The first thing that you should ask yourself whether you're hunting early season or late season is what are my Ambient temperatures and what can I expect in that temperature range? For the way this meat is gonna transition from on the Car as to table for hair. And there's some magic numbers that we can all remember, and I think to keep it simple, we'll just we'll start at the lower temperature range. If we're gonna talk about early season hunting, an average good temperature would be
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First, we take a deep dive into the science of Me care, then we learn about sick, first light, fur, and sc gears, favorite pieces to keep us comfortable when the temperatures start to climb. So let's jump on in. Alright. Today's guest is Larry Bartlett, longtime time Rock slide member, but more importantly, Larry has been involved in the outdoor industry for over 2 decades.
Larry was innovative in the development and testing of synthetic game bags and created tag bags, still some of the best bags you can buy. Larry started Pristine adventures in 20 19 and helped hundreds of guys plan and execute our Alaskan adventures. Larry personal draw to Alaska back, country forced them to design, upgrade and revolutionize how pac are utilized to get hunters and their meat out of the remote wilderness. Larry has authored multiple books on the subject
and released a ton of informative videos. Larry has been focused on maximizing by country me care. And frankly, Larry has most comprehensive data collection on field conditions and meet temperatures, so he's definitely a meat care expert, and that's why I've asked him on today's Tips, Tuesday, Welcome to the show, Larry. Hey. Thank you. Appreciate that, Sam. Like we kinda talked about, I was trying to gear up a little bit for myself a little more of on this subject and I just felt, like
a freshman minute at college. Man, there's so much information that you've put out and pumped out there so much data you collected. And I truly appreciate and you know, just your focus on the main aspect of hunting for me, which is getting the groceries home. Yeah. That's a great way to put it. You know, To be honest, you know, even in the army, I always assumed the shit tasks, you know, like, I was a medic for the first 5 years in industry. You know, what am...
Shit jobs literally was filled sanitation, and I had to, you know, dick trenches and do the things that nobody else really wanted to do. And Guess I kind of excel at that. That appearance in the army, just let let me know that crap jobs are really
also important. And when I got into Hunting, Me care was kind of you know, nobody really had a lot of resources in Alaska about how to deal with me long term, and all of my experience was White tail hunting growing up, We never spent more than 3 or 4 days with meat, you know, in camp. We generally had a truck or a formula wheeler or something reasonably available for transportation, and we got in and got out with our animals and me care for that
reason was never a great channel at. And therefore, I didn't develop a lot of hands on skill set. But when I got to Alaska, 1 of the first things I realized and on the very first hump that I did, which was off of the road system. I drove in behind a... Yeah. Allison Air force space in the Yukon training area and fair banks,
shot my first moves in 09:19 95. He shouted at a mile and a half from the road straight down in Valley, and shot this nice little meat meatball who was only like, 500 pounds, maybe with just the leg bones and the rest of the meat, but it took us 3 days to get that animal, from that mile and a half point down in the valley back up to the road and all the loads. It was a task that I never wanted to repeat. So that winter I bought my
first inflatable boat. And I went down a Kmart and just got the shit, you know, rap that I could find, thinking that that would be just fine for Alaska rivers, and that in 19 95. Started my transition into understanding really what is hunting in Alaska and wilderness Me care. And over the years, it's just been a task that I've assumed so that I can educate the guests that I'm responsible before coming to Alaska to hunt. They're mirror images of myself 30 years ago, coming here with very limited,
extended me care skill sets. And so my... You know, that crappy job extended into my professional career, and I just kinda somehow became 1 of the meat care experts in the state. I don't mind the task, but it it does require a lot of diligence and, you know, prudent note taking and luckily, I just... That's just part of my Mo, so it was easy for me to collect
some of this data. The hardest part was to have all of the data and then reg it or break it down if you will dumb it down to an audience that, frankly, they're not scientist. They never will be their hunters. And they just need some basic skill sets on how to take care of me for 4 to 12 days. The 1 thing I noticed right off, and I have your books and I also watch your video matter of fact right before we did this.
But it said, bacteria can double in numbers every 20 minutes, and and every 10 degrees increase in temperature. So, I mean, that was just the difference between 75 degrees. Fahrenheit and 55 degrees. Fahrenheit is amazing. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And if we could simplify the conversation to just to give our audience, you know, the the best... Of the best 20 minutes of discussion, I would say, think of bacteria
as available, plentiful all over the environment. And as soon as you exposed to the skin and you you you see your your meat cuts. That's where your concerns began, and you have to start casting yourself. First and foremost, what's the ambient temperature? Most don't necessarily carry a thermometer, but we should have some means of identifying what our storage temperature will be
for the next, say 48 hours. So with bacteria they're interesting and really not really interesting thing about bacteria as it does double depending on... And we're not talking just doubling, like, literally, 1 cell becomes 2 and under a microscope, every 20 minutes, you've seen 3 cycles of this happen. And you can follow the life of a of a bacteria cell, but that still is an answer. Why why is
bacteria important? Which ones are harmful? What's gonna call spoil And what I can say about that is, if you have a bacteria problem on your me, the first way that you're gonna identify it is by smell. And to reach a level that humans can smell bacteria on meat, that means that it's in the billions of cells. Because what you're smelling is not, the bacteria itself, you're smelling all the off products or the the byproducts, the waste of the bacteria
as they'd multiply and live and die. All of those cells start to collect and sometimes it's slime. Sometimes it's within mold and slime. Sometimes it's just off colors, and it just has a funky smell and you're not quite sure. That's what you're do dealing with with bacteria because you you don't see the actual bacteria. You just see the the leftovers the
waste from the bacteria. The first thing that you should ask yourself whether you're hunting early season or late season is what are my Ambient temperatures and what can I expect in that temperature range? For the way this meat is gonna transition from on the Car as to table fare. And there's some magic numbers that we can all remember, and I think to keep it simple. We'll just we'll start
at the lower temperature range. If we're gonna talk about early season hunting, an average good temperature would be 50 degrees you would hope for a 50 degree day. Probably gonna be somewhere in the seventies or eighties and in some areas. So what I try to do is understand where I am and in whatever environment and decide some level of prediction, what are my... What's the next week gonna be or more specifically, the next, the 3 days after you shoot an animal,
what is the average daily temperature? What's the lowest and highest daytime and nighttime temperature so that you can find an actual average for the day? And 50 degrees, mosquitoes come out, at 50 degrees, blow flies become active. So bacteria is not really a threat at 50 degrees. Anything below 50 degrees. Bacteria take a long time to develop, and you can do a lot of hands on tactics, to reduce the amount of bacteria that even stays on your meat regardless of where
what an environment you're in. But at 50 degrees, the first threat becomes the blow fly. And without proper precautions or mitigation, those blow flies are gonna just land on your meat and blow little maggots that you don't see for 8 or 10 hours. And then depending on the temperature within 12 hours, you're gonna see these eggs develop wherever those blow flies were crawling around in the folds of your meat and places where you're not actually observing because you're
taking meat off the car. Right? So 1 of the first things that I would suggest in especially early season or above 50 degrees is have a... So soluble solution around of citric acid, and hut who are backpack savvy, know that you can buy powdered form citric acid online and just mix you know, an ounce of citric acid powder to a whole court of drinking water, shake that eyebrow well as long as that as acidity kind remind you of a really tart lemon lemonade or lemon juice, urine in and acidic
solution discussion. And that's the part that is gonna prevent those blow flies from deciding your meat surface is a comfortable place to blow its eggs. The trickery is what, you know, I call it is what we're trying to do is we're trying to delay and trick.
You know, we're we're tricking the blow flies and into thinking that this meat is not worthy of them to blow eggs onto and the first way to do that is to coat it with a light spray or, you know, just a a really light spray or a mist all over your meat, and that... Gives you an acidic surface that the blow flies don't trust. So they're gonna go somewhere else and do their magic. Bacteria we're not putting the citric acid and on an early season above 50 degrees for bacteria
necessarily. Primarily, we're using that to re return blow fly activity. Now, between 50 and 60 degrees fahrenheit, something else starts to occur. Between 50 and 60 is a storage temperature that you can work with for extended periods say 3 or 4, maybe even 5 days in the field. But as your meat temperatures need resting meat temperature and we'll come back to temperature of the meat itself in just a few minutes, but the storage temperature right now is
what we're talking about. At 50 and 60 degrees, your meat is gonna find a balance somewhere close to that 58 to 60 degree temperature threshold, and what happens at 60 degrees is fat, oxidation, and enzyme auto isis, and that's too fancy words to say your fats gonna start spoiling, and that becomes source bacteria that's gonna waste the rest of your hi corner or your front shoulder, wherever that fat is and if it goes ran, everything around, it's also gonna have a dead zoned, you're gonna have
to trim, that fat becomes a concern and you need to remove it in early season hunts, even if you're used to keeping it in and that say in a September an October hunt environment, that fat will be a problem if it reach reaches 60 degrees and stays there for any, any length of times, say, 12 to 18 hours in warm temperatures, you're gonna start smelling the difference between edible fad and and that which she wouldn't wanna
eat. And by the time you smell it like that, remembering the bacteria in those temperature zones can double if not triple in in an hour in its colony size, the faster you can remove all of that fat the better, and I'll come back to that as well. But... Yeah. So go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say an an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure there. So simply just cut it off. Cut it off immediately, you know...
I remove all of the facing meat. Everything that's observable and place it on a tarp, and that's from from the kill shot to when I'm dis memory an animal hopefully is within the hour. And it's not critical to remove the fat immediately because basically, what you have is a... You have a window of about 24 hours. That bacteria. Even if you had pissed on a leg or you open a bladder and it poured urine all over a high quarter or even you laid it down in a area that it had poop
in and it contaminated your meat. Even if he did nothing to that meat cut and laid it there, backed bacteria won't start to develop in those areas for about 24 hours, and that's because bacteria have to go through a lag time when they hit a new environment, It's, like, a it's a threshold of time where they're not active, but there's trying to establish credibility in their environment. That means
the temperature has to be perfect. The nutrients have to be available, water and moisture have to be available and the acidity has to be just right, and they won't know that for about 24 hours. So the most critical time that you have to for lack of a better word, mess around with your gain, you got that 24 hour period where you can make a lot of mistakes and get it really messy if you had to, if the environment was shitty, but after that 24 hours, you really have to be diligent on
your hands on application. And that means removing all the fat, if it's above 60 degrees outside. And take it off immediately, all all of the good stuff that you would off of behind quarter. Typically, we would leave and maybe even grind up on some animals, but it's it's not worth the... The wrist in terms of fat. But above 60 degrees, we... You've got concerns. So keep in mind, let's back up to your temperatures for a sec second. I know we can kind of
flesh out the rest of that conversation. But when your animal dies and it's laying on the ground. If you took a core temperature, it's gonna be about a hundred and 1 degrees, So right there, you have, a meat cut, say, a whole high quarter on a moose that's hundred and 50 pounds of, hundred and 1 degree temperature meat. And your priority is to get that meat core temperature, the the temperature of the meat is
as low as you can above freezing. And ideally, in early season hunts, you know, that might mean 45 to 56 degrees core temperature in 36 hours. For... But the first 24 hours, if you had a a meat thermometer, you would you would notice what dam. That meat still 80 degrees. It's only... It's... 4 hours ago and it's still 80, you know, I'm in trouble. I gotta
do something else. You really don't. You need to realize that first 24 hours is also a period where your temperature 4 your what's called the thermal regulation will decrease and find a homeostasis and that balance between the the daily temperature average, and the me corps will balance out at about 48 to 72 hours. But generally, about 2 days into your meat care, your meat temperature will be very close within 1 to 2 degrees of
your average daily temperature. And that's an interesting little side tip that, can give you a peace of mind for that critical first 24 hour period we're... You're not too worried about that meat as long as you put it in a an environment where it's gonna foster wind and shade and dripping ability, you know, plenty of, surface area exposed to your gain bags so that your meat can drain and sweat properly, and that's also reducing moisture and
temperature along that way. But at 24 hours, you should notice that the meat is down close to 50 degrees. You know, if the ambient temperatures allow. K it'll probably be somewhere between 50 and 60 degrees at 24 hours, early season hunts, even if the daytime temperatures are, you know, climbing into the seventies. At nighttime, you could usually with wind and shade and time, you can get that core temperature down pretty well. Just with your ambient environment,
without a cooler necessary or ice. Yeah. And I think 1 of the key things that you always bring up to is storing it in a proper area, You know, if you can get somewhere with shade with the good breeze, you really do yourself a favor even when the temperatures rise up. Yeah. And you do and 1 of the mistakes that we...
Sheep hunters have to make sometimes, for example, I'm using sheep on it because we're typically backpack packing in, Elk Connor do the same thing, but what I've noticed is you get an animal down in the mountains, your urge just to just get off the mountain. That may take the rest of the day, 8 hours, 10 hours to get back into a flat.
Rap river habitat, and, we have a tendency to kill the animal, dis member it, get into our backpacks and then rock off the mountain, you know, or out of the bush to get closer to our vehicle or closer
to our takeout or transportation. And if the temperatures are warm, say in the seventies 75, 80 during in the day, and you're still getting, you know, 50 degree nights, the best tactic might be to instead of using that first 24 hours to blaze out of the mountains, give yourself a full day to let that meet rest and drain and sweat and cool in its temperatures, so that you're not putting a hundred degree temperature meat into a plastic line backpack and closing it up with no wind circulation, and
it's just gathering heat all day while you're hiking, you could do more damaging that scenario then giving yourself 12 to 24 hours setting at or near the kill side, letting me grass, to prepare yourself for a a physical local transport or that meat out of the field. Yeah. I really never even thought about that. You know, you're basically just baking it on your back while carrying it out. Yeah. And and it it won't matter if your objective is 2 to 3 days from the time
that you kill the animal. It almost won't
matter what temperatures you're hunting in because... The meat probably not going to spoil if you use that first 24 hours tactically, meaning, your goal is to let that meat sweat and drain and cool as much as it possibly can so that it stabilizes, nothing's gonna happen in that first 24 hours in terms of bacterial growth, but the difference between post harvest 24 hours and 72 hours is really critical for me because it's it's trying to find a a balance with the with the temperatures
around itself. And, you know, the... If you if you wait 3 days and then pack it out, the meat gonna be down to basically at a little over the average nighttime temperatures if you kept in the shade and in the wind during the day, you can manage it quite well. So we hunters have this conundrum, and we either have to get in on our backs and with hot as me and just get off the mountain. If your truck is 2 days away, maybe that's
the best scenario. But if you're 3 or 4 or 5 days away from your transportation, you know, it preclude us to think more tactically with how we transport the game and and what hour we start that transport even developing a, like, a safe protocol for moving off the mountains, sometimes resting in place for 12 to 24 hours is is best for your physical body and and your care strategy. I'm glad you brought that up because that's
something that we don't normally think about. Like, I don't know if I've ever really thought about that. Cooling it down enough so that I'm not putting it directly in my backpack and base just heat it up on my way down? Yeah. Because you're re you're re restarting the the heat. You're you're basically fostering heat retention in the meat by closing it up, put it in plastic. And then your son, the sun, weather gonna just be concentrated
on that that exposed backpack pack. It's just gonna or it's gonna prolong the time it put takes for that meat to come down to a safe resting temperature. But again, it's it's 1 of those things where you have
to decide well, Might... If I'm only 2 days away from the truck, takes maybe that's my best option is to just do it while the meats hot and just get it over with the first day or get as close as you can to the vehicle and then rest for a day and just let that drain and and sweat and airflow work its magic on reducing the core temperature of
your me. Because the faster you can get it down, the better a commercial meat industry when they kill a cow, their objective after they wash that car is to rapidly cool it to 33 degrees. And they keep it between 33 and 42 degrees for 12 days, minimum, and that's kind of the the standard for a beef and poor. So the faster we can get that temperature down below 50 degrees or close to that 50 degree threshold, the better or preventing bacteria open. Growth and
the longevity or your me. So we talked about citric acid on, warmer than 60 degree fahrenheit high temperature zones. Again, you would wanna use that just 1 spray over all the services and let that dry preferably for a few minutes before you slip it the game bags for, you know, your best blow fly and and bacterial prevention strategies. And with citric acid, if you do choose to use that, you basically do it every other day and you stop on day 4. There's no need to do more than 2, maybe 3
applications over the... The field life of that meat. So the more citric acid you use, you're basically the if you are diligent or over diligent and used it every day for 4 or 5 days, you might see your surface of your meat, turn gray or brown, kind of a just an una appealing, you know, texture, and that's because of the acid burn. But all my studies, you know, albeit, they are my own studies. So if someone had other studies to contradict what I'm... Saying,
I, I'm not aware of them. But I can only tell you that the bacterial test that I've done, it's negligible to use citric acid after day 4 because bacteria that where there already dining. And unless there's new exposed services with bacteria, that citric acid is done, everything it's gonna do with basically, 2 applications. Once on day 1, once on day 3, and then I discontinue it on day 4 regardless of how many times I've used it.
And, of course, you know, your game bags just make sure that you pull your draw strings and keep the ability of those flies from entering those bags because they can go in tiniest of holes if your draws strings aren't pulled up and those clips aren't tight, a lot of meat can be wasted at early season when those blow flies are super active. That starts at 50 degrees and they really become aggressive at 60 degrees and beyond.
Yeah. For sure. I like to wrap my string around after I pull it tight, wrap the string around it and then pull it once, and that gives me that little bit extra. Yeah. Exactly. To follow up on everything that we discussed, there was a video on my Youtube channel, you could just Google you Larry Bartlett, Youtube or Larry Bartlett last. Guy, I think my sign is, like, willingness adventure 09:07, and there's about 70 videos on there and
more than half of them. Have extensive me care demonstration, but 1 in particular that'll give you an idea of temperature related times how to predict how fast your meat is cooling and what to do on day 1 through 9, look for mitigating spoil in the back country, final Ua
version. It'll talk about everything from keeping your meat from freezing the first 3 days to prevent cold shortening to dealing with blow flies and, you know, trajectory wounds, you know, basically flushing out and those bad shots on a high quarter, or ribs, and know, they'll show you there's some hands on techniques for
basically all temperatures. You did make a note that most of our alaska videos are fall centric and therefore, cooler temperatures on average, but there are a couple of videos, at caribou specific that we had 80 degree days and the me care on those is also shared in that mitigating foliage in the back video. So you'll see some me air hands on from 80 degrees down to freezing temperatures.
I'll link that up and it's that's the video I was watching today, and I'll tell you this people really wanna geek out on meat care, and I hope they do. I mean, this video is over an hour long of just me care. Yeah. Yeah. Some good stuff. If you like that sort of thing. It'll at least get you prepared. And also, I got your float dragging in Alaska, and a, you got a whole chapter in that book chapter 8. Yep. And I don't know. That's, like, 70 or 80 pages of just
meet care too. Absolutely. And that's... If it's not covered in p dragon in Alaska. It's covered in that video and or all the rest that support those videos. There's no stone left uncovered with me care, in our profession. Well, Larry, you sure opened my eyes, and man, that's so much information to take on, and I appreciate you converting it to the early season for. And just providing all these resources for to check out if anybody has any questions for you where can they find
you at? Oh, you can check out pristine ventures dot com. And you'll probably find me on rock slide more often than on my own website. So look for me there. For sure. Alright, Laura. I appreciate it, And we'll catch up with you soon. Alright, Sam. Take care, brother. It's time to stop dredging application season. Streamline your process and find better opportunities with the help of On x hunt research tools.
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to the S. Yeah. Thanks, Sam. Thanks for having me. Like, we are talking. I mean, the timing is perfect. Right? A lot of the country right now is under a a heat wave. Not here in Montana. I don't know about where you're living. We just had snow last night, the middle of june. So... Yeah. Pretty crazy. We had super cold weather here too. I'm super enjoying it. Yeah. No. I'm not I'm not complaining that it's not 95 degrees outside. But... Yeah. When it comes to hot weather,
you know, I think that we've got... Some great stuff and over the years, I've I've helped develop with the team, some things for hot weather hunting. And it's really just not hot weather honey. I mean right now, people are probably finishing their shit hunting. Right? And everybody's starting the scout. And if not, that, then you're out training, and that eventually leads into the fall season. So what we're trying to solve for when we go outside right now and it's hot
and it's sunny, and all these things. At least most of the time is, you know, we're trying to protect ourselves from that heat. So there's a couple ways to do that. And then we're trying to protect ourselves from the sun, and there's a couple ways to do that as well. So the first thing when it comes to clothing is you wanna make sure that, you know, the clothing you put it on is light weight and oftentimes when it comes to lightweight
clothing, you lack durability. So trying to find that balance of lightweight and durable can be difficult cult, and I'll speak to the exact product here in a minute. So trying to figure that out, and then also something that manages moisture. So probably when you and I were were younger, maybe even kids. Right? We'd run around and cotton t shirts, and we'd sweat that cotton t shirt out. That cotton
would absorb that moisture. And then that would allow us to cool down either with a light breeze or through what is called the vapor of cooling, which is basically just your body given off heat, the moisture evaporates, with that and takes the heat with it. But when you're trying to spend a night out or multiple nights out or a week or 2 in the back country, if you have something like caught that's gonna absorb that moisture and is gonna help keep you cool.
During the heat of the day, that's not gonna work when the when the sun goes down. So we we need something that's going to help manage and this is where modern materials and all that comes in, polyester, and nylon, etcetera. So trying to find something that's gonna manage more, which is going to absorb it, keep that moisture on your skin a
little bit or in that material. And then as you push that heat away and the moisture takes a heat away through a vapor cooling, you're able to cool down and then that process continues to cycle. And then in the evening or the mornings maybe when you're out glass, and at not so hot that that base layer still able to manage moisture. So those are kinda of the problems we're
trying to solve. And then I think when it comes to hot weather what people tend to overlook is, you know, some times, the coldest I've ever been is actually in the
desert. And that sounds weird coming from a person who's kinda specialized in cold weather survival and mountain warfare in the military, but there's such a huge temperature differentiation between mornings and evenings, cold that if you're not careful and maybe overlooked bringing in a puffy jacket and or something to block the win that you can really find yourself, even though it's super hot during the day, maybe let's just call it 90. If it drops into the mid fifties, you're gonna be
pretty chilled at night. And so really, I go back to what I call the 8 piece clothing system, which is a base layer is critically important. And I think when you're talking base layer, that could be something that for this specifically hot weather, something that's super lightweight, maybe in a hundred 20 gram ish merino, maybe 01:20 to 1, you know, 50 60 70 somewhere in there, and then something lightweight synthetic wise. But that's gonna help pull
the moisture off your skin. And then as your body naturally puts off the heat, it's gonna take the heat away through evaporation cooling. So that's kinda critical what I call the foundation of a clothing system. And then it's really important this time of year to have a pair of pants that's durable enough that you can crawl sit, cooling slides stock in, all those things. So, you know, for Ci, I always default to this time of year
the ascent pan. I think the ascent pant is 1 of the best, not only lightweight, but durable hunting pants. We've make it out of a cord nylon. I've had it on Kate Buffalo hunt. I'm gonna go on Kate Buffalo hunt, August. I'm gonna take these pair pants. The They're almost ind, especially for as light as they are. So I'm gonna put that pair of ascent pants maybe over top of merino, cor merino marino 01:20 bak sir or lightweight boxer out of
synthetic. And then I'm gonna have a base layer top and because we're trying to protect ourselves, from the sun. I always tend to default this time of year to a base layer top, be it a 1 core merino marino 01:20 or a core lightweight hoodie that has launched sleeves and has a hood. So what that allows me to do is if I want to roll up sleeves, I can just simply pull the sleeves up, I can dump pee. But if I need to protect myself from the sun, I can pull those
sleeves down. If I wanna put the hood up for conceal or just to get out of the sun at a glass knob, I could do that if I wanna pull that hood off. I can do that as well. So I think trying to find versatile clothing this time year that's lightweight manage moisture, but it also allows you to get out of the sun, Now another hoodie that I think is exceptional for this time of year is what we call the E ox guard hoodie. So originally that E guard hoodie was positioned
as something that has... What's called insects shield, so it protects you from ticks and mosquitoes and things like that. But it's... Say so lightweight, it manages moisture so well that people have decided that that's also a great hot weather piece, not just for spring Turkey or bear, but also for this time of year, and then even in the early part of fall. So, again, it does all those things I talked about Up ups so that the ultraviolet protection factor I think is what it
stands for. But basically, the ability of the clothing to protect you from the sun, You'll see different Up ups ratings on different clothing, so that's something you wanna look at. I think something is low is a 30, so say, like, the core lightweight hoodie depending on the color that it is. That's kinda like a 30 P all the way up to something like that E guard hoodie, which is maybe pushing something along a 50 P, That range changes is what I'm looking forward to
product. So I don't wanna get sunburn burned through my clothing. Right? That's the worst thing to do because, ultimately, when you're out there, you you don't wanna kick your own butt. Right? You don't wanna make self statistic. And so if you go out there and get dehydrated, get sunburn, get suns stroke, all those things, like, that's an forced error from you, not mother nature. You know what it's gonna be like. And so it's up to you
to kinda counter that. And clothing is really that first line of defense against the elements. And so when it's hot out, you need to make sure that you can manage your heat that you can manage your moisture and that you could protect yourself from the sun.
Now when the sun does go down, that's when I think the puffy jacket really comes in and there's, you know, several insulated puffy jackets that you can choose from, something like a Kelvin aero jacket it would be a great all around piece if you've either never own a puffy jacket before or you're looking something to kinda do it all or you're maybe going from the lower 48, and you're gonna head to say coastal Alaska or Canada where it's damp got a great insulation that
can manage moisture. So anyways, that puffy jacket those gonna be critical for when you stop to put on to capture your body heat, especially, it's sun goes down so those early mornings, late at night, I even sleep in that puffy jacket to supplement my clothing system. And then to go with that, puffy jacket is some type of beanie. Like b 03:30 beanie or traverse beanie. And I think when you start putting that together, the last 2 pieces would be rain gear or maybe a
wins stop her top. But, you know, depending on where you're hunting, maybe you don't need that in Arizona, but Rain gear, of course, you know, you definitely want where where you and I live or if you had north, but, you know, specifically the early season, I think that we need to protect ourselves from the sun and then being able to dump that body heat to manage our body temperature.
You brought up so many great points, and I drew a early season in Nevada Deer tag last year, and I was surprised all the Deer high, Europe high 2. But just a different of getting that elevation and how much more sun you're exposed to even in the shade up there. So I I do think that a hood, as... I don't know. When you first think about it, you know, you think of a hood, maybe retaining more heat, but getting out of the sun there.
It's critical. I think there was 1 tree on my glass point And so as the sun moved around, you know, I just kinda had to move around too with it, but it was rough kind of... Yeah. It becomes a lesser 2 evils Right? And it's like, I'd rather have that lightweight hood to get out of the sun. Think gets sunburn on the back of my neck and then be miserable for the for the rest of the
hunt. Right? And so outside of clothing, that's where, like, a lightweight tarp is potentially crucial, like, be able to pitch over your tripod. Right? So you can sit there and just keep moving that tarp around to kinda get out of the sun. But, you know, this time of year, that's what I'm looking to do. I like, what is the problem I'm trying to solve. And then what is the gear and clothing that I need to kinda
help solve that problem? Yeah. I really appreciate you walking us through the entire process there. It makes a lot of sense and of the things I always like about sickest is they always have that piece of gear that can fill not only the niche you're trying to, but be able to to fill in somewhere else 2. So it's a multipurpose purpose. You can use it in the early season, but you can also use it in September. You can use it in those later seasons. You can fill in your gear gaps that
way. Yeah. Versatility is a great thing. Right? We wanna buy pieces that we can continue to maybe start our season with, and then wear those pieces. Most of them anyways, all the way through to the end, and then just have to supplement on top with some additional items that, know, are gonna keep us warm as a temperature starts plummet. Alright. Well, I appreciate you chi in. Giving us a lot of good info here on the sick of pieces and give us a great starting
point there. I look forward to trying out some more pieces and catching up with you maybe in the later season, see what else you guys are kicking out. We got some great stuff coming out. So thanks Sam. I appreciate it. Alright. Thanks, John. Alright. We finally caught up with Bailey Flores, product development manager from For. So Bailey is gonna tell us a bit about For, then jump into 1 of their favorite warm weather pieces, the Sole technical hoodie. So welcome to
Show Bailey. Thank you, Sam. Thanks for having me. Yeah. So 4 started in 20 20. So we are still fairly new about 4 years now it's crazy. It's already 20 24. But we're a hundred percent made source in the Us and that we're considered technical gear. So we don't just want to be known for being made in sourced in the Us. Well we are very proud of it. We love what we do. And we love that
we do it here in the states. We wanted to make something that's fully functional that people can actually be proud to wear something that people can... Actually use. And this whether they're they're hunting, I can hiking, fishing anything outdoors or anything like that. It's just all around here for for all outdoor use. So, you know, we don't just wanna put that that made an America stamp out there, but it's actually gonna be, you're gonna get high quality, you know, technical gear from your top
tier your bottoms, your mid layers. And then the piece we're talking about today is the the technical hoodie. So I love our whole solar lines. So that's gonna be our your sun shirts, your sun pants, your super lightweight moisture wick. 1 of my favorite thing about these pieces, which includes the technical hoodie is the the poly and the burp. So that poly actually basically wicks away any kind of scent
from you. So it uses silica, and it's 95 percent scent wine rain water and a mixture of kind of a sand material that basically which just wicks away all the... Any kind of sense from you so you can get around 6 to 8 use is without kind of smelling any sweat. You know, you're constantly in the field. You're out there running around is something you can keep, you know, 3 or 4 lightweight pieces on you. And the technical hoodie in general is it's just something that anyone can use. You don't even
have to be a hunter. It's a really good travel piece. You know, I've used it a lot. So says I join the product team. We we fly around. We go to our warehouse. We go to our different facilities. I'm down here in in Texas where it's 98 now, but, you know, we've gone places like in Montana where it drops like, 50, and, you know, I can rock the technical hoodie here and then, you know, continue to wear it over there just because the the cooling minerals And it's just a stall around
comfortable piece. And it's 90 percent polyester with 10 percent span x. I wanna say that 1 as 88 percent, polyester or 12 percent span x. And then what's the Up p rating on it? Do you know off offhand? So it's gonna be 50 plus. Yeah. So that's pretty high for being out in the song for sure. Oh. You know, I have a buddy... This mom had gotten diagnosed with stage 4 skin cancer, And you know, she grew up always in
the sun. You know, it kind of the thing where she was always tan, never wore sunscreen, and, you know, I grew up with that family. So that that was pretty rough hearing, but I You know, she actually... She beats stage 4 recently. So that was that was awesome. But now, like, when they go out. Yeah. That is. Yeah. They they spent all their time on the water. So I actually gifted him because now he wears, like Sun everywhere goes, and, you know,
we're we're fishing. We're on the boat. I gifted him a couple of the 4 low ones. It's it's really cool seeing him I'm out there over. Of his other brands that he has. But 1 thing about these these solar shirts is there here in Texas, I've I've worn them all and, you know, I love the brands that I grew up weren't wearing. I don't... I can't describe how wide it is. I mean, they're there's just... They're
so comfortable. I I could literally wear it to weren't to sleep, then I can go wear it on a run or go where it working out, and then I'll go through on a pair of pants and then, go where it fishing. Just a bad ass bad ass piece. Yeah. So you can wear it next to skin as a next to skin layer or you can wear it as, like, a light over jacket. Absolutely. Yeah. So you can wear it as a mix. Skin with
the the technical hoodie. I've had people wear Next skin award just wear it as a Layering piece, you know, here in Texas with, you know, early season when they're they're hunting white tail. It's still kind of, you know, you start little cold in the morning and then it heats up towards noon so that's kinda of been a staple piece for for early season hunting here in in Texas. But, yeah, No. You can wear it layering. I
I run pretty hot. So I'll actually wear the the sole long sleeve as almost like a base layer and then throw natural base layer over it so that that burp product it keeps my skin a little cooler, but I still have those layers on top of me to kinda knock up the wind or anything like that. For me, it's always just keeping the outside elements. Out, just staying kind of temperature regulated. And these pieces do a great job of that. Yeah. It sounds like it. And this is a full zip hoodie? Yes, sir. A
fool zip buddy. Sounds like an amazing piece. I wanna try it out. I think we got a few more minutes. You wanna talk about any of your other warm season offerings. So I know that's a piece, the the pants. So I think I touched on them just a bit, But man, those pants are. Those are awesome. So I I do a lot of fast fishing here in Central Texas
so I'll throw on the solar pants. And as thin as those things are, you know, we had a lot of people that would would come in the shop and they would worry about them Brie and ripping up, but with that rips stop, man, Those those things hold they hold up well. And then on top of that, I mean, I've tried through Creek and rivers and streams through them and when it's 98 to to 01:05 Granted it it could be pretty miserable.
Especially, you're you're walking through Standing rock and there's no day, that's something being non you. But when you're walking through, you know, water with those pants, they they don't feel uncomfortable. I mean, they they keep you cool, normally, when you're treasure do water and day kind of a pant for me. Just feels it feels uncomfortable, and then they just... They they weigh you down. The way they were designed. It's just... It's killer, man. Couldn't like them
enough. Couldn't talk about them enough. The pants is definitely, 1 of my favorites that we have. And I I feel like I say that about a repeats, But, man, I I wear those pants a ton here here in Texas. Yeah. The 1 thing I noticed, you guys have a lot of color in offerings. I think 6 maybe 7 different color options. Yeah. Absolutely. And we're still kind of working on more. So we have the we have a full... The men's and the women's, I don't think a touched on that part, But the, that's
for the tech hoodie. And that's for an abundance of our pieces Act. And we just launched a green, our 4 0 grain in the women's because it was highly requested. And, you know, we're still still work on more because if it's 1 of our most popular products that we have, Actually, you know, right there alongside with the the solar long sleeve. And the the pants. I say when I do, like, our road show working in the
store. It's 1 that catch people's eye and they love how how light it is, but it's also a a decent entry level piece, You know, not everyone can drop a dime and, you know, spin 500 on a jacket.
But, you know, they try that that solar hood, you know, the technical sip, then it's 01:49, good entry level piece and some that, you know, introduce you to the brand and try it out and you fall with it, then, you know, eventually, you're gonna you're gonna check something else out that we have and to kinda see the the quality it's all built with. Yeah. It sounds like a awesome warm weather piece white tell us just a little
bit about how the process works. I know you guys got a a few storefront fronts, why don't you tell us where those are. And then if people order online kinda how the back and forth if they get the fit they need or or how all that plays out. Yeah. So we have... Right now, we do have just the the 1 store in white fish Montana. So that's where we're based out of. But they can order online. They... We they can catch us up road shows. So, we have Taylor. She actually all
store roadshow shows. So a lot of toll archer tree challenges to the Nra events, anything like that, you know, keep an eye on those outdoor shows that are in your area, definitely worth going to, not just because of us, but because of all the brands that are there, They they showcase things really well. That way you can come see it, put your hands on it and kinda see what you're getting into, but, you know, you can check us out at 4 low dot. Com.
You know, we go through every piece there, every technical property of it, You know, what makes it different than what you're gonna find out there. And then for, you know, if you you order something that's a a wrong size, we do returns and exchanges. Everything's pretty seamless. As a as a consumer, it's it's a pretty seamless and nice process, especially for not having too many stores over
the Us. That's kind of that's 1 thing that that does kinda suck about being a smaller in a newer company is, you know, not everyone does wanna give it a chance because they can't see it in person, they can't feel it. 1 of those things where or if you see a a product on site that you don't, you know, in you order, it doesn't fit right or you don't like it at all, we'll take care. Alright. If people wanna check out your whole lineup up, where can they go to find it?
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Join the herd together, we can make a difference. Visit mule dot org today. Witness And keeping with the theme of today's early season show, we have Michael Re. From first light to take us through their warm weather options to help us decide what pieces to consider on our next early season trip. So welcome to the Show, Michael. Sam. Thanks for having me. Super excited to be a part of it. Yeah. I'm pretty excited. I haven't used a lot of first light gear. I know there's a lot of staff
members. That do. So, you know, it's gonna be kind of a learning experience for me too, so I'm ready to jump on into it. Yeah. Definitely. So... A big thing with First slide is we really made our name in the industry with merino wool base layers. Right? So we have the best... Merino wool base layer that you can get. And now we're coming in with a synthetic base layer, which is a launch of a new line called the Yum, and this is specifically designed
for the early season. And you know, there's a lot of, like, oh, synthetic versus natural. Right? Yeah, so the why... What's the use case form. Right? So I'm trying go over for a quick overview of the Yum. So the Yum offers what we call triple threat? So it's gonna be high q treated. So what that means is we've treated the synthetic fabric. The hi cue is... Antimicrobial, which cuts down on odor. You know, a lot of times synthetic can can smell funky. Well, that's what the high queue is
gonna counteract. It's a antimicrobial which is not gonna allow that bacteria to grow in the synthetic environment. Another piece of this is the dot matrix fabric. Which includes our 37.5 active particle fiber for moisture management and allows for quicker drying time, And then the third key piece to it all is gonna be the no fly zone, which is Prom based to cut down on on bugs and insect repel that is... Right into the fabric itself. For instance, the Wick, which is our arrow
wall, which is a merino wool blend. That 1 also has a 37 5 in it. It's gonna have natural anti microbial properties in the marina wool itself. However, this synthetic versus the natural fibers the Wick is gonna have a little bit longer dry time whereas is the whereas the Yum is gonna dry out a lot quicker. The Yum in the and the synthetic, base layer is purpose built for hot climates, which offers maximum moisture wick through the in since synthetic fibers.
In contrast where the Wick merino wool provides versatility with thermal regulation across more temperatures with the merino... Wool fiber infused with 37 5 technology for wick performance and then also the natural anti stink in there. Yeah. And the 1 thing I I saw about the no fly zone that really kind of appealed to me is that it repel ticks to, which is super important like, if you're going on a early season bear hunt or something like
that. Yeah. Exactly. That was you know, a lot of the customer base has been calling for that for quite some time. So we've listened to what the customer is asked for. Think it lasts up to down 50 washes. Is that No fly zone ticks. It's a huge part whether you're a back east or out west, you know, ticks are a big main concern early season hunts. I'm spring bear to early season white tails, you know, it's just the hunter enemy. What pieces do you
get coming out in the human line? So the human line, we're gonna have it in a hoodie that's gonna come in a long sleeve crew neck, as well as a short sleeve crew neck, and then an underwear, long cut boxer brief. I'm a big fan synthetic especially during the early season. I mean, you know, those longer trips where you stink it up. Our consideration, but, man, they sure do breathe a lot better than than we'll... Yeah Yeah. Absolutely. I've been running this Yum doing a lot of up in the early
season as well as Archer Elk. And then, in the Midwest for White Toe hunting as well. So it's just super versatile. It has a... Because it's not knit. It does hold up a little bit more to operation as well. Yeah. And that dot matrix fabric just really lets it breathe, but it's also super comfortable to wear against the skin. Yeah. Exactly. So it's it's gonna be great for a base layer next... To skin and then pull, you know, like, a thicker merino top over it or you can wear it just as
is in early hot weather as well. Do you wanna skip onto your... Other hot weather pieces you've had, I guess, for a little while, the trace series? Yep. So the trace... So I believe that 1 came out last year, and that 1 came out specifically for the warm weather climates. But it's just a little bit different use case. So that 1 comes in, the quarter zip as well as a hand. And so it's
got... What we call, kinetic grid. So when you actually hold that trace up to the light, you can see the little dots throughout there. So we've actually developed that fabric to just be ultimate breathable. It's like, looking through a win screen Almost. So you can feel the win coming through cool you off on those hot humid mug days, or up in the mountains, you know, when you're... Trying to get your sweat on training,
things like that. And that comes in the trace quarter zip as well as pants for that piece. So would you say that the main difference between the yum and the trace is... The traces is more of a altered layer where the yum would be more next to skin layer? Yes. That's exactly correct. Oh, alright. Any other pieces we wanna mention for the early season? In the next couple weeks, we're coming out with our new line of the 03:08 pant. It's a new line of synthetic pants. So
we're gonna have... The, lined version for the later season, But the early season coming out with the synthetic pant in that lineup, and it's gonna have, you know, hip zips with vents, and things like that to really keep you nice and comfortable in the early season as well. And the 03:08 just... That's the designated of the cut, the straight cut. Yeah. Exactly. So 03:08 is gonna be a more of a fit than it is. So, basically, if you're... Let's call it a 34 by 32.
In the line version, you're always gonna be a 34 32 in the online version and so on in this series. So you'll always know where you stand and it's gonna be exactly the same. Well, you take all the guess work out of it Nice. We're trying to. Why don't you go ahead and tell us kind of about if you get this and you need to exchange it, some of your customer service base. Things you guys do
over there first line? Yeah. Exactly. So first slide, you know, customer service has always been a number 1 priority of ours, you know, phone calls, chats, emails. There's all sorts of ways to get a hold of our customer service team. The best way is to go to first site dot com. Scroll all way to the bottom. You'll see a returns exchange button in orange.
Click that, you'll be able to punch in your order number, as well as your email address, to do free exchanges to make sure that we're getting you in the right fit and the right pieces. You you cannot exchange across product lines, but you can exchange, you know, for different sizes, size up size down to making sure we're getting you on the right fit all the time. Alright, Michael. I appreciate you, coming on. Churn us with these new items. I know the couple
staff members. No doubt will be wearing them. I'll be looking forward to hearing and how they like. Awesome, Sam. Thanks for having me. I'm happy to have the guys from Sc gear back on the show. Today we have Josh Jensen to run us through screens, warm season offerings. So welcome back, Josh? Hey Thanks, sam for having me. Alright. I'm pretty excited. Why don't you go ahead and just start laying out your your favorite warm season pieces,
I guess. Yeah. It's crazy to think we're already up that time a year where the hunting season starting. And so we we do. We have some really nice this early season type of gear where it's 70 mid... In know, mid seventies to even up to a hundred degrees where we're sometimes that's where the temperatures hit. And so Having the right gear. It's super important. We always
love merino wool. We we run a couple different variations of merino merino wool a lightweight 01:50 Gsm merino wool top, and and we have that in a crew neck and quarter zip, and a short sleeve top as well. So I'm always wearing a merino wool top. When I go out. We also have a couple pant options for this upcoming year. We have was felt the Ui, pant, super lightweight, thin, very breathable material. Has a side vents.
We also launched a new pant last year called Venture flex pants We ran a kind of a first version this whole year. Got some really good feedback from our from our hunters, and we've made some changes to those. We've tapered legs a little bit, and we also extended the hips just to give a more of a comfort fit for those pants. And so we're excited to have those and they'll... Those will be hitting actually this month just right before season. So we'll stay tuned for that.
We also... Like... I mean, I love the grid light jacket. It's just a super thin jacket for those cool mornings before it gets too hot. And it's just... It's super comfortable. That comes in not only solids but camel as long with all our other gear. We're we're reaching out and trying to get some work solid as well, a lot of hunters like that. But Say those are my favorite pieces for early season.
If you're a vest guy, we have a hard troubled vest, which is always been a a great seller for those cool mornings and throw in your pack for when it warms up, It just keeps your core warm, but lot of flexibility in your arms and and shoulders for Bow hunters, which is we're at for this season. So if I say anything those would be my top picks for those 4 or 5 items for early season hunting? Yeah. I've been using sc for, I don't know, 5 or 6 years now, probably since
the beginning. I really love the you un a pant in the early season. It's like a rips stop Polyester that's breathable. What do you call that fabric that it's made out of Josh do you remember? Yeah. It's it's just it's a super thin polyester that breeze really easy, and it is. It's very durable and can go through anything. You know, that is 1 thing that we feel like, we have probably the
best warranty out there. Well, we tell our customers is if something were to happen out in the field where it wasn't your fault. We're gonna warranty that that gear. So you're running through breath trees, something snacks that it tariffs at a same income and then, We're going to take care of all that stuff. You know, unless you take a knife to it or or you cause your, you know, any type of accent to the gear. We feel like it's our responsibility to make the
best gear out there. So we're gonna take care of you if something does happen to. I know you're direct to consumer. So how does how does that work out? So super easy process. If something does happen to it. They're a portal on our website. I just go to a and you might have to take a little picture of what happened to it. We just approve it. You'll get, sent a return label, put in the mail, and we'll either fix it or replace it So
super easy on your part. No. I was talking more about just ordering so they go a website order how to... Since it's direct to consumer. What's the best way to get the best fit I guess is what I'm asking you? Gotcha. Yeah. Just website... We have a, sizing guide on there. Look up your sizes. We we've made a lot of changes, so it's more of a true fit now. So if you're 34
pant order a 34. If you're halfway between that, order up to, you know, the next sides, if you're a 35, we recommend or order in 36 pant, but super easy. It's an easy return policy too if if you need to return it, that doesn't fit, then profit if you go to the portal, you just submit that information. You'll get a return label, return it, We'll replace it For free. We we take care of all the shipping on that end and until you get the right sign. Alright. Sounds pretty easy. Yeah. I've used all
of these pieces. Your merino wool is a spun bland. They're, super durable. I really haven't had any rips or runs and any of the merino pieces that I had, other than a chip monk eating a hole in a couple of them. I I haven't had any problems there. So I still have... Well, in we... I'll go ahead. I was just gonna say we love it we love... I I mean, I personally love merino wool outside of the chip months eating, eating it, but never had that happen. But Bree so nice it it absorbs the
sweat. And moisture from your body. And so it keeps you dry, and... But it also like off dot comfort. And it's it just regulates temperatures, you know, if it's too hot, it keeps you cool if it's cold, it it keeps your warm as well. And so it it really is a an awesome fabric to have Yeah. I drew a Nevada early season dear archer tag last year. In 1 of the days I found myself wearing the original you and a pants that I've had. I
don't know. They're probably 5 years sold. They probably have 50 field days, maybe even more with scouting and shed hunting on there, and they're still just as durable. I haven't had any of the super blow out So, yeah. I'm super impressed with that. I just wanna swing back the the venture pants that you brought out last year. Now that doesn't come
in any of your... So camel patterns. That's just a, like, a everyday pant wear that you can wear scouting, or I guess you could wear a solid color hunting too in the early season. What color Is that offered in? Yeah. So the original test that we we launched flash for last year was in the olive green and asked brown. And we actually have such great feedback on that pant. We are doing it in the some and solace pattern, and those will be available as we speak within the next week or
2? 0, yeah. That's awesome. I guess closing out real quick. Why don't you tell about squeeze Hunt club there? You bet Yeah. Yeah. So we we launched a, a subscription platform. Alright. It's a member's hunt club, what we call it? You do it monthly or annually. You pay your 10 dollars, or if you wanna do an annual subscription, It's a hundred bucks. And it's like a health savings account. But we take that 10
dollars. We put it into a store credit and that you can use anytime so you can save up for a year or 2, then you have all that money back. And you can you can use it right checkout anytime. And then you also get a member's only discount the entire year throughout that if
you're a hunt club member. So really, if you look at it, it's not costing you anything, you get it all back in the store credit, You get discount, We do monthly prizes and giveaways for hunt club members, we'll run special promotions, like, if we do a a site wide sale, which we usually do in August. You'll get a discount, put plus, Get your 10 percent or your home club price on top of that as well. And so really cool program to use. Yeah. And it also has a discounted shipping benefit to
to be part of the club. I'm part of the club. Mh. You know, I just know that I'm gonna need a piece at least once a year. I do the annual subscription. I always know. I'm gonna spend at least a hundred bucks a free. So it may... It just makes good sense for me. Yeah. And and in the long run, it costs you nothing gives you a lot of discount, and it's just an opportunity to win some cool stuff. Thing, like you said, free shipping. If you spend over 50 bucks and so, a lot of different perks to it.
Alright, Josh. Anything else you wanna add before we close this out No. I appreciate you having up. We we're big fans of rock slide, and then everything you guys are doing. Alright. We'll catch up with you later. No doubt. I appreciate you guys coming on and sharing your warm season clothing with us? Thanks, Sam. Moving on as such a natural fit and any talk about the early season is hydration. I ask long time rock light sponsors, hard side hydration to come on and tell
a bit about themselves. So we have Dane Williams and Dustin Gosh show, the founding partners joining us on the show. I gotta try these guys out a couple years ago. I saw him at the Expo. I think it was like their first year, and I was super intrigued to try it out, but about we'll just have them give us a little introduction, and we'll go from there. So welcome to the show, guys. Thanks. Thanks for having
us. Yep. Thanks. So, basically, we were a hunting and broke some water bags and bladder, and so, you know, we created parts side hydration, which is our solution. It's kinda it's a cap and host system that'll go on any wide mouth na jean or yeti yan type bottle and a lot of other wide mouth bottles. That was, like, our first product. We call it the sw rig, wide mouth. So it's just like a lot more durable than a bladder, easier to plate, did a bladder easier to
use. And then, last year at Hon Expo, we brought out the new ultra light, which fits smart water bottles, fiji water bottles, you know, regular convenience store type bottles So kinda of 2 options ultra light in a white when you get those caps, they come with the longest holes for those type of bottles. So when you get our cap, it's gonna have Straw that fits, like, say, the yeti yan or 50 ounce bottle, but it's really neat because you can just trim it to
whatever bottle. You're looking to use it you know, so the tallest is the analogy 48 ounce silo triton type bottle. You run it on any setup. So, like, Dustin said, it's a it's a durable option, something that allows you to stay hydrated and, you know, if you're kind of annoyed with bladder, like, we were... Gives you that option to have that convenience of a hydration kit except for running it to something durable. That's not gonna fail on in the back country. So... Yeah. That's
when I first saw. I was pretty excited I like the na, but I like the convenience of a bladder, just a hose, instant water. And I think that this was a perfect marriage there and the drinking hose to the na, you get the durability. And the ease of clean and that's the 1 thing I didn't like my... About a bladder, either. You know, when it's super hot out, I like to run flavors in my water a lot. Yeah. And just being able to clean that bottle out when you're done, super convenient.
Yeah. Told me to go electrolytes lights and things you can add in and kinda makes that hike a little easier or something. Some little taste in different water and not running
it through the hoses is nice. So when we were prototyping the ultra light in the side pouch of my pack, I would have an a jean, a 48 ounce algae gene and then a 33 ounce smart water bottle, and I would mix all my drinks in that smart water bottle, and then I would just switch the hose between the 2 bottles depending on if I wanna, you know, electrolytes or or water from the na. So that was when we were testing it, and that...
That's kinda how I still run everything, just kinda 1 of each there and then I... After hunt, I can just throw out my smart water bottle, and I don't have to worry about clean anything out. So we're right in the middle of total luxury challenges and lots of events and things like that in the summer here. So... But it's neat to see everybody's kind of their first impression when they see it like, wait a minute. You know, they'll walk by and kinda get that.
Like, some people know right away and some people are, is it a filter? And, yeah. It's a it's neat to to see. So Yeah. I moved on to the ultra light too. I ran that last year. I like the convenience set. You do save quite a bit of weight over in a with a smart water bottle. I haven't had any leaks But I use that in the early season and then when it gets into the colder season, I go back to the regular na jean. Yeah. Just because that doesn't freeze up
as much, I don't think. Right. And what's nice you can find those smart water bottles in a 50 ounce. Yeah. Which is nice because then you're carrying a lot of water and you... You the bottle weights, how much fraction of an ounce, I think. So... Yeah. On the website, we have a few... They're reversible sleeves or, like, a cozy type thing, You can run over those smart water bottles too to give them some insulation kinda get the insulation value up and kinda not have the
weight of an insulated bottle. Oh, man. I might have to check that out. Yeah. I've I like that on my analogy. And like I said, mostly to keep it from freezing when it gets cold and that's the 1 thing that really intrigued me that I had problems with in the late season my bladder, the hose would free shut and you can get the water out now. I just reached down if it froze, just string straight from the the Na top, so it's super convenient
if I run into that promo. Cold weather is 1 thing that we've heard a lot. From our customers that they want, you know, better performance and real freezing cold weather. So... And it's something we've been working on since that first year because we heard a lot of complaints about that. And so we've been working towards better solutions for that. It's just it's a hard thing to do to make everything work, you know, water wants to freeze
when it's at cold. So try different options, different solutions till we find something that we hit on that we really think is worth bringing to market Just as a recap, you can go with the ultra light, which is the cap, and it basically fits 28 millimeter cap, which is, like, regular soda cap, smart water cap, that thing, so be a regular bottle. Then they have big rig wide, which fits the... Any na bottle, so you can use a smaller bottle or a bigger bottle And like Dustin
was talking about. If you use a bigger bottle. No problem. If you use a smaller bottle, you just trim the hose off, and you can run the smaller bottle will problem either. So. And then they have a full set up. That'll give you the Na jean, the whole setup ready to go. Create from them there, and they got a bunch of other cool accessories there. So people wanna check out more about what you guys do or
they find you at? Our website is WWW dot hard side hydration dot com, and we also have Instagram Hard side hydration, and you'll see kind of what we're doing here and there going to tax some some different things. So... Yeah. For sure. So if you guys get over that way, be sure to check them out tac or hit them up there on the web and and check out heart side. I'm sure they'll have something that you maybe haven't
seen before. So. Thanks, guys. Thanks you. Speaking of the show, if you have a topic you wanna hear more about, or if you yourself would like to be a guest on Tips, Tuesday, please reach out to me at sam at rocks dot com. Until next time, this has ben Sam Weaver. With the help of sports men and women and concerned citizens we can defeat the hunting bands here in Colorado. Go to say the hunt Colorado dot com. Thanks for listening.