I'm gonna say, there are knock on wood here, there are career paths I would turn down, uh and and go back and wait tables instead. I think that's true for me too, certainly yea um, but not many. So let's hope it doesn't come to one of those two things. Any offers out there, go free to email them to ridic romance. Are poaching ourselves on our own show. You can't look for other jobs on your podcast. I want to do the podcast forever. Just say, just say when,
and we'll stop looking. Yeah, y'all tell your friends, your neighbors, uncles, aunts, hell, I'll go ahead and say, throw cousins in there too. It's like I used to say at the theater shows, like, if you really love the show, please tell all your friends everyone you know so that they can love it too. If you hate the show, tell your enemies. It's a win win situation. That's a good one. Well, welcome back, everybody, Yeah, welcome back. I'm Eli, I'm Diana. We're here very excited
to bring you. Part two barely scratched the surface for life, and we already went through so much. What a story I mean, she she uh, she slept with her dad's boss. She learned fencing, she could fight, brilliant, beautiful, She said, a convent on fire, She said, a convent on fire, so that she could run away with her lesbian lover, and then got sentenced to death. Right. She ran a guy through the shoulder and started sleeping with him. Yeah, almost as an apology. I think he was real into
her though. After that he was like, that's my kind of girl. It's a live one, you know. I want someone on my level, right right, And she got pardoned by the king. Most people haven't even done anything worth being noticed by the king, let alone pardon right. He thought it was gott a cool, And she won a gig with the Paris Opera. Oh yeah, sure, other place most of us will never work, probably not, can't see it happening, But you know, who knows, who knows what
the future holds for us? Could be serving it could be the Paris Opera Opera? Yeah, who knows? Life twist And I never would have expected myself here telling the story of Julie d'abigny into a microphone is so true. Yeah, so yeah. Julie d'aby was just living life, living out loud, living large, and once she got to the Paris Opera, she started singing under her married name, which was Madame de mopen or is the French like to do it lapen but the lady mopen, right, you know, instead of
the dude one. Yeah, we don't care about it's collected taxes somewhere the provinces who cared. Oh yeah, this guy got shipped off by her dad's boss. Slash her guardian, slash her boyfriend. That's right complicated. It's complicated on Facebook if she had, it's complicated her. And so in this episode, we're gonna be calling Julie la mo pam because that's what she's best known as in this part of her life.
So let's hear all about that. Let's talk about how she crashed some parties and protected innocent women from creepy duodes and played pranks on nobility, and of course fell in love. Oh got to learn that. Let's go, hey, their French, come listen well. Elia and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no matchmaking, a romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationships, a love it might be any type of person at all, and abstract cons a don't a concrete wall. But if there's a story where the
second Clinch Ridiculous Romans a production of iHeart Radio. Alright, so at the Paris Opera, they already had, you know, a leading lady of course, established company going on, and they had this deva named La Rocheois and she was like a star soprano. She's saying all the leading roles, and apparently Julie just fell in love with her, right, she was like, I'm obsessed with this woman, of course exactly.
She's probably just a beautiful, extremely talented and she was just like, you know, like hard eyes like in the fronto. Julie is one of these folks that, like when someone impresses you, you sort of take that to mean you love them. I can do that, yeah, yeah, or she's just like people who impressed me. I am into you in every possible way. But Lampen's voice was more of
a contralto mezzo soprano. So like in the opera, all of the star leading lady roles were for soprano, saying you were meant to be sort of an ingenue type, is very naive and innocent and everything good about the world, and and that means you can shatter a champagne glass with your voice exactly. But yeah, she had Ramsey Voice Studios on YouTube Tube points to Nina Simone and Annie Lennox as some good examples of control. Trying to think of one. I couldn't, so I was like, that's helping me.
Could have taken a lesson from Annie Lennox. No more, I love you, if only she had been here to hear it in the night. So yeah, Loman had kind of a low toned, like strong voice, and it was not suited to these you know, fluttery angenew roles. So she played a lot of really strong female character parts like warriors and queens and goddesses, which sounds really cool.
I know I'd rather play those parts anyway, so I think. So. Her debut was playing palace Athene in an opera called Cadmus and Hermione, which is the opera that historian Peter Pearson says quote set the main direction of French operatic style for the following two hundred years. So she originated that part like the original French operas. Pretty cool, um, and she started to win fame under her stage name
La mo Pain. She originated the magician and Andri des mares de dan and saying like many other parts between sixteen nine and sixteen nine four. She also apparently had a successful side hustle as a professional duellist, according to Jim Burrows, so she could professionally beat the ass of somebody who didn't like for money. Not a bad job, um, And of course she's still a fool for love. She not only fell hard for La Rocheois, but with another star in the company named Fin Shawn Moreau, who was
another like soprano, leading lady type. And in fact, some stories claim that when La Moreau didn't return her affection, La mo Pain attempted suicide, and Encyclopedia dot Com thinks that that is kind of questionable. But I don't know everything we know about her. That kind of sounds like her to me. Or she'd be like if you don't love me, I'll kill myself morose like alright, girl, yeah tomorrow, you know what I mean. I don't see Julie Lamma Ben.
I don't see her actually doing it. She had she had a lust for life, you know, I think so too, But she might have she might have feigned it for drama. I could see. That's what I mean drama of like I couldn't live without you, Fanchan. If you don't, if you don't love me, I'll just throw myself into the nearest river. You know what she's like again, She's okay, alright, girl, I'll see tomorrow. You know. But look, the company didn't
warm up the Lamma Ben right away. I mean, anytime somebody comes in with something new into a theater circle, you know, he's like, I've got something special. People are paying attention to me. It's a recipe for social disaster and speculation station. I bet they were, like, she's only here because her boyfriend like got her hurt and like got she had a friend who got her an auditions. The only reason anyone likes there is because she's sucking
around so scandalous. Yeah, you know, she's selling tickets because she's so notorious here, you know, Like, I'm sure there's a lot of little, you know, shitty whispers, right, but all that changed with a fantastic encounter with one of the least liked members of the company. And that's a good way to get in with a crowd, is to just pick a fight with the guy nobody likes. Yes, you know, she had her eyes out, probably like no one likes him and my enemy all that stuff. Now.
He was a tenor with the company who started out as a line cook and ended up in the opera See You Can You can work your way up in this world not too bad opera, also reminding me of Tavernard, who left his father's catering business. A lot of people are just like, forget cooking. I know I'm French, but forget cooking. But this guy do Manil was an egotistical womanizer. He strutted around backstage all pumpous, with chest puffed out, and he would like proposition all the women in the company,
real growth style. And when he did get someone to go with him and hook up with somebody, he would take one of their ribbons or a string of pearls, or some item from them, some token as like a trophy of his conquest, a little notch on his belt. Well, one night, Domneil was pisting off Lama Pan because he was being lud and creepy with Laroche La Moreau and a bunch of the other ladies backstage, and then he tried that ship and Lama Pan and she was like, hell,
no excuse me, sir, I don't do that. I'm not going to put up with it. Have you seen what. I don't know if you heard my name in the papers, but I've done some ship and I'm not dealing with you. So she rebuffed him. He called her some vulgar name, something like cunt. Probably I would probably you know something in French. So obviously Lama Pan did her thing, and she's like, all right, we're gonna fight, throw down. He's gonna fight here. But the rest of the company like
held her back. She's like blew me at him, like they're like, um, so I love this opera, fie that. So she stepped back, but she told him, quote, it does not end here. Excep. She probably said it does not end in that beautiful contral tone. So after the show, she put on her gentleman's clothes and she ambushed do Manal, challenging him to a duel. He didn't recognize her in her men's clothes, and he actually cowered away and refused to fight. So she thrashed him with her cane and
stole his snuffbox and his watch. You know, she said, bend over and like like snacked his butt, like he was a calcil tran schoolboy or something. It's just like well. The next day she overheard do Manel with all his buddies and he was telling everyone the opera. Oh, and I was set upon by ruffians last night, three of them, and I thought bravely, but in the end they managed
to steal my snuff box and my watch. I know, but I am so strong and the brave I was able to hold my own and chase the ruffians away. You're welcome. They will not be bothering anyone else here. You may kiss my ring. Thank you very much. Well, Lama pen, here's this. She immediately stands up, throws the snuff box and the watch down at the ground at his feet, and according to rejected princesses, she said, quote, I alone have architected your ass beating. But that's probably
not the real quote. But I don't even care. I do not even care. Can I please have one day in my life right the words I have architected your ass beating. Tuck that away and save that for later, okay. And so after this little incident would Donal, after being the architect of his ass beating, everybody kind of started to respect her more She's like, no, she's cool, She's on my side. That's right, Gus. I'm sure they were. They would. They loved seeing him get some taste of
type situation. He never even hit on me, and I loved it, and they loved it happy as much as I did. But it seems like maybe loum Open got a little too cocky at this point. What Julie Encyclopedia dot com says that actually del Bet, if you remember, that's the guy she ran through the shoulder and then became lovers. And even though their affair had gotten cut off a little earlier than they would have maybe liked
because he got sent back to his regiment in Germany. Um, they would always take up with each other whenever they were in close proximity. Maybe oh you here, great, let come to feel like a booty call, but you know, with telegrams probably so yeah, Delbart came back to Paris in six and they passed a blissful few months together before he was called again, called back to military service. So at this point she has made me feeling a
little reckless. She wanted to send attention, so she did what you do, which is dressed up like a nobleman, and then she crashed a royal ball thrown by either King Louis the fourteen or his younger brother Philippe the First, the Duke of Orleans are better known as Miss Her. So she was not invited, but she's like, let me go up in there, and there was this beautiful young woman there. All these guys want to get with her.
So Lumbo pen is like, I know who I'm focusing on all night and monopolized this girl's attentions and kept dancing with her several times and like probably bringing a refreshment and goating on her and like keeping these dude, it's from getting it. Thank you, thank you so much. Well, people started to talk like they do because they could tell this was a woman in man's clothes, you know,
They're like, is that Lama pen from the opera? And then she scandalized the entire room by kissing this girl full on the mouth in the middle of the dance floor. Everyone could see. They're like, oh my god, the little French minds exploding. Now. Sources differ on whether or not this girl was into it. Some people were like she was, it was unwanted and she was really making and you know, fool of herself. But the three most ardent of this young woman's suitors were certainly not into it, and they
challenged Lama Pin to a duel. Dumb of course, she graciously accepted. They took it outside, and she handily beat all three of them. Of course she did no problem. Now, no one can say if she just defeated them kind of like del bear. She just sort of pinked him in the arm. She drew blood. She's like, I'm then, or if she killed all three of them, um, no one's quite sure what it means she got him, um,
but either way, the king is literally in attendance. So she goes back inside to the party, like wiping her just on, nonchalantly wiping her sword off. He's like, girl, duels are legal. Are you seriously dueling in my hat? Like in front of me? I can't just let you do that. So she had to flee Paris once again, pursued by the law, just like old time. God to see her running down the street with like a bunch
of guards. Chase snapped to her and she's like, oh and the girls and the girls on the steps, like she's like swooning. She's so dreaming. Wow, well, I guess it's a good time to take a little break, and when we come back we will find out what she did. Now that she's again in trouble with the King of France, We'll be right back. Welcome back to the show, everyone.
So Lama Pan went to Brussels, this time to wait out the scandal that she had created, and she got a job singing with the opera there, and she picked up a new man. This guy was the Elector of Bavaria. His name was Maximilian and Manuel. He was a German prince, and Encyclopedia dot com says the affair lasted many months, which was longer than either of their usual connections. But Lama Pan, I mean, you know, this girl is a lot, right. She was a very intense and dramatic lover, and Maximilian
apparently got a little tired of this. You know, I'm usually more of like a quick flint kind of guy, and you are like you need everything. He's like, put leave the theater on the stage, Okay, I don't want you to bring your work home. So he started seeing this ballet dancer on the side, and Mappen objected to this.
In the most mpen way possible, very dramatic and public because she was starring in Johann Wolfgang Frank's Aneas and she was originating the role of Dido, and she said, I just want to thank you for giving me the best days of my life. And and while she was playing out the scene of Dido's suicide in the show, she intentionally stabbed herself with a real dagger. Chaos. You know this, The audience is freaking out. Everybody's like, what
the hell this crazy actress really stabbed herself. That's a whole lot And this caused a big uproar, and Maximilian was super embarrassed. Everybody's turning to him, like, that's your girls to go out there stabbing her off on stage. Well, and like the gossip surely had gotten around and that's why, right they knew what she was doing was trying to get his attention exactly, just being so extra instead of going Max, that's you, is that you? That's your girl
up there? And he's like, oh, this is not a good look for an elector an elector, but he's like not having it. He's not feeling good about this. He's feeling very scandalized and embarrassed, so he goes back to his ballet dancer, but she was off portraying him with some other noblemen, and he's like, what, I'm the one cheating on someone here. You can't cheat on me. So he gets real mad about that, and he goes back to Lama Bet because he's like, well, it's got to
be one of YouTube crazy ladies. I guess, I guess. But it wasn't long before Max himself found some other little, quiet blonde that satisfied him, and he started hooking up with her. And this girl ended up pregnant with Maximilian's son, so to reward her, Max married her off to Count Darko and lived in a manage with the two of them. What a reward. Yeah, oh you're pregnant with my song. Congratulations. Now you're in ale with me and some other guy.
Well least she's I guess she's nobly married and that might not have happened for her. That's true. I also love that they're like, oh he found a quiet, gentle blonde girl, Like, I'm so sick of these actresses are so dramatic and fiery. Somebody, somebody submissive, find me somebody. So, oh my god, I will say I get it. Hey wait a minute, Hey, that remark dated lots of actresses. Well, of the people I've dated, lots of them were actresses.
I should say that of the number many of them, a large percentage of them were performers in some way. Isn't it fun how math works can make it sound anything? Yeah? So, all right, maximilians living in this throttle with his pregnant girl friend and her husband, and it's time to break up with Lama Pans for good. So Max sent Count Darko, his girlfriend's husband, around to Lamo Pen's place to break the news to her. He's like, I'm not gonna break
up with you. I'll get my girlfriend's husband to do it. Classic. Classic, he's a phrase. You draw her sword on him. No one can break up with Lama Pan. So Count Darko shows up at Lama Pen's place with a forty thou livre payment for the good times. Yeah, here's here's your money, and we'll never see you again by But Lama Pen was very insulted by this because it's highly insulting. Um, so she threw that bag of money back at him.
Some say at his face. Some say at his feet, or my favorite right to the balls, right to which is the one? I think? Right? You could take these jewels and take them right back in the family jewels. And then it said that she spat that it was a present worthy of a cuckold such as himself. Damn, he's like, but I married her, she's already cuckolding. No one calls him like I see. It's the political situation.
This is a work event. But all in all it was over for good between Maximilian and lapump Hat, and she eventually accepted that as well as two thousand livres. Her attentions like take that, I don't need just sticking money. Just give me a little bit of that money, though, I gotta make my way out of And then she decided, you know what, I gotta get the hell out of Brussels. She backed her ship and she took off for somewhere
else and her next adventure. In Many accounts say that at this point she went to Spain and did try her usual thing to get a job at the opera, but she didn't know any of the traditional Spanish songs or dances like flamenco dance, you know the stuff they wanted to see. So can't wing a flamenco dance? No, you cannot. I've lost many of flamenco dancing contest. Why you keep entering is the real question. So yeah, she couldn't get a job at the opera like she was
used to doing. Um, So she ended up working as a maid for a woman called Countess Marino. And Marino may have been a demanding and shrewish boss, you know, one of those ladies who's constantly screaming and dissatisfied and throwing it at you. Or maybe Lamo Panjos didn't like
taking orders. I could see either of these being real. Um. But at some point Lama Pan had enough money saved up to get back to France, and she decided, on her last day, you know, she would play a little prank on the Countess Marino was heading to a grand ball.
She wanted to look her best. This is a time of very very extravagant fashion, sure, of course, so she probably spent hours getting into dress and all this stuff, and Lama Pen dressed her hair really elaborately beautiful, but instead of pinning the usual flowers or birds or something cool, feathers or whatever in her hair. She pinned a bunch of radishes to the back of her ear. Marino couldn't see them, of course, because they're in the back of her head. So she trips off to her party feeling
herself good. And then she's a little mad because she's walking around and everyone just keeps giggling at her head. And what it's like, you're walking around with like kick me sign on your back, sign on your back is so funny. So she finally asked somebody and they're like, well, girl, you got a root vegetable, so we all have at you, and she was like super piste off. She went home in a towering rage, probably ready to just fire or beat up lama pan thrower down the stairs, but of
course the lama pin was long gone. She had left the instant Countess Marino had left for her party. She hit the road for France. So Marina just had to be like Julie to this guy. She's running down the street once again. Is real bugs Bunny, isn't she? She is a big smooch And then I'm out of here in a cloud of smoke. Oh my god. And bugs Bunny also frequently a cross dressing off her fingers Bugs Bunny, you heard it here first, Bugs Bunny is based on
lama Pan. Julie Darby will not be taking any questions at this time. That Encyclopedia dot Com says there's not a lot of evidence to back up the story that lama Pan went to Spain at all or did any of this, but it really seems like something she would do, and it's serious. I got evidence. It's called the whole rest of her life. You know. My character witnesses came
forth and said, yeah, that sounds like her totally. So my pen did return to Paris after Philip the First, the Duke of Orleans, helped arrange second pardon from King Louis for dueling at his party. Now, how many of
us need to part from the king now? Some people think that Philippe the First was extra sympathetic to lama Pan because he also had same sex desires, because his second wife, Elizabeth, wrote that his boyfriend, the Chevalier de Lorraine, was quote the great love of Monsieur's life and the worst enemy of his two wives. We're gonna have to do them sometimes, for sure. I have an interesting story.
But King Louis the fourteen basically said, you know, I was looking at the law that I wrote that said no dueling allowed, and you know it's the end of the day. It says no men shall duel in my courts, no man shall do it in my kingdom. Attention Monsieur's dueling is not allowed. But technically it doesn't say anything about women dueling. So you know what, Lama, I'm gonna let this. You come on home, you Chris Rascal. I love what you do. It's so funny, munching garret saying
what's up? Duc all. I could think of that ring race scene in Lord of the Rings when he's like, no man could kill me, and she's like, I am no man. That's Lama fell I I could do it. I was no man can duel here, I am no maday. So she gets on fire, so she gets her pardon, she gets to come back and return to the Paris Opera. Now, that same year, the previous diva Laroche retired to a quiet life of teaching, and Lama Pants stepped in and took over as the diva of the opera. Very excited.
This marked the peak of her celebrity, and she sang celebrated roles including Minerva Media, Dido Clarinda, and on one occasion she even stepped in at the last minute to replace the lead in a role so challenging. Lau Rochois herself said she wouldn't have attempted it, but l A Public Library writes, quote she received high praise for performance. That's that good memory, you know, when you're able to step in last minute, because you just have that memory
that can like I could do it. Yeah. And in seventeen o two, an opera was even written specifically for Lamo Band's unique voice. It was called tank Clad, which is believed to be the first French opera where the principal part was not a soprano. The historian Kelly Gardner wrote that she quote introduced the Italian idea of a contralto voice to France, although l A Public Library says that's kind of in dispute, so hard to say. It's always hard with art. Art, fads and fins like to
know where they really started. And I mean that sort of thing can be really it's kind of a funny line. There's not usually a clear like this is where it started, right, you know, somebody's always gonna be like I was already doing that Hello, excuse you, but come over here in an independent theater opera company second contralto for years before
showed up. Give me the respect I deserve now. A website called Interlude writes that the plot of tank cread quote depicts the tragic love of the Christian night ten cread for the Saracen warrior Princess Clorinde. In a drama of misunderstandings and impossible love. He ends up killing her in single combat when she fights him disguised in the
armor of another man. It's art imitating life, don't you think seriously they wrote this opera for her voice, But it also sounds like they were like, what's something that could happen to this big Yeah, she would dress like a man, fight her lover and be killed, or more accurately, in her case, she would her you know different now. When the Marquis de d'Anjou, Philippe de Corsion, a famous diarist of the day, saw her sing around this time, he wrote that she had quote, the most beautiful voice
in the world is famous. She's killing yeah, but she still had a fiery temper, of course, as we know, and in sevent hundred, she ended up in trouble with the love once again. This time though, is because she got into a fight with her landlord, who can't relate be careful. So yeah, one night she demanded dinner. She's like, let me get some of that food you're cooking. He says, sorry, dinner is not included in your lease. And she got so pissed that she grabbed the roast off the spit
and started throwing chunks of it. At this time chased a out of the kitchen. She also slapped his cook around, which doesn't seem fair. She's just cooking. I don't think that's fair. Some accounts stay she even had a lady lover or quote unquote sister with her that also helped her beat some mass this time in this kitchen. She caused the whole riot in this kitchen, and the cops
were called. Lama Pen had to go to court. Um. But of course she had all these powerful noble friends, so she was able to wig with a lot of that trouble was everybody just thought it was hilarious. I'm sure landlords, am I right? Just give her the mutton, you know amongst us hasn't wanted to throw some meat at our landlords. Honestly, all the nobles, probably you would have been like, well, I'm a landlord, meet at me.
Better stay on their good side. Another time, Lama pen overheard a baron bragging to all his friends about his conquest of this young dancer in the opera company, in the pair sopper company. And this young dancer had an unsullied reputation. Salama pants like he is tarnishing the name of a good young woman, you know, a righteous young woman. Her.
So she didn't like that ship, and she dressed up like a man and challenged him to a duel her usual m O. I wonder sometimes I wonder if she's standing there in her regular dress and this guy's like acting like a jerk, and she's like, oh, give me one second, I'll be right back, and she like runs into a phone booth, like puts her men's clothes on real quick. It was like, hello, sir, I challenged, aren't
you the lady who was just just happened? Or like it's a Mrs doubtfire situation where she's at the wrong table, in the wrong outfit, like she actually goes on stage. Is Clorinda but in her men's clothes, got cake all over her face like a racehorse or whatever. Whatever he says, that is not the line anyone pulls from Mrs Doutfire. I knew exactly what it was. I always think of that because she's he's got that nice old lady had already sounded so gross, so much nastier than usual anyway,
So she's dressed like a man. She's like, let's take this outside. And the baron prided himself on his swordsmanship, so he's like, bet, let's do this, and ran him through the shoulder like she do. And then she revealed herself to be a woman, and he was so embarrassed that he left Paris all together and went back to his hometown. Wow, he had to leave town. When your sexism is out of control, Like, I'm throwing my life away because oh woman beat me like a notorious fighting
woman who beats everyone. Like you're in good company, dude, chill out. Del Beart was like, let me get let me get laidy. You need to leave down. She's hot. This is great. And then in seventeen o one, Lama him apparently remembered that she was married. Did we remember
that she married. Back when she married that tax collector, Like as a teenager, right, do you think she looked at her hands, She's like, oh yeah, that's not just there for So at this point, apparently Spet returned to Paris from the provinces and they apparently lived in the complete together for several years until his death. Whoa weird. She just like wrote him like, hey, you remember me, I'm your right. She's like, I'm going to turn the
volume down for a couple of years. Do you want to come chill out with me and we'll get a cat, We'll just kind of sit for a second. Yeah, I mean. Jim Burrows, who's another historian who's researched her life a lot, says this was well timed because she probably was looking for a little respectability after all of these different giant scandals that she had created. She's sitting in her chair covered in blood. The police come in, They're like, there's Lama pain here. She's like, oh me, I'm just a
simple housewife. I have been here knitting all day long. A yeah, But if you're worried that Sermo pens return on the singing means that Lama opens wild times are over never fear. Encyclopedia dot Com writes, quote everything suggests his return was conditioned upon his ignoring her sexual escapade. She's straight up like, I have a proposition for you. Please provide me the cover that you were meant to provide my bosses originally, while I continue to do whatever
the book I want. Well, we are going to hear all about that right after this commercial break. Welcome back to the show. Okay, So Sermo Pan comes home and Lama Pan is like, great, uh, let's live together as husband and wife. But here's the deal. You gotta let me go out and mess around with whoever I want. That's just the deal. Take it or leave it. And he's just this like meek little dude. He's like, okay, whatever you like, pretty lady. He's like, I'm a text collector.
It is all I know to do. That's my anti tax round. There you go solved. The world's probably did so. For example, Lamba Band started having a little fling with the Chevalier de Bouleon, who was a very a man who was very concentrated into a little cube. When you put him in hot water, his full flavor was released. But this guy was also bisexual. He was sleeping with Mopan's old lover and current colleague tvn Art remember the
guy from who got her the audition at the opera house. Well, you know how theater people can be, and I could say this, I'm a theater person, exhausting. Tavin Ard was not happy about this little triangle of his his lovers sleeping with his ex lover, and the two of them
started having confrontations. During one fight, tavin Ard insulted Mopan in front of the entire company, which was stupid historically because since Mopan, of course immediately demanded that they duel, and Tavenard could barely hold a sword straight out in front of him, so this was just over before it started. For weeks, they would appear opposite one another on stage.
Sometimes they even had to play lovers, and they didn't have many incidents, although on one occasion, love a pen bit Thenard's ear so hard that she drew blood, right like an eighteenth century Mike Tyson. They're they're playing lovers. I imagine she's like, oh, let me kiss you are He's like, egxit stage right, it's not your on to exit now offstage. My pen would wait to duel him outside the theater to answer for his insult, but tavin Ard was cowering in his dressing room the whole time.
You think he wait, how long did they wait? He hang up for an hour ten minutes. I'm just like, how long did I just did in his dressing rom after every single show and just wave her leave? We had like a little a little spy come up. Okay, she called just clear. Jim Burrows writes that she quote only desisted when all Paris took to humming satirical songs about the Amazon Made and the King of the Cravens. Then yeah, She's like, okay, I got what I need.
Everybody's calling you the King of the Cravens. Now. After nearly a month, Tavinard sent her a gracious letter, which was addressed to Julie, which is why anyone thinks that that's her real name. And he's like, girl, look you know I have a great voice, Like where it's you and me. We run this opera house together. If you stabbed me, which you will, how's that going to sound? Right? I think what's going to happen to my voice? Just
a pretty funny letter. He's just like you're I know you're better with the sword, but you know I'm a better singer. You put a bunch of holes in my lungs. What what? I'm even crazy? We can't have that. You wouldn't smash a stained glass window, would you? Would you? So she said, look, as long as you apologize in front of all the same people who heard your insult in the first place, then everything's gonna be fine between us, and tavin Ard was like, yep, absolutely, I'm ready to
do that right now. Call everybody in here. I'm so so, so, so so so sorry. What was I thinking? Clearly I was not, But I like that say it feels like a gentleman's bargain to just be like, I don't know that. My only satisfaction is that you everyone who heard the original thing, you tell him you were wrong. That's all you need. I don't need to fight, you know, just embarrass yourself a little bit. The damage. Everyone knows you were afraid to fight me, and that's the main thing.
And then doll Bear, our constant lover she stabbed and then fell in love with h exactly Well, he was back in Paris at this time, so they're hooking up regularly. Again, you're in town, I'm in town exactly. She's probably happy
about that, feeling good. But Dalbart was also seeing the Duchess of Luxembourg, and this seemed to be like kind of a hot and heavy affair because in seventeen hundred, doll Beart fought a duel with one of the Duchess's past flames, and he got in trouble for it, surprisingly and got imprisoned for two years. He spent two years in jail, but when he got out in seventeen o two, he got back, you know, immediately got back together with Lama Pa and also the Duchess of Luxembourg. This guy's
got a lot of time on his hands. Again, see these two ladies. And my Pa didn't want to play second fiddle to anyone, and we know she's dramatic, so she decided to take matters into her own hands. One Sunday, the Duchess was attending church at sound Roche, piously singing her hymns and reciting her prayers and all that good stuff, when she suddenly heard a voice in her ear, and it was La right behind her, telling her if she didn't break things off with del Bear mopound would blow
the Duchess's brains out with our pistol. I mean, that's less fun her previous. I know. I wish you'd like I'll run you through like even I'll come up with some elaborate prank to humiliate here. That's more my speed. I'm going to shoot you with its Damn girl, talk about dramatic. She's running out of ideas. Maybe she's like, I've done the story thing too many, the radish thing that's really at the top of my game. I don't think I could outdo that. I know, right, but it
was in Spain. You can do that again. If you don't break it off with del Bear, I will tie so many radishes to your head you would look like moron. Well. That, of course caused a whole storm of gossip and scandalous talkings and whisperings and goings on, but it didn't work.
The threat did not work. Delbet and the Duchess continued their affair until Delbet left to fight for Bavaria, and then he did return to Paris eventually, but by that time he had fallen in love with a totally different woman, and he had also had a marriage arranged for him by the Elector of Bavaria to like some noblewoman. So he's a little busy, I guess, with his love affair and his new wife and anything. So he and Lama Pen did not at that point resume their on again,
off again love affair. But that was all right because she had a new love, of course. And this time, let's see was it man or woman? Man or woman? Everyone's favorite game show was Lama being a man or a woman. This time it was Madame La Marquise de floren Zac. There's the gender revealed party for that new lover she was. This woman was not only wealthy and well connected and very a very sweet woman, quite lovely, but according to the memoirs of a politician named San Simon,
she was quote the most beautiful woman in France. Okay, she pulls so to floren Zac. Much like Lama Pan loved love. She likes to get some. She liked to have fun. She liked to enjoy her time with other people. She was famously per myscuous. She had even been exiled to a convent in Brussels for a while for either showing too much affection for or maybe even actually having an affair with the king's son and heir. That'll that'll get convent, Yeah, Louise, like he's like, you know, it
was funny, but this is the one for you. But in sEH three, de floren Zac was back in Paris. She was having a grand old time going to parties in the theater and of course the opera, and that's where she first heard Lama Pan sing. Every source is kind of surprised that there isn't a single mention of this affair in letters or gossip rags or body songs. Nothing, no talk about this. Sources even called it quote astonishingly discreet.
That is a surprise, since, I mean, everyone knew about Havenard powering in his dressing room, but they're not making jokes about floren Zac and Lama. But in a book called Menuscrit Perfect, it says Mopan was quote honored with her friendship and her protection. I'm sorry, m yeah, protection is usually the way they talked about a man in his mistress, right, you know, she was under his protection. So that is sounds like it reminds me of sor Juana de la Cruz and her her lover, that woman
who was a vice reign from Spain. And they had a little secret thing going on, and that's what kept her safe and out a legal trouble for a long time. Biographer Gabrielle Lettre then wrote in nineteen o four, quote, for two years they dwelt in such affection they believed to be perfect, ethereal, and beyond reach of the contamination of men. The young women isolated themselves, enamored, only appearing
in public at occasions where their presence was essential. So basically they spent all day every day doing it in a quiet house somewhere with nobody bothered. We loved it. What a life like. This is a real you haul lesbian situation where they were like, let's move in together. We are on. This is just it's just about me and you. Girl. God, I imagine the floren Zac at the opera the for time she's that Lama Pen comes out and stage and starts singing, and it's just a
vignette forms around her. Everything else in the room turns to black and silent, and it's just like this, this is it my girl right there, and she's the most beautiful woman in France. So Lama Pen is like yes, I'm in Yes, She's like I clocked you a meeting, ma'am. So yeah, two years too is kind of a long time for Lama Pin besides Delbert, who was kind of like off and on, so she couldn't get tired of it. Two steady years in the same home years, that's pretty good.
But tragically, in seventeen o five, Madame de Florence Sac was stricken with a sudden fever and only two days later she passed away. The town tier Freuden wrote, quote, the pain of la mo pen was boundless, which in French means the bread was bound bread of Sorry, I marveled a sentimental moment by undercutting you did do it in here I wish. So yeah, she was like getting ready. She had just opened a new opera and everything, but she was so upset that she went straight to the
Paris Opera and retired. And most accounts say that she decided to turn to religion at this point. I was just tat ironic considering how we started the story with a convent on fire. Um. Some say she entered a convent herself. Others say she you know, contemplated doing it, but she could never really bring herself to do it. She walked into a convent, and she was like, I'm going to funk all these nuns. I can't. I shouldn't. I really shouldn't. This is bad for me and you.
And it's kind of hard to know because her after she passed away, her life was really used as a morality tale. There's a lot of things written, you know, in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries that are very pearl lutchy, like she decided to set her steps towards God and renounced all her evils and this is a this is what happens when you know, you turn your mind to satanic things, and you know. So it's a little hard to tell if she actually did any of that religious
stuff at all. But whatever happened, Lamo pen disappeared from the public eye and she lived quietly, either in a cloister somewhere or in a quiet Paris suburb, and died only two years later in seventeen o seven, at either thirty three or thirty seven years old, either way, very young. Oh my God, packed so much into her life much and likely her body was just thrown onto a rubbish heap like some common peasant. What they didn't know what
they had, So she has no grave to visit. She has nowhere to check her out, but her legacy lives on. You know, everyone loves to talk about Lamo pen and Julie Daubigny. I think she comes up on the internet every few months, like why have I not heard about this? Amazing and as she herself once wrote, quote, I am made for perils as well as for tenderness, and I think she got a lot of both. So that's a
life well lived in my opinion. I'm like, they might have done, you know, not done her body a disservice after her death, but it's like whatever she got it in, she got your time and used that body up used. I'm done with that, put it away with I don't care what a life I mean. I mean again, I'm thirty eight. I haven't done half the ship. You haven't set a single convent on fire, you know, and that's always been on my bucket list. You have never run
away with a lesbian lover. I have not. I've only been to some of the places in France she's been to. Never been in Madrid and dressed to countess his hair with radishes. So many things left to do there? You go, well, next summer so, yeah, I love Lama. What do you think of her? God, she's fascinating, I mean, dressing. Part of me wonders if I knew her in real life, if I wouldn't just think she was in suffer. Oh my god, because in so many ways she's just like,
oh my god, I get it right, so tough and different. Um, but oh my god, I want to live her life. You know. Maybe it's just jealousy talking because she's so she's so cool. Yeah, I think I would have liked to be her friend, but I think to be loved by her would be very, very hard. Yeah, I think it'd be all right, though you're gonna try it, Like I would give it a world scared look. You just gotta know not to get attached. Well you know, yeah,
I guess. So I'm not for all that, like i'd kill myself and stuff like, I just feel like I can't. I don't have the energy for that. Um. But I would love to be her friend. And how great to be in the opera company when she's there and you're like this guy won't stop groping me, and she's like, sure, let me go. I just want to talk. I don't want to just talk. I want to stab. Yeah, I just want to stab. Get in here, just a little poke. It's gonna be over real quick. Don't worry, quick, don't
even bother frighting back. Everybody just walks up to her and they just exposed their shoulders like, okay, they get fast. Please sanitize the blade. Check on me at the surgeon's office tomorrow. Now. I'm so glad to learn this story and about this person. Thank you Andrea again, thank you. And I'm so glad we got to dive into because I've heard the convent part but not much of the other part of her life, and there was so much left to talk about after that, so it was cool
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