All right, we continue on, Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on a five to seventy LA Sports. If you're just jumping on, don't forget. We are giving away sweet tickets for the game Saturday at the stadium against the Podres. We'll do it between now and three o'clock. When we give you the computer call, if you are the correct caller, you're going. And that's the kind of people we are, Rodney, that's what we do. We give away, fred You know what I'm saying. We give it away our listeners
because you guys are loyal and we love you. But we got giveaway all the time we give away to it hurts. I'm in pain. I'm in pain. We give away so much, but you don't have a chance to be Listen, Freddy, tell me if I'm wrong. We could just sit here and when they throw it out, hey we got this, We got that. We could just pocket that. We could keep it for ourselves. We could go to the suite ourselves and just go to the game, take our families and go hang out and have a good time. But what do
we do. We say, no, let's give it away to our people. Yes, let's give it away. Yes, right, that's what we know. Mean we don't go. We don't use it for ourselves, which we have every right to. We have every right to go to the game when we get these things, these these tickets, these packages, whatever we you know, may want, we can get it anytime we want to. We can get it from Am five seventy Dave Weese just you know, he loads us up on stuff. But what do we do. We give it
to the people. Fred, that's right, the people, and you don't have a chance to win, so stay with us. And a man joining us now has been a winner every day of his life. It is our good friend who sat in the big chair, Ned Koletti and Ned, how are you? What a wonderful introduction. Not sure it's accurate, but thank you doing good getting ill tell you this, Net, I don't I know, Fred says, sat like he's in the past. Is brother, you always sitting in the big chair, big fella, you always in the big
chair, my man. Don't get it twisted at all. You guys are kind. You guys are very kind. Been honored to know, yet honored to come on your show every so often. Good stuff so yesterday, Ned, Ned, No, my man, my man is like he thought he thought it was. It was gonna be one fifty five and seven. That's what he thought he was gonna be. You know what I mean, He's gonna be one fifty five and seven. That's what he thought it was gonna be. So he's a little he's a little panic man, all right.
So give me, give me your give me your take. So far, ned, Listen, they've they've played what fifteen sixteen games so far, had a couple of road trips. Your assessment of the Dodgers as they start the season right now, Well, as we look at the offense, especially the top half of it, I mean, it is as advertised show. Hey, Hernandez, Betts, Freeman, Will Smith, even Max decent little average going. You know. That's that's as probably as good as it gets.
When you have those all clustered together. Your pitching is gonna trying to get those guys out a little bit more out of CT three obviously, and Gavin and uh, you know, I'll been good to see him hit a couple of the other day. But you have almost a top two thirds of a lineup that is like an all star team. You got to get the bottom third going a little bit. Pitching I think has been good. I think we see what with Glass now brings. I said, you know that that
is really exceptional. We knew this stuff was exceptional. In his case, it's just a matter of keeping him on the mount. But he's been great. Miller's been good, Yamamoto after the one starter has been excellent, Patson has been okay. Grove and Stone, you know, I got to kind of tee that up a little bit, a little bit better. But that's all possible. But I think it's I think they're gonna run away with the West and I think Atlanta losing Strider for who knows how long, maybe the
entire year. Yeah, makes the Dodgers really the prohibitive favorite in the in the al easily easily in my mind. And that when you start the season like this, I mean, how much of it in the first month of the season. How much of it is the feeling out process, figuring out what you get and even if you have, you know, multiple returning starters, people that have been with your club for a number of years, every year is different. Every year it's got a new feel to it, new
touch to it. How much of the first month of the season. Is that feeling out process, getting used to guys in different maybe even in different positions, getting guys playing around with the lineup, playing around with the rotation, playing around with lefty righty combinations in the outfa of the infield, like with Hayward and Lux and Oscar, I mean Tia, Oscar, Hernandez and things like that. How much of it is and how long do you go
with that feeling out process? Well, I would always try to get to May before I did anything drastic, before I made any major decisions or even gotten halfway to a major decision. I will let the month of April play out. You've got players that are veterans that are going to come into camp in different shape than than younger players. People people kind of get up to speed at different times. So I think it was invaluable to wait the four
weeks before you do anything really major. I think you got to let things play out, and things will start to develop. You'll start to see certain trends, you'll start to see some young players either struggle or really start to
find their way in that first month. But you're you're always you're always thinking about what's coming next, and you're always you always know that what you don't know, you're going to need to know, but you may have like a couple hours to figure it out, so you're always kind of on guard with
it. But I would April was the one month of a regular season that I would just let play and let it play out, give people different opportunities, see how it fits, see where they're at mentally, see where they're at compete wise, and see how the other teams are doing too a little bit, but really concentrate on your own club and see what you think you're gonna need, or who's gonna need a little bit more time in development,
or who's kind of made that stride that hey we're gonna we're gonna ride this player for a while. No Kaladi is with us, Fred Rogan, Rodney Pete on a five seventy l A Sports. So using that logic, when I look at the pitching, I think it's been good. I don't think it's been great. But at points, do you, well, glassnow has
been very good. But do you just sit back now and just even with that net, let it all unfold here for a month, Yeah, and you look at how at the different situation said that Michael Grove has been in at Gavin Stone has been in to take two young guys and and to see how, you know, how they've adapted, if they've adjusted, what are some of the things that you see that are concerns, you know, is is it getting behind hitters? I think Stones walk you know, four guys
in eight Inny something like that. So you know, you you take your younger players and you really kind of see how how the competition is competing against them, how they compete against the competition, and if there's an adjustment or two you could make to kind of fine tune where they're at. I think the pitching by and large has been good. I mean they're ten and five and they've they've got their main guys that they're looking to to to really help
them all season long. You know, they don't walk many people, they don't give up many hits. You know, they're they're tough to handle, and I think that you know, with the bullpen, we'll see how that develops as a year goes on. But certainly the rotation I think is is better than anybody else's rotation coming out of the gate. I don't think there's any doubt you mean ya, I'm a motals first start. I mean you erase that and you know you've got what you what you thought you had.
Yeah, any concerns with with Bobby Miller. You know he struggled in Chicago, Yeah, you know he was he was okay, I only gave up two runs and in uh, in Minnesota, I thought he was okay. Wasn't great, but okay. He's still a young pitcher, still learning the game, learning how to pitch. But with his stuff, you know he's going to be special. Uh. Are there any concerns with him early on or is it just kind of the same thing, feeling out his process helping
him grow as a picture right now? Well, I think that's what it is. He has got great stuff, and he's a he's a big kid. He's got he's got power stuff, and you know, he's not accomplished quite yet. You know, he's he's still finding his way, so he's going to have moments that he's going to struggle. You know, the Chicago game was a was a good example of that didn't last very long, but you're going to have that. And I think that one of the great attributes
of the way the organization has done. What they've done is their patients with people, their patients with hitters, with pitching, especially young pitching and young hitters. They are more patient than any team I've ever been around, because they know they're good. They know that they have talent, and they know that they have depth, and they know that the other teams can't really keep the pace with him. So I think you're going to see him have a
bunch of opportunities. I think he's somebody that you you need to continue to develop because he's got a chance to be special. He's like six four sixty five. That's a lot. That's a big man right there, kid though really twenty four to twenty five years old. You've got to be patient with it, even though it's going to aggravate you once in a while. You've got to be patient with it because as the year goes on, he's going to pitch in some big games. He's already pitching some big games and gotten
some big outs. But as you think about that, I also think about, Okay, you got Walker Bruhller going to join this staff too at some point. For me, he's one of the most competitive guys I've seen in the last ten years. So you're going to add him to the group. When you add him and he's healthy, suddenly everybody else, not everybody else, but a couple guys, including Bobby Miller, may slide down a little bit, so a little bit less expect that expectation, a little bit less
pressure at that point in time. But I think when you look at the at the at the size of Bobby Miller and you look at the stuff that he brings, I think he got to just be patient and continue to have him learn and gain confidence as the year goes on, because there's not many like him. He's got a chance to be not just a major league starter, but he's got a chance to pitch in the top three in a rotation
in time. So if he's your fourth or fifth and he starts to figure it out again like he did last year for a while, how special is that? Patience is the key thing to do. Tough to do, but you gotta have it. Got to have it with Gavin Lutch too, a
little bit different. I mean he's coming back after a big injury. That is that to me is stell stell kind of he'p trying to figure that one out, you know, great young player coming up, but you know he's stalled installed in some regards, and where is he at and how are you going to play this? You know, playing Mookie at shortstop the entire year,
I don't know if I would be encouraged by that. Muokie can do anything, but you're not talking about a guy be size of Corey Seeger playing shortstop, talking about a smaller a smaller frame, and that position will besides the catching position, there's no other position that's got more going on in the
course of a game, both mentally and physically. So if you're going to ask somebody who did it years ago in a different, different way, so to speak to a different level, that's one thing, But to do in the big leagues it's a totally different dynamic. I think, you know, I had for call here kind of a smaller guy, and when you got to August, late August, early September, as great as Raffi is, he, you know, he started to take one more step or it started
to be just a little bit slower. So I think some of that is as we bring that up because of Gavin is Gavin. You know, let's take it as a shortstop and the season started, So that's a little bit different for me. But whenever you make a move, whenever you make a move, whether it's a manager, a staff, or players, you may
give somebody a chance to catch your breath. That's one thing. But if you're going to make a definitive move, you better be sure that who's ever going to sit in that seat next is going to be definitive to be better. You can't guess on it. You can't say, well, I think
might be now you've got to pretty much know. So again, it's patients, But that one, Gavin I think is different than Bobby Miller, and how I guess measure what my patience would be at this stage, Man, I'm a I'm a reflecting toot my horn a minute because of what you just said, and I agree with you. Playing shortstop other than catcher, is the most demanding position on a baseball field because there's so much going on and you're so involved in every single play, and to move Mooki from right field
to to shortstop is a different dynamic. And you're you're also asking him to be the leadoff hitter and your catalyst. I mean, every time that lineup turned over, you're looking at Mookie Betts in the in the on deck circle, going here we go, here we go. It starts something and it's something new, so that pressure is on him. And then there were talks about maybe you know lat in games from defensive you know situations, and maybe
put Rojas in it's at shortstop and move Mookie the second or whatever. As the season goes on, how do you think this will play out for MOOKI do you think that it Do they look at it as we want to make sure that we keep his offense intact and not mess with that, or do we let him ride out short stop even though there might be some challenges later on in the in certain games in the innings, Well, I would probably take the choice. Hey, I think I think you're If you had another
option, I think you'd use it. He can play second bag. I mean, he could win to go glove in any of the three positions. It's not a matter of how well he can play it. To me, it's more a matter I mean, we always talk about October. Forever, We've been talking about October. It seems so that is late September October.
Are your key points in time? Got to get there? You gotta stay healthy all those things, But what is what would one hundred and forty five games at shortstop due to any player, let alone somebody who's who's not six three sixty four. So I think you, I think you look for a solution to that. You know, playing Mookie the first six or seven at short and then and moving the Miggian to play the last couple. You know that works. Does that work all the time? Probably works well enough until
something else can present itself. I'm not so sure that if there's a shortstop available that they don't make a run for it, that they don't try and do something to gain another shortstop to take situation off Mookie and also let Rojas be the extra guy, play all over the infield and play great defense. But I think if if somebody becomes available in time, and there's been some people banning about for over a year now that play shortstop for other teams in
the league. In fact, I think if that kind of presents itself, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it. But see, they always have the long view too, along with the patients. They have the long view. So do they need that player right now? No, they can wait. They can wait for a price to come down, and they can wait for somebody to become available. They've got that time to do that. Nobody in the division is even five hundred. Everybody's at least a game below.
They're five over, still got things their working on, so they've got the time to let things kind of kind of sort themselves out, let the pages of the season turn and see where they're at at what point in time. But if they went out and acquired an every day shortstop, I'm not going to tell you I'm surprised, just like I wasn't surprised when they signed Otani and when they signed I'mamoto. And when they trade it for a great young
pitcher like Glasgow, that's that's their mo. They're not a They're not really a difficult read because of how they go about it and how strong they are when they do net. We appreciate you coming on and love the info. Thanks so much today. All right, guys, all the best, take care of it you too. All right, Well, it captivated the entire nation. The O. J. Simpson low speed chase. Who can forget it? One person cannot because he was actually in it, and he will
join us next. Yeah, always good, come back a little prince baby. I hear you, Ronnie Rodney, Pete, Fred Rogan on a Thursday, I throwback Thursday. That is beautiful, Sonny, California, La. Son is shining about eighty degrees. Oh yes, what I'm talking about while we live here, well, we're lucky to live here and h here is
where one of the major events of this century occurred. O. J. Simpson and that low speed Chase. Now Conan Nolan, who was still a channel for one of the best in the business, is going to join us. Conan, how are you all right? Well? Fred, nice to hear your voice. Good to hear yours, my friend? Is it really nice to hear his boys called it is? I mean, I've been a Fred Rogan fan for as long as I've been in LA and that's you know,
went on the five decade or four decades. So okay, all right, I just want to double check making sure that you weren't like coerced in to say that by coming up on the show. No coercion. I'm too old for that, aren't we all? Conan? All right? I was trying to explain to these guys on that fateful night somehow you were in the chase, the low speed chase. Can you please tell the story? Sure?
So OJ was supposed to turn himself in, so everybody expected that to happen at Parker Center, which was the police head quarters, and I was dispatched to I think Hollywood Division because they thought, well, maybe Robert Shapiro will send him there. And so once he didn't show up, and the
Deputy Chief, David Gascon announced OJ Simpson is a fugitive from Justice. I remember Mark Coogan from KBC announcing the juice is on the loose using his best teller hotel line, and so I I got said, listen, we're hearing that he may be in Orange County. So a photographer, guy named Dana Roker, who's for years worked for NBC Network. He's a shooter on dateline.
Still there. We get into this little, small little wagon that has no signage on it, and we start heading towards Orange County and we lock in on the CHP radio and we realized that they're chasing him up this way towards us. So I tell Dana to get off the freeway, get back
on, going in the opposite direction, pullover. We switched sides. I got behind the wheel, he took out his camera in the passenger seat, and I looked in the rearview mirror and I saw the failings of police and his wife, Ford Bronco, and then we pulled right in front of him. And that was. That was a moment. I mean people have often said, oh, you know, they when they're describing an event, they say, oh, it was like a movie. Well, there's no movie
that was ever like this. Truth is stranger than fiction. And the next you know, twenty to thirty minutes, it was you know again, I remember seeing and that, you know, we called the assignment desk. I got on the air, started reporting while driving, not something you can do legally anymore with a cell phone to your ear, while Dana took pictures and
we tried. You know, remember that prior to the pursuit, Robert Kardashian had read what sounded like a suicide note where he blamed the media, and so I thought, you know, the last thing we want is for OJ to see the camera and then use that to commit suicide, because we were told he had a gun in the back feet. Yeah, and it was it was a moment, I'll tell you The thing that I remember the most, and we have, you know, lots of video evidence of this,
is how many people, I mean a freeway stopped. The cars on the other lanes on the freeway stopped. People were on the overpasses. I remember thinking, how is it possible. Not only did they have time to find their way to the overpass to watch this, but a few had time to make signs go OJ go Yeah. I just remember while it was happening. There was a unique moment in twentieth century American history, that's for sure.
How in the world, First of all, so you're saying you took over the wheel and your guide started filming as you were driving down the freeway, and then how in the world did you stay on for you said, thirty minutes without them saying, excuse me, we're in a low speed chase with the fusion of OJ Simpson. You got to get off the freeway. What are you doing the freeway? Yeah, that was the back of my head. The last thing I wanted to do was to end up being part of
the story. And I thought, well they I'm sure the cops aren't happy about this, but it wasn't a high speed chase. It was a low speed chase. For the most part. He was telegraphing where he was going whenever. Whenever there was going to be an off ramp or move to another freeway, Alec Collins would reach over out the window and point as to where he was going. So it looked, it looked for all intents and purposes that you know, he was leaving. He knew he wasn't trying to evade
them, although it certainly looked that way. He was on his way to either the house at Rockingham, and that's where it ended up. And my biggest concern stopped being the police, but the other cars, because people were getting into car wrecks. In fact, that's the when we pulled out. Uh it eventually it was because two cars had collided in front of me and uh and I realized, holy ship, excuse me, holy cow, we want that Sorry sorry boys, uh and uh that you know this, you
know we're going to get involved in a wreck too. Uh and uh, So at that point we we let them pass and the cops, you know, al Colleens passed us and so did the cops, and then they made their way to the off ramp and then onto to Rockingham did you at that point you were out or did you follow them? Uh? We we followed them. Uh but but yeah, but it was pretty much over there there there there was a whole you know, caravan of cars and and remember the
number of life you know, code three, lights and sirens. It was it was uh not like the pursuits of today. Uh. There there were units from from one side of the three way to the other, in front of him or behind him. And yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't recommend this to anybody to be on the phone talking on TV while driving in front of a pursuit like this. Uh again, the vehicular code doesn't allow for that
anymore. But the what went through my mind was is a uh just take in the bizarre nature of this, the number of people, the uh, the the the the just you know, if you look at this whole case and we were we were starting to see that at the beginning. But O. J. Simpson's the guy who found himself. You know it was a light Fred, you both of you know this better than anybody. This is a life in front of America, and there was on America's television for decades.
As college football player of NFL Star Pitchman. Remember him running through hurts, hurt ads through airports. Is in the Naked Gun movies with Leslie Nielsen. So he was an actor. He was a sportscaster with an ABC with Howard Cosell. Uh and uh and and then this uh and he and this is a figure who found himself in the in the the convergence of the issues of celebrity, race, domestic violence, policing justice like nobody else had ever been I think in the history of the country. Uh. And it just
all arrived at that moment. And and it's sort of it. It started to gel at that during that pursuit, you started to see the societal impact of this one character and what he represents on so many different areas, not to mention, of course, murder, the deaths of two people, and and that and that and that and that pursuit unlike anything we had seen before. And I hope to God and we'll never see it again. But just trying. Part of the problem was just trying to stay alive and not end
up in an accident. Uh while chronicling this moment Uh that I was almost thirty years ago. That's the question, Colln. I mean in real time. Did you know or did you even have any idea the enormity or the impact of what you were doing at that time and what the situation at that
time was going to be. I'll tell you, Rodney, that when that time happened, and it was the day of the murder, they had called me and I went down to Bundy and uh, and I did a And a lot of people don't know this, but when the cops are done with a scene, they're not It's not their job to clean it up. It's up to the property owner and the at Nichole's condo or townhouse, the property
owner was dead. And so when we did a when we get a remote from that location, there was still blood on the sidewalk on the walkway. And and I remember just before I went on the air, a guy pulled up in a sports car and hopped out and ran up and chipped away some of the plasma off the off the walkway and put it in a little plastic bag. Was the most bizarre thing I'd ever seen. And I remember thinking
at that moment, oh my god, this this is different. Uh, this is you know, I don't think I appreciate just being the enormity of what you know may may happen, because this is kind of freaky. And every day since then, and then of course the nine months of the trial, it just got more bizarre with each passing day. You know, Conan, of everything you have covered, and you've covered it all, and I was there with you for all of it. Have you ever experienced anything like
that period in time? No, absolutely not nothing. And there have been trials and there's been interested in other stuff, there's Michael Jackson, etc. But Fred, you and I have talked about this. I think it's because of the unique position. It was the unique position of the city at the time. Remember we were coming out of Rodney King. Before that, it was Natasha Harlan's young black girl who was killed by a Koreem grocery store owner
and the store owner got probation. The distrust of the LAPD by the black community and other communities of going back decades, the effort by the city to reform itself, all those things coming into play, plus the celebrity. The fact that you know, there were researchers who told me that when it came to focus groups about O. J. Simpson when they were researching him, as a as a as a salesman, as a celebrity endorsement person for say, hurts rent a car he he he researched, as as colorless. White
people didn't see him as black right. In fact, I always thought that there was a segment, there was a those who had bigotry in their heart felt better about themselves because they loved O. J. Simpson and hey, he's black, and so he had a unique position in society before this all happened. And when it did, it pulled into play all sorts of a sundry issues that you never would have related to O. J. Simpson. But he was part of it. He was he was the folk point of
it. So it was more than a trial. It was more than a murder case. It was more than just him. It was it was all of all of the things that we mentioned, and that's one of the reasons why, by the way, it was a national story, it was a global story. I remember the former police chief at the time telling me he was recognized in Kenya as the police chief from OJ Simpsons during the O.
J. Simpson case. And so I don't think we'll we've never I don't think we ever saw anything like it before, and I don't think we'll ever see anything like it again, you know, thank you for doing this. I do miss you and I'm glad you're doing well. I miss you, Fred. I have to tell people your audience and Fred's not paying me for this, but it was always a great day when he walked in the place and you practiced your line of work, Fred at a level that always made
me feel good about being in this business. And so we miss you very much. But I'm a big fan of the show and it's my pleasure. Thanks for asking. Oh my god, thank you, Conan. It's great to hear from you. I told you, Rodney he was skinning the chase. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I love watching Conan right now today. I mean, both Holly and I are big fans of his regardless, but I had no idea that he was actually in the chase until you
told me that this morning. Amazing, amazing story, amazing story of how that kind of evolved and happened in real time. So Conan, thanks for joining us. I mean that was that was great to get him on Fred. Yeah, back in the day, back in the day, at that period of time. Let me tell you, we were fired on all cylinders there. We really were the best in town, and it was because of guys like Conan, who is still there and still banging it out every day.
That was great. Okay, next hour, Dan Wyke is going to join us. Let's try to figure out what's going on now with the Lakers. Don't forget. We've got those sweet tickets to give away, and we will while we come back. I've got numbers. Let's play the number game. Let's do it. Come Home, Come Home, Throw Back Thursday. Man, it is flying by. We got so much to get to. We have gotten to a lot on this show already, but hey, lots
lots more to come. Rodney Pete Fred Rogan on a Thursday. Man, Freddy's crazy the stuff that's coming down right now, and we've got so much going on. I mean, we haven't even touched on so many of things that things that are going on. Dodgers talked to Ned Colletti, which was absolutely always a pleasure to have him because he sat in that chair and gives us the insights of what it means to be a GM crazy day OJ passing, you know, the emotions up and down, rollicals. However you may
feel about him and the situation. We touched on that, but uh, lot's lot's going on today, Fred, Well, don't forget. We talked about Epay. Guess uh Otani's interpreter, who was able somehow to gamble like one hundred and eighty six million dollars. How in fact, we found out now through the FEDS that he was able to change the authorization for Otani's bank account. It was diabolical, is what it was, and that every time they would check with who they thought was Otani, it was actually Epey.
Yeah, hey, it's okay, yeah, transfer that transfer this what what what do I need to do? Yeah? I want to I want to move five hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, yeah, okay, I give you, I authorize it. And it was all Epay, nothing to do with Otani. Honest to god, it was diabolical. I mean, if you're a criminal mind, it was brilliant. Now you get caught if you're a
criminal. Yeah, And obviously he has a horrible addition to gambling. Do you think because a lot of times criminals will have a master plan in the works that they are going to rub elbows, They're going to get close to someone and then they're going to play the long game. Do you think this was a long con, a long game for Epay or was it something that he was a gambler that got caught up and then had nowhere else to go, nowhere else to get out of this situation, and yet he had that
person right next to him and he exploited that. Or do you think it was a long con for him to say, I'm going to be an interpreter for one of these baseball players, and that happens to be the biggest star in the world. I'm going to be an interpreter which will allow me access into his world, and then I'm going to exploit that on a long term, regular basis. What do you think is true that he fell into it or that it was a plan from the beginning, I mean to get close
to with Toani and be the interpreter. I like the thinking on your part. I like the question. Yeah, I'm thinking he just got into trouble and couldn't get out. I'm thinking, you know, he was there, he figured out how to get to that money, then got caught up in gambling and he just couldn't get out. I mean, he as we've learned through the reports. I mean, he's like forty million in the hold of on Tani. If you really break it down, there's forty million in losses.
Golly, forty million. That's a lot. I mean, we know some guys, you know, I'm sure you know people, and I know people. Charles Barkley is a big gambler. I've been out in Vegas with Charles and he likes to throw it down a little bit. I like the gamble. There was a point where I loved the game. I love to go to Vegas on a regular basis, play blackjack, play craps and do
things like that. Never got to the point where I owed, you know, anybody anytime real money, but Charles has Charles has been you know, you take out a credit line and you do it, and it's usually you know, for for guys like that, whatever it may be, you know, fifty grande hundred grand. You take out a credit line and you use that credit line and then you pay it down. But you never go crazy.
But to get to the point where you're sixteen million in terms of gambling debts and you are not in a position to cover that because you are not the player. You're you're not the money maker in that situation. That is baffling to me. Well, and the problem is the book he really thought obviously he was dealing with Otani. Probably so if Otani, yeah, we're
finding out right, wait real quick. But as we're finding out that he used Otani's you know codes and all those things, the bookie absolutely thought he was dealing with Otani who had all kinds of money, and he wouldn't even feel the sixteen million dollars sixteen in the hole. It's like, you're good for it, You're guts, no problems, you got it. We'll keep going because bookies are not gonna let you keep doing that. You know, they know what you should be locked out at and then you got to pay
up. Bookies are not trust me. They're not going to front or give a credit line to an interpreter that is making a best eighty grand I think it. That's eighty grand. They're not going to extend you a credit line like that. No, I mean it was. It was a calculated plan on Epay's part to access those accounts. Let me do this real quick. I've got numbers now in the championship game for the men and the women in
NCAA basketball. All right, TV viewer numbers, now understand this. When I give you the number, there's a little more to it because you can watch the game streaming and things like that. They're not figured into this, but they are should be counted. So the men in their game nationally did fourteen point eight million, all right, fourteen point eight. Then there were some streaming numbers things like that, A million and a half here that so,
but they did fourteen point eight on television. The women did eighteen point nine million on television. Four million more, yeah, four million more watched the women's tournament. But what were they watching. They were watching for Caitlin Clark, the transcendent athlete. So there were let's say fourteen people, fourteen million watching for women's basketball and four million specifically watching the Caitlin Clark. Is this the championship gymps? Right? By the way, this was Sunday afternoon
for the women, in a Monday night for the men. So you would think Kevin that night would do a better number one thousand percent, right, yeah, you would think. And it's it's a Monday night, it's prime time in the East, and that is where you gain your biggest numbers, and Sunday afternoon is usually a wasteland for television. You know, if an NHL game does like a one point five, if it gets a million and a half people watching, that's a good number. And the women's tournament did
almost nineteen million. Yeah, that's so impressive. It's so impressive and great for the women's game, great for the marketing of the women's game, great for the attention and people to And you got to put it this way, because great for certain men that puts aside their egos in terms of the women's game and allowed it to be as grand as it was. Because I know there were a lot the men it is like, oh, mister women's bah blah blah blah blah, it's not that you whatever. But no, they
let it flow and they celebrated these women because it was great basketball. It was great not only you know Kaitlyn Clark. Yes, she was a phenomenon. She transcended the sport. She college basketball has never seen anything like this, you know, And I defended. I go back and say Cheryl Miller was a different era, but still Cheryl Miller was huge and didn't have the outlets that that Caitlyn Clark has But Caitlyn Clark really gave such a boost to
women's basketball. It was incredible, but it also took the world to embrace it, and the world embraced it because of her and the other the competition. I think if Caitlyn Clark did this, there was no Yukon, or there was no USC and Juji Watkins, and there was no South Carolina with
Don Staley, it'd been a different story. It would have been Yukon when Yukon was running away with titles every single year, right, it would have been that, But the fact that there was competition along the way really enhanced it. Sokit Clark, you put her at the top because she was the catalyst for all of that. But hats off to the South Carolina LSU and Angel Reese, you know, the Yukon team with Page Beckers, all of those. That competition in the women's game really made it and put it over
the top. Because if it was just Caitlin Clark and IOWA and they ran away with it, whatever, it wouldn't have been these numbers. All right, we're giving away the sweet tickets this hour. Now you're unnoticed, so don't go anywhere. We'll give you a cue to call when we come back. Let's talk about the Lakers. They put themselves in quite the predicament, and dan Woyki will join us.