Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) - 'A Trip Into The 90s'

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Hi there, and welcome to Rusted Junk, the 80s movie podcast. Do you dream about gremlins? How hard can you actually die? Does Barry Manilow know that you raid his wardrobe? If those mean something to you, then you're in the right place. This season, we're all about a dip into the 90s. So over to Charlie, Amanda, Joe and Dom for the film.

Go on, you can do it. and the film we're covering this time is terminator 2 judgment day which is a 1991.

Sci-fi action film directed by james cameron it's the sequel to the 1984 film the terminator and the plot centers around a cyborg identical to the one who failed to kill sarah connor now tasked with protecting her 10 year old son john connor from a more advanced and powerful cyborg the t-1000 which is sent back in time by the malevolent ai skynet to kill john who's is destined to become the leader of the human resistance against the machines it has a metacritic score of 7.5 and a user score

a metacritic of 8.8 it has 91 percent critic score on rotten tomatoes and 95 percent on the users it's 102 million pound 102 million dollar budget making 520 120 million dollars worldwide back in 1991 as well absolutely anyway it's a user's choice this one but we'll get to that in a moment but first users it's whether we start calling people users oh yeah right okay i'll let you know you don't have to edit it mate oh charlie i'll edit it it's fine anyway loser's

choice this is a viewer's choice human's choice viewers do we say viewer. Listener listener yeah but if you view it on youtube yeah but most people aren't though are they but you don't listen to it more people on youtube than there is people's choice okay here's the people's choice the people have spoken and he will speak after the trailer but let's get to the trailer here it is. Music.

He's all alone you have to protect him they know They know its face. Stay here. I'll be back. They know its mission. But there's one thing. Music. Terminator 2 Judgment Day I swear I will not kill anyone, What trailer? I mean, that'd be funny Does that bring any memories back for Everyone But Dom? No I didn't like it You don't like it? It doesn't bring back any memories Because I never saw it in the first place Of course What was I thinking?

What do you mean? What do you mean Anyone But Dom as well? What's that about? Yeah Wait a minute. How old were you? 91. I was 16. Sweet 16. So you bumped off and sneaked into the cinema, did you? To watch an 18. An 18, no, was it? It was a 15 in the UK. Was it? It was R-rated in the US. It was a 15 in the UK. They had to let it out some of the scenes. Let me guess, it was your 16th birthday.

I saw all the Schwarzenegger films when they came out. I think one of my mate's dads used to be able to bring certain videos, you know, probably some sort of counterfeiting ring, which you were probably involved in at one level, Charlie. Some industrial scale at school. I have no idea what you're talking about. Tape to tape. No, tape to tape. I thought he would say, I plead the fifth.

No, do you know what? Some of the tapes, some of the tapes didn't have the copy protection on and they were very rare. And if they didn't have it, he did a straight copy to VHS to VHS. Look, don't get into this hole. No, no, no, it's fine. I used the schools one. Don't even, no, no, no, no, no. No, it's fine, I'm not. No. Okay, maybe another time. That's clear victim to describe, isn't it, Charlie? Anyway, I'm not allowed to call it user. I'm not allowed to call it listener.

I'm not allowed to call it viewer. I've got to say it's the people selection. And the person in question this time is a avid listener, whatever you want to call it, to the podcast, and loves us so much that he wanted to nominate this film because he. Pretty much loves it as much as he loves us. So he recorded a short voicemail and he wants to introduce the film. So we're going to play the voicemail. Over to you, Kush.

A big thank you to Charlie and the team for featuring my nomination for Terminator 2. For me, this film was really age-defining. I was a very uninspired teenager at the time. and the impact and the power that this film had in its time, you had to be there to really experience it. To judge it as a film, I think it's best to look at what came after it. Every single film in the Terminator franchise after Terminator 2 got it wrong for multiple reasons.

And it shows you how easy it is to get it wrong. But the genius that was Jim Cameron in this case got it absolutely right.

And everything spoke to everything else really organically and compellingly whether it was the casting or the action sequences or the narrative or the screenplay and the fact that he introduced a new character as well and the fact that he flipped the script on the original character it was just absolutely brilliant and then the for me the really amazing thing is how he wrapped all of these brand new moving parts within such a compelling and forceful narrative

and the just there was a philosophy through the film about the human condition about how we can get somewhere in life even if we don't think we are very much as the main young character was and the loyalty and the commitment of the terminator it just was very compelling i'm hoping that all of you will agree with me this was one of the greatest films of the 90s if not all the time well i don't know if we can live up to live up to that hype.

Um whether we're gonna love it as much as he does but oh he definitely makes good points oh absolutely yeah i mean if anyone can't make it you know um maybe what's come on the podcast is, he's more than welcome as as he said dom uh i think he used the word narrative, yeah narrative human consciousness i just think it's good to have any kind of interaction and engagement from listeners we've had uh truman show as a listener's choice wasn't it now we've got this so yeah if

you're out there yeah user's choice human's choice people's choice it is um just write in email in yeah absolutely there's a letter it looks like the letter it looks.

Yeah post get it in the post it looks like charlie's gonna be shot by the terminator yeah i can't do anything about that it's the sun we've got sunshine i know it's the sun the hell's going on damn son, so you know that thing that you have every day Jo the trailer I thought was really cool because I was actually watching the trailer thinking oh they're going to give it away as to who's who with the the good guy bad guy thing and they don't no it was really good that's

why it's such a good trailer yeah so it leaves you thinking oh god there's you know how come there's two and so one's sent to kill one's sent to protect so who's well Arnie's obviously sent to kill So the police guy, because he's in a police uniform, because that's obviously to protect and serve and protect. You obviously think, oh, he's the good guy.

So it's quite cleverly done. Yeah. Well, the problem with that, and I don't know if you guys experience this, is that over in the United States, I would say 95% of the people that went to go see this movie knew that Arnold Schwarzenegger was the good guy. Oh. Oh. Yeah. And I don't know how it was revealed, but everybody knew it.

Hmm not over there i don't know because i never went to see it the movie so um obviously charlie i'm sure you saw it in the movies i did i went to the telford uci the multiplex i had had my use the usual deep pan pizza on a friday night and we went off to see terminator 2.

Wow um should i go first then exactly yeah really go first were you surprised uh yes i was uh pleasantly surprised uh i think we watched terminator before we went to see this uh just so that we're in the mood and i think terminator is you know pretty much as close to perfection as it gets i think it's a fantastic i think it's a fantastic movie um and i think this is the sequel that it deserves.

Um is it a better movie i don't think so but only just i think the terminator just slightly edges simply because the grittiness and everything else that was surrounding the film, the way that it was made, how it was made, the story of how it got made. But let's focus on this film. This just has everything. It's the blueprint for how to make a good blockbuster that probably is a bit complicated at some points for people to follow.

I know that there was some idea that they were going to put Michael Biehn, the original in there and he was going to be the um the the person that the t-1000 morphs into, and they said oh that's going to be too confusing especially after the other film, so that was one of the plans that they were going to have um cutting edge effects just just sort of blows you away it's great um what would i give it i mean i'd love to give it a 10 but the terminator is slightly better so

i'm gonna go with nine um but i do think it's absolutely wonderful so yeah. Who wants to go next okay next okay all right well then and do you begin oh okay so um i've not seen this movie for a long time and i've probably only seen it once before so um i did I did remember what the plot line was, which was always a good start. But I've never actually watched the first opening bit.

So because that used to really scare me okay oh you mean the futuristic yeah so the actual terminators you know when um earth they basically introduce it and earth has basically had a nuclear, obliteration and then the the machines come um so that really does like.

Scare me it's the machines so i can't actually watch the terminator so i've never watched the terminator because it's too scary because to me yeah yeah yeah i just don't like them i know i'm such a wuss can't watch aliens either missing out no no not that either so um so for me i was watching this kind of like with some fresh eyes in some certain parts but um yeah i think it's a good movie um okay i think you know uh for me the special effects were good um they're

of the time obviously you know now there'd be a lot more um kind of you know um the imagery would be better the graphics would be better but i think where they were were trying to get to with it was great um and i loved the action sequences um it reminded me of you know some of the later mission impossible things that we've seen on the on the screen since um especially like with the truck on the highway that kind of thing um so for me yeah i thought it was really good little bits

in it the acting was a little bit false um so for me that That kind of deducted a mark or two. But overall, yeah, a really good watchable movie. Some really good messages in there about humanity and kind of what they were trying to say and the fact that his dad was this, sorry. That Arnie was supposed to be like a father role model to him, which was really bizarre because he's like, you know, just a machine at the end of the day. So, yeah, it kind of made you think a bit.

So I really enjoyed it, so I'm going to give it an eight. Now, gentlemen, decide amongst yourselves. You're done. You want me to go next? Yeah, so I used to love, despite my youthful age, sitting down and watching Schwarzenegger films. That was one of my favourite things to do. He was probably my favourite actor for a long time in that period. And that sequence from Terminator to Commando, Raw Deal, Predator, Running Man. Whoa, whoa, whoa, we're doing Raw Cool already. Okay, that's fine.

But you knew what you were going to get, kind of epic, enjoyable action filmmaking. And so when I sat down to re-watch this, that's kind of what I was in the mood for.

Listeners who've been with us for a while remember when we did Predator and I was just in the mood for like a Predator type film last night and so actually I was you know it didn't quite hit the mark for me I think going in with that level of expectation so don't get me wrong things like the special effects were brilliant for the time and you know stand the test of time to some extent, I love some of the little details like the way that Arnie's not allowed to kill

anybody at a certain stage of the film so he just has to horrifically maim them instead like there's that He's got the kneecaps out, yeah. Yeah, that 70-year-old security guard that he kneecaps, who, you know, clearly he's got years of excruciating rehabilitation ahead of him as a result and unemployment and, you know, some specialist nursing care. I reckon fast forward three or four years, he's on the streets somewhere, someone give him a bottle wishing he was dead.

But, you know, his life was spared. So I love all the stuff like that. But for me, the film does sag fairly drastically after the hospital escape sequence. And so, yeah, Yeah, I just thought, brilliant first half, less good second half. So for me, I'm going to give it a seven and a half out of ten. So sorry, Kush. I'm not there with you, I'm afraid. Ouch. Oh, seven and a half's a good mark. Joe, are you going to become Kush's best mate?

I don't know well one thing i wanted to say when i prior to me seeing this in the theaters i remember howard stern had i used to listen to him and he had seen a a screening of it, and he said that at the time this was like the most expensive movie ever made and they spent a lot on cgi and special effects and we just got like a few snippets of cgi i think in young Sherlock Holmes and other type of movies back then and but this was like full-on blown where they were really going to bring CGI

to the Forefront and he said that uh because believe me that you know the money that they spent it's all up there on the screen and every time I watch this movie I think of what he said because it's true and when I still I watch these the CGI and there's There's very few scenes in there that are like, eh, they could probably redo that a little better, you know, because it's so well done, you know, especially for back then.

I did want to say, all right, so what I did was I didn't know because usually Charlie graciously provides us with the movies and he was away at the time. And so I had watched it and the only version that he had for us was Terminator 2 the Extended version I think yeah, and I watched that one and I don't like that one. Yeah, it's it's a waste and I want to point this out I would like to make a petition going forward when we review movies.

We only review the theatrical ones because I do think that the theatrical ones are the ones that we saw in theaters and it's for the most parts they're better. Anyway, I did like this movie when I saw it, and I thought it was better than the first one. It was, what would you, I would say, again, the first one was kind of like, similar to Aliens. It was more of a horror movie, and then this one became an action movie. And they just did everything so well.

I feel like they upped it for this version in the previous one.

One not that I'm not a fan of the previous one but it's not something I'll revisit it over and over this one I've revisited so many times and I've seen it when it first came out in theaters so many times and it still blows me away it's just really it's a great premise and like I said I was I was spoiled I knew that Arnold was the good guy and I think what it was now that I think about it it was he was on a talk show it might have been The Tonight Show or David Letterman or something like

that and the host asked him because i there's a rumor that you're the good guy in this you know. And he didn't say anything but when he said that i think it kind of spread and people kind of figured out that he was the good guy so anyway i will give this a 9 out of 10.

I i do like this um it's a good movie and again maybe there were movies like this where you know somebody went back in time to change the past and all that but this is probably one of the best ones you know where they did it he personally I think but you think that like time travel films are fundamentally flawed and you know the paradoxes and the plot holes so because you know if in reality if you were gonna why try and target him when he's got this guerrilla trained mother with

him just going bump off his grandmother or his great-grandmother or something down the line that should have gone back to the 1920s yeah and uh i'd like to see some god of petty fathering trying to escape from somebody with a future killer robot for the future so it's true yeah we could pull out the musket and uh but you won't have much of a movie true yes but if you if you did have a time machine you go back and eradicate terminator 3

onwards i think probably be the best thing to yeah boom just put them out put them out the misery and just fight and i will say that the terminator series for me ends with terminator 2.

It does i i mean even though it's canon the other ones i don't consider them canon i don't think any of them really made any money when you think about it and they only made it because agreed they knew how successful terminator 2 was but they had the perfect ending for it but they like well we need to make more money i'm pretty sure maybe terminator or three might have squeaked out a little profit, but the rest of them didn't make any money and the TV series that they had,

I don't think made money. It's just, you know, you should have stopped.

On top but you know they're going to reboot this series at some point with a different actor with him with arnold schwarzenegger in this time and the face will be on now no he'll be gone you know they'll get a different actor like the rock you know yeah or john cena oh please no the only good thing that the terminator films brought us was and i will put it in the link below and see that you can go and listen to it it's christian bale's outburst on terminator salvation

oh yeah it's true now now that is great that's wonderful thank you so much for continuing the series just so that we get that outburst at the person that was in his shot amazing um so yes i'll put that in the links below um it is the law of diminishing returns it doesn't get it gets progressively worse if you look at terminated genesis i think that is abysmal but then you've got terminated dark fate which is even worse and it's just it's just well I obviously because

I think terminators the top and it just goes just goes downhill terminator Dark Fate sounds like a brand of cologne I think I'd wear that on the night out in Leeds yeah. Smell don't terminator Dark Fate yeah I thought you were sexual Panther works whatever the ladies love works 100% of the time 40% of the time.

Right are we on to roll call then should we do this this could be quite quick but I think it might have to have interlaced with it Oscar Bantz Dom are you ready I'm born ready mate great excellent here we go roll call, roll call so we start off with Arnie just before we go to our short story the one thing that you know We have action here is in the 80s. Let's let's go with Bruce with this. Let's go with Sylvester Stallone. Let's go with our short, Action heroes.

It's not in the same Yeah, it's like you can't put like Han Solo up with Diehard John John McClane. Yeah. Yeah I think there's a case. Where do you stand on Van Damme? That's what I want to know. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I used to fancy Jean-Claude Van Damme. I used to have a massive poster of him. I bet you did, yeah. With his legs split. Oh, yeah, probably. Wham, bam, thank you, Van Damme. She got Tippex and started Tippexing bits of him out. No, I used to post a poster.

Is that you for me? I don't know if it's... I was an adult at that point as well. That's wrong, isn't it? Was it a life-size poster? No. Yeah, she had a cutout, the one from the foyer of the cinema. Like pin the tail on the donkey. Oh, she pinned the tail on. Certainly. I didn't care for his mullet much. Let's just say that. Something to hold on to, I think. Arnie. I think the difference is with Arnie is Sylvester Stallone can act. Bruce Willis can act. Arnold Schwarzenegger never acts.

Is that fair? That's debatable. Is that fair? I would say that's very debatable. Well, tell me any other performance from an Arnold Schwarzenegger film where he plays anything other than Arnold Schwarzenegger. No, well, I'm saying, you know. Twins. Twins. Next thing you're going to say, Junior. Oh, yeah. Kindergarten Cop. Kindergarten Cop. Yeah, that really tested his acting shots. True lies. He was good in true lies.

It's not what happened in True Lies. Right, you've got Sylvester Stallone, Rocky, incredible. Yeah, but he was playing himself. He breaks down in first blood. No, he's not playing himself. He's not playing himself. Stallone's not a great actor, I'm sorry. He's not the best, is he? No, he's never been nominated. Wait a minute, I never said he was the best. I just said he can act, Willis can act, Arnold Schwarzenegger never acts.

He just projects onto screen and just basically and don't get me wrong no that's fine it's fantastic you know that's like keanu reeves clean eastwood you know i mean they're not great actors a great presence and schwarzenegger is a great presence as long as he takes his shirt off every now and then for most people yes and again don't do him a disservice because in in real life as well he's a rich kind of interesting character isn't he obviously his entire bodybuilding career which was you

know absolutely elite level stuff that is run for political office success he was a governor of california wasn't he and um you know he's much more than just a beefcake actor um i will agree he's not uh he hasn't got a huge range but there's a difference between being best and being favorite and he was definitely my favorite actor when i was younger growing up you know come on come on go what's like a film then you just went to see it automatically i I can't think of many other actors at that

time that I would slavishly follow like that. Yeah, okay. I mean, again, it goes downhill. I mean, you've got the wonderful thing. You've got Total Recall, Kindergarten Cop, Terminator 2, Last Action Hero, True Lies, Junior, Eraser, Jingle All The Way, Terminator 3, Expendables, Batman and Robin. Terminator sequels. And you're like, what, man? What are you doing? Just have some integrity. Just stop appearing in these. He had a campaign to run.

Was his first movie, was it Hercules in New York or was it Pumping Iron? I think it was Pumping Iron and Hercules in New York very quickly after that, I believe. But I might just have lost the quiz for everyone. Well, I will say, if people haven't seen Pumping Iron, you should see it. It's a documentary on, you know, bodybuilding and Lou Ferrigno's in it.

And schwarzenegger is i think that made him a star just because it's it's a documentary, and he just kind of plays himself and he's the perfect villain you know if if you watch that movie it's a great movie yeah absolutely i mean as you say presence um definitely i have a very personal uh thing at the moment because he didn't have a good um pandemic when healthcare passports were introduced and he came up with screw your freedoms i was like yeah oh great

thanks thanks for those who want to make a choice yes you just uh alienated 50 of the audience you fascist amazing it's like the deplorable show over there isn't it suddenly 50 of the audience gone well i was over here too.

Anyway we've done we've done our audience nodding politely on the uh speech there but can we go back to his films in the 80s then so um yeah because there's obviously the determination predators stand out ones but i think um commando raw deal that oh commando something incredible shoot shit up it's great yeah red heat you know kind of um east west tensions and uh and and then you're running man absolutely brilliant film yeah it's uh,

yeah definitely and what a massive stroke it was to create a teaser for terminator 2, and to show it when when you went to see total recall so they created a teaser i think it spent 125 grand on the teaser trailer and all it is is just machines being assembled on an assembly line and showing terminator loads of them loads of them being made um and it was great i mean where else was the best place to show it when you're going to see total recall which is a great film.

But yeah does anyone want to make a case for his later films like the last time let me just chip in where it all went wrong for him, Kindergarten Cop so I know he made good films after that like True Lies and Terminator 2 but when people try and step out of character and play go down the comedy route that's where it all went a bit wrong for him I thought he lost his kind of credibility and his edge a bit he should have stuck with what he

was doing because you know he hasn't got this range it's all well and good for some actors to be, versatile and try and different things and we've seen it successful and successful examples that but for me that was just awful I wouldn't watch kindergarten cop or twins if you if you paid me I liked the kindergarten cop I thought that was good it was all right a bit dark a bit dark at the end but yeah I I think yeah I remember what made him fall from Greece

was last action hero that was his first bomb, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely Anyway, that was me that would be a good choice for someone to revisit on this I'm a series that we're doing a trip into the 90s whatever dip into the 90s because some a I love Jamie Lee Curtis She's one of my favorite actresses, but be yeah, does it deservedly trip him up and does it deserve a critical re-evaluation? Is she in it? Yeah, she's amazing. Jamie Lee Curtis. Oh.

In last action hero yeah is she i don't think so okay oh sorry i get mixed up with true lies i thought that's what we're talking about oh yeah true lies yeah true lies in a heartbeat yeah, although we might have to call this the james cameron podcast because we've done quite a few now but still okay it's probably good reason for that um let's move on uh linda hamilton not a lot, i'm afraid anyone i got an interesting story good because i'll tell you what she was in what she was

famous for before this was uh beauty and the beast um and a guilty pleasure in fact i've been told don't call it guilty pleasure just go look screw it i love this film dante's peak yep yeah i do like dante's peak i think it's a great film i think it does exactly what it says who's the star in that movie oh your favorite yeah that's why i never seen it there's brosnan oh it's better, I actually know that's worse. Linda Hamilton, give us a story because I haven't got anything else.

So Linda Hamilton, my friend, she lived in Maryland and when she was younger, when she was like a kid, Linda Hamilton was actually her babysitter. Oh, okay. That's where Linda Hamilton was from and she was in high school, probably was in high school, but she used to watch her and her sister all the time.

And the people knew about linda hamilton back there you know in the town that she was in and that she wanted to be an actress and that she wanted to go to hollywood and and most people didn't believe that she was going to make it so it was a surprise for them to see that she went on to be successful and she became very successful not only that she married James Cameron and then he fooled around with that chick on the Titanic the one

that's barely in it you know the she's kind of like the the granddaughter of the old bag in present time and he ends up marrying her and Linda Hamilton got like I don't know she got a lot of money at least 25 million dollars.

Which i think was pretty cool of her i mean if you had a million dollars especially back then that's pretty cool yeah okay well it's a bit of a surprise she's going to do better things because she's good in this so she's the only one that really has to act isn't she the rest of them kind of just solve the like robots aren't they but um and she's in brilliant physical shape in this film as well a bit sinewy but um you can't fault her she's also been hitting the gym so So, yeah,

I was so impressed with her physique, you know, because back then women didn't look like that. And when you look at her, you compare what she looked like in the first Terminator, which she kind of like was like a damsel in distress. She was a girly girl. And then she transformed her body into this. And I know it affect a lot of women. You know, a lot of women wanted to look like her. They started going to gyms, you know, because, again, if she could do that.

Any woman could do that you know get in physical shape like that and you believed her like nowadays when you see zendaya kicking the out of 20 guys you know she's got spaghetti arms and spaghetti legs yeah you don't believe it but i would believe it if linda hamilton was yes she's incredible body and she's a huge big inspiration i think you know back in the 90s for for women Oh, along with Sigourney Weaver, definitely. The two of them. Well, Sigourney didn't look as... She wasn't as built as,

you know. But she was the sort of the underdog. She was kick-ass, though, yeah. Sure, absolutely. 100%. Moving on. Edward Furlong. Again, time and acting and luck was not on his side. Well, I think he's best described as a troubled individual. He had several scrapes and run-ins that a little rascal with a law. in real life as well, didn't he? All we have to do is look at photos of him on his Wikipedia page. He looks increasingly...

Lord, yeah. I don't know what we can say on this pod, but like he enjoyed the party lifestyle a little bit too much. Yeah.

It's kind of like watching uh seeing a picture of kelly mcgillis and then going and squinting like that really is that is that them inside yeah okay well it's richard finder bridge or bridget fonder oh colleen camp yes that that photo that i sent you a long time ago she's been a bit cruel about women aging there but this edward furlong guy it just looks like a anti-drugs campaign as you as you scroll down his wikipedia pages just these mug shots where that's increasingly deranged

but you did do one good film which we yeah there we go yeah we've talked about this season previously and maybe maybe somebody will go for it uh american history x he plays the younger brother to ed norton in that and it's uh he can't he can't act in that either, it's not right okay that's just but but he contradicted but ed norton acts for everyone in that film so it just pushes up he just pushes up everyone else's average that's fine okay Well, fair enough.

He's also in Detroit Rock City, which is rubbish. But anyway. Right. Let's go. We've got three more. Robert Patrick.

Okay. Nobody? Anybody? Yeah. A film that my kids like, Bridge to Terabithia. He's in that. He plays the dad in that. Oh, that's so sad, that movie.

I've never seen it. I cried in that. I couldn't wait to the league i i was again i was with my friend kim and we went to go see it and we both like looked at each other i hate this movie it's like because every time you would stop crying something else would make you cry more and i in and i will say um i do cry at movies at times not all the time, but yeah that movie is so sad what's it called bridge of terabithia yes so terabithia

is this kind of fantasy world that these two children who are good friends create and without spoiling the film because it's definitely worth watching there's a there's a tragic event that happens, half two-thirds away through the film and i watched it with my youngest daughter rose when she was 11 or so and yeah she was in floods of tears watching it and uh just took at the heartstrings but it's not just a sickly sentimental film it's um it it kind of earns the the right to,

to hit you like that i think so it's worth watching hope it hasn't put people off but But yeah, Bridge of the Terabithia, where this Robert Patrick plays the kind of grizzled, hard-working dad. It's a good performance and a good film. I didn't have that on my list, so that's great. Because it's a recommendation for me, because I'll go and watch it now. Okay, mate. If the two of you like it, yeah. Like you normally do when you watch your films, Charles.

Just have the Kleenex at the ready, eh? But this time, it's time for tears. It is a sadness. Yeah, I make riot movies. Charlie hugs his friends. Very good. Thank you, everyone. Robert Patrick, Die Hard 2. Let Us Not Forget. Really? Yeah. He's one of the terrorists that are waiting for them in the end of the escalator. Well, not escalator. What do they call a flat escalator? Flat escalator? Travelator. That's what you run on for. That's like for gladiators.

Travelator. It's not a travelator. I'm sure it's called something else. It's a travelator. It's a travelator. When you get to the airport and it whips you along on the console. It's a travelator. I think it's called a people walker. There you are. For God's sake. That's better. That makes more sense. That's like coming out of Game of Thrones. Rather than gladiators. People walkers. It's not called, it's none of the above. Let's just call it what it does.

Wayne's World, Fire in the Sky. He plays the T-1000 in The Last Action Hero. Hero as a sharon stone player katherine trammell in the last action hero which we discussed before jb lee glitz is at this point again and just to compel my earlier error, striptease cock land the faculty uh he was in the sopranos what cockland oh cock sorry what did you think i said cockland filthy mind that's a completely Completely different type of film. Need you Kleenex for that one as well. He wasn't in that one.

He wasn't in that. Amanda would like to visit Cod Clan. No. The Sopranos, X-Files, where he took over from Mulder and completely destroyed the show. And Charlie's Angels, Full Throttle. Where he's in it for about, I don't know, five, six years. I was kind of surprised he didn't go on to have a good career. Yeah, he might have been in all those movies, but he'll always be remembered for Terminator 2. How have we got two more people to do after those four? I'm doing a quick one.

Jeanette Goldstein, obviously Vasquez from, obviously he has because I think that, Vasquez from Aliens.

She's also in Near Dark. She plays the foster mom. this was the first time i i recognized that those were the same actress i had no idea that she was vasquez and aliens right yeah well answer the phone isn't she that's right yeah yeah she was the mother she was also ripped uh in that performance today i mean it wasn't she if you talk about women who've been incredible yeah and i said it on my podcast if i went into battle battled I would love to have Sarah Connor and Vasquez on my side yeah

I don't know against the you know incoming invasion of Terminators or whatever the hell else is okay they are only actors you know that nobody but they but I'm just saying a type of person like that and instead of having friggin Zendaya next to me in battle you know because like on my podcast I kind of rag on a lot of times how they make women so powerful.

Yeah, but those were powerful women. You know, like if you're going to talk the talk, you better walk the walk. And, you know, I believe that Vasquez would kick my frigging ass and so would Sarah Connor. You might have just described the plot of Cotland. But anyway, if you've got them either side of you, I'm sure you're in heaven. Women know your place. That's all we say on this pod. Well, we're appealing to that 3% now, aren't we?

3%, exactly. The last one, Joe Morton The guy from Cyberdyne Systems, I can't remember his name, Just call him the black guy Charles Gorg It's just the black guy, He was the commander in speed Executive decision and came back for the abysmal Speed 2 cruise control Of which he was uncredited I thought he was the most believable Dyson, that's it, thank you Yeah, Dyson The minute the LAPD rock up The first thing they do is shoot the black guy So I thought that probably was the most believable

thing in this film, really, to be honest. Crikey, social commentary. I'm going to take the me at this point. That's the end of Roll Call. Right, to the film? He was in Justice League. He actually played Cyborg's father. Yeah, I forgot all about that. Presumably, because Justice League is dreadful. My brain just shut it out. Right, to the film then. Can I just point out that one of the things that you said at the start is about the CGI in it. I don't think it overuses the CGI.

I think he's got a toy, which he got from the Abyss and went, oh, right, OK, I can do some other stuff with this now, and does it really well.

But they wanted to CGI the helicopter going underneath the bridge. No. And they wanted to and then they said right if you're going to do the helicopter underneath the bridge forget it um we're not going to film it so he just got the pickup the guy in the pickup and he went on with him and said i'll do it myself it's fine i don't need if you don't want to do it if you don't don't believe in it that scene reminds me the scene in blue thunder where they're going down the the break

and they're going in and out and i couldn't find it in time And I'm sure it might be, but it was Vietnam Vets that I know that you've all seen the cameo that I had from Malcolm McDowell, where he was explaining how those scenes were being filmed. And he says it's basically extremely good chopper pilots that don't have the fear and that can go and do that sort of stuff. And I'm just like, that's incredible. That's the thing, and I'm not going to get on my soapbox, but I'm just going to say this.

That's the thing that is missing with films these days. Oh yeah it's just that proper action yeah it's just it's just a stunt it costs a lot though isn't it yeah it's a stunt though it's somebody doing something rather than CGI the stunt yeah but Mission Impossible is bullshit come back to non to actually doing a lot of action hasn't it you know yeah. You could have easily CGI'd that jump off the cliff in Mission Impossible. You could have just CGI'd it, give it to them.

But instead, you see the total commitment he has in order to make sure that scene is real. Like what Peter Jackson did with Lord of the Rings. Amazing film. He used CGI, you know, very... It was Gollum, basically. You know, minor things. Then he did The Hobbit. Everything was CGI.

And, you know, he got rid of, like, having actors portray the orcs with makeup that looked amazing and even you know what's incredible with this movie too is that whole opening scene that amanda has never seen is not cgi it's all practical effects and that's fantastic i mean good you know credit to him he's loving yeah yeah absolutely it is a great opening to the film it's a shame we've not seen it amanda because Because, yeah, it's executed really well technically,

but it's also pretty compelling, isn't it? I do personally love a good dystopian story anyway. And, yeah, I thought that was great. And, you know, if you're in a cinema seeing that for the first time, big screen, sound effects, then, wow, you're straight into the story. And without getting too far ahead of ourselves, the first 20 minutes, half an hour go along at an incredible pace, really.

And what's haunting as well is the sound effects it's the machines isn't it not the machines as such but the sound effect they put on when the music. It's sort of quite haunting and then we cut to our world and with a naked Arnold Schwarzenegger in a parking lot don't we, yeah surely you've seen that bit it amanda which picture did you where did you miss that well yeah so arnie with his bum out. Do you remember that point? What point did you start the film?

What do you mean, what point did I start the film? Well, you didn't watch the first bit, and you didn't see Arnold Schwarzenegger's butt. I watched it with you! Yeah, but you didn't see his butt. Oh, I thought you meant in today's... Sorry, I thought... Okay, yeah, in the film. Yeah, great, lovely.

Okay, well, that teed up the bit I was going to talk about, which is when he goes into that bar, and in an incredibly violent manner, acquires the guy's boots jacket and motorbike yeah which uh it's when he's thrown him and he kicks it through into the kitchen onto the stove and the stove's like really hot, snaps that guy through the shoulder oh my god yeah and he's literally hands in the keys so it looks like a bad mf and sitting on his motorcycle and then

just adds the shades as well just for to show that even as a terminator before he's engaged john that he's still got a taste of theatrical i think so yeah it's um i mean i love that scene but even with that scene you could tell he was going to be oh you could tell he's a good guy because if he would you know he would have killed everybody in that bar yeah definitely um also i think when you talk about the music that's probably makes me think about when um you

got the dead and dead and if you played that everyone just knows what what that is it's a bit like when john williams said that i've now got the uh i've now got jaws down to a thing and he started playing dun dun dun dun dun dun and he's like so is that it that that's that's not going to do anything well the rest is history so i think it is sometimes simplicity is just really really effective um in that sense so.

Yeah uh don before we go any more into film we missed that oscar bantz i thought i thought you might take an executive decision to skip it not at all man i just i just simply just simply glossed it over we were too busy talking about cop world or cop land well we don't we don't normally dwell on the um we should in this case well we should we should i like that all right i didn't get nominations then listen to that wait till you hear this yes we got nominated for.

Six Academy Awards and won four of them so it won for best makeup best sound best sound editing best visual effects and it missed out for best cinematography to JFK Charlie so your personal favourite and lost out to best film editing also to JFK as well so, nice normally it'd be a rhetorical question would you rather sit through Terminator 2 or JFK but there's at least will remember this pod for that that would be pretty jfk jfk terminator 2 but if you saw the

extended cut out the door that's what i say yeah if you saw the extended cut of terminator 2 you would have said they deserve an oscar for editing oh absolutely absolutely oh really is it not very good then no it just adds a lot of fluff it's like you know they extended the movie and they kind of changed a little bit of the theme like the thing that i didn't like is that they opened up arnold's head removed his his chip so he became a learning terminator and

we didn't need that you know that's just fluff yeah if you sat through the extended edition of jfk you'd die of old age or possibly still be going on at this moment yeah oh wait a minute it's my choice next oh right oh no bloody hells it's been a punishment choice it's not jfk here we go all right it's not jk Okay, and it certainly isn't Forrest Gump. Um... I'll have to leave that to one of you later. I know one of you is going to choose it, so it's fine. Probably Joe.

Probably sitting there waiting, waiting like this, going... Ooh, I can't wait!

Um yeah so again i think the start of the film i mean i remember the start of the filming uh in terminator equally you know visceral sort of start to it and sets it up i think it it doesn't do itself as much favors by playing bad to the bone that's kind of like yeah can we take we we kind of get that if not don't don't need to like point us to absolutely everything i mean i get that it's a bit more it's got a bit more fun in it uh this time on the nose yeah would

you want him to play locomotion dancing queen um well speaking of dancing queen we then get to a naked robert patrick i don't feel like i'm obsessed with the actors when they're naked but um he then morphs into a cop with his cop uniform i thought he was a bit um there really a little bit ymca in his cop outfit so that's my thought i'm not sure he was too much of a villain slightly slightly comfortable and perhaps see i i did have a well yeah i did have a bit of i

had a bit trivia robert patrick he learned to run um and just breathing through his nose and he became so good at it he could actually catch up with all of that because he wanted to give the facade that he's not going clutching at his heart going oh for god's sake please slow down you went to the uh it looks like you went to the tom cruise school of running as well. Yes, but this is one of the things that I've got.

Why would the robot, the T-1000, Robert Patrick, have a surprised look on his face and have a shocked look on his face like he does at the end? I'm not going to go there. Why? He's just a thing. He's just a robot. He should always look like that, and it should just be totally emotionless.

But he's like, oh, wow. ah wow why does he what why does he have to resemble a human or like because he could just be liquid and just get places faster he was the floor yeah i was going to say why didn't he like make roller skates when he was running after them on the skates yeah play the benny hill music it's the fastest form of transport as we all know so yeah Yeah, that's the head. He could have been in eight objects, couldn't he? You know, not humans.

Why was he taking human form all the time? He could have just been a bike.

And somebody sits on him and then gets, ah! He could have just been the motorbike, couldn't he? If he's liquid, he can hide down the car seat. We wouldn't need to park it because then he'd just change into a human.

And he's a fast runner too. It's like that, you know, the one thing that kind of like I thought about was when he pretends to be Sarah Connor and he calls for John why you just run and stab him instead of like reaching out to him well yes there is that um there is that I'm just picturing how he's how he's going yeah spoiler just spike him through anyway right oh that'd be cool yeah.

Just have to pause a moment because do you know how much i only got paid for this by the way did anyone do paid a lot i think i would say million um i would say 15 million spot on joe it was 15 million and he also got um the producer sent him a sweetener and said you can have a 14 million pound uh you've got gulfstream gulfstream jet so he had his own private jet said you can have this you sign on for it like he's not like he's of course he's going to sign

on for it but he has 700 words in this and so he gets paid 21 000 a word so the exact hasta la vista baby earned him 85 716 dollars wow that's pretty cool that was a huge catchphrase though oh yeah hasta la vista i'll be you know obviously i'll be back he's got to wangle that in each of them just because of uh just because um where did that first pop up i'll be back uh terminator oh where he went to the desk at the police and they i've not seen, i'll be back leans in there you go and then um.

Uh just keeps reusing it because everyone goes oh that's like catchphrases isn't it yeah well if you just said it once it would be a catchphrase would it so hence but it would but it could be.

That'd make no sense hence thus it's a catchphrase that's what i say look let's move on i want to talk about the bit where um he does the foster parents because that's quite good scene are we there yet i don't know yes i think we've got i think we've just got to generally talk about the film now rather than go through it scene by scene which i think you're looking to do dom but we're not doing that no i'm trying to be here for another hour and a half when they're talking to each

other both being false people on the phone and um he says your your foster parents are already dead and he's got their knife through top three who said that community.

Your fist did you white bastard, that's the worst I've misremembered yes we've already done Lethal Weapon 2 and I'm sure we discussed that a great depth as well anyway, so Amanda you were okay with that mother striking her husband in the mouth while he was drinking milk but you couldn't watch the opening yeah she's funny like that yeah, yeah she'll watch John Wick she'll watch Decapitation she'll watch The Boys she'll watch all of that what,

some robots standing on skulls yeah oh yeah no but it's creepy it's not nice, what about when that kid catches on fire when they do the nuclear explosions later on in the film how did you feel about that yeah that was alright was it a couple of burning stuff in front of my eyes it's not real Hello, is it? But the robots are. No, but they could be real. That's just the thing. What about the security guard getting stuck in the eye? Oh, yeah, he gets fingered, but not in a good way.

He's killed by flooring. What a way to go. Anyway, moving it on. So, we get the twist. I don't think my fingering joke got enough love there. Go on. If we must move on. Well, we get the twist and we find out that in that corridor, you suddenly realise that Arnie's the good guy and Robert Patrick's the bad guy, which I think is a good way to introduce it.

Charlie, everybody had pieced it together by this stage. It's totally obvious. That's not a big reveal, is it? Especially if you knew in advance. Well, you knew in advance. I didn't know in advance I'm kind of like trying to work it okay wait a minute so the penny drops you about halfway through the film is it halfway through the film drops at the time when everybody else found out hello.

Oh god sorry I didn't work it out Sherlock Holmes but you know it's just one of those things where I get to see that guy that's indiscriminately murdering everyone I wonder if he's a goodie, I did like the scene in the mental institution where, she was kind of locking the doors behind her. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Because I added that extra piece of suspense, I think. But then when the T-1000 turns up and he gloops through the railings, that's pretty cool.

Oh, and the cigarette falls from the psychiatrist's mouth and you're like, as in, what? That's brilliant. That's brilliant. That is a good scene. Yeah.

Definitely. She learnt to lockpick in real life. Linda Hamilton, so that she could actually, when you see her unpick a lock, she's learnt how to do it, which I think is pretty cool. Always good for later on in life. I wouldn't say it's Robert De Niro-esque style method acting, but, you know, at least it's something. Shows commitment to the role. So now we know what the surprise is. We now know what's going on. And now you start to see Edward Furlong be incredibly annoying.

I think. I don't know. He's just a kid. Is this the bit where we get to Mexico? Are we at that stage yet? We can do because we can go on. Yeah. Well, we meet our first non-American character who's a drunken, you know, semi-Mexican. Yeah, she thought it was a bit dodgy. But yeah, this is where the film sags.

You have all that brilliant build-up, the hospital scene, the escape from there, the bit where he's chasing after the car, spoofed by the Simpsons, sent it round on the group chat earlier, yes feedback but you know fine welcome to my world well yeah well now's not the time but i'm gonna have to get you to explain that british's microwaving when you sat down the other day joe that was a bit yeah that was left field but anyway back to this audience still know what the

hell we're talking about um yeah forget to mexico then there's 20 minutes of kind of, well exposition thinking about the future conversations if i wanted to film like that I'd watch a film like that.

If I want Arnie, I want more Terminator on Terminator action and dumb stuff in the jungle. That's what I want. I've now gone to Predator, just in case you thought I should have relocated. Obviously, yeah. Arnie, that's what I want, an Arnie film, not like exposition and meaningful staring into the distance. That's bollocks. This is when film lost its marks for me. You know, Edward Furlong had to re-dub most of his lines because he was going through puberty and basically his voice broke.

So the only time that you see the actual recording of when he recorded it was when he was talking, when Arnie was asked, why do people cry? And he does that sort of, sort of in between puberty style thing. But yeah, he had to go back and do the whole lot. That was awful as well, by the way. Why do people cry? You shouldn't be having that sort of conversation in this film. And then at the end, yeah, spoiler, at the end, now I know why you people cry, as he was saying.

I do want to see that version I want to see these that's a good version that way you cry boy.

Oh boy right well we've got all over the place so yeah now where go on did you do a mexican impression charles i've been doing south african you know you can insult our mexican the same everything sounds indian yeah my wheel of impressions only has one impression that's that deviates slightly each time um yeah i just thought, that the edward furlong character wasn't very good um that's a bit of a letdown but here's cush and cush has already said at the start

that oh it's about human interaction human emotion and dom's just basically gone hogwash can you cut 20 minutes out the middle and just put it into two minutes because i just want to see more things being blown up definitely and it should have ended with a liquid nitrogen scene as well that's like that would that was a pretty clever thing to do um you know it was signposted but the number of times the camera focused on the words liquid liquid nitrogen but um you know

he freezes he shatters there you go but you know he's gonna heat up but they're in a steel works it's got furnaces it's gonna melt.

Yeah but if you'd swept part of him up or if it was a dustpan or something they could have legged it yeah but it would get back to room temperature, yeah but you know they'd have been too far apart that would have been a great ending for the film and um yeah we wouldn't have had another 25 minutes to sit through it was like crossing the snowman in reverse yeah it's the weird thing like what you said about his facial expressions he was like almost confused and puzzled as to why

his legs were shattering and stuff and you're like well he's a machine he wouldn't have done that he would have just tried to carry on, he was advanced I mean he had maybe he had some kind of human you know feelings in a way although, I think if your legs are shattering off the ankles there is a bit of a WTF moment going on there isn't there really it's just like you know, Just take that in your stride, would you, Amanda? No pudding-sended.

Yeah i'm gonna talk about uh can i just say the one that while we're on that particular subject why is throwing him into a into a hot furnace gonna kill him i don't know it's exactly the same question because that's not gonna stay at that temperature forever is it no he's gonna presumably they can all mold back in and he can climb out yeah but would he just float on the surface because he's a different metal yeah yeah presumably i

mean it's like uh you know the ring and more door you know exactly yeah oh god listen to it all right that's it the two of you well there is a historical comparison here that we could use yes lord of the rings terminator, amanda's right it would float at the top it would it gets turned to bolton's slag slag. It's turned to modern slang. That's what it is. I remember my chemistry. I've been doing GCSE chemistry revision this week. My daughter.

Fuck me. How old until Amy does that? How many years has she got until she does the GCSEs? Oh, she starts next year. Oh, good luck. Doing combined science. Honestly, it makes you realise how thick you've become because I can't remember any chemistry whatsoever. And then you have constant rousing children to get them to revise when they don't want to, especially when it's so outside. Oh, we have that anyway.

Oh, just next level. So that's why. I did. I'd have jumped into that molten steel earlier today. So yeah, I think it would just, like the T1000 would just be a layer on the top because his metal, because it doesn't say what it's made of. Obviously it's very intelligent because it can gloop back together and remold itself. So it wouldn't just want to mix with normal steel, would it? It would want to do something different because it's supposedly some kind of advanced technology.

Metals thing yeah it can pull itself back together we've just seen it do that why can't it was really hot yeah really hot it was like the sun hot it was well hot so therefore it it trumps everything you just talked about because it's well hot so did you not see him go through his like he was he was trying to turn into people who'd already been in the past why because it was well hot that's yeah Yeah, just accept it. He was dead. And then the film with Brookley did end, so thank God for that.

Thank God, yeah, you didn't see the futuristic ending. You didn't mention Linda Hamilton's twin sister. Yes, so who was in the scene. I didn't mention it. No, why didn't you mention it?

Oh, no, when the T-1000 turns into Sarah Connor and calls John, on that's actually well part of it it's hard to tell like which one is her twin sister and which one isn't you probably know charlie i think the twin in the background because there's more depth yeah so you can go away with it but yeah it's very i didn't know she had a twin until we looked at the uh credits when we watched the film my friend did sometimes she babysat for her too.

I think there's some other story in there joe there's something that we're missing it's quitting babysitters i've seen that episode on pornhub yeah it's um where i went anyway, you know i'm porn hub babysitters yeah not you know babysitters not the not with not children i did this bit out of challenge this has gone this has gone bloody hell. Right well um you are right um terminator 2 should have finished there and then that's it There's no more.

But yet, they resurrect it, even though everything's been destroyed. I can't even remember what the premise for Terminator 3 was to... Well, hang on a minute, because... You know they had to destroy the chip and the arm? Well, Arnie's arm in this gets mangled up in the steel, and it pulls off, so they've got another arm. They didn't destroy that arm. Does that... That's just steel, though. The chip was the important part with Arnie. army.

No you see that in my mind was like oh my god they've still left a piece of robot behind the janitor threw it out, does that not does that not like lead into Terminator 3 or anything I can't remember honestly it's just you see the turning on of Skynet, in Terminator 3 so it still happens yeah well Judgment Day does happen in Terminator 3 yeah I can't remember Terminator Genisys it was just it was all a waste of time in Terminator 2 then yeah yeah so how did that actually happen then in,

Terminator 3 they send back another robot this time it's a woman it's a chick it's a chick yeah Christiana Loco the supermodel at the time she's hot yeah she was was. But yeah, basically chasing John Connor and.

Um claire danes from like roman julia but she was the daughter of the admiral that's working on the project to purge the system of something and it's called skynet and it'll make everything better so skynet creates the problem and then said oh we're the solution to clear it so you might as well give us full control over everything and they do and they set off the nukes and it's just it's it's possible if it was raining on a sunday

afternoon and you can't get the tv to turn onto anything else and already get its rise in the machines. Yeah, okay. But just for historical reasons only. Well, that's quite a bleak thing. Go and read a book or have a walk or something. Just sit there and watch. No, you're strapped into the chair. You can't move because your legs have gone to sleep. There's a few more layers to what would be required. Fair enough.

But it changes the whole premise. Like, my name that I have above is no fate, but what we make, basically.

They basically say in this one no there's fate you can't change fate, oh and in the end there'll be a dark fate so yes we're coming full circle Linda Hamilton looks like Hillary Clinton during the Me Too movement where no longer was it John Connor that was the chosen one it was some Mexican, girl that was an illegal and sneaking into the border and then there was a female Terminator protecting her you know it just gets blown away

junk oh yeah gets blown away by Arnie in the first two three minutes what this super woke Oh super work it's horrible right to go through anyway right so just leave it a Terminator 2 then yeah just leave it Terminator 2 that's a bit messy.

So we went over an hour yeah so we're just gonna well yeah anyone revised the scores based on our discussion anyone lowered them on the no but i want to just point out the reason why i've called myself the police chopper pilot is because when the team was that goes up in the helicopter he just basically says get out and he went okay and then jumps out of play out the helicopter and you're like that's just and dies instantly as he hits the concrete he might have survived i'd rather have

took my chances with the you know stick a stick a thing in my lie like you did to the security guard no resistance it's like don't be crippled be crippled and in pain i'd rather be crippled you know break my ankles break my knees you know surrounded by police that can't help you because nobody could use anything because the radios are fried los angeles is gonna have the best specialist lower um body repair hospital in the whole world because all these people where we parted in

the various ankles knees thighs missing yeah and what you guys don't understand here too is that like when you get injured on the job over here you get disability means you don't have to work anymore but you still get paid exactly he'd be thinking as he jumped out of that helicopter everything yeah.

Yeah like when you said like i felt bad for that guy that got kneecapped by arnold schwarzenegger i was like well no he doesn't have to work anymore he's a police pension yes police come true yeah yeah you should be thanking him for shooting him in the kneecaps gives me an idea for work this week. Anyway, on to the next film Oh god, I've got a sense of dread Well, you should do Who's picking it?

Me, Charles He's in a feisty mood and he's going to choose a punishment film, It's not a punishment I don't think it's a punishment film at all But yes, we're going to go all the way back to 1992, and we are going to I think we've had a lot of action We've had a lot of, Pulp Fiction we've had a lot of stuff like this doesn't sound good so we're gonna we're gonna get a bit of love back into the podcast i think we're gonna oh god not robin hood no not robin hood oh well

there you go it's the bodyguard no yes we're gonna do the bodyguard you like the bodyguard i love the bodyguard he's chosen the bodyguard did you not look at our demographic figures the other i did and the bodyguard i think it'll be a very good choice and i didn't think you like kevin Costner I'm shocked that you chose that Good lord how many times have we talked about Kevin Costner I think Kevin Costner could do no Wrong oh yeah except for When it's dances with wolves,

Well I even said he was the best Thing in it the rest of the film around him was Awful For God's sake We're doing something different okay We're doing the bodyguard, I don't hate the bodyguard I'll let you know Charlie but, What's got Whitney Houston in it I mean come on I'm the queen of the night absolutely. Major star right there you go you've got that to look forward to in two weeks.

Stay with us listeners stay with us no CGI, no special effects and since we're over, so what's the deal so you guys I mean I'm saying we boil our water in a microwave you know you don't do that at all where are we going Joe's cryptic thing that he said to the group WhatsApp chat that I referred to earlier in this episode oh right sorry I never knew we were going to go straight to that before we said goodbye we're at number high so this is oh I hope it is No, but do you find that offensive?

What? Boiling water in a microwave? Yeah. It's not right. It's not right. I've never done it in my life. Do it in a kettle. Do it in a kettle or on your saucepan. I do it all the time. I hardly ever use a kettle. Why would you not use a kettle? What's wrong with you? It takes longer. Messy. Oh, Jesus. See, I'm not messy. It's a boiling unit. Do you know the water's already in the cup?

The cup's hot when you bring it out but then you put it on a plate oh god look at the process he's got to go through and he's got to I've got to wait for the cup to cool down while the thing inside it is cooling down how long does it how long does it take to boil a pot too I mean it takes forever a kettle depends how much water you put in depends if you watch it or not as well well indeed yes and it depends if you've got one of these new taps in your

house I have That's what I was on about, yes. That has instant boiling water on it. Oh, really? Oh, so you'll use that, though. And then you've got boiling water comes out. But it's better than drinking coffee with oven gloves. Presumably, that's what you do. You invite people round and give them all unique oven gloves and then go, oh, drinking coffee this way. And you burn your lip, surely. Health and safety, Joe. You don't burn your lip when you're drinking. It heats the cup as well.

It heats the handle if you put it all in like a way. So how are you going to drink it? This one's cold. Yeah. What? What? It's nice when it's cold outside. Oh. When's it cold outside in Florida? Well, sometimes I put the air conditioner on. Just to recreate it. This is the sort of quality content. All I'll say is microwave. The bodyguard, because the film will take five minutes to discuss. If you want some fun, stick three eggs in the microwave and stick them on, just three eggs as they are,

and put them on for three and a half minutes. And watch the fun begin. Well, my tip for the microwave fun is get a double-decker chocolate bar. I don't know if you have them in America. Put that in the microwave for about 30 seconds, and that's chef's kiss. So double-decker, microwave, 30 seconds. Yeah, that's my – if I was on MasterChef, that's probably my main course. A melted double-decker. It doesn't just melt because the nougat, how do you pronounce it, expands and goes all weird.

And then the chocolate base, honestly, just do it. Everyone rush out and get a double-decker tomorrow. Double-deckers are gross. They're amazing.

They're lovely I've never heard of them oh it's the whiskey inside is it Twix no oh I'm sure there's some US equivalent that is completely, awful I will say you guys do have better chocolate yeah yes yes we do and on that note now the world has righted itself we've moved on from microwaving water to acknowledging British superiority in chocolate, time to wrap up this pod yep okay well I'm going to say cheerio we have a Union Jack flying over this pod so I've

talked over the goodbyes haven't I bye goodbye you bastards toodle pip. I'll be back. Music.