There are 12 core out finding features that's in the course that I look for when I trying to find out. Oh, for example, so many dudes tell me all the time, hey, I look for North slopes. I'm like, yeah, me too? For archer. Archer tree season North slopes. Maybe Northeast, maybe Northwest. Facing. Right? And they're like, I just find more out consistently on those slopes. I'm like, yeah. I...
There's reasons for that, better moisture, hoo temperatures, less buds, There's lots of reasons, but they're not always on the. The cast is power by On x Hunt and for good reason. On Hunt is the number 1 hunting Gps app in the industry. Stay tuned for a broadcast promo code. Powered Alright, everyone. We made it to another Tuesday. I'm Sam Weaver. Host up today's Tips Tuesday. A short segment covering rock slide dot
com tidbits. Hunting news from across the west, which with just a sprinkling of tips and tricks to keep you well informed for your next adventure. I don't know where you all live, but this July is a burner, and it seems like when we get rain, it's a whole bunch of all at once. I've been dealing with flash flooding, mud slides. And down rocks at work, and it's been really
impacting my scouting. As I turn my attention to East scouting on my lunch periods, I quickly realized I needed to up my game, and that's when I started hearing all about this es scouting program. So let's jump right into it. Today's feature guest is marked let us say like a lot of listeners, Mark spent a ton of time each fall commuting to Elk country. With limited opportunity for boots on the ground, mark docked head first in the East
scouting. Over the decades of trial and error, mark has collected what works, and more importantly, why it works and compiled all that information into Tree line Academy. So without any further ado. Welcome to the show, mark. Say T Sam's good to be on. We've been trying to work this out for a while. Our
schedules are... You would take the summertime would be a lot easier, but you like, caught me like at the worst moment if everything it was going on, and Anyway, it's been crazy, but I'm glad to be aren't really glad to be on. Yeah. Me, too. It's the perfect time to catch up with you there. Ta to you Scouting. I mean, now is the time to to get prep for... Archer season even into gun season. It's funny how Sam you said it. Right? Now is the time. To be honest, June would have
been a better time. And Archer July is still not too late, but you wouldn't believe this, but my number 1 sales month for my course and for my toolkit is August. Which is me, I'm glad to sell courses, but August is a little late in the game. If you're thinking about planning Elk outcomes and it's August, you're not too late to the party, but you're getting really late in the game. If you're going to do it at a in at at a very high
level... You we talked about this red for We jumped On, Sam emma, You signed it for my course, you got in there and you've immediately looked at how many hours that it was and you're, like, holy crap. And I get that all the time. And I guess my best advice is, you know, if you want something that summary that doesn't get into the details and doesn't get into the weeds and doesn't go through every little single detail. And probably my course
is not for you. But if you wanna improve your odds to fighting out, if you want to take your success rates up a little, if you live for the days, you get to Hunt elk, and you wanna make sure you go into the mountains as prepared as you possibly could be that guys, the details matter. I mean, every... All the details matter. You know, I say this all the time. I was just at the wizard I I was saying. And 1 of the things I hear... That I say all the time is there's only 2 ways to become a
better a o'connor or owner. It's experience or its education. You gotta be more knowledgeable or you gotta gain more experience well. If we hunt 10 days a year or 14 days a year or 7 days a year, that's the only experience window we have. And when you look at guys, like, myself, which I'm lucky. I'll be honest, but I don't class myself is a is a great Western Honor. I'm I'm good, but I'm certainly not great. But let's look at somebody like Ryan Lamb. A lot of people know who probably 1
of the better owners in North America. The dude gets to hunt. We battle it out each year for who wants the most days. So he hunts a hundred days a year. If you punt a hundred days a year and somebody hunts 10 days a year, they get 10 times more experience than you do. So you'll never catch up on the experience curve, but where you can cut the gap is expanding your knowledge base. And that's kind
where I come in. It's trying to teach guys how to use technology, how to look for certain feature to define Elk and create some tools that can help them, maximize the technology tools that they already at like Google earth Pro and other applications. So that's kind of where my niche niches and that's kinda of where I focus on. Well I gotta tell you 1 of the reasons that I signed up for your classes shoe part. My dad drew a great Elk tag in Utah here. I'm familiar with the
unit. But it makes me a little nervous that, you know, I went to scout it, actually this past weekend there, and I went to all the places I already knew. Like, I already know that there's out there. I find myself, like, in a rut. I'm like, I gotta try to break out of this thing and and instead of looking where I know A are, try to find places where... So do a little prospecting, you know? Well the other thing is... Not.
I drew a Wyoming note tag. And now that I'm so focused on trying to help my dad, get 1 of these limited entry, Utah tags because they're so special like neglected Wyoming altogether. So I have, like, 3 spots in Wyoming. And as you know, 3 spots, might as well have no spots. If you've got 3 spots, you need to make sure they are fully developed in my opinion. I mean, you gotta know everything there is a no about those recent. Spots. If you're gonna go in with 3.
Which I would be afraid of 3. If I spent the time, and I really felt like I have fl out bots every angle of those spots. But like your like your dad spot, You know, let's back up to that. I hear this all the time. Well, you know, I've been hunting hundred and 20 elk for 20 year in market. You know, I got a lot of experience, but, you know, we've always had elk camp. We always go to this spot. My grandfather out there. My dad had
there. Eye on there. And... But now it's just not what it used to be, or I'm not finding elk, like we used to or whatever you're all the time. Well, if there's anything I'm good at, Developing new elk spots for 2 reasons. Number 1, I'm originally from Missouri. Okay. So I spent my first 26 or 7 years elk cutting. Traveling from Missouri out to the Western states. 27 years not in a row. I missed 2 years about cutting out of those 27.
And then the past 10 years, I've been living out here, and so I've been immersed in it. Well, but not only did I have to learn how the You've got because I was traveling, but more importantly, is I never have the same place twice. I rarely... I I could count on 1 hand. There's been 1 place. I've been to 2 or 3 times. And that's because I took my son and and my wife in there, and I knew we could get on Elk immediately. But when it comes to my hunting, I'm a new
guy. I love glass screener. I love developing new places. I love going to new places. Now my honey partners get all kinda worked up about it. Like, we went to this plot spot. It was incredible. And they're like, hey, next year. We're gonna do this. This I said, no. No No. We're not coming back. We're not coming back. But they're, like, what? I'm like, oh, that's not the way. I don't play that game. We hunt it.
It's over. Now we move on. So if I'm good at it, and it's because I'm constantly developing new places for 30 years I've been doing the same thing. And in most years, I have somewhere between 3 to 5 lt techs. So with multiple states at play, multiple tags and hunting only new spots You have no choice, but to get better at it. So really, that was the impetus behind the creation of this this system that I have, and really, to be honest, the reason I created it. You know,
odd I... Because I get to run this podcast a little bit, but I'm pretty technology, and that was 1 of the things that really stuck out when I heard you talking in a different podcast was that if you're using 1 app, then you're really handicap yourself and note. And I use 1 app. I obviously Von x, they're a sponsor this podcast. But I I was like, what am I missing here? And then, you know, you talk about Google Earth, while I haven't used Google Earth, honestly, in about
10 years to even look at anything. Oh, really torque my interest of. Oh, what you're making me... What am I? You're making me cry here. So I'm just gonna be bold? Could I be bold on this podcast? Oh Yep Yep. If you're a Western, and you're not using Google Earth pro to its maximum capabilities, you are automatically. I mean, automatically, no exceptions every time guaranteed you're at a disadvantage. I mean, you are in a huge
disadvantage. Not just a little dis disadvantage for lots of reasons, and it's not just because it's another app. There is no aerial imagery better quality than Google. 3 d, there's no 3 d better than Google Earth. The rotation, key strokes, nothing's better. The elevation exaggeration, the terrain capture, nothing better. The historical, being able to look back at the dates of the imagery. No other app has it. The profile analysis for
root planning. For looking at glass spots for view shed, for doing fly over drone tours. Most people don't even know that Google does these things But most importantly, what Google can is it can accept third party datasets. So in my datasets sets, for example, that I built, I have 4 different levels of top maps. I have all the fires for 40 years. I have all the catalog allot, all the road, all the public lands, all the unit boundaries everything, is it been included
into Google. So you can have 2 monitors open, Sam, you can be looking at On x, which Guys. 90 80 percent of people use On it. It's a great app. Great app. I use it, but it's it's 1 tool in my toolbox, though. 1. And Google earth is another 1. But the thing about Google Earth is you can't take it in the field. Right? It's only for pre hunt work. It's only for east scouting. It's only
for hunt planning. And then you gotta make sure your data is lined up in your hunting app before you go into the, you know, offline type environment. But I just wanna emphasize this that people have kinda gotten away from Google Earth because all these apps have made things easier, and I'm just gonna use it. Well, that's fine. You can get it done, saying you can get it done and was just at the Western Hood, and I
said, it's good enough. It's good enough. Now, when it comes to Elk cutting, You know what good enough is, I that's a 6 percent success rate. In Montana, Archer Diy public plan is about 6 percent success rate. That's good enough. I don't wanna be a good enough elk color. I don't nod. I I hope to kill an elk every year, but I don't would just be honest. Now most years I do, but there's a lot of years I haven't. But if you wanna not be in the 6... You gotta quit
acting like 6 percent. Meaning, if you wanna be average, keep acting like average Joe cutter, and the average jail cutter in my opinion is singular app focused or what I call 1 dimensional. They use 1 app, they learn a few basic things and they get by and it's good enough. But like you just said, Sam, your dad's got this special tag. So you've been working on now you've got this Wyoming situation. And I feel like you're kinda in the good enough stand right now. Right? Oh,
it's good enough. But just with a little bit of work, and you don't have to make this crazy. But with a little bit of extra work and learn how to use some of these tools, you can really expand what you're doing. From home, you know, guys always say, well, I like boots on the ground... I do 2 guys, but here's the reality. If you go for a weekend, a boots on the ground like you did maybe did for your dad. You're gonna spend 2 or 3 days. You're gonna cover so many miles, and that's
it. Right? If you took the same amount of that you spent on that trip, day and night, the hours that you spent, if you transform that to east counting only and using some of the techniques that that... That I talk about, you would be miles ahead. And where you'll ever be boots on
the ground. Now in order to do that, you have to use some specialized tools like you have to have the best imagery available You have to have the best top geographic scanned top maps that are available, and they are not available in on x. I'm sorry. They do not have the best top grabbing map. And they certainly do not have the best area imagery. How many times have you looked it on and scenes snow. I wish they get rid of that, but it's a
fact. But When it comes to public lands, It comes to private lands and it comes with motor vehicles. They are the king. Audits is the king in some of these components. Right? But others, they're good. The guys don't get me wrong. The image quality is good. The top map is good. But remember what I just said. That's good enough. But it's not the best. And when it comes to evaluating spots, I want the best because I know we're behind the gun when it comes to
success rates. It's it's very difficult to kill it out with the bow arrow, especially if you cannot find elk. I don't care how good a shot you are, I don't care how fit you are. I don't care how many days you have. I don't care about any of that. If you lack the ability to consistently find elk. You're not going to kill out. And that's really the the crux for a lot of hunters. They get super fit. They should bose every day, which pay. That... That's all important. But it
means nothing. If you can't put yourself in a place that has Elk. Well, like I said, I know for me, most of the time I could find Elk. The real question is. And I have a spot. Every time I go in there is Elk. But that spot not gonna... If another guy's in there, they could blow that whole spot out. Then what am I gonna do with my dad? You know what I mean? That's what I'd say guy wearing out, like, they're... I gotta do something different. Just to have the confidence
level going into that. I mean, don't put all your eggs in 1 basket, I guess. That's right. So so many guys do that. Like, and there's nothing wrong with that guy, You know, there's nothing better. You know when I told you I'm a new spot guy. Right? Well, that's 1 of the reason I don't kill out every year. I'm just gonna be honest with you. When I'm developing new place every year. I never learn it. I never historically learned it. I only learn it
digitally. And I go in and a hunt, I find out every single time but not maybe not every time, but the point is very consistently, but there is something to be said for learning an area and becoming, kinda 1 with it. Like you said, you know place that you can go and you could find out. Guys, that's a great way to hunt out. And that's a very successful way to hunt out. That's just not my way. My way is I love the adventure say I love going to new country. I love
seeing new new things. That's just my personality. And... But if you take my approaches, to develop new areas and you apply it to your scenario. So you have backup pump plans at secondary hunt plans, or maybe you wanna try a new spot for some reason, maybe you're seeing bulls and you got plenty of help, but maybe you're just not finding the 3 fifties or you're not finding a 03:60 or You're not whatever. Maybe you don't really care. Maybe you just want to meet,
everybody has difficult different objectives. But if you're trying to develop a new spot or you're trying to maybe increase your ability to find more out more consistently. That's maybe where some of my tools and tactics come in. Why don't you take the opportunity right now to just kinda walk us through in your program? I know we kinda handed that it's that it's all encompassing, But Just kinda give us the the chapter titles, I guess, and give us kind of an idea of what's in
there. Okay. Well, let's just do this. I think the best approach is. I've looked at my course and I see which modules guys are taking and which ones are skipping. Right? I... It shocks me every time. Right? So the first thing in my course, and I'm actually work on Version 2 right now because you know the technology world. Everything changes is so freaky fast. So a lot of the stuff that's in there related to the different apps. Needs to be updated and I'm working on
that. And I've got new tools. There's new tools that have come out. And I've developed these tool kits. Sense it's come out. So but let me back up. So when it really comes down to what everybody said, well, how do I find more out? Well there's a lot to that and the course covers it beginning the from technology, all the tools to zones of pressure, how hunters are gonna be using your area, to the elk finding features to through custom markup, and then finally preparing a written written hot
plan. It kinda goes full scope, but the core of the course And this is probably the most important kinda takeaway in the time we have that I could share with you is there are 12 core principles. That I use when it comes to finding out. And I'm gonna pull up my slide. I was actually... I'm working on my presentation right now, for the Elk tour that I got coming up in boise this coming weekend. There are 12 core elk finding features that's in the course that I look for
when I tried to find out. Oh, for example, so many dudes tell me all the time, hey, I look for north slopes. I'm like, me too. For archer. Hearts tree sees north slopes. Maybe Northeast, maybe Northwest facing. Right? And they're like, I just find more out consistently on those slopes I'm like, yeah. I... There's reasons for that, better moisture, cooler temperatures, less bugs. There's lots of reasons, but they're not always on the north. Slope. Now, North slope is 1 of my prime features. I'm
just gonna be honest. I'd like North slope for that time of year, but it's only 1 of the... It's not even 1 of the 12. It's 1 of the segments of the 12. I'm gonna run through those 12, but I wanna give you an example of that slope because I hear guys say that all the time. I love north slopes. Or I like to have... I like to find benches. Well, me too, but they have to be certain benches, not just a bench. Other guys like, I love to hunt Elk fire. You know, I like historical fires that are
3 years old or whatever. I'm like, sort lie, but they have to be they're part of the 12. They're not singular. Just because it's a fire doesn't mean I'm going hunt. So what... What I mean by that is, I'm looking at all the access points in the area. They have to be at a certain pressure volume that I'm that I like. I like to hunt less pressured out. That doesn't mean you
can't hunt pressured elk can be successful. I like to hunt less pressured out, So I spend a lot of time and the 3 core elk finding features in my course are related to pressure. Says point evaluation, established trail use. Evaluation, and then a complete pressure zone analysis. I teach the manual method in the course, but I'm getting ready to introduce the digital method because there are some tools now that we're not available 4 years ago that allow
you to do it. So what that basically does, those first 3 breaks down a hunt area, and it helps you visualize where the pressure is going be coming from and how they're gonna use that area. And everybody's like, how do you do that? You'll be shot at some of the simple tools are available that will help you do that. The high resolution imagery that's available. You can't do it in on x, you can't do it in gaia. You can't do it and
go on. Can't do it Spartan. You have to do it in Google Earth pro because you need that ultra high resolution imagery. So that's the first 3. Then I have meadows of feeding. So plea help like to use meadows. They like to have openers for beating. So that's 1 of the important features. I have 12 rules. Well, actually, I'm sorry I have 10 rules that I follow for meadows. That's in that section. Hence Creek and dr obsolete, canyon and drainage are important to out,
well only certain ones. And how do you those those ones? That's 1 of the 12. The fires. That's another. We just talked about fires and logging areas help love those areas, but it's only 1. Beetle kills, elk glove beetle kills, but they like certain aged beetle kills. They don't like mature beetle kills where the tree stacked up like cord wood. Now they'll use them in high pressure situations. But if all things being equal, they do not
like that stuff being edge habitat. I mean, I'm really big on edge habitat, but it's 1 of the 12. I look for edge habitats and I look for the features that are attracted to help in those edge habitats. Benches. We talked about that just a second ago. I look for benches, and they have to have very specific features for me. They have to be on the right slope angle, and they have to have the right steep below them and above them. And they have to be the right
position on the slope meaning above halfway. When I find beach binge benches that meet the criteria, I get real excited about those, because those are really, really solid historical use features for l. Slope orientation. We talked about that north facing northeast, northwest facing slopes. During archer, maybe a little more south facing during late season. I also focus on the steep. Helped prefer certain steep about 20 degrees. They're very dialed in that
steep. So I I spent a lot of time looking at slope steep in my area and finding pockets that are in the ranges that Elk, all the studies that have been done show out prefer this certain steep. And then I looked for elevation I isolate elevations that the oakland wouldn't be at at the time of year I'm hunting. So that's all included in that 1 those slope segments. Out and funnels like, you know, obviously, they they'll do you saddle and funnels and travel
corridors. That's 1. And then finally water, I don't spend a lot of time on water in most on areas. If I'm hunting Wyoming in most parts of Wyoming, Idaho, Montana. I don't really worry about water all that much real because they could find it and they know where it is. But it states like New Mexico, Nevada Utah maybe in some areas. Water is a big deal. And so water becomes more important in some areas. But so to recap, those are 12 of the things that I evaluate every hunt area for.
And what I'm looking for, is areas that have multiples of those. For example, if I find an area that matches 6 or 7 of those 12, I get very I know for sure I'm gonna find out there. But if I find only... If I'm looking only at North slopes. I get a very good chance Of not finding out to be totally honest with you. If I only get singular focused on slope only. But when I look at the right meadows, I look at the right canyon, I look for the right benches and I find the right slopes.
And it's... Maybe it's the right beetle killer, or maybe it's the right fire, and the pressure is, it meets the standards. All these things combine, to what I call stack the odds in
your favor. And that's really the core of my course is taking these 12 core out finding features and teaching hunters how to stack them up or how to evaluate them in certain areas so that they're putting more they're increasing their odds of running into L. You know, I read a study 1 time that said that L only in inhabit, 10 percent of the habitat, that is acceptable for l. So in the west, D percent of the area that's perfect for l. Perfect. Doesn't have l. It's crazy to
think about that. Only 10 percent. And it's... I has found over the years that it pretty relates to these 12 core finding feature. Now, I'm not, you know, I'm not saying I know everything about it. I'm just saying that over 30 years of hunting the way I just explained. I have found Elk... And just about hundred percent of the places I go, I wouldn't say a hundred let's say 90 because I really am dialed to these these
12 core features. And when I try to shortcut it or I try to go for just because it's a fire or just because it's a beetle kill. I... I always am... Not always, but I always find that it's not as good as I thought it would be. But when I find places that stack up. And have 678 of these even. You're never gonna find a place that has... It's not gonna happen. It's the holy grail of oli grail. It's not gonna happen, but you certainly are gonna find places that get 78888
of these features. Does that make sense? Well, yeah. And I I think, like, that's for a lot of people that come from the Midwest and only get 7, maybe 10 days you know, elk countries intimidating because it's so big. Right. And I'd like the way that you just put it. You know, to me, each 1 of these 12 things is a ring on the target. Right? So when you get 1, you throw the ring down, the more you get the more rings you throw down and the tighter that area gets and
the tighter gets, so the more... You stack on there, the more likely you aren't to busy route into that area. That dude... That's exactly right. I didn't say it that way, but you're... What you're doing is you're taking a potential hunt area and you're evaluating it for these features, but you're also going 1 step further by marking and labeling. These features with certain icons and colors. Right? Your screen, which I talk a lot about, called custom markets. Your screen starts just speak
to you Sam. It becomes obvious where you need to go. Does that make sense? You've got, like, all these features and they're all clustered, over here in this part, You're like, well, that makes sense. That's where I need to start, and it just starts to speak to you if you you take that approach now. If you just drop see of random, red icons, and you don't take the time to use icons or colors or have any methodology. It's just a see and when you look at it, it doesn't
speak to you. It doesn't give you a visual representation of what you're looking at. So... That's a whole another chapter in my court... That I've spent a lot of time on custom markets, colors, priorities, and icons. And a combination of those 3 are a big key to my hunt planning, and and he's getting work. Because I wanna look at the screen, and I wanted to tell what I'm looking at, I don't wanna just to be ACA orange where ACA red. And and so there's a whole methodology to that
as well. But your your analysis is exactly right. We are just... We're pitching down a hunt area to hopefully get zeroed in on very specific areas that we wanna look at first. That doesn't mean we're not gonna go over to some other areas that have maybe less features, but we certainly wanna start with areas that have the most features. The more they have better the odds of running into Elk at least in my experience. Alright. We wanna plan the odds times limited. You know,
you go their best spot first. You grind your way through it. I mean, anything can happen too. You don't know. You could have a fire. You could have somebody else that's in your spot before you get there. It can be super frustrating, you know, public land, no holes barred. Like I said, for me, personally, I look forward to just that technology aspect of, you know, learning how to put these pins on their, color coordinating because I could tell you right now, that's not something
that I'm good at. Right? Like I that's 1 of the things that I struggle at. Here's the thing, Chad. I'm a, you know, I'm gonna say this earlier. This is what I went into with Hunter. You. I talked to a thousand hunters every year. Because of speaking and everything... And I hear the same thing. Man, I work on my bow. I work on my bow. I shoot every day. I do all this stuff. These dudes could hit a pie at a hundred and 20 yards every time all the time. And I'm like, okay. Why do you shoot
every day? You're already good. They love it. Right? Because mine used to do... I used to triathlon on Sam out of a great cyclist. Well, not... Let's not use the word great. Let's say that was a good. Let's say it was a good cyclist. Right? So I rode my bike all the freaky time. Well, guess what did not get better. My swimming and my running. Well, unfortunately, Triathlon is a 3 sport event. So I was I would get... I would tell everybody on the bike. But then I would get
killed in the swim and the run. And when I finally figured out that I need to quit writing so much and start writing and start swimming all of a sudden, I started becoming a whole new next level. Triathlete. And that's what I'm saying to you Hunters. So many hunters are caught up and getting fit. They're caught up and getting just being able to shoot the eyes out of snake in a hundred yards. Guys. That is great, but stop training your strengths, and start training your weaknesses. And I'm not
picking on your understand, but you're... You just self proclaimed. 1 of your weaknesses maybe is expanding your toolkit. Right? You want you need to maybe think about adding a few more tools to your toolkit. Keep on x. It's amazing. But add Google Earth, add Cal top. Add, you know, that maybe the Google earth, the
tool kits that I have. Add a few things they're gonna really take, your hot planning and the way you look at your hunt areas to a whole new level, and then maybe seek out some education to kinda how I kinda put this together and apply it to your historical knowledge. So I run into a lot of hundred same, like you that have a lot of historic. You have a lot of experience hunting. Right? Well, you you probably forget. Why when you look at an area and you know you can go find
out there, you don't really know why. You're just like Ryan Lambert. He looks at it and he like well, there's help there. Well why? I was asking him why because they just will. They're there. He doesn't subconsciously. You're you're evaluating it for a lot of things I just said. And you just don't realize it. You're looking at the low. If you're looking at the pitch. You're looking at the open terrain. You're looking at... You're just kinda making it the water, the how
more... The moisture levels. You're kinda doing it in your own way, but you're not doing it with the methodology, you're just doing it from experience, which is fine. But a newer person, a newer western hunter. That's where they struggle. Because this ain't White tell hunting guys. I spent a lot of years cheese in White tail and this is not White tail honey. So a lot of guys come out in White tail and they get very discouraged. Because it's very difficult to find elk as compared to find white
tail. Out, finding 200. It's white tail, not that easy. But Fighting Mite tel is not that hard. But Finding Health is not that simple for people that do not have experience at it. And so, most of the time when you talked to elk o'connor, they're always like, man. I didn't hardly see me out, or we just didn't run into help, or we just never heard of beat the whole time we were there or It must have not been the rut or it must... Or all kinds of reasons. The moon phase was this, or the moon
phase was that. Guys. The elk don't disappear on a full moon. Now, they get a little more difficult to deal with sometimes. You just gotta change your tactics a little bit, but they're still there, and they're still doing their yelp stuff. But you hear all these excuses. Right? And, it's mainly because they they kinda lack in the ability to find out, or at least they lack in the ability to break down areas. To find out or they get there and there's too many hunters.
Or they get there and there's too many of that? Too many outfitters, guys... That never happens to me I'm not saying this never happened, but I spent so much time looking at pressure. I look at trails. I find out where outfit camps are. I study the trails themselves to find out if it's horse, livestock or foot traffic. I look at every trail head. I looked for horse corral. I looked for parking spots. I look for how many parking spots. I look for the road
condition. I analyze the road condition from Google. I know so much about those trail heads when I get there. Feel like I've been there before. And that's next level evaluation. But if you take the time to do that level of analysis. I you're not gonna show up in very many places and be surprised with what's going on. Well what think the big thing for is like you just... Put the exclamation point on it, you have confidence
when you go there. And I think like that's part of it, like, you know, when I go to my spot. I'm confident I'm gonna see We're not prospecting, you know, you need to have that confidence to stick it out because it might not be the first, but you might have to roll around. They might bug that 1 or 2 days there. I love that word prospecting. You said it a couple of times. I'm almost steal that. I like that. That's a good word. I've I never really thought about
it like that. But you're a perfect example because you have these places that you can just... Hit hit hit. And you know you found out here before, and guys elk hit perpetually and historically used the same areas unless something changes, like you said. Pressure, maybe a new outfit or leases that gets that air.
And whatever happens. Some habitat changes. Like you said a fire draws the there's a fire near by that draws the over there, or there's a beetle kill becomes too extensive and they move out, especially like in Wyoming god there's so many beetle kills. Right in Wyoming to Colorado going on right now. Right? It's gonna change. Telling you right now, guys, in Colorado and Wyoming. The landscape for Elk is gonna change over the next 10 years dramatically.
Because of Beetle kill. Western fires are are doing the same. So you have to be able to adapt, and, the spots that we historically have gone to to find out, may not always produce like they have. Or if you just wanna develop a new spot or you're new at it. You know, you... You've got a really... You're a really blessed situation where you have these places you can go, and you could check them off the list But I don't find out here. I can move on to plan b plant seats. A lot of
people don't have that luxury. So there's kinda a couple ways to look at it. Right? Your hunting places that you historically know how elk, or I like to place I've never been to before because I like the challenge of working all this scenario and roll it in there in the middle of the night, in the next morning. I'm on help first day. That's where IIII almost live for that. And me and my llama roll into a spot in the dark, know how long it's gonna take me to go down that trail.
I know how long it's gonna take me to get that classic spot a. I know I'm gonna get there 30 minutes for daylight. No question. I've already looked at the trail. I know I'm gonna be there, and I know I could stay late because I've already got the route plan, and I've never been to this place before. I've never even driven to the trail. So I just love that. And it's really what
floats my boat. Yeah. You're super passionate. Like I said, you know, for me, having spots that consistently produce is a handicap in a lot of ways. And look and like I said for 1 of the big things. I like to know what other guys are doing. Right? Like... Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Well, I what I do works for me until it doesn't. Right? Than what I gonna do. Just take the rest of the season off. No. I
need to have something. I need to know, you know, you need to be evolving as a hunter, especially in this day and aid with the technology and everybody else, knows how to use Go hunt. They know how to use these multiple apps. They all this stuff and here I am 1 trick pony here, and that's what really makes me super nervous. Well, you say that, though, Sam in reality. I talked a lot of hundred. I told you that. You would not believe what I say, hey, Raise your hand if you use on x.
Everybody, obviously, everybody raises their head. I'm like, raise your hands, you go to the mountains with 2 apps every time, and literally nobody. There might be 1 or 2 guys. There's very few that are actually doing it and if they're using On x. Okay? I find out that they're not using all the capabilities of On x. They're using some of the capabilities. There are some... Those... Especially if you're elite member of On x, they've got these
elite tools in there now that... Train management, train modulation. They've got a whole bunch of features in that elite package. Properly all kind of layers. It's killer stuff. Right? Really, really good stuff, But very very few dudes, I'm finding or really taking the time to learn how to use it. And even if they learn how to use it. I think what's missing is why do I need to use it? Why do I need to use it And how do I apply it? What's it mean
to me? Why is it important? To be able to look at health a certain elevation zone. Why is that? Why is isolating a certain slope steepest? Why is that important? Because of what I mentioned before, prefer certain steep. It's been documented over and over and over again. There's been so many studies done on it. Habitat. Beetle kills, fires, slope orientation. All these things have been studied over and over on Elk multiple different western. States. And it's very very, very applicable to
elk. And once you kinda start learning some of that stuff, you could start applying it, and I feel like when you could kinda work that all together, they And... But a lot of people learn how to use their tools, but they don't learn how to really use their tools. So there's 2 problems here saying Want is 1 dimensional. But 2, not even taking the steps to learn all the features of the tools. Like, a lot of guys me I'll tell... Well, I wanna use 2, but Man, moving my data from 1
to another. It's just... I don't know how to do that. And that's 2. Guys exporting and importing data is so freaking simple. It's... It... These apps make it simple. It's Google Earth makes it. Crap. Simple. You just need a little education to be able to do it. If you think about it, every tool that you use is web based. Right? Every tools is web based, meaning browser based meaning Safari or Google, or, I'm sorry, Chrome or whatever you whatever browser you're using,
except, for Google Earth Pro. Google Pro is a standalone application, but that's the only application you're actually using The rest of the tools are all browser based. So it's not super complex. Most guys just need a little guidance on how to use the tools and more importantly like I said, Why do they need to use the tools? Why and what makes it important? And when do I need to use it? That's really what my course does if anything? Is it kinda covers the why and the
how. What, to be perfectly honest, you know, the big selling point for me was? Don't know whatever. It was, I bought the toolkit to as a hundred and 50 bucks or some... Something right in and you're not and you're not even using them because you said you don't even use Google. I I'm telling you, Sam, right now when you get off this freaking podcast, you install those toolkit and you start clicking it, and you click around for 10 minutes, and then you send me a message.
And you tell me, hey, these aren't as these aren't as cool as you think they are. I challenge you to send me that message. Once you installed you click around seat won't. This could do this. This this this this, and you need no training. You literally need no training. Use a single file. You put it in Google earth. That's it. And you open expand it. You just click around and turn on what you want. Turn on fires.
Turn on kyle. Turn on public lands. You turn on streams, turn on roads, turn on, like in Wyoming, for example, I've got all the Elk units. I've got the deer region. For non res. I've got the the new the new General regions are all in there. The new the new shed hunting zone for all you shed hunters. They're in there. That migration patterns, All the migration channels, all the migration zones, all the highway crossings for elk, all that stuff is all in those toolkit.
And it's just their waiting to be used. So it basically mimics well, it actually does more even than some of the apps, but it allows you to look at all the things you can look at, now, on x. In Google Earth. And what that does for you is you you get all the same features, but now you get the best imagery and you get the 3 d and you get to look at historic imagery, and those are overwhelmingly beneficial for western owners. When you're when you're
evaluating. Now, again, this is when you're evaluating. Areas. And then when you go into the field, you use your apps and fit. Now don't get me wrong. I run 2 monitors all the time, all the time, minimum of 2. And I have Google Earth on 1 and I have my hunt app. Let's call it On x on the other all the
time every time. And I learned how to cut and paste latitude long, so that you could jump right real quickly and Google Earth if he could jump to the exact same spot you're looking at in in on that, so you can do side by side comparisons So you can be looking at the data in Google Earth, which is different than the data that's in on x for especially aerial imagery. So that's the way I kinda do it. And then many times, I've got a third application or fourth application
open. You know, you you don't have to have a hundred tools. You know, I teach it in my core. I teach 5 tools that I feel like... You really... If you're willing to learn how to use 5 tools, you could really really expand your ability to find out consistently. Or develop new hunt areas like you said, branch out prospects as you call it. And if you if you if you learn how to use 3, that's fine but that's 5 is really... I think is next level. You know? So I kinda teach
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membership. Well, you know what I don't live too far from my hunt unit, but it's still it's even to go on a Saturday. It's the full tank of gas Turn back. You know what I mean? And for me, that's part of the appeal of of your system is for tank of gas, basically, I'm taking your course. That's guys. I and I I can't stress this point enough. There is nothing wrong, and there's absolutely benefit of driving over and checking out an area. There's no doubt about it. But you know how
many western can't do that. They don't live where they're hunting. They... They're hunting another state. They're coming from the mid... Whatever the case may be. So it's not very feasible to do that. And every day that they're doing that, they're wasting hunting days. They're taking vacation days that they should be adding on to their hot time, not... So scouting to. We haven't talked about that yet, but... I'm telling
you right now. You are better off to add more hunting days onto your hunt time, Than you are ever in almost every case to do boots on the ground scouting because the quality of images that are available, Google earth now, and the quality of top maps and contour shading and what they call light. This is new technology called Lidar imagery. They There's so many tools now that have changed the game when it comes to looking at
an end. And once you learn how to use them and how to apply them, you really limit the need to go Now, I'm not saying it's not beneficial. And you know, the sea go right now in June. Well, the elk not gonna be where they are in July eighth where... Well, they might be, but more likely not gonna be, where they're gonna be in September. So just seeing elk is not necessarily conclusive that you're gonna find out the same style on September fifteenth. And so there's no... You know, I'm gonna go
back to what I said earlier. If you took the same amount of time. It took you to drive over there, drive back and walk around. You'd be miles ahead, not to mention. I mean, I'm sure you're really fit and capable person, but you go over how many miles could you possibly cover? 20? Right than 5. I... You you can only cover so much. If only out early in late. Spencer right. In the summertime. You know, you're you're basically wasting the whole
middle part of the day because it... You went there in the dark and you're leaving in the dark, but what are you doing in the middle of the day? You're just looking at trade and you're looking at kind of... You know, just kinda looking around. Well, you can do the same thing. Now, maybe not exactly, but you can get p darn close with using, Google Earth Pro and really get dialed and it's really getting
in close and really analyzing the imagery. And knowing what you're looking for, like What does a beetle kill look like on a slope? What does an old fire that's not showing up? Look like? What does spa timber? You know, how how do I know if I can glass that timber or not? Is it spa enough? There's all these things we talk about in the pores and plastic. Okay. How many times of guys got to a glass spot. And they hike all the way up. There. They looked on their map. They look like
this is the best spot. And they hike up there. They spin it all morning getting there. They get there late. There because they didn't calculate how long it was gonna take them effectively. Anyway, they get up there and they can't see what they thought they could see. And happens all the time. Had you add to me even That doesn't happen to me very often anymore, but guys, there are 3 or
4 tools that you can run. They're called view sheds, and you could drop a pin on a slope on a ridge, and you could say it's from 6 feet off the ground, show me what I can see from right here. That tool alone is worth taking my course. I'm just gonna be on, learning how to use and implement. That feature is worth the price of admission. And I find almost nobody. That knows how to run it. Nobody knows how to use it? I can't believe it.
When I first built my course, I was shocked and how many people did not know that tool existence and it's available in 3 or 4 tools now. It's available in on x. It's not as good in on but it's available. Google Earth again is the king of it, but you can also run it in Cal. And there's reasons you would use the different tools for the different shit analysis. Dude that
is game changing stuff. If you're hunting an area, we're putting eyes on Elk is important, like let's say your spot and straw, let's say you're o hunting open country, you have to be in the right locations. You have to be on the best vantage spots that you can find in your whole hunt area. And I test every freaking glass spot. To see which 1 has the best view. So when I go there, I'm
only going to the best spots. I'm not messing around with the blasting spots that her sub par I'm only going to the ones that are the best possible views that I'm looking for. But I know before I get there because I run that shit analysis. On every glass spot I drop. Yeah. I just wanted to mention, I won't throw north Idaho, bear hunting. And I told the story a lot of times. But, you know, I'm from Utah, I just gained elevation,
try to see there. And, you know, if there was a clearing on my side, I couldn't see through the trees on the other side. That's right. There was a clearing on the other side. I couldn't see through the trees on my side. And it was super frustrating. It was almost claustrophobic 4 week to me coming from, you know, the high desert to some area of what that was that thick. So it was real burned a lot of calories getting to somewhere where I couldn't see nothing. Well, and that's
my point. So when it... I just I did a whole bear of this spring. Right? And glass is big for bears. Right? You cannot kill a bear if you can't see it. The odds of running into a bear in the woods and killing it is pretty slim. Right? And plastic is the name of the game when it comes to bears. In a lot of areas, unless you're banging or your hunting logging roads or things like that. But for us, glass is the name of the game. So the view shed is like, I run that you should so many times.
I mean, I wear my computer out run so many dogs. But when I get... In a a bare spot, for example, I got 6 or 7 glass spots that are absolutely freaking money. And when I climb up there, and I spend up my effort climb a 2000 feet. Up 58 years old. Sam, I do not wanna climb up 2000 feet unless I have to. And I'm glad to do it, and I'm a ashamed to do it, but I want I wanna do it once and I wanna be productive. So I spend a lot as hard testing glass spots.
And when I get up there, if I properly run the shit, I'm gonna go out a limb here. If I properly run my shit analysis. I am rarely if ever. Surprised. Meaning, it's exactly what I thought it was going to be. It's never, like, I can't see. The kids seem what I thought I could see because you know even in gentle rolling country, sam that's where it's even
more important. When the country's just kinda not super steep, you know how you can't get on a rolling ridge, and you can't see the bottom because the curvature of the rich or you can't you can't quite see because it's just it's it's you can't quite see all the way to the other side because there's a hill in the way. Or the train just kinda slopes to gentle, all these factors can really affect the view. And that's where that view shed. Shines, it manages just shines. And it wasn't built for
hunters guys. It wasn't built for hunters. It was built for cell phone towers. For views of big landscape building when they're trying to build a big skyscraper, and they wanna sell these pet house suites. They wanna know what the view is from certain elevation, from 700 feet up, or not 700 from 70 or 80 feet up, This is what you could see from there. Oh, that's a great. And then they run it over and over. Cell phone is, you know, line of sight. So which peak do we
put the towers on? That's really what this tool was built for. But why not use it for hunting. And you just gotta lower the elevation to 6 feet to human to human height. Right? And once you learn how to do it, But again, there's almost no literature about it? It's it's like a hidden feature. But once I found it, It was gained changer for me with when it came to blasting spots. We spend a lot of time on that, but it's a really good example of taking your hunt planning to the
next level. Yeah. For sure. We're running a little bit long here, and I appreciate you just jumping on here and given it to us. But the 1 thing I really wanna say that I learned from this podcast is, you know, just how passionate
that you are about this East scouting. But how much confidence that it gives you, and that's kinda what I'm looking for, the reason that I'm taking your course is so, you know, when I go somewhere and get boots on the ground, that's what gives me the confidence that continue to return to that spot. And to have that confidence, To be able to do that east scouting and know what I'm gonna get when I get there is it's a no brainer for me. Well, Same real quick. You might even
find. Some of the place that you have on some of your haunt that you found lots of Elk. When you start looking at them through a different lens, you might find some little hidden features, you might start finding some things that you might have overlooked even, and you might even start improving your ability to tackle some spots that you've been hunting for years. Like, you might find a better glass spot. You might find the best benches. You might be able to start
looking for some slopes. Like, that are kinda that you didn't really pick up on just looking at the top. There... It's a possible that you're gonna be able to flesh out your current spots even it's a little bit more thorough than maybe you have in the past as well. Well, I know when you were telling us the 12 things you look for? In your course, the the basics that you go to. I started just clicking them off in my mind in my favorite spot. It's
let's say up. So You know... Like I said, you've always looked for a lot of these things before just because you've got this experience, but you never really thought about making a list. Right? You've just kinda do it. It gotta you look up there. And you're like, or you walk around? It's like, it just makes sense. And I think that what I'm trying to do is take all my experience coupled with, other great guy... I I'm
also lucky. I I get spend time with some great Western hunters, and I'm c picking their brain. Picking their brain for all the micro things that they're using to evaluate. And a lot of my stuff. Here's my own, but a lot of it is comes from learning from other people too because I'm a student of the game, and I think you can tell you, guys. I'm like a sp when it comes to this kind of stuff. I'm I never for 1 minute. They I know everything about everything. I certainly do not.
But I am in it to win it, and I'm cost. Evaluating and testing new technology and where I can use it and what makes sense and being efficient. I wanna be an efficient western elk hunter. And so, you know, thanks for having me. I know we could go on for days. I'm sorry we were went long. I tend to have... You already mentioned that right when I got on. I tend to do that. So I'm sorry. Hey, no worries. Been a great podcast. That
people got more information. They wanna reach out to you ask you some questions where can they find you at. Pre line pursuits on Instagram is a great. You can kinda see what's happening. Opening in my world on my Instagram. But if you wanna read about the course and the toolkit kits and the new courses I have coming out, you can go to tree line academy dot net opening All of my stuff is on that website. You can get to every... All the pockets I've ever been on, including this 1 is organized
in the r archive on that site. So you can quickly get to anyone I've ever been on, been on over a hundred. And and then you could get to all my resources there as well. So that that Tree caveat dot net or my Instagram at Tree lamp Pursuits. Alright. And Jordan Bud did a review on the rock side homepage there for us A couple years back. Been long not a 2. It's been a long time. Up in the notes. So. Yeah. So well, I appreciate it, Mark. Thanks for taking the time.
I know you got me super excited to dive into this. It's Well, I usually don't say this, sam, but if you start running... I want you to give me a call or send me a to... If you start running, like, got a question about the tool or anything at all? Because I'd like to see how you... You're a good test case for me. These guys that have so much experience. And they think they got it all figured out, and I love to hear what they think. And so don't
hesitate. And and just in closing, I just wanna tell everybody, when you click on that, thing and you buy this course. You click on it. You open it up. Don't scare them off. Just take a deep breath and jump be Don't scare. Don't scare. People say. Alright. R. I appreciate it, Buddy. Thanks, Adam. Alright. With today's Tips Tuesday focused on scouting. I wanted to make some time to talk about trail cameras. Robbie Loving the Mo and
edge pro so much. I reached out to Molt and was lucky enough to get Mark Oli on the show. So welcome to the show Mark Yeah. Thanks for having me. Glad to be here. So I'm pretty excited. Why don't you tell us a little bit about the Edge pro? I know that was kind of the last year's release, but let's hit on that a little bit first. Yeah. So the edge pro, like you said, last year, we released that. The big deal with the hedge pro... So it was the second model out in our hand. Series of cameras. So
the year before we launched the edge. And I used that for context because the edge launched with some technologies that were brand new to to our cameras. Want being Auto connect. So what Auto connect does with all the edge series cameras is when you turn it off, it automatically searches for the strongest signal in the area. It works off the 4 major carriers. So the you're not pigeon hold into a carrier specific camera like they've been typically in the past. Somebody
competition has bills. Sam, things like that where you gonna pull a sim card out add a new. You don't do any of that. And you just flip the button on, hit scans, it finds it, holds onto to it, and that's what you're using. So that's been really helpful with getting service in areas where you may not know what's works out there. I know Robbie, that was 1 of the things he looked about it was, you know, it was put services an issue out west. And and he was able to to utilize
that in the back country. And so the auto connect has been huge. Also on all the edge Series cameras, there's no Sd card. So you don't have to buy 1. There's not a price it has internal memory in a. The big reason we did that is... The Sd card is kind of the weakest link to in people getting their images right? So we remove that, went to the internal memory, and it has made the the edge camera, any of the edge cameras the most. Reliable ones we've we've built yet. And so the edge pro,
which launched last year. And the big news with that, we put on the ultra mobile app launched sure images, go to the cloud and they're on the app. There is a technology built in On the half side. That way you can filter her through box, dos, turkeys, bears, hogs, people, vehicles. We got all kind of stuff a that you can use. We put with the edge pro. We put the Ai tech in the cameras.
So now you have the Ai on the front end, and what that allows you to do with the camera is you can target species or or select species and say hi. Look, I only want images, the box and da, You know, it's deer season. I I don't care about turkeys out I don't care about raccoons and all these other critters. I just want my buck and no images. So you can go into what's called smart tags. Click on that and what happens when the
edge pro will take a picture. It immediately scans it with that Ai and is saying is the target Feces in here. If it is, it sends it to you. If it's not, you never even get that image. So click out Windy days and the grass is blowing in your is getting blown up with all these images of nothing. Those don't even come through anymore. The camera still takes the motion activated image would it only send you what you want. So that's gonna cut down the clutter in your gallery feed on your
ass. That also will save on battery life over time because now all these images of nothing aren't being uploaded to the server, which is a big power consumer in a cell camera. So that's that's kinda That was kind of the big feature, but some of the other things built in on the hedge pro. It's got live. So when you're there at the... Tree setting the camera it will Bluetooth connect with your phone. And in the W mobile app, you did a live
video feed from the cameras. So you can move it left and right and see it in real time and know that you have that camera set. Just like you want it, you're gonna get the image you want. So that feature is is exclusive to the edge pro. We've also got something call smart zones in there. So when you think of smart zones, it's kinda like your home security system, you'll see for each image you have, it will take the latest image, and it super impose the motion detection zones on that image.
And you've have the ability to turn those on and all. And the reason you may wanna do that is you set your camera, you know, the winds blow under or whatever. You you always will get a limb somewhere that hangs down. Now that limbs blowing, and it's triggering your camera and taking these pictures of nothing again. You can go into the smart zones and turn the zones off outline that limb, and those will no longer fire for motion, but everything else is still
detecting and firing. So you get the animals as they come through but maybe, you know, that 10 miles in the back country, and you're not gonna be able to get to it for some time. You can just go in there and turn those zones off. Another time At... Comes in handy as the spring. Grass starts brewing, they start blowing in the bottom. You get all these triggers. You can turn those zones off and still have the animals. Come through. You know, those were some of the big features on the edge pro.
Now we've just launched the edge 2 pro. We got power and edge 2, which is the second generation of the original model and we've got an edge to Pro. It has all those same features built into it, but it's got some, upgraded features as well Now with the edge 2 pro and the edge 2, we have on demand. So now you can from the app. Tell the camera, I want you to take a image or a video, it will immediately do that and
then immediately send it back to you. So you can get you know, you can tell the camera when to take an image now. It's still gonna be motion activated, but you have the ability. Guys like to do that sometimes that maybe... Nothing's come out of camera in a while. Hey. Is that still working? They'll view a test image, it it comes through on demand. Other ways to you to utilize that is now dies in the east hunting food plots,
things like... Maybe they wanna see if there's any deer out in that plot before they again or and if there are, then they, you know, they know, hey. Don't I don't need to here now because I'm gonna sp off game. So on demands a new feature, the Edge 2 pro also now has... Gps filter in. So when you hang your camera off, it's automatically gonna pin you in the app section... I'm sorry. The map section of the app, So now those cameras you you'll have the pin on the map, right where that camera is.
And the the new edge 2 pro also has the the. Full Hd video in its. It'll take up to 20 second video clips with audio. So you get a lot really beautiful videos out of this camera of game coming by. You know, it's it's me because, you know, game are always making
vocal hospitalizations, things like that. And you get really hear a lot of that that you don't necessarily hear when you're in the field or or did a experience it up closed, so it really really kind of brings more to life using those videos, but those 2 cameras are are available now for purchase. You know, on on mo feeder dot com or anywhere vast pro, Cab Amazon. It's it's all over the place. So you can find that. Now. You pursue them. You cherish them, and now
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cameras is. I'll trim out out all the gains and then a limb will will drop in later, trying to find some more sunlight after I've already trimmed it out. So those zones... I mean, that's can be huge. Updating your to only get your target animal when you're way out there. I don't like to go back in there and drop batteries. I know Robbie lets his so go almost the entire year. So that No wonder he loves these things. I mean, there's just so much technology, and that on demand, I know when I'm
back east, Hunt and White towels. You know, they won't trigger the camera, but they'll be in the background in the food plot. So that does make a lot of sense. You know, they might cannot not be skirt in that tree, but they're still using that plot waiting the vacuum you could still see him. So... Yep. You guys are always pushing them lo there, Mark over there at Malt. Yeah. The... Well, you know, and that's what our team looks for is. How can we solve
problems for hunters. That that... That's that's what we hang to do. That's what the edge camera came out. That's why it's been such a big success. And you know, that's what we continue to build on and, you know, for the white tail guys that that live, you know, in the east and in states where you can actually use... Beater and and Bay. We've come out this year. It's available
as well with got. It's called Speed hub, but it's a cellular connect it's theater, and what that allows you to do in your multi mobile app, you can now see your beef levels in your feeder, you can see your battery levels, You change all your feeder settings from the app. You can even see it on demand to make the feeder go off when you want it to. So we're we're always looking for solutions to help partners. Now they don't have to go and open the lid and look in and say, I'm out of corn,
you know? Now you can actually monitor that remotely, which is not been a capability that's been out there before. So we're we're always pushing it inside the app is tons of features, I won't go into everything, but we have game plan, which is a forecasting model for deere movement. We have activity chart, which is Historical look back at what times were animals moving basically you on, temperature, time at day, things like that. So we we have full
mapping and weather features in there. So we pack everything in there so that a guy can plant his haunt. With 1 app, again, the multi mobile system and they're connected to their property or their hunting place and that got that intel that they need going in, you know, when they're ready to hot. Yeah.
That sounds super convenient, especially, I mean, western hunting is a lot of farther way travel, but that eastern honey, man, when you get up in there, those deer are super sensitive to where you're moving around, and that just makes a lot of sense to be able to make all those adjustments without half not to touch or or be right next to it there. Absolutely. It it's a huge different in white delaware world or things are more out close and personal.
That's for sure. Well, If anybody has any questions or wants to ask you about these products, can they reach out to you guys over there? Yeah. Absolutely. We've out ways on the website to reach out, multi mobile dot com, multi feeder. We've got a whole, you know, customer service department where we got phone number everything. Those folks are wonderful. They're they're there 7 days a week, so you can reach them on the weekends and, you know, that's that's another thing that we pride
cell on as our customer service. If there is an issue or anything like that. Our folks... They're ready to help and and assist and get that going. Alright, Mark. Sounds awesome. I look forward to seeing some of these pictures Robby Scott. I know you got these new edge pro two's going out to him. I'm excited to hear how he likes them at the end of the year. Absolutely. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for having us on. We appreciate it. Thank you. We'll catch up with you.
Sounds good. Alright. Moving on. No scouting episode is complete without talking ninja scoping. Nothing makes that. Experience better than sharing photos and videos with friends of family. We have caught up with a company. Everyone is heard of. Phone scope, phone scope was 1 of the pioneering companies of quick and easy attachment for your
cell phone, the spotting scope. You have the man himself, coach achieve, general manager, at phone scope to tell us what's new over there in Beaver Utah welcome to the show, Tanner? Hey, Sam. Thanks for having me. Excited to talk full scope and some history on calling what's going on? Yeah. So what don't you... Kinda just give us a quick recap of kind of the history you guys got going on over. Yeah. So we started the phone scope journey back in 20 12. Kind of a side project for a few
years. And then when he 15, we got busy enough, and I quit my job doing insurance. And the took this on full time. And, since then, we've revamped the case multiple times, we're really excited for the Carbon Pro that we launched this year. That's definitely been the the biggest upgrade, I would say. Over the years. So, yeah. It's it's been it's been a heck of a journey more than I thought it was gonna be, and we're we're hoping to push it another 10:12
years. Yeah. Awesome. I remember when you guys first came out. I mean, you know, basically, there was only a few other choices now, you know, there's there's a broad array. Everybody's... Jumped into the arena. So why don't you just take it straight into the Carbon pro, what's what's new over there? Sure. So the carbon pro, you know, starting off with the case itself gonna it's gotten the shock absorbing bumper on the corners that we've used on
our elder injected cases for some time. It's got Mag safe compatibility. About the Max safely on the back. So that'll work with few of our different mounts. Works with wireless charging. We've got a tripod mount so that'll attach to the leg of the tripod. So the foam case is right there in handy for you to use. But it'll also, you know, attach to a roll bar or your... Your E bike handle bar, your motorcycle. Then we've brought on a wireless charging dash mount, which I use probably the
most. I mean, anytime I'm driving in my truck, my phone's is charging and it's it's right there for me along with a a wireless battery bank, little charger your phone 1 to 1 and a half. Times, then a leather wallet accessory. I was been surprised. The wallet 1 was was asked for for many years. And, yeah. So we we brought that to the table as well. But to get into the digit scope inside of it with phones,
it allows you to adjust between lenses. So if you wanna dig scope with the 1 x lens or the 3 x lens, It makes it a lot easier to switch between those lenses now. So the carbon pro use, use the Mag safe mount on the back of the case, and you can just simply slide between the 1 x or I believe even the fx lens now. This the new iphones. 3X5X. The it'll switch between the wide angle and
the telephoto lens almost. But what's really neat compared to our older or original case is that you can slide it while it's on the optic. So you don't have to pull the phone off, slide the disc and put it back on. You can just simply slide it between those 2 lenses. So for me, when I'm scouting, generally looking long distances and I'm always using the telephoto lens. I feel like it works much better quality wise. When you're using an optical zoom versus the pension
housing. On a run x like you'll see with other companies. Carbon pro, the aluminum frame the carbon fiber back. It's super tough and it works really well when you're out of field digit scoping and just as an everyday case. Yeah. I was pretty excited. I know a lot of times when I get out there. I mean... Being able to hook the battery bank directly to the back of your phone and just put your phone away. Super convenient. I mean, that drew my attention right
away. And I agree with you, like, I mean, I could see where the wallet would be pretty handy, especially if you didn't carry a lot of stuff, but, you know, you always have your phone with you. So you just reach down and grab it and and it's on the way. And those things just come straight on and off just super quick. Yeah. Yeah. It's been really well received. And you know, we opened it up the first of this year for pre orders.
Recovering the iphone 13 and up, so all the iphone cases, you know, up to the 15 Pro max are available as shipping, galaxy, Amazon side of things, We're doing the s 23 and up. So the s 23 and s 24 are available now, and the ultra, the s 23 ultra and s 24 Ultra. That will be ready. Those will start shipping here in the next week. Oh, no. We've got, you know, most of those popular phones available and and ready to... To get going
for scouting season. And then the attachment to the spotting scope is pretty much your proprietary system that you've always used. If you've had 1 for your scope in your older systems, it'll work with the new carbon pro. Correct Correct. Yeah. So those c 3 optic adapters or the adjustable u 1 and 2. Those will work with with the new Card pro, fun scope cases. Yeah. Super nice that you did don't have to worry about that. I know 1 of the things that I have
from you guys. I don't even know how long I had it maybe 8 or 10 years is that bluetooth shutter. I mean, I still use that thing every every year, the convenience level of that is... Super great. But I've been surprised. You know, a lot of those things. They don't last the test of time and this thing's been been good. So... Yeah. And that that shutter button. It is also Covered with our lifetime warranties. If it, you know, ever takes a dive on, let us know and we'll send you a replacement.
Nice. On on the other side of things guys do a lot of stuff over there in Beaver Utah, talk about some of the other things you guys do over there. Some of your other lineup ups like, p Putt maybe for a minute. Sure. You Yeah. So Fire putt, I've we've even been working with that now for 6 years, waterproof proof fire starter. So if it gets wet, you know, you just... Ring it out, re expose the fibers, and and you can light it right up with the, you know, standard butane lighter
or a fe rod. We also sell rechargeable arc lighter that we'll get the pudding lit no problem. Our new elite lighter is blown the dark, so it's easy to find, but also has a compartment on the bottom of the lighter, so you can store your putt and it just makes a nice little handy fire kit. Nice little package. Yeah. A really nice little package What's new this year for P putt is our new fireballs. So instead of, you know, like a 2 ounce can where it's just a bolt package.
They come in, you know, basically, as you call pre assembled little balls. So you just pull 1 out. Expose the fibers and light it up. It it's a good size of burns for 6 to 8 minutes depending on conditions, but plenty of firepower to to even get wet, you know, wet tender lit for you. Yeah. I know Robbie uses it a lot. I really don't have too much fire. I try to hunt the early season where it's not super cold out most of the
time because I'm a baby like that. But for people that don't know and maybe haven't seen it, it's like a cotton ball, only the mixture that you soak into the fibers that aren't cotton, you know, it's similar, but it lights much more easier than that you could ever get a cotton white don't? Yeah, absolutely. And once it's lit, you know, it really it does a really good job of staying lit. It's also semi tacky, so you can put it on the end of a
stick. White or the underside of a piece of wood that you're trying to get lit, light it, and then it'll just kinda burn up through it. And so it's... Yeah. It's really handy stuff. Never expires you know, non toxic, so you're not gonna get get you sick. You know, if it does come contact with something. But the pirate putt works really well, super lightweight, you know, great for a pack or or in your glove box or, anything along those lines? It comes in 2 separate options,
summer and a winter blend. Why don't you kinda tell us why we would choose 1 over the other? Sure. So we've... We've actually got got the 3 different blends, So we've got summer that is a little bit thicker, and that stays in its putt form in, you know, desert type environments when it's really... Really hot. The the winner when it gets really hot, you know, well above a hundred degrees just starts to get kinda soft and
then mushy. But the winner is a is a thinner blend and that's gonna stay p, you know, well into 0 degrees fahrenheit. If not colder, It's really easy to just pull out of the can, take a piece and light it up, And our third blend is the spring and fall, which is just kind of a a nice mix between the 2. Here in Utah, that's what I like using, you know, just kind of takes me through all the seasons, except for, you know, maybe in January if I'm out running around.
Yeah. Those are the 3 different blends Yeah. Really, really great fire starter. Pretty inexpensive. It's good stuff. Yeah. I know Ronnie rave about it. I used it a bunch there. You know, a lot of places here in Utah. We don't get too much rain, so it's not super critical to have necessarily something until the later seasons. A lot of places you know, Pacific Northwest or so I'm trying to get a fire is, like, all you can do. It's a it's a seriously. Yeah. Absolutely. Man. It has been it's been a
dry 1 this year. I was up scouting this this weekend for an Elk tag, and it's... It looks like fire season is here too. It looks like the the beaver Beaver mount right up the above Is... Really couple different fires going right now. So it's if you do make fire, make sure you put it out. So that's what I'll say. Yeah. For sure. Anything else you wanna talk about there
why we still got you on here? You, over Rock slide members, do get a 15 percent off at phone scope dot com, and that's where we sell pirate putt as well. You so you can pick up if your new carbon pro as well as some p putt, promo code to use is rock slide 15. So and that'll get you 15 percent off, phone scope and p. 15, super generous forrest there, Tanner. If anybody has any questions or wants to look at more about your product can they find you guys at. You can find all our info
at phone scope dot com. And we're on, you know, all the social platforms as well Instagram, Youtube, Facebook. And even Tiktok now. Yeah. That's where you can find our info. Definitely reach out. Let us know if you have any questions. Alright, Tanner. I appreciate you making some time during your busy schedule and not taken us through your products. Yeah. Absolutely happy to do it. I look forward to
the next 1. Closing out. If you have any feedback on Tips Tuesday, or want to hear a particular topic or guest, please reach out to me at Sam at rocks slide. I put together a lot of effort and into making the show and want to make it something you enjoy listening to. Thank you. And until next time, this has ben Sam Weaver. With the help of sports men and women and concerned citizens, we can defeat the hunting bans here in Colorado. Go to save the hunt colorado dot com. Thanks for listening.