smiles on their faces. So in the end, people are in a camp. How they go about doing that?
Are they buying new RVs, use RVs? Are they in 10? I don't know the answer to that. I just know that people want to travel and enjoy the RV and camping myself. So you see that continuing in? Oh yeah. If somebody who started during the last financial instances, do do things really level out as they say or. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you think about it, I mean, Mike, you've been in the industry long, you know how in from 2012 to 2019, we're on this uphill cycle, COVID had this massive boost of campers.
But on the other side of that, we're still on this upward cycle. What you're gonna see change though, is you're gonna see RV, new sales, shipment, numbers dip, and that'll be the big news, but that's missing the main trend, which is a whole bunch of RVs were sold. Those people are still using those RVs they're they might not be traveling 1500 miles for a trip, but they're going 50, 60 miles. They're camping.
They're enjoying in the end, you gotta do something in the stress and the, in the anxiety of the world you need to get away. And camping is the most affordable way to do that next to sleeping in an, a tent in your yard. Bruce Howard, up in borough, Maryland. And I'm Chris sip Howard high. Where do you think we'll all be in a year? How's that all gonna affect the RV, uh, lifestyle, uh, in the whole RV industry? What, what's your thoughts on that?
Well, personally, I believe that people have gotten really complacent in the pandemic of being able to have the opportunity to work from home. And I think people are actually loving it. You know, if you have an opportunity to go on the road, you know, and still work, still have an income coming in, still relax and have a life. I think people will take advantage of it. Now I think they, that year's gonna allow people to kind of, you know,
do a reset with their finances. Um, they'll probably be able to, you know, look into, you know, earlier options for retirement and stay on the road. You know, I think this was a, a time for us to really see how it feels to work remotely, live remotely. And people had an opportunity to kind of stay at home and realize there's a lot that we miss when the world closed. So people want to get back out and they want to see the world now. And our being is just a great way to go.
Yeah, Chris, you have to say you agree a hundred percent, but uh, your thoughts. I think a lot of people had a chance to work remotely that didn't have a chance to work remotely prior to the pandemic and also a chance to look at lifestyle and lifestyle changes that they can make, um, with what they were looking to do. So with the pandemic, little bit of inflation and things that are gonna happen,
maybe you might not get the big RV. You may get something a little bit smaller, but I don't think it's gonna affect the marketplace in the sense of the vacation opportunities. They're going to exist and exist in larger numbers. Maybe in a few parks may have a few less people there, um, at times, but I do think it's gonna continue to move forward. Uh, just fine. Now, what do you see is the biggest challenge for camping this next year?
What do you see? Uh, I see in larger corporations coming in and buying small mom and pop campgrounds, and then immediately the rates are increased 50% or better. And I think that's gonna be tough for our, our veers to actually, you know, enjoy this lifestyle on a, on a reasonable budget, but they're making it tough for us. What do you see people paying these days? And. Um, I'm seeing from 80 to, um, I believe my wife saw something going up to well over the $200 mark
from $80. So 80, 60, wow. You're talking three, 400% Marco. There was a campground that used to be used at, on a beach front. So it was about a hundred dollars a night and it's gone up to over $300 a night to be at the same site on a weekend. And that's just unaffordable for $300 a night. I'd rather get a hotel and not have to clean my own bathroom. and they didn't do any big changes or.
Anything like that. And they took it from just a mom and pop name. So, and they changed it to a corporation name and added resort, but there wasn't anything different. That's. The shame, same amenities. Mm-hmm no upgrades, no painting. No, just. Just the name actually come. Yes. Bodak get my batteries. . I'm Andrew Bransky. We currently live in New Hampshire, Concord, New Hampshire. And Andrew, you an RV. Tech. I am an RV tech. I work, I work for, uh, campers in, in Meramac New Hampshire.
So, um, where are we gonna be in a year? What's it gonna mean to the RV? Uh. Well I've already noticed a slowdown in purchases, uh, but uh, a lot more influx still on customer repairs and stuff like that. So there's still people doing it. What I think is actually gonna happen is that bubble that was been blowing up for so long is finally going to burst as far as a lot of new people getting more purchases, more RVers. I think the people that want RV will continue to RV find out ways to RV and the
people that won't will hopefully still try to figure that out. Um, but in the long run, you know, keep maintaining your units, keep trying to figure out, keep up on the tech, keeping up, uh, keep up on how to figure out how to keep doing it if that's what you really want to do. Um, and I'm sure there's gonna be an influx of, uh, used RVs coming up with all the people that don't want to do it anymore. So hopefully that'll inspire people to continue to do it at a cheaper way. Yeah.
That's what I think. So you need, you're just gonna make the best. Of it. Yeah. Make the best of it. Do, do what you can to stay on the road, if that's what you want to do and just keep maintaining your RVs, keep doing your monthly checkups, that kind of stuff. And if you have to, you can downgrade to keep doing it until there's an opportunity for you to upgrade again. Um, like I said, I still think there's gonna be an influx of views RVs after that bubble bursts.
And it might give other people an easier way to get into it or an easier way to maintain their lifestyle financially. If that's what their problems are. See, there was no sarcasm. I, I kept it in for you. I really did. I'm just, Ugh. That's why I'm breaking a sweat. . As you just heard, we're all gonna carry on. There's a little bit of fear and trepidation, but where our views we're.
Gonna go. Yep. Um, and I thought some of the more encouraging things were that even, uh, I think it was mark Kepp. We talked to who started full-time RVing during the last, uh, recession that the country went through. And, uh, he, uh, he says, you know, he's not gonna worry about this one either. Cuz like you say, time is limited and uh, there's no guarantee.
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world.com. Welcome back. And now it's time for the questions of the week. Now. Uh, we did a lot of meet and greets here at the Hershey RV show this past week. And there were a lot of questions that people have. So we recorded a few of them and here they are with our answers. Uh, Dan and fab we're from long island. This is our first trip to the RV show.
And um, as budding, uh, uh, adventurers who want to film their own adventure, uh, we're curious how much content do you shoot versus how much makes it into a 30 minute format show? Aha. You can never shoot too much content. So you notice I'm shooting this I don't know if I'll use it, but uh, I may end up using some of these questions in one of our live feeds or in our podcast. Um, I don't ever go anywhere without a camera. I shoot, I, I have had three cameras that we've been shooting here. Um,
we have a video that'll be on tomorrow. It's about 25 minutes, 30 minutes long, maybe a little longer. Uh, and I probably shot, how long do you think three hours worth of video for that? So I added it down. Um, you know, we, you see a shooting on, uh, cell phones, the uh, like the apple I iPhone now. Oh my goodness.
The quality of that is is better than, than almost anything. So, uh, I'm always shooting with that and um, there's no hard and fast rule you, you know, you kind of, and, and the more you do the better, it, it, it better you get and the easier it is, but yeah. How. Long did it take you? I don't mind walking. I really don't mind. Well, our whole life has been, you know, that we've been. Yeah. Yeah. Mike, uh, the media person, he worked on, uh,
NBC for 18 and a half years. So people recognized him, me. I took me a little while to get used to it, but I, I taught exercise classes and I taught different classes. So I was used to being in front of people. Ah,
so it kind of came natural to me. I didn't know there was event, but Mike, I think it's harder doing this for him to, uh, shoot more because he's used to our traveling all different countries and all over the states for freelance work, where you are precise, you know exactly what you want and you wanna shoot in sequence. And so it's a little bit harder I think, to stop and say, oh yeah, I've gotta get the B roll. Yeah, I've gotta get the other things.
I, I used to be a press photographer. So it was like that it was rush, rush, rush, take 400 pictures just to give the newspaper three. So that's why we're asking the question because it's gonna be tough narrowing down the best shots, the best videos now. But you mentioned B roll and it's like, don't forget to get the entrance to the state and don't forget to get the name of the park and you work with a drone and do you not work with a drone? I mean,
there's so many people doing amazing content. It's. Always embarrassing when you forget to get somebody's name and where they're from, you know. And that happened. It happened in, in what we're shooting tomorrow. So. Rule everybody should have a name tag. But you don't all. The time everywhere you. Go. My advice is, uh, before you even start kind of think about what you wanna, what the story is. You wanna tell now the challenge is you don't know this story cuz you're not
there yet. Right? Uh, so when we came into this show, um, in past years we've done 20 RV reviews. We go in and we'd shoot, 'em open every drawer and it became, it became pretty repetitive for us, but people just love it. They wanna see it because imagine, but it's just so exhausting. So, uh, we wanted do something different this year. So we said, well, we're gonna just talk about a couple of trends that we're noticing. And then we're gonna just talk to people that we meet like you guys.
So that's the video that we came in. We're gonna shoot. And that's the way we went. We identify one quick trend, which was here, which was, if you remember a few years ago, the big trend was, uh, to put, uh, uh. Lightweight. Lightweight trailers on the road. So you could tow a lightweight trailer. You didn't have to have a big, super duty truck. Never had all those trailers, light. Ribbon, you know, as you see 'em ultra lightweight, wind goes by,
they're all going back and forth. You know? So the trend is now that way with, with fifth wheels, which, you know, are, are certainly the, the nicer and the more luxurious of all the, the RVs out there. So the, we, we, we knew we wanted to do a lot with this 29 foot, uh, Arcadia.
So we did a tour that, and the other trend that's out there and it's one that we kind of lived and we've seen it now is, uh, more and more people who started off with like van life, the van life movement class, B's huge growth over the last four years. And then because. Of COVID, COVID really helped get a little van.
Oh my gosh. Yeah. But if you've ever traveled much in a little van, anybody, you have a class B out there, just a small B have you've ever traveled in the class B you realize real quickly that you want a little, you like a little bit more room. You like to be able to bring a few more things with you. And so we see people moving up to the class CS, the B pluses,
uh, even even larger. So that was the second trend. And then, um, we decided that there's a whole lot of uncertainty out there, uh, among people, you know, when you talk to the industry, everything's wonderful. Everything's wonderful. But it's uncertain. You guys are feeling that, are you not, I mean, um, fuel prices next week, the fed raises the interest rates again. Um, what does this all mean? So we've been talking to other, well, what does this mean?
What do you guys think it's gonna be like in a year? And, uh, we've always found for content that those are stories that people really are interested in because real RVs really know, rather than, you know, the industry experts kind of. And, um, so we've talked to, everybody will probably find some of you and ask you, what do you, what even this morning, what do you think it's gonna be like in the year? Uh, and I think everybody feels it's just very uncertain times,
but there's only so much time left. You know, I personally have realized I don't have the time to waste. And, um, you know, I'm not gonna do another COVID lockdown. I am gonna go out. Uh, RV. Says, I wasted one year in my life. I. Did, I did. And I think I've not that many years. I think we're hearing that from a lot of other people. What do you guys think really? You know, what do you, what's your thoughts on it? What, what do you think the next year is gonna be like.
My husband's gonna retire next year. Yes. We have a 30 foot travel trailer. And what, what we decided was we'd go with a fifth wheel because we've heard that they're much more maneuverable. And you said that you didn't even feel it behind you. So that's very nice. That's a. Danger for me. That's right. Yeah. I know it's danger for everybody, you. Know, it's but. So going as easy stop. We're excited about that new chapter in our lives, but we wanna go small.
Mm-hmm what are you looking for? Do you think? Uh, well, you're the one that you got was on our short list. We were looking at a, a brand design, two 60 RD, and then we were looking at yours. We just saw a Cougar, which is brand new here, uh, uh, this week. So, uh, Stu doesn't even have a listed on our website yet except for the Hershey thing. Sure. Well, thanks to all the folks we met and the questions and the great conversations we
had. It was very encouraging. Uh, thanks to all the people who answered our questions for the interview. We just had a great time here at the show. As we every year, it, it has been fun. So that's the podcast and we invite you to visit an RV show near you. The fall RV show season is now begun. If you have a question or a comment we'd love to hear from you just use our personal email, Mike and jen@rvlifestyle.com to next week. So long happy trials.