EP.40 Servo Myths and Truths hosted by Bert Kammerer

Welcome to the Rotor Revolution RC Podcast. With Brian Birdsong, Alex Dean, Kenny Hutton, and Nick Wisdom. I don't have anybody No, I'm just I'm just kidding. Alright, let's do this the right way. Hey guys, this is Bert Cammer. I'm looking forward to acting as your guest host on this to be amazing. 40th episode of the Rotor Revolution RC pop. Woohoo. Woohoo. What's going on, Bert? Welcome Bert. Yeah, man. What's happening? Wait, who's here? Yeah. Who said that?

Hey, in all seriousness, I want to thank you guys for all welcoming me to the show again. This is what, my second time, third time? I don't know, in in in a year and a half. How long have you been doing the show? A couple of years? Uh a year and a half now. Yeah, it's been a while. And uh I I know I'll get in trouble with other hosts from other shows, but your show is the only one that I really literally and I'm not kidding. I listened to and I really almost ever, never skip forward.

Uh at least not very often. So um you guys you guys do a great job. You really do. I I I look forward to to listening to you guys every time you release an episode. So thanks for having. It's uh it's gonna be great. Thanks, man. We appreciate that. And also for the record, I like to imitate Tarek. I I mean I've known this guy for like

I don't know, t literally almost twenty years and I do it in good fun. I mean, I I've known him personally forever and uh he's one of the nicest guys you're ever ever meet. But I just love He wants you to have a good day every day. Yeah. I hope everything is very good in your life. Uh or whatever he says is awesome. I love it. Yeah.

I wish I could fly as good at Sam, is all I have to say. No, whatever, dude. Yeah. Yeah. It's all right. Next episode we're gonna get Turek on the show and have him do his bird impression, so it's all good. So who's gonna start? Who's gonna start? I guess I'm the guest host, so I'm gonna guide the episode until Nick yells at me or Or I don't know, Brian or Kenny or somebody. Uh Alex probably would be the most late like Who's gonna start? Who's gonna start? What you guys been up to?

I don't know. You're the boss. Yeah. I don't know. Brian, what do you got, Brian? All right. Let me tell you what I got. So since we last spoke. We've had some decent weather here in Georgia. Was able to get out last Friday, played a little hooky from work. Don't tell'em. Has it been nice there like every day?'Cause I feel like we had a lot of nice days today. The weekdays are great. I and I know while we're on this this six day rain cycle.

Where it just happens to fall on the weekend, you know, it's crazy. Uhhuh. But but but yeah, I mean, yeah, Saturday was bad, but Sunday was great. You know, Friday was great. So was able to get out with with my buddies Nick and Sean. So Nick came out and we flew Sunday at the I'm sorry, Friday at the field. But I'm sad to say I only flew and practiced with my Genesis.

Friday I was gonna take the Wraith out to practice, but in transit to the field, you know the the little rubber dampers, the little spacers on the gear, the landing gear snap.

Um which is weird. I mean, you know, I drive the truck and and I have a mounted up on a Yeah, I I j you know Well, I tell you what, I was going over a train track and you know, everything just kind of rocks back and forth, but this thing just started violently tilting back and forth and next thing you know I saw it laying on its side and I said, Well goddamn it broke.

So Alex, you know the dampened flybarless mount on SA B helicopters? Yes. Picture that between the bottom of the frame and the skids. That's a that's four of those. Visual, yep. It has that on the wraith? Yeah. Yes. Yes. So also what I learned too.

You know, you fast forward some some time. I went to Facebook to to ask the Wraith folks in that group, you know, hey, what can I do? And they say, Well, you really don't need it if you fly it pod and boom, right? I mean it's it's really good to dampen fuselage auto rotation lens.

So, you know, take'em off. Don't use'em for for pop and boom. So that's just what I did, I mean, for my next trip out. But so I just flew to Genesis for that day. Got about six rounds in, just you know, shooting shit, Sean and Nick and having a good time. I mean, it was it was great weather. Um I just can't imagine having that machine and driving down the road and looking back and be like, the landing gear fell off of it.

And I probably could have did all that stuff at the field, but I just didn't feel like it. I wanted to take advantage of the weather and fly, man. So I said screw it, I'll fix it and come back. you know, Sunday and fly or whatever. But uh but no, I mean I I you know, like I said, the the Genesis flew well and and and I flew this song, Road of Flight version two one one.

Right. Nick's out there with his two two RC three version and he's like in love with it. He's like, Man, you gotta try it. You know, I've been real skeptical about like release candidates, you know,'cause they are they have some issues, but

Everyone's raving over this R C three candidate for two two. So I'm like, all right, well, tell you what, you know, after today I'm gonna go home and, you know, get it installed and I'll come back out Sunday, try it out. So Sure enough, went home, fixed the wraith up but put the landing gear flat on the bottom of the uh the the frames there now and got rid of that that damper.

Brian, before you go any further, I feel like a lot of listeners aren't gonna understand what you're talking about with R C three two point two. So basically there's a new version of rotor flight that's out. If you don't fly rotor flight, it's like you know, you're waiting for version eight of V Bar or whatever. It's like the new version that has some new new stuff on the head and also some new stuff on the head.

So so go ahead. Yeah. No, no, that's that's great.'Cause uh another th way you can explain it too, you know, because rotor flight is kind of open source software, you know they'll release it quicker, right? Because it's it's very community driven. So so the the second they put a a candidate out like this, everyone grabs it, goes out tests and they come back and they provide their feedback and the developers listen. And they take this stuff quickly and they go and implement the changes.

You know, and get out, you know, the next either the next release candidate or they wrap it up and it's, you know, the the GA uh profession or the production version that goes out. So yeah, I mean, you know, we love it. It's it's quick and and these updates are great.

And they're just getting better and better. I I I don't know what else they can do to this thing to make it better than what it already is, right? Well, make it easier to use. Yeah, make it easier to use. There you go. Now work on the interface, right? But but no, we so we went back out Sunday, man, and and another great day. Uh, got there super early and I said, Well, let me let me put the wraith up first because I've been, you know, flying the Genesis all weekend long and Boy man, guys.

I hate to say it, man. I mean, uh the Wraith is like it it grew on me really hard Sunday. Like I didn't want to fly to Genesis, guys. I mean, nothing against it, but just you know, it's pilot preference, right? But that Wraith flew very, very well for me and it was so stable Such a solid burden the air. The aerobatics were just incredible with this thing. And uh

I'm in love with it. I'm like, holy cow. I didn't think I would be. I thought this would just be some bird I'd just, you know, try out and see how I like it. But it's gonna become my primary competition bird now. Well, I Oh, wow. When SAB said they're coming out with the new Genesis, I fully expected you to be like, I don't even want this thing anymore. No, I was. I w I I really was. And I don't know, I still got a little little

So little thought behind. Are you gonna get the new Genesis, Brian? Still debating it. St still debating it. He was until this weekend. If I was a Batman, I would say yes. He won't be able to resist. He's gonna want to try it. He has to. He has to. It's a good sport. I'd probably get it, but I it it it probably won't see competition.

It it's it's too late, I guess. That'll be a little too tight to n for nets. Yeah. Well that takes time to like get used to it or whatever, set it up and make sure that it is what you yeah, yeah, of course. But you're gonna get one, I'm sure. There's no way you're not.

Yeah, I will. I'm and I've been waiting for this thing. I've been pissed off and up and down and so excited that the that the the Rotor Live event where they displayed it and I was like, Holy cow, that thing is beautiful So I couldn't wait and then when it came out and said, Oh, we're sorry. And I was like, Oh but I I I won't I don't want to go back there with that button.

But no man, so so yeah, I wanna get a second one, a second Wraith and even the fuselage is for it. Now I I know is one of our guys in the group, Renzo, has the fuselage for the Wraith and it looks incredible with it on there, so I'm gonna get another eighth, two fuel salages, get'em ready for competition, just waiting on that's uh so the company you buy'em from, Energy Power RC, is the only ones that really carry these things right now.

I think they're probably out on holiday leave or something. I think some of the guys in the Facebook group said because they haven't responded to my inquiries for a a couple of days now. So I I guess I'll wait till they get back. But I'm just Super excited about this this this two dot two version of of rotor flight, like wow, I just can't believe how solid this thing is. Um did you know the dynamic Tail thing that where it deadens the tail around center temporarily? Absolutely.

Pretty cool. So before this I I had this little issue with the tail. I've been working on this tail for a a hot minute and you know, I I've had my eye gain like up so high just to kinda hold it as best I could, but I I don't know if it was m mechanical or what, but it would give me a slight little move. And I was like, you know, it shouldn't be moving.

Guys, it doesn't even move now. I don't know what they did to fix this thing, but it sits solid now. Like holy cow. Maybe that's why I don't feel that'cause on my uh my setup I already had like forty dead band I use on my tail rudder. Hm. So I can go stick wiggling, you know, and you don't get any movement out of it. Yeah. So with the new software If you haven't done it or you're curious what I'm talking about, that it does this thing where if you flip your stick and you

You know, you get that bounce back at center. If you do that, the older software, the tail servo would jitter. You could watch it on the bench. And now when you go back to center and you release, it deadens it's a temporary dead zone and so it will not flutter on you. So when you go to center stick, you you you temporarily, very briefly, will have a higher dead b deadband area. I'm sorry. I just was thinking of that video with that guy who lets go of the sticks a lot.

Sorry, I couldn't hold it in. Oh god. Strong wind. I'd say there's one one last thing, though. But Yeah. I mean it So forward flight too as well, right? So fast forward flight across. I mean I I kinda live in this two D plane, right, where I fly across, do a maneuver, come out of it and go down the field and turn around and come back and do another the next maneuver. Well, you know, before you you really have to pilot the bird to keep

Nice and level and and still. But now they've they've introduced this what is it? Fast speed interval that you go. That helps hold that for you. So you don't have to do as much piloting, right? And it just it feels like cheating almost, but oh

What a difference. It was there in the other one too, Brian. You just had to increase it from forty to or thirty or whatever it was stock. Yeah, it may have been lower because right now I I just gotta say that the default Archie was out and he was telling me about it too and he just said, Well just

Try it at the default for now and see how it works. But he said, you know, when you come back out, increase it until you get the oscillations and then just back off a few points because you want it to be as tight as it can possibly be, right? So I'll try that next time I go out. But but no man, I had a blast. I have fun. I I haven't really been out to fly as much, especially practice for F three C

these last few days of or last few weeks have been and been amazing for me. So I'm, you know, looking forward to to Nats. I just signed up for it. So I'll be up in Muncie early July to compete. So yeah, I mean I comm I commend you, Brian. Like I mean, practicing It's tough, man. And and especially like F three C even like uh the AMA classes, that stuff is tough, man. It's yeah. It takes an incredible amount of discipline.

Yeah. Um for the people that don't know, it is it is very intense. It it it seems easy, but it's extremely difficult. And it takes a an incredible amount of discipline to to get all your routines. Done right, right? Your schedules. Yes sir. Yeah. Yes sir. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I commend you for that, man. That's a lot of work.

I'll jump in and I'll be quick. First up, if you're going, Why do I sound terrible? It's'cause I have bronchitis, which is super fun. So yeah, that's going on. Got lots of medicine going through the body, so that's helping. But uh let's dig into stuff. So I have flown a lot. The most I've flown in between episodes

This year for sure. That makes me so happy. Like maybe five times. I don't know. I've lost count, which is fantastic. Wow. That's good for a week, two weeks, right? That's two weeks. Yep. Uh and When we recorded last I was saying I was about to go meet my buddy Daryl and a bunch of guys in LA to go fly, so I did do that, so Daryl and I met up the day after we recorded the last episode.

And he met a picture of you and him together. So it was funny. Yeah, it's it's kind of cool. Like I'm glad you went over there. Those guys are awesome. Yeah. They are awesome. And I met a ton of the crew out there. I think, you know, Darrell let everybody know, like, hey, I got a friend from out of town coming to fly Heli's. So we all met up and I think Throughout the day I probably met twelve different heli guys out in LA. You know, we had as many as ten at a time out there.

So I brought the I had the R S five that I'd built in Sydney and then brought it from there to LA. So I made it. What a ridiculous story that you built that thing in Australia. Built it in Australia, flew it to Los Angeles, maidened it in LA with the LA crew. And it was funny, you know, there were enough people there and only one flight station, so I was like, Well, you know, it needs some tuning, but it's close enough. I'm just gonna fly it and have fun. So the the tale had some like

Side to side like a slow wag thing. Uh, and then in like fast backwards flight there was a little bit of a head bobble. And I messed with gains a little bit and improved it slowly, but I just didn't want to keep landing and tuning, landing and tuning when there were so many guys there and I was just having fun. I frankly I was just super excited to just fly all dang day. We got to the field at ten thirty and I think we wrapped it up and when we got hungry at like five o'clock.

Literally flew all day. Like that's cool. Twelve, fourteen flights on the RS five. Which flies great, by the way. We'll talk more about that in another episode. But enjoyed that helicopter. So I had a great time in LA. Met a ton of amazing people out there. I'm not gonna try and name names because I'm terrible at that. But the LA crew, thank you for your hospitality.

Truly enjoyed hearing from all of you. Thanks for the kind words about the show. And just I don't know, just thanks for being a home away from home to hang out with some heli dudes. So that was a great day out there. And then came back to Atlanta the day after that and got been to fly a bunch here. So that Friday I think is when I met up with Brian and Sean. Brian, it was great to see you, man. Brian and I live in Atlanta, but we hadn't seen each other in person since

Winter Bash? Has it been that long? Yeah. Holy crap, are you serious? Well, you've been gone for months. I've been gone. And you know, Brian can typically only fly weekends and I can typically only fly during the week, so You know, our schedules are opposite each other. So, you know, it's always a a long distance between when Brian and I see each other, even when we're not quite so busy. So but it was good to see Brian. And yes, Bert, you're right.

And you see Brian at the field, like he has fun with us, but then it's all business when he steps up to the flight line. Like Brian does not like fly two practice rounds and then goof off doing flips or whatever. You know, he is all business. You know, every flight is off. F F three C sorry, F three C It's like uh any kind of like precision flying F A I F three uh F F three C is like crazy. Yeah, these guys are hardcore. They they take it very seriously. And my favorite part.

Is that at the end of every flight, obviously in in F three, F three Z ends with an auto into, you know, a precision auto. And if Brian does his precision auto and there is percentage left in the battery, he will continue doing those autos until he's out of battery. Like

Just works it and works it and works it. So kudos to you, Brian. I'll throw that on there. Go up and down, go up and down, hit the hole. Yeah. He does not mess around. Does that mean he's a 15-minute one-pack flyer? No, not quite that long. I'm giving you a hard time now. Solid eight minutes for sure. Easily. Mm-hmm. And then also I

was told by a few people who drink the Kool-Aid that I should update to this release candidate version of Rotorflight. Which is a two point two RC three release candidate three. So you basically are voluntary beta testers. Who would do that?'Cause it goes through all the testing on Rotor Flight goes through like a core group. And then once it's verified as being s safe and stable, it goes out to the community and then

Everybody gives feedback and then it gets officially released. So you're in sort of the vol you don't have to do this, but anyway, through this on. So like I said, the RS five was just a little sloppy. It needed some tuning. I kid you not. I put this new version of the software on, the slow wag was gone in the tail, and I could fly as fast as I want backwards and the boom is just dead solid, like completely straight line, no matter what you know, how fast I fly it in any direction.

It basically like cleaned up my sloppy tune. Which was I think that the new bass tune is just better than what the bass tune was on the previous version. I think so too. Uh so Updating it cleaned up a lot of things on the RS5, enough that I've already moved it to all of my other models and which are all flying great. So I'm across the board on my the main three in my fleet, which is the Spectre, the Ill Goblin Pro and this RS five right now.

are all running great. So I flew all three of those a ton. Uh my Spectre's been a little fussy to tune and I gotta say this new version cleaned up the Spectre as well. So it's just flying better all around. Especially at lower head speeds where I was having the most trouble with it. But So that was good. Wrenching wise, been busy as well, although not as much. Man, this bronchitis has kicked my butt. Like usually I wrench at nine o'clock at night after the kids are in bed.

But man, by by the time I hit nine o'clock I was exhausted. I was like, I can't function anymore and I can't breathe and this sucks. So the best time to wrench is when your wife gets home, like right before she gets home, so that you know That she's gonna come looking for and you're like, Can't you see I'm busy, like I just got here.

Nice. Totally. It's funny. But I did get wrenching wise, I managed to get a little done the other day and I got all the upgrade parts on my Ilgoblin Pro. So I put the center pivot on the head in and I put all the tail upgrade parts on it just to try. And I flew it today for the first time in that configuration, and I couldn't tell a bit of difference. What are the tail parts?

So I didn't expect to notice the tail improving. It's just some stuff that's a little beefier. So the tail bell crank uses two pins instead of one cup to move the slider. So it's just a little bit of a better grip on it. I would admit grip's probably the wrong word, but uh it's a more positive. It's the same what what is it called? The uh

I can't think of the name. The the slider. It's not the slider. Yeah, the slider is it it has this uh piece with supported from the top and bottom and it's an original part from way back in the Thunder Thunder, what is it called? The the black Thunder days. Thunder Sport Thunder Sport days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same part actually. It changed the part number, but it's the same part.

And it it's definitely better for slop. But I don't think you'll notice anything in flight. I think it just helps over time to to reduce the amount of slop you develop. you know, over the course of, you know, hundreds of flights or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's the belt tensioner, well not really belt tensioner, the pulleys that go over the the bearings that go over the top of the tail pulley just to help hold the belt on.

Which is just nice and is kind of the new standard, I feel like. So I didn't expect to notice the difference in the thing with the head, Nick. Like you didn't feel any difference with that pivoting thing at all? So everybody told me like I would notice an improvement, but I was already really happy with the way it flew. But I didn't I couldn't tell what was different with my style of flying. And you know, I don't fly flying it at.

Anywhere from I think my low is sixteen fifty to two thousand. So typically more at seventeen fifty, eighteen hundred. Still I think you would I would also think you'd notice it. I mean it flies great. I'm super happy with it. I just didn't notice anything.

But I've I haven't tried it, so I'm just curious. Like I think Kyle started flying that too and the kid that works for me, James Palacios, he's a really good pilot. He swears by it. So I don't know. I I've I haven't tried it, but kinda wanted to because You know, the the Trons were notoriously very connected, as you all know. And and I think some of that had to do with that non-floating spindle design, right? So I wanna I wanna try that eventually.

I don't know. I mean it could be as simple as for the average Joe you may not notice until you get to, you know, a more advanced pilot level. But uh I mean it's certainly not hurting anything. It flies just as well as it did before, so I'm not taking it out. But uh so far I haven't noticed. But today was also an exciting day, so it's also possible I might notice it on a different day. So hopped up on all this medication, really wanted to fly with my friend Chris today. So went out to go fly and

Had the specter out and came like two inches from stuffing it in the ground. Like kind of lost orientation in the blackout mods specter, right? Like has the So like it's at a weird angle in the sun, it's kind of in silhouette, I lose orientation and I literally just get

And I guessed right with it two inches off the deck, literally my finger is on the back of the hold switch, about to pull it and let it go in, and it like goes like bogs the hell out of thing, goes like and then starts gaining altitude. Woo, I guessed right. Keep flying, chalk it up to just the sun, do it again. Similar situation. Like lose orientation and although that time I was like Did I just get behind the helicopter? I'm like, what's going on? Like something fell off.

And whatever, I moved on, flew again, this time the Ogoblin Pro. Almost stuffed the Old Goblin Pro. And then I was like, I know what this is. And sitting down between flights, I was feeling really tired. And I'm like, this is all the medicine in my body and it's making me tired.

And I'm like, I can't I'm like, literally, I need to pack it up. Like, just gonna shut my helicopters off, hang out with Chris at the field for a little while. And that's what I did. I was like, You're hopped up on weird prescription strength cough medicine and breathing medicine and all the steroid stuff. I was like, You're you're off your game and you have a free helicopter, so you should stop. So I did. And that's that's where I'm at.

I'm glad you chose not to crash the blackout mod mono frame. Oh, I am too, dude. It was so close. I mean, I bogged the living daylights out of that thing to dig it out of the grow. I hear mine is held up. I hear they take it good though. Like I hear they crash really well, right? We have the number one crash test dummy on our show. Yeah, I've been the crash test dummy. Yeah. No doubt. I feel like this year, almost every other episode I come on and go, I crashed. Oh, man.

I did have one other thing. So I picked up the M five, the OMP M five to build and I think I'm actually gonna I re since I got sick and didn't build it this week, I'm gonna take it with me on my trip to Texas sa head to San Antonio on Friday. And just build it there, I think. But what I didn't realize, because apparently you're supposed to read this stuff on the, you know, splash page when you order things, mm, is it takes a mini tail servo. And of course I have a full size tail servo for it.

And there is a part you can get that will allow you to use a full size tail servo, but nobody has them yet. I don't think anybody has spare parts. Midland doesn't have them, buddy doesn't have them, Burke doesn't have them. Shoot me Nick, shoot me a message tomorrow and I'll I'll send'em to you. I do have'em. Oh yeah. I'll send'em to you. I'll put'em in an envelope and send them to you.

Oh, you're a man. Dude. Mickey locked out on that. No, I have'em. They uh so what happened was my kit was a pre production one that came with the wrong servo mounts it came designed for it it came with the with the full size servo mounts for the cyclic and the tail and uh and I didn't want to use those so I kinda stalled my build until they could send me the the minis.'Cause I guess in China some people I guess for the Chinese market they were using the full size. I don't know why, but

Anyway, I I got the the ones for the meanies and that's what I put in mind. So I I have the full size for both the cyclic and the tail. So I'll I'll send you the tail mounting kit. It's fine. Oh, that's awesome. Thanks, dude. Yeah, and apply. Yeah, the only reason I want to go full size on the tail is that I want to put the exact same electronics in this one that I have in my RS five so I could compare them like apples to apples.

And I'm running twelve volt minis and a twelve volt tail full size, so I can't get a twelve volt mini tail servo yet. I don't think anybody makes one. So Wanna make them apples to apples. So cool. That's awesome. That's solved that problem. So that's it for me. Who's next? Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny. Burt gonna go last. I can go. I'll go. I'll go.

Don't let it bully you. You're in charge. Yeah, you're in you're in charge. Don't set a precedent. Yeah. All right, so I'll go. So so I'm gonna start with depressing. Some depressing, I guess. Uh yeah, depressing stuff just because I've been quite annoyed and a little bit depressed to be honest about these stupid tariffs and uh you know I don't I don't wanna get into a political discussion. I I'm not

I don't care about politics. I don't lean in any direction. So it's not it's not about that. But I I I just think that these terrors are ridiculous. You know, and and for the people that don't understand, this is not a Terraphone China. This is a Terraphone. This is a tariff on on importers and and retailers and customers, right? So so a lot of meetings recently with manufacturers, b vendors.

Even been meeting with, you know, Sam from Helydract, some of the guys from A-Main, like just trying to figure out how to go about this. Right now it's pretty depressing. We're not we're not importing anything. So we're hoping that things are gonna change. I think a lot of ships have left China and yeah, it doesn't look very good but

You know, we we're we're trying to find ways to to stay afloat and to continue uh you know, this is obviously not just affecting the the business the the hobby business. This is affecting everything, right? It's not it's not just a hobby, but uh You know, hopefully things will change soon. But yeah, it's been kinda crazy'cause It's not just the tariffs, it's just the uncertainty, right? It changes almost weekly, so it's like okay, so

You know, how much is it gonna be today? It's like yeah I'm like, Sam, what are you doing with this product or that product? Oh, I'm just going up twenty percent. Okay, oh we're gonna go up another ten percent. And the next thing we know is like, no, we gotta go like three hundred percent. Almost exactly. Yeah, crazy. So it's just this has been tough for business. Uh Bert, so out of curiosity, yeah. The tariff you get charged.

Is that on the day it crosses into the United States at the going rate or the day you place the order? So we're kind of fighting now fighting i a claim with uh customs and border protection'cause we had an import from Tron that shipped us a small relatively small order before quote unquote liberation day. And uh it should have been taxed at twenty percent, but customs held this thing for three weeks. And so when they released it, they decided to charge us 145%.

Oh Jesus. I mean technically it is uh based on the import date, right? Not based on the the uh export date from China. So it's when it arrives in the United States. But I'm fighting this because this was Federal Express's negligence. Because historically, you know, when I look at all my shipments, you know, it takes anywhere between, you know, as little as five days, as long as, you know, fifteen days, right? From the time they ship to the time it arrived.

And this one was just three and a half weeks. So it went through all these hikes of like, you know Whatever, twenty percent of fifty six to a hundred, to a hundred and twenty five, two hundred and forty five. And boom, that's when they hit us when it hit hundred and forty five. So but technically is is it at the moment it uh it lands, it it it's cleared into customs in the United States.

But you know, again, like I said, this is affecting everybody and and you know, I'm optimistic and I'm I'm hoping that this is just something, you know, the president is doing as a leverage to try to help, you know, you know, reduce our again, I'm being politically correct here. I'm I'm hoping this is something that he's doing to try to reduce our our trade deficit and that, you know, he's using this as leverage and that hopefully

There'll be some talks with China and things will go down. You know, Vietnam is is is on a ten percent paw. Which helps SAB, right? But uh but what do you do with SAB if you don't have servos, blades, motors? Everything is in the hobbies made in China, right? Everything. I mean, the three most important brands of brand motor brands. You know, like Snova, Scorpion, and Eagle Drift, they're all made in China, right?

The Hobby Wang is made in China. You know, Scorpion ESCs are made in China. I mean, the only thing that's saved is why Y Y G E and and Tronic. And they're they're made in Germany, but i you know, almost everything is uh blades, ever I mean, it's crazy, right? When you when you think about it, is everything's almost made in China. So it's Yeah. Yeah, it's tough times. But anyway, all right.

Let go of the bad news. I am excited because I built two helicopters in the last what two weeks, two and a half weeks. So I did. I forgot about the other one. Yeah, I so I built the M five. And I realised I'd built it wrong. Alex corrected me. I but I put the uh the shim up on the rotor head on the spindle outside so I decided to go with the PLM dampeners instead of the O rings, right? Uh for a better and more direct feel and response.

And I ended up putting the the the shims out there and you're not supposed to. So it flew well, but it had the You also built it without a manual, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got an early I I had a manual but it wasn't really like it it it didn't look like what like what's out there right now. So

But it flew well. It just had that what I called a dirty dirty blade noise where uh when you did a flip or a roll or you used any cyclic, you could hear this kind of it's not really a flutter, but it's It he it just doesn't sound clean, right? So Alex is like, No, you c you can't run the shims. So I I took the shims off the machine today

And oh, it flew great. I I loved it. And, you know, I don't have the right motors too high of a KV is a twelve hundred K V motor, so It flotter it was sorry, it didn't flotter. Sounds like it's gonna explode'cause it's running like twenty running it at what head speed? Twenty seven fifty or so. It's cranking the cheese. I I told Suzy, like, can you come and help me do a quick video? And that that's that's what I put on the story on my Facebook. And it was like, I'm like

And she's like, you never fly without the canopy. And I'm like, I don't think I can get a replacement canopy. Like right now. So I flew it and I landed. She's like, You're so stupid. Like if you would have crashed it, you couldn't have gotten any parts anyway. So who cares? If you would have broken the channel Uh anyway, it flies amazing. I like it. I have to regear it so it's not so stupid. I don't like to run my speed controllers.

With I I don't like to have too much headroom where the speed controller is having to throttle back too much, right? Because it's very inefficient. I either change the gearing and lower my opinion size so that I can get you know, the ESC to run up there in the eighty, ninety, eighty five percent range.

Or I just run it at high head speed, like Tarek al Saudi style, right? So and that's what I did today. I mean the helicopter was way faster than I could handle it, but I have fun. I was shaking the whole time, but it was fun. It was fun. No, you weren't. Yeah, I was, dude. Like I showed it to Jonas and he's like, I can tell you were not comfortable. And I'm like, yeah. Um

Anyway, so I like that thing. And then I just finished uh building the Ill Goblin Five Twenty Pro, also a pre production. I think I think Dr. Sean got one, didn't he? Yeah, we had one. You had it out at the field the other day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I um I put that thing together. I used the theta nine eighty eight minis.

See that one takes a full size tail servo, standard size tail servo. That's weird. Well wait, yeah, yeah. It's a it's a standard size tail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's mounted way forward too. That's kinda cool. And you know what? Like I I'm sorry, Enrico, if you listen to this. I hate it. the way the roll five hunter flew.

I it just I don't know what it was. It made weird noises. It just didn't feel right. I don't I don't know what it was about that mu I mean, it's a great helicopter for most people, but for my flying and my flying style, I hated the way that thing flew. And I I I I went into this thinking I'm gonna hate it too, right? Because the head and the tail are the same pretty much and it's very similar in the sense that a lot of the a lot of the parts are shared with the with the Row five hundred.

But this thing flies amazing. I love it. It's a different head? Uh no, it's the same, dude. It's the same head as the Raw five hundred. Is it a different swash? No, it's the same. I don't know if it's And it should be the same machine, right? But it's not. I don't know if it has to do with the

The longer blades, it's a diff totally different uh center of gravity, obviously. You know, it's it's it's a longer canopy, it's a it's a different size boom. I don't know if it's visual, it could be mental too, right? It could be the visuals. I don't know what it is, but I just really, really like how it flies and how it feels. So locked in. And you know, it listen, it could be, okay, that when I was flying the Raw 500, I was flying V Bar and now I'm flying

Um rotor flight. So I'm not saying that rotor flight flies better, but I'm so connected to rotor flight right now that maybe it has something to do with that. I don't know. Burr, so the so the most notable difference Sean saw between the five hundred and the five twenty is that the five twenty tail h it held much better than the five hundred when he would punch out.

But the five hundred, it would just you know i it would lose the tail and just just rotate. Um he couldn't hold it to save the world. He couldn't get the FBL to hold it. But the five twenty so is much solid. No, you're right, Brian. And you know, I I discovered that today'cause I hadn't flown my five hundred and forever and I wanted to fly my 500 today to compare again and see. So I set up my 500 with rotor flight. And yes, indeed.

with the exact s you know, the the five hundred has the same swash and same rotor head, right? So you would think that the setup would have to be nearly identical. I mean shorter blades by twenty millimeters, but whatever. Right. Um I set it up the same and yes. With the same amount of collective pitch, if I punch the collective on the five hundred, you're right, Brian, it it the till actually almost like gives out, right?

Yeah. Like it rotates like solid twenty, thirty degrees or something. Yep. Yep. I don't get that with the five twenty and it just sounds better, it feels better. I I don't know what it is. I mean it I probably just just to be honest, the logical progression of like improving a product, right, in in many different ways.

Absolutely, what I also which nobody has seen this and and I don't know if you guys have you know, Sean or somebody posted this, but this this 520, Ill Goblin 520 is the same color scheme as the 700 Pro, but it's but this orange is is is shiny. It's it's got a clear coat. Oh it does. It makes it look brighter. Oh it looks really nice. Is it looks amazing in person and like you look at pictures, you don't know is is clear coated.

And and and, you know, y you you're thinking you're gonna expect the same, you know, old Goblin Pro you know, seven hundred orange and whatever and matte finish, which, you know, is kinda cool but I'm just kinda done with the mat. I I really got tired of the mat. And this thing it w with the with the clear coat.

It just looks amazing. I even told Enrico what you do is like, uh, I just want to try something new. I'm like, Well stick to the new because this looks really cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Agreed. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, there for a while I was just clear coating all my canopies like for a few years.

Yeah, yeah. I know people that have purchased the uh old goblin pro seven hundred, you know, the white to white boom and canopy or the blue baby blue like I have and they clear coat it and yeah, it just it brings it it It looks so good. I think there's color there are there are colors that look amazing and matte, like the Kyle Stacey edition.

colors does look really good. I think those snow camo ones did too, some of those. Yeah, I agreed. Agreed. But there's other colors that look so much better when they're When they're nice and shiny, right? And and and especially, you know, if the clear coat is done well, like S A B

Yeah, I'm not trying to bash them, but you know, they're they're trying to just put booms and canopies together. So when I do clear coat, they just throw a coat or two, whatever. But if you do like multiple coats and then you like wet sand in between coats and you get it to really like come through like like automotive paint, it they look so freaking amazing. It's like crazy. So yeah. Gives it some depth, yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Other than that, let me see what else. I've been testing something super cool. Unfortunately I can talk about it. But all I can say this is one of so I've tested stuff over the last twenty years in the hobby industry. And I cannot like I'm I'm surprised as to how Secret. Everybody that's been involved with this project has been. It's crazy. But all I can has is it an airframe, electronics? No, electronics. But I can tell you like whenever it's released is gonna be freaking awesome. So

Stay tuned. Like if I wish I could say more, but I've been like I had to mention it because I spent probably 50 hours in the last two weeks. messing with this thing, but it's it's super cool. So everybody's gonna go. Give us a ballpark. How much do we need in our savings account to buy this up? Pretty cheap. Pretty cheap. Well with tears And last but not least, tend at the uh spring fling of course. Got to see Kenny hung out for what? Like an hour, dude? Like if that like

Yeah, I saw you and I'm like, So you're not going anywhere? And he it's like, Shut up. Yeah, we uh so I I made a decision er early in the year, not not early, but when all this terrif stupid stuff started to come along and Susie and I are looking at numbers and what this means for a business and and all the other stuff I got going on the side. And I made the decision that I would not attend any event.

For the time being, just out of just Just being responsible and doing the right thing and, you know, we felt that I mean can we afford going places yes we can. We have other sources of income but it's more a is a matter of principle, right? Like what i i we should just

lay low and just see what's gonna happen. But, you know, Joe Reyes, you know, used to he's the one that pretty much started that event with Casey Campbell and uh Joe and I are like super good friends. He's like a brother to me and he just He's been guilty me into going so last minute, I think it was Tuesday night, he's like, You gotta come, blah, blah, blah.

So I told Susie, you know, can you hold a fort and I'm gonna leave tomorrow. So I left Wednesday afternoon. I got there Friday morning, uh Thursday morning. I spent all day Thursday, all day Friday, hang out, and then Friday night we went to dinner somewhere and then at b at about ten thirty at night I started my drive back. I don't know how you did that.

Yeah, my son was my son moved to Missouri about a year ago, so and he was visiting Florida for the weekend. That's it. He was coming to Florida on Friday and going home on Monday. So like I I mean, I could have gotten away with it and told Suzy, like, I'm sorry, baby, I I I'm not coming I'm coming back Sunday night. But

No, I just I felt like I needed to get back and spend some time with him and and her and like hang together. It's been a while since we've been together, the three of us, so So I left I left Friday night at like ten thirty.

And I drove nonstop and made it home at about I think I don't remember, like three in the afternoon on Saturday. Oh my God, that's terrible. Yeah, dude. I was like I got home and like I was like, She's like, Why would you do that? I'm like, You you should have gotten a hotel. I'm like,

If I would have gotten a hotel, I would have slept till like six thirty-seven. I would have not left till eight, and I would have gotten home at midnight. At least I'm here. So I took like an hour nap, two hour nap, and then, you know, we had a nice dinner, hung out. And then I was home all day Sunday. So but I made the executive decision that I will never ever do that again. I could do that when I was twenty five.

But I'll I cannot do it at do that at fifty three. No way. It gets worse. Yeah. Yeah. It That's my kind of trips. Yeah. You do you do that over you pull the overnight trips? four, three or four in the morning from my house to get there by like eleven AM.

But three or four is not bad. Like I could do that. It's not horrible. Yeah, but skipping an entire night's sleep, dude, that's hard. Yeah. It's really I found that going anywhere from where we are about three or four in the morning works perfect to where you're going if you're going up north or west or whatever for a while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it still eats up your day, so but it does, yeah.

Anyway, Virginia was great. You know, Spring Fling is one of those events. If if if any of you guys, I know I know all of you guys have been there, but for anybody listening, if you've not been to Spring Fling, you have got to make the trip. I feel like it It's if you live east of the Mississippi is for sure a do not miss event. It's one of the best in the country, hands down. Yeah.

It's super fun, dude. There's probably like two or three events I can look forward to as much as the spring fling in the entire country. So for sure you gotta make the trip there. We had a great a lot of fun. I didn't get to hang out with Kenny or a lot of people for long. I was just moving around, trying to say hello to as many people as I could. But I got to fly the neutron dynamic

Pro, which was pretty cool. Kevin McGrady was wanting to do a video. He's like, uh, hey, could you fly it? So I'm like, Yeah, I'll fly it. And uh he threw a f a little bit of video there and I got to hang I got to hold Kenny's radio. No the hello radio? The hello radio, yeah. I didn't push the button I didn't say hello hello radio while you were climbing. You didn't get a chance to do that, but

No, if it feels great, man. I I stand corrected. I always used to say oh it's too wide, it's weird. But no, it feels great. No, you're talking about the front the fry thing. Free sky. R S, yeah, free sky. Yeah. Free Sky. No, it felt good. I always thought that they were too wide, but They're thinner, right? Than the Radio Master. So that kind of makes it feel really good in your hand.

Um, I might have to try one soon. But yeah, so that's all I have. Just a lot of flying recently. No flying for the last couple of months, and all of a sudden the last couple of weeks, a lot of flying. So yeah, it's been it's been cool. Now unfortunately we're We're we're reaching the uh the worst part of the year for in Florida, which is the

ninety seven degrees and ninety nine percent humidity. So my flying will probably slow down come June and then we'll reach out. Yeah, I need to be like a bird. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. For sure.

Yeah. But uh yeah, that's all I have. Simple Kenny, keep going. Tell us about uh Sprinkling. Yeah, Kenny, we're talking about Sprinkling. Long trip just like Bert, but probably yeah, I left at a better time, I guess. So yeah, I got to and and Bert loves this. I got to see some old man three D. How long is your old man? How long was your seven hours and forty something minutes? Almost. So the old man three D was a lot better than my three D when I got there. I I showed up

And you know what? You were you were taping me. You you're you're a dumbass. You were I was helping this guy, this this guy, remember? Yeah, with this tron. And he had no idea what he was doing with the V bar and I was trying to help him'cause he was like complaining about everything. And you did a video and you posted it. Oh, I saw it. I kinda like skipped a few parts where you said stuff and then put the other part in where you're flying.

Yeah, that's funny. Funny.'Cause you were talking a lot about how setting it up and stuff. I was like, Oh look, Bert went back to V Bar. Yeah. So I got there it was like Friday around it was about eleven o'clock or eleven thirty, but I I showed up like I've had that blade seven hundred helicopter that I've been screwing with, you know, just Flying it most of the time with no canopy, probably eighty percent of the time.

So I showed up there, I'm like, I'll just use this thing so if it goes in, you know, it's the blade helicopter or whatever. And I got that thing out and I was like, I'm gonna fly no canopy here too. I don't need a canopy. And I look up at the sky, you know, in in this field, you know, you have your east and west sides of the field. There's two flight, you know, directions, but I decided to go on the side with the sun.

Oh, where the sun's in your face? Yeah, on the east in the morning and it's not directly. I don't know. It was the closest you know, place to take off. So I go over there and it's cloudy. Like it was cloudy for half the day on Friday, but it was like that really bad gray, like where you see the sun shining through it, but it's blocking, you know, making it hard to see.

And at first I was just flipping around for maybe a minute and a half, two minutes, just flying, doing nothing, nothing out of the ordinary. And then when I rolled it over once, I kinda got to my right more, which is where the sun was at apparently. Then I realized oh I can't even see the direction this thing's doing anything at all and then I rolled it you know I went ahead and just

calmly rolled it over another time, like just did an airline roll. I'm like, I'm gonna figure out which direction this is in and by then it was like seven feet off the ground and it's like Slid sideways. So I just shut it off and

It slammed it on its side. No. That's a bummer, dude. I didn't want to pitch pump it or anything'cause it was at the lowest point at that point where I was probably if I pitched it wrong, you know, it was just gonna slam me harder. Was this the first flight of the day? Or like of the week? Yeah, I got that over with right away. Wow. Let this be a lesson to you.

Canopy less heathens. Yeah. And I just it was like a debatable thing. I'm like, I don't need it. I'll put it on later. And if this goes in, it's doesn't have the canopy trashed and Oh well. It went in, but it was it smashed the side frame and maybe three or four pieces like links and stuff like that. It wasn't horrible, but it's gonna be one of those put it in the corner.

What day? What's that? What what day That was Friday, like probably noon or something like that. So that I missed it somehow. Yeah, it was probably right before I spoke to you or right it might have been before, I think. It's right before you came over, I believe. I was probably tossing the parts in the car. I think it was right before that, I guess. After that I just flew my nitros and then flew my uh R S seven too.

Had didn't have any other issues with that stuff though. Actually, no, I did. So take that back. It was it was a Saturday morning I decided to pull out that little Steam four twenty and that's the one I've been flying like on the Radio Master, you know, edge T X set up. Mm-hmm. And I had updated that along with my other stuff and I took off and I barely gave it, you know, anything, just a little bit of

stick movement to level it out. It did instant like tail jabs. You know, it was going n like tail down, like full. And I thought it was like a interference thing. I'm like, what the heck's going on? It took me a while to actually figure out what it was and what had happened, I guess, when I updated the firmware. on the transmitter like three or four days back, I hadn't really flown it.

And I didn't recalibrate the sticks and one of the s like the elevator stick was going a hundred percent with like ten percent throw on the stick. Oh crap, dude. So if I barely move the stick, it was going full rear elevator. And I was saving it while I was flying it every time. I'm like, what the heck? I kept, you know, fighting it and I landed.

And then I just realized what I was doing when I looked at the channel monitors and I was like, Oh duh, it needs to be recalibrated. Apparently it got out of whack. So That was fun. A little excit excitement two times. I thought it was corrected the second time I took off and it wasn't. Dude, that's a miserable way to start a fun fly. Yeah. Yeah, so that the bad stuff kinda after that I never had any problems the rest of the weekend. It was You're familiar with that, Alex.

Yeah. Yeah. You were there when I crashed those two in California. Yeah. I've not had any real ER ELRS problems. That I thought that might have been one, but it was really just a transmitter calibration issue, you know? Nothing to do with it. So speaking of that, like updates I did possibly talk Nick into updating his or some other people. But Yeah. So I was running before like the two point whatever it was.

ten or something like that. And then when I switched, I actually updated like a week and a half ago to the two point one one, which was kind of the same as what you're flying on the newest version, but you had to drop a file in there was so it must be born updating. You had to drop in the high speed integral tune settings basically into the firmware file and then load it. So I did all that my helicopters, you know, six or seven of those.

Got to fly a few of them, try it out. I'm like, Oh, this works great. And then right before the fun fly, they released the two point two RC three. So then I'm like, Okay, that goes two more hours. I'm gonna sit down and I re updated all the rest of them again, just did it again. I'm like, okay. And the second time you do it, the newest one there is you don't have to do the file or anything. You just basically are loading it back in. So wasn't as bad.

And everything seemed to work good after that, but Yeah, the fun fly was fun. There was quite a few. I think when I signed up I was like pilot eighty three. No, probably that's a good amount.

Well yeah, that was I couldn't believe there was I there must have been close to a hundred then and it didn't even seem like it, I guess'cause the way the you know, the two sides of the field are and it's spread out and everything. I don't know, but somehow there was a Sprinklings if you've never been, it's a really big place, so

Eighty pilots doesn't feel like a crowded thing there. Yeah, it's probably like maybe three hundred two hundred fifty, three hundred yards long, but it's two sides. So you have, you know, east and west side of that. And then permanent night lights, which is cool. I didn't stick around too much for the night flying, it was just

One I think it was Friday night, it might have been s a little bit rainy and foggy, so went back to the hotel. But the uh the night the night lights, Kenny, were were pretty high in my opinion, right? It was it's kinda hard to see out there.

'Cause Yeah, they had him aimed up pretty high. Yeah, because Chris Lamantis like was trying to egg me on if let's go fly. If you fly, I'll fly. And I'm like, no, if you fly, I'll fly. And then like we were looking out there and it it looked pretty it didn't look very bright. So I saw Saturday night they were using the spotlight in combination too, kinda helping spotlight. Thursday and Friday it didn't look that bright out there. So

They did on Saturday night. Casey shot the big cannonball off twice. I've never seen it either. I wanted to see that. I'd say it goes up two thousand feet at least. I would guess. It's way up there. Dude, that that ball's in the air for a long time. And it went out a good four a five four hundred, five hundred yards. It was into the next like cornfield back in the woods.

So dangerous, God. They need to take a picture of the ball where it's like on the ground. But Casey Casey has so much property though. Like Casey has like I I don't even remember how many acres is like A thousand? Like it it's a lot of property. So like it well that yeah, that ball's not gonna that it's not gonna hit any any Yeah, it's just wide open fields back there.

No, Casey walked up, he came up on the ATV, Kenny, at some point, I think it was you weren't even there yet. It was Thursday. He was get in, get in, get in. And I got in with Mitch Morozas and he drove us back and he has this shooting shooting range somewhere in the property and he had this fifty caliber fifty caliber revolver. Yeah. He's like, You're gonna try this. The wrist breaker. Yeah, wrist breaker, a hundred percent. And uh and Mitch and I

Try that thing and it it's yeah, it was crazy. It's actually not fun to shoot, is it? No, not at all. No, I think I did one round and so did Mitch and we're like, no, we're good. And then he brought other guns and we we shot for a little bit. But yeah, it's it's just always fun to go there. There there's so much to it it's like a big Ah, it's like camp when you're like twelve. If you guys ever went to camp.

It's like that there. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a nice hangout. He took my wife up in the plane the last time we were there too. Yeah. Yeah. It's just so much fun to go there. It's it it feels like everybody's family. It's just such a nice

Nice group of people, nice atmosphere. The flying is great. If the sun is in your face, Kenny, you go to the you go to the opposite side. You go to the other side. And what you know what's bad is too like in the evening when everybody starts flying in the main field.

the sun's away from you and you're like, Oh, I'm gonna go to their side, but then the s the sun's back there too, you know, like wherever you decide that's nobody's flying, that's where the sun's at, you know, if if the flight lines are full. Hands down for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I gotta I'm gonna instead of putting it in the like the the news or something like that, I'll just put it here. So if you don't have like a Sullivan You know, like if you're gonna fix your Sullivan starter shaft or something, I would say get the one that like Rob Bingham made, which looks like an awesome upgrade, like Bert. Still carrying those, right? Yeah, there's three options now. It's crazy. Rob Bangham did his in the UK, handmade, and he asked if we would stock it for him.

And then two others came out, right? So there's like three options now, I think. What's the other two? So Takumi? So the other so what I was gonna mention is I saw those Takumi Heli ones. And Diego had some of them on site. So I was like, I probably I wasn't sure if I would have ordered one because I necessarily, you know, my the one I have with works, but it was like an old one. Did you get Alex the gold shaft? You know what's funny, the one of my bodies gold.

No way Alex is gonna try to pawn it off me now. No disrespect to Rob. I mean his his his shaft is Rob has the best shaft. Yeah, his shaft is amazing and it's made in the UK. Now there's other shafts coming. My shafts made in the UK. But the Canadian shaft is really nice too. I I have seen it. There's just dips. So there's different options like uh this these Takumi ones

You have like long there is longer like lengths that are similar to the Sullivan, and then there's medium and then shorter lengths. So you can kind of pick. They can switch the um length of the shaft on there literally. You can have a longer shaft. Yeah, you can't get it. Can't switch the ball bearings though, but you can switch the shaft. So it's got a titanium. Um the main shaft in it is titanium and then there's You know, the needle bearings like those like the other ones have for a one way.

three sets of bearings in it and then on the titanium on the end of it it actually has a hardened steel replaceable tip. So I got a spare replaceable tip with it, but I mean it just looked a lot better than what I was using. So I was like, this is a great upgrade for me, but I'm sure if I had a Sullivan I'd rather do it the other route because it'd be a lot easier.

But uh I just thought I'd do a little shout out for those two because I think it actually is a pretty decent product. It's hard to tell. From what they show, you know, online, there's not really much info yet on it, but Takumi Hali carries those. Yeah. I heard that there was another one though.

Kenny, do you know anything about it? I somebody said to me Oh, there's three shafts now. Three shafts. One of my one of my guy the guys lives around here that flies locally is making some, but I don't know that he's actually selling'em or not. Either he made a few for himself. Yeah.

Well the Takumi has a one way built in whereas the Rob is just Rob's is just it's just a shaft itself. So there's no one way to go along with it. Yeah. He said he was gonna do a one way The one I have was just a cheap one and it was longer and it kind of you know, it'd vibrate around and stuff and this is much more

concentric and smooth, you know, it's so it's a big upgrade compared to what I was using anyway. Folks, sometimes shorter is better. Shorter shaft. Yeah, I chose the short one just'cause I didn't like how you have to hold your starter wand way up in the air, you know, sometimes. Depends on what you want, you know, it depends on your model too, I guess, or how high you set off the ground to when you're doing it.

Yeah, true. When you're starting your helicopter. Not when you're doing it. Yeah. How far from the ground? Nice. So that's uh that's my b that's my i bought something. Right on. Cool. Anything else? Any other highlights from Spring Fling before we go to Alex? Oh, geez, sorry. I'm stepping out. Sorry, Bert. Didn't mean to step on you there. No, you're you're the big host. I'm just a guest guest.

Anything else, Kenny? I did wait, I did buy something. I bought something else. Well it's not even Kenny. I like iBuy. I bought something it was a Kenny Co. uh I'm gonna try the Kenny Co pipe. Oh I decided to give one of those a try. I've never used the rub rubber mounted just because I'm always like I don't wanna sit there and look down and see the grommets burnt off and the pipe jiggling around, but I'm gonna use the big thing.

No, it's still it's the same. It's got like the two O rings inside and then four grommets, but I bought an extra set of grommets. So Oh really? Okay. If they die at least I'll have spare ones, I guess. Oh his is I didn't realize that. Rubber mounted I hear is better in the sense that they that's how they can tune that header, right? And that's that's a key part of the whole tuning thing. Could be with it being round and then it's the distance of it.

And it's all I mean, from what I see they're supposedly a lot smoother just because of the floating, you know, the pipes basically floating on there. So all the vibes that you would get from that long tube of aluminum are gone. Yeah. That are on the airframe. Or d debted, I guess. But you don't have to do it.

It you have to change the oar rings quite often though. And that's the only thing that the the oar rings on the They're silicone, yeah. Yeah. Dude, mine mine that I have, I have the Gregor pipe and it it lasted a long time for me. I don't know. Really? Yeah.

I wonder if there's something to the inner inner piece too, you know where you slip the silicone onto the round piece of aluminum? I wonder if you should like take a piece of sandpaper and get rid of the sharp aluminum edges that would eat into that inner part of the silicone.

you know, prevent it from being cut into. Yeah. Well you're talking about the promise, but I was talking about the actual o rings that go in the header that Oh yeah, the inners. I think the heat yeah, they they would stay in heat for quite a while, I think. Yeah.

But if but if but if it starts to loosen up because the grommets start to wear, then it starts to move around and then it eats up those actual oar rings, right? So I mean we gotta do maintenance. I mean, whatever. It's not like it's that critical, but I would say Maybe every hundred flights you should like Take it apart, clean it and Maybe replace the O-ring. Yeah, correct. I see what Kenny Co said is on one of his posts.

It comes with four like d lo nylon type lock nuts and I think he uses those even on the back of the four bolts that hold the grommets on just to make sure they don't like to to help prevent'em from falling off, even with Loctite. So you get those with it too. I don't like so. But we'll see. I mean it looks like you know I've seen a few of'em in person, but I haven't got to fly one yet and just wanted to try that over the OS uh speed pipe. Cool.

I think it's a hear what you say have to say about it after after you test it. Yeah, I'm curious'cause on the Tron, you know, it's a lightweight airframe, so even the pipe can cause vibes and they're pretty smooth versus when I had the one oh five on there. The ninety ones are

are way smoother feeling in general, but I think the the pipes gonna add another, you know, ten or twenty, thirty percent of smoothness to the airframe, I would think. I I agree. I think I think that that that for a fact that ninety one is so much smoother than the one oh five. I don't think it provides the same amount of power, but it's so smooth.

It's just worth having that over the tiny if there is a difference in power, it's worth having it over the the easy starting and the reliability and the less fuel use. It eat it eats less it it doesn't eat as much fuel for sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Totally worth having. Mr. Dean.

I uh I I got I got tricked into buying an M five on the last episode. Tricked? Yeah, because you said you had one and so I bought one too. I do have one. Nick said he had one and you had to buy one. Tricky that's how that worked. Oh. Okay. It tricked wisdom. It's I mean Alex and I like to convince each other to buy a helicopter is like I don't know. It's like convincing a dog to take a treat. It's not hard. Do you talk to like do you talk to Alex every day, Nick?

Uh text. I think so. Ish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Text, chat, whatever, with most of the group. It doesn't take much to convince Alex to do anything helicopter related. All right, Alex, go ahead. Sorry. We're really bad influences on each other. So we're on we're we're recording on like a Tuesday. My kit gets here on like a Thursday and I build it in like, you know, a day or something like that. But it took me longer than normal.

Because I did something I've never done before. And I shortened the servo leads I use duct tape. I shortened the I shortened my servo wires up so that I wouldn't have a bundle of wire. Oh crap. I know, I know. Except I have never felt comfortable shortening servo wires because I do not like crimping them. Like I hate it. And so I bought those RC Pro Plus solderless servo ends. And I wanted to try'em and dude, they're really pretty cool. Like

Nice. It has this little cup, you solder the lead into it, and then it slides and it's a different type of connection inside the piece of plastic too. It's a round barrel that slides into the plastic and has a really nice retaining feeling. Like

I was pulling hard on the wire going, I want to be able to jerk on these wires and how does that work? Explain for people listening. How how does how does that work?'Cause I've never heard of that. Like RC Pl Pro Plus makes those? Yeah, they make a solder list. So the the end that slides, you know, on our normal servo Mm-hmm.

Right. There is a clip, right? And you have to make sure you insert it the right direction for the clip to to come on into play. Yeah, so it latches into the plastic on this one there is a cup or a lip that goes all the way around the servo lead. Right. And so when you insert it, it doesn't matter which direction it is, it just clips in really nice. Very cool. So I'm super impressed with these. You weren't patient. What you keep going, sorry. What?

Oh I I think you just dropped the secret. I think he dropped the secret too. I think he's I think he's lying. Just keep with your story. Like you shortened the wires, keep going. Wait, wait a minute, wait a minute. Don't tease me like this, Bert. Don't hang that in front of me if it's bullshit. Oh.

I will boot you off this call right now. Anyway, it's my first experience doing that. I would recommend these are great. This is a great product. It was really pretty easy to solder the little pieces in and get it to connect in. So I like it.

Where is this picture of this sexy wiring that we have? I don't know that I even took a picture of the wiring because I'm a heli addict and I couldn't wait to go fly it. And so I can't fly my backyard, right? And uh it's it's go ahead. What what what? What? I mean you can't Jeff West a helicopter unless you post a photo of it online. stuff the wire over there, but at least they're not all bundled up, right? I didn't have to like tape it all to

'Cause I didn't want to have the bundle of wire to go, what do I do with this crap? You have to put it in the show notes. You have to put a picture in the show notes. All right, I will post a picture of my not impressive looking wiring after I worked on the water. Did you shorten your antenna leaves too and take off the little clear part at the end? Yeah. Yeah. Just didn't like those. So it's raining here over the weekend and I'm like

I'm really ready to fly this thing. It's like'cause I got it on a Thursday. I built it over the weekend. So it was it was during the week. During the week. Sorry, I'm I'm I'm losing track of time. So it's like a Tuesday and it's pouring and the rain stops for just a second. And I was like, Oh, I'm going down to the construction site by my house to fly this thing. But it's still raining. Like I I think I think I took a picture of how many raindrops, like big rain my transmitter was just soaked.

But I did maiden it in the rain'cause I was really excited. And it was a true maiden flight, like where I would land and tune it and go back Oh, in the rain. Yes. Wow. So I found out something interesting with rotor flight because I'm not black box tuning. Is it that that USB C port holds a lot of water? So With V bar, you could kinda tune the tail by just doing big funnels and turn the gain up until it vibrated and then go down from there.

But with rotor flight I had set the P gain at what I normally would and I could do big funnels and there were no vibrations ever. But I couldn't get my stops to be nice. Like the one direction of stop was fine, but the counterclockwise stops would would bounce back no matter what I did with the gains, like the stop gains or the eye gain or whatever, it didn't matter. And it was even to a point where like if I tried to do a reversal type maneuver during the flight, the tail would start jittering.

And I thought the whole time I was like it's my stop gain. It has something to do with my stop gain'cause it's not shaking when I do a big funnel. It's doing that I go back to see if I actually had zero on my blades like when I'm in setup mode.

I did that. I did that. I did that. Huh? Bew because what with with the newest version of Rotor Flight, if you land and you fold your blades like that and you just let go, the eye relax will bring the blades back to center and you can see where it is naturally. So it was my P gain all along. So it's i I'm just learning about tuning more and more as I dive down this rotor flight path, which I think will help with other things if you're tuning other radio models too.

Anyway, I thought that was kind of fun to to hunt. I'm enjoying the process way more than I thought I would of getting tuning. The M5 M5 flies great. I'm not flying mine at twenty seven hundred Bert. I'm flying mostly between twenty two hundred and twenty four hundred and it I've never had a five fifty before. This is my first one. Yeah, I mean it like I said earlier, like mine is just gear wrong. You s you you told me you had the eleven twenty K V motor, right?

Yeah. Yeah, mine's geared more for t twenty four hundred's kinda like right around eighty percent for me. Yeah, and that that's what I should have gotten. But at the time I didn't have that motor in stock, so I just grabbed whatever I had and it was a twelve hundred and Yeah, it's it's just a little much. I mean it it would be okay with a smaller pinion, but we can't get pinions yet, so yeah. Well I'm impressed, dude. It's a great machine. It is

You know, if you a 700, I didn't realize actually has a lot of intimidation factor there with it. It's very fast. It's very direct. It carries a lot more speed than this smaller model does. The the five fifty is very forgiving comparison. Well But

If you can't afford a seven hundred, dude, this is a freaking fantastic model. It's it's a lot less intimidating too. It doesn't yeah, it it's for sure. Seven hundred is really you know, there are people at my local field at torches that fly, you know, five hundreds, five fifties, even six hundreds, but refuse to get into the seven hundred uh size.

'Cause they they find'em, I don't know, intimidating, dangerous, too big. I don't I don't know. Yeah. They are. There's definitely an intimidation factor there. Oh yeah. There's something about a single pack success heli too that's really nice.

But yeah, I was flying my R S five at the field when Sean Bryan and I were all out and he was like Sean was standing behind me going, You were flying like like you completely don't give a fuck and he's right. There's something that's so not intimidating about it that you're braver with it and You know the crash cost is cheaper and you can read on it a little more and I don't know, seven hundred's accelerate. I feel like I hold deer a little more. Yeah.

Yeah, the five twenty should be fun too. I think my favorite five hundred was probably when I had the original Goblin five hundred and I flew the crap out of that thing for like a good six or seven years and loved it'cause it's just a small compact size, you know, and it's You should try that old Goblin 520. Like obviously you can get it from my main hobbies. It's it's it's really nice, dude. It just reminds me of that.

The original Yeah, it looks like it flies like that. Yeah, it flies so locked up. The original five hundred was awesome, right? The Goblet Sport five hundred. Yeah, it flies so locked in, it's crazy. It's nice. That's cool. Speaking of A main, by the way, I think A main is the only one that carries the solder servo connectors from R C Pro Plus that I found. That is where I got them.

Solder. Yeah, so those you solder the how do you solder it to the actual metal connector down there? Is it do you have to slip the wire into like a little ring shape or is it like a half circle or Mm no, I mean you you strip the wire on the servo. And you solder it to this little piece of metal.

The pen. Yeah, but it's not like the actual like the other style where the the crimp style have that little two pieces of metal that fold over. So is it made like that? It doesn't have that. There's a cup for you to put the wire in and solder to it. That's cool. That's what I was wondering. So you have to solder it. To the connector. And then insert the connector into the plastic end.

Correct. Yeah. If you try to do that with like a standard metal connector tip, it gets like a big ball of solder on it. So that's why I was wondering what they mean. situation. No need. It's just too much work. No need. No need. It was fun. I'm gonna do it again. I loved it. I like legitimately enjoyed it. I didn't think I was gonna enjoy doing it, but I did.

So and then something cool happened to me. So when you get into the hobby, I feel like do you you're watching videos or whatever, like For me, I was watching videos of Bert fly like the Blade four fifty or something at the time. Or, you know, Kyle Stacey when he was flying when he was really, really young. And then I was hooked on these videos of Pinion, the little sock puppet. Like I loved those videos. Like I would search them out.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, I didn't know that John Johnson, who was pinion, was even a Texas guy at the time. Like I had no idea that those guys were flying like Forty five minutes from me when I was in into this. But now I'm flying at that field locally. That's the Great Bond Club, the one fourteen. And I'm out there and John Johnson's there. And so I got to meet the guy that was pinion and I was like geeking out and nerding out about it. And he's kind of not been flying a lot. Like today, really?

No, this is this is a week ago. A week ago. And uh the guys were all telling them like I'm a nerd about pinion. And so I go up to fly and I got a I got a pinion video. I was like smiling ear to ear, like with this dude behind me. Okay, you gotta see that bird and he's He's narrating uh Alex's sent it to me right before the podcast and I I I didn't get a chance to watch it. I mean the best part about it.

Is it happened on Alex's birthday, which happy birthday, Alex, by the way. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, happy birthday to you. Happy birthday. Happiness celebrity moment to me when I met John. I was like, Your pinion. And I told him that I have been French pinion for Ben's tour. So

Yeah, that was that was super cool. I'm hoping uh I've heard that he might be getting back in maybe. Not trying to spread rumors, but maybe. We'll see. So last thing, I've been simming a lot, which I typically do, I like And with the FR Sky Radio, I I always plug in to the USB C plug. Have you guys used your FR Sky radio a lot for this in?

Well, you know that answer. Okay. Well if you use it a lot, that USB C cord gets pretty loose in there, dude. And it'll charge just fine, but I was losing connection to the sim. So I was like, crap, I'm gonna have to like send this thing in and ask him to fix it or glue like a connector in there that is an extender, right, so that it doesn't wiggle around. And my radio. But instead, I found the FR Sky USB SIM module.

Yeah, they have a wireless adapter, right? It's twenty dollars and you'd bind to it, it's a receiver, you plug it into USB and bind to it, and you have a wireless, like very direct connection, not a delay feeling like I fell with Bluetooth. So I got that today and it's legit, dude. It's pretty cool. Cool. Yeah. So if you're flying with FR Sky, there's there's a cool wireless sim adapter. That's free sky. Dang it, it is for the sky. Forgot.

Well that's cool. And that's all I have to say about that. Nice. Well. So are we ready to do the uh the rotor report? Not if you're gonna limp toss it like that.

And now, with all the news from inside the RC helicopter hobby, we bring you the Rota Report. Alright guys, I'll get things started this week. So OMP's electronics brand Sunny Sky. has released some new ESCs and motors suitable for their M5 and M6 helicopters. The X155 amp ESC for three to eight cells will retail for$179. Well,$179.99 or$180. And the X130 Pro for$6 to 14S.

For 309 bucks. FY, these are current US prices, but we all know with the tariff situation ongoing, prices are subject to change and maybe cheaper in non-US markets. So from now on, you know, consider any pricing that we share as a guide, not necessarily definitive. Okay. But both ESCs features you expect such as Smooth spool up, a wide variety of telemetry capabilities, etc. Notable is that they offer programming via a mobile app.

No mentioning in the ad if you need a Bluetooth module for this or if it's just kind of on board, right, natively. But also notable is that the BEC only goes up to 8.4 volts. So if you're using twelve volt servos and you're thinking, well, if twelve volt servos are your thing, you gotta look elsewhere. But who knows, I mean, maybe in the future you'll see a twelve volt option, but today it's just eight point four. But they also uh release a new motor called the Sunny Sky M forty five eighteen R.

Meant for the OMP M5 model. It's a 1100 KV motor suited for 6S applications and can be yours for the price of$229 US dollars. Go O M P. What do you guys think about that? OMP has the Android app. I don't know about the iOS, but I would assume that it's probably their Bluetooth module or ZGW Bluetooth module that would work with that.

So you need the module, it's not onboard. It's just yeah, it's just a plug in Bluetooth. So it's probably the same ones that are available now and then you would use the Sunny Sky app, it looks like. I have not seen those ESCs though, but that's how they've been going. Got

In the drone world of news, so a Swiss master's student recently set the world RC drone speed record at 346 miles per hour. Wow, pretty damn fast. Wow. That's that's crazy. Especially on a tiny little drone. It's not like it's a tiny little drone, yeah. That's like faster than a Formula One car. That's like insane.

Can you imagine that sound? That's like ten feet. That's like a like freaking commercial airliner's like speed almost. Right? Just just when you thought the gasser was the most annoying thing you'd ever heard. Yeah. Oh, but check this out though. So, you know, this still doesn't touch the RC speed record, which will likely always belong to a glider, right? Of all things. Specifically, built gliders for what's called dynamic soaring still hold the top spot at 518 miles per hour.

What have you seen? I've never seen this in person. I mean I'll watch the videos on YouTube button. Yeah, they do like slope soaring almost and they keep getting faster and faster than when they loop into the downside. You've never seen it, Bert? No, no, no. Sound of dynamic soaring is amazing. Wow. It's basically like slope soaring in the wind, but you're doing these loops in a direction that every single pass you pick up more energy.

So the glider starts at a really reasonable speed and it picks up a little bit of speed. But two miles an hour is insane. That's insane. The loops are very fast. It looks sped up, but it's not. It's insane. You gotta find videos of it. Otherwise they literally explode midair.

So the speed of sound is 767 miles an hour, if I can remember that correctly. So this is like 200 miles an hour short of that. Yes, that's crazy. Yep. It's hauling. Wow. It's terrifying. Like they all wear hard hats and like The guy with the speed gun is like in a bunker. It's you know, it'll like go through you if it hit you. Yeah. It'll mess you up. But cool stuff. Speaking of cool stuff.

D'ye ever worry you won't know how to navigate the RC Heli Hangout Facebook group? Well, have no fear,'cause they have just released their new AI assistant, Nutter Butter. I s I saw that. I don't understand what this is. This was a It's an AI assistant to a Facebook social media group. Meant to help you navigate the way. No, it's not a joke. So Are you joking right now? Uh well, in a minute. Uh I mean the second name would have been Doritos, right? Right?

So we asked Nutter how to butter our shaft properly to test his skills, and he responded that the ideal method to butter your shaft is to have Frank Martios and Chris Nutt personally hand apply the lube to your shaft to ensure it's coated evenly. So I'm not sure I'm comfy with that, but if you want some more internet advice that's worth what you paid for it, hit up But Nut over at the RC Heli Hangout and see what you can find out.

That's crazy. I want to try it, man. I have never tried it. I don't know how to talk to it or whatever. You've never tried nutter butter? Not the AI assistant, no. Okay.

OMP has also re-released the micro M one helicopter at a reduced price. However, this is not like a Mark II version. It's not like the OMP M2 Mark II. And not the Evo version. It's the original M1. They did make some updates. There's a new canopy and a more powerful tail motor. So what's cool is the new ones ship with a receiver, the uh Futaba receiver in it. So bind and fly for$169, which is a hundred ninety-nine dollars in Europe.

And you can also get it with a Radio Master Pocket. It's not the Zero, the Pocket. For two ninety nine. And the US prices again can change. So uh two twenty nine. Two twenty nine. I don't know what I said. What'd I say? two ninety nine. Well ignore that. It's two twenty nine with the radio. That's a crazy that's an amazing deal. Hundred and sixty nine dollars.

Even if it's not the Mark Two, I mean, for a lot of peop I mean, that's that's an incredible value. Yeah. I mean two hundred and twenty nine bucks with the Radio Master pocket, which you could use for another helicopter, a small micro comfortably. Yeah, that's pretty good. For two hundred and twenty nine bucks. So it's just nice that it lowers the cost of entry for people, for sure. Yeah, you can't beat that for sure. Kenny, tell us about the newest rotor flight.

We touched on this a little bit earlier. So if you're coming if you're not coming from any firmware and you're just starting, it'll still mean the same thing. But if you're coming from two point one one or two point two R C two. Wait, what the heck are you talking about, Kenny? This is the rotor flight updates for the firmware. Sorry, I did not clarify. So if you're coming from two point one one like I was or a lot of people have been flying for the past maybe month or so.

It's basically just an update and you don't have to do anything special. But at the end of the update, you're gonna wanna do your normal if you're dropping your previous files in there, you wanna do your normal sensor, you know, calibration. And then also on this firmware, it clears out your previous telemetry settings.

So there's a couple ways you can do that. You can either go back into the receiver tab and then go back on to the where the telemetry is and then check mark and turn on all the ones that you want. There's a nice new interface there now with the sliders where you s like you pick if it's ESC, you know, temperature, and there'll be three or four options there for different temperatures, and you can turn those on, or like BEC voltage. There's three or four there, you can turn those on.

So you go in there and you have to re- reinitialize all those and turn those on so that you're sending those to your transmitter and put the firmware in and you're good to go. If you're if you were coming from like 2.1 and you went to the next version that was previous to this.

you had to add in a high speed integral settings. Those are not required anymore. That's embedded into the firmware. So you'll have basically a more stable head and s fast forward flight. It's more like rock solid. You don't have to do a lot of up and down pitching like if you're going Super fast. So if you're planning on updating it's so far I've not had any issues, but if you want to wait for a full release, there may be one in a few more weeks. But that's Rotor Flight two point two R C three.

Yeah, and I was playing with that actually and it's pretty cool, like so under telemetry settings When you enable CRSF telemetry, everything is categorized and you can sort it and it's pretty cool. I don't think you have to rediscover your sensors. If if you know what to select. So it might take a little bit of play in with

What sensors to turn on and not to turn on if you don't want like And I think Nick, you tried this right. You if you even if you don't have to turn'em on there, can't you or if you turn them all on there, d can't you go back through the the new Lua and then click the little asterisk and it'll go ahead and Add all the sensors you need? So if you're using a free sky or an ethos radio.

For state. Lua that Rob Thompson has developed has a very cool thing where you can go into the status page for telemetry. And literally click a button and it will enable any telemetry sensors you need for the Lua in rotor flight for you, which is very cool. Um, but if obviously if you're on a TX sixteen S, you need to you may need to rediscover sensors if there's something that you're missing.

Yeah. For for the Actually it worked for me. I tried it and it yeah, no, it worked for me with the Radio Master T X sixteen S without having to rediscover. But you but but the the thing is finding what sensors you need to enable, right? So

Yeah. Um it's a little trickier now because some of the main ones are like your ESC telemetry, voltage, current, and your um you definitely want your arming and disarming flags. Those are the ones that basically tell your Lua that you're running that shows like what mode you're in, like if it's flight mode one, two, or three, and when it's armed or disarmed. So there's those are the important ones. And there's others you can turn on and it's not going to hurt anything if you

Add too many really. I did find it it at least on the Ethos side, it renamed a lot of telemetry sensors. So and my guess is to be compatible with with tail motor helicopters, but

It suddenly became ESC number one voltage and ESC number one current and renamed a bunch of stuff. So As confusing as all this sounds, it's actually easier now than it has been to update. You basically drop the file in there, do your dump of your previous flight configuration and then just check the sensors and you should be good.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when you when you go there and you go to telemetry sensors under battery, you got six options voltage, current, consumption, charge level, cell count, and cell voltage. If you enable all those and then under voltage still you enable BC voltage, I bet you they're all going to match what you had before. At least on the T X sixteen S, that was my experience. But again This stuff ch this stuff can be different from person to person, right? It's not a good thing.

you know, an actual telemetry function that's gonna be read than it wouldn't anyway. So it wouldn't hurt it. Yeah. Moral of the story, rotor flight is a journey. As Rutterflight continues to improve, you just run into things like this you have to learn and figure out what's changed with all these new releases. Well, speaking of flabberless updates.

The new V-Bar Evo 8 system was recently tested by a very good friend from Abu Dhabi, the man himself, Tarek Al-Sai. He, along with the owner of Mikado, Ralph, and the head of development, software development, Uli, they basically flew over to Dubai and allowed Tarek to test a new V8. And Turek mentioned that they tested the stuff under many different conditions, inside and outside the city, and Turek seemed to be pretty pleased with how the system had been improved.

He says it's way faster, is more locked in, has better signal, better performance. He was very, very stoked and happy with it. And so that's that's really good news for for those those of you guys waiting for the update on the Evo. Who's gonna try the Evo? Silence. I mean does no one here have one anymore? I don't even have one. I I would love to try it, but I just

I don't know if I want a fifteen hundred dollar love to try it. I know. I know. I know. That's my problem. I know. In an amazing world, if they had like a media sample they would send out and let all of us like pass it around, that would be great. But uh I don't know. I don't know if I'm gonna try it. We really wanna I will say we really wanna have some people on the show that have tried it.

And the second some pro pilots are are given the green light to talk about it, we'll have'em on. We really wanna share what the experience is like and and how it works and and do a bunch of coverage on it. But I don't know why. I know Kyle's been testing it and you know, I talk to Kyle very often, almost every other day, and you know, he's pretty tight lipped, but even with me, but he actually likes it. He's just said nothing negative about it. He says it's pretty cool.

He he says that he can find the pros and cons between the Mikado V eight and rotor flight, right? So he likes some things about one more than the other and more some things about the other more than the one. So yeah, I don't know, you know, to each their own. I think

The ecosystem still I I maintain to this day, V bar has the best ecosystem on the market, period. Um They also have the nicest screen on any transmitter. Yeah, if you don't wanna mess with stuff and have to keep up with You know, update

every, you know, seventy two hours. You know, it's sad. They're not really mandatory, but everybody does them'cause they want to see what's new. I know. And you're and you don't have a problem spending like twenty seven hundred dollars for about five units and a radio, Mikado is is It's the way to go. No no doubt about it. Hands down. Yeah. Yeah. Hundred percent. If you're if ease of use is your thing, you want that Apple experience, it's the way to go.

Absolutely. And that's the best way to put it. And I and I've always said that like Apple versus Android, right? It Android gives you all these options so it makes it very versatile, but it's a pain in the butt to some degree. Whereas Apple is pretty closed in, but it's easy to use, then what you see is what you get and You turn it on, you spend about twenty minutes and you're good to go, right? So yeah, it

I I'm excited. I I really want to try it, even if it's not my own. I wanna fly Kyle's machine next time I see him. I should have flown it in Virginia but uh but I had to leave early so I I missed out. I I wish I would have been there Saturday'cause he had it there. But anyway. Does he have an actual copy of V eight then that he's got? Not just the new gimbal? Yeah, he's fine the V eight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been flying it for like a couple of months.

So so another news, the Tron helicopters is about to release the Dynamic Pro. So it's available for pre order right now. This is an upgraded version of the popular lightweight seven hundred. And it has some cool new features and updates. So this one comes with a herringbone main gear with a matching 12-tooth pinion. Pretty much similar gear to what you can find in the 7.0 Advanced. So it makes it quieter and uh more efficient. Transmission pretty much.

This one also comes with the supersonic mounts, which are the transversion of the quick release canopy mounts. And these supersonic mounts are included in the kit for all posts on the canopy. So all front. Yeah, two front and two rear. So no more grommets to mess with, which is kinda cool. Also comes with a different uh couple of different paint schemes. They have a yellow and an orange and they're very high visibility. They're gloss finish instead of the original matte colors, right?

And and it's a matching boom. So either yellow or or orange boom. And also a painted tail fin. So it's a very, very highly redundant, highly visible um model for sure. And also has an updated main shaft support with the four bearings, two up two up top and two down below, just like the the Bird Camera Edition uh Nitro helicopter. So basically more support for the main shaft.

So, you know, the bearings last longer, run smoother. Just a good overall update there. They're expected the kids to arrive sometime in May. There's no definitive date due to the tariffs. But it looks like they're gonna retail for about nine hundred and seventy dollars pre-tariff. After the tariffs about twenty four ninety-nine ninety-nine Oh that's not funny, but it is No, I'm just kidding. Just dynamic dynamic pricing. Dynamic pricing. Yeah, it is my friend.

Uh no the new print looks awesome too. No, it looks like nine hundred and seventy dollars. So yeah. The new paint does look really good. Yeah, it's super cool, man. I saw Kevin McGrady's at the Spring Fling and it I got to fly it and it it's so visible, super bright, really nice. I like it. Tron Nitron ninety out with the new painted boom on it, the orange painted boom. And man, that thing was bright. Looks great. Dude, you still haven't flown your Nitron ninety, have you? You haven't built it.

I mean you can't fly put it in the corner. What's in a box still? I'll buy it from you, dude. I need one. No, I need to build it. I'd like I have no nitros in my life right now. I need to bear one. I need a spare one. I need a spare one. Sell it to me. It's no, you can't have it. I'm excited for it. I have just

Life has just been kicking my butt, so I haven't built it. Uh I don't know how you do it, dude. You travel like a maniac, man. I remember my traveling days is crazy. I just don't want to build a nitro on the road. Like I feel like nitros need to be built at home, so that's been the challenge. I agree. I agree. Too much stuff to carry with you to build that away. For sure.

So Kenny Co. has a new governor sensor coming to the market. It's a Hall Effect Governor sensor for Nitro. It says it's a high precision Hall Effect Governor sensor capable with the most gyro with most gyrosystems on the market. Features a built in LED indicator that lights up

when a magnet is detected. So basically you spin it, you know, you can see the light flash each time the magnet passes by to know it's working. It makes it, you know, installation and signal verification much easier for users. The intuitive design enhances both convenience and setup efficiency.

No, it's just the regular side mounted Hall effect sensor for your magnet. And it does look like in his pictures he has like an a metal or a some kind of uh rendering basically of a mount for it too. May not be exactly what he had in the videos. I like that LED idea. That's awesome. You know how many times we have to like You know, i if with troubleshooting stuff like

You have to go in the system and see if it's reading the freaking magnet. Maybe you're trying to see if it's picking up. Yeah, that's pretty cool that you could just see it. Okay. So it's not it's not the sensor, it's not the magnet, it's not you know, that's cool. I like that. That's pretty badass. Yeah, it's good stuff.

All right, next up, our friends at SXC, who we've had on the show in the past, in partnership with SAB, have released A new three-bladed version of the KSC edition of the Ilgoblin Pro in their vibrant Miami scheme, which is a really nice. pink, blue, and white look and they're calling this the Triamy edition. in relation to its three blade goodness.

Uh it's the same pink, blue, and white scheme as on the SXC two-bladed Miami edition of the Ilgoblin Pro. It in a similar fashion features all the upgrades available for that airframe, including the tensioner pulley, the upgraded slider, the bell crank lever, the speed up tail pulley, the three bladed tail, main and main rotor head, white skid pipes, SAB server horns are included, swashplate leveler, uh pink blades are included.

The scheme so I had a chance to see the Miami scheme for the first time in person the other day and it is in the sky, I don't know that there's there's many more schemes more visible. It's, you know, on par with the orange in terms of how easy it is to see, so Supervisible in the air. It's currently only available at Heli Direct for$13.76 for pre-order, with kits expected to ship at some point in late May, but again, tariffs may shift some of that.

Uh a full rotor flight tune preset will be available from the SXC team for download for free from the SXC Discord channel. And this download is also available for free to anyone, whether they purchase the kit or not. And however, that tune probably won't come out until the kits ship. So look for that in the future if that's something that interests you, whether it's the model or just uh the free tune.

So Enzo Albertoni has hit us up some share some details about the new nitro fuel coming to the US market. Nitroux. Nitro lux. Nitro Litro Nitro luxo. Natural look. It's a luxury nitrate. Yeah, Helifuel will be selling twenty-five and thirty percent nitro fuels. So they are dyed blue for great visibility. It does have a twenty percent full synthetic oil content across both. types which they claim means there's no need to clean your engine out.

quite as often for peak power. So to lean your engine out. No need to lean it. Lean. Lean. Thank you. Thank you. You know what I think about with s the synthetic fuel thing is I'll get into after I read the information here in front of me. How about that? This comes in a five-liter jug, which is about 1.3 gallons. Twenty five percent is expected to cost fifty three dollars, fifty two ninety nine, thirty percent, fifty five ninety nine. Oh.

But that's the gallon in the market. Get a little over a gallon at least, I guess. One and a third. They will be available to purchase at Breach Beach. At Beach. Man, I'm not good at reading today. It breach at Beach R C Hobbies in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. So if you want to look at a bulk order or become a dealer, hit up the owner, Brent B-R-E-N-T at Beach B-E-A-C-H-R-C dot com.

So the full synthetic oil thing, hold on, hold on. I'm sorry. Have a thought. Does that is that like what we see with VP where it doesn't necessarily corrode the bearings as quickly and stuff like that as what some of the other Most of them are a hundred percent full synthetic, so it's weird. Is it using like a bunch of caster or what are they doing?

It depends on so it's not about the oil being synthetic or not. And I can tell you about this'cause I worked very close with Byron Fuels and you're around that time in the hobby, Kenny, weren't you? Yeah. I just use PAG oil usually but it's full. Yeah. Barnfield's used uh a special oil package formulated by clotts, right?

clotz oils and you know, e everybody that knows clots, they know they know what that is. But um it's not about the fact that it's synthetic, it's is the quality of the oil and how it is formulated for for for these engines. So it it There's no telling how this feels gonna run. I'm assuming, you know, I assume it's gonna run great. That's one of the things that people loved about

Rotor not rotor ra yeah, rotor rage. Rotor Rage. Yeah. Rotorage. It's it's hard to even pronounce it nowadays'cause it's been so long, but Rotor Rage Fuels from uh Bar and Fuel's dead. You know, it had an incredible oil package. So you could get super long lasting bearings and and everything else and and hopefully this will be

You know, just as good, right? So it it's hard to find nitro nowadays. It it's it's a challenge for a lot of people. So that's why people are using V P like Maninito, my friend here from Central Florida. He he makes his own fuel with VP, right? And and'cause it it's it it's hard to find it's it's really hard to find night. So Yeah, with the p white people are with nitro, really some people are too picky. They almost need like

quarter gallon samples of this so people can get a few tanks through and see how it does for'em, you know? True. And you know it's it's it's funny though that this was in the news when I read this earlier because I know Brent very well from Beach R C, Brent Danceford. We hang out together. We went to one of our friends' friends' weddings.

in Savannah, Georgia. I've known Brent for I don't know, fifteen years. Brent used to sell BK servos when BK servos were big because it's really, really big into the RC car market. And for a while we try to penetrate that market. Very difficult market. But I know Brent well, so I'm gonna hit him up. This is cool. It's very interesting. So BRC and Myrtle Beat. Yeah. I've been to his hobby shop. Used to have a a racetrack right there for one tenth scale buggies and stuff. Yeah. Really cool.

If you've shaf shaft and penetrate in one episode now, this is it's getting up there. In oil. So there's a new podcast in town. Friends from across the pond. RC helicopter Richard, Rob Turnbull, Richard Van Aken, and George Isaacs are releasing a new show called The Hooked On Hellies. Hooked on Helli. Now we just have a for now we only have a one minute uh what minute long t shirt?

But uh look look out for the first episode to come in the near future. So we're looking forward to to hearing the perspective of another helicopter region and getting to know a whole new group of peop people and pilots. So best of luck to you guys. And we're looking forward to having another show to listen to. For sure. Awesome. Yeah. I'm excited for those guys. I reached out to them

The other day it said, Hey man, if you need anything, any questions, you know, anything we can do to help, let us know. So excited to to hear what they they have to offer. And I gotta say from their teaser, I'm expecting big things. So looking forward to it. Nice. Yeah. Hook going. Uh Richard, Rob. And Richard Yeah, listen to these guys'cause they they got their shit together. Yeah. Uh and Keep your hands off Rob Bingham, he's all ours.

Rop yeah. I mean rotor revolution, yeah, rotor revolution is uh without a doubt setting a standard when it comes to Content, audio quality, consistency. I mean, you guys kill it every time. So it's a lot of fun. We love it. It is good fun. Yep. And thank you. Kenny, what you got?

So popular flight simulator Heli X has released version eleven of their software. Current users can download the update for free and new users wanting to try the software can download it for free for a limited version to give it a try. And I think that's If it's like previous, you just get a few minutes to give it a try. But you can reset that until you decide to buy it. And rather than us telling you about all the new features, let's throw it to another rotary.

For this week's rotor replay, we're going to point you all to another great video from RC helicopter Richard. This one covers in depth all the details about what's new in Heli X eleven. So head on over to Richard's YouTube channel. We'll put a link in the show notes and listen to Richard do a far better job than we can describing what's new.

It's actually pretty cool. I watched this also. Good information. Yeah. Hell EX is awesome. It's a really cool it's it's the best flight sim for doing F three C precision flying and practice. I love it. And great if you have a Mac as well. Yeah, we're doing it. For sure.

But wait, there's more. This week we've got a double feature for Roto Replay. And for the second one, we'll throw it to our guest host this week, Mr. Burke Cameron. What you got? Thank you, Nick. So this is hilarious, but we couldn't make it happen. So Alex, I'm sure he sent it to you all. Alex sent me this video and we could not use it because we got deleted.

But this video was amazing. So this guy had an issue with the wind. Okay. And it's wait, wait. I'm not trying to mock this dude. Listen, in all seriousness. It was funny because how much he bitched about the wind. So we thought it was really funny. But what I found really insp inspirational about this guy is that as much as he hated the wind,

And he couldn't control his c helicopter in the wind. He just kept flying and trying, right? So anyway, we cannot show you this video. I apologize. The video's been deleted for some reason unknown to us. But Since we had kind of committed to doing a second video for the rotor replay. I figure that I bring up this video to your attention. So this is a video that Bobby Watts produced and edited. It it was his idea, his creation.

And uh it's an oldie though. It's uh this video was was was yeah yeah, it was taken in twenty seventeen at the Orlando Helicopter Blowout. It was the tenth year anniversary of the blowout, so last year we did the blowout. But the reason why I feel like this video is worth mentioning on the road to replay is because it goes very well with your last episode where you talked about why you do this or how you or I forgot the

the the actual literate name of the episode you had, but you know, why do you do what you do or why do you love what you love? And and you had Y you discussed how y you know, it's sometimes especially you Kenny, I remember you made a comment about how difficult it is to to really get your friend that is not into the hobby or your neighbor or your cousin to understand, right? Mm-hmm. Well, I just don't get it. Yeah, they don't get it. So this video Shows some really cool scenes.

about helicopters and and a lot of different perspectives from people as to explaining why we we we love, you know, the hobby the way we do. So it it it perhaps could give those people a better perspective. About our hobby. So if you're listening and you find this video, share it with your friend, share it with your neighbor, share it with your cousin, share it with your

I don't know, uncle, whatever, and just spread the word. It just just to help us grow the hobby. I mean Share it on the pages, I guess, huh? Yeah. So you can find this video on YouTube. I'm sure you'll put it in the in the show notes. But you can uh simply like go to YouTube and and search for addicted to RC helicopters question mark. We have the answers. That's that's what you need to search for and you'll find it. But we'll put we'll put it on the show notes.

It's a really cool video. It really summarizes why we do what we do. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. We'll throw it on our Facebook.

Guys before we get into the news I have a r I have a rotor rage. You do? The news. We already did the news. The events. He means the event news. Guys, before we get into the events, I have a rotor rage. And this I'm sure we've seen this before, but if you're sponsored pilot, particularly if you're sponsored by a Specific manufacturer, and someone comes to you and says, What do you think about this? and asks you.

about another brand and you start bashing that brand and talking bad about them and making them want to go question what other people have to say. That just that's really just not good for the entire hobby. So wait, wait, wait. Who did this? I don't I'm not I'm not using names here. I'm not using names. But if you I'm I'm really just asking for you guys who are on manufacturer teams, even us on hobby teams.

I you you we us talking negative about another group or another manufacturer is not good for the hobby in general. So Yeah. Just right. Let's be positive for each other and build the hobby up instead of talking trash about someone else's product. It probably is still a great product. And don't be that guy that goes to a fun fly, buys tickets, and wins the product of a competitor if you're a sponsor pilot. Don't be that.

That's very uncool. Oh yeah. Just give it back. Give it away. Let somebody know. I believe if you're on a manufacturer team or something like that and you win something that you know you can't fly, there's that sucks. Yeah. All right. With that out of your system, let's do event news.

Event news, I will start us off here. So Heli X, the other Helix, or the Heli Extravaganza, as we call it. Twenty twenty five dates are up. So the event will take place August twenty eighth through the thirty first at the amazing Triple Tree Aerodone. in Woodruff, South Carolina. The facility is massive and features multiple locations to fly outside of its very large main flight line. The event will feature the traditional sliding auto contest, which I won't speak about. Yeah.

That's fine. This is another place where we're skipping. So whatever. Yeah, that's not connected. It'd be the most impressive. Why? You should do it, but it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. It's so much fun. I love it. It is a lot of fun. It is Yeah, that's a lot of things. And it was like the worst idea in the world. You need a heavy pig idea. No, you need a heavy pig. I was thinking, oh I can float it, it's light. No, you can't. You need a heavy ass pig and just let it just let it rip.

Yeah, it's fun. But you know what? They gotta change the rules of the auto contest because folks are like screaming and clicking the damn hole button like ten feet off the ground. You should do that a hundred feet up. I don't I don't like it when they do it like that. I I agree. I agree.

I no, I agree with that. I agree. You have to hit it at a certain point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So whatever. We'll we'll we'll we'll worry about that down in September. But anyway. But but they have night flying as well, right? And so there's there's five flight stations on the main line. I mean even mills, right? So at a reasonable additional cost with your pre-registration, you can get your mill tickets. It's also the best event to camp at.

So whether you have a a palace owned will or even a tent, it's great, right? The the the location features a massive bathhouse. with with loads of of proper showers and bathrooms, hookups for RVs and campers. I think there's an additional daily fee for that. But it's really one of the the more premier event locations in the United States. And the crew that puts it. This on always does a fantastic job. So I mean also draws tons of pro pilots there.

So it's always fun to watch those guys and come out and uh and and h hit their input and take on things. Very supportive folks out there. So All the info that you need to figure out and go and pre-register for this thing, go check out their website at www.helix. And I think that's uh H-E-L-I-E-X dot org. It is a fantastic event. It really is. It really is. So you guess will have to go to this event. How about that? Yes. Yes. I I made it last year. Yeah. We I missed it last year.

Nick, you were there, right? And Brown. No, I missed last year. I was there. But you were there the year before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, briefly. Yeah. This year I'm torn because it's either Urcha or Heli X and I can't decide which. I'm leaning Helix though. Both. Both. Both. I can't do both. And stay married. Stay merit. I think it'll be hell yeah.

Yeah. So the tenth annual Western Canada Heli Funfly is on August first through the fourth, not far from Kamloops, British Columbia. The event is a MAAC sanctioned and membership will be required. So Darren, no fun fly for you. Details on the flyer are sparse, but from but they're but you can uh hit them up it via email at barsbellus.net. That's t-e-l-us.net for more info. Nice. Canadians. Cool. And I don't know if we mentioned this one, but if if so, just another reminder, so Nats.

It's upon us, right? Our nationals competition up in Munti, Indiana. I registered today to fly in the expert class of precision flying and saw Um a lot others have signed up as well, not necessarily for expert, but the other classes that Nat has to offer. I think sports been through, FAI, F three C. This year's Nat will not run up against or into the Urcha timeline like it's done in the past, due to our worlds event in Romania, which shares the Urcha date

I'm starting in early August. So so we've moved the Nats up a bit to July seventh to July ninth. And and we basically do that so Yeah, you guys can come out and do that. And and some of the pilots that are participating in Worlds use this as kind of a practice round for them. So they'll be able to do that early in July as we

Go to Worlds down in uh beginning of August. So show off your precision flying skills, you know. All classes are welcome again from sportsmen to FAI F3C. It's a lot of fun. There's plenty of help and support. If you want to give it a shot, go to the website. It's Nats N A T S.modelaircraft dot org. So it's the AMA site with the subdomain of NATS. So Nats.modelaircraft.

dot org to register. Me along with others look forward to seeing you guys there. So please sign up and let's have a good time. It's fun, fun, fun. Nice. Awesome.

So I'm doing a seamless blog. It's not like I can benefit from this in any way, shape, or form, but I like to support my club. And the torches winter bash dates have been set. I know it's early. It's only uh April but or May, but It's gonna be December twelfth. Through the fourteenth. Oh it's late.

No, it's perfect it it the problem with the winter bash and and the old Orlando blowout is that, you know, the dates have to change because, you know, Thanksgiving is the the last Thursday in in November. Yeah. So so uh Somet yeah, sometimes the day the the the d we try not to get too close to Thanksgiving, right? And and we also don't want to get too close to Christmas. So it's two weeks after Thanksgiving, two weeks before Christmas. So December twelfth through the fourteenth.

in Okoy, Florida, right outside Orlando, pretty much greater Orlando area. And uh yeah, so uh make plans for that. Pre registrations will open probably in the next month or two. So just throwing the dates out there. I know it's some people like to come down to Florida and hang with the family and go to Disney like Alex Dean. So uh love that. Yeah. This is a He loves Disney. Yeah, start playing. I love that my wife goes to Disney so I can go to a fun fly. Awesome.

Yeah, you know, real quick, last last winter bash was my first and Bert I had a blast, man. It was fun. A lot of fun. It's cool, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It you should have seen the blowout, man. That was so much fun. But now I feel like it's more intimate and more fun. Is it smaller? But so going back to the rotor replay, like that video I mentioned that Bobby produced.

Was at the Orlando helicopter blowout. And for the listeners that watch the video, you can see how busy it was. The hobby was Starting to decline, but still quite at the peak, right? Twenty seventeen. Yeah, I think at the peak of the blowout we had three hundred and twenty seven registered pilots.

It's a big event. So winner batches, nothing like that. It was probably a hundred last year, but still a lot of fun. A lot of fun. Yeah. So ton of fun. Yeah, for sure. How's how's the field? Has it recovered from all the Storm ranch storage nice now. We fly on the north field and we don't have to destroy our helys like Alex did. Yeah, yeah, it's all good. Awesome. And for those that don't know, Alex decided to fly his nitrile in this

Can't even describe it. Like third, like I got dirt in the carb and I ended up having to rebuild that engine by the way. This is Kyle Stacey and you're listening to a Nitro Fly in the Background.

Cool, are you guys ready to get get it going with the main topic? Yeah. We're only two hours and eight minutes in. I know. We'll make it brief then. What? Serval myths, truth, and marketing how. Yeah, I I gotta say, when when I heard you were coming on Bert and we worked it out It's like, man, I have all these questions I want to ask people smarter than me about servos. Um I'm not smarter than you, dude. I might have more experience with heli's, but you're a pretty smart dude. I'm sorry.

So well yeah, but I've never designed my own servo. I've never f I have not flown as many brands of servos as you had to compare them, so marketing height makes me think of like sixty C and eighty C servos. Who's running those? You know? That's right, your marketing hype. Yeah. You just save those for your old man three D there, Kenny.

I gotta say, I'll I'll kick us off here. Uh my biggest question,'cause I don't know the answer. I've just been doing this'cause I like the idea of lower current draw. Are twelve volt servos worth it? Yes. Yeah, they Yeah, they make me feel good. Yeah. Make you feel good. No sufficient. You know, I'm pretty torn about this, right? I I think yes and no. I think it depends on really it really depends on how you look at it.

So I I I have a pretty stern opinion about all this stuff with servos and voltage and hertz and all that this kind of stuff. So is it needed? Absolutely not. Can you feel it? Maybe. I mean, I I don't know. I mean, i is it better to go with high voltage? Yes, I think it is. It makes sense for a million reasons. I mean, y y it's no different than back in the day we're flying the first electric machines

you know, with ten, you know, logo ten, which is the equivalent to like a logo six hundred or five fifty, we were flying with like ten nickel metal hydrate batteries, right? So and then that became a ten cell lipo. So of course You know, it it it's uh uh the higher voltage It's more efficient. You consume a little bit less current.

It just it just makes sense to go that route. Is it needed? Is it necessary? Can you tell the difference? I could debate. I I don't know. I could argue that most people will not. Don't you agree? Yeah, there was a much larger step from like five point eight volt to like eight point four, but this is not gonna be as noticeable, I don't think. Yeah, I think that I agree.

You're see what you're really seeing is you get the same performance of your eight volt servo with less amp draw is all you're getting, right? Pretty much. Yeah. It's just gonna be more efficient. But but don't forget. Are you getting more torque out of'em? Are they not more torquey, are they? No. But it depends on the brand too, right? But but also think about this.

The more you increase the vo the when you increase the voltage, you're also increasing the current. So the myth that the higher the voltage, the lower the current, it's not necessarily true. To some degree, proportionally The current will be lower. Okay. But when you look at the baseline of how much current you're using on eight volts. versus how much current you're using on 12, you're going to use more on 12, without a doubt. Is it significant? Probably not.

I haven't really done enough testing back and forth and and document it. servo current consumption eight, say eight volts or eight point four versus twelve or twelve point two or whatever, but for twelve point six or twelve whatever it is, what is it? Nominal for uh maximum twelve point six would be a fully chart.

Three cell lipo. I I haven't done that direct comparison, but I can tell you that the current is not lower at twelve point six or twelve, let's say twelve, than it is at eight. It's just not. But it's more efficient, right? The the the current might be the same, might be slightly higher by by a f tiny little percentage, but the servers are running happier, they're more efficient.

And it takes i it it it's easier on also on the BECs, right? Because these ESCs don't have to regulate the voltage. They don't have to step it down as far as far. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Correct. Yeah. So but in terms of are they worth it? That was the question.

That that's a that's a tricky question. I I feel like that's in the eye of the beholder. I I have helicopters with twelve volt servos, canico twelve volts, and I have helicopters with eight volitional, you know, high voltage, eight volts, whatever servos. I cannot tell the difference. Now, I'm not a great pilot by any means. I probably used to be fifteen years ago, but I I mean I'm I'm a good pilot. I'm not you know, I c I c I'm not gonna say I I suck'cause I don't.

But I'm not at that super high level of like you know, MCK or like Vava or or C D or Stacey or somebody like that to be able to tell you, oh yeah, when I fly my old Goblin Pro with twelve volt servos like, hell yeah, it's uh I I can't I really can't tell. Not to that degree. But you're also saying if if there's someone out there who has a eight volt system and they're happy with it.

And they're on the fence like do I need new servos? Yeah, and I mean listen, I I you know, I own a hobby shop. I love for people to come to my hobby shop and buy twelve volt servos, but I have to be honest and I'm a terrible salesman. I don't think that I if if you have eight volt service and you're happy with them, I don't think you have to spend the money.

Period. It I I just think is stupid. Now If you're going for a new build and you're getting a nice machine, you're getting a you know, try Miami edition from Heli Direct or you're getting, you know, whatever I I don't know. The the you know, a new Kenny you know, World Champion Edition XL Power or the new burrito supreme from Tron that's coming out in three months.

then maybe y you know, it would make sense, right, to get the twelve volt service because why not? It it it's only well, they're generally uh I don't know, a few bucks more. And you get the latest and greatest and it makes sense to have something that is new and and innovative and it keep up with the trends and the market.

But in terms of like upgrading because you feel like this is gonna make a big difference in your flying, I again I I probably I I'm probably a bat salesman, but I don't think it's neat I don't think it's necessary. I think only only place. I think the only place you would actually maybe feel it to me would be like in a 500 size heli where you're using minis or something where it might actually boost.

the performance maybe of a mini size servo that you're using on a larger swash or something. That's the only place I could really think that would work. I could see what you're saying there. Yeah. But like Nick said earlier, you can't get them like nobody makes them waiting for this yet. Yeah. Yeah. C has some 12 volt minis, right? Yeah. Torque has 12 volt minis, but not for the tail. Only in cycle

Oh okay, cool. I didn't know that. Which that's when I have my RS five is running all twelve volt servos in a five fifty. And Kenny to your point, I can't say I've noticed the difference in that either. Yeah, so you can't see it. The other uh pro to twelve volt sir volt servos is that if you release the magic smoke then you can have a good effect, yes. I mean it's it you know it

Listen, it's uh it's like the hype back in the day when Futaba was the only flabberless unit capable of seven uh seven sixty, right? uh seven uh sixty center pulse width and everybody wanted to go and jump into the baden wagon because You know, they they said y you know, everybody thought that, you know, it was so much more responsive and this and that. It's kinda like that. Is there a difference? Yes. Is it noticeable? Ah it Uh relative, right? I

I promise that probably 95% of people won't notice it, not necessarily because of the piloting skills, but because of a lot of different reasons, right? The the platform they're running, the uh there's just so many variables. that play a role in this. So I I think honestly in over the years what I've noticed more on servos is not always the speed is the torque. Like sometimes I just have like maybe a three hundred ounce inch or something and I throw like a

five or six hundred ounce inch, like a k M K S or something. Then I noticed that more than the actual transit speed. That's a good point. That's a good point. You didn't like you can feel it like SAB released a way back in the day. When they released the Goblin 380, the original Goblin 380, then Enrico, one of the owners, designer of the Goblin, decided to do the 420, right? And the 420 was basically a four a a three eighty stretch.

But the longer blades, longer boom, you know, longer tail push rot, tail belt, blah, blah, blah. and it was still running on on mini servos, but micro, micro servos. And the micro servos at that time really sucked. They were I mean, it there were nothing like they are today. And you could stall them. So torque is important. Like if you would just do a big loop.

and just pull hard on the elevator and push the collective real hard into the positive side or whatever. When you got to the top and you were coming around the loop, you could feel the helicopter just Like giving up. Like no response. Like, hello, I'm just stuck here, you know? Yeah, I felt that on that size helicopter. Yeah, and you had to like relax the collective to be able to get the cyclic.

the elevator to respond to make the thing come around and and and exit the loop or else you're just continuing to go the other way. So I mean, yes, torque is important and I think you're right, Kenny. I think torque it makes a difference with torque. But I think nowadays with the the the h the the traditional quote unquote high voltage servos

Yeah, you know, whether it is like Torque or KST or or the new you know, the the the what do you call it? Uh e you know, all the high end, like expert and MKSpert Protocol. Yeah, they they're all good servos. Like I I d I don't know that there is a significant Th I don't think the difference is significant enough to like Say, Oh yes, you need to upgrade. Again, if you're going with a new machine, why not? I I I would, you know, it makes sense, doesn't it? But

If you're just like if you're happy with what you have and you have something relatively new, I don't think there's a need to upgrade. So I'm with you. I couldn't agree more. I think if you have if your ESC's B E C stops at eight point four volts

There's no need just'cause you want to try twelve volt servos to buy a brand new ESC and at all that cost. But if you're buying new electronics anyway, I think it makes a lot of sense. But absolutely. Agreed. Agreed. Because remember you have the limitation. of the rest of your helicopter, your flabberless unit

your your your speed controller, right? So if you have like say like a Hobby Wing 200, right? Which was an amazing speed controller, I still have a couple out there. They work exceptionally well. They have great governor features. Soft start, uh I mean, they're great. They're reliable, they run cool, they're just just amazing ESEs. They only handle eight point four. So You know... It why would you up y you know, spent

you know, whatever a new two hundred sixty ESC, for example, I'm I'm speaking, you know, Hobby Wang. It could be anything, but why would you get rid of that two hundred Hobby Wang and get a two sixty just so that you could do twelve, right? Just makes no sense to me. It yeah. Yeah. When it works perfectly well. Yeah, correct. Absolutely. So and so that that ties into the pros and cons because I feel like the pros for when it comes to twelve volt

It y you know, it's more efficient. It's the latest and greatest. You're using less current. And obviously, since the servers can't handle higher voltages, they they're gonna use slightly less current. And and again, that's debatable, right? It would have to be seen in on a graph, but I think that proportionally they'll use less current. You're gonna get a little bit faster response, a little bit more torque.

But again, this this is relative because this varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. So like a torque twelve volt might behave differently than a Data twelve volt, you know, it it it doesn't there's really no rhyme or reason or you know, it has a lot to do with the way the the the serbo itself is designed. Right. And then when it comes to the cons is like, yeah, they're more expensive for the most part, not just the servos themselves.

But the fact that you need the entire system. You so you need an ESC, you need a flabberless unit. So if you have an icon from back in the day, you know, they only handle eight point four. So you You know, you you plug in a brand new so you go on you buy a brand new ESC at two hundred sixty amp.

Hobby Wing, latest and greatest, can handle twelve volts. You plug it into your icon system or whatever, and you set the B E C voltage from the Hobby Wing at twelve point whatever volts, you're gonna fry your icon, right? So So you you need all those key components and and again like like you were saying, Nick, if if If it's a brand new build and you don't have anything and you're starting from scratch.

And you're just buying everything brand new, yeah. Get the Hobby Wing two sixty, get either the Torque or the Kenny Co. high voltage, get the get the G you know, I don't know, a rotor flight, you know, the Nexus or the whatever the fly drive what whatever you can get that can handle twelve volts or the new the new V bar Evo can handle twelve volts and and then run twelve volts. Why not? Like it makes sense.

You know, if you have an old, you know, again, Hobby Wing 200 or 160 or one of those that were amazing ESEs and an icon, and that's why you want to fly, and you're tearing down your old T Rex. seven hundred and building a uh I don't know a specter, yeah, don't uh it's not worth it. Just stick to what you have, right? I don't know. Yeah. That's how I see it.

No, I agree. And I think if you're buying a new ESC it makes sense to buy one that the BEC can go up to twelve volts, even if you don't plan to for a long time. Agreed. Agreed. It's kind of future proof yourself. And it's hard to buy one that can't at this point, but they're out there.

Yeah, I grew up. So while we're on the subject of speed and torque, and you mentioned this already and what you had to say in the the hype of like seven sixty. Oh. We've done a does is there an advantage to running your servos at seven sixty center pole? Yes, and no. So seven seven sixty on Futaba increased the refresh rate to I think two hundred and thirty or two hundred and eighty, was it?

So something like that? Yeah, it was it was pretty slow. I forgot what it was. It was like in a two something, two sixty hertz. So so the myth about seven sixty Yeah, and you guys know this, but just to explain it for the listeners that don't really understand this, uh it it the only reason why people w enjoy flying or prefer to fly at seven sixty hertz.

as the center pulse width is because running your servos at seven hundred and sixty uh microseconds for center pulse gives you the ability to increase your hertz And Hertz is what what defines how many instructions per second your servo is receiving. So it gives your servo servo a faster response overall, right? And it makes you feel more connected to the helicopter. You know, the old digital servers back in the day when I started flying were f were running at fifty hertz. Fifty, okay?

And then I feel like two hundred to two hundred hertz. became kind of the standard back in the Spartan days and the icon, but early early icon and and and brain days and and and and even the uh the V Bar Neo days, I think a hundred and forty to I don't know, one hundred and forty to two hundred, whatever. I don't I don't know exactly, but it was pretty low. And so when Futaba

announced th their their flabberless unit that was capable of running seven sixty. What it did is it it allowed people to up the Hertz up to two hundred sixty. So the servo is getting more instructions for s per second, so it it's more responsive and you feel more connected to the machine. So the only reason why you want to run seven sixty with the

technically speaking is seven hundred and fifty microseconds, not seven sixty, but we say seven sixty. It's because you can up the Hertz. Now, what is really important about that is that the Hertz rate Is not something that you set up on the servo. So first you got to make sure the servo can handle 760 microseconds of center pulse width. That is something that you program the servo to do. So when the servo sees the signal from the receiver or the flabberless unit,

It's looking for seven sixty as its center point, right? And then the lowest could be, I don't know, three hundred, whatever it is. I don't remember right off the top of my head. Around three fifty and the highs could be like eleven hundred or what whatever it works out to be. So it moves to one side and the other.

You have to program that into the servo. Now the Hertz rate is what you're able to increase. I think with fifteen, fifteen twenty center pulse, the highest hertz you can go to is about On average. Three thirty three, correct. Yeah, yeah. So when you go to seven sixty, then you can go up to uh you know, four, four fifty, five hundred You know, six, seven, eight hundred, up to a thousand, depending on the flavorless unit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Actually with the the V bar Evo you can tell it a thousand on the tail at seven sixty. Correct. And with I think with rotor flight you can go a thousand across the board and cyclic and tail. Yeah. Yeah. I'm running mine at eight hundred right now.

That's insane, dude. You're freaking I'm kinda we'll get into this. We're gonna ask this question also, but I'm kind of doing a test. Like I wanna know is this affecting the lifespan of the servo? So So you do lose a little bit of resolution when you go down to seven sixty because think about it, like you have less step. Right. Yeah, it's a narrower band instead of eight fifteen twenty is a wider band. You're losing resolution. Now that's unnoticeable because

It it there's no way anybody can feel that. It's just i it's the resolution is high enough anyway. But you're you you're talking most servers nowadays, high-end servers can handle a microsecond or even half of a microsecond in resolution. So it do that's not gonna affect anyone. But what's important for people to understand is that y your servo, you you don't program your Hertz into the servo. The servo can accept a maximum up to X Hertz, right? And if it doesn't if the server's not capable

it either will A not work or B um jam jam or C blow up like burn. Like it'll get hot and it'll yeah. It'll it'll get hot and it'll eventually burn like be done. So So I know Thetas can do up to a thousand. It's absolutely not recommended. Don't kids, don't do what Alex is doing at home. Eight hundred is stupid. Alex is dumb.

I mean can you even tell the difference, Alex? Just be honest. For real. Like no way. No way. That's why he flies like he just drank a Red Bull or two. I I don't I don't I don't I don't know. I don't know. It might be in my head, but I feel like at eight hundred the response is just so instantaneous. So Kyle, I feel like Kyle is a pretty competent pilot, right? And Kyle and I have gone together and we have actually experimented with Hertz and it we've set up helicopters that are identical

Same canopy, same boom. Like you can't tell from a distance, right? Maybe if you come up close, you can see. Same servos, same ESC, same boom. Okay, so you've done like a blind test before. Same everything, and we have not been able to tell. From three thirty three to five hundred, we have not been able to tell the difference. Wow. Okay. Now higher than five hundred, maybe we we haven't gone that far because

We did that with the evil and the evil cannot handle more than five hundred on cyclic, but uh can't handle five hundred anyway either. So Yeah. So I I I it's I mean it I if your servo can handle seven you know, if your servo can handle a higher hertz

And you're a proficient pilot. I mean, listen, it's like anything else, right? If you're new to the hobby and you're learning, you know, for flying or you're doing this or this, whatever. Definitely not worth it. Yeah, why would you even bother? Like, don't even worry about

It's something to look forward to as you improve, right? But If you're at a level where you're doing 3D and TikToks and moving around like you've you're feeling the machine and you're pushing the machine to its limits, whether it looks pretty or not, whether you're great or not, it doesn't matter. But you feel comfortable enough with the machine to do three D with it, then yeah, do seven sixty and do like

Do like five hundred, right? But anything above that is when you start getting into the danger zone. You're kinda pushing it. Yeah. Well you start you're starting to create potentially create some problems. So do you think that running Okay, so let's say you're running a servo at fifteen hundred center pulse in three hundred thirty three? And you switched and you had another machine with fifteen with and you set it seven sixty and you're running five hundred hertz on that machine. Are you

Am I running am I killing the servo that's running at five hundred hertz faster than I'm killing the servo that's running at three thirty three? Yes, you are. But it's but it's all relative because it depends on a multitude of factors that are impossible to really uh uh quantify, right? It it has a lot to do with the it it there's so many different variables.

How true is your mainshaft running? Are your bearings smooth? Um, y y you know, do you have any resonances? And if so, uh what hurts, right? Y you know, how's your motor like there's so many variables because The higher the Hertz, the faster the servo will respond to the inputs from the flabberless system and its control loop. And it also has a lot to do with.

the the flabberless unit itself. Like, no offense, I love Mikado. I'm not bashing them. They're great. But it you know, the evil is terrible at at filtering stuff, right? So if your heli's not Butter smooth in every possible way, everything bearings, motor, tail, like shafts, everything. Like it'll transfer to the circles. And the circles will be constantly working whether you see it in the air or not. Um and oftentimes You know that thing I call the dirty blade sound? The

Dirty blade noise, you know, when you have like bat thrust bearings on your rotor head. Yeah, absolutely. I've seen that. A hundred times. I've had that before. Yeah. People running an Evo at five hundred hertz with data servos does not work. An SAB Puma, for example, like it'll do that. Guaranteed. No matter what. It'll do. I've had lots of guys come to me with tuning problems.

If there's play in the ball links and then your blades start doing a tiny bit of flutter, it can introduce that. Yeah, or or play in the servo gears, Kenny, like as well. Like I agree. Like the the balls, the ball links, the the the serbo the servo gears themselves. Like if the servo has any slop, which you know, all servos are gonna develop slop over time.

You know, in my flight unbel flight amazing, y you know, the first so many dozens of flights, but eventually as the servos start the servo gears start to wear and they start to develop a little bit of player slot. You're gonna start noticing that in the rotor head and in flight for sure. But again, it depends on how high you wanna go in hertz and everything.

Alex, keep flying at eight hundred and tell me how many flights you get. I'm going to I'm going. No, I'm just here I'm just curious. I am. I'm curious also. I don't think you're gonna kill the servos. I think you're gonna see some Adverse effects in flight, like flight, flight behavior before you heard the circles. I think that's gonna happen first. Yes. Okay. So but think about it, the more hurts, the higher the hurt.

The more instructions per second, the harder the servo is working. You can do a test. You can set up a bench test. Very easy to do. Take a Nexus, take a take a Nexus. Plug in a servo, just one servo. and and and connect it to your radio and have it on the bench with this one servo plugged in and run it at three three thirty three, right? I I don't care if it's seven sixty, fifteen twenty, doesn't matter, or seven fifty, fifteen hundred, doesn't matter, fifteen

Fifteen hundred, doesn't matter. But move move the collective up and down or just say plug no servo number one and move the collective up and down for like one minute straight. And then temp the servo, then unplug it, let it cool off, and then do the same at eight hundred and move that collective for one minute and then temp the servo. And I guarantee you the temperature will be way higher.

No drastically, but it'll be higher. Serwa will get hotter for sure. Because I've been testing it after flights and feeling them, and they're not hot. Even at eight hundred. They're coming down. Not cool, but they're not hot, you know. But they're but they're running hotter quote unquote, you know, whatever. How are you doing? Yeah, yeah. Even the processor inside there can be warmer possibly on the back of it just from having to do that. Crap.

But then again it also depends, like I said, on the machine. If your machine is spot on, then th that's great. Then the difference is gonna be negligible. But if the machine uh it's not You know, it's questionable. Like I said, you have slop here or you e uh whether it is on your servo gears, your rotor head somewhere, your balls, your ball links, whatever, then you'll notice it more because the servals will be jittering like crazy as you fly.

And you might not like the filtering. Like filtering without any of that, basically your servos want to go crazy back and forth because they're detecting every little tiny thing. Yeah, exactly. So it's the same thing, it can affect your servos over long term. Exactly. Exactly. But I mean obviously, you know.

Uh programmable servos are definitely worth it. So because it gives people the ability to You know, i there's th is some people like to change the center with the program box. I I I yeah, I've discussed this with many serval manufacturers over many years. And and they don't think it's necessary. Some people are pretty picky and anal when it comes to that. Oh, I'm gonna center my servos with my program box.

So when I plug it into my flabberless unit, they're already centered. The flabberless system doesn't care. Servos usually have sixty degrees of travel anyway and and a wide range of center pulse. uh except a wide range of uh center pulse signal so Uh it we're moving probably no more than twenty or thirty degrees, thirty degrees in each direction. So y you know, if if you shift that center and you lose five or ten degrees at one end, it it it's not gonna hurt any.

So but I think it just looks cool though too. Like you get in there and you're like, oh it's perfect. Yeah, I know, it's zero zero zero or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Feels cool. Yeah. But, you know, I I think it's worth it to get programmable servos because you have the ability again to change the center pulse width. And on some servers like Theta, I don't know if Tor can do that, Nick. You you might know, but you can change the the uh what is it called? Theta calls it the uh

What is it called? A current or what is it called? Amps or whatever. Oh, the max amp draw. Yeah, you yeah, yeah. So you can bump that up and get and you ca that's actually noticeable to me. You can feel a faster response. Yeah, I think hands down Theta is the most programmable servo in terms of parameters.

You can you can change a lot on a Theta servo versus Torx and others. You can change center point, you can change frequency, but that's kind of the limit of a lot of other servos that are programmable. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I have one of those torque programmers, but then with rotor flight I just started moving the center pulse in rotor flight setup. You know, you can go ahead and recenter it there also and change your throws, which is kind of cool. Yeah.

But I mean, I feel like, you know, at the end of the day, it it uh why my like what my personal advice would be to somebody new into the hobby, you know, you're that guy that just bought a Nimbus five fifty or whatever, right? And you bought data servos or torque servos or whatever servos. Just run em at fifteen twenty, three thirty three, and just go flying and have fun, right?

as you start improving, then then start playing with this stuff because everybody can experience things differently. You know, everybody like all of us here, the five of us. have different experiences when it comes to this. Like Alex is like, No, dude, this is badass and I'm like, I I run. And I and I run three thirty three to this day, right? So I'm still I'm running three thirty three on the M five. I didn't change those servos. So Oh you need to go to eight hundred.

Uh oh yeah, no, I'm not doing that on the mini. Oh my god. But but I mean, I guess it it does have a lot to do with A, how how willing you are to tinker with things and B, you know, where you are in terms of your flying skills. Like how You know, how comfortable are you with flying and and are you pushing the helicopter to the point where you feel like you could benefit from high voltage, high hurt?

it's all so relative, right? I in the grand scheme to me, I still run like on most of my I I have I have two machines on high voltage. And high hertz, 500 hertz. Everything else I have is still running eight volts on my BEC and 333, 15, 20 center pole. And and I I really can't tell the Like maybe if I did a blind test back to back, I could. But, you know, from one trip to the field to the next, I cannot. So interesting. Yeah.

But you you can definitely tell that the servo will get hot. At eight hundred or a thousand. It'll get hot. For sure. For sure. At a thousand I noticed it would. Yeah. Now the tail, the tail Feels amazing at a thousand. So I can tell you that the tail I don't know what it is. I think it's because I don't know, the behavior you don't have all that moment of inertia, right? The tail is just like a different animal than the the cyclic, right? It's one servo.

Just pure edding your heli. I don't know. The tell feels good when it's really fast. So for sure the tail run at least five hundred and on some models up to a thousand. But but the cyclic uh I don't I don't know. I don't think it's that critical. Who knows? But anyway. I don't know. All right. It's getting late and we're running long, but we got one last servo question for you, which is what's the release date for thetas with removable servo leads?

Oh boy. I don't know. Only time will tell, won't it? Talk to Trump. I feel like you're messing with us. There's no way. Tell Trump to lower the tariffs and then we'll see him like uh very soon. Very

Alex is just cutting the connectors like right up by his servo and just putting a little connector there. And then they throw off RC props. Like and then all of a sudden A main Helidract BK hobbies have'em in stock. Like boom. Here you go. You know, and they come with like Six different lengths, dude. Hey, hey Bert, real quick too, do you think the future will bring about wireless servos to the FBL?

Actually, you know what? Like I when I was w working heavily with servos a few years ago, I I haven't followed up with that, but that was up for discussion and and and it was too it was too hard to do. to to not to not sacrifice latency. Right. Right. So to yeah, to be able to get a servo that does like point you know, point oh five right um right you know you know speed is like yeah, it's like in milliseconds is like

almost impossible. And and they were talking about so many different R F frequencies to use and and uh yeah, the it it it introduces a new level of uh I mean, it would be cool. It would be freaking amazing. Umbrella Yeah, but there's so many batteries to charge then. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we talked about last time. How would you power'em. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That and uh and uh it in you know, you could never get'em to to react. You get so much latency introduced by the RF signal itself, but

But it would be cool that you didn't have to wire anything. Yeah, I've noticed it's kinda going that way in mountain bike world. Have you seen the uh wireless, you know, shifters and wireless brakes? It's pretty cool. Yeah. But you just gotta hang tight for the data.

Servos with the with the removable leads. You get a two incher, a four inch, a six inch. Custom links. Yeah. You got a two, a four, a six, an eight, and a ten inch. I'm ready. It's a race. KST is close with them, so let's see it. Mm-hmm. Good stuff. Yep.

Since you're hosting today, I just want to say thanks for coming on, man. This has been a fun conversation. I know we went kind of long today, but uh thanks for hanging with us. We went super long. That's fun. That's how it goes. Hey, listen, guys, seriously, I really appreciate it. I love the show. I listen to it every time.

And and Alex knows I I I you can quote you can ask me any question about any show and I can answer it. I it's the only RC helicopter podcast I listen to from beginning to end, religiously every time. So that's dope. I don't I don't get to uh to drive for a commute daily, but I get to travel a lot for my other jobs and and and when I get on the road I just catch up with a lot of podcasts and and yours is one of my favorites. So Thanks for everything you do.

I know it's a lot of work, dudes. I I know it's a big commitment and I r I really thank you from the bottom of my heart because you guys are helping keep keep the hobby alive and that's awesome. So Yes sir. Anyway. Well, it takes a village, man. So thanks for coming on. No, thank you guys. Will you want me to wrap it? Thank you for listening to the Rotor Revolution RC podcast.

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