Top Secret! - Remembering Val Kilmer

Music. A lot babaloo bab, a lot bamboo. Are you ready to go skeet surfing or do you want to straighten out the rug?

Well, whatever you want to do, you're in the right place if that means something to you. We're looking at the 1984 film Top Secret. For those who tuned in for The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, that's going to be the next film. But we thought with the recent sad news that Val Kilmer had passed, we would do a Val Kilmer film. We all talked about it between ourselves.

Yes some people might say the doors and the many other many other good films that we could have picked but we picked top secret we went right all the way back to where it started with this first movie uh appearance and we thought that's that's what we're that's what we're going to do we will talk a little bit about val kilmer at some point hopefully it'll just be a nice natural conversation.

But you know let's brighten things up because obviously top secret is one of those sucker brothers abraham abrams films in the line of airplane so i'm i'm always for those people that have listened to the podcast at the start i've always banged on about top doing top secret one day i just wish i would have been able to do it under less sad occasion but here we are so yes Let's celebrate it and let's see what we think about the film.

I know what I think about the film. I don't know what you two think about the film. So do you know what? On this occasion, I'm going to go last on this one. I think you should go first. You should go first. Should I go first? I'll go first. Right. Okay. Well, before we start on this, top secret. So for those listening, I'm really sorry.

You're going to have to tune into YouTube in order to see what happens next. But record store day, huge thing. You can only buy records at the store. You have to queue up. You can't pre-order. You can't get them to reserve it. Please put one aside. No. First come first serve, get in the queue. I got in the queue at four, got in there at eight, and managed to get the last copy of the top secret re-release soundtrack. Oh, wow. So that was the last copy. Last copy. They had two copies.

And believe it or not, 12 people in front of me, one of them wanted it as well.

Wow i was like 12 people one oh what are the odds seriously but then so it's i've got the original of this which had all of val kilmer's hits nick rivers hits on it but this has also got the score on it the morish jah score on the back oh so so it's got an additional one it's nice that they put omar sharif on there and the uh the bird on the beach with the uh yeah anyway are you going to, are you going to open it or are you going to Oh yeah,

I'm going to open it. I'm going to open that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm going to have the music Top Secret on when I'm working. Absolutely. And I'll always hear like quotes whenever I think of certain bits. Anyway, it's not getting the job done.

Top Secret, I loved Airplane. I loved Airplane 2. Not as much. It wasn't great. William Shatner was pretty good in it.

But yeah, I did like the Airplane film. So when this came out, it was pretty much a no-brainer that i always remember the cover not being as, exciting it wasn't it was literally just the cow it was the cow and and nick rivers and this top secret thing and i guess that's probably one of the reasons why it didn't do so well you know it was it cost had an 8 million budget and they made it for 7 million and it made just over 20 million,

but it's one of those films that I think just passes everyone by and people don't necessarily go oh right you have Val Kilmer oh top secret yeah you know he was brilliant in that, I've noticed all of the tributes focus on, weirdly, and we'll get to this when we talk about Velcro, they talk about the bits in Heat. Now, I understand that, and I get the Doors. Doors makes every sense. But Top Secret, I think, is one of those films where I can never get bored watching.

I think out of all the films that I watch and have re-watched, Jaws will be the first one. I think Top Secret would be in two or three, to be honest. So it's just one of those films i've always had on loop i i know off by heart i know what's coming even though i know what's coming i still love it it's just one of those things whereby.

I didn't see it in cinema but i'm so glad that was the devouring as many films as i as i could at the time it just in order to to be able to see it as when it first came out so yeah i could gush about it and we will we'll talk about it we'll talk about favorite scenes we'll talk about some of the you know some of the ratings and everything but yeah for me i can't give it anything other than 10 and this is where you both go yeah well

you know predictable that you're going to give it 10 but it's it's something that means so it's a film that means so much to me, anybody that came around that certain points in my life we'd watch top secret i'd sit down we watch top secret i'm sure i did that with you dom i'm sure we did that when we lived if i didn't then i must have passed it by when we were roomies but yeah it's 10 for me we'll go into it all next after that i know you two aren't

going to go anywhere near that but let's go with joe okay, Well, I'm going to have to disappoint you, Charlie. I know one of you guys are going to shit on the good, the bad, and the ugly. What makes you think that? Seriously? You guys have never seen it. It was made in the 60s. I don't know. It's never seen spaghetti westerns. Don't think that's some preemptive revenge. I think I'm going to like it. We've left Popeye behind now, right? That's gone. It's dead. Right.

I got to say, this movie's horrible.

It's a disaster i know it tries to be airplane and it fails miserably what it's not yeah it's not the naked gun it's just awful there's so many people to blame with this too i would say. It's well we'll get into the movie more but i if i val kilmer should not be proud of his performance in this at all good lord no one should actually be i mean it's i think it's a disaster it's i i took me about four or five nights to finish it because i kept falling asleep.

And um and then when i had to and i've seen it before and i i never really, you know it had funny scenes in it but it's like and i know don could relate to this it's it's like like a like a bad simpson episode where there might be a couple of good things in there but the rest of it just is not worth it to watch the whole thing so i i'd say i'm gonna have to give it a three out of ten well historians if you ever knew where that went where did when did the podcast suddenly go

wrong i don't know let's let's go back to uh 13th of april no i'm joking, wow i i it was me thinking it was going to be a nice little sort of oh yeah and what about this no it feels like i'm gonna be like up against the ropes am i going to be facing one or two dom, well where to start really i suppose i guess such a such a such a high energy intro from you there charlie and i had no idea that it was such an important film to you because we spent ages on our whatsapp group trying to figure out

which val kilmer film we were gonna do and then and then And belatedly, you suggested this one, which we've gone with. But if I had such a special place in your heart all this time, you should have just gone with it from the beginning, I think. It's a democracy, not a dictatorship. So I just wanted for us all to agree on, We could have quite easily done The Doors, or we could have done Batman forever. It wasn't a democracy.

Well, we did start throwing films around until I said, well, okay, we're top secret. We're doing top secret. That's it. Next time, I'll take a Trump approach. We're doing top secret. That's it. No discussion. Good to know that you two still do support democracy because you do have some controversial other views, I know. But anyway, so moving on from that.

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe we should have started the pod with a minute's silence tributes to Val Kilmer, but it's probably not good content, is it, for our listeners as they sit there in silence for a minute. So I'm going to come in, not to be the diplomat, but midway between you two, I think, because Joe's right, parts of this film are just a hot mess, and it's such a strange film. I don't know how it got the green light, but I guess off the back of the success of Airplane.

But I'm amazed that the studio at no point intervened in this and said, no, you've got to have some plot, you've got to have some structure, because it's a parody of several unconnected areas, kind of Elvis Presley films, Blue Lagoon. If you haven't seen that film, there are going to be bits of this film that have you scratching your head in bafflement as to what they're actually talking about and satirising.

Yeah, and of course, you know, classic World War II films, but not set in the war era as well. So it's very strange. And yeah, there are probably more misses than hits in terms of the jokes, but there are some that hit and that land, as you'd expect from the airplane team. They kind of keep on firing them out. There was definitely some laugh out loud

moments in it. But I think for me, And this isn't just to pay tribute to someone who's no longer with us, but I totally do see why Val Kilmer was launched by this film. I think he does have a lot of charisma and charm, and I think the musical numbers that he does, and I hadn't actually realized, did actually indeed sing them as well. I think his performances are really energetic and electric. I saw Real Genius, and that was one of my first pods I did with you, Charlie, and I hated that.

I thought he was awful in it. I couldn't understand why it didn't kill his career stone dead. But this, his original film debut, I think he's excellent in it. Whether he's a comic actually I think is a different matter, but he's a talented guy. And obviously famous when he went on to play Jim Morrison, surely he should have done an Elvis biopic at some stage as well because he's got that part absolutely nailed on here, I think. So yeah, all over the shop, what a strange film.

I'd never seen it before, so if I did see it before, Charlie, I must have been very high because I couldn't remember any of it at all. I didn't even realize it was kind of an airplane. Yeah. For quite a long time then. Yeah. Go on. Style film until I started watching it. So after that rambling review, I'm going to slap back in the middle and give it, I'm going to give it a six, a six out of 10. Right. Okay. Three, six, 10.

Wow. Okay. Last off. I would say, so one of the things I watched is Cisco and Ebert talk about, talk about top secret before I came on.

And Siskel's like I don't know what this film is supposed to be there were lots of jokes, I laughed out now 20 times five times, laughed at now 20 is it a rock and roll film or is it a thing it didn't seem to have any sort of plot, and Ebert then goes what are you talking about, did you see the same film as me I laughed all the way through it was just an incredible I loved it, really really good film good laughs, good sort of thing I'll take you and show you the bits where you should have

laughed at and Siskel went oh I'll take you and I'll show you the musical numbers that got in the way, and they had a good old sparring match about it, airplane has no, what is the actual story of airplane? It follows, gets up in the air, has a bit of a problem. It has to be coaxed down. Everyone's seen the airport movies in which airplane was based on. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, you know what was coming, you know,

that they're going to survive at the end. They're not going to crash into a mountain or anything. So in this, it's a plot to, to get rid of NATO submarines. Was it? Was it?

Yeah look i think plot plots serve different functions don't they you know this isn't an intricately woven plot where that's a whole thing and the characters just bring it to life, in a film like airplane you're right there isn't much of a plot but there is some narrative structure that gets you from a to b to c to d at the end of the film and you enjoy the journey, here there wasn't i mean to say it was written on the back of a cigarette packet would be doing a a massive compliment here

it's um it's nonsensical and if and if the whole plot as you call it is that bit about sinking nato submarines then it's referenced for a grand total of about 25 seconds of the entire well that's it well no he activates the thing that brings the submarine through and then they have to go and get him out of the jail at the end that is what it's a lot it's a load of random non-sequiturs it's much more like a sketch show than a film i would say reminded me of like the fashion yeah.

But it's just it's just an odd film for that for that reason, I'm sure they're like they said don't worry about the plot we just want to do like these skits they'll be pretty funny the audience will be laughing I mean I disagree with you guys with the airplane I mean basically the story with the airplane is that, everybody was sick or half the the passengers were sick the crew was sick and no one could land the airplane and which left the the passengers in peril.

This one. Yeah. I just didn't get the autopilot. Well, he eventually deflated. So she blew him back up though. But yeah, I mean, what kind of annoys me with this one and it always does is the timeline. Is it world war two? Is it the fifties? It's all over the place. The reference is Jimmy Carter presidency. So yeah, it's all over the shop. Well, I'm right. Pac-Man.

Yeah. Yeah. It just doesn't. And I, and I guess that's the whole thing is, but what you said before the, both of you, like if Dom had seen this while he was high, I can see you liking it.

You know, I think that this is one of those movies that you have to see when you're high or you're drunk or you're wasted or better off dead. Yeah, no, definitely that, that whole Swedish bookstore scene, when he, when they walk in and there's a guy looking through a magnifying glass or so you think that it reveals he's just got this grotesquely big eye. And then the whole thing's filmed backwards, isn't it? And yeah, that, that was quite trippy.

It's quite surreal part of the film. If you were watching that after a few hits on the bong, he would be, uh, he'd be killing yourself laughing. I think, or you'd be hitting the rewind button and trying to figure out how they did it. It's a, yeah, strange, strange film. Best watched high.

Okay. it's definitely meant for a younger audience i would say you know just like those like going through puberty i would say where they find things a lot more funnier than oh wait that's 84 i was 12 yes that makes sense joe yeah speaking of going through puberty don't you think there's a weird scene in this when he's doing one of his set piece song routines and he's serenading the girl who's smitten with him and

she appears to be about 13 or 14 do you know the scene i'm on about um yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of funny. Like the Beatles did that? Yeah, but it's one thing where they're kind of in the crowd screaming at him. That's like that. But he's kind of holding her and she's looking lovingly into his eyes and he's looking lovingly into hers. I thought that was a bit of an odd one. You obviously don't see One Direction fans or Take That fans or whatever in

their prime. It's like 11 or 12. They quite happily have somebody sing to them. But yes, you're right. The optics probably look a bit bad. So before we get a little bit more into the, go on, sorry. I was going to say, you probably never saw the Jerry Lee Lewis story, you know, where then he marries cousin and she was like. Oh yeah.

Dennis Quaid played it. It's Dennis Quaid and Winona Ryder, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, yeah, I guess in this country, I guess back then it's completely taboo, but it's not like it was never done. And it wouldn't surprise me if it still was done in some states. Oh, before we get, oh, states.

Thank goodness. at least he said states and not countries okay excellent that's where the youtube algorithm flicker slightly and go are they gonna go there no i well you know i'm glad i didn't screw things up for you charlie well all right speaking speaking of youtube algorithms then there is some you know it's kind of a fairly light-hearted romp most of this film and then it'll just go in off the deep end and go mad with these sexual gags won't it that um i'm

thinking you've reminded for instance of the uh can we say the word the anal intruder that he gives his to his agents his agent declares that he can't uh satisfy his wife in bed so he gives he gifts him from his prison cell the anal intruder which is some mechanical device and then when that when that gang's landing you're digesting it then he gives the extension of a fist which you have to attach to it and and then yeah the guy leaves a

smile on his face and lo and behold that's the last we ever see him because they take it up to another level because he's then found dead in his hotel room and it took the surgeons two hours to get the smile just off his face it's like funny that's some of the funniest scenes but i thought to myself my goodness where did that come from it's just this gratuitous uh gratuitous lines yeah and there were several other examples of that yes what about the the line you better get out of here or your

life will be worth what is it your life will be worth.

About as much as a truck full of dead rats in a tampon factory yeah i don't think that one made sense but it was like what the hell where did that come from another case in point where they're disguised as a cow you know female cow with udder and the calf goes to it and youtube algorithm alert sucks off the guy that's in the rear end of the uh the cow but it's all right because he then gets his comeuppance later on when he gets brutally mounted by a rampaging bull yeah there's nothing left

to the imagination there is it's just like so strange it's innocuous light-hearted heart from doing his songs wallop right right between the eyes there's some horrendous adult gag there which uh made me smile it's fine what rating is it such a bloody hurry what rate what rating is this film is what certificate did it get a 12 well pg i think that can't be true pg how i'd watch this with a lot of films in the 70s and 80s got away with pg jaws was a pg they didn't have pg-13 back then

i guess since they didn't really show nudity and a little bit yeah i guess, was there yeah there was a girls in bikinis on the beach and stuff and.

Uh but i thought she had a bikini on when she lifted her you know she got out of the sand yeah yeah she does let me just check the back of the record yeah yeah she does she definitely does god bless that god bless the actress yeah that's a memorable scene that whole scene that that just you know for me starts everything up for me like what i'm ahead of it's horrible first of all it's like a like a beach boys rip off i was never a fan of the beach boys yes and

it's just silly surfing and guns makes no sense absolutely but i just think again that if there was, i know you guys like val kilmer in this i i don't know i just didn't get it he's definitely done some great performances but this i don't think was one of them and either was weird science.

Just to put that in there what's it it was in weird science real genius yeah real genius those both those movies suck so uh no real genius is great on that note should we take a pause from here before we and then we'll finish off the rest of the film should we take a pause just to, actually remember these films and and the things that we liked about them because i mean i i i, i genuinely like real genius i think when we did it i think i gave it a nine because there are things wrong

with it and i think dom spluttered on his whatever he was drinking at the time and going good lord how can you give that i think it's there's a lot of films in the 80s i mean everybody knows who listens to podcasts you gentlemen certainly know there are films that i absolutely adore like nines and tens where you look incredulous at me and go what what.

But it's time, it's place, it's context, it's feeling. It's a lot of different things. And yeah, I think it's just from that point of view, when I saw his direction of where he was going, I was definitely on board. So I think I said at the start, it's interesting that the two things that people pick up is that strange signal that is Ashley Judd that's in Heat, plays his wife, and says, don't come in. And that's the scene that they pick.

I'm like no val kilmer owns the shootout scene in heat the start of that is all val kilmer the major the majority of it so yeah i don't know where you gentlemen i mean we can go all over the place joe i'm leaving batman for you but yeah what what do we think well well here's my thought about val kilmer i suppose so talented actor really like him thinking it's great to be here kind of reminiscing about him and having this little tribute show that we've got but i

think what's a bit peculiar is as a famous hollywood actor he's i don't think you can say he's been the leading man in a good successful film too often in his career if you look at his filmography he's plays brilliant roles as like the second billing or as part of the senior member of a cast and heat's a great example of that we toyed with doing heat for balcumber but he's overshadowed by you know and denier obviously in that one top gun of course you know that's really a tom

cruise film rather I think he adds weight and gravitas and he's always watchable when he's part of the kind of supporting cast and a big part of the supporting cast but if you're looking for lead roles in a film that he's done I think it's really props to the Doors which is the one that stands out and Top Secret that we're speaking about today where he's the.

Unequivocal lead in a movie which is in the case of Doors at least successful and high profile there aren't that many other examples I would suggest but Joe what do you think? Well, that's one thing about him. He was never box office magic, like where people were going to go see a movie specifically because he was in it. I mean, I did like him. And when you look at Top Gun, I kind of feel like he's barely in it. You know, he's like, it's more Tom Cruise. And is it, who's the other guy?

Edward, whoever, the guy who played Goose. Oh, Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards, yeah.

I i said last time too i just loved him in tombstone and tombstone's not a great film but it's an amazing performance by val kilmer and if you guys haven't i wouldn't suggest that you see it like i'm not telling you dom that you should watch it but i watched some of his scenes in the movie i just think he's fantastic and it definitely was for me really sad that he didn't get it for that performance because i felt like if he was ever

going to get an oscar for a performance it was either going to be that or possibly the doors but it's just fantastic and like charlie had mentioned batman forever i was a huge batman fan i liked michael keaton and it was kind of sad to find that he was not coming back but then i was kind of excited that val kilmer was going to be batman because i did like val kilmer you know from what i seen him and i i'm pretty sure that tombstone was before batman forever

and that that's yeah i i would say three years before yeah so i i again i fell in love with him during that performance i just thought he was like he's got so much potential and just to know that he was taking over i was like you know he could be a way better batman than keaton because keaton uh, Although I liked him, he's skinny, he was balding, and he just didn't have the fit of Bruce Wayne slash Batman. The problem is they got rid of Tim Burton and they brought in Joel Schumacher,

who was horrible. He didn't understand what they were trying to do with Batman making him dark. They felt that the previous movie was too dark, so they're like, well, let's make it much lighter. And it just was horrible. It was just not a good film. But he is a very good batman in there and he's a very good bruce wayne he's probably like if you look at it he's he's potentially the best combination of the two even like beating out.

Christian bale you know i he because i did watch it recently and i was like it's too it's too bad again they didn't have a good story and a good director you know he he could have went on to do several more batman movies you know and just had had some real credential his biggest problem that i did want to bring up is that he just was a was a bad boy you know he didn't get along with directors with stars he was arrogant he was conceited and that kind of weighed

into his career like he could have had a much better career if he was a little more humble but sometimes you go through Hollywood and there's a lot of actors that are like that. Like Brando was like that too, but everybody was dying to work with Brando. But for some reason, I guess as the years go on, they're like, well, we don't need this guy. I do think that he could have went on to made some incredible performances.

But he kind of was like a victim of his own stupidity at times, but the way he behaved with, you know, burning so many bridges with directors, studios, what happened absolutely I mean obviously working with Brando on the island Dr. Moreau you know.

Val kilmer's career you can see basically go not finish it's not finished but in the sense of you know being popular and being in mainstream films finished in 1998 with red planet that was the film that basically finished finished off the you know the val kilmer the star and turned him into val kilmer the you know like most do dolf lundgren they all at some point just then go straight to video he'd fitted a lot in he'd fit in saint in he'd heat all this sort of thing in

1998 that's it you don't see him again until what was it 2005 for kiss kiss bang bang with robert downey jr who played gabe harry that is a great film he is very good in it robert downey jr is excellent in it if you went on pointless and you said robert downey jr films and you went kissing ba-bang congratulations you got pointless film because no one knows what it is but it is a really really good film and val kilmer is fantastic in it and you like thinking so there's a gap there where

you didn't do anything and then you didn't do anything major i would say until you pop up again in top gun maverick and obviously he's very sick then and obviously you know it was very touching and i think people are right to to focus on that when they remember him because you kind of like seeing his ears now i remember lastly on on that one joe you and i me getting. Very excited that i was in a hotel room and i i said.

Right okay i'm gonna go out tonight i'm gonna go out some friends but i'm gonna come back and i'm gonna watch val i'm gonna watch that documentary which is great i mean it's wonderful and i and i couldn't wait to see it and i more importantly i couldn't wait to talk to you about it we couldn't wait because we both had this sort of love for him so yeah so what insight do you get into him from that documentary thanks i haven't seen

it so what does it give you a different perspective on him yeah he's human you know i feel like you know he he was married to that girl that he met in willow for a while they had a couple of children.

And you know he was a father and all that and i think again you know he struggled a lot when you when you think about was his throat cancer i don't know how he was able to do it i mean, hopefully he had saved a lot of money back then which i don't think he did but it just looked awful because like he had to almost like a tracheotomy he had like a like a hole in his throat and in order for him to breathe I think it had to be closed

but in order for him to talk he had to open it and he couldn't breathe so he had to choose between the two and, And it just was sad, you know, that just to see him like that. And, but again, you felt again, like it was a person that we didn't get to see. And he took a lot of videos. He was like really into VHS and making home videos. And especially when he was doing movies, like starring in movies, like he bought a camcorder and he recorded a lot of the stuff with the stars.

And so we got to see his history that way. and it's always good to kind of see we've heard a lot about the bad of him it's good to see the good about him too he does and you can tell how good a person is too sometimes by how much they're loved by others especially their their family members and and it does seem like his his two children really did love him and they really cared about him they always looked forward to having dinner with

him and you know you know it just was really nice i would suggest watching it, well i think that's that's lovely and you definitely both bring to life that side of him in some ways then picking top secret you may slightly disagree here joe is a film that we watch with him i think he's a fitting tribute because whenever you think of the plot whatever you think of the how funny it is he in it is is a really kind of kinetic electric force he looks in the flush of youth he's extremely handsome guy

he's got great physique he's got high energy levels that uh 2d fruity uh song that he does when he assumes that they're talking about him and he by accident kind of does this and that's great that's kind of a lot a lot of physicality in that as well dancing on the table swing on the chandeliers doing the moves that he does there and that's somebody in the prime of life in the in the flush of youth on the cusp of a stellar career he may not have

been an a-lister in the sense that some you know the tom cruises of the world but he had a brilliant career and uh yeah but. Terrible shame that his life was cut short, but he's certainly left his impression on cinema and this film as well. This is the Val Kilmer show, I feel. Yeah, absolutely. I don't think it'd be the last Val Kilmer film we do. I think one will pop up again. I'm sure, you know, we'll cover Heat at some point.

Maybe The Doors, but we may have all of this. I didn't want to say... Before we do that, but yeah.

Yeah, I was going to say that, like, as I was watching the movie, and I guess I was focusing more on him, like i said there's a lot of problems with this movie and i still feel like he was miscast i think that it would have worked more if they would have gotten someone like steve morton to do the role because he's a comedian and i think that he would have added more to it yeah and you know val kilmer is more of a straight man

and he's got some comic timing but again he's not what they really needed like again who's that was it robert hedges was he the guy in airplane, robert hayes yeah robert hayes yeah i mean it's he was he's another one though again he's not a comedian per se but they struck lightning with him you know because it worked yes but i just feel like it did this drinking problem yeah i you know he was he definitely sold it but

i i felt like someone like steve martin or if you look at modern day stuff like if they would have done this now, like Jim Carrey, just someone that was like very goofy and kind of. You make an interesting point because when Dom and I did the, you didn't join us, Joe, for some reason. I don't know why. But when we did Naked Gun, Naked Gun, I think we both agreed, Naked Gun worked because Leslie Nielsen plays it 100% deadpan. He plays it serious.

That's why it's so funny is because you don't see that. Can I just introduce at this point what we think about Liam Neeson being in the Naked Gun remake?

I don't know why we're talking about all things Zucker Brothers type thing, but what do we think is he highly skeptical i would say yeah i'm not i mean i'll watch it i love the naked gun franchise and the writing but yeah with a heavy heart when i saw that trailer personally see i would normally be with you and then there's that famous scene in life's too short the ricky gervais where he comes in and says he wants to do stand-up comedy and if

you haven't seen it youtube life's too short liam neeson that's all you need to do and basically he comes in and tries his hand out stand-up comedy and because he's so deadpan that's what makes it funny is because he just can't do comedy and but the fact that ricky's reacting to him and oh it's it's makes me makes me laugh every time i'm gonna.

Reserve judgment i think it might be it might i'd be a bit of a surprise i don't know i when i saw the trailer the first thing that came you know to my brain was good luck you know because it's it's hard to you know do a remake of something and be successful and liam neeson is one of those actors right now that it's he's kind of on i wouldn't say downward spiral but he's on his way out like where most of his movies are direct to video

and then the stuff follow the same plot he gets pissed off he kills a lot of people and then, yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Okay, well, let's see where we go with that. It's interesting to note, they get back to top secret then, in that case. The Rotten Tomatoes scores are 76 critics score and 80 audience score. Really? Yeah, there's a lot of people. A lot of people are high. 7.2, 68 on Metacritic. So, yeah, it's following the same thing. I know we don't normally do trivia, but I do feel like I have to point out a couple of things in this film because I think, Joe, I'm going to put you on the spot.

And sorry, Dom, it's not that I'm excluding you, but these two questions. What is the Star Wars connection and what is the Superman, the original movie, connection? I could have told you the Batman one, which they had Michael Goh as the butler. The butler, and he's his butler, yeah. Superman one.

I don't know and i and i don't know the star wars one either i can't well you're gonna i'm gonna do it in reverse order of of interest they found the set where superman looks down and the street, that street where the mice are running around is the same set that they used in superman they found it and said oh bung it in the film we need to use it but even better than that then to get peter Cushing's eye, right? They had to take a mold of his face.

So, oh, Joe's gone all blurry. You all right? Yeah, I mean, just fix it. Just stick your hands up like that or something. Give it something else to focus on. So, yes, they took... They took the mold, Peter Cushing. And when they went to do Rogue One and they needed an accurate representation of his face, they used that same cast that they took in Top Secret, which still was on the lot, still in the box. And they used that to recreate him in Rogue One. How cool is that?

Joe, I can't believe you didn't know that. You should feel ashamed. That's the entry-level Star Wars fandom. Oh, God. I've lied myself before I go to bed. No, wait a minute.

Wait a minute. it i know it's a shameless plug for your podcast but i you know how much i love your podcast, joe by no means is is gets docked points for not knowing that because his level of knowledge him and jack on his podcast is off the chart sometimes especially jack sometimes you can ask him about a comic and ask him about a specific spider-man story and he'll tell you the whole lot and i'm Just like, okay, I thought I was a geek. I've got some way to go yet.

But anyway, the other thing, Joe, maybe you should see the gag where the Jeep goes into the back of the Pinto and the Pinto explodes. I had, until I read the trivia over the weekend, I had no idea why that was, I knew it was funny because it was like trying to parody, you know, things just exploding for the sake of it. But no, there was a story behind it. And it was the Pinto was notorious for exploding, apparently, in the States.

It got into all sorts of... Well, then I assumed it was just a crap car. I mean, that's what I got from it. That's why it's funny. It's because these things were just catching on fire. A bit like Tesla's, but then not on their own. Anyway, right, let's not get that. We might go down a political road. So, yes, there was my two bits, three bits of trivia in some way.

I was going to finish on favourite lines, but I don't know if I'm going to be throwing seed on stony ground, as they say in the parables. I like the, not a verbal line, but the bit where the younger soldier passes the general a note which says the british spies escaped he has a little stamp which says he fixed the stamp yeah.

Which one am i going to pick you know but that was good and i also quite like the way this film that some jokes you could see coming a mile off they were like signposted sort of 10 minutes before they landed like the where he's writing off what on the chalk on the wall 20 has passed and it's clearly up in here 20 minutes that you know and the fact you know it's coming makes it, and then when they introduced the east german women's olympic team

and you know it's not going to be a pretty sight that walks on stage and lo and behold it it sure ain't yeah so so yeah it was funny but i remember when i saw this there's the scene where the magician comes by who's doing all the silly things like squirting with a flower and giving the exploding cigar yeah that is good and then that line at the end where he says he walks off he says oh you forgot your fake dog poop and uh he says what fake dog poop and he's got a

turd in his hand my dad used to so although i hadn't seen the form before my dad used to quote that occasionally when we were kids so yeah i had a bit it had an effect on him so that made me smile smile and recognition but i saw where he'd lifted it from in no particular order is this a potato farm yes i am out of potato i don't know why it gets me every time he's got a cold so he's a little horse.

Quality i know a little german again signposted way away yes he's sitting over there takes it takes his cap off wonderful the station scene with the dogs going crazy and they're over the package and you think it's the resistance and there's dog biscuits in there and then the the station goes out yeah i just loved it i mean the reference at the end where she's saying goodbye to everyone she's going on the plane i'll miss you and then at the end it's

like but i'll miss you most of all scarecrow are just like where the fuck's that come from it's just like when you're watching it but it works made me laugh i yeah there we go i give it so we still got 10 6 and 3 no i was going to say that the one the one scene that i always find funny is when he's singing that song and it's about his girl leaving him and then he uh an oven appears and he sticks his head in the oven turns the gas on i was like i don't know i just get a kick out

of that one i think that's kind of funny and the girls in the other end it's like no no the train train track that he's putting himself onto in the middle of the stage yeah i mean you know again that there are funny gags in there for sure i'm going up to four joe no no all right okay well i did laugh but only i'm.

Not going to give it any more than a three right well there we go there's that was top secret i'm putting together and it's just taking a little bit of time so bear with me those who are watching it because we do like to do you know sort of tribute what comes out so i'm working on that for val kilmer so i know we talked about his films and stuff but there are some in there that i that i've put in that i haven't mentioned um so yeah that that will be out as soon as it doesn't

have to be the race to be the first i've seen some appalling ones i've just saw some really nice ones so yeah i think cars will be made with respect in that way as they always are but anyway from from the well the east germany over to the wild west and we are going to stay on stay on target to go for the good bad and the ugly for the next podcast then we've got to put our thinking caps on gents because whose choice is it after that.

Well, who knows? Perhaps a listener will oblige and suggest a film that we can do. Interrupt and, you know, settle this, you know, not once and for all, just settle this between me and Dom and barge your way in by all means. If you've got a film that you want us to do, that'd be great. I'd love to hear it because the listener suggestions that we've had, viewer suggestions have been great. So we love you all.

But anyway, on that note, I'm going off to listen to Spend the Night With Me and how how silly can you get yeah yeah in fact i might go watch it again or i'll watch real genius there you go sorry i'll piss you both off but yeah it's gonna be great on that note what a pleasure i am gonna say cheerio bye cheers bye A WAPA LOOBAM A LOP BAM BOOM Tootie Fruity Oh Rudy Tootie Fruity Oh Rudy Tootie Fruity Oh Rudy A WAPA LOOBAM A LOP We got a girl named Sue.

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