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Rio Reacts: How Bad Can It Get At Manchester United? ft Stephen Howson & Joel Beya

Sep 29, 202424 min
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The band are back together!


Join them as they break down the key moments from the 3-0 defeat, including Bruno Fernandes' controversial red card. What went wrong for United? How long does ETH have left? Can they bounce back after this setback?

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supply. Yes guys, welcome to Rio Reacts. This is Rio Ferdinand obviously a really kind of downbeat Rio Ferdinand, but listen guys, this is a place where you come to catch all the unfiltered the rawness and the reactions to all of the stories that are going around. And the game into down fortunately it ain't a good one. This ain't a good story. This ain't a good vibe. This ain't a good reaction to an absolute piss poor performance. I've got to be honest.

Powered a puff embarrassing no real idea. It seemed no real fight second half a little bit of a fight here and there, but a distinct lack of quality. I don't know, I could go on. The was that groups are absolutely flying and they're coming on to this show. We're going to get the band back today. I think we plan to have the band back on the back of a good result. But it ain't going to happen. Steasier to come on. I think Joel's coming on as well.

Joel definitely will be on because I know that user will be smiling too much for my liking. But it's getting to it. I just think we started. We started poor man. We just look like. We just look like easy to play against. We look at the moment. The way we started the season. We just fell back into what we were before. I went to the training ground. I was there. Sorry, I know because you're not going to see what you're trying to do. I can see the way you're trying to press.

Especially the games I watch with Bruno and Mason trying to press in the front. They look harder to play against the midfield pushing in behind that. I've never since then made a swear. It's been an absolute like shit show. I've got to be honest. I can't even hide it. I don't even like to swear. But the way that we put the way that we've played. I just think what we're trying to we look poor in the ball trying to play out. We can't we've got no ideas. There aren't no patterns.

And there isn't a way of pressing your position. Spurs. I don't know if they've ever come to old traffic and been able to play with cigar that I did in the first half. Even the defenders just chilling on the ball. No real pressure. And we'll get to the red card in a minute. But van de Ven ran through the whole team. And I look at it and just think. Okay, it's bad. It's terrible anyway, right? But it can happen. But it happened mid week as well. It happened mid week.

A team will apply run for our team mid week for SC 20 and they scored a goal on the back of it. You'd be thinking as a team, we ain't having that at all. He's going to get taken out on his way if he starts getting up a full head of steam. Whoever it is is getting taken out. And I know it's difficult. But with that in the back of your mind, given what happened mid week. There's no way a player should be allowed to do that. I mean, I get it. It can happen. It happened in my time.

I mean, I'm in the bow running through, but we won't have any center asked for him from back to front and taking liberties like that on a regular bit. It's like, what where's the pride, man? Like I just don't know that just don't seem that that fight don't seem like is where it should be. And it's hard for me to sit in and say, I don't like saying this shit, man.

The Bruno red card, I think is pissed poor as well. I think it's a bad red card in no day and age should that ever be a red card. Yeah, he's a little bit late. Yes, he slips a little bit. Can that not be taken into consideration? It ain't even above his knee, by the way. It's heard the commentary that he's around his knee. It ain't he taps him. Yeah, it's not a red card on any day.

A straight red, no way. I can't have it, but do not let that distract from the fact that we were terrible. We were in embarrassment today. I had someone, people are no going up to, to Old Chaffer today for spurs fans. I will take a draw before we get it. We'll take a draw. After 10 minutes, they're probably thinking, right, if we don't get over three points, we're disgrace, we are, we are. And they did, they batter us in the end, free zip.

The red card doesn't, it shouldn't be an excuse for anybody at the main night of now. It shouldn't be an excuse for anyone at the football club. We were terrible. We were, we were terrible to watch. It was a terrible kind of representation of who we are, what we are right now. And you look at it and you just think, I don't know, given the ball away constantly. I'm renting here, but I can't help it. I've just sat there and watched the game and just thought, like, what the hell are we?

I said, he was this all our season. And I think listen, you give the manager the benefit of that, he gets his hand in the cut the trophies, I get it. I understand, right? But I need to see some form of like identity on a consistent basis on a regular basis. And he can't always be down to we got players out and I don't know, integrating new players because I see other teams integrating new players, a big turn over a players and they still get managed to play good football.

And you see an identity and a style of football that they're playing. I don't know, Chelsea aren't in any start call, but they've got the biggest turnover. They get results. They find a nice brand of football that people I'm sure are looking like enjoying going to Stanford Bridge now.

Aston Villa, I mean, I am going to change it up immediately. Immediately look at the way they're playing now. We've been without the ball. That's the big thing for me. Football is about with and without the ball in possession out of possession. You've got to be absolutely solid and far are both ways.

I don't see us doing it either way. That's the alarming thing. If we were good going forward or we were great defensive, you know what, wow. I don't see it. Anyway, do you know what I've got to give a shout out to you took a lot of stick last season, an honor without him is six or seven today.

An honor has been he's been good this season. He stepped up. He's made some big saves. Yes, there's been the odd thing here, but he's been what you want to see what I expected to see from an honor is what I'm seeing this season. He's the only one today who comes out again with any sort of credit. Any sort of positive. He can walk his head high. He won't because he'll be sitting there hurting conceded free goals, but he won't even at full for any of them again. He kept us in the game.

I don't don't see where our goals are going to come from even. Just to his works. He's got zero goal zero system in last seven game to main after a bright start. But he was bought into be I think more of a backup player. Obviously, Hoelan got injured. He's got to go in a step in immediately. He hasn't been given the time. Hoelan's going to come back fit, but again, he's been injured.

I just look at us and just think like, wow, what the hell are we like? What are we? That's what I'm struggling with. It's a. I don't know. It is. It's weird. The send enough of poor. I look at us and I just think in that change of half time, please tell me there was arguments minimum.

Please tell me there was arguments minimum. Please tell me someone got scurved and put up against the wall or a boot hit someone or someone kick something or the team got went flying. Please tell me at least give me some hope that something that didn't happen. Even someone who ain't playing some experience players that ain't even stripped. We went down to the change and so listen what the what the hell is that?

What have I just seen there? Please tell me that is happening at least and it give me something to see. There is a bit of fight even when we didn't see it today because that can happen sometimes. You think I was going to be a bit of fight and it doesn't turn out to be that way on a day right. I get that's the can sometimes. Please tell me at least in a change room. There was a little argument or there was at least some 50 cuts or something. Someone got their neck put up against the wall.

A few scratch marks. I don't know. Whatever. I just want to fight man at least bare minimum you want me a bit of fire and I'll traffic just felt like you could hear the crowd if to say that's urgent players to get out against people get up against people get out and getting people so you could hear the crowd like come on.

That's what I was like on my sofa and I just like and I'm an explainer and I played the game right and I'm not sitting here saying every single time we went out we were perfect we weren't.

You're saddened far to often where I sit here and go what the hell was that is happened far too many times in the last cut where you go what the like I don't know what I'm watching I don't know what I'm seeing I can't see a pattern I can't see anyone getting up against anyone is there any fight there for me to ask is there fight is a problem.

I think they can take a little bit of I don't know the coaches love obviously we just second off we we put up a bit of a fight with them and what I'm done but yeah in enough is not good enough. And yeah the lack of ideas of how to play out is a kill up. It is our areas areas here are still looks like me. Steve would you think of that forget Joel for now you can just stay there keep making faces would you think of that.

That was bad that today I think we've been really lucky here my daughter crying she's what's my daughter's crying in the background can you do that that's what's happened to my house. I thought we've been a look at this season but today was bad and you can look at 10 men but it wasn't 10 men until like a 40 of whatever minute and we didn't get a foot hold in the game until it was 2-0 there's only and on one hand.

I'm sure on on some level the reason that we got a foot hold in the game was supposed to look anywhere we don't need a push or let's relax a little bit and allow us to have the ball. And I think you know it probably deserve a little bit of credit because in that 10 minutes or so we did look like we were actually creating something we're getting for. There's a book coming.

But the timing of the free spurs goals was flawless like they score after three minutes totally settle and nerves make you know after come and play they score two minutes into the second half. Whatever just got spoke about half times out the window because now we're in the shit and then in that period where you know you actually look like we was going to go and score and might have got back into the game bang free and it's game over and now what do you do.

Like the time of their goals was mint from their perspective about pot just what's called and just just walked into that dressing room whipped his chopper out and gone chubbed up happy days see on the coach done. I just don't I look at it and just think like wow like were you there Steve. No I'm a plunge on the basis today so let my lad and my dad go well done you don't want to get in there watching that.

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Acast studios check out am I doing it wrong wherever you get your podcasts. I just I'll just look at it gone gone job I can't hear you. I like it a lot of I think they muted me on purpose because they knew I was on smoke have we finished. What's going on? What's going on? I'm going to shout out Mickey van Da Vin player the match today. I thought he was outstanding obviously that state in the obvious but wow. Someone needs to talk to me about Martin as man I'm hearing these.

This takes great player and you know still loves wax and lyrical and stuff bro a few battles here and there but when it counts. I'm not seeing a thing this is his third season you know when you look at the end of the when you look at other center backs in the league I'm not going to bring it to my club. You can see colossal center backs right I still don't even think you got it right at the back here you know obviously that's why you got slept free no today.

Rio I know I know you're a man United fan you see but we have to keep it real man. ETH times up bro. It's times up I said it before in the semi final of the FA Cup when you when you got slapped up by a championship team you got lucky. I was back to back eight football come down we all know we're on the documentaries asking for our turn to go that's a long time ago. Steve. My head was talking to the back. My hair line was different then Steve right who.

A van will come in and does a bad job but you might you might as well get getting rude van history in my opinion. Roots there right now taking training so what makes you think he's going to make any difference but there's a difference between being a number one and being a number two.

Steve you know that. Because ended a day the box stops with ETH. He is the guy that calls the main shots. Yes he's going to lean on to rude for advice here and there but I promise you those two guys don't have different ways of seeing ball. But aren't they going to have the same message so what's what's roots change of message going to be if he suddenly gets the big job.

It's not always I don't know but I'll tell you what that's like saying pep and mekel are the same because one was one was assistant coach two different stars bro even though there's similarities. I'm sorry you guys might not say it because you guys are protecting the brand and there's nothing about my United tears. Throwing in in fact I need to drink it by the way I'm firstly yeah. Sacking managers don't work. You say that but I just don't think.

The second no no no the part of the difference is right. Sacking managers without a real option and a relevant option and realistic option is ain't worth while you're only going to take yourself from one shit situation to another. If there's an absolutely kind of stand out candidate who's sitting there who you think is the right person and obviously they met the couple of these guys who probably still out of a job the likes of two or etc. I don't work with.

So I don't see where the candidate is unless many night and they're going to unerf somebody like the way that bright and do using data right. And I just think at a moment I don't see where that person is unless may not can go and find a deserving before anyone in this country knew who deserve he was to go and really change the way that may night are going to play and get the best out of the current copper players that we've got.

That's the important thing can we we need to be getting the best out of the players that we've got we've got a bunch of players here who are playing nowhere near. What we are used on no other capabilities are we can't get on unknown data managed though isn't so much of being Manchester United manager. The PR game and who you are and your personality.

That's why I'm saying Rupert and this door is the guy because he's the respected guy you played six games and you got six points to the back of a side that's not good all these all these signings upcoming yes there's been injuries here and there i'm not trying to hear that zirx is a 9.5 i'm not trying to.

It's kind of back to what he said I think I think it's difficult to you can't just go and get someone you go okay that is great and but ain't got the capacity or not understanding of how to deal with the size of my United club is it's like.

And I know this sounds like an excuse but Manchester United is such a different beast to guy a new manager going into man city one day or going into Chelsea or notice you expect going into Arsenal is so different right because of what comes with that the eyeballs the noise that's so.

The noise that surrounds that job is so different to all of those other places that you can't just go okay we're going to get someone who the data saying is and suggest is going to be right if they haven't got the other part. I hear you but you're still better than what you've currently got right now so if you're saying you're better than that then you're clearly better than what you have right right now Steve is a nugglesman available at the moment.

Nugglesman is the only guy that would make me set up if you know when here we go but the other problem is what's he done the last cut of what he's done we're being linked with fucking Gar self great. What's that was done the last couple of jobs he's had by the way did he win the league in by any day that he did yeah yeah.

Yeah Rio Rio I'm telling you yeah if you if you want to talk about profiles right about now if it's not rude it's him because right about now you guys are playing yourself waiting waiting that's wait till he brings another trophy and let's bring weight to Christmas let's wait till he signs this player and that player. Why you got your ass to shut on anyway what the hell you come out of your ass to.

Was it allowed to take longer with action because it depends on what it depends where you are where we were. I was I took a bit of job for an hour years and what's he want FA Cup a covid FA Cup yeah you can say what you want but my guys I'm not going to allow you to do this Manchester United and asked the we're in two different places at the moment you guys shouldn't even be watching our section of match of the day.

I was asked to ask the were great on the on the catwalk they're doing magnificently on the catwalk that's what I'm thinking. I was asked to get to this point and you came eight. It's working for us. Joe's aside Joe's as a steve is a poor argument. I'm not going to be a big deal. I'm not going to be a big deal. I'm not going to be a big deal. I'm not going to be a big deal. I'm not going to be a big deal. I'm not going to be a big deal.

I'm not going to be a big deal. I'm not going to be a big deal. I may be a big deal. I don't have a big deal. I just wanted to ask questions and I'm not going to be a small deal. What the plan is? Eric Tennhardt, my bro, I still don't know what's going on. You know what only if only if only Joe only a few man can get away of growing glasses inside. Take them off. Now we want four two years. If I take what people have to put this on the screen. You pick. Wow. How dare you even put that

niche, bro? I can't believe it. Wow. Wow. My yard is just rolling around. I have to say, I just, you know, today, like I said, before you guys come on, I went to the training round and I watched two or three games beginning of the season and was thinking like, okay, I can see a method to that matters. I can see without the ball, we look so much more compact and I thought we were harder to play against, still not perfect, but we were an improvement.

And we've just slipped back into what we were doing last season. The last couple of games. I'm thinking what it's like you attack, we attack open system. But like I said, without a non today, I don't think that's been the case this season, but today, I mean, today was might be the way Spurs played, but it's been far better. We've conceded half as many shots per game. We're creating more per game. We've just not been scoring. You just never seen that.

Part of the game, don't you? It is part of the game. That is part of the game. You've got to give me your chances. You live a poor game. You live a poor Spurs game. If you look at them and go like we, they're they're utterly embarrassed. Like, and it's like, that's that's two out of six. You played six and lost three. What is going on? So I mean, like, Bratton could have gone both away if we finish our chances. You probably win that game, but you still, you get beat. So,

you've got to take your medicine, right? And it's you just look it and go, we've got to, uh, before the Bratton game, even the Bratton guys guys, you know what, there's just, uh, actually even the Bratton game was like, you know what, even though we lost, I still sense a bit more security with the way we were playing. I ain't seen that. Like, I'd live a pool today, even the game, you have a day that got to set it off running straight through us, whoever it was,

running straight through us. I said, it's probably come on. Okay, it can happen. People can run through your team. And then the next game after someone does it again. That's like, are you not working out the dangers like? Are you not seeing shit like? Are you not talking about this? I just hope there's been a fight in there. I hope there's been a fight in a change room. I hope someone's been dragged up. I hope, I hope coffee or tea is flowing over and half burnt someone's

leg or something like that. I hope the kit man was like, there's, there's boxes or something to hit one of the kit men or someone in the face. I hope it's all gone off in that change room, even players that ain't playing. I hope someone has just gone absolutely bananas in there and has actually been held back and pulled out and gets fined the week wages. Elise showed some some bollocks because it just didn't feel like it was there today like that. You can't win two games out of six.

It's just you keep flipping the seat. Are you just taking off your seat? I'm not afraid of me. I'm not going to go. I'm not even banning and rob out now. Sometimes, yeah, you've got to throw the jabs in, but then sometimes you just got to say it as it is and rob out now. I just think Bruno. Bruno has come out and spoke just now and he had said that meant yet one of the quotes that came from there was he said that James Madison said it was a foul and not a red card,

which is fine, but it's a red card. And I think Bruno said many good things we can take away from today. I'm really proud of the team. He's going to have to watch that game back and then retract that statement man because that ain't right. He hasn't seen it the way we've seen it on the TV. It looks very different guys. I'm going to go, man. I'm pissed off. I've got to be honest. Have you never said like before I came on, I heard you talking about that you said that we weren't perfect

when you played. We were a little bit better though. I think it's fair to say. Do you ever remember having a goal and do what's almost a weakly kin like apology kind of finger or when you have one of the interviews after the game when you've been bad? Do you remember doing one? Did you do one after the six one or anything like that? I don't know. I don't know if I've ever apologized for a fool. All you think about is I'm going to go out next game and we're

even out again. We're going to embarrass ourselves again like that. The next game you're on. Instead of that wishy washy bollocks that he's just said, if he came out and went, actually we're man you're not even out again. Yeah. You get stronger from respect, wouldn't he? Yeah, I think so. But it is like it's delusion that I think it's like you've got to just be honest with you. So I think you know as players like this and we were way off it today, miles off it.

Like you lose three naught home. The red card isn't an issue. It isn't a factor in the result because you're already losing the way off it anyway. Just hold your hands up. I think like you say people will go, do you know what fair play on to the next one. And then you go out next game and you go bang, we're on it and we're getting people's faces and we make it difficult to play against at least as a starting point. But that that that arstals shirt you got on there pissing me off. I've

got to be honest. I'm going to go because I'm just going to end up saying shit. I don't need to say. Have a good evening guys. Yeah. Yes, it is good to have the good to have the squad back again man, but under the worst kind of cloud man. Steve is good to see you. So I want to take a few show in my disc, please. It's got to be the fun now. That one. That one. Yeah. It's a bit wise. Please. It is. It's a bit. Please.

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