So this book, like, he was coming out, so I I should give a little context to it because it really matters background, all of that stuff. So he was kind of and some darker green grass, some, like, kinda just feeding out. So didn't have, like, a really light background behind him. When I when I first spotted the deer, I was just blown away. I was like, whoa. Like, that deer is out there and I kinda had to, like, check myself. I'm like, how far
is that deer. And the detail I was seeing as dark as it was. And I mean, usually, like at that distance. So... And this is this held true So when I put my the 15 S on him. The rock cast is powered by On x hunt. The number 1 Gps app in the industry. Stay tuned for a rock cast promo code. Welcome back to their Rock broadcast everyone. This is Travis hobbs, and... I have a guest, I'm super excited.
Matt Cash. And if you don't know who Matt Cash is, your lip must be living under a rock because he is rock slides. Optic guru. 1 of the smartest guys I've ever, like, I love reading your reviews, man. I just appreciate all the detail you put into them and it's awesome it really helped guys make decisions, and these are big decisions, lots of money. So this is cool and both of us. These have a pair of the new Sw n l 14 by 50 twos. I am just super excited about this ocular, and I can't wait to
get Mad. We really haven't talked much. So Matt, welcome to the podcast, man. Thanks, Travis. Good to be here. Yeah. For the fun words. Oh, no. Well, it's just a awesome like, And and that's the thing is no matter what you might be looking for. You've put out a lot of good stuff. Tripod pods, optics. You just... Do an awesome job and just hit the nail on
the head. And I try to explain things to my buddies and I can't really do it very well as I don't really I guess, understand every detail and, like, why things are the way they are, and you do such a good job, so don't know. It's awesome. So the fourteenth van. What do you think? Yeah. I think
I think they're... Kinda 1 of those. Every once a while you get that, like, market resetting optics that comes out and like, some of the ones that I think really turned the corner where, like, the Z apps with their full
ballistic functionality. Mh. And then, you know, others came up to meet those, but mimic came out, they kinda of really set the bar, and and the tiny spotter from came Sw and Ko, well, pretty much every spine scope from Ras and C are really leading leading edge of optic technology and and I think that these N l 14 are in that vein also, I think they're just they're gonna be really popular. That's what I saying. And even at their price point. Yeah.
And, you know, I I'd... I think, like, there's been, like, 3 times in my life that I feel like I was, like, blown away optically. And I would like, say the first time, like, back in the early 2 thousands when I ever looked through, like, in my... My first pair of, like, looking through an alpha para of glass. Like, I was just like, whoa, this is unreal, you know, just using cheap oc. And then when that 10 n
come out, I was just like, whoa. Like, I didn't even know it could get this good, And then I thought the same thing, like, the first time, so it was... I think I've had them for, I think this is week 3. Just blown away. Like, the first time I was just like, I cannot believe this. And it's just the weirdest, and maybe we can dive into this, but, like, why it is, like that, but like the ergonomic. I mean, obviously, you're gonna probably wanna put 4 on a tripod. But even still, like,
hand holding them. I felt like I could that kinda hand them a little bit, not that I ever wanna hunt with them, but just like blown away, like the clarity, the color the field of you. It's just like this next level experience that I just... I don't know it's hard to explain. No. I think I think our... Maybe that's what L actually stands for is next level because that's what they did with that's what they did with the field of view up and down the range Yes. From the eights all the way up.
And they continue that with these. The field view is just monstrous. But I gotta ask you, like what do you think about the magnification? I know they say they are 14 and they're they're a little 14 plus ish, but having them max... To the fifteenth, and I gotta tell you that it's... The experience is that it seems like more. Dude What you find? So I am so glad you said that because it was 1 of my first questions. To you, was like, what did you think?
Because I thought the same thing, like... So when they said 14 And then I heard this, like, actually more than 14. It's, like, 14, and I've heard a couple numbers ran around, like, 14.714 0.5. But, dude, when I first looked at him and, like, I had my fifteen's on a tripod right next to it and I'm like, going back and forth. I don't know if it's the field of you, like if it's just my brain. I don't know, but dude, I think the exact same thing that like it feels like it's...
Like 16 or 7... I don't know. It feels like it's more to me. I... It's weird weird than the 15. Right? Yes. I mean, does. Yes. You have them right next to each other. It feels like the 14 have more magnification. And I... You know, there's there's a lot of weird process. Options that go into evaluating optics sit... And something you always have to remember, would you start doing comparisons and doing reviews is that, like, options a big component as that is that
computer behind your eyes? Mh. And and they do. They they give you little false impressions sometimes, but there is something about them. They just feel like more magnification. I... I'm so glad you said that. And like, we didn't talk about this. Before before, like, this is the first time like this. We've just barely sat down and talk to them. I thought I was gonna say the exact same thing. Like, I felt like, They're more. It's the weirdest thing, that feedback,
and I... Like, there's just so much that's coming in. Like it's just so clear. And the other thing that I I was really curious to hear your thoughts on was like it low light. I could not believe the detail I was seeing. So I had this buck. It was 20 minutes. It was like, right. I looked at my clock. It was like, 20 minutes before sun up. So we're talking pretty dark. Way past a thousand, I think you was probably
upwards of, almost 2000 yards away. Not a great bug, but so I'm looking at him in the fourth, and I was just like, whoa. Like, I could see the detail, and I'm going back and forth between my fifteenth. And the fourteenth try setup up side by side. And the detail I was seeing, I was just like, how
like, how... If it's less power and like, all of these things, I know there's so much that goes into this, but, like, the low light, I was nervous about it because they're a 52 objective lens versus 56, and I was like, that's pretty big difference, And I was kinda thinking, you know, how is that gonna play out? And I was just my mind was blown. Like, I could not believe the differences I was seeing. Yeah. I'm that's it's really curious this is definitely an area I wanted to get impressions.
And I think formatting this podcast this way is absolutely perfect. Where we had no pre discussion over. So I have It's interesting to hear you say that, so I want to distinguish between, like, the general illumination level and, like, how a apparently break everything look. Mh. Between the 2 versus the detail you can see in that elimination. Gotcha. And so what what are you seeing? So between the 15 by 56 and the 14 by 52. What are you seeing in in, like, general
brightness? Like, and how late you can go into the evening and still, and get a usable image. So this book, like, he was coming out, so I I should give a little context to it because it could really matters background, all of that stuff. So he was kind of and some darker green grass, and, like, kinda just feeding out. So didn't have, like, a really light background behind him, when I when I first spotted the deer, I was just blown away
I was like, whoa. Like, that deer is out there, and I kinda had to, like, check myself. I'm, like, how far is that dear. And the detail I was seeing as dark as it was. And I mean, usually, like at that distance, So... And this is this held true. So when I put my... The 15 S on him, it was almost like it was just a blurry set of. Like, you could see the ant, but to try to get definition and points and all of that stuff. And we're talking just, you know, a buck with, He was a little 4.3
to 4 inch deep forks. Nothing great, but I could see all of that. In the N l's, like, I could make it out. And then when I went back to the S llc, like, it was like, blurry. Like, I wouldn't have been able to tell exactly if that kinda makes sense. And so Interesting. Yeah. And, like, the definition just seem to be way better, like, quite a bit better. The other thing that I noticed is as I was glass with them. Was I did have some deer, like, in some shadows, so if it was 9AM.
Deer kinda feed, and I was kinda going back through, and it was a doe and some fawn, and I'm going back and forth between them and like the color pop, of those deer in the shadows. And sw off he's always had this to me. Like, in for my eyes, I feel like they always kinda pop that color, like the color of a deer so they got kinda red coats and kinda pop
it, but I felt like it was... And I don't know I'm like, am I talking myself into it, and I'm like to these are just unreal like that color pop and to see that definition behind, like, the comparison between the background, like the deer versus its background, it just... There's just something about it. Like, I I couldn't believe it. It was really surprising. Yeah. So generally, what I've been skiing in low light is that the... The general illumination
is actually pretty similar between them. Gotcha. So you get you get to... What, in my experience with the 2 samples I have. Would you get to the same time where 1 cons out and you just can't see anything? The other 1 is Cock had it. Look. I identity Right switch. But until of that time, I could definitely see more detail in the else. Than I could in the S c's. Yeah. See I I thought the same thing.
You got... They're just... Super impressive and then the other the other side of it is just that field of view, especially when you're glass things that are in that, like, thousand yards plus. Mh. It's just so much bigger. Do you see so much more of the amount? It's an unreal right to the edge. Yes. It's really, really impressive. And I a wanna, like talk down on the S. They're still...
Just amazing. They're just said great. Yes. A good a great high power modular and and if you didn't have the l's right next time, you'd just be wow the whole time. Yes. For sure. But about the ls do take it a step further they're just a really well designed off. And low distortion, straight lines remain straight,
just a really impressive optic. And I... We're getting into lots of spoilers on written review, but really, I hope that 3 years go on check it out and and check out the distortion notes and and kinda get a good feel for it, but, the truth is but with this level of performance, even though their at at price level that they're at. Over 3000 dollars. I think that I I actually was expecting them to be more I don't what. I I actually thought
the same thing. When I first, So when I first heard about the release, I immediately called my optics dealer, and I'm like, dude, I hope you already got me on for... And he's like, yeah. I got you down. I was like, what are the... What's the price gonna be? And he's like, I, I don't know. He's like, I'm hearing some numbers and when he threw it out. I was like, really that's, like, I was worried, I was going to be, like, significantly more. And the whole reason I think I was so excited.
To get them was just I was so blown away at the tens and right when the tens come out. I was like, man, I wonder if they're gonna do, like, a 15 or a 4... You know, I I didn't ever think 14. I was thinking man, they ever gonna do, like, a higher power ocular, because I sure hope so and sure enough. They've they've done it. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, moving on to the next thing, that's part of my review and I think part of yours is, what did you think about the hand ability? Dude I was really
surprised. And I, I don't, like... Because typically, you know, a pair of 15. You just... They're like my S I just cannot. Like, I feel like they're almost unusable. Holding by hand. Unless I can, like, rest my elbows, you know, maybe on the side of a truck or on my knee something, that without doing that, they're really just to stand and hold them, they're almost unusable, and I could not believe, I because you know, you grab the pair of.
First thing you do is you just put them up to your eyes and you look. And I was like, whoa, like, it I was really surprised and it's... Again, and you got... You have talked about this, but the ergonomic of that N series is just... It's unbelievable. I was so shocked that I could actually hold them and actually
kind of, like, the... Not that I would wanna do it, but I think you know, for a short period of time, Like, if you wanted to verify a deer, was a deer, whatever something along those lines, I think a guy could do it. And get away with it? I... What was your thoughts on that? My thoughts were that this is the first, like, truly high magnification molecular, but I think I could actually use that hand holding. Yes. Per general observation. Yeah. I certainly would prefer a can. Yes.
Just because it's so much easier. Mh. But if you lock that to your ball, Mh. And you... And you really drive it into the orbital bones of your eyes, your eyebrow. Yep. You can get you can get usability steady for, like, 6, 08:10 seconds at a time. Where you can actually use them, which... I, And I'm sure there's people that can do that with, like, a 15 S, but I could... Yeah. And I'm in the same. But just 2 It's just too much not. The patient is hard to feel the view is kinda of narrower.
It's hard to get it to sort of stabilize for your brain. But these... It's a combination of everything. The ergonomic probably being the biggest part of adam, when they turn the prism and made that sort of you know, sexy curves that they did on series. They they did something to making them work handheld so much better. Yeah. Now I'm not gonna say, like, I'll prefer them on the track front. Trust me. Yes. Any any is gonna be better on yes. For sure.
And as you go up in magnification, they get that much better as you go up, but I will say that they are hand so much so that if I was on a certain hunt, I have a... I'm thinking of an El con, a late rifle content that I I do often. Where these are just be great because I spend, like, all day in the same spot, glass through burns. Mh. But on the way there, and back, I wouldn't feel like they need to have them another a mono molecular
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And this morning, I was loading my stuff up, and I'm like, you know what? I'm not even gonna take my tens. Like, I'm taking these 4. I know what I'm gonna use all day. And as I was walking out, I checked a couple, like I put them on my chest. And not that I would probably go hunting like that. But like, it was the first time that I've never had my tens with me, and I didn't feel like I needed them wanted them just because I was just so blown away and this filled of
view. But That was 1 thing, the... And I'm kinda weird like, when I'm glass for mule air, generally in the morning, even and I've always usually pack a pair of 15. I would generally do a pretty rapid scan with my tens just to find every deer, that's kinda out and about that I can kinda check them off the list. Like, what's this? What's this? What's this? And I just felt like I could do it more efficiently with... Then, like, with my 15 by 56. And today, I didn't feel like I needed
those tens. Like, I just felt like that field of you was so big. I could get all of those deer that were, you know, like, really popped out at that first early morning. I could run through, check them all and then kinda get more serious on glass. I was just I'm blown away by. I really am just so impressed. Yeah. They're because they really did take it a step. Further with them. I think they're they're also just they just feel so much smaller and more compact than the 15 so
series here. I know and so... Also Caesar are attained. Yeah. And these things feel like almost like you're they... You what they feel like is, like, 1 of their Abby ko prism. 10 to 40 twos. Are kinda longer. Yes. Yes. Still like that. It's just it's just a really good spot. That's Where ras found. I'll put this configuration. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. And this was another interesting thing And guys, like, I think it's hard to... It's hard to when you're really talking about,
Like, because the way, I was... That's 1 thing that I was I was thinking when I held them in my hand for the first time I was, like, man, these things got away like, a half a pound less than the fifteenth. Like, I just they just feel so much different. But I was kinda surprised when I actually put them on my skill. I was like, well, they're not that much different. I mean, I think I had... Like, what was it, like, 6, 7 ounces or something? I think that was about right. Yes. I... Yeah.
I think that's about what it is. Which is getting close to half. Yeah I I guess that's true. So, yeah. I mean, I I don't know. It just... They kinda surprised me and the... You know, and then the height, you know, like they're... I don't know. They're... I think what are they a quarter inch? Something no, maybe a half inch shorter, something like that than the fifteen's. Little more narrow. Just under 7 inches. Yep.
So... Makes. And it's... It was interesting. I actually was so excited that I was able to put them, like, in my Mars fully enclosed. I was actually able to put them in a medium versus that long pack, you know, first... Like, that kind of stuff just... And it makes a difference pack them around, and I think they're just a little more user friendly. I don't know. I'm super impressed. Yeah. But I think a lot of people depending on their hunting style
are gonna go for them. I think, like, cows hunters and, you know, desert newly hunters. Yeah. Just gonna flock to these. I think they're I think they're just gonna sell thousands and of them of those guys. And I... They're not necessarily gonna replace. The 10 by 42 for me or the 8 by 32 or that's another. Awesome sound really like. Especially for, like, a car in the chamber of that sort of thing. I'm just not gonna need a 14 power vernacular for that, but
for sure. And for those alpine mule glass intensive hans that, you know, the late elk burn rifle hans. Yep. And bonds just they're just gonna go together, you know, well as long. I'd completely agree man. It's it's like, so fun talk to you just your thoughts and, like, how I... Yeah. I because everything like lines right up. 1 question I had for you. What was your thoughts about the new stud design. Did you did you get the sw offs stud to put him on a tripod?
I have the... I think it's a As adapter from... Okay. With the lever, and it kinda slides in and then slides up, and I gotta tell you. I'm a big outdoors and then fan. Mh. And I pretty much get studs for all of my bin for from outdoors beds. Van And then I run a lot of Arc, tripod stuff. So I got either the outdoors one's version and Arc or I get adapter. Gotcha. To put Arc on, but the the So adapter comes with an arc compatible base, and it's got a good. Firm lever. I don't know. Do you have
1 for yours? I don't... So I actually was using the... Let me think what it's called. I forget. It's like the strap over is what I had to use until I got outdoors stud sent to me. I think I had that in my hands, last Friday. Or, yeah. This last Friday. So I've... I switched since, but I... The... What are the Ut or whatever the kind of the strap overs is what I was first using. And that's obviously not ideal, but, I'm super impressed outdoors stud is super awesome the way it works. I feel like,
it's really a secured design. Like, I really like it. It's a little more simple than the old N, how it was screwed in there. I think I had to use some lock tie. It was just... It took me 2 seconds. Like, it didn't even come on instructions. It's, like, put this on. Here you go. Like, you'll figure it out. So So does it cam in then the outdoor is? Yep. Yep. So it cams in and then the outer, so it's got...
It's kinda weird you would tighten it through the outside, basically, with that, like, the Allen wrench, the... But it's, like a 2 piece design, so it goes inside comes up super cure. I'm really impressed. Yeah. So I think that would be a good solution. I do think that Sw rob. In house adapter that I'm using is really good. That's awesome are. It's the first 1 that I've really used that kinda meets that outdoors standard and it actually, like, deals with the, you know, the loosening, the the
yes. And Yeah. How rotation. On the accents there that you get with outdoors and some. It's a little less with those ras adapter. Which I really like. It's kinda got a nice tension there you can get upset just... Cool. Like, if your tripod pods is a little off, k or. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a it's a good solution. I think it's a little heavier than outdoors and solution on... And, you know, I haven't quite got weights on those yet. That's coming this week but,
Yeah. I think it's clear that Sw is really... Listening to North American, western hunters, and they're sort of driving the market, I think. Yes. Because this is a tailor they're made product for people like us. Oh, yes. I... Like, I'm so excited about it. I did. And I honestly, every time I get behind them I just can't help a smile. I'm just like these are unreal, and I have to say, they like, I thought the 10 n l
was the best ocular. I have ever used in my life, and I have to say this 14, like, is the best spectacular I have ever used, like, I... I've only been up behind it. Like I said, I think, you know, 6 days, I think, like, scouting days. Some of those were morning and I and a couple mornings mixed mixing. But I'm just blown away, and I actually let my buddy use them. Hit, like, an hour into... I have to say, he's like, I think these are the best.
I have ever looked through, like I cannot believe it would. Do do you dare go that far? You know, I don't know. I feel the the closest to ocular perfection I've seen, and I I did a full review on the 12. Power else, and they were great. They're the best 12 I've ever used. I have a little bit of time with the tens I really think that's the best overall bin vernacular used is the 10 n l. Yes.
For just everything. Yes. But as far as high magnification goes, there's nothing that's really gonna be close to this. It's the 15 S amazing, I would say that the 15 Is every bit is good. I really like the 18 that are coming out from, like, the ultra Hd from Vortex. That's not a really good ocular. I haven't done a full deep dive on them, but from the time I have spent with them. I think they're just
really good. And I think there's some of the 18 from that same family from some of the other companies are really good. But the an is the king. Yes. It is. It's less 1 that's available now. It's the first 1 that's, like, truly hand. And I... I don't wanna, like, give them this impression. That... Yeah. Throwing your tens away. Using. It's not. Yeah. But instead of, like... Immediately unusable, like a all time magnification are handheld. You get a few seconds a good usable
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And I can't wait to read your, like, review and in up and, like, the field of view differences and, you know, just all of those things that you're gonna hit on. I I hope... And I think the, so you're gonna put some images up and people will be able to kinda see a little bit. Mean, it's hard to see it in an image without putting it up to your eyes. Like, I always say that, like, they're just mind blowing, but III think people are gonna love seeing gear review
on. I'm excited to see it. I know that. Yeah. I think The stuff like distortion is easy to show with the digital scoped image. There's... You can show some of the color f from chromatic duration sometimes as long as you're approximating. Mh. You're never gonna show the full resolution and a digit scope image. Yeah. Never happen. Yep. That the little camera lens is never gonna capture everything that the knocked can show your eyeball. Yep. But I will say that they're not optically perfect.
They they're like, most of the top ends Sw ras Bin vernacular have that, like, center field is is almost perfectly corrected. And can't see any abe operation. But then as you go to the edges of that really wide. I think it's, like, 279 feet to a thousand yards for till that's impressive. 14, which is not... You know, there's... There was a time when that was, like your pretty standard 10 by. Yeah. That would be.
Yeah. But but when you get to the edges of that super wide field of you, you do start seeing. Some some lack of acuity, some chromatic abe operation, ranging showing, that sort of thing, and you can you can read about then my review. They're they're not perfect. They gotta reach some room, I guess, to improve something. For they are... The they are the best I've seen. Above 12 hour chariot. That's awesome. Like, yeah. I'd I'd I know it was just mind blowing. I'd...
I just can't say it enough. Like, I'm just so blown away, like, looking through him and, like, what I have thought so far and just... How they've kind of really exceeded in almost every way. And it and does it... Is it where do you... Like, it almost feels like the field of you is like, I should I don't wanna say too much, but it's like, I keep... Like, it's so big that it just blows my mind looking through it. Yeah. You look like you're... You feel like you're looking around a corner.
I do. Like, it was just so Ad x. The Ad XNL, but that truly it feels like you're looking around behind. Basically. You... It's so crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They've done a really great job and that's sort of where it is, and, you know, we've gotta give kudos to the competition because, So rossi wouldn't be making these kind of, like, amazing, you know, boundary pushing op if it wasn't for these other companies, pushing them to do it. So For sure. It's a good time for hunters. No. That is so
true. Like, and it it's gonna be interesting to kinda see... What the other companies answers are, you know, and, like, can... It's just gonna be really interesting to see how things progress over the next. You know, 05:10 years. It's just wild Crazy time to be a a hundred for sure. Seems like every year, there's something awesome coming out. So it's wild. Yeah. Especially recently, we've had some really good releases. And from from the emails, I'm getting there's more
common. So... Well, that's great to hear. Can Eye on that hunting optic, market because yeah. Yeah. So, Matt, I'm gonna throw some links up to your review on these 4. I'm also gonna throw some links up to your reviews of some of the other bin particulars especially that that 12 I think a lot of people are kinda sitting on the fence. I... I've had a couple people just mentioned to me. Like, So do you go with the 14? Do you go with the 12?
Do you go with the 10? And I'm like, I don't know It depends on your budget and there all that has to play in, but this 14, it really is unbelievable light. I don't know. It's hard to answer that question for... If you had to have 1 ocular, maybe the 12 is the answer. I don't know. But this... I don't know. Maybe he could get away with, I don't know. It depends on your style of hunting, I guess, A lot that goes into it. I would I would tell you that if it was me, and I'm just not 1
bin kinda guy. Yeah. Me too. I'm gonna go... I'm gonna go with the tens for my everyday, and then I would skip the 12 and go at these. Yes. I'm a magnification 1. That's the way I would go. Personally. And I... That's how, I am set up right now is, like the 10, I think, just for an all around. Handle, like, to be walking around, your hiking and you see something, you know, up in the timber, whatever you're doing, either still very usable on a tripod way out a distance, but I I agree.
That's that's my thoughts too. In 12. I just feel like there's something about that 10, like, handheld image that's, like, crisp enough the is so great and the 12. I I mean, it's good. I know you can handle, like, it's good, but I don't know. I agree. That's where I land too. Well, and some some hunters are gonna go for the 12 and find it that perfect balance. Between, you know, sure. But it is it is it is hard to beat these 4 And and the 10 is always gonna be the
king and pretty sure. Yeah. I think so. I think it'll always. Yeah. There's just something out of 10 power ocular. I don't know if it's just, like, what are I... Like, they're just... Yeah. The... It's it's pretty hard to be. Yeah. Well, dude Thank you so much for jumping on, man. This was kinda of short and sweet. Check out match reviews, everyone. And maybe just mention the Cow, the 55. You would would you just mention briefly, Like, what are, like, that's coming out
too. You're working on that? Maybe talk about that a little bit. Yeah. Well, we're talking about that sort of competition pushing. These cal. And and I understand that this... The pillow was in the works prior to to the Atc being reviewed, but the Atc kinda. Yeah know. Took over that ultra compact. To market, and I did my review on it, which people can read on rock side. But now I'm adding in the the new ko 55 and they did something very similar to Sw
ras. They adapted their big spot wet angle zoom piece. To the, compact spotter. And it's not the same. I... It's not the same ips in that you can remove it you know, and you get on other spotter, it's it's a fixed it's fixed to the scope, but it is based on the same design and so you get that really high performance. From that full size Ips. And the effect is pretty dramatic. And the Atc is not standing alone at the
top anymore. And people that appreciate a dual focus, traditional knob, spotter, or they already have a bunch of digit scoping accessories for their full size core or whatever, they're gonna really appreciate that little 55 day. That's awesome. It's a really nice spotter. As far as optics go, it's another sort of spoiler. For that review, but you're not gonna choose between those 2 spot based on a, resolution chart either close or far.
You're not gonna be able to choose between them based on field of view the specs are so similar. But it's really gonna be that experience. Do you want a fully rubber armored spotter with a helical full focus in the middle or if do you want a traditional spotter with the dual rate focus, and you can make your decision outlook.
That's awesome. Well that... That sounds good. Because Cow kinda had the the small spotter market, I kinda felt like, before Sw ops come out with the com compact, And now it's cool like that they're kinda, you know, getting right back up there, and, yeah, that's this is awesome. Yeah. Those spot... Those 2 companies have spotting stuff pretty much in the thanks. Yeah. Well, it's good. It's good to... And it's good to see competition like you said. I...
I think you're exactly right? We wouldn't see, you know, all of these boundaries being pushed without it, so it's awesome. Yeah. In time. Yeah. For us west Western hunters are like to look a long way. For sure. Well, it's so good that companies care about it too because I mean... It's a... I'm glad I mean, you know, because there's... I mean, a big high power bin vernacular is kind of probably not... You know, at the top of a lot of the burden communities list. I don't know
maybe it is, but... So I don't think Yeah. I mean. I'm pretty seriously her. So it's it's just awesome to see that we are being thought about. That's a really good thing. So... For You. Yeah. What it goes to show you that that hunters are willing to spend their money kid? Yes. For sure. Yeah. And I think... I know I know I I know it's bad. I like, go, I I kind know it's, like, I don't see any newer releases for a little while because Jeez. It's getting to kinda out of control
my wife. She was, like, you got another pair, and I'm like, yeah. Yeah. I did. So... Yeah. Well, Matt, thank you so much, man. Yeah. Thank you, Travis. It's good to talk to you again, and we'll talk in soon. With the help of sports men and women and concerned citizens, we can defeat the hunting bands here in Colorado. Go to save the hunt colorado dot com. Thanks for listening.