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1/23 H2: Dan Woike; The 'tipping' issue

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Dan Woike hops on to talk about the unfortunate layoffs at the LA Times, the Lakers-Clippers matchup tonight and the Bucks making a surprising coaching change. We discuss companies and workers guilting people into tipping for not actually providing services.

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And we continue on Fred Rugan, Rodney Pete. La Sports got word a few minutes ago the Raiders have a new general manager, Tom Telesco. Is that right? Tom to LESCo, tell me t look at him. You knew he wasn't gonna be out there very long. He wasn't, no no. So if anybody, yeah, anybody blaming him for the Chargers woes is doesn't know football, doesn't know what they're talking about. Because he brought some great individual players and unfortunately some of them got hurt during their tenure here.

But the roster year and in year out, the roster that we kept talking about, and not just us, but around the country talked about how good the Chargers roster was the last four or five years, and that was Tom Telesco. So good for him. Congratulations, Dan Whykey covered the Chargers before covering the Lake's with us. Now we'll get to the Lakers in a second. But Dan, what do you think of Tom Telesco? Always very professional, very smart, like a thoughtful, measured kind of general manager, not

super reactive. And I mean that as a compliment, right, Like you don't want management to freak out right, and he I think was very measured obviously struggled at hiring the right coach. You know, they never really found the right guy, uh, but from a talent accumulation, I mean like they it was never like when you looked at the Chargers, you never were like, oh, they don't have a chance this year because of their talent, you know, like they were always sort of in the mix. And

I think that's all you can ask from a football coach. And then whether it's a combination of you know, poor coaching hires, but bad luck, some of these things certainly always play a part in it. And I think I am not surprised to see him get a job so quickly, because you know, I think in addition to being like seemingly a very good person in my time around Tom to let go, you know, he's very competent.

We'll have Bennie on later in the week. Ben he's up in Vegas, of course, and we'll talk more about it before we get to the Lakers. Dan, I don't want to talk about what happened today at the La Times. Some very good people, very very good people got an email and said, you're done, what's happening there? I mean, we just had a big round of layouts. I mean it's really scary, you know, I think there are some incredibly talented people today that aren't with the paper.

And the challenge moving forwards is delivering a product, you know, to a changing readership and letting people know that, you know, like it's worth you know, it's it's worth the money. You know, it's a dollar for six months. And I think you know, Fred Running, I mean it's interesting. I mean we're all the three of us are all of an agent, which like you know, I know, for me, like I woke up in the morning, I read the newspaper like it was the kitchen.

It was a kitchen table thing, Like I get that, and that's not the case anymore. Like I understand that that's not the way people conduct their business. I checked my phone usually right now. Still, I do think that it is important to know that, like you know, like those headlines all come from somewhere, like like there is a level of reporting that goes

into all of this stuff. And you know, I would encourage people it's a dollar for six months, they give us a try, you know that it's it's really important for cities, I mean, not just in sports. I mean certainly not just in sports, but like you know, when you talk about holding people accountable in public office and stuff like that, I mean

that the role of journalism is incredibly important. And just a rough day, guys, i lost some really really good colleagues, and I'm hopeful that all of them will land on their feet, because I know they're all talented. Wow, when you said it just struck me when you said this, it's only a dollar for six months, give us a try. Can you even

believe you are asking people please try? The la times? I mean, I mean yeah, I mean I think people that the people, yeah, the people we want to read the paper, you know what I mean? Like, are in additional people who are used to holding in their hands. I can obviously we want to deliver a good product for them. But at the same time you want to deliver, you want to introduce the product to people who maybe have never subscribed to a newspaper, you know what I mean.

And I think that is I would encourage people to do that as a great way to get like sort of civically engaged. You learn a lot about what's happening in your city. In addition or news coverage, I mean, our food coverage is top notch. I'd like to think, you know, I mean, I bust my hump on the Lakers, like I know how hard I'm working, you know what I mean, And I think we offer a lot of different stuff. But yeah, it's it's a tough time.

I mean, it's a really hard business. We saw what happened at Sports Illustrated, you know, we've seen what's happening you know. I believe Today Time Magazine as well. These are like institutional publications. I'm hopeful there will

be some sort of swing back. But like like you know, in terms of the cycle, like right now, this this is a tough day because of the labor this day, because I know it's a tough day for you and a lot of your colleagues, but because the times have changed, because we have generations now that don't grow up with like you mentioned the breakfast table,

reading, the reading the newspaper. How can can can things get back to to a way that yeah that is I think so it was no, maybe not the way it was running, but I mean I think like the way that I always remind myself when I think about this stuff, and this is like a big picture, like journalism conversation, but I think it applies

to a lot of things. Is like, so when I went to college in nineteen ninety nine, Okay, and that's an important year because I went to college with my first ever laptop, the first time in my life I ever had high speed internet, and the first time I ever had access to Napster. Right, I downloaded everything, Okay, Like every piece of music I get my hands on, I downloaded. Didn't think it was stealing. Thought I was just building a CD collection of like like a library level of

CD you know. I mean, like there was a guy my for member who would buy like a thousand blank CDs and like a week later would have them filled with every album that ever existed, whether he's gonna listen to it or not. Right, Like, it took me a little time to like get used to iTunes, you know when Snapster went away, Like it took me I had to recalibrate sort of my consumer habits to get used to paying

for music again. And you know, now I subscribe to a streaming service and I pay for music that way, and I do pay for music. Is it exactly the same? It is not exactly the same. And I know artists would tell you it's I'm not. I'm not at Tower Records the way I used to be when I was sixteen or Best Buy or whatever or even twenty one. But like you know, I'm still consuming the product that's

an important part of my life. And and that's my hope for journalism and for news sites and newspapers is that we figure out whatever our iTunes or slash Spotify type version of delivering what I think is really really important to people, whether they realize it or not, you know, moving forwards, that's my

hope. All right, let's get to the Lakers and Clippers. Lebron not playing today, kind of a bummer in a game like that, that is, yeah, it's it's you know, I mean, look, we'll we'll, we'll see how serious it is. He deals with nagging type injuries all the time. Did not look injured, particularly against Portland. But you know, we'll see. I mean, they do have a very important stretch coming up in addition to this being a very important game. But you know,

they play Chicago on Thursday before starting the Grammy trip. You know, maybe this is just a get right day. I don't know, and you hate to see it come against the Clippers, certainly, right, especially considering the Lakers have won the last two against them, and you want to see all these stars on the court together. It's it's a really fun thing. But yeah, no, it's disappointing. It is. I hope you get more information later today. We'll talk to Garbyham pre game. I will say that

without Lebron James, the Lakers have experienced playing and winning big games. They did a lot last year, you know, and they do it with ball movement, they do it with team basketball and things like that. They're going to have to find that against. To me, what I think is the scariest team in the Western Conference if I was them in Denver, if I was like an opposing executive trying to build a championship team, these would be the two teams that would freight me most. Yeah, yeah, clips no

doubt. And it feels, I don't know, it just feels at some point, at some point, the the Clippers are going to get over that mountain and they're going to get there. Yeah, you know, I don't know. The Lions are in the NFC Championship game. The stuff hap wrecked, like the stuff, you know what I mean, like I am a Chicago White Tax fan two thousand and five, it occurred. No matter what anybody will tell you, it did happen. They won the World Series,

like you know, like hell freezes over. And I'm not saying that's what's going to take for the Clippers making I mean, I think, you know, you look at and I had this conversation with someone on the eve of or the daily intoit Dome kind of, they did their big press conference aroound the Austter game, and for me, like, really what that was and a lot of things right, It was a culmination of a decade plus of competitive basketball, you know, a team that had been put a team that

had been put together and won and kept winning and kept interest in them through different iterations of the team that became a free agency destination for some of the top stars in the league. And like it was such an organizational victory as a victory for obviously what I think is the single biggest advantage in pro sports, which is ownership. You know, it is the biggest competitive advantage you

can have is to have a good owner, and the Clippers haven't. I have a good owner who cares about the product, who cares about his fans and once you know, and and went out of pocket to build the stadium that's going to be their own, And it just felt like a really like a culmination of that stuff. So like no, like I think, like you know, the hump that is there is sort of like it's at this point, it's not Clipper curse at this point. It's like it's just really

really hard to win, guys. A lot has to go right. The league is really good. I mean, look at the individual performances in the league last night, you know, with Joel mb Cronin Thomps, Kevin Durant did I mean, like, you know, the offensive numbers. It is so hard to guard teams. It is so hard to slow them down with the amount of threes that are being taken, with the way teams are able to get to the line. The Clippers have the ability to do all of

that. They can guard, they can shoot, they can score. I mean, they It really does feel like it's set up for them if they're able to be healthy and continue to play the way they've been playing. Hey, Dan, you were up there. We played the audio a couple of minutes ago, Austin Reeves talking about D'angela Russell Romore the other night. What

do you know about that? I mean, I think it's just a lot of baseless speculation that comes around with trade season and like sort of like internet detective work, you know, you know what I mean that I think,

you know, I heard d' angelo Russell basically have the same answer. There was a clip circulating at him talking to Mike Trudell and talking about, you know, growing up as a kid and what he dreamed of and how people thought it seemed like a goodbye and like, uh, he gave the same answer when I asked him what was going through his mind on those plays with Lebron. That was the direct question I asked him, and he said that

he is not. I mean that is sort of what he always sort of like he's not the most emotive person of all time, you know, And as far as Hotchamura goes, I mean, I didn't notice anything. He's gonna have a big role tonight. I thought he played pretty well against Portland. And like these guys are in trade talks, it'd be impossible to have any real sort of like sort of wing for like substantial trade talks about including one if not both just based on their contracts, like they're gonna be in

it, and I think they understand that they're pros. Uh. You know, d Angel has been through it a ton, you know. I know for Rui, it's a little bit harder, like he's really found, you know, a place that he really enjoys, loves Los Angeles, tons of Japanese culture here, it's fun, seem really likes and they all really like

him. I think it's just kind of you know, that's what when you have expectations and you're five hundred, like these are the times, you know, like this is when it gets uncomfortable and it's on the players to sort of prove that you know, this team it's weird, like either one deserves to stay together or deserves a shot to be upgraded through trade, even for a short term, you know, because you know there are options, guys,

there are options that include them not doing anything of stance right right, But that's my point. Can you stop for a second ready, I said substance instead of substance, by the way, and I just want to call I'm not fancy. I'm not like somebody who eats like mister pitt a stickers bar with my fork and knife. But I do like to say now from now, I'm I'm a man of substance, like that rolls off, rolls

off the tongue. Well yeah, but so that's my point. I mean, I could certainly see them not doing anything, because it doesn't feel that I could be completely wrong that a deal out there, at least the ones that we're hearing about, is really gonna substantially move the needle for the Lakers to just all of a sudden, you know, turn into a different team.

It would have to have some sort of long term equity, right, Like so like John Ty Murray has multiple years up on his contract, his age as such where he sort of fits, you know, where he sort of fits like the timeline for Anthony Davis and Austin Reeves. He's kind of a natural Austin Reeves backcourt type partner. He's been a pretty good defensive player in the past, although people will tell you when they watch him now he's

not quite defending at the same level. But hard to know. That's one of those things that tends to change when the stakes are elevated a little bit, you know, like, but that may cost you all. I mean that will cost you a lot. I mean, we saw Terrose here today get treated for a first round pick. It will cost more than that to

get to Jehan taimurriy. You know, I think Bruce Brown is probably the other name that I hear the most right now, and that's a guy who has you know, multiple as you know this year, next year on a contract. He'd be a big expiring contract next year. But like he is a useful player on every contender, right, Like there's long term utility for the player of that style. So I think like those types of things like

if it doesn't help you today, it'll help you tomorrow. Where it gets weirder is like if you're trading for someone to say like and like does not even talk about the off court stuff, but like someone like Miles Bridges right who, like you would the only way you could resign him is with your mid level exception. If he gets more than that, like you're cooked, you don't have a shot. You know. That feels more like a rental. Are you in the position to trade for a rental for you know,

three months? Like I don't think that. I don't think they would put significant assets behind that, as they kind of you know, clown around down near tenth. Hey, Dan, before we let you go. Milwaukee fired its coach today, Doc rivers Uh reportedly near the top of the list. What do you think happens there? I mean, I'm not it's one of those like I think I was surprised but not shocked, or maybe I was

shocked but not surprised. You know, when I was doing some reporting on Darvin Ham earlier this year and and talking to some people literally this you know, this calendar year, talking to people about Darwin's shot up status and different things like that, talking to coaching agents and people, you know, Adrian Griffin's name, kim abal lot as like a you know, a place where maybe it's not going quite as well as people think, you know, or

that the record would suggest. You know, that's a really hard position, you know, like first time head coaches. I think, you know, it's it's tough that the list of guys who failed is certainly longer than the list of guys who've succeeded, especially with a team like the Bucks, right, a team that is like there is no patience there. They should like there's not a second to waste. Despite the three games I was gonna say and with twenty more wins and losses. But look, you never I don't

I don't want to say. I don't know. I'm not there every day. I don't know. I don't applaud the decision necessarily, I think though, it takes a certain level of decisiveness to be like, we're putting our foot in the ground, this wasn't right. We're gonna instead of waiting to fix it, if you know what is wrong, ripping the band aid off and addressing it. And by the way, like he'll get a hello of

this stuff. And Adrian Griffin, I mean, like like you say, for like you you know, in one way, you only coach have a season. That means he's got three and a half years of a contract waiting for him. In the back end, he's about to be an excellent golfer or something like that. But yeah, it is, you know that part of it is, you know, rarely do you see a team make such a decisive decision that that singing reminds me of most in this coach had a

year and a half. Was David Blatt in Cleveland? Yeah, yeah, that was Lebron and that was TYLERU. Yeah right, Dan, thanks for coming on. We appreciate it. Thank you, guys. I appreciate you. Man. Thanks for letting me pitch the La timesiple again a buck for six months. I think I think you'll find it's worth it. Yeah, actually it is worth it. I read it every day online. All Right, Dan, thank you, Thanks Van. All right, goes our buddy Dan Wyki. This. Now think about this for a second. When is

it appropriate to tip? And how much should you tip? I mean back in the day, Rodney, and correct me if I'm wrong. Uh, you go out to a restaurant, you'd have a good server and you take care of them, and you tip twenty percent minimum? Fair to say? Or no, what's back in the day, because back in the day it was fifteen percent. Was was typical. It was last ten years twenty percent.

No, yeah, that'd be in about the cutoff. I'd say ten years it went to twenty percent as the standard, right and all the time growing up. I do remember even college it was fifteen percent, fifteen percent, fifteen percent, but I think you know, yeah, I would say last ten years. Yeah, it's kind of it's got up to twenty percent. It's being kind of the storm. The stand okay, And you would always tip somebody for good service, right, and normally you would tip in

a restaurant? Is that fair to say? Fair to say? All right? Now, if you go to a concession stand, Staples or I'm sorry the crypt you buy a drink, they flipped that screen around. What are you tipping? You want to leave a tip? When do you chip? When don't you tip? I'll give you an example of somebody that didn't want to tip, and then we'll open up for calls, and that's coming up

next. And then if you choose not to do you feel badly if you go to Starbucks or Coffee Bean and they tell you go ahead tip, I leave your tip right there. Yeah, I'll tell you the problem with all that and where it's gotten. I've had issues. All right, hold on, we'll do that when we come back. Do it when we come back. That's right, let's get back to it, Cruise. I'll do what you say and get right back to it. Ridney beat Fred Rogan Sunny Tuesday. Yes, it is all right. Let me tell you the story,

Rodney. I'll tell you the story. Okay, So bride to be posted on TikTok that she felt guilted into tipping, the person who helped her buy her wedding dress guilted into it. It's seemingly happening more and more where establishments ask you if you would like to add gratuity to your purchase, and most people are reluctant to saying no. So the question becomes, when did gratuity go beyond restaurant servers, delivery folks, bell hoops and such. What is

your tipping story? Well, it's not really a story as it's just a you know, a changing or the times or the establishments that we're dealing with nowadays, where there's some gray area when it comes to tipping what I don't like it and it bothers me. And this happens I think more often at at hotels and probably some restaurant, but more often at hotels when you're owning

a room service and things like that. Where the confusion comes in where the gratuity is included in the bill right right, and oftentimes because it's hit or miss. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. It isn't like a standard where all establishments will include the gratuity in the bill. Some do and some

don't. There's two problems with that I have is that first off, if the server, the person doesn't acknowledge that the gratuities included, right, I always appreciate and that person always gets more from me if if they if they let me know. Hey, just by the way that the you know the gratuities in the bill, so you know you just signed, just sign for your room service to sign you don't have to tip or anything like that because

it's included in the bill. Even though they leave you a line for gratuity. Say, if it's concluded in the bill, then why are you putting a line that I can add, you know, money to the tip. Secondly, there were times where you had great service at a restaurant and the recruit you know you was okay, I want to I want to give you a little something. I want to put some Oh no, the gratuities in the bill, don't worry about it, just sign well, service was great.

I want to give it a bit more. Why are you determined how much I caned? There's no standard. Yeah, we say, you know the rule or kind of guideline is fifteen or twenty percent. Yeah, but if you gave me great service, I want to give you one hundred bucks, I want to give you forty percent. I want to give you more, and and now I something else is different I got to do because it's

already included in the bill. So my calculations are all off. Let me determine what or if I want to give you less or if I don't believe the service was great. So I'm gonna tip you, but I'm not gonna give you that twenty or twenty five percent because the service wasn't so good. I'll give you ten percent instead. Oh no, but you can't because the gratuity was already included in the bill. You know, First off, let me know that it is. Secondly, let me determine what I want to

tip. So those are my my my two main main issues with it. And if you don't, you do it sideways. I was at the airport, as you mentioned, I you know, talked about I traveled and this happens to me a lot nowadays. When you go and there's there's you know, there's the out made its systems where you can you know, you just use your phone to pay and do all that kind of stuff. I was at arrest and when you know those convenience stores that they have along the way

at the airports. Right right there are people working behind the counter and really all they're you know, not doing a whole lot other than standing there taking your payment or showing you where to you know, use your phone or your

credit card to go in. I got like a water and some chips, and I go to pay for it up at the front and the lady said, holds out the machine that takes the you know, the phone and do it electronically, and in there it has tip ten percent, fifteen percent, twenty five percent in there, and I'm like, tip, they didn't do anything. They they are taking my money, but they didn't go get the items for me. They didn't serve me, they didn't do anything. Why

is there a tip line item in the bill? And if you don't do anything, you know, they look at your side number one, number two, They go, Okay, what do I tip for? Someone just took my money for getting a coke that I went and got it out of the fridge myself. Am I supposed to tip those people? It's just gotten so gray and confusing and really out of hand when it comes to certain establishments and individuals. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you in all of that,

and that's what I started thinking about. Wait a minute, if you go to the crypt and watch a game, you buy a beer, you buy a drink, whatever you buy, it doesn't matter. All right, Yeah, can I get a you know, a beer, They fill it up, they put it in front of you, taking them twelve seconds. All right, and here's the tip. But really, you didn't do anything. Now, if you don't tip, if you say, well, you know, I'm none, as you pointed out, they look sideways at you,

and then this you're cheap. Yeah, you're cheap. Well you don't get it, you're cheap, but you really didn't do anything, but you're cheap. And then when they bring it up and they'll tell you, you know, if you'd like to tip, then you feel like you're being guilted into it. Yeah, you're right. Uh, you know, feel free to tip, and you know, feel free to tip if you want. It's whatever you want at your discretion. Well you know here it is ten. Feel free, feel free. If I wanted to tip, I would

tip. Now. The other side of it, which I get. If you are working, you know, you're probably making a ton of money, right, they're probably not paying you a lot of money, and those tips would help. Yeah, a lot of people that's I mean, their main

income is they basically are working off tips. Like you said, their salary is minimum basically minimum wage, and and they're you know, whatever extra they get, that's kind of what they are counting on or living on, which I think is you know, is one of the reasons why they started adding into the bill, because there's so many people that don't tip, right,

you know, in situations that have made it bad for everybody. But still there are a situations where you know you shouldn't have to tip or feel guilted into tipping. Well. In this situation, the woman's buying a wedding dress. The person's helping her, she buys the dress, and the woman says, well, you know, would you like to tip well for what you help me find the dress? That's your job, wedding store, that's your job, right, So I look, I get it, minimum wage jobs.

It's tough, and those tips make a difference, But don't you think you should be doing something where you should be tipped the instead of standing there. It's like if you order to take out food and you go to the counter and they give you the bill, there's a tip line on there. What did you do? Turned around and grabbed the bag and put it in front of me. Do you tip or don't you tip? Yeah? In

that case, they would argue, well, it goes to everybody. So the chef who made the food, we're going to I'm assuming that people are going to say this and call it that we share the tips with everyone. So it's not just me that you're tipping. You're tipping the chef, you're tipping the bus boys, you're tipping everyone that works here. Yeah, but you're charging me more now? True? True? Now I'm paying more because that's not what I came in here for. It's service charge for what is

that service charge? Some places it is the tip. In some places it's just the service charge that you No one can really tell you what it is, right, it's the service charge that we take and put together because we don't make enough money because the places don't pay us. So you get the service charge on top of the charge, and you tip, and you look at the bill and you went, my god, this is fifty seventy dollars more than I thought I was going to spend tonight, right, or exactly

what I order it? Anyway, how do you feel about it? Eight sixty six nine eighty seven two five seventy A lot of ways to look at it. If you are a server or you work in a situation where you're not paid a lot of money, maybe that tip makes a difference. But should you ask people for it? Should you try to guilt them into it? And then on the other side, if you feel like, all right, I'm not sure what to do. Do you feel guilted or do you feel bad? I mean, what really? How does it work? Eight

six six nine eighty seven two five seventy. Right, let's hear what people have to say about this. I want to hear what people have to say. And another one's fast food? You want to do the fast food window? Are you supposed to tip there? I mean, so many of our listeners are drivers and delivery people. Should we be tipping them? And actually around the holidays? Do yeah? We think? Should you tip them every time they come to the door? Do they expect it? What are the

rules? What should you do? Because you if you don't know the rules, then you know they look at you crazy or they may do you know a lot of people are vindictive and do some damage to their next delivery for you that you're like, I didn't even know I was supposed to tip. And the guy's angry with me because I didn't tip him, all right, ASIX six ninety seven seventy enlighten us next? All right, let's keep this moving, Rodney Pete Fred Rogan. It is Tuesday, and it's already towards

the end of January for ED twenty twenty four waits for no one. It is just moving along, really is foles? Go? All right, let's try to figure out this carnundrum. What is it you do? Because everybody has faced it A six six nine eighty seven two five seventy. We'll start with the Mike in Southgate. All right, Mike U, what do you do about tipping? Well, usually do give a tip. We're a family of seven, right, I got I got five kids, me, me and wife and I we you know. My problem is with pizza. What

is the service fee all about? I mean, I'm already paying for the pizza, So what are you charging me for? For what service? I mean, like, if you're making me the pizza that I'm paying for, is that what you're charging me? I don't understand what the service fee is all about. I mean, we usually do give a tip, but but that always gets me, like what is the service And we're asked for what

you don't give you. They don't give you an answer that it's like the run around and try to get an answer what the service fee is all about? And it's like, you know, I'm paying for a pizza, but you're charging me to I mean, you're already charging me to make the pizza. What is the service fee all about? Like, I don't I never got that. I know one of you guys just brought it up right now. I was. I was glad to hear it. I was like, yeah, the service what is the service fee all about? Great question?

It might with you. I'm with you because the service fees sometimes I've gotten the answer, well, yeah, that's that's the gratuity. That's part of the gratuity. So you don't have to when you break them all down, and they, oh, yeah, that's just that's for the gratuity, so so and I go, oh, so it's already included. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's included with the service charge. And then some you know,

like he said, make some mumbo jumbo statement. Oh, the service fee is for the you know, the taxation that we get when we order goods and services and to prepare the meals, and we have to pay. But let me give you some bs answer, but you never can really get a full straight answer what that actually is. I remember filling it on KFI. I think we had this story and I cannot remember the name of the restaurant.

And if you do, let us know. But they basically said, effective immediately, we are adding a service fee to the amount of money you're paying for the food. We're doing it. And then you tip on top of that. If you go to pizza hunting and pizza's ten bucks and you realize you just paid twelve to fifty, why did I pay twelve fifty? It says ten bucks? Well, the service fee. It's the service fee. But for what then why don't you charge me twelve fifty if that's what

it costs. See, you're not being upfront about stuff. That's the problem. That's it. You're not being upfront. Shoot me straight and then I can handle it and I can make my decision. But if you're trying to do me, hit me with all these hitting charges and all that. Then I get suspicious and now I don't trust you. All right, Ruben and Brea, thanks for holding go ahead, Hey guys on Fred and Rodney. So, first of all, I'm a door dasher, so I and this

is my only job, and it's because I love doing this. I love driving and I love doing what I do. Now, well, I thinking about about the tips is yeah, I do rely on the tips. And students don't tip because they're students. They don't make that much money, or they don't have a lot of money. People don't have houses or that they do have, they do tip. But the way I see it is it

comes down to your service. Why say that you're doing like me, I pick up food or I p h, I go and do the shopping delivery, or like right now, I'm gonna go pick up alcohol and I'm gonna take it on myself. So I'm driving ten miles, I'm driving for thirty minutes, stuck in the fifty seven or on the sixty three way you have. That's what I think. Yet consider is the white the things that we do. This guy went all the way out here brum my alcohol from my

food whatever. Yeah, he does deserve tip because I didn't have to do it. You know, I'm not going across the street to deliver food. I'm going far away. But I understand when people don't tip, because I get a lot of those I get when I drive five ten miles and there's no tip. I don't give them because I'll have pick go ahead. No, no, I'm with you, and we always tip for deliveries and stuff like that. Here's the thing. You're doing something. You're doing something.

Yes, you should be tipped, without question. You are providing that service. You are doing something. The charge is what it costs from the restaurant and the app. But I think you should be tipped in that situation,

don't you, Rodney, absolutely undred percent, a hundred percent. Because you are whatever you're getting, whether it's from a restaurant or you're doing some shopping for someone, you actually physically have to go do something for that person and drive, like you said, drive and then go deliver it to the doorstep. Now, if you're a guy that just throws the food over the fence and takes off, then I don't know. Way, Yeah, it's different.

But but if you're delivering a tip doorstep and you're taking the pictures and all that. Yes, you deserve a tip for sure, REBN. We appreciate the call. Thanks for listening, man, Mark and MONROEVI you go ahead. Mark, Hey, guys, how you doing good? We're good, excellent. I'm a furniture over for thirty five years and you gotta tip. That's just you have to man. And as far as me tipping, I was telling Kevin, you gotta keep the tip gods happy. I think

people that rely on tips are more. They know what it's all about. They Hey, I gotta tip this guy, or I got to tip. Well, you know, I just went out and moved somebody. I got one hundred dollars tip. I go out to dinner that night, somebody gives me good service. I'm tipping thirty forty percent. Man, you got to keep the tip gods happy. See, I do agree with you, Mark.

Yeah. And delivery people, I think you should tip them. I think the question here becomes if you go up to a concession stand and somebody hand you something and then they say, well, how much would you like to tip? If you go to Starbucks and there's somebody working behind the register, well, how much would you like to tip? Well, all you did is ran my card the other employees, and there's also a tip jar for the barista. So I think that's the question here. Undeniably, Yes,

Mark, you should be tipped one hundred percent. Guillermo has called in Guerremo in La and he says he can explain the service fee. So Guierremo, the floor is yours, explain it to us. Hey, okay, anyway, the nervous charge is working product, that's former product that is over right for my produce, Gamo. It's hard for us to hear you. Is your window down or what's going on? Yeah, that's driving. Do you have your window down? Were product that's over tight from them on the

menum like the protest. Sometimes you get buck tomato twenty dollars and right now they're sixty dollars. How are they going to raise the price from the food. So they had the service charge? All right, Garimon, thanks appreciate it. Tough to hear him, Rodney, Yeah, tough, tough as he was driving. I still don't understand the full extent of the service charge because I've gotten I've gotten both answers of Yeah, it's for the overall maintenance

of whatever and then I've gotten it. Oh, no service charge. That's the that's that's part of that's the greutuity. So don't worry about don't worry about leaving a tip because it's in the service charge. I've gotten a straight answer. Let's go to Compton Maurice. Go ahead. Hey, how's it going, guys? Good? Good? Uh So I want to make sure it goes. Let me try to pick up her Ghamo left off on the service charge, so I work. You do Uber Eats and door Dash.

Part of the service charge is they have they provide insurance for your car. They have to cover that because they are your employer. That's part of the service charge. They cover the insurance as well. Okay for your car and you you have your own insurance, and then they have insurance that covers for themselves because they are the company. The next thing is nobody should be tipped. That's just standing behind the counter. You're just standing there taking in order.

That's not too worthy. Somebody that's bringing you food or feeling your drinks. Somebody that's dropping something off out of your house. Things like that. People that do Instanctcart, they do door dash, Uber Eats Lift, all

that stuff. They shouldn't tips. Absolutely, But if you're just standing there punting in order and taking my card and not going and just handing your food out out of the window, No, anytime you step out from behind that counter, you're cleaning tables and you're delivering food to me or making sure my drinks to ReFood, absolutely should be tipps. All right, appreciate it more, Reese. Let's wrap it up, Nate and Claremont, Nate, appreciate you holding go ahead, Hey, guys, great to talk to you.

Yeah, Reuben and Brea, Mark and Monroelya absolutely should tip those guys. But you know, I think, trying to to some extent that companies are the are the problem. Like I'm also thinking about this whole round up thing

that they do, and it's kind of like the same same feeling. It's like, hey, would you like around up for YadA, YadA YadA, And I'm like, it's thinking in my head, you know, these companies are getting all this credit for giving all this money to whatever cause, and you don't even totally maybe not understand the cause, but you end up going to the counter and you get that sideways. Look for the whole first thing, no, I don't you know, I'm not going to round up today.

Sorry. We get plenty of money for stuff we believe in already, you know, And it's just kind of funny. The culture is just kind of changing. Yeah, yeah, thanks for the call. Yeah, no, absolutely, it's changing and people want a lot of things for nothing, and it's it's gotten. It really has gotten out of hand. And the fear of Fred is if you don't tip or you know, you can possibly get called out for it for not tipping, and then if you hold tip

a lot of times and they remember you. You're always concerned about something maybe in your food kind of happened to your service, to your food or your drinking. If you don't take care of the person serving you, bright next hour, they'll be along. We'll have some spirituality and his musings. Dodgers are going to get a new left handed pitcher. We got to talk about that. And let's run down what's happening on this Friday in Coachella

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