046: Terrain vs Germs vs Genes: Why Environment is Key (Discover Health Podcast with Dr. Joshua Sharp)

Coming up on this episode of Discover Health Podcast. Usually what's passed on that we call genetics is really passed on toxicity. And the reality is is children are going to inherit their mom's system. So they're gonna inherit their mom's nervous system, they're gonna inherit their mom's liver congestion, they're gonna inherit their mom's mercury that are in her fillings. And I say that because I know that because that happened with my wife and our firstborn. Everyone. More energy.

Ready to start to see. Well, welcome back to another episode of Discover Health Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Joshua Sharp. And joining me today is a guest that we've had on before, and I'm so excited to have him back today, uh, a friend and colleague, Dr. Vaughn Lawrence. Vaughn, thanks for joining us today. You bet. Thanks. Happy to do.

For those of you that might be new to Vaughn, he's a naturopathic doctor, he's certified comprehensive iridologist, and he's the founder of Spirit of Health in Grand View, Missouri. where he has helped thousands of clients experience healing through God's original design for the body. After overcoming his own heart condition, fatigue, and dependence on medication in his twenties, using herbs, nutrition, and chiropractic care, he dedicated his life to natural health,

and the message that God is a healer. With over 15 years of practice and more than 10,000 patients seen, he specializes in complex chronic illness. including autism, Lyme disease, quote unquote mystery illness, mold toxicity, parasites, thyroid and autoimmune conditions, chronic bowel disorders, and even more. Dr. Vaughn's passion is to see people set free from limiting diagnosis so they can fulfill the purpose that God has for their lives.

and run the race with full vitality. Thanks again for joining me today, Von. Amen. You bet. So for moms out there who might be listening who feel completely worn out by chronic illness. How do you explain the difference between God's design for healing and conventional symptom focused approach that we're used to here in the Western world? Sure.

Uh I I think I would start by saying if you if you think about it, all we ever had for thousands of years was God, creation, sunshine, water, herbs, nutrition. If you read books Right? Like how did they used to treat people with tuberculosis? Uh they wheeled them out in the sun. Uh they would start with twenty minutes, wheel them back in, as they tolerated it, they'd increase it to forty-five minutes, an hour, two hours, three hours until the person was totally healed. They called it sunbathing.

So, you know, all all we had forever was God and creation. And all of a sudden we decided, like, oh, we're gonna create this uh man-made, you know, petrochemical drug system that's better, right? So I I think we all know Like kinda where that's ended up. And I'm not saying there's not been some good things along the way. Um don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. But uh in general, like I'm very big on God's way is still the best way.

Uh we gotta get back to the original ancient paths and just learn how to use God's medicine better, like actually spend money on researching what God created. And the real difference is and there's a lot of differences, but the difference is is treating the whole person not compartmentalizing them into a disease name or an organ or like an organ that needs to be removed or a disease name or whatever. Actually treating the whole person and actually seeking uh wellness and restoration.

versus symptom management. Um an example would be diabetes, just cause I was just talking to to a patient about this yesterday about um it it's mind boggling to me because I do blood work that w doctors check glucose and A one C. Label somebody diabetic, put them on medication the rest of their life.

But anybody knows, or at least they should know, and medical doctors should know, that diabetes is not a blood sugar disease, it's an insulin resistant disease. Yeah. So they're not checking insulin. So they're not even checking what matters. They're not even monitoring or trying to correct the real problem, which is insulin resistance. Yeah. Therefore, that person is a lifelong customer, so to speak, of the medical industry.

managing their disease, never fully healing, never fully being well. And, you know, so that would just be an example to answer your question is is like, yeah, we're really seeking wholeness. wellness, actually healing and restoration versus just disease management, like making your blood sugar numbers look pretty through a pharmaceutical drug that has side effects.

versus actually getting all your markers, including insulin, back into the normal range so that you don't have to have a label anymore because nobody should be living with a disease name label. Yeah, I agree. And I like what you talked about. Focusing on the whole person, not just the set of obvious symptoms that they have and then putting a label on them, and now you're just treating them as this label, you and I both know that.

So many factors are involved in these conditions and what goes behind these symptoms. And it's so much more than just, oh, well, you have this label. So here's your only treatment options. There's obviously lifestyle factors for sure. There's chemical factors, but so much more than that. There's emotional factors. There's environmental factors, things that are in their environment, which can be behind these things. There's toxicity, so much more. Um, and so just

Slapping a label on somebody and so you can, you know, feed'em pills. Um it's a it's a sad state of affairs. Totally. It is sad. So yeah, I I totally agree. You know, focusing on the whole person. And what I say so often is, yes, your labs may appear normal or they may appear like they've they've improved.

But you're still having all the same problems and nothing has changed with the condition. And so very often what I find with the medical world and I don't think that many of the doctors or practitioners are doing this on purpose, they're doing what they were taught to do. It's just statistical gymnastics, you know, l using the labs right as the data set.

to, you know, oh here, look, we changed this number so you must be you know, must be better. Meanwhile, here's here's your higher dose of prescription because yeah, by the way, your condition is actually worse, you know. Right. So I think that's we're definitely on the same page there. Uh you t you talk about whether chronic illness is really about, you know, genetics.

or poison. So how do you determine the best first steps for someone who's trying to get their life back, you know, trying to decipher between, okay, what's where's the root of this coming from? Sure. I'm a big fan of lab testing. I I've done a lot of things over 15 years and um I I've tried a lot of different uh programs.

systems. I did uh bioresonance like, you know, frequency scanning at one time. Um Yeah so I I kinda landed on lab testing, you know, right or wrong, you know, that's where I've landed. Uh I really like seeing it on paper. Uh that's assuming that the lab's a good lab and the information's correct, right? Like it's true nothing's infallible, nothing's perfect out uh outside of God, of course. So

You know, I always like take everything with a grain of salt. But in general I feel like the lab testing is very, very accurate. in actually showing if somebody has, you know, mold or they have Lyme disease or y XYZ,'cause symptoms can mimic each other, which I'm sure you're aware of. Um somebody can Uh, have all the symptoms of Lyme disease and really have mold or really have Epstein Barr virus or, you know, something else. So

Because there's so much crossover with symptoms, I'm a big believer in lab testing. And you mentioned uh X versus poisoning. Uh this just happened last week. I had a gal in my office saying, Oh, you know, my granddad had this and you know, my mom had this and my sister had this and and I have this and you know, that kind of thing. And so maybe it's genetic. I think it was like a thyroid thing. And I said, The way I look at it is Genetic

I think of like DNA, RNA, you know, chromosomes. You think of like a muscular uh dystrophy or some of those like severe illnesses where there's there's literally like a a DNA chromosomal Problem, a true genetic defect. Right. Uh but really what I tried to explain to her is I said, Well, I would consider your environment. Where did you guys live? Where did you grow up? What kind of water did you drink? Because usually what's passed on that we call genetics is really passed on toxicity.

And the reality is, is children are going to inherit their mom's system. So they're gonna inherit their mom's nervous system, they're gonna inherit their mom's liver congestion, they're gonna inherit their mom's mercury that are in her fillings.

And I say that because I know that, because that happened with my wife and our firstborn daughter, which that right there is a fascinating story right there. My daughter had mercury toxicity at two years old and she was not vaccinated. So where did the mercury come from? So these things are passed down and they're passed on toxicity. They're not genetic.

And, you know, I had a person in here who was like seventy three years old yesterday worried about Alzheimer's and they're like, you know, it's just it's in my family, it could be genetic and I said, Well If it's something's genetic, like wouldn't it be a problem from birth or at a very young age? Like you don't suddenly develop some like genetic problem in your age.

Right. That's just I I think I think people actually believe that because they've heard it for so long. You know, that like programming, that brainwashing, like you hear the same thing over and over and over and you find you you come to believe it. But it's like If you just think of it logically, like did you genetically suddenly now just get something at 75 years old because your parents had it? Like it it honestly logically doesn't even make sense. Because the reality is is it's environmental.

And I believe it's mostly environmental. Um and There was a statistic we read uh some time that it was a a cancer research study somebody did, and I d I don't remember I could find it because we have it in a presentation, but it actually showed that three percent of cancer is actually truly genetic. And ninety-seven percent of cancer is environmental. And I believe that. Yeah. I remember going through chiropractic school and I think um it was

At that time it was ninety something percent, but it was it was in the high nineties of percent of cancers were were labeled by the World Health Organization as uh preventable lifestyle diseases. Wow. And, you know, there's something behind that. And obviously I don't take everything that the World Health Organization says as the gospel truth, but there there's some research. There's some there's something behind that. And I love what you talked about, you know, with

It's about your environment. And I did a podcast um a while back. It was on terrain theory versus germ theory. And germ theory has really started to lose its hold and it's be it's been disproven over and over and over again.

And what I feel like has happened is they've just swapped out germ theory with gene theory. And now gene theory is the new germ theory. You know, it's the it's the it's the new thing. Well, there's nothing you can do. Um it's just part of your genetics, but The fact of the matter is, and you pointed this out really, really well, is if the fish are swimming in the same pond and that pond is toxic.

then guess what? They're going to their b their bodies are going to adapt in a similar way and they're going to develop similar adaptations or illnesses based on what what pond water they're swimming in. And so if you don't want those same adaptations Get a new pond, you know, change your environment. Right. And I think that's so important.

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I know you and I have have had a a very brief discussion on this in the past, but glyphosate or, you know, Roundup, herbicides, pesticides, those things are everywhere. How do you see those things driving issues clinically? Like what symptoms do you see? Um, what what things tend to develop when someone has toxicities of some of these environmental toxins like glyphosate or like other farm chemicals?

Yeah, I mean m mainly uh I know it affects everything, but mainly the gut, of course. I mean it it's it's pretty well proven fact now and and common I I say common knowledge maybe in the natural health world, maybe not in the rest of the world, but at at least in the world we live in, it's pretty common knowledge that glyphosate destroys the gut lining and causes leaky gut. It also destroys the collagen matrix. And so there's more people that are young and should be young, fit, healthy.

And I'm not saying they're invincible, but they but but young athletes are getting sprains and strains and torn ligaments and torn ACLs. More than ever, I don't know if you see this in the chiropractic world, but I believe a a big part of it is the breakdown of of glycine and the breakdown of the collagen matrix and and collagen, which is the connective tissue because Glyphosate actually displaces glycine. in connective tissue. Right. And so uh so basically that uh reduces the integrity

of all your bones, joints, ligaments, etcetera. So that's it's just proof. Like we can we can say glyphosate's toxic, but when you actually like Now there's science and research out showing like how bad it is, like infertility, like really, really serious problems. So we lab test it for it. It's pretty easy to test for. Uh we test it in urine. Um we can pretty quickly see if people have glyphosate. Uh atrazine is another big one that's uh common these days.

Um and then we have two four D uh is still around too. That was uh that was used in Agent Orange in nerve gas in the war. And now we're, you know, spraying it on our plants in our backyard, right? Yeah. And by the way We're all paying like we're all paying for agent orange poisoning from the vets, the unfortunate vets that were told, Oh yeah, this is safe, go spray this around. Yeah. And now they're showing all these health conditions years later.

You and I are all paying for their their care for our government poisoning them with the same stuff that you're talking about right now. Yeah, and it it's shocking to me that glyphosate's still on the market. Um, I remember, gosh, I don't even know how long this was ago. I bet it was over 10 years ago. I remember seeing videos. of people in Italy by the tens of thousands marching through the streets with signs.

um, saying they did not want Monsanto and they do not want glyphosate in their country, in their farms and on their crops. And there are multiple countries in the world who have banned Monsanto from doing business in their country because they know it is going to kill their plant. They're insects, they're animals.

and un you know, newborns and on down the road. And here we are in America still supporting these evil corporations. I mean, we jokingly, you know what our what we call Monsanto. We call it Monsatan.

You ever heard you I'm sure you've probably heard that. Uh huh. So it's like the the the fact that these companies are still in business, the fact that Monsanto's going to court over and over and over again, paying millions and millions and millions of dollars because th there's such a heavy body of proof and evidence that they're having to pay out families um that they have killed uh with cancer. Uh you know, they're killing mothers and fathers and children.

and and they're able to prove it and and they're having to pay out millions of dollars. But they don't care. If they're making billions and paying out millions, they don't care. Like you know, these big companies they don't value human life. So yeah, it's it's a sad state of the world. I would say I'm encouraged with what's happening with uh the Maha movement and RFK Jr. and fact that uh Trump's on board, that they've already changed the food pyramid, which obviously we know was garbage.

Um, they've ch they've reduced the vaccine schedule dramatically, which is like praise God, finally. And so there there's some encouraging things happen. I mean, we have like a million miles to go. But the fact that it's almost like there's been a s uh a stop of this unprecedented um never-stopping uh machine of vaccine and pharmaceuticals just more and more and more and more and more and finally like it stops.

And it's a little bit going back the other direction. It's like, praise God, hallelujah. Yeah. Absolutely. It is about time. And I do think people are finally starting to wake up and um, you know Mom's When you and I were kids, they were they were excited about convenience. You know, they were excited about the convenience of microwaveable foods and oh, I don't have to spend so much time prepping things. I can, you know, buy prepackaged items. And it seemed like, oh, we're headed in this

you know, into this direction of convenience in the modern era. And now we're starting to see, you know, moms are flipping the switch. They're going back the other way because they're really they've experienced personally or they've seen you know, there's a cost that comes with those, you know, convenience items. And un unfortunately it's a it can be a very, very high cost.

And so we're seeing a movement of people returning to natural things, which is an amazing thing. Um, but boy, the other side is not going down without a fight. You know, there's they're kicking screaming. It's very biblical, it's very spiritual. It's the same battle. It it just always looks different. Right. It's always the ways of man versus the ways of God. It's, you know, the enemy, the Satan versus God. Um, it it's the same battle. Uh it's it it really is like at the root of it.

Like we do not fight against flesh and blood. You know, we fight against principalities and spiritual forces. Yeah. And uh that's the reality. So I think I think you're seeing uh a little bit of uh dismantling somewhat so to speak of uh the enemy being on the throne of modern medicine and and having his way with sadly destroying our our children and so many families.

And uh yeah, I'm very excited to see people, you know, kind of turning back the other way, turning back to God, turning back to natural things. I mean, this is like This is my world, Josh. Like this is what I this is my mantra. This is my you know, this is what I love to talk about. It's just this reality of like it's a spiritual battle and it's in every industry. Whether it's the insurance industry or the banking industry or the food industry or the or the health industry.

Everything is all about what's happening in the spirit. You're absolutely right. And while you were talking, you know, yes, it does feel like in a lot of ways we're gaining some momentum in certain arenas and certain areas, which is which is great. And it's been a long time coming. But I also know and as you wisely pointed out, like we're not warring against just corporations and people. I mean this

This has been a master plan that's been going on for j generations. Yes. And and no person is smart enough to come up with the, you know, the process that has got us to where we are right now. Like you mentioned, this is a spiritual battle. Right. But we also know Satan is crafty and just because, you know, maybe he's losing a little bit of a foothold here, he's gonna find other areas to attack and to

you know, make life interesting for us and and to make life difficult for believers, um, and make life difficult for people that are may come to the Lord. Um So that's something to just we just always have to be alert. We have to be aware and and Yes, we can make improvements and we should and we and we should fight for that, but just recognize that this earth is never gonna be perfect until Jesus comes back, you know, and sets things right.

I mean the message I'd love to share to anybody who's listening, I don't know who the majority is of your audience out there, but I'm sure a lot of people listening out there are, you know, moms and dads. And, you know, you you go to church and, you know, you have a community of people that you're with and it's like I I'm big on like we have to take personal responsibility.

And if there's information out there that's that's contrary to what we've believed for for decades or that our parents believed or our grandparents believed, then we have to be open to that information and open to change. because we have a responsibility to steward our own bodies and our own health. We have the responsibility to take care of our children.

Yeah. And I've done some posts and some videos about this, that how heartbreaking it is for parents to realize that the vaccine that they agreed to damaged their children their child You know, and for a parent it's like What what do you do with that? I mean that's the h that's one of the whole reasons we exist as human beings to be fruitful and multiply. There's nothing more valuable on this earth to a parent than their child.

And to feel like they were somewhat responsible for injuring that child is it's devastating and it's heartbreaking. And my message would be to you listening or hearing this. is we do not fight against flesh and blood. It was not you. It's the devil. Yeah. And so if there's anyone to blame, we can't blame parents, we can't blame doctors. I mean, we we could be like, Oh my gosh, she's doing some horrible evil stuff. Well

Sometimes like people are just they're they've gone their own way. Um we don't understand these things. We y you don't know what you don't know, right? That's the old phrase. Right. And uh people vaccinating their children have always thought that that's what's best for their children because we always want to do what's best for our ch our children. Every parent. And so the problem is that the enemy has got a foothold in the medicine and they've used it.

to poison our children, to poison humanity, And how long has it taken for us to finally realize that this agenda and not everybody agrees with this. This is what I believe. So this is where I'm at. Not everybody's here.

I believe this has been an agenda from the devil from the beginning to poison, hurt, harm, injure our most sacred, our most vulnerable. Our most important resource we have on this earth, which is our children. And so that's why there's such a movement. And parents, like, we're not gonna be quiet anymore. Right? Like that that's over.

The whole like you're gonna beat up on the mom who posts a video about getting the MMR vaccine and then the next day her child goes nonverbal and you know, we we have silent and shut down tens of thousands of parents for decades. And so it's like, no, no more. Like you are not going to quiet the parents anymore because we're going to fight for our children. I mean, you want to tick off some people? Start messing with their children.

Well, it's so scary because imagine making a product And your product is so dangerous that you're unwilling to stand behind it. So you have to get Basically bribe the government officials

to make it to where you have zero liability, zero culpability. Nineteen eighty six. That was the year. That's right. When something does go wrong and it's going to go wrong and they know it's going to go wrong. And that's why they will not stand behind their own product. So they have to get the government to basically

you know, fix all their mistakes. And if you are a family that's unfortunately been, you know, permanently damaged, permanently injured, there's only so much money available. And when it's gone, it's gone. And then you're Nothing you can do. Exactly. But also if you take that money, which you may very well need to help with care, to help with, you know, additional needs that might come along with having a damaged child.

then you're also agreeing to a gag order and so you can't talk about it and you're not listed in the it's it's sick. It's it's it's so discouraging. But People like you and I'm, you know I'm working to help people the same and and I'm working to help moms get better and get healthier because I feel like when you don't feel well, it's hard to function well as a Christian, as a mother, as a member of the community.

And, you know, when you have sick children, and I know that you've have done a lot of work with kids in the past. That makes it hard on the mom. It makes it hard on the whole family as well to function in in the ways that God has called them. So let's talk about some encouraging things, you know, here for a minute.

If you had someone that had, you know, a kid that had struggled in this way or maybe had an injury or maybe had some toxicity that could have been associated with the vaccine or not, you know. We're not gonna we're just saying toxicity, but it maybe it could be related to that or something else. What are some ways that parents can naturally help those kids and support those kids after after the fact? A great question. Like what what can parents do? And and there's a lot you can do. Um

I have a vaccine detox protocol. Um, I'm actually updating mine. Um, I am going to just because this is such a monumental issue and it has been now for what, eighty years, right? We're we're eighty, ninety years into uh maybe a hundred years into vaccines. Um And so I'm gonna have a updated adult vaccine detox protocol, a children's vaccine detox protocol, and a COVID vaccine detox protocol because that's a whole nother

Animal or beast, I should say. And so that that's separate because there's just some unique unfortunate things happening with the with the COVID vaccine. Uh but yeah, there you know, we have to support the immune system because that's really what it is. This is it's an onslaught against the immune system. Yeah. And so we have to support immune function. And so now it's more important than ever. I guess I would start with saying there's

There's a couple basic things you have to do. One is you have to support the body with the proper nutrients it needs for proper immune function. So it's more important than ever that we have adequate vitamin D levels, that we're taking vitamin C. that we're taking the the the just the basics, minerals, the basic things to have healthy immune function are crucial. Um the second part of it is we do need to detox.

And there's all kinds of things you could do for that. We should do a whole episode sometime on detox. It's one of my favorite topics. But I'm a big fan of binders. And I have lots of different binders that I use for lots of different things. But, you know, you can bind heavy metals and chemicals. Like we talked about glyphosate. I'm sure you know this, but do you know there's glyphosate in vaccines?

What on earth? How yeah, how why purpose could that possibly serve? And you can mean humanity is the purpose that it serves. Well that's it. making someone sick, purposefully making someone sick, how could that make someone healthier? You can't argue that. It's crazy. So I'm a big fan of binders, uh, clay charcoal, zeolites, silica. There's all kinds of great binders out there that you can bind these toxins and these poisons. I'm a big fan of liver support.

Glutathione. Almost everybody I work with gets glutathione. Um you really need glutathione levels to be adequate. Because glutathione's in every cell of the body and it's one of the most important ways the body detoxifies and the liver detoxifies and without enough glutathione the body can't detoxify properly. So I'm like big, big, big on that one.

And you have to support drainage pathways. You know, people have to be, you know, pooping and going to the bathroom every day. Kidney liver function has to be optimized. So I would say it's kind of like good news and bad news. The bad news is our our our world has become so toxic and so poisoned that everybody's suffering the effects of that.

Yep. And and sadly it's all man made, right? So all the man made chemicals, all the man made pharmaceutical drugs, all the man made vaccines, like the reason we're in the state of health we are today is because of sin and because of man made everything. Right? It goes back to God's way or man's way. Well we've chosen man's way and it ain't looking pretty. Right? So so that's the bad news. But the good news is

We have to, have to, have to learn how to get healthy. Learn how to optimize our health. Learn what God created the human body to need. We have to learn how to detoxify and get poisons out of our body. We have to eat clean, eat well, drink good water. Like if there's any light at the end of the tunnel. or good news, it's that God is a great designer of the human body. His creation is great. God is the same yesterday, today, and forevermore. God never changes. It's all still available to us.

And now we actually have to learn to steward our bodies properly because look at what's happened in the world. The turbo cancers. Oh you know, we're getting one in three diabetic, one in two cancer or heart disease. I I mean it's it's It's really difficult to to see the state of our world today related to its health.

But the good news is, is we're gonna use this to realize we've messed up, we've done the wrong things, we've gone the wrong way, we've chosen man over God, we're gonna go back to God. God's still good. Our bodies are still designed well. He's given us the things we need. And let's go for it. Let's do it. We can do it. Absolutely. You say so many of the things that I say almost exactly. If you can hear the bells in the background, I apologize for that, but I'm here uh doing this episode at

College of the Ozarks, they're in no way affiliated with this episode whatsoever, other than they let me, you know, just come to the library. There's a space available. So thank you for whoever But beautiful campus, great school. I would I would have to recommend anyone checking that out. College of the Ozarks, if your kids are getting to college aids, wonderful place for uh Christian education. They do things

I think the Lord's way, you pay for your tuition by work. So it's a great thing. Amen. That's the way. But I totally agree. You know, we live in such a toxic world. There's so many things out there that are, you know, poisoning us from every angle. But God's body, you know, that he designed is so amazing. We are capable to detoxify. We are capable to heal. This body was designed

to heal itself. And so I'm so thankful for that. And obviously there's there's limits, right? But if somebody wanted to set out on a journey to improve the health of their children and improve the health of their family, What are some tips or what are some good places they could start working towards detoxing or working towards building a healthier rhythm with their family? What what would be like maybe your top three things they could start with?

Okay, yeah, good question. So what are the top three things you could start? I I ha I have to say diet's number one. I have to. Because Hippocrates said it, let your food be your medicine, and your medicine be your food. And I know probably another one of your favorite Hippocrates quotes is for all patient complaints.

Look to the spine and look to the bowels. I'm sure you love that one too, as a chiropractor. Those are some pretty good ones. Yeah, so You have to start with food because I can see the difference in my kids in our family and their level of energy, alertness, attentiveness. versus other children that are eating whatever, the standard American diet. Yeah. Again, in our world today, you're not going to get away with

a poor diet. Like there there's just there's there's there's too much toxicity in the world and it's really going to affect people.

And so I'm a big believer in uh Uh I don't maybe want to dive too far into into diet in this podcast because obviously again that could be another whole topic we could do. Right. Um I love stuff like whole 30. Um I think paleo's a good way to go. Yeah. Um I'm not a fan of the ketogenic diet at all. Um if you are, I'm sorry. I just I have my thoughts on that. Yeah, I just asked you more about that. Some in at another time, but yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Not not a fan of carnivore.

You know, some of those things are great short term, but it's not how God designed us to live. And so I believe in fruits, vegetables, quality healthy proteins, uh animal or plant based proteins. Um some healthy fats, but I feel like we do way too much fat in our culture. So I'm actually more of like, hey, let's go lower fat. And then sprinkle in a few whole food carbohydrates, you know, like your quinoa, your your rice.

uh your oatmeal, things like that. But, you know, in general that's it. It's it's all the processed foods, the processed carbs, the seed oils, the, you know, it it really affects people. And I heard this before, and so I'm gonna say it and I believe it. That people out there need to hear this: that the number one thing out there that will make you tired is food. The food you eat determines either. If you're gonna be tired or you're gonna have energy.

Yeah. That's huge. People need to know that. So that's number one. Number two, I'd say we do gotta be sunshine. We need to be walking outside. We need to get some exercise. Your kids should be riding bikes and running around, do a walk around the block. I really think movement's key. We're just getting back to the basics of the basics, right? And then number three, I do feel like we need to supplement today. Uh w you know, we know what's going on with our food supply.

We know it's not what it used to be. The nutrients aren't in the food. We're not making our own food. We're not growing our own food for the most part. We're not break making our own bread at home. By the way, I mentioned processed carbohydrates. If you make your own bread at home. It can actually be one of the healthiest things ever. And I'm telling you, it doesn't matter if it's Ezekiel sprouted, blah blah blah. Once it gets to a grocery store shelf, it is severely compromised.

So anyway, that's it, like you said, another topic for another day. But I love the pH balancer by Mother Earth Labs. I love humic and folvic minerals. I like taking ocean minerals. Um I like things to give a wide spectrum of vitamins and minerals as the foundation because Genesis 2.7, the Lord God formed man out of dust of the earth. So if you break it down, what are we? Oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, and minerals. That's it. That's all we are.

So minerals are the foundation. I actually put minerals above vitamins if you want to prioritize things, whereas like vitamins, vitamins, vitamins. I'm like, no minerals. And then vitamins, because we're made out of dust of the earth and they're absolutely crucial. So that'd be my top three. Clean diet. exercise, move, fresh air, get in the sun. And I do think we need to supplement with at least some basic

uh vitamins, minerals, uh probiotics, a good greens formula. You know, we should be doing those things. That should be part of our grocery budget. We always see that as an extra expense, like I can't afford all those supplements. It's like, no, you should be buying that before the potato chip. You know, in your grocery cart, right?

I love the way you frame that as part of your grocery budget because literally it's food, you know, for yourself. It's food, exactly. But so many of the stuff in the grocery store labeled as food is not. It's food like It's food colored and food flavored, but there's there's very enhanced. Yeah, yeah. There's very little to any food in there. So I like how you said that. It's just part of your grocery budget. That's such a good way to frame it.

Um, because yeah, I think you're right. So many people just see that as an extra, but really you're this is the most nourishing thing you're gonna put your body compared to lots of stuff that you might get at the grocery store. Makes a lot of sense. Totally.

I love talking with you because you make things sound so simple and I think so often we like to overcomplicate health. We like to overcomplicate things. So I've got to do all these biohacking things and they can be great and they can be fine and and but Keep it simple. You know, keep it something that you can do, something that you can keep up with. And I think you're gonna get a lot farther than if you overcomplicate it and, you know, make it too difficult. So I agree.

Great job. Good top three. I like that. I agree. I use that same verse from Genesis to uh do an episode on grounding. So I like the way you applied it to minerals, so that's good. Love it. Love grounding. Same. If it's been so great. Um for me and for my family, you know, we try to incorporate that in in a lot of different ways. So we love it. Absolutely. So the top three I think is huge and if you take nothing away from this episode You know, keep it simple. Whole foods um is is amazing.

Getting outside, getting sunshine, move your body, amazing, amazing, amazing stuff. and then, you know, supplementing um with some good quality mineral supplements, and then um, as one said, maybe vitamins after that. So in terms of how we're connecting things, the Bible doesn't necessarily give, okay, here's the diet that everybody should eat. Here's the, you know, the lifestyle that everybody should live. I do feel like the Bible does give us some hints.

Right. That your church service needs needs to have. It doesn't say, Well, first start with prayer and then a song and then another prayer. It doesn't it leaves it open to, you know, there's freedom there, right? But When we talk about faith, when we talk about the Bible, what are some things that you can glean from the Bible in terms of health and and how we should be living um that you think might be good to put into practice?

Wow, such a question. Where do I start? Um I uh I have not read it, but I I will I don't know him personally. But I I do uh respect uh Jordan Rubin um and Josh Axe both. Sure. Um they wrote a book together called The Biblio Diet that's all about eating a biblically based diet.

Um, which I I I need to read. I actually bought it. I just haven't read it yet. That's because I have like twenty books I wanna read and I'm already reading three right now, right? So it's just th there's only so much you can can consume as far as information. Um, but there the it it's really fascinating the vast amount of information that's in the Bible about food. And about what we shouldn't shouldn't eat.

Now, hey what, I'll I'll just start with something that's uh controversial in the Christian community because um I just that's how how I am. I'm I like conflict. And I think it's good to have healthy conflict, healthy conversation. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna I was like interesting that we're all about like the Ten Commandments. That's what God said.

And, you know, God laid out all these rules and things we should do. But then when it comes to eating pork and shellfish, we say, Oh, well, that's Old Testament. And I'll be honest, man, that drives me nuts. Because God didn't just say don't eat pork. He actually said that is abominable flesh. As in like that's the most gross, disgusting, evil thing ever. And and so the the point I'm making is that I don't eat pork.

And my family doesn't eat pork. We don't do it because we're religious or because we're like following every rule in the Old Testament. We're doing it because God is wise. And he knows better than us if you And there's a reason he said not to eat that. Now from a practical standpoint. Whether it's fish, certain types of fish, the bottom feeders.

you know, shrimp, all all of those uh things in the Bible that uh what what does he call them? Shellfish, I think, right? Um, pigs, they're all bottom feeder. Like we would never go, uh, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna go kill and eat a vulture. Like you're like, oh, that's gross, right? But it it's a bottom feeder. And so that's why God said not to eat it. So the reason I think it's important to abstain from these types of things is because

God said so and God's smart and he's wise and he was saying this because this is what's gonna keep you clean. This is what's gonna keep you healthy, this is what's gonna keep you set apart. I don't know if you've heard this, but when the bubonic plague went through Europe That Jewish people weren't dying. They were not touched by the plague. So they actually blamed it on the Jewish people saying, You did this, you cursed us, you're responsible for for this.

But the reality is, is if you're following biblical guidelines and biblical principles and the Jewish people are doing what God said in the Bible, it actually made them immune to the plague. Yeah, a lot of the people back at that time period, their where did their, you know, sewage go? It just went right out the window, right into the street. Exactly. People are walking around in sewage with very un you know, unclean conditions. But if you look at the way that Jerusalem was set up.

They had a place for that. And people were to go outside of the camp, you know, when they were wandering in the wilderness. So there's a place for the sewage. And the Bible even has a scripture that to take it so far outside at camp and bury it there was a yeah, there was a gate called the Dung Gate, you know what I mean? And so that's that's where the stuff went. That's where you didn't want to go.

Um, but also those people were eating with lead utensils, you know, so their terrain was already in a weakened state. Right. And so yes, I Uh it's not the hill to die on for me or anything like that. Um, but there's a place in the Bible where Jesus talks about You know, it's not what you eat that defiles you. What defiles you

Come is already inside of you. It's what's on the inside that defiles you. Because what you eat goes through your stomach and passes into the stewer is what he said. Sewer is what he said. And then right after that it says, Jesus said this, making all foods clean. What I would say is just because you do have the freedom, you know, you're not breaking one of God's, you know

laws, he's not gonna strike you with lightning for eating certain things. It's not a salvation issue. Like has nothing to do with salvation. Absolutely. Just because you have freedom doesn't necessarily mean that's what's best, right? Totally. you know, there's a lot of freedom that we have.

Thank you, Lord, you know, for a lot of different freedom, but just because you're free to do it doesn't necessarily mean it's best. Well, I'll give an example of like the Nazarite vow. Like the Nazarites set themselves apart. And what of the th one of the things they abstained from was like raisins and raisin cakes. Yeah, it's a good thing. Well who on earth is like, Oh raisins are bad. You should raisins wine, alcohol. Yeah, wine. You're just you're choosing to set yourself apart for God.

And so that's why, you know, I chose that topic just like I said, I think it's fun. I think it's a fun conversation to have with other Christians. Yeah. But like that's why I abstained from it because I Uh I want to set myself apart. Um, I wanna eat what's clean. I don't want to eat unclean things. And if you look in the natural, you will find that, you know, it where you find the most parasites. in animals is in pigs. We've had breakouts of listeria and E. coli in lettuce.

uh farms that have actually killed people and they found that those breakouts would because there was a nearby pig farm and the runoff from the pig farm got into the crops of, you know, lettuce and other produce. And that's what contaminated the vegetables. So so again, to me it's just like, are we using wisdom in you know, having clean

holy as as close as we can. Obviously we're fallen and we all mess up and if I had candy and bad of course, you know, we've I've I've done all kinds of bad things and eaten all kinds of unclean things. I'm just you ask like what are the are the principles and things we can follow in the Bible and I believe just eating clean.

Eating whole foods, what God like I do look at Leviticus eleven. What did God say is clean and unclean? Because I think that's a smart way to eat. And of course it's gonna be in uh Jordan Rubin and Josh Ash's books. I think they would agree with me on this. So the other scripture I love is 2 Corinthians 7 1 that says, Cleanse yourself of all filthiness of flesh and spirit. And so I just think that's interesting because a lot of times when we think um

Spiritual cleansing, we think, you know, demons, uh wrong mindsets, uh I think all those th those things are all really true important things. But why did he say cleanse yourself of all filthiness of flesh? Like that's that's one of those things. And then you have like first Corinthians six, nineteen and twenty, which is another big one of do you not know your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit? Sure. And you are not your own.

Right. So we have a lot of scriptures that talking about like it's important to take care and steward our bodies. But I I don't think in general a lot of Christians think that relates to food or it matters necessarily what what foods they eat. So let me say it this way.

Don't be religious or weird about it. But I I tell you what I think's the most important thing is that you connect with God, you hear from the Holy Spirit, right? And if the Lord convicts you on something then you need to honor and obey your your papa And and do those things. So there's plenty of people that are Christians that love Jesus.

that have a m amazing relationship with the Lord. They eat pork. It ain't a big deal. The Lord hasn't convicted'em about it. So that's why I said I'm not making this a big deal, but I'm just saying like There are biblical principles that I think if we follow them will bring fruitfulness and connection with the Lord.

Yeah, I think I love what you said. That's well said, you know, um for one believer, you know, they're convicted by a certain thing and for another believer they have no conviction. Obviously we need to make sure we're in a good, you know relationship with the Lord, that we're hearing from him, that we're connected there and not just

blindly going about it, but um I do think that that is so true. It's kind of like meat sacrificed to idols where they talk about in Corinthians, you know, well, for one believer they recognize, well, that idol's not a real idol. I'm just buying meat, you know, to eat for my family. So it's who cares? But another person, you know, a believer just the same is convicted by that. Well, that was sacrificed to an idol, so I can't eat that. So

Don't condemn the believer that eats it and then and don't condemn condemn the believer that doesn't eat it. Exactly. It's not necessarily a spiritual matter, but I I like what you talked about. It's it's just about what's best. Yeah. And some people can, you know, these these things like can divide people. And divide family and and divide believers and and divide churches.

And I and I don't think that ever should. I I think we should all agree on the majors that, you know, Jesus Christ was a real person and he died for our sins and he was raised on the third day and you know, like If if we can agree on those foundational things, like I I feel like we can work the rest I feel like we can work the rest out. But I do feel like there's a lot of scripture that the Lord's put on my heart. Uh related to health. And the importance of stew eating our bodies.

And uh I also have just experienced it. Um how different I feel when I'm fasting, not just physically, but spiritually. Like there's it it really is powerful when you turn away from the things of the flesh. and the th that the things that are your, you know, your addictions and that are enticing you and you're really like set apart and and more in tune with the Lord.

like things really start to shift. And so that is big for me that uh, you know, we we are hearing from the Lord because I think there can be a dullness Or an apathy in our culture. Yeah. And I'm sorry to say it, but I feel like food's a big, big reason. for a lot of our dullness and our apathy. And I think if we fasted more or chose a more restricted, you know, diet or or lifestyle, uh, I feel like there would be fruit. I I feel like God would honor that. Let me just say it that way.

Who is God not to honor and go, Oh, hey, they're they're going after me and they let go of these things. So you know what? I'm going to I'm gonna honor that by connecting with him or her in in a deeper way. Would that be fair to say? That would be fair to say. I think you're exactly right. How do you get a better prayer life?

You pray. You pray. You practice praying. You know, um, start with a little bit and and just you pray more, right? How do you gain more self control, which is a fruit of the spirit, by the way. Right. You point. God is as Jesus didn't say, you know, well, if you sometime maybe think about fasting, he said, Well, when you fast. It wasn't if it's when you fast, meaning you oughta do it. And when you fast, you know, uh

Don't go around telling everybody, Well, I'm fasting, I'm doing it, I'm nice and holy. But there's benefits there, right?'Cause we're practicing, we're strengthening our self control muscles, you know. And so I think there's a lot of value. There's so much more value beyond that.

Time is short and I want to get this one last question in a buzzer question. So This is something I see so often and I know you have seen it over and over again as well, but for parents Uh for families out there that have one parent that's struggling with chronic illness and it seems like very often it's the mom, but not always, but they have there's one parent struggling with chronic illness and everybody else Seems like

you know, to not be struggling in that way. Um, what are some ways to involve the spouse? and the kids in the healing, um, in the healing culture household. Doesn't just become well mom's sick and so she's gotta do all these things. How how do you try to involve the family in in the healing process? Uh I will tell you like this is the the this question is a big Deal. It's really real because I I've seen thousands and thousands of people, right? How many women do I see compared to men?

It's probably ninety ten, right? It's probably ninety percent women. I was probably pretty similar, yeah. Okay. So I thought maybe in chiropractor you might see more men. But in my world, like it it

It's a lot of women and they're struggling and a lot of times their husbands don't understand or they're not on board. And man, I tell you what, I I bring the husband in. I'm like Bring your husband to the appointments because he needs to hear it and understand it so he can support like if a husband if a wife doesn't have the support of her husband, it's very, very difficult.

Yeah. Um, emotionally, obviously financially, and so you really need the husband to be on board. So this is what I shoot for. Not saying it always works out this way, but this is what I shoot for. You guys need to make changes as an entire family. And usually that works because the woman is the one making the meals. So because she's making the meals, she should have a say in what they eat, right? So and I'm also like not

having people do these insanely restrictive diets or anything like that. Like, hey, we're just we're just cleaning it up a little bit. That's all we're doing. And I'll even ask them, what do you guys like? What do your kids like? What's your husband's favorite meal? Well, it's pot roasted in vegetables. Well well, that's easy. Like you should eat that all the time. Yeah. Eat that more. Right. So I would say, um, I really encourage the husband to get on board.

Uh whatever you're doing, get the whole family doing it. And you know what I've seen dozens and dozens of time? The whole family benefits. the whole family gets better. Yeah. And I hear the stories. The the the the g the gal comes in for a follow up. She's like, Oh my gosh, my husband, his headaches went away, his knee pain went away, he's got more energy and like he didn't do anything. All all he did was change the diet.

You know, she changed the meal she was making. That goes back to when you asked me the top three things. I have to say number one is food. And the diet we're eating. Yeah. Because you you can see huge shifts and huge changes in people's health and their energy and how they feel. just with a simple diet change. And then the kids, of course, the kids are gonna benefit too. And if you can model that for your kids, whatever you model for your children, if you do it in a healthy way.

then they will continue that into their adulthood and with their families in the future. And then this becomes a generational blessing, right? That we are we are stewarding our entire family. So what's neat about it is sometimes one person being chronically ill can end up changing an entire family.

Yeah. And I think that is one of the amazing ways, you know, um, that God blesses Even in the difficulty, even in the stressful times, and you know, the Bible talks about, you know, God's gonna work everything out for the good.

of those that believe in Jesus Christ and are called according to his name, you know, like he's gonna work it out for the good. We don't always have to know all the ways and and how that's gonna work out. But that's one of the ways that I see is when one of the family members is struggling with chronic health issues and everybody gets on board.

They all benefit and and so that's an amazing thing that Let me tell you a quick story real quick. I had a couple in here. Yeah. And it was it was about the wife and the husband was here.

And they were both on board. He was totally on board. He just he loves his wife and he just wants her well, but he was also like kinda into the the natural health thing. So we're talking to her, we're actually going over all her lab test results and we're like, hey, you know, these are the things that showed up. This is what I think we should do. And uh

She was saying, like, hey, husband, you you you're next. Like you need to get in here next. And he's like, oh yeah, absolutely. Like I I need to get in here next. And you know what I said to them? I said, whatever she does, you do. Whatever diet changes she makes, if I have you do a parasite cleanse, if I have you doing uh like a liver gallbladder flush, like whatever she does, you do. Because chances are That after six months

He's gonna be doing so good and feeling so well. He might not even think he needs to come into me anymore. And then it just saved a few thousand dollars. Absolutely. But for some reason, when you pay the money, you're much more likely to stick to the things, you know. This is true.

There's a lot to be said about that. Be in be invested. Okay, I spent money on this, so I'm going to do it. There you go. And that's so true. I mean I I struggled with that for a long time. I have a very generous heart. I want to give everything away. And then I find out when like Somebody gets something for free, they don't actually really value it or appreciate it or follow through. And that's a a lesson you have to learn, you know, when you're uh a business owner.

With my with my podcast alone, I mean, I've had enough guests on. I've shared enough where you could make a huge impact in your health. many, many, ni many times over and it's all out there and it's all free. Totally. But because it's free, you know, like very few people are gonna do you know, do the

what it could do with the information, but if they paid money for it, you know, then that would totally change it so often. But they want that personal guidance, mentorship, you know, and and that's a good thing.

We we need that. Coaching accountability there is. There's a lot to that. So thank you so much for joining me. Such a good discussion. Conversation went a lot of different ways, but I think there was some value in there somewhere. I think somebody could find value in there somewhere. Oh, I think they will. I do too. So thank you thank you again for uh joining me and uh hopefully we can catch up again sometime soon. Sounds good. Bye bye. Remember, your health is a journey. Keep exploring.