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Ep 2: The Art of Hearing God and Seeking Forgiveness

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Ever wondered how to hear from God and understand His messages? Ever felt overwhelmed by the mistakes you've made and the need for forgiveness? In our latest conversation with Juan Rios Jr. and Pastor Josh Forsberg, we unravel these mysteries. We talk about how hearing from God is a unique experience for each of us and tackle candid questions from our youth group about the blunders we've made in our spiritual walk. Learning from our missteps and feeling convicted is a potent reminder to seek God's mercy and reinforces the notion that His love is always within reach.

Accountability, we believe, holds significant importance in our journey. Join us as we explore this in-depth and discuss the transformative power of forgiveness. We share our insights on how our earthly and heavenly fathers can help guide us towards accountability and discuss the steps we need to take to ensure we don't fall into the same pitfalls again. We stress that no sin is greater than another and encourage using God's word as a guide for our actions.

On a quest to hear from the Lord? We share our thoughts on how the practice of journaling and seeking confirmations can bolster your faith and help you navigate life's decisions. We highlight the role accountability plays in aligning our actions with God's will and wrap up our conversation focusing on the intimacy with God. We believe that the Bible, prayer, and everyday life can all serve as channels for hearing His voice.

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Hearing From God and Forgiveness

Speaker 1

Welcome to the youth podcast . We're on episode two and we're so excited for this Welcome one . We're back . We're here for another one where we're excited , But my name is Josh Forsberg , one of the leaders of this podcast And my guy here . What's your ?

Speaker 2

tell me who you are . My name is Juan Rios Jr . I love that intro My name is Juan Rios Jr .

Speaker 1

All right , so we're excited about this , but we have some exciting news . What exciting announcement . What is it ? And the funny thing is , when people watch this , they're going to have already heard about this , but we got to say here , you , just , you just became what . A grandpa He just became a grandpa , a grandpa .

Speaker 2

Congratulations , big papa . Big papa , is that what they're gonna ?

Speaker 1

that's what they're gonna call you No , grandpa , big papa , i like that name . That's a , that's a good name .

Speaker 2

When I lose weight , then I'll go to papa .

Speaker 1

Just go to papa . Yeah , big papa's better .

Speaker 2

Anyway , huge papa .

Speaker 1

It was a sound that like Yeah , huge papa's not probably the way to go , but big papa , i like that . So how , how does it feel ? your ? your daughter , katie which all of the amazing students know who Katie is , she serves here gave birth to a beautiful baby girl .

Speaker 2

Tell us what's the baby's name ? is baby Venus ?

Speaker 1

Baby Venus . Okay , how does it feel to be a grandpa ?

Speaker 2

It's cool , you know , like I have this , my , my , my second grandchild , katie's first child , and we had a grandson a couple of years ago two years ago to be exact , almost .

Speaker 1

And now we have a granddaughter . Now you have a granddaughter , you have a little baby daughter to spoil .

Speaker 2

I'm surrounded by all these girls , though .

Speaker 1

Yeah , you are .

Speaker 2

Joanna Melly . Katie now Venus , and you know , it's like so many girls , david and . I are like way outnumbered .

Speaker 1

You guys are by yourselves in the family .

Speaker 2

Way outnumbered .

Speaker 1

Yeah , it's okay . Maybe they'll have a boy and then you'll get to add to the family .

Speaker 2

But that's exciting . Congrats , thank you . Thank you , it's exciting news .

Speaker 1

So by the time people are watching this or listening to this , it's going to be old news but we're excited .

Speaker 2

Venus is probably behind the youth . Oh yeah , she'll be your one . She'll be looking back watching this one day watching you .

Speaker 1

But so we're on episode two and we're just answering questions from our youth group , riverside Youth . We know that our youth , they have questions and it's actually crazy .

I just I want to say this I just went to a conference this past weekend and I was in like this generation breakout session And one of the things they said that they've seen in their youth groups change over the last few years is from before COVID to after COVID is that before COVID they were doing like all of these cool things to make students feel a certain

way , put on a cool vibe , but they said the thing that they've seen different is that students are now asking and wanting more questions .

Speaker 2

Right .

Speaker 1

That's the , that's the difference And I thought that is so true because that's what's happening in our youth group is we see all of these students , yeah , they want the cool vibe , they want fun stuff , but they're always asking these questions .

They want more , and I've seen it in them , and so we have a whole bunch of questions that we said in the first part , the first episode . So if you didn't watch it , go back watch it . Just all these questions .

We had probably 50 , 60 questions and our students just sent it to us about anything , And we said that last time about anything , And so we're just going to answer a few more . I think today's topic really is just going to be about hearing from the Lord . I think that's just such a hard thing in this generation is how do we hear ?

Speaker 2

I mean for us too like how do we hear You know like ?

Speaker 1

here we're talking face to face right now , like I see you , you see me , but when it comes to God , and there's so many different ways to hear right , in so many different ways , like not one person hears , like the same way , you might not hear the same as I hear , and so before I truly had that , that that tune in .

Speaker 2

I used to be like waiting for this big crack in the sky . Yeah his voice . I was just gonna be like right , you know just and it wasn't and it's not , And it's so many different ways that I get to hear them and see them and have that relationship with them .

Speaker 1

Right . I'm really excited about getting into this podcast , so let's just let's just dive in , and I think we'll start with this really good one that I think one of the girls , alicia she , wrote in our youth group . She said did you make any mistakes on your way to falling God ? So that's kind of like a part one .

And then , if so , how did you ask God for forgiveness ? So this is like huge from the Lord , because that's a huge thing . So why don't you just start off like let's just hit the first part ? Did you make any mistakes ? Many , many , many , many many many mistakes .

Speaker 2

Yeah , i still make mistakes , i still make bad choices , i still make choices that I know we're going to have consequences . And when do I , when do I make it right with him ? Or when do I ask him to forgive me ? I would say when for one , when he reminds me of it .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's good .

Speaker 2

Okay , I gotta make this right , Yeah , Or also , too , if I start feeling really heavily convicted or judged or a lot of condemnation like that's not I've got . So I mean , I look at it and I go wait a minute , why is this thing started to bother me this morning , Right , And then , as I'm reminded , I'm able to go back and go .

You know what , God , sorry . You know what . I realized that I did this last week and I shouldn't have . You know , you forgive me and help me get stronger and move on .

I think that's so important because , like I think , kids think that if you're a youth leader , a youth pastor or a pastor like you could walk on water too , And like you're perfect and you don't sin and your life's perfect And that's so . Not true ? No , not even close .

Speaker 1

Not even close , because we all make mistakes . I mean I said we all fall short of the glory of God .

Speaker 2

We are all sinful .

Speaker 1

Every human being sins . And if you're a person watching this and listening right now and you think you're not a sinner , you don't do anything wrong , that's basically a sin in and of itself , because in the Bible it says we all sin and fall short of the glory of God . So if you're thinking you don't sin , you're making yourself a God .

Speaker 2

You're making yourself a God and you're sinning in the process And you're saying God's wrong . Exactly , you're basically saying yeah , you're saying the .

Speaker 1

Bible is wrong . no , i don't sin So , but we all make mistakes .

Speaker 2

You know it took me a while to like . I always felt like I wasn't good enough to be a Christian .

Speaker 1

You know what I mean .

Speaker 2

Like a good Christian a usually . Christian , until I started getting real close to some of my mentors and I'm like wait a minute . these guys have problems too , like these guys go through the same stuff I go through . Well , let's talk about that real quick , because that made me think of a new question .

Speaker 1

Like we all think I think students fall into this , because I fall into this is that when you do mess up , right Whatever an addiction drugs , alcohol , sex even when you fall into something like that , there's always in that immediate guilt afterwards because we know we just did something wrong .

And so in those moments we like to blame ourselves , beat ourselves up , and then we think well , i'm not good enough then to be a Christian Right . We're just qualified , And so break that down , like when that moment happens , like it's not true , right , it's not the reality .

So how do we find a way to get out of that and recognize in our head like yo , actually I'm not a mistake , god still loves me and I just need to keep going and keep asking him for forgiveness ?

Speaker 2

So I mean , it's kind of like this If you have an accident , right , your intentions weren't to do harm , right , it was an accident .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

Like you did something . You realized , man , this is against God's will for my life . And instead of feeling guilty and ashamed and condemned or not worthy enough , realize like wait a minute , i've got insurance because you just died on the cross .

Yeah , that's good , so I could go to God through the sun to be able to say , hey , i'm sorry , like , can we make this right ? Like how can we fix this ? Tell me what I need to do to repair this end of it , or is it something that you're just gonna repair You ? know , what I mean And give me grace and mercy . You know that we so do not deserve .

Speaker 1

But through Jesus we have So .

Speaker 2

I think that you know , if we look at it like that , sometimes it's easier to kind of wrap your head around it .

Yeah , then , instead of like , oh man , i did this , now I can't tell nobody because they're gonna think less of me , or I'm gonna hide , or I'm gonna , you know , just not go nowhere , i'm gonna pull out of the church because somebody's gonna find out , so that person's gonna judge me , so because of that person , i'm not going back .

Speaker 1

Right . And we try to justify it Right , and we just try to pull ourselves away and out of the situation because we think and a lot of things I think for a lot of people we think we're the only ones dealing with what we're dealing with Right . And we're the only ones struggling with what we're dealing with .

But it literally says in scripture you are not alone in your struggle , in your sin . You are not alone Like there's somebody else in the world the seven , eight billion people in this world . There's one other person , probably in your neighborhood , your area of influence , that is dealing with the same thing that you're going through .

And I look at mistakes like I make mistakes every day .

Speaker 2

We all do ?

Speaker 1

We covered that . But I look at my mistakes as I used to look at it when I was younger , as this idea of like I'm just gonna deal with this forever . It's just my I'm gonna deal with this , i'm gonna keep making the same stupid mistakes over and over again And I would beat myself up , literally beat myself up .

And then I would look at the higher ups , i would look at like a Pastor Michael or Pastor John King , our leadership here , and I would look and I would be like they have it all together , like I'm such a failure compared to them . And but as I've gotten older and as I've looked at it now , i'm just like you know what ?

Yeah , i made a mistake , but my mistake does not define who I am My mistake . My mistake is not me . My mistake is not because of me . It's not my identity . Like what you just said . Instead , I can be free from that mistake and I can actually find freedom from that .

But the thing is is you have to go through it to get to the other side and to come out of it to find yourself in a way of I'm not gonna keep doing this And I'm not gonna keep making this mistake , And I think that's where a lot of people get hard . But let's so , let's take this and the mistakes that I made .

And she kinda asked in the back half of this question So how do I ask God for forgiveness ? So let's talk about that , because that's having a conversation with God , right ? So we made a mistake , right , You just made a mistake . Whatever you want your mistake to be . Now , how do you approach God with that mistake ?

Speaker 2

So I compare God to being my father . You don't know me and he's my spiritual father , he's my everything , so he's my dad . So like , let's say , i snuck the car out and I got into an accident .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

And when I got home I had to let my dad know that the car is hit . Now , yeah , i know I made a mistake by taking the car out . I know I made it worse by having the accident .

So now the only way I could make it right is to go to the source , go to my father , go to God and say , hey , you know what , i realized that I did this and I know that I shouldn't have and I know that it was wrong . Kellen , you forgive me .

And for one , how do we regain that relationship or that trust again , where , if you don't keep it from them and you go oh , it wasn't me , i didn't do it Like that relationship gets hindered or it causes more damage to the relationship than if you just came clean with it , because God is all-knowing . So here it is . He knows that we did it .

So it's kind of like in Adam and Eve in the beginning of the Bible he said who told you ? And even before he even asked who told you , he was like where are you ? He knew exactly where they were , but he wanted them to be able to come to him and say here I am . Why are you dressed ? Because I'm naked . Who told you you were naked ?

Well , the serpent did . Why were you doing talk to the serpent ? Well , he told me , if I ate the food , it'd be just

Accountability and Action Steps for Forgiveness

like you . And it's like so instead of Adam or Eve saying hey , we're right here , you know what we messed up , this is what happened and repented for it , they started getting so afraid that they started blaming each other one another , So it caused more distance between them and God .

So I look at it as my father , and if I mess up , what would I have to do ? to talk to my dad and make it as best or as right as I could .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's good . And I mean , i look at forgiveness as we wanna come to God for forgiveness and you said perfectly , with just your heavenly , your earthly father , and if you make a mistake , we go to them and we say , look , yeah , here I messed up . And I think the same thing is with God .

But the only difference is now and actually it's not even a difference , it's the same thing our parents , you get a discipline , maybe you get a punishment . That's the difference where God's not gonna really super punish us and carry on to us maybe your earthly dad would for crashing the car .

But I think the thing that God is now looking for when you ask him for forgiveness is like all right , what are you gonna do to change it now ? Cause that's the difference We can go to God all day long and forgive him , but the problem is , if you go right back and do the exact same thing , you take the car out again .

The next night and crash it on the other side . There was no point in going to God and asking for forgiveness .

Speaker 2

Because now it's an issue , because now it's an issue , now it's exactly , and so it's just because we ask for forgiveness doesn't mean we can go back and do it again .

Speaker 1

And that's a huge thing for us , so many people and , i think , students to recognize , because we just get into that trap of wanting to do it again , and again , and again and again . And I've been there myself where I'm just in a cycle of doing the same thing over and over again .

But I go back to God every day and I'm like God , i'm so sorry , i just did that , i'm so sorry , i just did that again . But then 24 hours , 48 hours , 72 hours later , I'm doing it again , and then I'm frustrated because I did it again , But I think it comes with . okay , we asked for forgiveness , but now what's the action steps ?

What are we doing to make sure we're not doing the same thing again ?

Speaker 2

And that's where accountability comes in . You have to have accountability . So if you have a little brother or sister , they'll be like , hey , listen , if I start seeking the car out or if I get tempted to remind me or , even better yet , go tell mom and dad that I did so , we could deal with it , because I really want to break the cycle .

Sometimes we do stuff so naturally that we don't even realize that it's really a sin , or like it's really that big of a deal . You know what I mean ? No sin is larger than the other , right ? no ?

Speaker 1

it's all equal Murder , or me telling you .

Speaker 2

All sin is equal . Oh , josh , i saw the Josh . I didn't see you called , but yeah , i looked at the phone and I hit it's the same thing . It's a lie . So all sin is equal . So it doesn't matter how small or how big . So if you really want to make a change , the best thing you could do is find an accountability person that'll help you . That's good .

Yeah , and then two , before you do something , if you're not sure , and it's gonna lead into another question but is lighted up with the word of God . I mean , what does the Bible say about it ? That's true , you know what I mean . Because , like anybody could say , well , that's not really a sin , Well , does the Bible say it is ?

Because if the Bible says it is , it clearly is So that's

Hearing From God

a problem . Yeah , the next question we're coming into , i think , is how to listen or how to hear from God . You know , it's kind of the same thing If you hear from God , it's always gonna line up with the word . And he's always gonna send you confirmation so you could stand on him You know what I mean . So like getting to know God without knowing God .

A great way is like through these podcasts , through the . Bible through , like studying him and going after him in that way .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

Until you are able to develop that intimate one-on-one relationship . Hear from God is . There's a lot of different ways to hear from God . And sometimes it's through the Bible When you're reading and you're like , wow , God , I really needed to know that . Or you might put a verse on your heart and you're like , okay , I'm gonna go look that up .

Speaker 1

And you're like oh , that's crazy .

Speaker 2

I was just going through this yesterday . So there's a lot of different ways to hear from God without hearing from God , and then there's times that you have to develop that ear to hear from the Holy Spirit and from God .

Speaker 1

You know like And it takes time too .

Speaker 2

Oh , absolutely , But let me tell you this If there was a hundred people at the mall and you know that , you took the car and your dad went to the mall and said Joshua , you know his voice , yep .

Speaker 1

So it's no different with this .

Speaker 2

When God starts talking to you , you start recognizing his voice .

Speaker 1

And that takes time and spending time with him Exactly . Spending time in his word Asking . Spending time praying .

Speaker 2

And then shutting up and listening . That's how we have one mouth in two ears , so we could hear and read and watch more than we talk .

Speaker 1

That's good , that's really good . I mean it's there's different . Like you said , there's so many different ways to hear from .

Speaker 2

God And I think we can .

Speaker 1

Let's just first thing . I'll go first , but let's talk about like the ways we hear .

Speaker 2

The most from God And I think .

Speaker 1

For me , i find my way of self-hearing from God in different ways And I feel like most people do like , yes , in the Bible , that's the number one way I think most people , everybody , can relate , cause we all need to read the Bible . It literally says read the word of God , know the word of God in the Bible , like that scripture .

So the Bible is one way , but on top of that , in my prayers and , i think , just in my daily life which is going to sound weird , but in my daily life as I'm doing things , i always feel in my spirit if this is right or wrong .

Speaker 2

Like .

Speaker 1

I , I think God just gives it to me right there .

Speaker 2

I get a check almost just right away .

Speaker 1

It's never like what you said in the beginning of this , like the sky's just opened up and the Lord came down to me and of it Like I never hear from God that way .

Speaker 2

At least I haven't yet Maybe one day .

Speaker 1

But as for me and I was just saying this I was at this conference this past weekend . This is one way I heard from God . It was the last session we were in worshiping And I had this moment where I was feeling this conviction . I thought it was conviction at first .

I thought it was the Holy Spirit like really like telling me , like hey , you did this wrong , you haven't been handling the situation right . But what I learned to find out is it was bringing me guilt it was making me feel really bad about it , like I was really tearing myself up and it was in the middle of a worship session and I Was standing there .

I was like this isn't God . I was like this is not the Holy Spirit right now , because he would not make me feel bad Right , like he would not make me feel upset about it .

Speaker 2

He would be set it myself .

Speaker 1

And so one of the moment I in that moment I literally just pray I was like Lord , take the enemy out of my head right now . And as soon as I prayed that and my mindset shifted , i no longer felt guilty , but I just felt the presence of God come inside of me and say you're fine , i got you .

Yeah but we're still gonna handle the situation right , a better way . But I'm not gonna make you feel guilty about it , so it was in that moment . It was just like a quick thing , like I know this isn't God , i know I shouldn't be feeling this way , so I'm gonna flip the switch , i'm gonna pray against this .

And then the Holy Spirit came in and it was a moment that I'll probably never forget . Right in my day-to-day life There's .

There's other moments where I'm just like man , that was from God and I always tell myself this too if I wouldn't have thought it Myself normally like , if it's something I normally wouldn't think about , or it's something I normally wouldn't come up with on my own .

Because there's a moment , like years ago I was walking into work at high V , walking in the parking lot , and I had this Just revelation come to me and I was like where the heck did that come from ?

Speaker 2

like why ?

Speaker 1

am I even thinking about that right now ? and Later on I was like that was from I'm pretty sure that was from the Holy Spirit , putting that in my heart because I needed to know that in that moment .

Speaker 2

Yeah dang .

Speaker 1

And so for me , that's just those little moments right there , just throughout my life , of things that I'm doing , that I know I shouldn't be doing , things I know I shouldn't be struggling with , and so I don't know , that's just for me , but I don't know . If you want to dive in a little bit , how do you ?

Speaker 2

man . So there's so many different ways ? Yeah , like you said , there's no set way . Um , I think it tastes a lot of faith . Yeah , you heard from God . Yeah , like you have to believe that you know that that was God . Yeah and start developing that faith . Yeah , until you develop the , the ability to hear or sense or feel right .

Um , i think that's definitely a good way to like get in the practice of it . Um , i I'm kind of like with you if you post me out of my comfort zone and it's like whoa , that's just crazy . Like why would I go get 41 double cheeseburgers ?

You know , I mean like individually bad , you know I mean we go out and we hand out cheeseburgers And we end up with 41 given out . Yeah , I mean and I'm like wow , if we would have got 40 , one person would have been short .

Speaker 1

Yeah , you know what I mean . So it's like little things like that that you like you question , but you're like okay , okay , but you feel the peace about it . You're like it's weird , like that doesn't seem like that's weird , but let's see what happens .

Speaker 2

but okay , let's try it , Yeah , yeah when he shows up , you're like man , he's good .

Speaker 1

Yeah , he knows what he's doing . On the other side , then that's good , though , cuz then on the other side of those moments you realize , yeah , he was right right , like that was God .

Speaker 2

It was out of my comfort cuz in the moment , in the moment .

Speaker 1

I feel like in the moment you're , you're always questioning . People are always questioning is this guy ?

Speaker 2

I'm not what he to myself .

Speaker 1

Why ? yeah , like , but then on the other side you're like , you know that was God Yeah cuz .

I was thinking as I was sitting here , one of the way just how I think it's practice , like what you said , and one of the things I did when me and Miranda were dating , before we were even dating , one of the things I kept saying I've told this story to our students before , but one of the things I kept doing in that moment Was practicing praying .

It was during 21 days of prayer and fasting and I , every day , every day , i made it a routine every day to pray God , is this the girl you have for me ? every day , i prayed that prayer and I also added on the back end of it , i was like , if it's not , then take , take it away , yeah take the idea away , take the thoughts away , and I did this .

And I want to talk about practice because we have a few minutes left . I want to talk about practice because I did that every day for 21 days . Every day , i prayed that prayer and the thoughts never went away . My desire grew for that girl more and more every single day , but I took the practice every single day to do

Practicing to Hear From God

it and . I heard from Lord . I didn't hear from day one , right , right . I didn't hear day two . I didn't even hear day three , but once you heard it , but once I knew and I heard and it didn't take all 21 days , but I prayed it all 21 days .

I knew like probably two weeks in , this is the girl I'm gonna marry , but I kept praying because I wanted to be Triple checking myself . And it's not that I doubted God , it's just I want to make sure and that's why it's like that . So let's talk about practicing , because I think hearing for Lord , like you said , it's practicing .

It is so how can we find ourselves Practicing to be able to hear from God , like what are things we can do on a day-to-day basis ?

Speaker 2

I'll tell you easy cool thing that I like Doing is Journaling . Write down what you think you heard and date it good Yeah and then , when it happens , we date it got out . We could be like man . God said this on January 1st and on February 28th He did it .

Speaker 1

Yeah , you know me like yeah , yeah , you showed me that he was gonna do that .

Speaker 2

Yeah and that way you start , it starts building your faith . Yeah it makes it stronger , it makes it easier for you to navigate through and stuff . Okay um , i also like Look for a lot of confirmation . So like if something that God tells me like I'm like , man , god , what's got you know ? a lot of people like what's confirmation , you know ?

it's like kind of like getting clarity that , hey , this is what you're supposed to do . Um , let's say , uh , you know , um , i Really feel like I need to get another truck . I really feel like it needs to be read yada , yada , yada . And then somebody comes up to you two weeks later at church and they're like did you get a new red truck ?

And I'm like , what ? no , why ?

Speaker 1

you know , and it's like , yeah , okay , god .

Speaker 2

And it's more than just a truck . I mean , I'm just in in general , like you know , even if it's a matter of like I'm in a dog or relationship Or you know whatever , you know I need choice that you're gonna make . Ask God to always confirm it for you . Yeah , as a married person , i Have to be .

My wife has to be in a hundred percent agreement with me in order for me to take a step of doing something like Huge , because we are one , mm-hmm , um , and I'm not saying that if the Lord tells me to do it , yeah , if the Lord tells me to do it , i'm gonna do it .

But , right , i'm gonna make sure she understands what we're doing , right , but , like , if it's a matter of like , um , hey , i think I'm gonna start a small business . You know , like , i want to make sure my wife's in agreement . Stuff , because we are one , and that's my accountability part . Right , that's my , you know . So , like , why wouldn't I ?

right , because it's just gonna cause more division . Right , god will never give you something that's gonna cause you a riff , unless you're trying to replace something in your life . But , like , god's not gonna tell you to do stuff that's against the law . He's not gonna tell you to do stuff that's gonna cost you your life . You know what I mean .

Speaker 1

It's just I mean , let's go back to that , because what you're saying now and what you said at the beginning is that God is never gonna ask you to do something . That goes against the word of God , and it comes with knowing and I don't know the whole Bible , i'm just gonna ask Like none of us are gonna fully know the whole Bible .

Only God is the one that's gonna ever . But like God is never gonna ask us to do those things and what you're saying is like he's not gonna ask us to rob a bank . You know , like maybe you're family struggling , god ain't never gonna tell you go rob a bank .

Speaker 2

That's not what he's gonna do . He might tell you to go to this dumpster at 3.30 in the morning and there might be a bag of cash in there , maybe . yeah , he might be lucky enough for that . He's never gonna tell you to go do that , right .

Speaker 1

But God is never like what you said and our students aren't married , but maybe there's people watching this but God is never gonna do something in your marriage to divide your marriage . You know , maybe it's let's just put it in a friend way , like if you're friends with people .

God is never gonna ask you to do something to your friends that's gonna cause them to . They might not like you in the moment , but it's never gonna do anything to where your friends are gonna hate you Right , they're gonna be hurt And they're gonna be hurt .

Speaker 2

They're gonna be hurt .

Speaker 1

Yeah , turned away from God . God is never gonna wanna do that , because he wants people to be drawn to him , And so you always have to re-ask yourself , man , is this what God wants ? And I think that's a way to get closer to God , because that's what I did with Miranda is like I prayed about it .

I think everything that we wanna do , if we wanna know something , we pray about it . Like God , show me this . And God works in weird ways , because I believe if you just start praying stuff like God , tell me if I should open my new Instagram account for selling whatever Like can you start praying about that every day ?

And you come to church one day and , all of a sudden , this person comes up to you and says hey , I don't know if I'm supposed to tell you this , but I think you're supposed to start an Instagram account for this , like God could do that , and that's confirmation .

And maybe it's not like that , but maybe it's God sending you ads on stuff about what you wanna start your business about , and it's little things like that are just like okay , i think I was supposed to do that And I'll say the example for this in the two minutes we have left .

But for this podcast we talked about this in episode one And I didn't know if I wanted to do this right . You said you wanted to do it , i said I didn't wanna do it .

And for years for years we said no , but as I thought about it again , i was like man , i think the Lord wants us to do this , cause it came back up and it came out of nowhere , like I wasn't thinking about it for a long time . You didn't say anything to me for a while , but it came back up . I'm like I think we're supposed to do a podcast .

So what did I do ? I prayed about it And I haven't had this blatant confirmation like somebody coming up to me and be like you're supposed to do a podcast . Like I haven't had that . But what I haven't had is anything going against it .

Speaker 2

I haven't had no one stopping me . When you say that , though , when you ask kids to write questions and you get 50 or 60 questions , i think that's pretty strong confirmation itself , and I think there's a little confirmation of that .

Speaker 1

But what I was gonna say is I have this internal confirmation that it's not saying hey , don't do this . It's not also blatantly saying go do it , but it's just like saying I'm not against it .

Speaker 2

That's kind of where I'm at .

Speaker 1

It's like I trust you to do this . Your students want questions , and I want you to produce something that's spiritually relevant to this generation And things that they're gonna want . And I think I'll say this too is when we did a podcast on relationships a couple months ago it was me , miranda and Taylor . We answered some questions .

It blew up for our church .

Speaker 2

It didn't blow up thousands of views But it got a lot of people were interested .

Speaker 1

And so I think that comes out of it . But because I was diligent about praying about it , I just kept asking God , is this something you wanna do ? And he gave me the piece and he gave me direction . He gave me 60 questions that students are asking and want to know more about , and so I think we see it . there is that God is looking for .

God will show you and direct you and where you should go , but the thing is , you have to ask him and ask for that direction first .

Speaker 2

Absolutely .

Speaker 1

And so Absolutely . But yeah , this was good . We're coming to the end of the podcast and we were talking about just man hearing from the Lord And I hope maybe , as people are watching this , and so just real quick , we have like maybe a minute And for 30 seconds , both .

Just what's one thing that they can start , maybe after listening to this podcast , something practical that they can start doing . What is one thing maybe you encourage them just to do real quick , man .

Speaker 2

I would say to start hearing and seeing God move . start writing it down , journal it , date it , time it , if you want to , and then go back every week .

or if you're having a bad day , just go through that journal book and then see how God has moved in the past And it just gives you more hope , it helps you develop more faith , it helps you see God in action versus just trying to remember what was the last thing I saw God do . You could go back and read it and that's it . That's good .

Speaker 1

And I think one thing that I would say is just constantly find yourself just in the word I think I say this over and over and over again to students is that if you can just read for five minutes , just start with five minutes . It takes practice , but start with five minutes and then work your way up .

Tomorrow , man , 10 minutes , then the next day , 20 minutes And then maybe , if you fall back down to 10 , that's okay Go back to 20 and just work your way up . I do mine about a half hour every day In the morning . That's why I spend my time , and so that's what I would encourage you with . And I think , man , writing down stuff is good .

I'm not good at that , but I write my notes from messages in my phone .

Speaker 2

That's what I use in my phone as well .

Speaker 1

And if God speaks to me . I write it in my phone too , And so those are good ways to remember just kind of what God did .

But podcast , episode two , Number two In the books we're excited , but make sure we're gonna say it at the end all the time like and subscribe , check it out , Check out the last episode if you didn't before , And if you see anybody or know anybody that needs to hear it , send it to them . Share it with them .

But we look forward to seeing you next time on the podcast . And if you have any questions , email us . Email us , send it in joshforzberg at RiversidePurecom . I'm gonna put that in there , but we love you guys and we'll see you next time , kevin .

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