Ronnie Radke

Today on the Rock Feed Podcast, we are joined by a very special guest, someone who rarely does interviews, and we are fortunate to be talking to him on a very special day, a day where they just dropped a bat-hit crazy new music video featuring the one the only tech nine, and Alex Terrible as a very imposing devil in the video. The band has a massive tour on the way, that tour is going to feature the likes of dance Gavin Dance, Blackville Brides, my boy, Jarice Johnson, who I am very happy to be

on this tour, and Nathan James, this is the popular month. What's that? And tech nine, bro, tech nice, come on. And tech nine's on the tour. Sorry, I f***ed that up. That is insane. And so we are very thankful to have Ronnie Radke of Falling in Reverse here, a rare conversation, bro. Thank you so much for doing this here. Thank you. I don't do interviews a lot because I just don't feel the

need to, but I like you. I like what you're doing for rock culture as opposed to there's a lot of people that just farm negativity to get views, you know, as you can see on YouTube and everything, you're literally the anomaly, you don't do that, and you just you're unbiased and you're just honest about it. And I think that's why I can see a lot of legend. There's a lot of legends that respect you and there's a reason why. So I just want to get that out there. So dude, that can

mean the world to me. Don't make me get all teared up here. That's the one. Seriously. So first of all, let's just go right into this new era of Falling in Reverse. You have you have been laying low for a while clearly working very hard on things. Describe to the fans what's coming next in this new era from Falling in Reverse? Well, I'll let it speak for itself, man. It's just so crazy. I'm very proud of it. And I just know like the fans are going to appreciate it. Long time fans will appreciate

what's next after, you know, what we just released and stuff. You just never know where you're going to get kind of thing. You know, and I think I think like a long time ago when I was doing this, I've been doing this for a long time. The rap, the rock, the metal and all the things, whatever, the pop, pop music, you know, I've been doing it for a long time. And I feel like it wasn't as

appreciated. Maybe because I wasn't well crafted at it yet. Right. So it, you know, I used to get laughed at for doing all these different things, you know, and like everybody was like kind of stuck on whatever band was out. They were kind of the continuity in their albums, kind of both sounded the same, you know, throughout their career and, you know, knowing whatever deviate. And, and now I feel like I'm reaping the benefits of what I had to put in for a long time ago by getting made fun for

it. You know, you know, another band, a good example of a band that did similar stuff is bringing the horizon. They were like a metal band. And then all day one day decided he wanted to screen. You're, I mean, sing, you know, and, and I started getting better, better, better. And then, you know, a lot of bands kind of pigeon hold themselves, I think, in my opinion, by making the same album over and over because they think that's what the fans want. They don't want to get made fun

over. They don't want to get people tock them, you know, so for me, I'm like, no, dude, I enjoy all kinds of music. I like rap, the country. I like it all. So, you know, a big part of your career and your success has been your willingness, I think, to push yourself and to put yourself out there more than other people. And it seems like, conventionally, from a publicity standpoint, you will do and say things that everyone goes against. And now you're the biggest you've ever been

defying all of the conventional wisdom by the experts. And you just do whatever the you want. And your massive. Can you speak to kind of your approach, your career over the years, and how much you've kind of pushed through that discomfort, maybe, of judgment from the public and whatnot? I mean, people always like, oh, he don't give a crap. He don't give a, I can coast on here, right? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I believe it's a bunch of rap farms, but it's fine.

He don't, okay, he don't give a crap about what he, what anyone thinks, man, that's why I like them. Like, that's a lie, bro. I care. That's the reason why I've become so more successful. I care so much, dude. But I hate when people pretend like I don't care what, what this person do, and of course you're going to care, dude, it's just the way that I, I, you know,

react to it is what a lot of people don't like. And it's, and a lot of people do like it. And you know, the people that do like the way what I do online sometimes, or I say stuff that are pretty crazy, you know, sometimes the people that do like it are, I'm not going to name me names,

but it's people that I've looked up to for years. And it's, it's people that will do me and go, keep going, you know, and I will, I'm not going to put them out there like that, but I just realized that you got to just be honest with yourself, man, and you got to be honest with people, people confuse like the world is fucked up right now, dude. Like with, without the internet, it's just people take everything at face value. You know, you know, the difference. This is for example,

my Twitter compared to my TikTok. When somebody sees my face when I'm saying something, they like, for some reason, they like me more on Twitter. When I say the exact same thing. Yes. I go crazy over that. They don't, you know what I mean? It's like, yeah, you have to see my face when I'm saying these things. And I think the different, that's, that's the big difference in TikTok and

just Twitter. You Twitter is such a cesspool of negativity and people's. If you're a band out there and you're young right now and you're coming up and you're getting attacked online, even if you're not a band, I just want to let you know this right now. Every single celebrity, musician, YouTube creator, rock feed, all of them, everybody, anybody that's any type of, like successful thing on the internet gets completely obliterated on a daily basis.

It is very true. The only person that's not getting this and she even gets this actually is Taylor Swift. She even gets roasted. It's like, you don't take everything so a curse hall and just kind of go with the flow. That's my, that's my, that's how I roll with things. So it took me a long time actually to learn that to kind of get through a lot of that shit talking on the internet and get

to a point where you don't care. And you know, from your standpoint, seeing how you've handled many different situations with a no-fix given attitude that I think is in a lot of ways absent from rock right now. Yeah. I think that a lot of people just play it to safe and then maybe they're too risk averse and you're willing to take risk whether it's stylistically, whether it's evolving your sound or in the public space where you've duked it out with so many people. Are there any, yes I have.

I don't know. Are there any of those situations where you get into it and you go, man, this wasn't worth the headache, you know? No, actually, I'm just, I'll circle back to that if I think a, you know, because I think the one thing about me is what people appreciate about me on a personal level like, like behind the scenes is my honesty and thoughts I can go, I can go too far with it

and I can hurt people's feelings and it's wrong, you know, and it can be hurtful. But on wine, you can't translate my personality and people will, yeah, like you'll have people that weren't even born when I threw a my stand into crowd. That's insane. You're not even born, bro. You're even born, or if you were you were three years old and then the person, the person that I hit with a my stand is not even mad. So why are you mad? Are you mad? Think about stupid. Like what?

You're mad, but the person that I hit with a my stand is not mad. Think about that. That is totally insane. And I got to tell you that TikTok that you did where you were like, and I think this is kind of emblematic of your personality where they're like, hey, are you that guy or proving Mike's stand in the crowd? You're like, yeah, I am. Yeah. You take the ownership of everything good or bad that happens in your life. I think that makes

you so entertaining. Yeah. And you know, thank you, by the way. I appreciate you. I love that. Thank you. I did throw a my stand and it was, it was, I, people don't realize when I threw the my stands is, I did it before that and I did it a lot. And I did, I did, I threw my stands in the crowd in a lot of shows. And I did it not because I wanted to hurt. I'm not trying to hurt my fans because I want usually they put their hands up and they catch it. Most of the time they catch

it, but right. Well, crowd will catch it and they'll pull it down wherever. And one time my manager goes, Hey, man, this is not a good idea. I was like, what do you mean he goes, don't do that. He's like, someone's going to, I know you do. I know you've done it a lot, but it's, you're, your band's getting too big. And this is not a punk rock show anymore. The crowds are getting bigger. The stages are getting taller. It's going to come down. It's going to hurt somebody. It might

hurt somebody. So don't do that. You don't want to hit suit or blow a lot. And I was like, that man. I'm not, you know, I'm like, I'm not going to change you. I am, dude. This is punk, punk. You know what I mean? I think it, I think it being stupid, right? So I went and did the thing I normally do and I threw it the wrong way though. I was throwing it this way. And usually I take it and I hold it like this and I throw it out like that. I was so hyped up. I was so

happy in life stoked and just like aggressive and, and having fun. Right. I threw in it. Fuck somebody up. They took two people out. And the girl defended me. She went, she wouldn't defend me and people, people don't see those things though. Right. You know, there's so much with you where there's, there's retellings of situations that are just not accurate. You know, you write here that you shot a guy, you know, stuff like that. That's not the truth of what happened.

No. And you know, I think this is, yeah, not something that you get a lot of credit for. When you talk about people who go to prison, and so many times they get caught in that cycle where they get out and their life is, you know, they go back, basically in and out of jail. Yeah, they go back. You haven't gone back. You've made something of yourself. You had to start a new band. Your former band moved on. What did that feel like when you were going through that?

I was on for the band that moved on and your dream had kind of fallen away during that time. It was, it really, it tested my character and my mental strength because, because not only was I in prison, that, that was on the outside, you know, and it'd be like, you know, you're losing a family member while you're in prison. That must be so hard. Man, thank God I never lost a family member or a friend while I'm in prison because there's nothing you can do. You can't. You got to

learn how to control yourself, right? So, yeah, man, I'm friends with all those people still now, you know, and I feel like that shows that shoots as if someone's character too. Like, you just don't look at the trail of friends that they had and how long they've had them. I've had friends

for 30 years, man, I have the same friends. I'm a little person, you know what I mean? There's only a few people I really don't like, but, you know, I'm still friends with them and they moved all without me and they thought that that was going to help them, you know, and I thought my, I was doomed, but in my head, I just literally was like, I will never, this, I will never stop. There's no way. I'm not stopping. When I got out, I already wrote the, you know, the drug

of me is you album in prison, like, like, I'm out of that just like that on my legs. Couldn't sing, couldn't sing loud because I had to whisper it. You know what I mean? Couldn't sing loud because there was other people there and it was kind of embarrassing, you know, there's like a bunch of gangsters and they're all like, it's all good, you know, like, putting singing like an

emo or something that's kind of weird. So I had to kind of keep it quiet. But, um, yeah, I have had the good fortune of meeting a lot of people who have maybe jelly roll in some ways. There's a similar story to you where he got love. I love that guy. I love him. I know, I've known him since 2012, by the way, that's a fun, that's a fun story. And don't you, you saw him grinding it out, like, just a guy free styling and stuff like that to see where he's at now. It's truly,

and you as well. It's like, your life in some ways is like, it could have been like a movie. Yeah. I know, I got stories about jelly roll that are awesome, but I'm gonna let him tell those stories because they're crazy. But I met jelly roll into that, or jelly roll met me when I was walking back from the Nashville work tour stage. And he stopped me and he's just standing there by himself. And he's taller than me. I'm about six foot. I don't know how tall he is. He's

taller and bigger than me. And he's scary. He's intimidated. He's got this eye, he's eyes. And that's what I liked about him because he reminded me my brother and my father, which is pretty much me, then I guess. So I saw a reflection. You can see I like tattoos. And when you go to prison, and you see someone else that's been to prison, you can immediately tell me, you know,

it's like a thing. It's unspoken. Look at him. I'm like, oh, you've been to prison. And he looks at me and he goes, Hey, Matt and the way he speaks, he could tell he's got like this anger issue or something, but he's trying to keep it like together, you know, like he's going to he'll pop off at any moment. I can love it. And he goes, he looks at me and he stops me. He goes, Hey, man, can you sign this for my dot or for my niece and nephew? They love you. And he's just looking at me. I'm like,

Oh, is he doing the is he looking at me like the print? Is he prison check in me right now? I just got out of prison. I just got out of prison. It was two thousand. Well, so it was like about seven, seven months before that or eight months. So I'm all I'm thinking about when you've been to prison for a while, all you think about is like prison politics for the first couple of years. You're out of prison for sure. So I'm like, is he check like, you know, so, um, yeah,

I was like, sure. So I signed this thing for him. And I never forgot his or a sense that. Yeah. I never forgot the feeling I had. It was like a feeling of like you remind me of my brother, which is an intimidating dude. My dad and Keele, he's got a stare that will stare through your soul for reals. And I never forgot that. And then when I linked up with him a little bit ago, like, I don't remember how long ago I told him that story and he just like, you'd loved it. You know,

I'm like, congratulations on everything. Yeah. It's crazy. It's sick to see that, man. Yeah. It's sick to see that. Nobody ever does is able to do that kind of stuff. It's very rare. So he's a true outsider. And I know you know, well. And so one of the things about you that's really interesting that I don't think a lot of people realize, you know, as I talk to a lot of people about you, of course, what's interesting is you are very polarizing publicly. So many people have

respect for you in the industry. There's a huge polar opposite. The people that work with you, legends of the game, business people, they all love you. What's the, what's the disconnect you think? Like, like, we were going back to Twitter. It's like, when you just read something, it's like, if me and you were talking on a text message, say I'm your girlfriend, you know what I mean? Your girlfriend and your texting. She's having a bad day.

You're having a good day. You see that came fuel stiff, were there text each other and once having a bad day, the other one's having a good day. And they read it and he's like, maybe later. The other guy's, maybe, I think if somebody is not feeling good about themselves and they read something, that's a little racy, that's a little on edge. You could take this the wrong way. Then they're going to take it and whatever personal demons they have, they're going to explode with it.

You know, it's like, I've been a victim of it, or a victim. I've been guilty of it too as well. I'll take something and like, because I don't feel good that day. I'll be like, you know what I mean? I'll assume that it was negative, but it's not. Sometimes it's not negative. I feel like I'm a comedian, man. He will need to just look at me as a comedian. Stop taking me so serious. I'm not a serious person, dude. I think that you're spot on that a lot of people

misunderstand your sense of humor. It's very deadpan at times. Like, to watch you on TikTok, where you're going, I'm rich. Yeah. And like in your showing off the background, it's similar to me, like, let's say a Scott Steiner promo. You know what I mean? Like, you're, it's a parody, bro. I'm not, I'm not, I couldn't imagine really being like that. Are you kidding me? What? Like, that's embarrassing. That's why, that's why I do it because it's

embarrassing. That would be insane if you were serious. And there's people, there's people that are serious that really do that, right? So, oh, there'd be like six, nine or something. I don't know, you know, like a, I don't know. Yeah. No, I agree. And I do think that a big part of your success, I think in

recent years, especially is it's not just your music, but you capture attention. So many bands, it's like, we're going to put the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 countdown on social media and hope people are stoked. You even setting up a podcast like this, which I imagine a lot of people are going to watch. You have your finger on the pulse. I read an interview in preparation for this where you said that you study hip hop after your last album, you didn't feel it worked as well. You definitely seem to

have your finger on the pulse and other genres as well. You've got tech nine on your song and your tour. How important has that been for you watching other spaces as well for your career? I think it's an intuitive thing. I think I've always had intuition. I've been told when I was, as from a younger age, people are like, you're weird, man. They're like, you're so weird. It's like, I don't know, man, there's something like you guess things too well. You're like,

I just have an intuition. I have a good discernment for humans. And that's why I could tell you a good person. I know you are. And you know what's so funny is other people have told me this after I talk about you. Other legends, we already talked about that. But yeah, I just have a good discernment of people I feel. And I can tell when certain things go in a certain way. And then I'll try to go the other way. You know what I mean? It's so important. And people give off

energies and you can tell when they suck. Yeah. Yeah. Or there's a difference between having a bad day and just not like feeling feeling something like, well, bro, I need to be, I need to not be next to this person. You know what I mean? So going back to your comment about people in the industry, saying that they, they be wherever that's close to online where it seems like everyone hates no mind. That's what I appreciate. I appreciate that because I know people that are switched.

Everybody loves my line, but nobody likes them in the industry. They hate them. And I'll name their name right now. I've, I've Austin Carlisle. Oh, shit. So you have gotten to this point where you had people, this is something I love to see earlier this year. You brought Corey Taylor out

on stage at Vegas. Corey has always been a supporter and a collaborator of you. I'm so, I was so pumped to see that given that all he's gone through and a lot of the unnecessary hate and criticism he's been through, which nobody's even talking about anymore because they're like, oh, he always great. But like, talk about getting to know Corey, like one of the legends of the

game and getting to collaborate with him. I think he's like just such a wonderful dude. And, you know, when people talk about other musicians, you're like, oh, he's such a wonderful guy. I don't argue all that. You know what I mean? Because everybody's always so cool because everybody's got to play it, play it nice. You know what I mean? The diplomatically or whatever you have, or you want to say, Corey is a real dude. He's real. He's genuine. That's all I care

about. If you're a genuine person, I'm going to go with you. I don't care. I'm going to respect you. It, you know what I mean? I don't have to like you, but I'm going to respect you. But I like Corey because I've looked up to Corey for a long time and a lot of people have his musicians, right? But where I gained a lot more respect was I was like, hey, I want to put him on a song.

He'll never do this, right? So I was like, how do I get a hold of him? So I reached out to his girlfriend, which I kind of knew, but I don't know her well, you know, but we fall each other on on Twitter. She was out of show or whatever and she does the fire stuff, which is awesome, right? So at least he had, yeah, now is why she's awesome. She is awesome. So I just deemed her. I'm like, like, this is, this is stupid, man, whatever. So would Corey do this, you know? And she goes,

yeah, what's your number? And then and I gave it and then he just tested me and goes, send me the song. I'm like, the hell? Send him the song goes, this is incredible. It's new. It's different. The lyrics are cool. This is the song, the song joins by the way. He goes, yeah, I'll do it. I was like, oh, crap. What the hell did it put his phone up? I have a video still where he did it live. He just screamed at live one take. He went like this and then he, you know,

he's put his phone down and he said the video. He's like, is this good? I'm like, yeah. And then I was like, would you be in the video? He goes, yeah. And I was like, bro, what? And he goes, I live in Vegas, bro, I'll come to California. And he drove, he drove from Vegas to California. His band at that time, his band is still bigger than mine, obviously, but at that time, his band was way, but it was like, there was a big, even bigger gap. Dude, I was just like,

not a nobody. My band was doing well doing two thousand tickets a night, but I mean, it slipped not, man. Yeah. He didn't have to do that. He drove from Vegas all the way to California. Got a parking or got a got a ticket on his way. You know, and yeah, he talked about, he told me about it. And he did it. And he did it all for free. He didn't ask for money. Nothing. I think that's one of the cool, that that shows somebody's character. You know what I mean? I have

been beyond, bro, above and beyond, like not even shown something's character. It's just, it's just crazy. And like, it's nice. It's like a saying, don't meet your heroes. But my exact experience with him is like in 2019, I hadn't had a big guest on the show. I'm talking to him in DM. I'm all set up directly through him. He comes on the podcast to change the trajectory of this channel. I'll never forget that. Really awesome, dude. Yeah. And you know, it's crazy is he does things because

if you're genuine, I can tell, look at, I look at his eyes. I can tell he only messes with genuine people. And that's so clearly your genuine person, right? And it comes down to it. It's all about if you're genuine or not. And it's like the pants on it, you're gonna write a hit piece about him or stop him and get a bit of a frame or something. You ain't nothing messed up. So yeah. Well, talking about like these legends of the game, you grew up in Vegas. Is that right? I did. Well, you shouldn't

grow up there, but I did. Bro, I just went to Vegas for the first time last week. And I was going to ask you about that. It seems like a pretty freaking crazy way to grow up as a kid. Yeah, dude. Yeah, this is what this since 24 hours a day, you know, to me, like you can do whatever you want at any time and want, get anything you want at any time you want. It's just and I was born there and I was raised

there. What's a prison there? Of course, though, it's a prison. Since I'm my whole body is blocked because of it, dude. That's crazy. So were you a good kid or a bad kid? What do you think, man? What do you think? Man, it holds you. It's a change or not. I was always, I was always getting into trouble, but I would like fist fight kids in the neighborhood like no, yeah, shot, but like ride my bike and jump jump jump, jump trash cans and crash and get hurt and learn learn the hard

way about things, you know, not like character. Yeah, it wasn't a bad kid life in the other regards, you know, we're just straight us, a sociopath dude. It was just doing bad kids stuff. You know, you know, I mean like throwing rocks and you know, and doing it being crazy, you know, stuff. I could totally see that. So like, what was your first, do you remember like the first record you ever got? First first album. First album. I think it was when I started enjoying music. For me,

it was like tragic kingdom by no doubt. It was random. Mine, my album was the Lion King soundtrack. Dude, yeah, circle of life. Yeah, and that sort of playing piano because of it. And then I got really good piano and it was just a natural thing. And then when I started like being like, Oh, I like music a lot. That was when the punk aromas from like Epid's South like punk aromas like bad really. It was like a mixture of all these punk bands,

rancid, no effects, bad religion, you know, greed. I think was on a couple of them, the punk aromas. And then I just kind of spiral it from there. And then I got into parkour and metal and all that stuff from there and Eminem and all that in hip hop 1997. Hell yeah, that's very similar for me. I was very influenced by Eminem. Talk about kind of what

his music did for you growing up. I can see a lot of, you know, I can see a lot of influence that you've taken from me with your mindset and your and your bravado that you put out there. Oh, yeah, yeah. He helped a lot, obviously. But it started with actually the chronic from Dr. Dre. I think it was 92. And then Dr. Dre worked with Eminem and I was like, who the hell is this guy that looks like me? He looks like me. Finally, finally, someone that

looks like I can even relate even harder, you know, because you can't relate. I'm in third grade, a white kid in the biggest. I'm not relating to dudes in golf, you know what I mean? Like, I love it. Yeah. So and Eminem comes on the screen. He's lying about his mom, talking about being addicted to pills, which I got addicted to pills. And I had issues, I have issues with my mom so this day. So I was like, third grade. No, no, no, no, that was

that I was like, bro, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm 40. I'm 40 years old. Third grade was the chronic. Right. That was 1993, 1982. 1997, 1998, 1999. It was around, I'm not remembering exactly. Sure, it's fine. I was a teenager. Like I was a teenager and Eminem. When Eminem first came out, I was a teenager. I was like coming into adulthood or whatever, like I'm growing pains, right? So I was like, oh, this speaks to me,

right? So yeah. And since then, I just, he's just an incredible, he's incredible. You know, a lot of people ripped off Eminem, dude. Like you see that was some of the biggest artists, Kendra Kamar and Jay Cole and all these, the Ketzy Stan, all these people talk about how influential Eminem is. So it's, you can't deny Eminem's reach, you know. So for me, I got lucky. I don't sound like him. My voice sounds different, but I just, you know, I learned a lot from him. And, you know, so I took

it to rock and I put it in rock because rock music needs a revival. It needs something, dude. You know, he needs something. Everything's so boring and watered down, you know, it's just in my

opinion. I don't want to be disrespectful. I agree strongly. I agree to an extent that not that there's not a lot of great bands out there, but what you have done and you've been very much at the front of this is you don't see a lot of very big rock stars in the game who are really like 100 percent middle fingers of attitude, you know, in an entertaining way and a fun way, not in an angry like I'm constantly pissed off way. But like we've got to make this like a spectacle and

feel larger than life and do. Yes. Yeah, dude, it's it's not real. It's like it is real, but you know what I mean? It's not like it doesn't have to be so serious. You know, I'm not, don't get me wrong. Be bringing Horizon, bad Olman's sleep token. All these three. Oh, yeah, they're super they're dull. They're good. There's a reason why they're successful. And it's okay. You guys can be serious all the time. They're serious bands. I guess you got to be serious. You can't

be coming out. You're like, dude, dude, dude, like I like you know what I mean? Trying to be funny. Like I got songs like that are funny like show he and then sure serious songs, you know, everybody, but we need more of the that kind of we need some more fun. Dude, we need fun. That's what we agreed. You know, 2000 you had Lempis, they were fun band. To me, they weren't as they, I didn't take them so seriously. I thought they were just there to have fun, right? And then

you had the serious bands like Leegan Park and they co-existed perfectly together. You know, and you need that again. You need like this Bleguin 82 would make jokes about stuff on stage all the time. You know, you don't have that anymore. You know, where's that at man? You know, Lempis, so let's let's have some fun. Dude, geez. I'm so glad you're saying that. And I hope that the next generation of artists out there that's listening to this conversation will really take

that to heart because I believe as well. That's a very big reason. People are playing it too safe. There's not a lot. Another one of the reasons I love Derrick Johnson is he puts himself out there as well. Another yeah, amazing artist. Yeah, I love that, dude. I wanted him on the tour because he's talented. People don't realize how talented he is. He does everything. And immediately when I saw him, he's like me, he does every, he goes into the studio and he does everything himself.

And I, I, I restart to him and I'm like, is this true? He goes, yeah. And he came over my house and I wanted to see it. I want to see if he was telling the truth and he is. He's telling the truth. And then he saw what I was about to. He's like, oh, no, this guy, we do everything on our own. I was like, what would happen if me and him join forces and they like songs,

the other or something? You know, because I just always appreciate people that when you listen to him, I've been doing it so long when I listen to somebody on recording, I could tell how good they are in the studio, like how good they think and track and stuff. And you could tell how his vocal deliveries and stuff like that. I'm like, okay, he does it. He knows what he's doing. So, yeah, and his producer, Soko as well. They're just very creative people and I, I'm so glad you

have him on the tour because, again, is this thing? Soko, is that the swaco that I think is being swaco? Not swaco, soko, no, totally different person. It's okay. Okay, because that guy's talented. That guy is talented too. He really is. Love, love a lot of these next generations of artists that are coming up. So one of the things that you do that you don't get credit for is, there's so much talked about we need variety of bands, we need diversity and music and things

like that. Not a lot of tour lineups that are bringing rock, metal, and hip hop together. And you're one of the only people that's actually doing that. Can you speak to what it means to have a legend like tech nine on your tour? I mean, by the way, tech nine is another dude and I'm not just saying that because blah, blah, blah, like he's come to my shows multiple times to my, obviously, my video shoot and he's the nicest guy. That's why you'll never see him in a beat with anybody.

I've never seen him in a beef. I don't know if he's beefed with anybody or whatever, but he's just so genuinely just a sweet person. Like I can't, you know, he's like always all about hugs and being genuinely sweet person, you know, so to see him to see him, he notices me and he only works with people that he knows that are, he told me this, he only works with people that he knows that are, he can tell, he's been doing it so long he can tell kind of like I said

about Jared's. It's just such an honor for him to be like, oh no, you're the real deal, you know, I'm like, thanks, man, because it's taken so long to get to that point for people to recognize that for me. And I'll walk into a studio and I'll just just, I know, stack what I'm doing now. I'm confident in that, in that regard. So it's just still good to be sitting on that mountain top

in that, in that mindset as well. So yeah, this is something I thought a lot about with you with in terms of the longevity that you've had, but even more crazy than that, I don't know of many examples of artists who, you know, we talk about things like let's say the sophomore slump, whatever, typically a band is really going to go the hardest on their first couple of albums. You today, Fathom Volume Verse founded around 2008, you are, and then of course

it's faked the fate previous to that, but you are today the biggest you've ever been. And for those who have seen this music video, skyrocketing even further. Hell yeah. How do you, what do you think it is over the last five years? I'll say, what do you think of the last five years that's really connected you at a different level than did it work in the past? I just, there is something clicked in my head when I was tracking one day. I was tracking popular

monster. I did drugs, not I didn't do drugs. I did the song drugs. Sure. I did that. And I was like, this is pretty good. And then I was like, this is awesome. I'm like so self-indulgent about how if you're a songwriter, you go this, you make a song and nobody can tell you it's bad. Right, what, right, when you get it done, you're like, this is awesome, right? Like if you really like it, right? And then you go back and listen, you go, what was I thinking? I could have done

way better than this, but you're in this. So I learned how to get away from that, that the, this self-indulgent of the song, I got into a point where I could pick completely pick a part. What's bad about each part of each song instead of just writing a song and being like, this is sick. You, whoa, there's no inconsistencies here. And that happened after I heard drugs. I'm like, core Taylor was capable of getting on this. And I, this melody is, it's okay. Like, I guess, you

know, and then, you know, in my head. And then when I did popular monster, I wrote the course about six, seven, eight, nine times. And then finally, I was like, no, this needs to go. Let's go. And then I kept doing it. And finally, it like, like, laid on onto the onto the track. It just laid on it real nice. You know, and I was like, this is great. And I didn't write any lyrics down in the chorus, at least. I wrote the verse lyrics down. But in the chorus, those lyrics are like, what

little Wayne would do? It's just from the top of my head, you know, like, la, all that was all all the top of my head. I can just break down to no way out. And I stopped and like, that's kind of cool. Let's do the next part. You know, so, yeah. So then since then I just after that, I'm like, okay, I got to keep doing this. I got to keep rewriting the chorus until I'm like, God, damn, dude. And there's a secret. And I don't want to keep rambling about it. But there's a secret. And

I'll let people know about it. You, when you're in the studio, and you think you have a dope song that day, right? You're done with it that day. Like, this is so sick. Have have your engineer or whatever, if you're the engineer or whatever, print the song, you know, the mix it a little bit, make it sound pretty good, listenable on a radio, stereo. And then go to sleep, wake up. And the first thing you do is put the song on in the morning. And if the song is questionable, it's not

done, dude. If you try the song in the morning, you're like, Oh my God. That's when you know you have it because that's what I, that was my test. I would keep doing that. I would keep doing that. And I would wake up in the morning like, this is ass. This is ass. This is ass. And then eventually, like, you know, like the songs are objectively good. People might not like my voice or like the way I write the music or the lyrics or me as a person. But objectively from an objective standpoint,

the songs are good. You know, so that's that's where I want to be. So it seems like for a lot of musicians, when it comes to writing songs, there's that inability to be honest with themselves about the song or how to know how far they have to push on a song and how much effort. And it seems like figuring that out and really being brutally honest with yourself is a part of that process. Yeah. I mean, that comes with age as well. And I'm 40 now. And I'm not as, I might act real a

fool on Twitter and stuff because it's fun. People think people are so confused. They think that they upset me by the way. I mean, to string off here, but no, do it. They don't realize that it's all fun. And you know, when I beef with people, you know, you're just helping me. You think, you think you're helping me, dude. And even if you're a no name band, you're still helping me because all

people are doing are talking crap. There's a good example of why why this works, right? And you know, people are going to watch this and completely forget that I said this and still engages me on Twitter and still hit Mac. Elon Musk put out the cyber truck before the cyber truck came out, right? Cyber truck kind of sucks now, I guess, but it kind of knows before it came out, it was exciting,

right? So Elon said he implied that when he threw the ball at the window, saying it was bulletproof and it broke, he did that on purpose because all the people that hate him. All they did is talk about it and it raised his stock. His stock shot up, brother. So, you know what I mean, it's just you got to play into it. It's like a WWE heel. I'm a heel dude. I'm the bad guy. I'm in W all brother. I'm fucking. You know, like, baby. You know what I mean? I mean, it is what it is. I don't know.

I love it. Where were we again? Sorry. No, no, I just want to, I want to season on that point because I've always kind of felt that way about you. This is actually the first time I've spoken to you kind of verbally, but like, you know, I've always felt that about you that there's, while you're a very real person, you're also kind of hamming it up to a certain extent of lying, busting balls, jerk, like, yeah. That's just how I grew up. It's just constant ball busting. Right.

And people don't realize this. Yes. And you know, the thing is, yeah, dude, trust me. I annoy myself sometimes. So if you get to know it, if you're a fan and you get kind of annoyed by me by Twitter and stuff, trust me. I'm annoying myself. They all look at me and be like, you're so, dude, chill out, bro. My side. So I annoy myself. Dude, we annoy, we, people annoy, we're annoying as humans, bro, sometimes, you know, and I'm a lead singer. I'm a lead singer, dude.

You guys want, you want, you want all your lead singers to be normal people like you. So you can spend all your money to go see someone that looks just like you and acts just like you. Not the other way around. No, you spend money to go see a movie that's larger than life, bro. You're paying money to go see somebody that might throw a mic stand in the crowd, bro.

You're not paying to go see somebody like, you know what it means to chill, you know, like, this is, we're supposed to be, these, we're supposed to entertain you. We're the monkeys, we're dancing, bro. This is what we're doing, dude. So, so enjoy it. Enjoy the show. You're on fire right now. This is for anybody watching at home right now. This is really incredibly valuable wisdom. You have to be larger than life as a frontman. Let me, let me explain something else to you.

That does not condone the actions of some things that happen. Like, there are certain things that I shouldn't have done. Like, throw the mic stand, dude. I went to jail, get over it. You weren't born yet. Yeah, you know what I mean? There's certain things in it to add to that. You know, it's so crazy, bro, about that, in which blow is my mind. These kids are so, you're so stupid. If you're watching this and you're mad, you're stupid. Come on.

Okay. And the reason why I say that, the reason why I'm saying this is because how are you gonna listen to Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, who else? Let me explain. M&M, all these rappers that talk about murdering people and getting money, having sex, and you're bumping it, and you're going to the shows, and then you have the audacity to get mad at me for going to prison, for getting into a fight five years before you were born. You either like it or get tossed.

Yes. Oh, man, I gotta tell you, that is the thing online is that there's so many, this is what I think. I think that there's a lot of fan bases out there that are entitled, or they're trying to control the artists or dictate outcomes, maybe from a business perspective. You know, we saw that with you, with your tour, the situation with Spear Box. I love those guys, I love them, I love that man, but they did ultimately decide to like pull off of the tour.

How did you feel when you found that decision out, what was your reaction at that moment? I mean, dude, they were like friends with me, you know? They were friends, not like buddy buddy, but one time at a show, they opened for us about like seven months before this happened, and all their gear went down, so I gave all my gear to them so they could perform, and they only got to perform like four songs. They're so grateful, they're Canadians, they're super nice.

They're saying that's a very nice thing. They are nice people, but I don't have any respect for them because they know me, they know what kind of person I am to a degree, they don't know me personally, right? But they know all the stuff they've seen online before, they agree to the tour, they know about light Twitter, they know about everything, their manager knows about everything, you know, and they agree to the tour, and then they backed out because a couple of fans don't mad at them.

Fans that couldn't even like, you know, probably afford to go or mad, and they backed out with no word, and I just really upsets me, I have no respect for that. They're bowing to the mob, and I think that that's messed up. And I don't like how they go and preach about like this, like the preach, bulky preachy stuff after it, dude. It's like, what are you doing? Like, I can't respect that, I'm sorry. And I hate to offend anybody else, this thinks that that's okay.

It's not, all you guys are stupid that think that they backed out because they realized I was a bad person. No, they know everything, they agreed months in advance. They backed out because they agreed, they were, they felt the heat and they didn't like how they, they're not built, they're not built for the heat. That's what it comes down to, they're not built for it, you know what I mean?

Well, and on that point, and dealing with heat and dealing with, you know, a lot of backlash, you're someone who has dealt with that probably more than anybody, almost on a constant basis. For you, you seem, at least publicly, to handle it very well. What do you think? This is what I'm always trying to get, and I mean this in a nice way, like for me, I want to be the best person I can, while also simultaneously caring as little about what people I don't know think about me as much as possible.

And I mean that in a respectful way, like it's not that I don't care what people think, but you can only care so much. How do you, how are you able to deal with this shit? Okay, when my song, I had a song called Alone, it was when I first started doing rap and rock. I used to rap way before that though. I just, by the way, I think it's funny when people say, I'm Tom McDonnell or whatever. I was like, I was doing this way before Tom McDonnell.

Yeah, I love, I think Tom is a cool guy, actually, personally. I like that guy. He's really cool. He's a good person and people loved it. Hey, but I think he personally is a good guy. Yeah, he's done very well for him. I see, yeah, and I see all of people like Tom, I mean, I've been doing this rap and rock stuff for a long time. I've had a song called Alone, it's the dumbest song, bro. It's a great song. Oh, bro, it's a great hook. That's your nice guy and it is a good hook.

But the lyrics in the verses are, ass dude, it is so bad, it's so embarrassing. And I deserve to get roasted for it. And I welcome all the roasts for roasts. Because you look back and cringe at stuff, right? But yeah, when that first came out, I didn't have that kind of, I wasn't getting attacked yet. And I put that out and I got destroyed for it. And it really broke me down and it was not as worse as going to prison. So nothing was as worse as that. So I can handle anything, bro.

You're going to talk crap to me. You're in Kansas saying, I suck at music from your apartment, right? Later. Yeah, it feels like the world's against you. Then you come up and then you realize that Tweet gets 2,000 lives in your show selling 10,000 tickets. A tweet about you that's negative gets 2,000 lives. And everybody thinks that's a lot. And then you go play a show for 10,000 people. And then you go to the next show and it's 15,000 people. Right, right.

So you got to put things in a perspective, man. And I just learned to, yeah, I don't care as much. I don't, as much as I used to. And that comes with age as well, man. Just don't care as much. Someone, you can only say the same things over and over to somebody until you're like, we get it. Yeah, it means so. I want to talk about as well on this song. You've got Alex Terrible, another person that I think. You have, and you have brought these guys out on tours. You've elevated their status.

I love that you're doing that for Alex on this new song. They are becoming a real force in music. I love the slaughter guys. I'm very happy for them. You were a big part of pushing them on that first major tour they did. What's your relationship like with Alex and working with them? People want to call them all these names too. He's another person after the fact, by the way. I didn't work with him because he was getting attacked online.

He just started getting attacked online after, and it wasn't because of me. It was because everybody thinks he's like a terrible person or whatever, or not everybody, just some people. Sure. I want to start stuff. But go fit here. His band starts blowing up. And now all of a sudden, he's an awful, terrible human, right? That seems to be the thing that happens here. I mean, in metal too, because metal, they metal, for some reason, a metal lead is just going to hold bands down.

You know, so working with him was incredible. He's the nicest guy in the world. Yes. And he really, Jim, he has a much saying that. He's not as terrifying in person as he is, what he looks like, but he will rip somebody apart. Oh, yeah. For sure. I remember this. I was going to find a little Jim for you. The his guitar player, which is he's so funny. I love the guy. Yeah, let's mull it. Let's take his mull it. Yeah, yeah. He goes, Hey, man, do you want to fight Alex for charity?

And I look at him. It's like, it's like the in New Hampshire on our tour. I'm like, no, I don't want to fight him. What do you mean? He goes, well, we asked Frons from Attila. And Frons was like, no, but like asked Ronnie. I was like, this is my this dude. Frons is always trying to just pass all of his crap off on the me. I'm not, I'm not going to fight a dude that wrestles a beer and cuts his face with a Rambo knife, dude. Yeah. If I had to, I would fight him if I had to.

And I probably wouldn't fight fair because he's, he's, he's a big dude. He's a, he's a staring dude, man. He's, you know, I mean, I love having him on my team. Let's just put it like that. Yeah, he's very imposing. And I agree with the sentiment because before I met him, I'm like, God, I hope he's not like unhinged. You know, I hope he's not like, no, he's like a very professional very, he doesn't drink or do drugs. He's like really thick the clen if you get to know him.

And I just respect the hell out of those guys. And I love what you're doing for them. Yeah. On that tour, do you, is it too early to talk about production on the tour? What fans can expect from the overall experience? We're just going to go bigger and better. You know, that's all I cast a much more though. Right. This is what I will say about we talked earlier about how people don't really put themselves out there.

I think a big part of it is they're very reliant on these, their teams that may sometimes or maybe oftentimes don't agree with their behavior or whatever, tell them to tell them which is very common. Do you ever deal with situations with your team? I think I know the answer to this, but where they're like, how can you not say that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, Brett will be like, bro, what did you mean by this? I'm like, dude, I'm like, it's not, it's not homophobic.

He's like, dude, we don't, we don't play that crap with the homophobic. I'm like, it's not, bro, it's a joke. It's a joke. See, look, and then I'll show them like pictures of me and the band acting gay on tour. Like, it's not, we're just, we're just boys will be boys kind of thing. You know what I mean? Like, my manager will be like, hey, man, can you not say that, dude? And I'll be like, yeah, I won't say that. And then I'll just go off and say it. So I love it.

And they don't, they don't, they don't push me to say things. They try to tell me to not say things, you know, or do things because I mean, it can hurt, it can hurt me, you know, if I go off and say something, but it's all from the heart. So if it's from the heart and I'm not a bad person and people know that, then it's, it's nothing to, it's nothing to regret. And if I do, I'll say sorry, I'll apologize if it's something insane, you know, you know, so yeah.

On the business side of things, in the music industry as a whole, like we've talked about, this is why I love hearing stories about people who are genuinely good people like Brett who are, who are representing you well, they're steering you in the right direction, given you good advice, is the music industry do you think I like asking people this? Is it as kind of conniving and fake as people make it out to me where you really got to watch your back from a business standpoint?

People try to screw you over. 100% but I, I'm in a business, my epitaph is like a family. I've been there for 18 years. I've been the same. I haven't changed labels. I haven't even changed my management, you know, and you know what I think? I think if you look at somebody's character, you look at how long they've had relationships for and friendships too as well.

And that's how, that's a good way to discernment, you know, like you see it, you know, and they are, they're just a family, they're transparent and most, there's, there's a lot of shady people in business though. I mean, yeah, dude, people stealing people left and right. And it's like everywhere you look, it's very rare to have a family oriented type of business, you know what I mean? So yeah. So I always say yes. Yeah, that's what I hear a lot.

I remember I asked Aaron Lewis from Stain that and he was like, oh, it's way worse than you even think it is. Is bad as you think it is, he's like it's worse. It's way worse, yeah. I don't have merch guy. It's still money for me, you know, I've had questionable business managers, you know, there's a lot, it's crazy, yeah, for sure. People, musicians who are not, who they say they are, you know, it's just, you know, a lot of, a lot of crap stuff totally understood.

You have had, you know, one of the things you do is you call out bands left and right. One band that you've kind of called out here and there is motionless and white. What is the beef there with that band? Is there, is there anything you can share? It's not a beat. It's not like a beef, dude. It's not motionless, the band, the actual members are cool. It's, I have a problem with Chris.

He, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he doesn't respond and people think that that's his, his, I lens means he doesn't care. Oh, he cares. He's not responding because it's like Kendrick and Drake. You know what I mean? You don't want to respond to it. You know, you know, that's all I'll say. It, it, it starts because there's a band called Crownly Empire and they're the little guys, right? They're the little guys, man.

They're not, yeah, I, I've known those guys since I put those guys on their first tour in 2012. They're just, they were just kids at the time, right? And they're such to dudes and there's a guy in the band his name's Brandon. He talks with a stutter. He's the most innocent, genuinely nice people. He really is. I'm staying this and I, and I know some of you don't think my word is gold because you think I'm a terrible person. So why would I coastline for a good person, right?

But he's a good person and he got accused of some things that aren't true. And, you know, he, they were on this tour with, with most of us and, and Chris kicked them off the tour just because he saw something that, that was like accusing him instead of getting to the bottom of it. He just immediately kicked them off and then cut contact with them and, and then they couldn't pay the rent or they're not, couldn't pay the rent, but they, they're bills and stuff and they just really messed them up.

And that's when I was like, that's so messed up because anybody can say anything they want about you, man. What about the truth? What if it's not true? And it turned out it wasn't true. And they, he never responded to them and he still hasn't said anything and he just kicked them off the tour. They lost the money. They lost a lot of stuff. They got attacked online. It turned out to not be true. So where, where is the revocustage for that? It's really messed up.

I would never, if a band, if I brought a band onto, that's why I brought them on high tour after that. That next tour was, I did that for a statement because they raised a tag on online and it really upsets me because he didn't do anything, dude. He didn't. I know personally, I know for a fact, he didn't do anything, right? So, so that's where I got really upset. I got upset because it's messed up, man, you don't do that.

You know, so if I bring a band onto, and someone's like, hey, they did this, this and this, right? I'm like, okay, well, we need to, let's do to the bottom of this first, right? And then they show me something. I'm like, what the hell? You're out of here. You piece of shit. Get the fuck out of my face, right? But if it's just, you wait a couple days and you try and turn it down, you're like, wait a minute. This person's insane. Wait a minute. Hold on. This doesn't add up. Right?

I'm not going to kick somebody off and then like, cease contact and ruin it. That's messed up, man. We got to stand up for like, there's so much fake shit on the internet. And I was a victim of that stuff back in the day and stuff. And I just really go ahead. No, that seems like that had a really big impact on you too, is that, you know, you, you dealt with that activation. You successfully defended yourself.

Um, what, yeah, that feel like to go through that, because it seems like a pretty, you know, that's traumatic. Dude, and dude, even though I have all these receipts and DNA evidence and, and detectives telling me like spring shots of like this, this is insane and I, she deserves prison and blah, blah, blah, right? I provide all this information. If people still love to just pretend like they don't see it, you know, it's like it's not fair, man.

So I sympathize with people that get wrongfully accused because it happens way more now. Even if it's smaller lacsations, then they spiral into big things, right? So I really took a fence to that and I don't like when somebody tries to keep this squeaky, clean personality when I know for a fact, like, I mean, I know, you know, I've, I've, I've been a band since they've been a band, bro.

I know a lot about them, you know, uh, I just don't like them people trying to help keep this squeaky, clean personality when they have demons too. And then they go and they take the route of kicking bands off tours and, you know, and then it goes into like their label contacting my director and my producer to do songs because my songs are doing good, right?

And then they go and then they turn into a were well, it's just, it's just a spiraling thing and you shouldn't be so upset about that, you know, it's stupid people caught in each other. I get it. You're inspired, right? You know, I was inspired by M and M. I'm inspired by a lot of people. So I get it, you know, but it's just, you know, I got to stick up for the little guy, man, period. And I don't care what anybody says and I'll do it. And I'll take it to my great.

I'll do, I'll stick up for the little guy because it's best though. I don't care. I'm not going to stick up for the rich guy because it's going to get me somewhere. I'm going to stick up for the little guy that has nothing, dude. You guys just nest this guy. This guy's whole career out for a year because of something that somebody said it wasn't even true. And then you're going to ignore it and pretend like it doesn't happen and ignore all contact with these. I don't respect that, man.

I don't respect that. So that's it. That's the line drawn in the sand. I got to tell you, I'm sure, you know, from the crummy empire perspective, it meant a lot for them to have been brought on that tour by you. That was such a massive tour. And, you know, I think that when you deal with this stuff online and when you're dealing with, you know, controversies and backlash and all of that stuff, it does help to have someone who is going to support upcoming bands.

And I do think that's one of the, whether you disagree with, disagree with, you are not. I think that people can sense that you're being honest, you know, to the best of your ability. And I think that's why a lot of fans have respected you. I was at a theme park a few weeks ago. And somebody was asking me about my channel and they're like, do you know Ronnie Radke? And like a lot of people that I meet now falling comes up continuously, continuous. That's cool. That's very true. And that's cool.

I wonder for you, if you had to go back to your younger self, that bad kid in Vegas, riding around, starting shit and causing chaos, what you tell your younger self knowing everything you know now and where you are today. Uh, I don't know. I would say just get through all this stuff. You're going to go through crap because I like where I am right now. I don't want to change anything. I think it would change the outcome where I am. I wouldn't be so me versus the world. You know what I mean?

I feel like people don't realize they're like, oh, it's not about, it's, it's not about, it's not about the accolades or it's not about being number one. There's some of these musicians that fake that. You guys are all liars, dude. Why is there a billboard number one? Because it's not about being number one, dude. It's about being number one, dude. We're, this is, I'm an NFL team, dude. I want to win the Super Bowl. Yes. I'm out for everybody's throat, dude. I'm not going to stop, dude.

So that's, that's where I draw the line when it comes that. So I tell myself I would never change because this competitive nature, I want to be number one. I always, I want to, you know, just like all these other bands that pretend, you know, they, they want to be number one. We all want to be number one. You know, so I was just telling myself to stay the route and deal with all the things. You know, I wouldn't want to change anything, you know, because, you know, that's how life is.

Life, life happens, whether you want to or not, you know, so this is the way I want it to be. I'm glad to wear an ass. So, yeah, it was a band early on in your career or an artist early on that had a really big impact on you that supported you early on and kind of took you under their wing if there was one. Oh, to Hobie Shaddaks, Papa Roach. Wow. Yeah, because, you know, he's nice to everyone and he, that's really who he is, by the way.

I'll say that all literally say that to the day that he, everybody knows that though. I mean, he don't get any crap online, bro. He's like the nicest guy ever and that's who he is. He's not taking a mask off when he goes home and he's like a different person. He's like that all the time in the green room, you know, off stage, on stage, you know, and I appreciate that. I think he sees that in me too. That's why he took me to.

But back in the day when I was trying to add rap and raw, I think since he was a rap rock band, but his was a little different, you know, the way I was doing is like straight and rap and then rock, right? So I was, I've been doing this for so long and I think he went alone, came out. He saw all the crap I was getting and then he tweeted, he goes, man, this song, this song's cut, mad, mad, this is what we needed. And he said something and I'll never forget it.

And then he wanted to work with me after that. Right. And I felt like nobody liked me and I get, he's like, everybody's like getting one touch G because I was putting out, I wasn't putting out what everybody else was putting out. I was trying to be different, you know, so I'll never forget that. And he's really ran due for reals. Do you think MGK took inspiration with his tattoos from your tattoos? Sorry if I put you on the spot. I was a good one, dude. I mean, bro, I got it.

I got, I did this about a year and a half ago. I know him personally. He knows me. We know each other. Um, I'm not the only one that's done it, but I mean, bro, it's a little close, but maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe he didn't think anybody would notice, but I mean, doesn't all these spikes have an arm? I think so. And he worked with Ollie. Maybe he got an inspiration from him too. And Davey Habick got this, right? Cap Von D. Yep. You know what, man, it's just, we're all inspired, man.

We're all inspired by each other, brother. Yes, love it. Um, who are some of the upcoming bands other than the ones that are on your tour? Are there any artists that you look at that you go, man, what they're doing is cutting edge? What I'm pumped about them. I know you've got your finger on the pulse. Um, what is that band? I was just like this band could be big. Um, lead theory, like they, they have potential, right? I see, I see the, they have potential.

Um, damn, dude, I was just seeing this. Damn it. Dude, I, I've met, I think, I don't know how long this band's been around, but, uh, Kool O'Connor's eyes. Yeah, they're, they're heavy as hell, man. Bro, I love that band. I think that band. I know that band's big, dude, and I know people love that band too, but, um, that band, uh, cherish, Jocelyn. I've got a kid. I agree. I'm like, I'm like, Jarris, if the, is that, does it become a stuvor star? He will become a Rick Rubin.

Yeah. He'll become something. That's, that's what I think. I'm good with this kind of stuff in, in, in tuition and like, just, and that kind of stuff. He'll become like a Rick Rubin. By the way, he doesn't do drugs. He doesn't drink. He goes a bet on time. He, you know what I mean? And that's why I like him. Yeah. I was like, I tested him, like, hey, Matt, can you be at my house at a nine in the morning? He goes, yeah. And he showed up. And I'm like, okay.

You know, because, you know, it's, that stuff is holding distracts you, bro. Yeah. It was, it was fun while it lasted. I, I, I obviously did it, but, um, it's been a long time since I have. And, uh, I'm, I just can, I can write so much better without being hung over and on jokes, you know, so I, I cut 99% of alcohol out of my life. I lost 50 pounds. Like, it's just a waste of time, dude. It's just so wasted time. Now go all the way. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Don't even social, don't even socially drink. Don't even, you know what I mean? Just don't drink it all. Right. You know, it's, you know, it's your me too. You know, so, um, yeah. So true. It's poison. Yeah. I find people really annoying when their child comes over. I'm like, everybody shines into toddlers. Right. You know what I mean? I'm like, dude, he is like, you know, so, and they just realize that you're interactions that happen to like do alcohol.

Like, it's like, you know, they're not going to remember the conversation and that sucks. And like, I try not to at shows like, present myself in that way when I'm meeting. You're doing the right. You're doing a good thing. You are, you are doing a good thing. And so all the people, you know, I hate see in bro. I hate seeing this too. Like Kendrick Lamar and, uh, the Drake, everybody calls each other glazed. They're like, like, uh, oh, you're just, you're just, you're just crying. They do.

Like, this is content, man. It's like, oh, you, you're dick riding a cori-tailor because you provide, um, a news source that's unbiased for the most popular people that get you the most clicks. Bro, of course you're going to do it. And like, those people don't know what to talk about all day long.

I get comments from people who are upset about certain artists that I want to talk about or, et cetera, like even like MGK, like for whatever people think about him, if they're frustrated by him, he does have a presence in rock, you know, and it's like, just because a lot of people are angry at him, I don't want to deny reality and just be like, oh, I'm not going to talk about it. Now I'm pigeonholing myself.

If I, if I, you got to talk about it, you got to talk about it because I mean, the, his album is good. I mean, it was good. Yeah. That, I don't know what's, what it's called the, the, the one, the good, the good one. The, the pop, the Bleak when A2 album, the, the, what was it called? It's the, is it the first one or the second one? Oh, there's two. Yeah, the first one was, um, now I'm, I know these titles too. I know these titles. It's just escaping me right now.

I'm in full falling in reverse mode. But yeah, I know what you're talking about. The one with maybe if I bring me the horizon on it and stuff like that. It's good. It's good. It's good songwriting and I will never deny if it's a good song is a good song. And regardless of what genre it is and what kind of band it is and who the person is, a good song is good song. It's got a bunch of good songs on it. Right. I wouldn't personally listen to it. It's just, it's just not my thing.

I loved Blink when A2 and that to me came from a real place and listening to Blink when Blisden and Angie Kate talk about high school at, in his thirties. It's just not, I just, for me, but back in the day, Blink when I, I'm not talking crap. I'm not trying to talk crap, but back in the day, Blink when he used to do that. But I was a kid in high school. Right. So I didn't question that he's 28 years old singing about high school.

But now I'm 40 and I see a dude in his thirties singing about high school. I just can't, I just can't do it. Man, I'm sorry. How much of a stuff do you think is like kind of contrived like in a boardroom where they're like, look at the analytics that show your audience and this young. So we need to have these things. I'm not saying that that's entirely, but do you think there's a certain encouragement to encourage to like present yourself as younger?

Yeah. When it goes corporate like that, yeah, probably. I mean, I couldn't imagine doing that myself. And I'm not, I'm not, I'm not disin, dude. I don't want to, I don't want to. No, I respect what he's doing and I, and I support him. Because disin him would be like way back in the day when Blink went to use to get picked on. I remember back in the day, everybody used to pick on me for listen to. I love Blink when he's important to the genre for sure. He's built a massive fan base.

I don't want to, I don't want to be the band that's on the festival talking crap about Blink when any two like I used to see. Right. I'm now I'm the guy talking about MGK that, yeah, I don't want to do that, you know, but I, yeah, I mean, to a certain degree, you're, I mean, if you're thinking it, it's probably true. You know what I mean? Bro, I think that's the proper note to end on Ronnie Radke, the new tour, all things falling in reverse, link to in the description, bro.

I just want to say thank you so much for doing this. I think you're so important for rock music. We need you so much. We need you out there. I really mean that. I, I, I think when you're not on social media, it's boring. And so I look forward to you, hopefully returning at some point in the near future. I'm back. Uh, yeah, thank you to all the fans out there. I just want to tell you straight when I'm looking at, I'm looking into the camera.

I can't see. Right. Wherever I look, I'm talking directly to you guys. The fans, thank you so much for all that you've done. You made my life so wonderful by appreciating how hard I work on the music that I do. And, um, I just want to say thank you for all the tickets. It sells like I cannot believe that I would ever be able to be in a arena band. And any band, that's a dream. So I just want to say thank you. I love all of you guys. Thank you very much.

I'm looking at you right now on the screen for this. And I'll see you guys really soon on the popular monster part to world domination. Absolutely. Thank you so much, Ronnie again. And everybody if you're new here, be sure to hit that subscribe button for more interviews like this, hopefully more real conversations. Thank you guys for doing. Thank you.