EP.67: ESC Comparison

Welcome to the Rotor Revolution RC Podcast with Brian Birdsong. Alex. sixteen. Kenny Hutton. And Nick Wisdom. Ha ha. I'm trying to bait you, Alex. The Road of Revolution this is it worse sixty seven. Yeah. Sixty seven. Seventy one. Oh you forgot now, didn't you? No, it's still sixty seven. It's written right at the top of the screen. No, that was last week's. Was it? Or was that no,'cause sixty six, get your kicks on on episode sixty six was last week.

Well six seven. Okay. Uh somebody had to do it, I guess. Hey, welcome. There's there's no Brian this week. Brian is not feeling well. He's he's out for the count. He's got some kind of man cold something. So it's just Kenny Alex and I. He's feeling down a little bit. Hey, we got some listener emails. Oh we did?

Yeah we did. I got some good questions for you two. And I actually as I wrote this question or as I read this question, I was like, huh, do I really know what the answer to this is? I don't think I do, so I'm looking forward to this one. So I think we need to have a new sec segment. Uh called Radio Shack,'cause I don't think that's a brand anymore. And it can be you've got questions and we've got opinions. Non technical answers.

So you've made it to episode sixty seven and don't realize we're full of opinions? Uh You might be listening to the wrong show. Yeah. Uh Uh Rich, I'm sorry, I'm gonna butcher your last name here. But listener, Rich Descharlis Descharley, I don't know. Sorry, Rich. Uh wrote in to ask us, how do we know when the blades have stalled? What does that mean? How can we tell? Oh well. Um Are we talking stalled from Noto or talking stalled like way too much pitch under power? It's under power.

We all know how to tell how to tell the fine. It's hard to do that on electric unless you've got crazy angled pitch, you know, like above fifteen or sixteen degrees. I have gotten mine to do this. I have like, you know, fourteen degrees of pitch and I'm doing full forward Momentum stuff. And it's possible that what I'm experiencing is not actually blade stall, but possibly just running out of room, you know, cyclically because you have got pul full pitch going on. And it'll cause the machine to

React in a way that you're not expecting it to. And most of the time it like balloons or goes up, pitches up real fast, nose up. If you're like flying forward real fast. Aaron Powell Is Is this something that regular pilots will discover, or really you gotta be flying at the edge with a ton of pitch on the helicopter to ever get to the point where the other thing is? You've got to be doing something stupid.

I mean the only time I've really felt something I would consider calling it a stall is like doing old Pyrrhlips on something back, you know, five or ten years ago going slower like Nitro doing really too much cyclic, you know, and you get to a point where the blades start to fold almost and then you feel like there's just no, you know, not as much control and you have to kinda back off of it.

Okay, that makes sense. So Having it feel like it's just not responding properly anymore, that you're off the end of the curve where you get more response, more response, more response, and then all of a sudden less so. No, I I would say not even s I wouldn't even say less so. I would say the helicopter does something you're not expecting, like suddenly. Not less so.

Makes sense. Cool. We got another one too. The listener Zach Townsend wrote in to let us know he's thinking about getting into his first three D competition, but he had some uh good basic questions, I think. His first question is like which basic maneuvers should he be able to do before he considers entering his first competition? Rolls, loops, figure eights, inverted maybe figure eights, but that's a little more advanced.

anything crazy. But yeah, funnels in both directions and what you said, Kenny. I don't think you need to be able to do r necessarily rolling and pirouetting maneuvers all the time because You can put together once you can do the basic stuff, you can put together a fun flight, you know, that that's fun fun to watch. So I guess it also depends on what kind of competition are you talking about? Are you talking about doing like a regional urchup?

Are you talking about doing an F three N style competition? Because if you're doing an F three N style competition, well maybe it is more about, you know, how m nice can you make technical maneuvers look together? Yeah, he asked a a follow-up question on that too, saying like are there different skill level competitions available? Like what's the good beginner level, not beginner, but you know, what's what's the entry level three D competition? Is it the Urcha Cup?

That was a nice sounding motorcycle. Yeah, sorry, that's in the background here in Oh shoot, where am I? I'm in Atlanta, that's right. I'm not home though. I'm in a hotel in Atlanta.

I mean a lot of competitions do have a few different levels where you can enter the beginning or the base level competition and just do, you know, basic maneuvers. That's the most important thing I guess is just trying to figure out how to piece those maneuvers together to make it look like something, you know, even if you're just Getting started.

I think three D in the United States right now though, you would want to do one of the regional Urcha Cup competitions where they would did one at Spring Fling. I think they're dim w doing one at the Blades Grip thing. Did they do one there too? We're getting one at the Cincy SmackDown also. Yeah, C SmackDown. They're doing one in Arizona. So those are gonna be like I said, regional. It's not gonna be like

the people who won the regional competitions all trying to compete against each other. It's gonna be more of an opportunity to just get some some experience competing and see what that's like. It's funny because I was gonna talk about kind of this in my update.

Yeah. Yeah, I would think and I'm not a competitive pilot, of course, but I would think the Urcha Cup is a great way to get involved. Those are flights to music. And I think you can put a really good routine together to music with very basic maneuvers, whether it's just loops, stall turns, roles, just make it pretty, make a very flowing line, time it to the music, and you know, go for it. If nothing else,

Even if you're not competing at the same level as everyone else, you're just getting experience. You're getting over the nerves of flying in front of other people and judges and and you'll get valuable feedback from the judges. They'll let you know what was good and what wasn't and uh what you should work on. The nice thing about the Urcha Cup also is that, especially in the regional competitions, you're not competing against like Newt Maxwell.

and people of that caliber. So he asked if, you know, there's different degrees and yeah, in the Urcha Cup there's the quote unquote expert class, which is the amateur guys. And then you've got the masters, which is more or less professionals. maybe a few other guys who are just hardcore but mostly professional guys in there. Any advice for how he should practice heading into his first competition?

I don't know, I'd say like you you said use some music and then that way you can kinda time things better too. So I would recommend jump on the Urcha website, look at the Urcha Cup, and download the rules. The rules tell you how things are gonna be scored. So for example, yeah, there's people out there that

Like I know that when I'm competing this year there's people out there that can do more technical stuff than I can. But the uh technical element's only twenty percent of the score. The rest of it's centered Symmetry and centering, your presentation, your display of the flight envelope and your creativity and all that kind of stuff matter. So get in there and read it, dude. It's only a if you do that one regional too, it's only a two-minute and thirty-second flight.

And if you don't feel like putting music together, you can just, you know, put on your favorite song and fly for two and a half minutes at a regional thing. You don't have to prep it, so to say. Sorry. Yeah. Kind of thing. You know. But use music. Every Urchikup flight I've seen where they don't use music,'cause you don't have to, I feel like doesn't score as well and isn't as good to watch. Well, that's part of your presentation. So you're losing a huge part there. Yeah. Yeah.

So cheers. I recommend competing. It's fun. Do it. It's super motivating, dude. Like you have a a goal in mind and You'll find yourself, you know, picking a maneuver out that you wanted to do and practicing it on the sim over and over again. And you get out there and you try it and you're like, Find yourself progressing in a fun way. Yeah, right on, that's cool

All right. That's it for listener questions this week. Thanks for sending those in. Any other questions, you can always message us. Who wants to go first with little rotor recap action? You know what? I haven't been gone first in a while. I'm gonna jump in and go first. I know. It's been a minute. So Alex, you might you might need to to to put your ear mups on'cause I feel like y you might judge me here in a minute. Um I brought shot glasses, so every time you say spirit Oh.

Yeah. No, this isn't... Yeah. Oh no. No, I'm reading the notes. Don't read the notes. No. Like No, not unless I was bitten by a bug or something. Want like a different kind of day? Underwear line like where the spandex meets your skin. God. So I I did fly last week. I'm not even gonna go there. But I and I brought four models with me, but three of them were airplanes. Thank you. I just kinda woke up and I was like, I want a plank today.

Uh you know, I just I just felt like it. So Did you do this at a feeder where there's other plankers where they can feed? I quit the podcast. I quit. Yeah. I did it at our the usual uh hilltop field where we fly. So there's always a mix of plankers and helly guys there and it's a very harmonious mix. But yeah, I just I don't know, I woke up feeling like airplanes. And I also when I sold Mikado, I got rid of all my V plane stuff. So I had multiple models I had set up on the spectrum again.

that I wanted to sort of remaiden and get those trimmed out and ready. So I just decided to do that. So I also got to maiden my old school Zaggy four hundred flying wing that I built. That was super fun. I might put a modern power system in that. And anyway, I got that in the air. That was super enjoyable. So flew a bunch of airplane stuff and practiced smooth landings and I don't know, I just like I needed an escape. I don't know why I woke up in that mood, but I did and I had a

Do you ever find yourself just saying, I don't got it randomly while you're flying? I don't anything like that? I don't got it. I mean, I felt the urge, you know, to use the transmitter antenna like a divining rod and Yeah. I don't know why I just wanted to fly over the pits instantly. It was strange. Gotta do the old plank where you look straight up and the plane's going over your head and you're Why did you crash into the parking lot after telling everyone that the helicopter was dangerous?

Yes, yes, I did I did that. Um good job. For sure. But I also brought the Ogoblin Pro, which was the one I crashed. And I realized something after flying it a little more seriously. I I definitely missed something in the repair. It's flying really it's flying well, but there's something a little bit off. Like three percent off. Not like a lot off, but like you know when you fly a helicopter and you're like

This isn't quite as crisp as it used to be. And I don't know what it is, but I need to take the head apart. I'm sure it's just a bad bearing somewhere or it needs to thrust bearings or I don't know. You replace the tailblades? Maybe it's the tailblades and they're just a little bit off now.

No, the tail was was mint. Like n zero damage to the tail. It's in the head for sure. There's like just some weird little bobbles that didn't used to be there. And I'm like, I bet it's just something silly in the head. So anyway, I need to strip that and take care of that. Haven't done that yet. In other news, that was the only time I flew. I did get a bunch of heli flights in as well, but mostly planks that day. My Stratos 200 from XL Power showed up.

And I was out of town, of course, when it arrived, so that was a bummer to have to wait to get home for that. I still haven't flown it though. I did get it set up on Essentially what happened is I had a rotor flight FBL ready to go for it and I had a Spirit FBL ready to go for it. And then I heard that the Spirit Tune, which will be released very soon for the Stratos two hundred, before this episode airs, in fact.

was almost done and so I put the Spirit FBL on it and now I'm just being lazy and waiting for all the smart people to finish the tune and and then I'm just gonna load it and fly it. So Did you I have a serious question? Did you guys have a build party? How hilarious would that be? Yeah. You'd be like you can only install one screw, then you have to take a break for five minutes. We gotta make this last. Yeah. It's like it's literally four screws and sliding the boom in.

But yeah, I got that ready to go. It's all wired up. All I gotta do is drop the model. I want them so bad. They look really good. If I have to wait any longer, I'm just gonna install them on the M two V three pro and and go fly that and see how they are on a different helicopter. But yeah, I mean I have some thoughts on the Stratos two hundred. Should I share those now? Or we were gonna talk about this helicopter later? Talk about it. You know?

I mean I haven't flown it, so these are purely just build quality things. The skids I'm a little worried about. They don't seem as strong or as bounce back flexible as some other helicopters. Like I kind of flexed them a bit and I was like, I don't want to squeeze them as much as I would like a goose guy or OMP skids'cause I d I think they might break. Yeah.

So the canopy and I don't know if this is intentional to for weight savings, but it is thin. It's like blade nano S3 thin if you've ever had one of those. Really? Oh, like that really thin plastic thing. But Yes, a hundred percent. In fact, one of my batteries that I bought, which is a seven fifty for us, I think is too big because you have to really stress the canopy to put it on and I'm like, this is gonna rip like

I'm surprised no one's talked about that. You're the first person that's told me Yeah, I mean there's a lot of, you know, enthusiasm around a new helicopter and no one wants to say anything negative. And I don't mean to. There's a lot great about it. Don't get me wrong. Like the features on this thing, the plug-in boom, the way the tail motor attaches, the

the wire traces and the FBL plate, how easy it is to wire up, how all the wiring's right there. Like they did a lot right on this helicopter. Those are just two minor negative things. And the blades look awesome. I'm stoked to try the carbon blades. I don't know if they're worth it, but they look amazing. I look forward to seeing how they do in the air.

And I'm excited to have telemetry on a micro again, because that's been a minute for me since I left rotor flight. So looking forward to that. And it's fun to watch everybody be excited about to fly it.

I think there's a lot of people in the same boat I'm in who are like, Yeah, the tune for Mikado isn't out yet and in fact Mikado had some there were just some limitations in the software to set it up properly even. Like you could wire it, but They were having problems with the ESC needing to be D shot or something, didn't they?

Well, I think that's a good thing There were some D Shop things that got figured out, there were some value limitations and I forget which parameters that didn't quite let you get where it needed to be.

that were extended and uh we'll talk about this in the news, but Mikado was has addressed those things. So the Mikado tune will also be out really soon. The Spirit Tune's out, obviously the Rotorfly tunes have already been released, so It's not quite at the plug and play stage yet with any brand, but it but it's going it's going that direction and it will be really soon, which I think is great.

And I like this trend. I like this trend that like people are like, you know, if we release a pre configured tune and we make it easy to install on the FBL, like This is a great way to get beginners in the air quickly and also a great way to bring people into a radio ecosystem. Like if you pony up the money for spirit and there's a drop on preset and it's your first transmitter. You're probably gonna buy a spirit FBL when you move to a bigger helicopter. So it makes a lot of sense.

But yeah, that was the one thing. The canopy was a disappointment for me and the skids a little bit. I mean again, the skids I haven't broken, so I should shut my mouth and see how they perform, but the canopy I feel like is is Thin enough, I'm worried about it. I'm gonna baby it for sure. Compared to the other helicopters of that size? Uh I have not. Spent a lot of time weighing FBLs out of curiosity and drawing different options.

My the rotor flight setup I took was a was an original Nexus with a spirit micro receiver on it and I took the top of the original Nexus case off. To save weight. And I trimmed all of the servo lead from the receiver to like only an inch long and did and I got the weight down to like sixteen grams for a rotor flight set. Oh, that's really good. Um whereas a Nexus XR is like twenty four, twenty five grams somewhere in there, so it's significantly less for a micro.

The Spirit FBL weighs the W three weighs less than the Nexus by a few grams. I think it's in the like nineteen or twenty gram range off the top of my head. I forget. It's a few grams less for sure. So It's a cool helicopter. I'm excited to get it in the air. I've heard good things from from a lot of people. And speaking of the canopy, don't decide to save the canopy by flying without one because you will eject the battery.

Several anecdotes from friends now who have ejected batteries flying it without the canopy. I've noticed even with the M1 and two, all those small helicopters, you're better off to let the canopy be the abused piece because it's either gonna impact the board or tear something else up, you know, if you don't use. Yeah. I mean, if you're gonna fly without one, create some sort of velcro strap in the front or something,'cause battery's gonna leak.

And I think honestly, as far as back to the planking thing. You know, can you feel like guys when you're like on the edge of burnout a little bit? Yeah, I know when it's happening now. I I say now. It took me years to figure that out and now I go, Oh, I need to step back for a little bit. I feel like I definitely am there right now. And not in like a hobby burnout. It's more of life burnout. Like my work travel lately has been stupid. Did you've been gone all the time?

Life at home is just incredibly busy. There's just a I mean, none of it's bad. It's just a lot going on, a lot of activities. Every May though, the kids are getting done with their last stuff.

Yeah, they're finishing with school and there's all of the end of year stuff and the end of season soccer tournaments and lacrosse and flag football and I mean you name it, it's just been nuts at my house, so We don't have kids that age, but there's like kids going to prom and graduation and college for other people, you know. And I just felt like I was tired.

And it was just like br and so the Planker thing was like just a diversion, like a way to do something different at the field to not put any pressure on myself to do anything. And it was nice. It was nice. And you missed out on an opportunity to have a good time too. That's crazy. Ha ha ha. But I've made more decisions in this period of busyness about simplification in the hobby for me.

Part of it's selling my nitro, which I've talked about already, which I haven't sold yet because I need to be home long enough to pack it and ship it. So I haven't even listed it yet. But I decided I was gonna switch to one blade across my entire fleet. So moving to Azure Pros on everything in my fleet. So any helicopter I had that had SAB bullet blades on it, I took off and moved to Azure Pros and have been retuning those helicopters. If there was any need to after swapping.

I don't think there's a huge need to retain No, I made some minor adjustments to the O Goblin Pro when I moved it to Azure Pros, but they were really minor. And I'm just not gonna fly twelve different brands of blades. Like I I get excited about trying blades and at some point I probably will again, but I'm like, I'm not gonna try the Azure Pro Extremes. I'm just not. I'm just

I'm very happy with the blade and I'm just gonna put it on every helicopter and I'm gonna call it great. So I get that feeling. I did that. So this is the year kind of a simplification for me, I think, in the hobby. I'm slowly reducing my fleet again in size and switching to one blade and not too many models and I'm really happy with those decisions.

That's kind of me in a nutshell. Not not super motivating. Sorry, it's a little bit of a downer week, but it's just reality of time and the hobby, I think. That's weird because there's so many people out there that are just like getting into the flying season, you know? Like mm-hmm. Well, you know, I live in Atlanta, so our flying season's been going for a while. Yeah, you guys have the early start on me. Yep, you're just getting going. Yep, same situation though.

killing me, so it's the same thing, you know. Just too much too much work and it's making me where I can't go out get out and fly after work or anything like that. So I have to do it either one day on the weekend or Whenever I can fit it in, you know, like I was just out before we got on here testing the Aeon servo settings, right before we go. Oh, did they work?

Yeah, it seems like like there was more like overshooting. I think some of it it's all in my role on the helicopter that I'm using it on. Yeah. And it's if only if I smack the sticks really fast. You know, them servos are so strong and fast that you get like the exact movement out of your stick on the helicopter. You know the blades. That shake. Like I don't wanna say they amplify your shake, but more things come. You get everything.

almost need like to tune down a little bit if you're you're very sensitive with your finger movement basically. You can in rotor fly you can have more response time to kinda Yeah, like d dull the center sensitivity maybe or something like that. Yeah, that makes sense. I uh I bought something. You guys love that? Wait, did you get a It's a strata. I don't I've hovered over that thing quite a bit though. So Is it a V control? With multi-regional module. I bought a extended life battery.

Yeah, you're you're I bought another M1. Another. What do you mean another? What? Why? Like a backup M one. I don't even know why. Why? I just did I've been flying the the first one I bought, you know, and I'm like, Man, I just wanna have one so if it's broken I can have backup and I did this with the M two.

And I really didn't use the other one, you know, I just kinda kept flying the same one. Uh, maybe once or twice when the other one was like needed a tailblade or something, but I did the same thing, so I'm like, Okay, I'm getting a another M one to have two that work and then Like it that much then. I ended up yeah, I ended up selling the spare M two because I'm like, this thing flies

so close, you know, but it's smaller and easier to take around places and stuff. So I was like, I'm just gonna keep the two small M ones and and just one M two for whenever, you know, if I if I decide. I've been flying the M one so much I haven't even flown the M two but one time since I got the uh That's interesting dude. The two. Me too. Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I I I flew it once, but I keep going back to this. I think it's because of right now I'm able to fly the M one like in the yard where the M two does, but it's just It does take up a little bit less space. Yeah, that's what it is main mainly is I can take this thing and just fly it in the smallest area. And I don't think it's for everybody because it's so small that if you get too far away it's

definitely harder to to pay attention to it than it is them to. But for now it's working in the couple spaces I use it when I'm going places or when I'm at home. So it's pretty cool just to be able to mess with that and have something to practice. And it's actually helping I can notice a difference on larger helicopters because this thing is so small you have to really stay on top of it the whole time. You know, it's like Yeah, you do.

It's harder to fly than a large helicopter. You're constantly on it, you know, on the pitch and everything. So it's it's definitely helping in a way, in a sense, even though you wouldn't think it would. It is remarkable though, because I mean I guess just like when the first M two Mark Two came out, I feel like it kinda set the new standard for Mm micro feel and a lot of things have caught up since then. Yeah, yeah, they're all kind of getting on a closer level playing field.

Tactile? I don't know what I'm looking for. I was thinking it was gonna be more twitchy and stuff like a small one usually is and it's very solid. It just bigger than a helicopter that size ever has before, I think is really what it comes down to. That's physics is still physics. It's still a tiny helicopter and has those limitations, but

Yeah, it's its inertia is a lot faster. That's what I'm saying. It's more difficult even to fly than the M two just because it goes back and forth so quick, but the stability that it has makes it usable for me. I mean, it's really, really stable. Продолжение следует... Yeah, it's the only helicopter I'm comfortable flipping in my tiny backyard, so which is fun. And this one hasn't hit the power lines yet, but out of time, buddy. I still fly over'em anyway. Have you hit the trees yet?

I haven't any trees. So close. I have flown mine in my backyard a bunch as well in the last couple of weeks. I've gone into the grass three or four times with it. That's about it. Did you really need a backup or were you like, Man, I need a fix. I need a retail fix. What can I buy? Did you just want to buy something? Like I by the time it's Wednesday I'm like I haven't bought anything this week. Damn it, it's gonna be Friday. Do you get a different colour at least or

Yeah, I got I've the yellow and orange both now. Now I have small medium that's why that picture is small, medium, large. I have the Uh Yeah, you saw my picture. Three sizes of orange.

I don't think I'll go with any five hundreds though. Like the five and six look cool but I just never have that size. Like I'm either gonna fly the large one or the medium or tiny one. You know I don't really know if I like the five and six hundred size stuff. I like flying it when I have it, but I don't If I have it sitting there after a while, I usually just end up going back to the seven hundred. The M five is a really good helicopter though.

Yeah, yeah. They look like they fly awesome. And the the same for like the goose guy in that size range, but it just I know I wouldn't fly it very often. Yeah, that's what ends up happening, for sure. So on the M one, that's what I was gonna tell you guys earlier, I had um Like I get to flying this thing so much. You know, I'm like having fun with it and I'm like, I don't care about these little two cell batteries. So I'm just flying. Yeah.

Yeah, I have a few times now. I'm flying it. It's like telling me six point eight volts, six point six. I'm like, I better land Oh my gosh. And I like it warns you once you get to that point. And uh

I've made it down most of like three or four times I've done this where I've got pretty close and then like like last two times I did that I flew to like six point six. So around three point three, it does just go into like shutdown mode. It just tail goes out and it does a couple of spins and sits down. You know, I'm already near the ground when it does this, but

What's funny is this last time yesterday I was flying it and it did that. It shut off and I went over there to pick it up and you know, when it's in that three point three volts range, it actually reboots like three or four times. Like it's so dead it was rebooting.

Yeah. And I tried putting a new battery in it to fly another flight and it won't work. I'm like, what the heck? It was it it was no longer working. I'm like, this is crazy. Like it got so low that it lost the bind on the ELRS somehow. Wow. How is that possible? I don't know. It's like it glitched and dis disappeared. So I had to go in there and like turn the LRS off, back on again, and then rebind and then it was all good.

I tried several things before I found out that it had to have been that was the only thing it could have been. There was no telemetry coming through. No connection, nothing, and then yeah, it's like it lost the LRS passphrase or something glitched out. So crazy it went so low. But that's a possibility if somebody ever does that. If they fly too long.

If so with no telemetry, I've put uh like put the wrong battery in the helicopter and it's hilarious. As long as you're over grass, like all of a sudden you're flying and just like Kenny said, the tail kind of starts to go and then the head speed goes and it just falls out of the sky and you're like, what happened? And then you put a cell checker on the battery and you're like, Oh, yeah, that that would do it. It's like slow motion. Radium.

So that and the capacity thing was working enough to where when it goes down to the right range, it'll start speaking and telling you that, you know, like within a minute of it falling out of the sky. If you listen to it, you won't have it follow the sky though. Yeah, you get it you get a you get a warning like it's the head speed's dropping enough. Yeah, it starts soon as it starts to go slightly down, it gives you a warning and then you better land like within ten seconds.

I feel like I'm more aggressive and mean with the way I treat those batteries after watching Diego Arce fly his S one. And he beats the hell out of his batteries and he still gets like hundreds and hundreds of cycles on them somehow. So I'm like, Well if he can be mean to him, I'd fly way less aggressively. The little uh triple charger lead that they made is pretty slick. Yeah. It is nice that it's not parallel charging in the same way.

That when that ki I don't know if that's actually the cutoff or it just getting too low to run, but when it does cut off like that, the batteries weren't super like dead. They were just like three point five or six, which is kind of on the bottom border there, but they weren't n none of'em were out of balance, like, you know, didn't hurt'em to a sense anyway. So I guess it's every once in a while I wouldn't do it every single time you fly though,'cause you might end up going way down.

I want someone to make me a twelve S version of that three-way battery lead, like a six-way battery lead with a twelve S balance connector on it. But then you But then you'd need like a twenty four S charger or something like that. Like three different balance pieces. No, it'd be six two cells, so that's twelve cells. Oh I understand. Much like that. Second. Yeah. That would actually be pretty slick. I like it. Yeah. I just don't want to solder that.

If you're using that though, you can't like just charge Two at a time. You have to charge three at a time, is what I'm getting. I haven't. You can try The parent board I have for the M two has a bunch of X T thirties for the M two, but I don't I don't know if somebody will probably be coming out with one like this, you know, like a balance board. With a bunch of plugs.

Yeah, I hope so. Alex, I think you can charge one. It just needs to be in the right plug so that it shows up as the first two cells, and then you charge it as a two S lipo. So I tried that. Okay, so I'm using an ISDT Q six nano smart charger and I power it with a six S lipo and it it won't it won't let me. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but it will not. I got a charger and an M one battery right here. I'm gonna do it live on the air.

Okay. Kenny you you finish while he's figuring that out. God. Wow. Okay, so I I went out over the weekend, like, you know, it's a great it was really sunny on Sunday when it falls. Weekend here too. Yeah.

Awesome weather. So I'm flying my electrics for a while and then I I realized I did bring my nitro and it was just sitting in the car. You know, nitro sometimes I'll bring it out and I'll just get like through so many electric flights, I'm like I don't feel like nitroing. You know, just like getting getting it fueled up, having to think Back off. I've I've taken it a lot of times to the field and just have it there and don't fly it. So you know, not every time but sometimes.

So this is one times I'm like, I I should get out of the out of the car and flight. It's a really nice it's perfect nitro weather, you know. And I'm I get out there and I'm I fueled it up and I'm flying and I I did a full, I think Six, six and a half minutes. I can only get I don't know how long you get out of Nitron ninety, but it's not super long, you know, maybe almost seven and Yeah.

Yeah. So I'm getting close on the flight and I noticed halfway through the flight even I felt like a little like I looked in the muffler was kind of shaky, vibrating a little bit. You know that noise you start to hear in the mufflers coming a little bit. Yeah. But there was no lean I I'll fly it until I hear that little bit of sound and then shut the motor down, you know. What muffler are you using? It's the Kenny Co. pipe.

rubber mounted thing. Um so I continue flying. It's still rich. I can see tons of smoke coming out, just having fun with it and then Near the end of the flight, it started like right when I was getting ready to land. I was like maybe ten seconds from landing. I came in closer just to kind of check it out and get ready to land, and I looked at the the pipe and it's vibrating back and forth like three quarters of an inch. Like really. A lot. I'm like holy crap, that pipe must be built.

That in your FBL. It was still flying smooth. I got a lot of filters on it. Wow. It was not even shaking the helicopter, it was just the motor was shaking by itself. So I sh I hit hold like ten, twenty feet off the ground, float it down, you know, and I'm I go over and I'm shut it down, looking at it, and I'm like walking around it. And I'm like, huh, the pipe. I kinda it was hot, but I barely I tapped the pipe to see if it was falling off. And the pipe moved.

But the pipe wasn't falling off. Like the pipe was still tight on the motor. And I tapped it again and again. And I'm like, what's going on here? And the freaking motor. Bounce loose. the motor was completely just not even bolted in it. There was not one. No bolts? All four bolts, three of'em were gone and like like one of'em was hanging in there, you know. It was just You're literally like flying by the clutch holding it on with that.

I don't even know how I d well I I see how that worked, but I don't even know how like the the main gear didn't strip. I guess just the shaft being there didn't snap or nothing. I'm I got lucky. Wow, you got really lucky. And that motor's been bolted in there for like a year and a half, two years and never had Not really. It's crazy. You don't think it was already missing bolts and you just didn't notice it?

I don't think so, no, because like they were just like I want you to I'm gonna ask you about your bolts when you fly from Noah. I'll have to check my other four and my other nitro. I have the same nitro twice. I want you in my update to ask me my my about my bolts. Okay. Just whatever you do, don't ask about his nuts. Yeah.

I did stick new bolts in there that were missing, like loctite it all back or re-tight. I had to take the pipe off to do that because that pipe gets in the way of the left side bolt. Did you clean? Oh no, I'm just gooped it up and went back in. Okay. Yeah. Ha ha ha. Mm-hmm.

Stick the bolts back in there. I'll check them again later. You know what I should have done is what I do on the pipe and it doesn't come loose anymore is I use a dab of of JB weld on the nut on the nut side of the pipe and on the head so it can't spin and it's working.

Years now. And I need to do that on those. I think I'm gonna put a dab on the corner of the head of the bolt where it touches the motor mount so they can't spin out either. Because you can usually see that too. You can just look at it and if the stuff was cracked a little bit, you know, the epoxy you'd see that it was moved or spun.

So I've never had this happen though. Like I've I mean I've lost one single bolt back in the day on like a line, you know, T Rex Nitros would do it every once in a while, but yeah, this was crazy that they all just disappeared, like, see ya they're all out. So that was a fun experience, but I'm glad it didn't break anything. I just got it down'cause I kinda was you know, you kinda notice that stuff when you fly Nitro a lot. You kinda start hearing it or seeing something weird going on.

And at the field we had another little thing here. So you guys I I had um on that blade seven hundred I had a set of Theta servos. And I mean, I could use this as an example from all brands. It doesn't have anything to do with them directly, but the buddy of mine at the field has I guess I could y it doesn't matter if I use his name. So Carrie Brooks' old Goblin Rawl.

Yeah. He flew a lot, you know. He had bought it like six months or a year ago and has been flying it too, and it's got like these servos have I don't even know how many, probably thousand flights on'em or more with with him flying as much as he does. And the servos still work fine, but they had a lot of slop, you know, built up in the center point of'em.

So I was I I used to do this back in the day. I would take the servos apart. Like if I couldn't buy gears right away or I just didn't feel like buying a bunch of gears, I would take the servo apart, take the main servo spline, you know, the actual one when you put your servo arm on, that gear.

and either pull out or grind off the little stopper pin that keeps it from rotating fully and just take and rotate the whole servo horn a hundred and eighty degrees the opposite way. So that it's Oh, yeah, yeah. Tell me about that.

Yeah, it works. So running on running on new gears now on that side because most of the small gears are just spinning with speed and not with like torque. So when you crash or if you hit hard or use it a lot, the center point teeth right there on the horn get worn out on that main spline. So we did that on his. He had a really sloppy servo and it was actually creating like a scary blade flutter in the air. Like really scary.

I'm like, you gotta fix that or do something. So I took the servo apart and I flipped that around and took the pin off of it and stuff and that servo was so tight there was zero slop in it. It was crazy. Wow. Oh really? Gears after a thousand flights you could just spin around and use it again. Cool. Replace gears on the servo. Yeah, me either. Well actually it's not in the last decade.

Yeah, I mean if you crash'em hard you should take a look anyway,'cause you might have teeth that are ready to break off. Like I've had'em on old if you remember the Saveox ones like a line used to use, they would the teeth would actually chip on those when you crashed'em and they would strip'em out. And that's the last time I think I ever had any strip servos is way back then. Like

Most of the the servo gears are a little stronger nowadays. They seem to be making them out of steel or a stronger alloy. But that was cool though, to be able to get that done to where he could actually, you know, fly it without as much vibration and stuff'cause it was really sloppy. You could actually feel it in the air, the slop of the servo. You could hear it. Like it sounded like the blades were gonna just uh destroy the helicopter. Oh really? It was that bad and like sounded like a

What are they called? Like a Chinook or something? Like a black hawk coming in. Thumping noise, you know. Kenny, is this something that you know that it's time to replace them on the bench? Like you can feel the slop in the Yeah, you could like if you grab the blades, you could move the blades up and down, you know, an eighth of an inch. And you can see the server horn moving with it. Yeah, you could watch the the An inch? Did you say an inch?

Eighth of an inch. Oh, okay. Like enough to see the blade move and rock, you know, and then and the links were a little worn out. We replaced the upper and lower links on the blade grip arms too, because those are the first ones you wear out, you know, like the uppers. That tightened it up some but the servo one of'em was worse than the other two, so we flipped that around though and solved the problem.

That's not for everybody to do. And the one thing happens if you take that pin off and you rotate it, you're fine, but if you ever mess around with servo settings and you rotate the servo way too far, then then what it's gonna do is it's gonna break your potentiometer because it goes beyond the mechanical stop limit, you know?

If you happen to do something stupid with the settings. I mean you'd have to go crazy because they already, you know, rotate 120 more degrees. You wouldn't normally go that far anyway, but you just have to be aware that you did that and took the pin off. But it does work. Nice. Good tip.

Yeah, so you have like the newer servos, a lot of them rotate fully and they don't ever stop and it's because they don't have a potentiometer, the freeze and magnetic encoders or something, they don't need to stop because it'll just re zero, you know, it's doesn't make a difference, I guess.

Yeah. If you if you take those that don't have the stops in them and you like wind the servo around a few times when you turn them back on, do they unwind or do they just go to wherever the center point's supposed to be? It'll just find center point on zero again. We'll go back to the digital zero. That would be cool though. Turn it into a bunch of. Yeah. Hm. Did you do this at the field, like take servos apart?

Yeah, we just I did it real quick and once we did that one and test fluid again, he's like, Okay, I gotta go home and do the other two now. Wow. That's funny. It worked. That's too much work taking the top of a servo case off at the field. It was just a thing where he was already like with that helicopter, it's like, well, it's so bad you shouldn't fly it anyway, you know. So we didn't he wasn't losing anything by taking it apart, I guess. Normally you wouldn't want to do it at the field.

Nice dude. That's it, other than the crazy nitro stuff and messing with that and updating the server. Kenny's like a mad scientist in my mind. Like I just wouldn't do that. I know. Not not that I just wouldn't do that, but I wouldn't do it at the field. Oh when I when I started flying I would actually take the potentiometers apart and like clean the copper inside there and everything and redo those, like the the g the gold contacts and you know run'em another six months.

Totally redo it. Like put more tension on the little pins that push down on the actual, you know, PCB for the potentiometers. I would mess with everything. Tear it apart, put it back together. I feel very inferior in the hobby when we're talking to Kimmy. Yeah. Kenny is a true modeler, exactly. I'm just a moron who flies helicopters.

Uh-huh. Yeah. I would do all kinds of stuff. Hey, speaking of moron though, you're right, Alex, the the Why would you say speaking of moron and then bring me up? I'm bringing me up. Because I just said you were right. You cannot charge a single battery with the three balance lead. It won't do it. Gives me an error. Oh, you have to use all three. Yeah. You get some weird balance error message on the charger.

Wow, so you definitely have to kill all but then you gotta kill all three packs and then wait for all three to charge again. So you better No, that's what I mean. It'd be nice if like maybe you flew two of'em down and now you're gonna fly the last one and charge two. Sales pitch, you gotta buy six packs now. Yeah. I mean you just gotta get the voltages semi-close and then you could plug'em into that thing and let'em kind of equalize before you plug'em in.

They'll have like a twelve balance or you want to buy twelve'cause you you can't do it until you've had twelve packs ready to charge. Can you imagine charging these tiny batteries one at a time? Oh, with the M one? I've been doing that right now with that little single pin thing. Oh, you gotta get the three way. See what I've been doing is I've charged up like three or four the night before or like two hours before or something. So Okay, fine. Yeah, on demand that would suck.

What do you got? Man, I uh I have been uh is Nick, you you brought up like simplifying your life. Well I have accumulated ESCs and motors and blades and I need to sell them, but I really hate selling stuff. Fine. Like if I can't sell it locally, I get totally lazy about it and it just lays around. So Dude, I sold so many blades at Torches. I just brought them all, put them on a table, put post-it note prices on them, and they all sold in like an hour.

Yeah, well you were in a very active field. You can't do it at you know. Yeah, fun files. Fun fly. Yeah. But the next local fun fly I'm gonna get to go to is like in September.

So I guess I could bring them to the I could throw'em in my bag and bring'em to Atlanta. Will they sell at Atlanta? I don't know. I'm not sure it's a brand new fun fly, so I don't know how many folks are going, but hopefully a lot. Touche. Anyway, hopefully I put some stuff up to sell before this episode air so that you guys aren't messaging me letting me know how much you hate buying used stuff. Oh yeah.

So I got my M one, super excited about it. I'm like took it outside and it's super windy and I'm like, whatever, this thing can handle it and I opened the disc up to the wind, like you mentioned, Nick, and it blew down my street and hit my neighbor's tree immediately. First flight. That sucks. Um No.

So I pick it up, it's it it hits the tree and like bounces in the road, you know? And I pick it up and it it's fine. It spools up fine. And I fly it for probably one more battery and then it starts kind of glitching out and falling out of the sky and One of my servos went bad. So Kenny, you asked me earlier if I was going to mention this and I was like, I don't know. But here we are. So I have flown a buddy of mine's M1 more than I have flown my own at this point.

I guess on the servo's defense you did fly it into a tree. Yeah, so I sort of I have it. It was also raining. All the combination of good stuff. Do you ever fly when it's not raining at this point? Dude, it's just been raining a lot here. It's been annoying. Yeah. The neighbors are like, There's that big tall kid out there again playing with that little tiny helicopter in the yard.

It's pink. Yeah. But I've been like m you kind of mentioned burnout from life. I get that feeling, but I've been kind of deciding that I want to do the Urchikup again. Getting my music dialed in and kinda coming up with my routine. I don't I think s a lot of people choose like they kind of know what they want to do and then they kind of find some music that goes along. I I don't do that. I make my music and then I figure out a way to fly to it.

And if you've never put together a routine, like Kenny, have you ever put together a routine for anything? Like where you know what you're gonna do? No, just messing around with music and stuff. I've pieced two or three songs together like that, but not in competition. To fly to Even not in competition, like let's say you you know you want to do these maneuvers in this order. Nick, have you tried that? I I mean, does a dance routine count?

Yeah, like you're saying, it's probably easier to actually just do the music first and then decide what things to do during certain parts of the music, for sure. I I just think that if you haven't done this You should try it. It's motivating to me. I've got my song, I listen to it. And I don't do it all day, every day like But I'll play the song like three or four times and try to fly to it like on the sim and then I'll go out to the field and start practicing sections of my of my flight. It

Super motivating if you haven't tried this. I would recommend sitting down. Like you could even write it down. Say, I want to do these things in my flight and here's how I'm going to work them in. I don't know. It's pretty cool. I've been playing around with flying to music. Not like a set song, but experimenting with that and it is fun. I have something gimmicky I'm wanting to do with my music, um, for the Urcha Cup this year. I mean that checks. Yeah, that is something I would do. Yeah.

But I'm excited about it. And while I was out practicing one day, Kenny asked me about asked me about my bolts on my helicopter. Yeah, how how tight or how often do you check the bolts on your helicopter? Oh I don't I don't check them. I just fly out a lot. And then uh Yes. Other than Jesus, I don't know. Yeah. Did you hear anything tink off the blades themselves and put a chip in the paint? Oh no. Mm-mm. No. I dude I am I am really tired of

A, I'm tired of telling you a story about how I crashed. I'm tired of wrenching. I'm tired of building. So that in that aspect of the hobby, I'm worn out. And I'm out practicing. And I'd done like a harder flight. I'm out there by myself. And then I was like, I'm gonna put it up at eighteen hundred and kinda do my routine slowly and work on, you know, symmetry and things like that.

And it's not very close to me. It's kind of out it's pretty far away. I don't know. When I fly by myself I'm farther away for safety and um You gotta keep this going'cause like the listeners have a fan duel, you know, like a betting app where they're just placing bets to see if you crashed or not each week. Yeah, I know. I don't like it. I'm tired of it. I crashed my M one first flight and then this stupid thing. So I'm flying my N M seven R that I'm in love with and

All of a sudden I hear the blade like, you know that sound when you lose a link and the blade like whoop it it's loud. Yeah. I'm going to... And that happened. And I just see the thing fall from the sky. I'm like, great. And it hits in the tall grass. I'm like, maybe this is not that bad. It hit in the tall grass and I go out there and the booms broke and the blades, man. I can't find the blades because the entire head is gone from the moon. Forgot.

Was the main shaft okay? Like it just looked like the Jesus Bowl came out? Yeah, it was. Totally fine. Did you ever find the blades? Yeah, I found the head. It's in really great shape actually and I reflew it since then. Yeah,'cause that part just floats right back down, doesn't it? Were the blades okay? Somewhere random. No, they're not. I hit the button. Bro.

Actually, Kenny, I guess I had done a good job of tightening the bolts that hold the yoke or whatever on. What do you want to call that? The hub? The main hub? What is that thing called? The the swash follower area or the the actual block, head block? The headblock. Yep, it was broke in half. Not in half, but you know, he cracked'cause I assume after the Jesus Bowl left.

Seen heads fly off a few times at at events and yeah, that he usually comes down kind of slow. You might break the blades, but they actually come down way slower than the helicopter does. No, the follower arms were all bent up. Some of the links broke in half while it was ejecting like Oh my god. But I was able to repair it because if you remember the week before I also crashed.

And was flying another kit. And so I took parts off that other crashed thing and put it on this thing. And I have reflined it and it flies back. But doesn't this Jesus is it's the head bolt you lost, like up top? Yeah, the one that goes through the main shaft. That has like a l nylon locknut, right? Wow. You know, now that you say that, I I don't know if it's that model, but when I'm looking at one of the ones I have now, it might be that M7R, the bolt.

Barely protrudes to the nylon threads. Maybe if it's just barely. I noticed that also. But I went and I looked at my specter and it's the same way. Yeah it's real close like flush. Mm-hmm. I've had some models where it sticks two or three millimeters, you know, a couple out the other side of the nut, but I mean I don't know if it's gonna throw it off balance if you put like a one or two millimeter longer bolt in there, but I wonder if it's not. Yeah, think so.

I wouldn't think it's should be coming out early. Maybe it just worked its way loose from a lot of flights or something. You didn't have it totally s you know, crazy tight. I don't know. I have a serious question. Now I gotta check mine again. So I know this is something you've talked about in the past on the show, and I'm just curious. When you're flying by yourself and something like this happens, was there a part of you that wished you yelled, I don't got it?

No. I put I literally like w held the transmitter, put it down at my side and just went Walk of shame. I didn't say anything. Yeah, I just walked to it. I didn't say anything. Maybe Did your wife like tell you to take the trash out when you were tightening that Jesus bowl? Like maybe you forgot to snug it down good because you got distracted. No, I I know that I have had to retighten this one before, like it had come loose. And I just forgot to check it again.

Okay. Had you taken the Jesus pole out more than like or ever? Yeah. Yeah, probably a couple times. You know, I finally did this the other day on blade bolts, but on some helicopters that especially ones I travel with where I'm taking the lock nut off the blade bolt a lot. Yeah. bought a set of lock nuts so I can just replace those every now and then because I feel like I was goofing up the nylon enough at this point that it wasn't gonna hold as well.

Yeah, they could get that. Well, I actually had a time this was probably like twenty fourteen or thirteen. I was racing my KTM. And at that point, I don't know if they use these anymore, but the top bolt that holds your shock on, like, you know, it's a really big like twenty Yeah.

Yeah, there's just one long bolt that goes through the the top of the shock and one that goes through the bottom. And the bottom one I think has a regular n lock nut on it, like you'd normally see with like a metal lock nut piece. But the top one just looks like a tapered tip on it, you know, and it has like a threaded piece. Like it it's a it's a lock nut, but the ones that they use on these motorcycles

has a strip of like it's almost looks like weed eater string and they stick it in like a slot in the the bolt. So when you tighten it down, it smashes in with the threads and it works like a lock nut on the bolt, you know, it's on the bolt side. And I had worked on that shock and rebuilt it. Well, I put it back on there and I'm racing like a A class, you know, pro race. I'm flying. feeling. I'm like, what is going on? My rear shock, the top bolt just left the bike. Yeah. No way.

So I had to like after a lap or two of feeling it weird, I pulled off and looked and I could just jerk it up and down and the whole shock was like completely detached at the top. So I learned a lesson, like you can't even reuse those bolts. You had to like take that nylon that Loctite bolt and like redo it with a brand new one. It has a new strip of like it's almost like a nylon thing inside of the bolt. Crazy.

It's just a different type of nylon lock nut basically and it's on the bolt side. But Yeah, you're right. You could actually have that same thing on those nuts where you if you've taken'em off four or five times the nylon Stretches, you know, and it's not grabbing the threads as well. I just need to buy some new ones. Okay. Yeah, they get worn out after a while. Yeah, so I mean it's worth doing for peace of mind.

I mean you could double up on that, just put little dab of blue Loctite on it on t on top of using the Loctite. I thought about it at one point and I was like, It's good. Yeah. Come out on the head though. Me neither. Me neither. I don't think it severed like because it w there was no sign of a struggle. Yeah. It's like a murder. Ha ha. Forensic files. Yeah. No sign of a struggle. Yeah. Could you s did like the body of the helicopter hit first and you watch the blades flutter down later?

No, I I didn't realize that the head had ejected. I thought I popped a link until I got Crazy. Well I'm sorry dude. I you know an occasional crash story is entertaining, but when it happens often it's This was like I was like messaging my friends like I quit the hobby, you know, like I'm angry. Um Not that I can't handle a crash, but this is a lot, dude. Like Yeah, it is. You had to start flying an idle one only now, just putting around and being careful.

I would say I'm gonna get a plane, but that'd be terrible. Oh my god. Ha ha ha. Yeah. Foam glue all over his fingers next time. Yeah. Move and get away from the computer, be stuck to the keyboard. All right, that's all I got. I d am tired of telling you about my crashes. Well. Yeah, the airplanes suck'cause if you crash that they just get heavier and heavier until eventually they just don't fly good. And then you just go to the hobby shop and buy another one.

Like your wings end up like with a bunch of weird angles on'em because they're glued together wrong and it weighs like three pounds more. Yeah. popsicle sticks everywhere.

Good stuff. All right, on that note, it's time for a little bit of news. Wait, wait, no news yet. First, a late breaking insert from Mr. Brian Birdsong. Let's check in with him. Hey, what's up, gang? This is Brian. putting in a little uh late insert here. Um thanks to the fellows for holding it down for me. I was

Too sick to record last Tuesday, but um kind of over the the sinus cold now and uh you can probably hear a little drainage in my voice there. But um no, I wanted to uh record a little insert of of kind of my activities. over the last couple of weeks there. Um most of you may have seen me post um that I purchased the uh the Stratus two hundred uh from XL Power and uh was really looking forward to

You know, learning the helicopter the build and and and all of that good stuff. But um was able to put it together and and uh I believe I I downloaded um Kenny Coase Yeah, Kenny Coe's um rotor flight profile for the stratus. And um man, I must say, so here's the deal. So um just from the unboxing, my unboxing experience

to building that thing, to you know, getting it wired up, which is is great. Um and uh programmed and in the air at 45 minutes, tops. Right? I mean it was quick. It was super quick. Couldn't believe it. Um, it was late at night, so I couldn't go outside, so guess what I did? I I test hovered that thing in my little bitty closet. It was scary as hell. I I don't recommend this to anyone, trust me.

Please beginners, do not h try to hover in your closet. I do have some kind of experience you know, pre precisely hovering helicopters, so I was able to go in my my little uh what was but about six by six closet and just pick this guy up in the middle of the floor just to see it hover. And I didn't go up no higher than about a foot. I just wanted to see it get off the ground. But um yeah, that was pretty cool. But um

was able to um you know, oh well here's here's the deal too. So uh, you know, I I fly these big seven fifty size helicopters and I use these twelve, six uh twelve S rather, uh battery sticks, right? Um with uh solderless S seven um battery leads. Um so so those are my my charge leads as well. Um, I didn't know I needed a little XT30 charge lead for these batteries. They're so small, right? I'm not I'm not a small Nice.

small helicopter guy, right? So here I am now I got two, you know, storage charged packs that you when you buy there, you know, they come three point eight. And uh it gave me just, you know, about a minute to just kinda hover from both. So I had like two or three minutes of fun with my stratus for like, you know, I had to wait, um, I guess about what was it, about three days. 'Cause I got it from Amazon. They couldn't deliver it until Monday, so that was Friday, so I got my

the leads Monday, but I couldn't fly over the weekend. I was looking so forward to flying the thing. It was, you know, just hovering in the closet was fun while it lasted, right? But anyway, I got my leads, got my batteries charged and I have been in the front yard now and have put about ten flights on this thing. It is so much fun. Holy cow, who knew who would have thunk that?

Micro helicopters are so fun, man. You know, I had a two thirty back in the day, but I don't remember it being like this fun. Right. Um, I guess the technology really has advanced for microhelicopters and um this thing flies very well. I mean, I had a good time out in the front yard with it.

Um, so much that I was like I gotta like record a little insert and let Nick inst you know, put this as part of the the show. I wasn't there to record live, but I gotta just tell you guys my experience with that thing. So I had a blast. I had a blast with it. Um So so great. But one thing it did because I I grabbed Kenny Co's um uh model was you know he's he's using the four point six you know, R C two version of Rotorfly. That's the soft the firmware update.

And I'm like, man, do I really wanna update this thing? You know, so I got the new configurator that would support it. And of course the interface is different now. They've actually made it A hell of a lot better than than the old uh four point five, right? Which is the version I've been on since uh July of last year. So July twenty twenty five when the official release of four point five came out.

That's what I download and install and I stuck with it, right? All the way up to this point. Almost a full year later, right? I mean, it was just a few months away from July. But um I'm like, man, you know what? I mean, they've made some good strides, some good updates. I think it's time to update my systems now. And I'm like thinking to myself, Am I crazy? I'm only like two, three weeks away from competition. Do I really want to do that now?

And I'm thinking to myself, yes, because the changes aren't gonna be that significant where it, you know completely change or or significantly change the behavior of my helicopter, right? And if so, I mean that You know, I'm I'm I can I'm fairly good at tuning my bird, so I'm not an expert, but I'm kinda intermediate there. I can tune my bird and and and get it flying like I I like to fly it. So

I said, All right, let's do this and I'm like, holy cow, I haven't updated in almost a year. Let me go and figure this crap out. Of course some of the things have changed slightly. So I'm like, of course there's Rotor Flight update, uh there's the Edge T X update, right? Um, which they had an official I guess two point twelve release, which is now point one, they had a minor release on it.

Um And then there's E L R S which Apparently there's four point oh, but everybody said, Oh, stay away from four point oh because there's still some small issues with it, and so let them work the kinks out. Um, you know, if you live on edge and you want to get 4.0, by all means do it. But uh I I'm not edgy, but you know, so I'm gonna uh uh stick with the the the the last three point vers three point x version, I think it was three six. three. I believe that was the latest version. So

All right. So let me sit down and do this. So I uh Rotorflight updated. And this is me doing the Genesis F three C bird, right? Um, Edge T X. I went to do my my I have a T X sixteen Mark two. Um and then um ELRS three six three. All right, wrote a flight update. Uh, you know, made a backup. Of course make a backup of everything before you do your update. So made my backup. um flashed my Nexus. I'm still using old school Nexus in my Genesis.

Um, boom, you know, uh e just very e uh no issues at all, non-eventful update, boom. You got four six RC2 on this guy. Yeah, look at it through the UI. Go and uh of course run uh my C L I of course there's a lot of changes, so some of the updates couldn't go through there and apply. So there's some manual things you have to change within your model. Um

To make it work. But uh you get to keep all your profiles and things like that, but it's just some other little small things that you have to update, especially coming from four or five. Anyway, um so did that. Uh ELRS, no problem to my RP three H receiver, um to the transmitter. Of course.

And then I did HTX last. Well, that's where I had my snag. So I hit my snag with the HTX update and it's my fault. It's user fault. It's not anything to do with the software. I uh I prematurely Thought the update was Well completed and so I stopped it. And holy cow, did I almost jack up my transmitter. Holy cow. Um, w what it wind up doing, it would turn on. But um all of my switches on the top of the radio, every single one of them.

were not responding to anything. So you you didn't hear the cool little lady profile one, profile two, you know, none of that. That was all gone. I couldn't even arm it, disarm it, anything. Hold auto rotation switch, motor off.

None of it worked. And I was like, Holy cow, I'm just I'm stuck. So I tried to figure out what happened. I didn't I didn't know I bricked it at the time, right? So I'm reaching out to my good old buddy Archie, you know, Come on, Archie, where ya where's Archie at? Archie's the man, right? I'm like, Arch. I'm like, I did all these updates, dude, and now none of my switches work at the top. I can't fly. And he's like uh Well, Well, you know, how did you did you did you flash the firmware properly?

I said, I think I did. You know, I just, you know, copy all the the S D card contents over there, get the firmware file, you know, uh boot it up kind of in the in the boot mo bootloader there. And then run it. And so I thought that's what I did. But apparently I didn't do it correctly. So I um went back and started over. I said, let me start this thing from scratch. So I took my backup that I took and I

you know, kind of uh uh uh downgraded this guy back to two point one one. So two point twelve is the new one, so I went back to two point one one. Um, turn it on and still nothing. I'm like, oh my gosh, I didn't broke my transmitter. So, you know what? I say, you know, let me just I'm gonna try the the correct way of doing the two point twelve update. And I did that. So again, copied over the the proper SD card content and then went ahead and did the firmware bootloader update.

And all of a sudden I got profile one. I said, Oh my gosh, finally it worked. Thank God. Come on, man. So I was pretty excited about that. Um, I got my guy working again. Um and uh now just, you know, setting up my birds um to go out this weekend and, you know, test fly and set up again and reconfigure and all that good stuff.

Um, I figure, you know, I give myself three or four flights on each bird to get it back to where I want it to be, you know,'cause it's pretty much there. It's just some of the small changes. And if there are some behavioral changes or characteristics of the flight, then yeah, I'm gonna make some uh adjustments on that as well. So A little risky right before a contest. It really is. Um, I should know better, but you know, just

Honestly, getting the Stratus and updating it to four six and really going out flying it and seeing how well it flies, I just thought I'd take a chance and get the big guys updated too. So, uh pretty excited about that. But um Other than that, um I'm out at the um so so Marshall and I are still preparing for this j uh Georgia Hilly gathering event.

Um, just kind of wrapping up our logistics of things, you know, uh box sizes, three D blah, blah, blah, food, all that stuff. So that's gonna be fun. Um that's that's June fifth through the seventh, a little plug. Uh, but while I'm there, you know, I'm like, let me get a few rounds of practice in. So, um, have my birds out there and I'm and I'm flying. And so, you know, I'm I'm flying FAI F three C class um for the first time in in competition, moving up from the AMA expert class.

Um, which is which is great. Uh the the preliminary rounds of FAI F3C, it's the schedule P. um uh or or expert class from AMA side. So I know that, right? So now I I have to learn this new semifinals class, which is schedule SF, and then I have to learn the new finals class, which is schedule F. And SF, you know, they introduce new maneuvers from a hover routine perspective and aerobatic.

And I was able to um learn S F, but I haven't really touched F yet, the final version or the final um um routine. Finally getting S F down, you know, feeling comfortable, not so scared and nervous of doing it. I mean, it's not perfect. I still need to work on, you know, the precise maneuvers, uh movements of the maneuvers.

But um I really wanna learn F and I gotta learn F because Marshall being the the c contest director here is saying that we're gonna fly F and I'm like, Holy cow, I gotta learn it then So Guys, I took a deep breath. I plugged up my battery and I said, You know what? I'm about to do this F routine right now. I know it on paper. I've done it on the simulator a thousand and one times. It's time to take the the sim to the field and do this thing. So

So I pick this guy up. I do the first hover routine, which is not too bad. Um second hover routine, which is really cool. It's called a three D triangle. So you do some nice little in uh not inverted, but um nose end maneuvers and slow pirouettes and things like that. It's really nice. But the aerobatics is what gets me, right? So it's like you gotta go up and do these aerobatics now and I got these two new um aerobat uh uh maneuvers that I have to do.

And let me just try to describe this one real quick. So you take off, you scream down the field, right? When you come back. you you cross your your this is called this like this double candlestick. I need the name of it in front of me, but it's like a double candlestick with this crazy Upwards flip. You know, with the nose pointed down, when you come to a stop and the bird starts to drop, you do a full Three hundred and sixty degree rounds. Okay. And then you kind of push a U shape inverted.

Climb into the other side. And as you climb, you push that nose forward, doing another frontwards, upward flip. A half flip rather, you know, as you climb and as you get to the top the nose is pointing down again and as you drop you do another full three sixty pirouette and you flow out of it. It is such a cool maneuver, but so scary at the same time. I just did it. I just did it. I tested I said, you know what? Let's just do it. Held my breath for a good minute. Ha ha ha.

And I did it and I was so like proud of myself. I was so crazy, happy, you know. Um, but such a great accomplishment. And then the other one is called a uh I think it's called an M with three sixty Prairie Wets. This is a crazy one too, right? Where you again come screaming now, you pull up into this nice big stall.

stall turn, but when you get to the top and stall, you push the nose forward and you hover up there. So this is call it a good hundred feet up, right? You're sitting there hovering and you have to do a three sixty pirouetting place. and when you come back around, you point the nose down and you continue to fall. You do a half roll

into uh an inverted U shape to the other side. When you get to the other side you pull up and you go inverted hover this time. And you do another three sixty pirouette. You point the nose down, you do a half roll out, and you're done. So another scary routine. For me, I mean it's you know, I'm I'm I'm not used to uh those kind of maneuvers like that, especially flying inverted. It just really freaks me out. But

Um, pretty pretty proud moment for myself to be able to do that. So I'm not scared of schedule F anymore. You know, I'm ready to practice, practice, practice, get ready. I got two and a half weeks to get ready, so I'm trying to you know, s skip some uh morning work, play hooky a little bit and get out to the field and fly and practice, um, to get ready for this thing. But Um long enough message though, and I I just again wanted to come in here.

Um, thanks to the fellas for for holding it down um last Tuesday. Um I I can't wait to hear um Alex's report on the ESC. and um see what kind of results he he had with that. I know the results he had with the the the one hundred seventy Contronic Cosmic I sent him, it it just w really wouldn't compare with any of the the two hundred plus um ESCs that he had there. But

Uh can't wait to learn a little bit more about uh his results. So anyway you guys be good out there, have fun, fly the skies, and I will chat with you on the next episode. Thank you, Nick. Thank you guys. Y'all be good.

Alright, thanks for that, Brian. Glad to have your voice on the show, even if we didn't get to connect together. And uh with that, here's the news. And now, with all the new from inside the RC helicopter hobby, we bring you the ROTA report. Alright, guys, the Mikado micro receivers are in stock and at select dealers. So for those of you who have been waiting a long time for their return, you can pick one up.

So far we've seen them in the Midland helicopters in the UK, but by airtime they should be in stock, hopefully, at Mikado USA and all other Mikado dealers. All right, so on the ELRS there's been a bug alert. If you're running ELRS version 4.0, it's recommended that you update to the most recent. There's 4.0.1 update, which includes an important bug fix. The recent bug has caused random failsafes on the SX twelve eighty transceivers.

that are featured in the OMP OFS3 flybarless units with the onboard receivers, for example, as well as some other ELRS receivers have had this issue too. I was actually reading about this a week or two ago. Somebody mentioned a couple different issues. And it's kind of Spread to some other ones, I think, is just across the board with the LRS stuff there's

an issue with that firmware version. So if you have that, it only affects 4.0, so you're gonna want to downgrade back to 3.6.3 I think it is and then or up to 4.0.1. Just don't use 4.0. Okay, so we have some JR Trinity news. They have an update out, it's version one point two point zero. It's now available for download. And it up the update features. There's a whole list of stuff here. We got improved cyclic response, giving stops a more natural feel and less chance of bubbles.

The cyclist system is now also more tolerant of some slower reacting blades. The tail performance and stops have also been improved. The governor has been updated to hold a better RPM and to do so at a rate that the motor and ESC can achieve. These improvements have also led to a better tail holding performance during big surges in power. Mm-hmm.

The updated governor also improves the nitro uh helicopter point performance, avoiding lean spots basically during moments of high demand. I guess it could lean out and Maybe so uh it's probably over revenging with a Gov. I haven't heard other Govs work on that. That's pretty interesting though. So improved safety features to avoid spool ups when entering and exiting apps that affect the throttle, smoother transitions between banks when the parameters change significantly.

And improved support for ESC RPM sensors from a variety of manufacturers, as well as the external RPM sensors also. There's lots more in the update, which is hard to believe. There's so many updates. But uh more info can be found at nick's micmaxwellproducts.com. Cool. Yeah, I was uh chatting with Nick Maxwell today briefly just to get the

List of updates in one point two and I think he's gonna come on the show in a little while. He's got some more products and things to announce and uh we'll be chatting with him sometime in the next month or two. Uh so look for that soon. That's cool. Yeah, I might get to fly another one of these Trinity units maybe at this our upcoming event in a few weeks and see how that is compared to previous firmware I flew on just to see if it feels any different. That'd be cool.

I wanna fly it too. I still haven't, so we'll look forward to a chance. We have a guy in Atlanta flying it, Steven Sarand, I think is flying it. I need to just bug him and try it sometime, but I haven't seen him in a while.

Uh we've been talking about the refresh Tron Nitron 50 size model for quite some time now. For more details on that model, you can go back to our most recent URCA episode. Uh there's an in-depth walkthrough of the model. But uh for those of you who've been patiently waiting, pre-orders are now open. Press time we still don't have a release price, but BK Hobbies in the US is taking pre orders with a small deposit currently.

Uh other retailers are expected to open pre orders probably before this episode airs, honestly. And Tron expects the model to ship to retailers sometime in June. So the wait is almost over. I've looked at that one and I like the I like that yellow canopy and stuff it has, but I just can't talk myself into the six hundred size like I said earlier. Like I I like'em, but I just don't know that I'd take it out to the field enough. It's a beautiful looking model. The color scheme's great.

I had the original one and it it actually is an awesome like if you like the six hundreds and stuff, that's a great flying model and they're you know, you're more efficient at that size and it does everything. So it's a it's probably gonna be a pretty awesome revision. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of nitrous stuff.

All right. So Absolute C and C has announced that they have sold their rights to produce the popular vortex pipe. It will continue to be available very soon. So don't worry. It's coming back. You're gonna be able to get your hands on one. I would think in the next couple of months, hopefully.

Details details to come. But absolute CNC isn't going anywhere. Gregor and the team will continue to offer great products for modelers in the future. And congratulations to Gregor, dude. He did a great job with the Vortex pipe. And if you haven't tried one again, you gotta get your hands on it. The next version coming out. Hãy subscribe cho kênh La La School Để không bỏ lỡ những video hấp dẫn All right.

It's drinking time. Spirit w will be dropping their own preset tune for the Stratos two hundred helicopter and it should be available for download. By the time you hear this episode, it will likely require an update to your radio as well. You know, microhelicopter is a unique animal, so there's a few new bells and whistles that had to be added to uh the system. Ha ha.

So look for that tune. And speaking of that, Mikado has announced a live stream plan for the fifteenth to discuss more presets available for microhelicopter tunes in their model presets. So if you have uh three hours available on the fifteenth to listen to the live stream to With one little tidbit of information in it.

Sorry. I can't help myself. So clearly these transmitter brands have caught on, uh, like I said about spirit earlier, that if you make the micros easy to set up, it's a great way to draw beginners in and have them adopt your ecosystem later. And as we talked about earlier, Mikado has uh tweaked some stuff in the radio as well to allow folks to get beyond some of the

stumbling blocks to getting the Stratos two hundred to fly correctly. So look for those presets to drop soon. It looks like they might drop some for Gooseky models as well from the pictures in the ad for the live stream. And I look forward to watching R C Helicopter Richard's video or reading his notes about the uh live stream so I don't have to watch it. So thank you, Richard, in advance. Any road of replays? Road of Rage? I mean more Timo like flipping under his table now with the helicopter.

Yeah, I saw that. That was crazy. He's I love it T Mosa. He needs to title those like stupid heli tricks because that they remind me of like stupid pet tricks on the Letterman show, if you're old enough to remember that. It's good fun.

If you haven't seen any of those Timo who's a spirit team pilot by the way, is doing all kinds of crazy stuff, rotating around pipes with the skids touching the pipe the whole time or under tables or rotating the nose of the canopy in a cone while the rotor's spinning. All kinds of crazy stuff. I bet a planker would lose their mind if they saw that bench with the helicopter flying under it. Right. Blade spinning there.

All right. Events. We covered in depth kind of the uh next two months worth of events, but we did have one new one come in recently. Kenny, you want to tell us about this one? So the new event is from Angelo Almaz how do you pronounce his last name? Almastri? Mastery, maybe?

I'm just horrible at it too. So writes in and tells us of the Ocean County Modelers is the fifth annual Helifest event in Jackson, New Jersey. Uh the event will take place June nineteenth and the twentieth. They'll have food on site, night flying.

And a forty-five dollar pilots fee gets you in the door. RVs and tent camping is welcome. But there's no hookups. AC power available is on site for charging, and there will be a pilot's dinner on Friday and Saturday. And sorry for butchering your name in the channel. Do you think there's ever gonna be a CD who's gonna send us something who doesn't have a a last name that's hard to say? Like why don't we ever get anything from a John Smith? That's funny. That's funny. Oh mastery.

I've seen his name but I just I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right. Well, at least we're equal opportunity butcherers of names around here, so you're welcome. We give Brian all the hard ones. I know, but he was he's out this week, so you know, I had to restart it. Just have him come in and just say his name and leave. I don't know his last name'cause he's just Lord Javier. Isn't it Arroyo?

I feel like that's easy to say. Alright, there's one. Alright, we're getting somewhere. Alright. With that, that's all we got from the news this week.

BK Hobbies and you're listening to the Roto Revolution. Alex talking about all of the different ESCs and motors and some just real world practical testing he's been working on. But we thought we would start this conversation with a quick disclaimer. So if you represent a team or brand or a retailer and you object to any of the findings or discussion we're about to have about ESCs and motors and whatnot, uh welcome you I am. Well we welcome your constructive feedback, emphasis on the constructive

And sharing your end user experience, but don't hate, don't be mad. Uh, post on our Facebook page, message us via email or messenger if you want to. Sure, your experience. Just know this is very much a user experience practical test. It's Alex and the rest of us sharing our experiences about various brands of ESCs.

You know, at no point were we in a lab with oscilloscopes and wattmeters and voltmeters with a you know perfectly steady power draw. That's not what this is. So this is just simple, practical, real-world experience flying to the best of our abilities. Where we're just gonna share our impressions and opinions. And that's all this is. So with that, I'm looking forward to hearing this. Alex, you've been like,

Talking about what you've been testing, but not a lot of detail about it. I maybe intentionally, so that we could have a good conversation about it here. So I'm stoked. So Alex, take it away. Yeah, I'm kind of you know, I love your I love your disclaimer'cause I am marginally Is this an hour about Castle one hundred twenties? Ha ha ha. How to start a fire without matches.

If this was ten years ago, or w what not even is it ten years, twelve, thirteen years ago? I'd be like you should just buy a Contronic at that point. At least that's what I'm saying. Fire or no fire. Yeah, I don't know, I'm kind of... Almost like uncomfortable feeling talking about all this because I know how passionate people are about ESCs. in whatever brand they choose to fly. But I became intrigued with the SCs that are in the marketplace, mainly when the secure Sequire Sequire Secure.

Yeah, I don't know. And I decided to try. Mainly I was like interested if this hundred and fifty dollar ESC can keep up with some of the other manufacturers that we've come to know and trust over the years. And so I'm If you know me personally, you know I'm not a drama lover. I don't like drama in the hobby. I And so what I'm sharing with you guys

Is my opinion. And Kenny, I know you've had experience with some of these also. So little That just means we might hear some different opinions from you guys, which is Maybe so. Maybe so. Here's some background on why I started looking at it. After flying Contronic for a long time and taking a break in the hobby, I came back around twenty nineteen, twenty twenty and bought Hobby Wing. And I bought Hobby Wing because friends were flying Hobby Wing.

And then Theta Servos came out and I wanted to play with the amp draw that Theta can can do. And I started worrying about the BEC. Not that Hobby Wing has a bad BEC, but I just started researching BECs. And at the time, YGE had the strongest claim to B E C out there. And so I have never had a B E C go bad on me of any brand, personally, which is why I still don't fly with a battery backup guard. And then twelve bolt servos came out.

And so that became a thing. YGE at the time didn't have a twelve volt BEC. And now I went back to Hobby Wing. Man, I just told you a long story about the different ESCs that I've tried. So I'm gonna c kinda talk about these things in that order of my journey. Valuable that you've tried all of these brands. It's not like you're flown one of these things once and You know?

Yeah, I kinda went from I did have castles back in the day and then switch to stuff like YGE and then Hobby Wing and then Tribunus Scorpions and then now I'm running X D flies and a few of the secure Few different models now. I have never owned a z X D fly. I think that's the only one. So Yeah, I've tried just about all of'em except for Secur. I've not done the open source thing, but Scorpions, Hobby Wings, haven't tried Contronic, YGE, XD Fly, so a wide variety. And now

back in the day and those were released the the governor is super smooth on them. It's very different and unique. Which one did you say? The Contronic Jive one twenties, the Pro Jives that were pretty good. Yeah. I'll talk a little bit about that. I have limited experience with Contronic again'cause Brian sent me one to try. But Yeah. So more disclaimer, all of my tests here are done using the rotor flight governor, and I did tune the governor.

And what I mean by that is that with the ha help of Herman or Hack and Archie, kinda learning about tuning the governor and looking at P gains, meaning I'm paying attention to the the P game line and I'm looking for it not to be pulsing or waving or anything when the machine is unloading. So I did spend time tuning the governor, not just using the basic settings of rotor flight. So that's digging in the black box.

I know that we I guess we haven't really been just talking about how great Rotoflight is for a long time. Dude, the black box is amazing and being able to tune the governor and actually see what's going on, it's really cool if you all you have to do is set debug and then go in there and Okay, there's my rotor fly sales pitch for you.

In my tests, I'm looking at things, really three primary primary things: max amp draw, the peaks that we're seeing, the temperature of the ESC during my flights, and what flight time am I getting? And I'm not mentioning heads po head speed holding power in this, primarily because I felt like each ESC performed fantastic with a properly tuned governor. Holding head speed, doing what you needed for a

Pretty much anything. So I did not go back and try the internal governor of any of them. I was super happy with the external governor. So all of my test is done using that. So what was the test motor you used? Okay. That is another thing. My test motors changed throughout the the the process. I'm sorry I didn't make this just science for you guys and trying like Multiple ESCs on the same motor or anything like that. So everything from a Scorpion 5024, I've had Egodrift 4726s, 4730, and XNOVA 47.

4530 and the combo mess up whatever motor that is, too. Do you know what I'm talking about? What is it? Yeah, the Mensa. Roughly like how many fights were you putting on each ESC? Yeah. Wow. A lot. Yeah, I mean this wasn't done in a week. I've been doing this for a while. No, I know you've been at it a long time. We've been talking about it for a while. What about RPM? Like mostly high RPM stuff? Do you do any low RPM?

Uh no, I really didn't do any of low RPM testing. It's all between my bank two in my helicopter is twenty fifty and bank three on everything is at twenty two hundred. Whether that be with seven hundred or seven fifty.

Do you want to talk a little bit about like what your typical flight was? Did you just sort of work on what you always work on and then just, you know, start keeping an eye on flight time and whatnot, or did you have a set routine? I had a set routine that I was doing, not just a set routine where it was like these are the things I did. I had flights that I was doing with only nose down TikToks. Oh, I guess I can talk about that.

I'm gonna go ahead and get this out of the way. If you're only doing nose down TikToks the whole time, almost every ESC got the same flight time because you're just that is a hard maneuver on on a machine. Just constant TikToks or Piro TikToks or anything like that. So It's interesting that that's the equalizer. Yeah. I guess all those me even trying to do like as nice of a collective input as possible just kind of wore him out.

All pretty similar though. There's there's one out. Yeah. There's one ESC out there that was more and I'll I'll go through my order here. But yeah, and Nick to answer your question. Most of it was done at twenty two hundred. Or twenty fifty. Twenty fifty I was doing the nose down TikTok thing and then at my twenty two hundred head speed it was kind of a snack flight with so a lot of rolling maneuvers and flipping maneuvers in there.

So I'm gonna go about this in the order that I started with them, which was Y G E was my first like thing that I kind of started tracking. Mad props to the YGE internal governor by the way. I was flying it before I switched to rotor flight and it was very, very good. Some young generation electronics.

Yeah. At one point I had my spool up time using the YGE internal governor at four seconds, which I had done because I was practicing autos and stuff and I wanted to be able to bail out even when I messed up, which I did recently. Dude, even with a four second spool up it was kind of like palatable like sitting in front of you spooling up quickly, you know? It wasn't like jerking the blades. Yeah. Is this the two oh five from YGE?

205, yeah. Two oh five is the only YGE ESC I've had. And I did I think I mentioned in if you're following my story and you missed this, I was having problems getting the rotor flight governor to work with YGE, but once I updated the software, everything was working good. Yeah, I remember you mentioned that.

So at this point do you guys just want me to get into my max amps and temps and flight times on Yeah, I wanna hear how the actual testing went now that we've kinda covered methodology and whatnot. All right, this is a great ESC. Still I would see sp spikes on this ESC. So up up to around two hundred and fifty amps in a flight was pretty normal.

But the temps stayed pretty consistent around fifty to sixty degrees Celsius. Sorry, I've recorded them all in Celsius. Fifty C to Fahrenheit is about a hundred and twenty two degrees for you guys in the state size. And flight times were pretty good. I mean, if I was doing my hard flight at twenty two hundred, I could get three minutes out of it and you could get longer flight times too if you weren't pushing it too hard. But That was a good ESC. I liked it. What?

Wow. Like No, they were all with the same battery, which I have been flying maniac. eighty C fifty two hundred package. So fifty two hundred's okay. And actually the reason I started searching ESCs like I went to Hobby Wing after this was simply because I wanted a twelve volt BEC because I wanted to try the twelve volt service. Remember when this podcast started and those were coming out and we were like, Why would you freaking bother buying Yeah, I did that. The BC preceded the servos. Mm-hmm.

Kennedy, do you have a do you have any experience or anything to add on the Y G E thing? Not really. I mean, I only had it a long time ago and I never had any issues. Split was smooth and they worked good, but it's been years. I have not tried most ones. I've had some YGEs, they all perform fantastic. Price wise, they're not great. They're very expensive. You pay for all that engineering. Uh they do have anti spark also. Let's just include that in this two. They have anti spark. Great.

Which is nice. And their tanks. They are tanks, dude. Uh my my oldest I mean, this is probably I bought this ESC probably around 2020, so. I mean by GE the only thing I've heard negative is just like getting the updates. You know, they don't just hand'em out. You gotta email'em and wait, basically. But otherwise Yeah, that's weird. I was able to That's nice. Yeah. Oh, that's okay.

For those of you who are not aware what Kenny's talking about, you would plug it in and it would say there's an update available and you'd go, cool. And then you'd push the button and have to request an update. And they had to give you permission to download it for a while. have to type in your email and wait for a response to come back twenty four to forty eight hours later. Which wouldn't be that frustrating, but It is.

All right, so Hobby Wing, I'll say that was a also a nice reliable ESC, but if I was flying the same flight hard, my flight times got down to around two minutes and thirty. High amp draws, two hundred and sixty or more amps.

But again I'd run these f you know, for years with tons of flights. Temp stayed pretty reasonable also, around sixty degrees, fifty, sixty degrees Celsius. Uh all these flights were recorded kind of in the spring, so not on the same day, but all around the same weather, you know, fifty, sixty, seventy, seventy degrees, probably around here. Bye. I was surprised to see that my flight time with that one was not

Quite as good as the YGE one. Again, that's being stupid on the collective at 2200 doing a lot of flipping and rolling maneuvers. That's interesting to me that it it's a whole thirty seconds less than another ESC with all everything else being. Right. That's significant, especially when you're only talking about of three minutes. Like that's a big percentage difference. Yeah. I wonder why that is. It's

I don't know. And when we get to the secure sequire or whatever that thing is, I'm gonna talk a little bit about auto timing because Hobby Wing doesn't have auto timing. I don't know if auto timing makes that big of a difference. And I will say this, I did not really get into timing things and trying different timings with different motors to see if I would get a longer flash. That's certainly going to affect it to an extent. Probably so. Were you running consistent timings between the ESCs?

Yeah, it was all around fifteen. I mean on the Hobby Wing it was all around fifteen. But all the other ESCs except for secure well, I'll talk about that next. Yeah. YGE does auto timing also, so you didn't have to set it with the YGE. Yeah. I've heard their auto timing is actually quite good. It's very good. In my experience. first two hundreds and stuff that had like the big, you know, block shape to'em. The newest ones are a little bit smaller, it looks like, you know.

All mine are two sixties. They're pretty big. Yeah, they're they're large and heavy and the I had the issues with the firmware. Like I had to crash on my first flight with one of those because I Really tried I was trying to use the bailout stuff and and they tell you in the instructions back then, you know

Four or five years ago, that you could use the bailout thing, it would work and it would never function right. And uh didn't spool back up for me, you know. So they I think they've eventually fixed that in the firmwares, but I was trying to use it for doing Yeah, I'll say that, Kenny. I've I've used bailout on every one of them and it worked really well.

It used to not, so I had issues with that and between that and when I saw how heavy it was versus like the tribunus and then back then I just got rid of it and went back to the tribunus'cause it was half the weight. I did not record weights on all these, but I will say this, the posted weights of them have been pretty reliable. Like when I went back and I was at one point I was weighing them and I didn't write this down for this.

But using my gram scale, whatever they posted is pretty accurate. So to my scale. All right, so I I became interested. Jowan had come down to a fun fly and had one of these security SCs and Archie and Herman had been talking about how the governor is on them and how it does with rotor flight and all that kind of stuff, and I was intrigued. So I got one, put it on my machine, started flying it and I was like, wow, this is impressive.

Governor's like amazing, dude. Like probably the most amazing governor I've ever used with with rotorfall. It's direct rotor flight. There yeah, there's no interference with that. No. What would you Amazing like in the black box, was it like just dead on or was it just didn't feel Just didn't feel like you couldn't bog it. Like totally ridiculous how fast it responded. Like the e the the head speed just sounded constant the whole time like you were hovering. Wow.

ESC felt cool to the touch coming down, and I was getting about three minute flights at twenty fifty head speed. And then my buddies were out flying with me and this is when I kind of came to the Scorpion thing and they were like, Hey, try this. I I just did this flight at like eighteen hundred and I got like four and a half minutes and I was going, Cool, I wanna fly four and a half minutes with you guys.

But no matter what I did, I still got like a three-minute flight with that thing. Ha. Um and then I started kind of looking at the numbers. I'm and I'm getting max amps of higher than Hobby Wing. Uh I was pulling around 280 amps. And

I also learned recently that the max amps it will report is two hundred and ninety-nine. So if you see that number, that means that you might have pulled more than that with the thing. I also was looking at my temps on my radio, and while it was cool to the touch, The radio was telling me it was 96 Celsius. Whereas I just told you the others were around fifty or sixty. Well, ninety six is two hundred and four degrees. Yeah. But the E S C doesn't feel hot. You touch it and it feels cool.

Yeah, I kinda wonder'cause on my two helicopters with that secure I was getting around sixty or seventy, it wasn't really going quite as high. I wasn't running twenty two hundred, did I run around twenty thirty RPM, but Yeah. Didn't have that kind of same result on that one. I mean I'm just doing rolling loops and stuff with it, you know, during the the manure and those are hard on it, you know, just like doing a TikToking thing.

Yeah. Are you able to get more than three minute of flight out of it? I mean, I don't know if it's I can't really tell if it's much shorter than my other flights. I know it's I'm only getting about three and a half to four on everything I fly, so it's hard to tell. Honestly the high temps is what really bothered me. I was like, this is not good. If it's ninety six degrees, that means

that the and it feels cool to touch that the heatsink's not really doing anything. And I haven't taken it apart to see how it's attached to it. But I did. I I did try lowering the timing. There's an auto timing feature on there. I've tried. I turned the ramp up speed down. If you get it from Heli Direct, it comes at a five, and I turned it down to one, and I've kind of gotten the same results no matter what I've done.

So what about uh I know you were talking to some other pilots who fly the CSC. S they have similar results? Y y Hack was having the same thing where he was getting around the same temperature that I was. Yeah. Hm. Yeah. He was. Interesting, so great governor performance, but not a lot of flight time. Yeah. Still dependable though, dude. The BEC seem super solid. So I don't know Was getting less, you're saying it was a little less efficient?

No, no, no, no. With the secure I could also wear it out around three and a half two and a half minutes if I wanted to. Okay. I could just never get it to get over three minutes. Pretty much. And again, I'm not really putting around with it. Like I'm fine. Yeah, I think the twenty two hundred's hard to get over three and a half anyway,'cause if you're playing like two thousand you could get almost four, I bet. Higher PM.

No, because even with that one when I was testing at twenty fifty I couldn't get it was like three minutes. But maybe maybe with the governor being so good, I'm hitting the sticks harder. I don't know. And again, this isn't done under a controlled scen scenario. Yeah. Yeah, just hard flying. And then I got a Scorpion ESC. And I got a Scorpion ESC primarily because I was like, these guys talk about I feel like Scorpions' biggest thing that they try to sell is Efficiency.

Yeah, they all try to sell efficiency and Scorpion was constantly saying there's guys like posting pictures saying there's they're pulling low max amps, you know. And I was like, I've said this before. I was thinking, okay, well, you're just underreporting what's really happening there. But I I got that thing in there and dude, at 2050, I easily got a four minute flight out of it. Lower temperatures around fifty degrees. Three minutes and forty seconds to four minutes. I was very impressed.

What were you getting at like twenty two hundred RPM for flight time? I mean still close to three if I'm pushing it hard. I can get more though. I've gotten three twenty out of twenty two hundred before with that thing. Okay. And my pack. I'm not I mean, yeah, I'm depending on what it's reporting to my flybar list, you know, that I'm reading telemetry. But pretty much every time I plug my f my packs in I go from, you know, charge voltage around four point one eight.

And coming down and I plug'em in and they're all around three point seven five, like with every ESC. So Yeah. I'm getting pretty real numbers there. It's interesting when you start to see this many. Numbers across this many brands of ESCs do you realize how significant the temperature is on the secure Right. 'Cause if the others are all in that sort of fifty to sixty range and then there's one up at, you know, almost a hundred, that's significant. It's a lot, dude. Yeah.

Well that would have me worried. I mean heat, even if it's not in one instance damaging to electronics over time. Do more damage to electronics than anything else. And that was my fear too with the secure is that I have never flown in when it's a hundred degrees here. I don't know man. Yeah. If that's at seventy degrees, what is it at when it's a hundred degrees out? That's one of the things I've always been doing with speed controllers when I've switched brands and stuff is I'm constantly

You know, as soon as I land, I'll go over and feel the motor and feel the ESC. And so far, I mean, the Tribunus was pretty good, but the X D flies that I've been flying now, those X D fly three hundreds, like they're cold to the touch when you land, like even after flying really hard, which is very impressive. What is it reporting temperature wise on your Yeah. Sure. I'd have to look but it's crazy I've never

Because the secure was the same way. It felt cold, but it was never it was the one that was reporting super high temperature. Yeah, I'll try to get some numbers on that. I'd be curious. I should pay closer attention to temperatures. on me too. Never paid a temperature. I didn't start recording these temperatures until after I saw the secure was 96. I was like, holy crap. And I had to go back and fly them all again just to record temperature. I wasn't recording that.

As an aside, or at least inconsequential, he must have spent a lot of time wrenching, just putting on on on setting up all of these ESCs in the U.S. I spent a stupid amount of money renting and buying Yeah. Not even money just sponsored by these things either. Like I'm just telling you what my experience is. Yeah. No, lots of time. This was time consuming. I didn't do it over a two week period, you know. This has been over a long time. So at least that

Uh cool. And then some people out there are gonna be interested in my chontronic experience. Uh Brian sent me a 170. I flew it one time. using the external governor. Governor performance was fantastic. But I was landing and making adjustments and flying. And within like two minutes, and it was pretty cool out. That ESC was at 60 degrees and it felt super hot to touch. And I was like, I'm not, I'm not messing with this anymore. It's not it's a 170. I was easily pulling over 200 amps.

Just in my test flying around twenty fifty and I was like, No, not worth it. So I didn't get a whole lot of chronic testing. Yeah, plus it it's not your ESC, so you want to be kind to it and not risk it. have enough crashes that I was like, I don't wanna I don't wanna shut this thing down. I wasn't willing.

And for the record, since Brian's not here, it's not to say that Contronic does not have an ESC that's suited for it for hard 3D. It's more that that wasn't necessarily the right model for that application. No, the one I don't think the one seventy was designed for hard three D Twelve S. Uh yeah, at twenty three hundred RPM or twenty two hundred, et cetera. You'd go with the larger model, the three hundred or whatever it is.

Or whatever they're two hundred. Because I ran a two hundred for a long time. Now I'm looking'em up. Is it a two hundred? And a two hundred fifty. Okay. But I don't know enough about like what is the H V I and plus I don't know what all that stuff means. And none of these tests were recorded with a fan, everything was recorded with no fan. Do you ever run a fan living in Texas? No. I'm a fan.

I I don't either and living in Georgia that gets just as hot, so I don't fly as hard but It's summer and I'm flying back to back I bring two models and I go back every Yeah. I do do that too. I give models way bigger breaks in the summer. I won't go back to back on them. Well, interesting. So all these different ESCs Which of them, if you had to pick one just based on one variable, was the easiest to set up and use?

Probably the Hobby Wing or the Scorpion. What's nice about Scorpion? Oh let me uh let me talk about Scorpion. Uh lots of people have said but it doesn't have anti-spark. I feel like that is the reason people choose to buy something else. And I've been using the anti spark connectors and I'm not having any problems.

But I know that's a frustration for people. The anti spark connectors do work. I get no popping or anything like that. What's nice about the Scorpion is that you can program it with a USB C cable. using their software and you don't have to power the ESC from the battery.

Everything it powers itself from that USB C cable. That's it. So you're not messing with them some stupid dongle trying to make it work. You don't have to plug it in in some silly order to get the software to recognize Unplug the throttle cable signal cable from the FBL to get it to let you connect to it. Yeah, the scorpions now just need a standard USB C, right?

Correct. Yeah. Yeah, see most the other ones like the X D fly has its own Bluetooth adapter and like Hobby Wing you've got to have their adapters and most of'em have some kind of specific cable or connector. I feel like the h the man, I'm so sold on Scorpion. Right now. Yeah, I really like that m I like that one a lot. And not having to have, like you said, an adapter or by the programming card or whatever to make it work is super nice.

Which was from an ease of view standpoint, which was the hardest, most annoying? Uh YGT is definitely the most annoying and time consuming. It's crazy because you would think it would be the open source secure thing. Yeah, that's what would have been my guess. Yeah, y you just plug you plug your USB C cable into Rotor Flight and then you open the web page and it just works. The secure thing's amazing.

Yeah, there's really nothing to do on that one. Other than turn the governor on rotor flight and check a few settings. With YGE, you have to unplug the telemetry cable, which is covered by the other cables. It's like in the middle of the ESC and you already have your motor wires running around it. So you're like trying to finagle that thing in there.

And then you have this USB C card USB card. So the USB cable plugs into the card, the card plugs into that ESC, and then you have to plug the battery into the ESC and y then you have to have the software open. But if you don't do them in whatever the correct order is, it won't recognize. So I every time I do it I have to open a video and go what Nice. And then like you said, uh having to like if you have to email the I don't know. That I'm grabbing.

And you also it's have to very specifically go into the ESC settings to assign telemetry to the right brand or it doesn't work. Well, they're all they all do that anyway, except for Hobby Wing. Actually, Hobby Wing just works. Yeah, Hobby Wing just the V fives just work. YGE, Sequire, Secure, Scorpion, you had to tell it that you're running unsolicited or YGE open or whatever to get the telemetry.

So other than the USB C connectivity, which is big, was there any other cool convenience feature one of the ESCs had that you really liked? With Scorpion you can go in and tell it what your P W M M points are in the software also if you don't want to do the stick programming. That's nice. One less thing to do. If you happen to know. No, I think that's that's really all I can think of. Obviously I'm I'm not like trying to push Scorpion. I'm not sponsored by them or anything.

Uh no, but I think I'd love to hear a little bit more about why they were this kind of the winner out of this shootout for you. For me it came down to flight time. Hundred percent I was just looking for. war flight time through this process. And I got the longest flat time with them, while still having a twelve volt BEC. Uh if if if YGE had a twelve volt BEC built in, I'd probably have not gotten this far. 嗯哈 So switching your whole fleet out to Scorpion ESEs now then?

I pretty much have already done that. Yeah, I bought three Scorpini. Yes. This started. So if you're looking to buy a YGE Hobby Wing Secure Uh I'm gonna try to put those up for sale before this episode airs. I think that's great, man. I mean, kudos to you for having the desire to to work on this for so long and and giving I mean, I feel like a lot of it's interesting, you know, we had this conversation a while ago about that. Thread.

About what's your favorite ESC and why, and how there's a lot of brand loyalty there. But how many of those people have tried all of the major brands of ESCs? I'm guessing not many. Five percent maybe at best? What I am happy to say is that through all of this. I never had anything go bad, so they've all been very reliable. I was gonna say it doesn't feel like there's any brand you would recommend again. No, not really.

But if your buddy came up to you and said, Hey man, off the record, what should I buy? you'd say, Scorpion, sounds like Probably. Yeah. What do you think, Kenny? What's your been your For me, um, I don't know. Scorpion is probably my second choice. Maybe X D fly would be my first as a mania C because the governor works pretty good on it and the temperatures. I'm actually trying to look at some of those right now. Kinda checking'cause I have a log here.

I think for me I'd have to switch to Scorpion Motors to fly Scorpion ESCs. It has to be all matching in color. Which is terribly. Sad. Uh I don't know why. No, the cause the ESC's gold and black. It actually looks really nice with EgoDrift stuff too. What does it use for a telemetry cable? Just a I'm just it just I'm just running a servo connector from just like I would with ev every no, not every one of them. 'Cause with Y G E I had to have an adapter. But yeah, just servo mail to mail.

Any difference in forward programming from the radio you found across brands? No, I had success with all of them. The secure thing didn't have forward programming yet when I was messing with it. I think they have it now, but They all worked, you know, I could reverse the s the motor direction, all that kind of stuff. Can you change timing with forward programming with the uh Scorpion ESCs? Scorpion does auto time. Also. So I won't mess with it.

Okay. Yeah, I feel like auto timing was frowned upon for a while, but it feels like it's come around and folks are more encouraging towards it these days. Yeah, I feel like at least in the Ego Drift team chat, you know, we were sort of recommending specific timings. on a lot of brands of ESCs, but I think the performance of auto timing has gotten better and we're more open to that these days.

I just looked at four or five of my like four and a half minute and five minute flights on the Tron Elite with the X D flight three hundred and the highest I'm seeing is forty five C. Most of the time it's thirty seven or thirty eight the whole flight. Okay, so it's staying good. That's cool. Yeah, picking the peaks and that was as high as it got. That's great. That's the most impressive thing. Certainly a great option.

I don't have the lower like the two oh what is it, two oh five, the smaller one they sell, the one ninety five. But people are saying good things about that also. So I'm assuming it might get a little warmer because it's slightly smaller, but I mean both of them I think handle whatever you throw at it. Mm-mm. Scorpions I'm sure do too. I mean, all these ESCs now, the bigger ones are overbuilt, but this each one's gonna handle each motor a little differently too, you know? Like

Back in the day, like some of the Tribunus ones or you know, some Scorpions didn't like like Snova motors and this and that. You used to hear different things just'cause of timing. But a lot of the newer stuff seems to handle anything, it seems like a lot better. I wonder if the the heat difference with the secure I mean, it's gotta come down to price and component selection. I mean the secure ECA is less than half the price of most of these.

Yeah, I will say the Y G E, the Hobby Wing. The X D fly one's cheaper. It's like half the price of the Scorpion, isn't it? I think the scorpion's around five hundred and fifty dollars. believe it's four something for the three hundred and I think it's like three hundred dollars. I should know'cause I paid full price for all of them. What the fuck? The two twenty is so the scorpions, yeah, five twenty five. Hobby Wing two sixty is five twenty.

The Cosmics a thousand YGE. The two oh five is still expensive, isn't it? I can look at it right now. I'm just looking at price. I'm always shocked. I I've been bought ESCs in a while. You're like, wow, the big ones are expensive.

You know, if you look at it in a in a bad way, like I mean, like people are gonna do what they can afford budget wise, and if you can afford the better performance out of like a Scorpion or an X D fly or or YG, whatever, but if you can't and you're using that lower end ESC that may not, you know, handle the heat as much or be as efficient, like the secure or something like that, that just happens to be not quite as on the same Put a fan on it if you're worried about it, you know.

Yeah, and I have a fan on my the secures I'm running now. I wasn't originally and I didn't really notice a huge temperature difference, but it doesn't hurt to have it on there. And it's actually a quiet fan, which I was surprised.

What I was getting at is like if you can't afford the expensive one though and you're running that cheaper ESC, you know what else they're probably running that's cheaper is their batteries too. So you almost have like a double whammy, you know, like it's you're gonna lose even more tough flight time. To the ESC due to probably skimping on your batteries and stuff too. So you have to kind of pick your poison there, what you want to fix the performance there, you know, if you're looking for more.

Did you make any observations between motors while you were doing all this testing? Out of curiosity? Mm-hmm. Mm. Not really. No. All the motors seem pretty good and I don't have a problem with anything. I'm n No, I don't want to get into that yet. Okay. Maybe I'll do that later. Maybe. I know. The the difference in performance at you know a certain quality level is is hard to distinguish. Yeah. They all f they all perform really well, honestly.

Yep. Um at least. I don't know how much that minza motor is. How much is that thing? The For the money, that's pretty hard to beat Yeah, I thought it was under three hundred or under three twenty maybe. Is it 200? Might be two hundred seventy or d it's somewhere in I thought it was somewhere in that range, like under three hundred. I think I'm spelling it wrong.

It's the fifty twenty five. It's two hundred and eighty, two hundred and ninety dollars, somewhere around there. Yeah, it's under three hundred bucks. It's it's a good motor. Yeah. At least I haven't had any problems with it. There's different models that's a good thing. Or is that forty seven? Okay, so it's a lot bigger. A big one. Yeah.

Yeah, there's quite a lot of sizes. They they do forty seven thirty as well, that's only two sixty. Uh fifty twenties, all kinds of sizes of the combo. But yeah, combo. Maybe it just maybe this doesn't like maybe Contronic doesn't. I don't know. I mean there's a lot of guys on the Heli Direct team trying these combo of motors. Everybody reports like for the price it's unbeatable. Yeah. Superstyle.

That it's just a really great value motor that for most people, for average pilots, will do and even high end pilots, honestly, will do everything you want it to.

You know, when I had that Blade seven hundred, I mean, nobody pays attention to those, but that Blade Seven hundred forty seven thirty motor that they have is like dirt cheap. And it's actually pretty good. I would say it's probably less efficient than some of the other ones, maybe twenty percent or something, but Just by flight times you might get a little bit less time, but it's like not even in the same price range, but it has a ton of power, just from what I flew.

I think all the hours these days have been good. Are you happy all this testing's over and you've picked one and you can just like fly that and not think about it? Heck yeah, I am. Ha ha ha. When's he gonna send the scorpions for us to test out too? I'm not. I'm done. I'm done. I'm not doing anything out. I mean, good for you for putting in the due diligence to trial at least. That's great. Yeah. Awesome. Well, cool. Thanks, dude. Thanks for putting that together.

Yeah. I am not recording things anymore. That's good. Well, that's awesome, man. I'm gonna try not to listen anymore so I don't buy anything new. Um But I'm but now I'm curious. You've got me curious on this flight time thing. I think I feel like I already get enough flight time on my hobby wings at the head speeds I fly at that I'm out of ideas well before I'm out of battery. So uh

I don't know that I need more flight time, but it's still you're like, well what maybe I want it anyway. I don't know. I'm I'm curious to try one of these. I might have to give it a go. I don't know. Have no idea if you I feel like the thing I notice most at low head speed is governor performance. Like there's you can get a lot of surging if you're not if things aren't great. Yeah. Um you're not geared appropriately and stuff like that. I could see that.

You gotta get a lot of things right. But even between other variables I've noticed, you know, between governors, whether it's an onboard FBL governor or an ESC governor, you will notice big differences. Are you mostly using the onboard ESC the onboard f spirit governor or are you mostly using the Hobby Wing governor?

I'm mostly using the Hobby Wing Governor, but that's not really a reflection on Spirits Governor. It's just I it's part of my simplification. I've run it for years. I know how to set it up. I know how to get it dialed, and I just kind of rely on it because it's I mean I can tell you that a lot of the pro pilots just used the E S C governor and didn't worry about it'cause they're more concerned about flying than tuning something else. So

Yeah. And the Hobby Wing Governor, on board governor at low head speed, performs great. It doesn't surge, it's very even with its power application. Yeah. Um And it it lets me dig myself out of trouble when I've poorly managed my collective. Yep. Uh so it does great. I'm curious how the new Scorpion external gov works too compared to the old. Like on the older ones I had

It would be a little too high. It'd always be kind of chattering like the tail. It sounds like the tail chattering, but it seems the gain was bouncing too high and I had to turn them all down.'Cause I had four different Tribunus three hundreds mailed it Never tried it. But I'm curious the newer one might be set up much better, you know. I would have th I would assume. Imagine it is. Their new stuff seems to be pretty I'm super impressed.

Yeah, everything I hear, whether it's the new motors, new ESCs, sounds like Kyle's really put in the work to develop a great product. Well, right on. I think that wraps us up for this week, unless you have any other thoughts you want to share, Alex. Mm. No, I just I'm afraid that I'm gonna get people that are pissed off now. That's such amazing. Their own experience.

Well, I mean, you know, there's a lot of variables here, so you know, you may have a very different experience and that's great. Even better if you also tried five brands of ESCs and yeah, decided what's right for you. In fact, if you did, let us know how it went and what you found to do. Yeah. We certainly love to hear about you. Yeah. About your experience.

I gotta remember if you want to compare to Alex's test though that you can't use center stick, it's just up or down, you know, all over the place. Just no center stick. Can't fourteen degrees all the time. Sticks in the corners, always.

All right, it's time for us to get on out of here. You know the drill. Websites rotorrevolution dot live. All our things are there, the Facebook, the emails, the messenger, all the things, swag store, all that good stuff.

Which again, thanks to any of you who've uh bought swag from us. We certainly appreciate you flying the flag for us. And with that, that's gonna wrap it up for this episode. Brian, you're definitely missed. I think, you know, we would have loved to have your perspective on Contronic a little bit there as well. So looking forward to having you back next episode and go out and get some flyin' in. Do it. It's summer. And don't crash. No more crashes for you, Alex. You're done. Yeah, no more.

Don't forget to tighten your Jesus pull. Check your nuts before you fly. Check your motor bolts. God, what movie was it where he was like, ask me about my bowl? Is that What is that? What am I thinking? I don't have no idea. Come on. Monty Python on the Holy Grail. Oh. When he's there's that guy walking around asking me about my wiener. Well can I ask a real quick question to you both?'Cause I'm curious. Do you guys do pre-flight checks? What is it?

Always look at the links and stuff like that before I fly, like almost all every time. Every flight or just when you get to the No, just usually well, if I'm just standing around there like at the table talking and stuff, usually I'll be look like I'm listening, but I'm actually staring at my links. That's I do that stuff a lot. I do it when I get to the field, I check it, and then I just fly back to back to back to back.

I'm sure I'll miss stuff, but I do find stuff a lot on mine and other people's helicopters too, just by randomly looking like that. Well maybe you would have caught my Jesus bull. Probably missing a nut before I even went up. Yeah, a few years ago I had that Protost Nitro and I looked at the swash and the ball was out like three turns and I saved it. I was like, whoa caught it by looking at it.

That's great. I'm I'm like you, Alex. That counts as a pre flight check, by the way. I only do one when I first get to the field. As I unpack each model and unfold the blades, I will do a check of all the links and the servo screws and, you know, I'll look at the tail and feel for play and things.

Kinda just have a quick routine I go through. But I don't do it after every flight by any means. I always check collective, you know, stir the cyclic stick and make the tail move before I fly, but That too. Every flight. All right. Anyway, I should press stop now. What do you got more, Kenny? Not really, no. I was just saying my Aeon servos when I updated'em earlier and did the same thing, I put the settings back the same, but then I also confirmed. You know, tilted the swash and all that.

I do that. Just in case something you know it glitched off center or something weird. Yeah, I do the same thing. Alright, that's enough out of us. 拜拜 This concludes this episode of the Rotor Revolution RC podcast. To learn more Stay in touch with the team and to join the revolution, check out our Facebook page at facebook.com. Slash. Rotor Revolution RC Podcast or find us on the web at Rotor. Revolution.

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