Seymour Sees Less of Her Lousy Husband: Sir Richard and Lady Worsley Pt. 2

gonna be bad. And I'm going to say one of those two things about it and life will go on. It'd be pretty funny if it came out and you were like, yeah, I don't feel one way or the other about it. This has landed on its side weirdly. I can't say if it's good or bad. I am in limbo on the Super Mario Brothers movie. Sometimes that happens. I'm not in limbo. If we've discussed it before, on

the original Super Mario Brothers movie, it's excellent. I think we have I feel like that I've already gotten the hate mail about this, but it's just, you know, it was ahead of its time. But yes, I thought it was pretty fun. I remember we watched it during Quarantine right right locked in and uh yeah, you were like, this is a bad movie, but what the fun else are we doing? And we had to find it on YouTube in ten minute increments, so weird. But I think

it's like actually streaming somewhere now. I don't know that it is, but you can buy the DVD on Amazon. I mean I was fully ready to hate it, like we kept putting on the YouTube, next video whatever, be like this actually like pretty fun. Its good. It's just creative, and I respect that. I think so, especially after many years of what I'll call a dearth of creativity. Yes, extremely true. And speaking as a Marvel fan too, I know a lot of people chalk it up to Marvel movies.

There's not a lot of creativity. I like Marvel movies, and I still also feel there is a creativity. I love the whole Marvel cinematic universe. And I also feel like everybody else is clinging a little too hard to trying to do the same thing or something similar, and they're doing it at best worse than that Marvel's doing it. Anyway, We've never open to show with a conversation that related less to the subject that we're talking about today. Then I just did. At least we had James Bond in

part one and we got England thing. This is just fully American conversation. We do talk about Italy later, Hey we do. And there's a couple of Americans in this story. But yeah, at least plancing referee just to that right, and some of these people have a dearth of quality. True, so maybe we can relate it. Yeah, that's close any bridge. But you know what's going to get us there, gonna cross it. You know, we're gonna do the episode. It's

either gonna be good or it's gonna be bad. I will say one of those things, will say one of those things at the end of the year. No, Yeah, we're here today to get to the second part of the Worse Lays story. Are Lady Seymour, Richard georget Ah. These three love having you. Thank you so much for tuning in for part two. Yes, yes, I hope you enjoyed part one. If you haven't heard part one, what the hell are you doing here, go back and listen,

should probably start there. Could be very confused. I think that it's important. I'd be like watching the new Chris Pratt Super Mario Brothers movie without seeing the original version. I assume it's a direct that's not true. Alright, So, but last time we talked about Sir Richard and Lady Seymour Worsley's troubled marriage, his kicking tendencies and handalism kicking of course just speaking he was he was a lawyer, yeah, but candleism is about showing off your partner to other

people for your own sexual pleasure. Um. And also the explosive criminal conversation trial that he brought against Seymour's lover, George Bissett that ended up with Richard being awarded only a single chilling damages. Very condescending decision. But Seymour's reputation as a respectable lady was in a trash. So let's find out what happened next. We got to find out the fallout of the revelations from the trial, and Richard's got a new direction in life and Seymour's got new

friends and lovers. Will even make it to the reign of terror? And friends. Such a good die, so much more to cover. Let's check it out, Let's do it pay their French Come listen, Well, Elia and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no matchmaking, a romantic tips, It's just about ridiculous relationships, a lover, it might be any type of person at all, and abstract cons a d a concrete wall. But if there's a story, were the Second Glance Show Ridiculous role vance a production of

I Heart Radio. So the Worsley's high profile crim con trial was the meatiest meet that any pamphleteer or paper writer journalists could ever wish for. So all the satirists and wits and lampoonists took this incident straight to the bank. Oh yeah, this is my paying my rent for the year. Yeah, thanks Dick Tardy, Thanks Dick Tardy. Now, Sir Richard, as we said the man of a million nicknames at school, he was Dick Tardy. As Privy counselor to the King,

he was finical whimsy. But now he was being dubbed the twelve penny cuckle out and cartoons appeared showing him supporting George on his shoulders to peer through a bathhouse window at Seymour, and usually there would be like a drooping sword depicted at crotch level, so that you only got the message it his dick don't work. Party to this party. One of these cartoons was captioned Sir Richard worse than Sly exposing his wife's bottom. Oh, fie, worse

than Sly is good too, Yeah, cutting words. He was like a brilliant satirist to the quick. We don't need that in poetry corner, so I forget it was too short. Uh. Sir Richard was often displayed with the horns of a cuckold as well, which I didn't really understand. That turns out it's a reference to the mating habits of stags. A male stag will forfeit its mate if it's defeated by another male stag. That's why it's the horns of a cuckold. Okay, I guess, Okay, you're just you're the

weak stag in this. Yeah, you had to give up your the rights to your lady. Yeah, I guess to another man. Tailor's oldest time I had, I had, I had to horn but a guy in the grocery store the other day, Why because he was trying to He was trying to take you me. Yeah, if he had that, if he had horned me too hard, I would have you would be in a different house right now. I'd be like, guys, are you host the show the Laws

of Nature? You can't deny him? How how perfectly ironic if he had joined me for this episode, he never would have fit in the booth with them horns though, I tell you, I like we actually brought Eli in as a third so he could really speak from the couples experience. No, I just have to sit in the corner and watch you guys recording an episode together. I hope you like it over there good, just sadly crying and masturbating. Wow, isn't that the dream? I don't understand it.

I don't know. I mean, I guess you don't have to cry, but maybe it adds to it. Cooks out there. Send us an email, let us know how it goes for you. God. Also, a pamphlet with all of the juicy details from the trial was published. It was sold for the ironic price of one shilling and I mean perfect nod, and it was so incredibly popular that it had to be reprinted eight Times. George Washington even ordered a copy in odd that's hilarious, George, just like yeah,

just like, see what those Brits are up to. Now, Boy, we got out at the right time. Send me along with your finest hair powder. Good account of what the hell's going on over there now. Once this bath house incident got out of Richard hoisting up George to watch lady Seymour get dressed, more stories were reported to. At some point, Worsley apparently initiated a wife swap with a friend in seventeen seventies six, worsely through a hunting party and brought his guests to a glass door where they

could watch ladies Seymour undressed. And it's unclear if she knew this was happening or not. Um a bit different from the bath house incident when a Seymour knew that George was watching and be she was getting dressed, not undressed, very true, and it was already a lover of her like her naked, Like there's at least some implied consent. But like if you're just like, hey, boys, come along watch my wife. What an entertainment I've got for you today?

I'm gonna say speculation station. I hate to give credit to Richard for anything, but uh, I feel like unless his timing was like so perfect that he knew exactly when she was going to be getting dressed undressed, that

they probably must have arranged this. I mean, it's hard hard to say, because they had their lives pretty well I guess that's true, structured around when to what to wear when, so you would have certain times where everyone went up to dress for dinner or something, so you would know at least at some point in this next half hour, she's going to be naked, I was gonna say. And it took so long for them to get undressed. He's like, we've got between one and three pm to

get a window. We've got time for a quick sherry before I show you my wife. Do you think they're all sitting there watching her get undressed and they're like, oh, she's starting the corset. There's one loop, there's two loops, there's three loops, and like fifteen minutes later, they're like sixteen loops seventy. I tell you, old boy, the anticipations killing me. It's really killed old Badgerom over there, he's sound asleep. We'll shake him. At the finale, we're about

to see a Bristol boy. Wake up, good looking out old friend, wake me up for the boobs. I think a lot of people approached the theater that way. I don't care about the story. I mean, there's not HBO's whole model. Now another time, Sir Richard bet old Lord Chumley, who at this point was already having an affair with Seymour.

If you remember the electric Eel poem from the last episode about Lord Chumley's big swing and one alone um, Sir Richard bet Lord Chumley that Seymour was quote the finest proportioned woman in Europe, and he invited Lord Chumley to spy on her to prove it. Seymour knew that he was coming, and she had been instructed to undress and also wash and then dress herself slowly while Richard and this guy you know watched her from behind a

sham door disguised as a bookcase. They did watch her get dressed, and Lord Chumley was able to see her from pretty much every angle. And Sir Richard won that bet. He had to pay up. Hell, you're right, Richard, she is the finest proportioned woman in Europe. I've seen them all. I don't know if you heard about my enormous dick,

so yeah, I mean she knew about that one. She knew about so I'm like, but I also wonder if she didn't like that very much like she did she was like, please get me the hell away from this guy. So you know, if she if she was like, all, entertain your weird thing, I don't think she loved it. It's himself. Yeah, it's an arrow where just because a woman quote unquote agreed to do what her husband had said doesn't mean she wanted to do it exactly very well.

He might have won that bet, but Richard wasn't feeling like a winner these days. He's a laughing stock in the press. I mean, all these drooping swords, horns and everything. He's like, everyone's laughing at me. But on top of that, his career was on really shaky ground. The same day that Seymour and George found out that Sir Richard was going to pursue a crim con suit against George and sue Seymour for separation was the same day that England

learned that General Cornwallace had surrendered to George Washington at Yorktown. Now, Richard had worked really hard to become important to the Tory Party and the Prime Minister, Lord North, but now the expense of an unpopular war with the colonies looked unwinnable. Now. North had tried to resign after the Yorktown defeat, but King George refused to accept it. So then the Whig Party put forward a vote of no confidence to try to force him out, and North really needed all his

party members to show their support. But Richard didn't show up for the vote, and so North slide, where's my boy, Richard? And whoever he asked it was the unfortunate soul who had to remind him, like, well, the guy just kind of had a super embarrassing adultery trial. He's currently in hiding somewhere, and show his face right now. North replied, quote, Oh,

if all my cuckold dessert, I shall be beaten. Indeed, I got a corn full of cuckolds here, so many Dick Toddy's and the Tory I can't even tell you who they are. It's like the Senate, like if we got rid of all the adults, have to Now North managed to cling to power even without Richard's support. He won by a single vote, though, so it was very close, but not for long. As you might have noticed. By

March two, North's administration was over. Sir Richard was no longer Privy Counselor for the King, and he had also resigned his position as governor for the Isle of Wight, So all his years of work building a political career was wiped away in a matter of months. Damn, it must have been quite a blow. Yeah, he was no longer the Privy counselor for the King. It was probably the Privy washer. What I'm saying. I been waiting to make a privy joke since part one, I know, right?

And how weird that the accountants called a privy counselor? Is it because the King does his books while he's

taken a ship? Follow me to the privy and let's no. Sir Richard of course still furious with Seymour, and their suit for separations still going forward, but the courts had decided to award Seymour not only the pen money that she was legally entitled to, but an additional six hundred pounds in alimony every year, which is going to calculate to a hundred and twelve thousand, five hundred and fifty four pounds Today, it's like over a hundred thousand bucks US.

That's a lot of money. Alimony was unusual at the time, but the courts thought that he needed to pay for his part in destroying their marriage. Richard didn't want to give Seymour a single dime, and he was still holding on to all of her clothes and her jewelry and all her personal belongings and everything. So he appealed the alimony. But you know, we spent some time with Seymour, we know what she's like. She took her revenge as well.

Richard wouldn't divorce her like she wanted, simple, clean, easy piece. Let's just divorce and get the hell lot of each other's lives. But he was being a rell dicked hardy about it. So that meant that she had to keep his name. But that also meant that whatever scandalous ship she got into would reflect poorly on him. That better

party really hard exactly. Seymour strutted all right back into high society with George Bassett on her arm, not a bit of repentance for her behavior, and she just started pulling all these outrageous pranks. She would get wasted in public. Oh no, what is lady Seymour doing? Ladies seymore worse, in case you forgot her husband ought to be ashamed of himself wherever he is. Uh. She would throw all

these huge parties. One night she went to the theater with George and she threw this white cloak over their box and proclaimed her innocence to the world. Look at my purity. Yeah, She's like, I don't deserve all this mess. We all know the true villain is. So she just kept her in Richard's name and story alive in the papers,

which was the last thing that old Richard ever wanted. Now, Seymour's reputation had been terribly damaged by this trial, just as she became estranged from her family, Most of the respectable society ladies who she would have spent her time with now refused to be associated with her in biter to their parties and receive her in their drawing rooms

or any of that stuff. But there was a whole subset of high society that included ostracized women like Seymour who had tried to leave their husbands either because they were shitty, or they just weren't suited for each other, they fell in love with someone else and they were now living on the fringes of society as a result. And these women went out of their way to be

friends Seymour. This is amazing to me. This sounds like like of her twist, like Oliver and Company or something where it's like, you've got this group of badass ladies, or like spend time with us, we just get drunk and fuck amazing. I would I would opt to join these ladies over the right now. One of her closest new friends was Lady Henrietta Grosvenor, whose husband had actually caught her in bed with the brother of the king.

It was the Duke of Cumberland, and he brought a crim con suit against the Duke, the brother of the king. I was like, guy's got a ballsy and my opinion, but he brought a suit and he won ten tho pounds. But Henrietta, much like Seymour, was not going to let her husband walk around like he had this injured saint

act or some show. She took herself to every brothel she could think of to collect witnesses and evidence to her husband's many infidelities to share with the court, and it prevented him from getting an annulment of their marriage, so he had to continue paying her a yearly allowance

to support herself. Did Henrietta Now? Another one of Seymour's new circle of friends was Caroline Stanhope, and she was the second Countess of Harrington, which is not to be confused with Seymour's perfect sister Jane, who was also the Countess of Harrington. Lady confusing, right, right, Caroline Stanhope was actually Jane's mother in law, so she would have been the mother of the man that Jane married, who she almost didn't get to marry because of Lady Seymour's antics

in part one. That's right when she threw those breaches out the windows Grade Hall. He was like, I don't know, your family is a bit wild. Wow, Well they had a wild one your mother. That was probably the exact conversation was just like, Jane, I'd really like to talk to you about your sister Seymour. She is kind of a little much and she's like, I'm so sorry. Is

this your mom? Caroline Stanhope right, like you so read, I'm about to leave for real, because, like Caroline stand Hope was notorious, but she was still widely accepted in society because she was the daughter of a duke and her husband was an earl, and they were still married. In fact, they had seven children together, so they were getting it on unlike Richard. And but she was also someone who like thumbed her nose at convention and lived

out loud. According to Hallie Reuben Holtz biography, the Lady in read Caroline Stanhope used her home as an unofficial gaming house quote even on Sundays, outrageous, and she was known to make introductions between aristocrats and genteel prostitutes. And of course she took lovers of her own. She was in fact bisexual, and she even suffered from serious depression when one of her lover, Elizabeth Ashe, ran off with some diplomat. In society pages, she was portrayed as an

insatiable nymphamaniac. She was called the stable Yard Messalina, and a publication called Town and Country wrote that she had so many lovers quote from a monarch down to a hairdresser and every member of the diplomatic body, that their names alone would fill an entire page. Rumor had it that she even slept with her servants. Now that's real low,

I mean in there right, right. But of course, oh, we know from the last episode that Seymour was rumored to have anywhere from eleven to sixty lovers of her own, and she maybe had like five in actuality, so you can take it with a grain of salt. These rumors were definitely highly exaggerated. Again, what did these people have to talk about exactly? And I think so bored. I think Caroline too kind of liked it. So she was

just like it whatever you want. So she's like, I don't care, because again, if you had enough money and you were titled enough, nobody could really touch you. So it was like, say what you want to say, give a right. And she's part of this band of sex thieves, like they probably say, made them thieves. I'm still in the Oliver Twist world where they're just like living underground in the sewers and playing dice and going out and getting laid whenever they want. That's probably not at all.

You're great, you're close not sewers, but otherwise otherwise kind of right, No, now, Caroline stan Hope was so wild that she had been blackballed by what was known as the Female Coterie. And this was a collection of like highly Bourne, extremely respectable society ladies who would meet at the All Max Club to eat and drink and gossip and play cards together, you know, just regular club stuff. Sure you did, but Caroline was cut out from the very beginning. They were just like, no, we can say

that you are not one of us. But she did not care. She said, keep your shitty as club, and she started her own club. It was known as the New Female Coterie. Oh that's such as a right. I'm going to straight up take the name of your club. And it's also it's newer and therefore younger. You're looking

drab by the way, lady Jersey. Um. It comprised Caroline's notorious friends, women like Henrietta and Seymour, and instead of meeting at a respectable locale like All Max, Caroline assembled all her friends at a fancy brothel run by a woman named Mrs Sarah Prendergast. Now this wasn't just Caroline's preferred location, it was also her husband's favorite brothel. This guy was known to be quote as lecherous as a monkey.

The lords and ladies of his class called him the Goat of quality, and the prostitutes he visited called him Lord Fumble. Whoops. He always dropping ship right are? He just couldn't quiet together. You can't catch the ball, if you know what I'm saying. The goat of quality, I like goat, like greatest of all time, Like a goat, a goat that eats trash. Now, apparently he visited this brothel like clockwork, four days a week, and he always

asked for two girls. Every time. You know I'm not going to do well, I always dropped the first one, send me to ruben Holt writes that between his regular visits and Caroline paying a retainer to use the rooms for her new female Cotree meetings, the couple quote almost single handedly supported Mrs Prinder Gas Enterprise, our highest patron, the Harrington's. Harrington's most titled women never set foot inside a brothel. They wouldn't know where to find one. What

it was. You know, you're supposed to be real sheltered from that sort of thing. They're like, what is this paris exactly? But these ladies met there all the time to eat drink, gossip, and play cards, just like they're more respectable counterparts there. Yeah, because they're like, oh, where

will the female coterie never bother us? True? As Mike Rindell writes on Dirty Hit Sexy history dot Com, sometimes these ladies would also earn a little money by taking their pick of the gentlemanly visitors to the brothel while they were there meeting up and hanging out. So you can kind of imagine like a tipsy lady watch some like hot guy walk in and she goes, hold my champagne, Carol,

I've got an itch to scratch. So they would literally they're just there to hang out, but every once in a while they'd be like, yeah, I'll take one too, I guess, or like the guy maybe would like flip come up to her, let's go upstairs. Kind of nice because they could they could kind of have their pick because they can easily say like, oh, we don't work here,

we're not prostitutes. Um. But then if they're you know, the the seventeen hundreds, Hugh Jackman walks in and she's like, oh, yes, no, actually, my schedule is clear today. You can have me as long as you like me. So Seymour had joined the world of the demi monde or the half world, which is a fashionable circle of courtesan's actresses and divorced or separated wives. Sounds hot, sounds like the best group of

people to hang out with. Uh And this was a true comfort for Seymour because it was hard not to have a circle of female friends in this very gendered society. But her male friends they didn't change at all. She was still hanging out with the Prince of Wales and his circle of expense, some dashing friends, and compared to Richard, she was actually doing socially really great. While Richard was still the star of a bunch of humiliating cartoons, she

was hanging out with literal royalty. She even started wearing men's breeches, boots and spurs to ride horses like super Fast through the park, which was this big spectacle drew lots of attention. I mean, first of all, she's wearing pants men's books. Yeah, they're they're like, there's a woman riding a horse in the park. That's that's sort of interesting. And she's wearing pants that I've got a seat, my smelling salts. Someone burned feathers. The housekeeper has painted burning feathers.

Is that what they did? Yeah, it's got to be those regency books. Yeah, I mean is it the Is that supposed to smell and wake you up? I suppose it would. Yeah, you didn't have any smelling salts. You could just burn feathers. Oh, I've never burned a feather. I imagine it smells like burning hair. Smells pretty bad, or at least it burns slowly, might be the main thing, and you can like waft it in front of their

fields or something. I don't never burned a feather. Feather burners of the world, she doesn't email let us know what it smells like. You have a funny idea of all the people listen to the show. There's a whole group of people feather burners. Reach out. I assume some of our biggest audiences, the cooks and the feather burners out there. Let's listen to this show. Tag yourself. So she's whipping down through the park real fast on horses,

all the time, drawn all this attention. The Prince of Whales wanted to hold a race just so he could see her ass and tight pants basically, but Seymour decided not to do at the last minute, but she did show up to raise a two wheeled phaeton. She's just like, I'll do a chariot race. How's that sound? Yeah, there you go effect. I was thinking maybe you could get better. It was a closed carriage, right, hard to say. I don't know what a two wheeled phaeton. Two wheeled phaeton

riders in the world. Set us picks um, Yes, which is a carriage not not? I don't know what you think your faeton is. Be careful about its pictures to send us sensitive material picture of my phaeton. So she shows up in this two wheeled phaeton to do this race anyway, and Reuben Hold writes that quote even among her set, these tricks were exceptional feats of audacity. But

this time it wasn't just about Richard. At the time, I was considered inadvisable for women to ride too hard and fast on a horse because masculine competition and all the physical motion was bad for the womb and could result in hysteria or masculinization of the woman, or infantility or miscarriage. Seems legitmen Hold rights that quote her sudden passion for dangerous gallops was perfectly explicable because she was actually pregnant at the time with her and Georgia's second child.

And you know, but this delicately she was trying not to be pregnant anymore. Yeah, but it didn't work. The baby hung in there. So as she grew more obviously pregnant, she naturally withdrew from the public eye. But at some point a letter from her to Richard addressed to Richard, appeared in print and people were like salivating for her side of the story. So she knew this was gonna like really get some attention. She hired a ghostwriter for it,

so she did not write it herself. Now, this was a sixteen page long diet tribe Richard and everything he'd done to her. It implied that he was actually gay again, a big, pretty fucked up thing to say at the time when it was so illegal. Um, it said that he only married her for her money. You know, it really just laid into Richard and was like, I'm the

sympathetic figure. This guy sucks. And of course this, you know, just kicked up the whole spark around the story again, and the twelve penny cuckled himself was like, you know what, fine, fine Seymour, and he finally decided to give her her clothes back, which was probably what she was going for when she wrote this letter in the first place. He did keep her jewels, though, he was like, I ain't giving you all this treasure. But he also penned a

response himself. He didn't hire a ghostwriter. He wrote it, and it it portrayed her as an insatiable sex maniac. He admitted that he could not keep up with her sexual needs and was kind of like, I mean, wouldn't any man in my situation and lists some friends to help out? Wow? Actually no, probably not. So this never Yeah, it's never sold well when a man goes out of the public and says, my wife wants too much sex. So I just obviously I called some other men in

to have sex with her. Like it doesn't really just man would do, right, fellas, they're not all standing up to be like, oh sure, yes, I hate it when my wife wants too much sex. I always give it away to someone else. So that yeah, this didn't really make him look very good or anything. But what he was really trying to do was win his suit for

separation and get this extra alimony overturned. So he was trying to appear sympathetic in the eyes of the court that she was like publicly persecuting him in the papers and doing all this stuff to make him look bad. But his initial appeal failed. All he got changed was that he could pay Seymour her alimony quarterly instead of monthly, so they were like same amount, but you can spread it out. And so he was like, damn it, that's not what I was looking for. So he turned around.

He put in another appeal. He just did not want to give seymore anything because thanks to her, the story about him just would not die. He had been the subject of very public ridicule for nearly a year now, which would hurt anybody, I think, And he realized, you know what, I'm gonna have to leave England for a while to let this die down. As long as I'm here, the stories alive. So it was high time for another Richard reinvention and we will find out how he went

about that. Right after these messages welcome back Cus and feather burners, the world people are gonna stop listening or primari demographics. They're like, I don't want people think about cook or a feather burner. Know, feather burner might be good. You're helping people wake up from Look, we don't need to get into it. So Richard wanted to reinvent himself,

just like he had on his study abroad. But he was going to have to go further abroad than he ever had before, because even in Rome they were calling him the twelve a band he got gold. So he decided that he would head to Spain, Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Egypt, even Russia, and he was going to collect marble statues and antiquities and items of historical interest in an effort

to reinvent himself as a scholar and an intellectual. In Egypt, he would regularly see all these slave auctions and he kind of got obsessed with the idea of buying a young slave girl. He liked the thought of a young woman being entirely under his control. But the prices were too high. I'll say the prices were too high because a lot of the girls that were on sale were white and not black. No kidding, Um, yeah, they were at least very fair skin and white presenting worth more

quote unquote. I guess, jeez, boy, there's a lot to unpack there. I mean, you know, you you dwell in slavery too long and everyone is just awful everything about it. There's nothing redeeming. So the prices were so high that he instead purchased a young black boy as his page. He was like, by jove, I'm gonna buy someone, damn it. Literally. Yeah, he was like so obsessed with it. It was like a collectible for him. I know, I previously thought Richard was kind of a piece of ship, but now he's

like running shit. Um. Yeah. Not only that, it gets worse. Richard also severely beat and mistreated this boy, and at one point in Russia he stayed with some fellow Englishmen named Samuel and the philosopher Jeremy Bentham, who you may remember as John Locke's pseudonym in the last two seasons of Lost. Of course, everyone immediately it was that home

you all remember. It was that whole mystery where after when the Oceanic When when the Oceanic Six were off the island and they couldn't figure out how to get back, and they were all talking to each other and they were like, uh, you know, you know, Jeremy Bentham told us that we had to do this to get back to the island. This is for another show. We're not talking about Loss, I know, but I could. I would love to challenge you to find a lost reference in

every episode of our show. Well, there was a lot of philosophers names being dropped on Lost. So Jeremy Bentham. Jeremy Bentham was a roommate of Sir Richard here, and Jeremy wrote that their home was regular early rocked by quote the lad's shrieks and agonies. Uh continues the quote, he treated the poor boy with barbarous cruelty. Nobody could be more wretched than he was in his master's presence. Oh God, And that seems to be sort of the point, yes,

Sir Richard. I mean, why else would you become obsessed with owning a person and having a person under your complete control if it wasn't to treat them as badly as you wanted and then couldn't leave you for a better employment. And also Jeremy Bentham sitting there being like this is absolutely terrible and apparently not putting a stop to it. So I know better, Jeremy, Okay, I definitely

had that question too. I was like the people apparently were very disgusted by his treatment of this boy all through his the whole time he had him, and no one said a fucking word. Oh this world. But much like the tragic fate of Jane, who, if you remember, was Seymour and George's illegitimate child together, this boy just disappeared at some point and no one knows what happened to him. You know, we can all hope that he

ran off to a happier life. It's possible that he died or maybe even was killed again if we we It's sometimes it really feels like Sir Richard killed that girl. I'm like the fact that the two people closest to him, his wife and his friend George, both thought that he had it in him to kill their daughter, and then when she died, they were like, yeah, he probably killed her.

I think he might have just treated this boy so terribly that he died or got so you know, a beating sucked him up so much that he never recovered. I don't know, speculation station, We don't know what Richard is like, but only evidence points to a real piece of work. In either case, this boy certainly wasn't with Sir Richard when he decided by seven that it had been long enough in his a broad journey that he was going to come back to England. When he did

get back to England, he was accompanied by someone. It was his housekeeper, which is a euphemism for a mistress of an unequal social status. Her name was Sarah Smith. So while Richard was away, Seymour did not have an easy time of it. At the end of January three and while she was still pregnant, George Bissett left her. Damn George, but he had stuck with her for nearly

a year after this big trial. But it's clear that she could never remarry as long as Richard was still alive, and that he was never going to get her a divorce and he needed a legitimate air for his own estate. He may also have succumbed to pressure from his religious family.

Right whatever happened, their days were pretty much numbered as soon as they found out that Richard was suing for separation um and Seymour maybe sensed that, and that might have been why she was trying so hard to miscarry their second child, because she was like, if you're not even gonna be here to help help me with this baby.

I don't know why I would carry it, I suppose, And eventually George would marry a woman named Harriet more Daunt, settled down as a justice of the peace, have two children, and be remembered as an epitome of virtue. Good job, George looks. Fore, it's the reinvention that Richard wanted so badly. So in that way he got a bit of a revenge on Richard. I think he did that. He did get the nobody really remembered this whole sordid episode of

his past. But for now, Seymour was heavily pregnant, broke and the loan, and Reuben Hold writes quote, while she had chosen with defiant pride to where the epithet of horror, as she had hung from her lover's arm, the true meaning of the term only revealed itself to her in his absence. Without him, Seymour faced the future where her financial need, not her heart, determined who she would be embracing. Oh so it was like almost like you've been playing the part, but now you really got to know what

it's like, got to play the part. Yeah, I think you can't. You've been caused plan as a sex worker, but you don't really get what it's like in these streets, and now she does. Yeah, it's sort of like the new female coterie. It sounds really fun theory. But also these were women who straight up had to kind of just accept the advances of the richest man who was interested as long as he was interested, and then they'd get dropped like a bad habit and they'd have to

find another one. It's just a very unstable, uncertain existence, you know, you couldn't really make plans. It's very shifting sands kind of some things were sometimes it was great, sometimes it wasn't. And I think for Seymour it all seemed fine to have a man pay for your life and not be married to him. But she was actually in love with George and she really wanted to be with him. But now she's like, oh, now I have to just find a guy, and that's not really I

think that's not really her thing. This is wild, and I'll go ahead and put it in speculation station um, but I'm starting to think that just exclusively at this exact moment in history, life for women was challenging, and I don't just I'm I don't know I'm just it just kind of feels like that way to me. Maybe I'm overstepping and maybe I sound crazy. You know, in these day and age, I feel like just a narrow window of time there and the very small part of

the world life for women might have been a little difficult. Yeah, fortunately in every other country, every other time, totally fine. Nothing specifically, I don't want to again. I'm not trying to go too crazy, right right right, women of the world, right in and let me know what you think of that. Please don't please don't we know we're kidding sarcasm stations. So Seymour was certainly Hella broke. She was running up debts like crazy when she started seeing a man named

Isaac Buyers in three. He was a wealthy plantation owner. He had no society presence, so he kind of felt like Seymour had all the connections that he would want to like cut a dash in society. You know, she still knows the Prince of Wales and all that type of so he's like, great, You've got what I need. Plus, she was pregnant, which meant he would be safe from an illegitimate child like hit the jackpot over, I know,

right until she gave birth. No, since Seymour and Richard's suit for separation had still not been decided, Seymour was able to plead coverture, which was like a law saying that a husband was responsible for paying his wife's debts. But since Richard was abroad and nobody could get a hold of him, how convenient, her creditors started harassing her. They would knock on her door at all hours of the night. They would wait in the street for her

to come out of her house. Uh, they would wait by establishments that she frequented, and jump all over her when she showed up. This was a total campaign of intimidation and bullying that honestly would make anybody just lose their minds. Was constant harassment. I was thinking about when we had so much debt and our phones would just ring a lot, and I'm so horrible and annoying and

anxiety inducing. And then I'm like, imagine if they were just knocking every day, every any multiple times of day, if every time you went out, they would jump out of your freaking bushes. Basically like where's my money? You go? You you try to go out to dinner just one night and They're like, what are you doing here buying dinner? You should be giving me that my money? Yeah, I mean they do need to get paid, but come on, yeah, I mean most of them. I feel badly because these

are probably tradespeople. Really, they were just some merchants like like I need this wasn't like a predatory loan company, and a lot of aristocrats didn't never pay their bills. They would just place a bigger order and kind of kick the can down the road, so that at some point you had to be like really mean about it. So I get it, but I'm also like, well, putting myself in seymour shoes horrible. How can people who have so much money are so good at never spending it?

That's how they have it. I didn't get rich by writing a bunch of checks. So eventually, Seymour gave birth to George's second child, but there is no record of what happened to this baby. Finally, she and Isaac Buyers fled to Holland and Belgium to escape her creditors, but at some point in Belgium, Buyers left her, and no one knows what she was up to from that point until she returned to England. At this point she was

pregnant again and totally alone. This was five. Her creditors immediately heard she was back and just jumped back on their campaign of intimidation. Eventually, Seymour gave birth to this little girl, and she fled the country again, and this time she headed to rural France, and there she took this baby girl. She found a local family somewhere out in the in the countryside to raise this kid. She

was fairly common in the eighteenth century. Apparently, yeah, you just went and found some poor couple somewhere who I guess they were poor, but they could easily support they like, we're struggling to have a child of their own. Somebody comes in with a healthy baby and they're like, oh, pas there, like you got so many, I mean, you won't even notice her. Could be the opposite, yes, one or the other. Another two hands for the farm sounds perfect to me. How healthy is she? Milk a goat?

You will. But France would be a per place for Seymour to live, particularly Paris, because women were allowed a sexual freedom in France that was highly unusual for English ladies. As ruben Holt writes, quote, French society. Ladies would hardly have batted an eye at Seymour's list of indiscretions, nor entirely understood what had precipitated such a scandal in the first place. A lady's good reputation in France was defined by her skill at amorous intrigue, while the figure of

a virtuous wife was ridiculed and dismissed. Yes, I want to live in that place. Sounds great. This sounds like one of those times and places that was perfect for women and they had no so no problem at all. I know. I'm like, that's just a total different set of problems, probably but certainly for someone like Seymour. She's like, oh, y'all don't even know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I could. I have to try hard to be to be crazy. Over here, they're like, people are mad about this, lover

you talk Helloa jokes drops myself. Ruben Holt actually name checks our friend, Governor Morris, one of the people who wrote about this extreme difference, and of course he did, of course he did. Please if you haven't heard our episode about Governor Morris, he's one of our favorite characters we've ever done. Father. He's hands down the best founding father there was. He was a very cool guy. Yes, please check it out if you have not heard it already.

And actually he was. He was in France around the same time as Seymour. Oh yeah, So I just like to think about them maybe like seeing, you know, hanging out a party and like flirting a little bit. Like wouldn't it be dope if you found out that they had an affair? I would die. They did, I don't think they did, but uh, we talked in that episode about starting an HBO show. I was like, you could do six seasons on Governor Morris, easy, amazing show, constant adventure, excitement,

really great characters. At the end of the part, hello, we could definitely do another show about Seymour and Richard and all this stuff. And then there's our crossover episode. So we've created a whole the Ridiculous Romance universe where the same actress that plays Lady Seymour you see her in Governor Or Morris and then you're like, oh my god. Turns out the next season is about that bitch who you thought was just a plain bit character but actually

perfect and then it's been off. Look, all I'm saying is HBO executives of the world who are listening to our show, please shoot us an email. We'd love to get a ten show contract. We would love to sign right away. It's half written already, Come on anyway. This reversal of the roles made Paris a preferred destination for the ostracized British lady who behaved badly, Brits who behaved badly,

Fritz behaving badly. That's the title of one of the shows that we're going to do, Gotta be And Plus France was going through an Anglo file phase at this time, and so everything English was like all the rage except their sexual behavior, except that they were like, we don't want to co opt that, but like some of your stuff is cool. Yeah, we love big clocks and tea. I'm sure the food probably was not probably a fashion

style and poured it over. Yeah, I think some fashion, probably some art music, you know, stuff like that cultural thing, dancing a dance all the rage in England, the dancing, the wos at all Max of all places. So Seymour would have been pretty warmly welcomed in France, and she became friends with a Duke of Orleans and his whole circle, and that's how she met her next protector, Joseph Bouland or the Chevalier de Saint George. This guy also just deserves his whole his whole own show on HBO. This

guy is amazing. He's super handsome, he's charming, he's an amazing dancer, he's a champion fencer. Also he's a noted composer and conductor and violin player. He also he was black. His father had been a plantation owner, but his mother was a sixteen year old slave named Nanni who was the wife's personal maid. So Daddy Boulogne actually recognized and claimed Joseph as his own son and made sure he

got a really good education. But since Joseph was black, that meant he couldn't inherit any titles or land, and he was barred from marrying any lady in his own class. But if you're watching Bridgetain and you think that's not what they looked like, there were black aristocrats absolutely, and this guy was one of them. And I would totally watch a show about him. It sounds like a hottie reggae Jean Paige anyone right now, by his own talents and virtues. This guy made a place for himself in

fashionable society. He even famously dueled at transgender champion fencer named La Chevoliere. Don and Marie Antoinette frequently attended this guy's concerts and operas. People called him Le Mozartoire, and he actually was roomies with Mozart for several months in seventeen seventy eight. Now you know that would be his own season of his show. Start was a little troublemaker. I feel like definitely could have gotten to some ship together. That was Oh my god, Mozart was that real handful.

I can't wait for our Mozart episode right now. Either Joseph was also a troublemaker or it was like an odd couple situations. Either way, I'm in Joseph was like real clean and proper, like Mozart stopped doing fart jokes at dinner. Another name check. Also, one woman said about Saint George that his powers of musical improvisation to use only music to create a mood and a story was

comparable to her other favorite composer, actor Barlow. Another one of our episodes, That's just a delight, Go check it out. Another wild fucking story the things this guy did for love composers. Man who knew the composers led artists? Okay, but yeah, the Chevalier de Saint George sounds like a super hot guy to be a mistress for. So good for you, semur So. She's doing great in France, damnit.

But even so, she did return to London in because finally, after five years, her and Richard's case for separation and alimony was coming to an end. Richard Boo had succeeded in overturning the six dred pound alimony, so he would not have to pay that extra money to Seymore, but he did still have to pay all her insanely high debt, and that meant that he had to sell his London townhouse and everything inside it. I'm kind of laughing at Richard.

It feels like everything he wanted went terribly, went completely the opposite direction. Like he's like, I'm not going to give you what you want, which is a divorce. I'll see you for separations. So she's like, let me run up a quick bill and he you have to pay it. Like I feel like he's playing himself at every I mean, she outwitted him. And he was. He really let his arrogance get the best of them, because, like we said in part one, it was all about for him, it

was all just about not being wronged or injured. It was like his pride was really what he was so obsessed with. Yeah, and he was like, I'm socially this and that, and I don't deserve this tree. You can get over himself just trying to get one over on me. I'll show you. And then he did something crazy stupid and like if he had just divorced her, he'd have every all this stuff, he'd be fine. He'd he'd have his own money, he wouldn't have no wife in the

papers talking ship. I don't know what his problem is. He wasn't think it's straight. So yeah, having to sell his house and all that stuff in it, that was yet another blow to Richard's enormously inflated a sense of ego. Um. But also he got real worried that Seymour was going to resume all her pranks and scandalous behavior and put his name back in the papers and everything and ruin all his chances of redeeming his reputation as long as

she was in London. So He included a clause that Seymour had to leave England for four years, and if she returned before four years was up, he could legally withhold her pin money, which was again her only source of independence, by the way, So that sounds crazy to me that she signed that ship. Even Richard and Seymour's lawyers both were like, this is not legal and I can't do this. I'm assuming she probably just wanted to

go back to France. And I mean, I'm saying, I wish someone would sue me and tell me you have to go to Paris for four years, crying where's my pen um? So yeah, I'm assuming she just was like, yeah, great, fine, fuck England, I'll go back to France where they appreciate me. And she was also probably just so done with like all of Richard's little tricks, trying to keep them from

getting done with each other. For your vacation from you by But the French Revolution was close and we will find out how that affected Seymour right after these words welcome back everyone. So for the next few years, Seymour lived in Paris. The Chevalier de Saint George was no longer in her life, but she took up with another duellist named Dick England, which ironically to me sounds like a very American name. Dick England. Here he was a

different type of duelists. This some siting thank some aluminiums England's aluminum sake, Dick's big cars, what off Highway nine, Dick England's Mini Coopers. Now he was a different kind of duelist. This guy used pistols. She probably met him years before through the Prince of Wales, but he had

fled England after killing a man in a duel. So thanks to her friendship with the Duke of Orleans, they established a Pharaoh table at the Palais Royal Pharaohs, a gambling card game that was very popular at the time. But Reuben Holt points out that Seymour was still writing pretty desperate letters to Richard's bank asking for money, so this whole gambling table thing might not have been as

lucrative adventure as they had hoped. But everything changed in seventeen ninety two when the fall of the Bastille Herald at the beginning of the French Revolution. Seymour's friend, the Duke of Orleans, was legit anti monarchy. This guy was on the people's side, so to speak, and he rebranded himself as Philippe e Galita. But they didn't take that

side switch from him. He ended up on the guillotine anyway. Yeah, and it's not known where Seymour was during this time, but it's very probable that she was imprisoned during the Reign of Terror as the Duke of Orleans. Mistress Grace Dalrymple Elliott kept a journal during her imprisonment, and she wrote several times about this mysterious friend that we think was probably Seymour. Yeah, like the timelines add up and stuff like that, so they're like, she never said her name.

She called her by a different name, but they're like, I don't think it's probably Seymour. Also imprisoned during this time was Josephine Boharne, who was the future wife of Napoleon Bonaparte. Just a real who's who in this prison, his prisons and who's who of ladies um And again it's not known where Seymour was exactly during this time, but she was not in England in April of sev when her and Richard's son Robert unexpectedly died at only nineteen years old. This is so sad. I mean, poor Seymour.

She had one kid, she has not seen him since he was five years old, and probably not allowed to see her. Then she had a kid who died, another baby who died. Two babies she had to give away. Like just feels tragic. And then of course Richard, it's probably a big blow for him too because it was his only legitimate child as well, so that was he was supposed to inherit. Everything was supposed to have kids and carry on the Worsley name, the worse than Sly name.

But he's got nobody. While Seymour was locked up in Paris, Richard was still working on his reinvention, his lifelong project. It. I guess he had gone on this extensive trip. He had picked up a lot of art and antiquities and paintings and everything, and now it was time to show the world a new and improved so Richard Wellesley patron. So he wrote a book called Museum. Worsley ad him. I know, right, it's so pretentious. He apparently spent a

lot on the binding and it looked real fancy. It was like extra large, so you had to like make it a display book, and not just a regular book anyway. He really went in on it the humble Sir Richard. It was a book describing his travels and included like copper plate illustrations of all his collection, his collectibles and stuff like that, and it was not meant to be sold in bookshops. His intention was to put it directly in the hands of people he wanted to impress or

get in with academic types and the right people. And he felt so strongly about it that when he discovered that a copy he'd given to a friend as a gift was up for auction at Christie's, he bought it himself. That's how sty he was, like, I don't want any stranger to get this one, um, And it did go to a fair way to redeeming him socially a little bit.

He got a diplomatic position in Venice in sevent thanks to his extensive knowledge of Italy, who was on the brink of war with France, so England was like, we really need some some ear to ground over there. The Seymour didn't come back to England until seventeen nine seven, and she was a different woman when she returned because

everything that she had lived through in France. I mean, you know, obviously she gets there in its whole different culture, but then she's going through poverty and the revolution and the baby she had to give away and the death of her son. This drained a lot of that sassy energy that she had when she left the country. She was also seriously ill with what was called an inflammation of the lungs. And the only good news about out this was that it led to a reconciliation with her family.

That perfect sister of hers, Jane and and her mother. They went to see her, and Seymour wrote to Richard Stewart, quote, you will now be glad to hear that I am restored to the love and regard of all my family. They have all been to see me, and they are all goodness to me. Think what happiness I must feel at an event that I have so long wished for. I mean, and it had been fifteen years since she had seen them, after all, right, and since the trials.

It's like, all right, it's been fifteen years. You did something crazy. But her friends again, yeah, how long does it take? I like that? She said that, you know, I've been dreaming of this reunion for so long, and think how good it must have felt that it went well, because I'm sure she's imagining all possibilities. They're gonna hate me, they're gonna not they're gonna tell me to funk off, they're gonna make fun of me the whole time, or something to treat me inferior, and we along great. It

was so great to be in my family. We forgave me for you know, any dirt that got tossed onto them because of what I was doing. In fact, um Jane and the Earl even took Seymour to stay by the sea for her health. And they were so respectable, the two of them, that just being seen in public with them helped repair Seymour's reputation. Even Richard's own relatives were willing to receive Seymour, like, if the Harrington's are scorting her about, she must have just thrown those traces off.

And it's fine. Now we're we're all thinking of Steve Harrington. I know I'll never hear the word Harrington again without thinking of it. Was like the Earl of Harrington. I hope he had some good hair. Can I just throw out for our audience, who are probably big Steve Harrington fans out there, I just want to say that O Carry is one of the nicest people I've ever met.

That actually is awesome. He wrote. He wrote me a list of recommendations for restaurants while I was in l A, just saying, just saying, wow, I couldn't find a single one of them, but I'm sure they were. He's like, yeah, a write a list of recommendations Tony's yeah, right, he just made a bunch of like Donut Palace, Joe's Cafe. Wait, that's me Jake's Cafe. Oh no, is he an asshole?

All right? Different Harrington's. Seymour actually wrote after meeting with her family and spending time with them, quote, I really think one of the greatest blessings is being beloved by one's nearest and dearest. True. Just a nice sentiment to take after all the years of everything she'd been through. Yeah, I mean you could see that the steadiness of the people around her would be extremely valued by her because

she does. Again, she's got these guys. They're kind of in and out, and Richard sucked so hard, Like who what is? Who does she believe in? Now? Of course, Seymour is still Seymour. Okay, so she had just learned to be a little more discreet. Okay, Okay, that is learning.

That is learning. She did probably didn't want to do anything to jeopardize her newfound relationship with her family, so she lived in a property that was left to her by her father, Mr. Fleming, and that had been divided into three houses, so she lived in one, her friend Grace Dalrymple Elliott lived in the middle house, and then the third was rented out to various fast types of people. So maybe not the right type okay, And Seymour actually

had a fling with one of these neighbors. His name is Colonel George Porter, and he actually later married Seymour's friend, Lady Henrietta Grosvenor, another member of the new female coterie, even though Henrietta was eleven years older than George Porter. So get a girl, um. And then Seymour had her own real love affair, Jean Louis Hummel, a Swiss singer with a family background in trade. Now, Jean Louis was not wealthy, uh, Seymour was in her mid forties and

old enough to be his mother, but their relationship still worked. Now, maybe Jean Louis was just like cool, she's got money, her husband's old. If I hang out long enough, she might leave me some I don't know, but apparently they got along really, really well. Meanwhile, Richard had to flee Italy when the Venetian Republic fell to Napoleon in se and he came back to the Isle of Wight, where he became more and more antisocial. Can't blame him to

be honest. Accompanying him to and from Venice was his quote unquote housekeeper Sarah Smith Reuben hold right quote. Having traveled with her lover from England to Venice and braved the perilous journey by sea and land back to the Isle of Wight. Mrs Smith was undoubtedly a most dedicated mistress.

It is hard to imagine that anything but a genuine love held the two together, which is a nice thought for Richard to have a true love, I guess, But I also wonder if she's of unequal social status, she might just be like, follow the money, I'll go wherever the money is. I mean, I don't like to cast dispersions onto Mrs Smith, but if John Louis can be suspected of loving Seymour for her money. I think Mrs Smith also, can I guess I just like, yeah, good

for her whatever. She married a potential child murderer and a known racist and slave owner, so they can both Maybe she's they could be a truly in love because they were both running ships that found exactly at last. Now, when Richard did flee Venice, he'd had to pack up a separate ship with his antiquities and his art and all the paintings he'd purchased while he lived there. But unfortunately for Sir Richard, the ship that held most of it,

the Robert Pattison. That was the name of the ship, Robert Pattison en bat bat bat Well, this ship, the Robert Pattison, was ransacked and all the valuable stuff inside was held to ransom, and Sir Richard is like, oh fine, I guess I'll take some of my money and pay

off this ransom. But guess what must much of this collection was stolen anyway, and so his obsession with collecting only grew stronger now since he didn't have an air anymore, his only chance at a legacy that wasn't about him helping another man peep on his wife was to go down in history as an impressive arts patron. He was digging a real financial hole with all these acquisitions, though, and all these dubious art dealers, they smelled a sucker.

They were like, here's a man who will do anything to increase his collection. He don't even have to see the thing. So he bought a ton of paintings from this one guy, only to have his bankers remind him that, hey, you don't actually have enough money for that purchase, so you're gonna have to turn around and sell all those paintings at a loss. So he lost money on both ends of the transaction. A lot of the art that

he bought he never even got to see once. It was just just flushing money down the toilets, throwing good money after bad. When Sir Richard Worsley died of a stroke in eighteen o five, he left his estate in so much debt and disarray that it took twenty years to work it out. But the faithful Mrs Smith was provided for. He left her two hundred and fifty pounds a year, which is a little under pounds so grand, which is considerably less than the six hundred pound alimony

he was going to be paying out Seymour. So it's not like I mean, I guess he didn't have that kind of money anymore. I guess pounds of year is probably the best she's going to get. Yeah, I guess. So it was the nice of him to think of her, I suppose, yeah, yeah, right, And although he never knew it, his collection of marbles and Greek antiquities was completely overshadowed when Lord Elgin, another famous cuckold and a future subject

of ridiculous romance, brought his collection to London. Everyone's talking about the Lord Elgin collection, Lord Elgin's models, But Sir Richard's death, what's exactly what? Seymour had spent years waiting for everyone's like, finally because now she could shake off his stupid name and get her dang dang fortune back. So less than a month after he died, Seymour aged forward seven married Jean Louis hummel Age by royal license.

She resumed her maiden name of Fleming, so she was Lady Seymour Fleming once again, and Jean Louis changed his name to Fleming as well. Yeah, I guess in deference to her greater wealth or something like what's humble mean nothing? She got her enormous widows jointure that we talked about in the first episode. That was guaranteed and they got married and everything. So she got that money. She was able to live in comfort and stability once again, after

so long of the shifting sands of poverty. And not long after all that happened, she got a visitor, a secret visitor. Remember when Seymour gave away that daughter to a local family in rural France. Well, Charlotte was her name, and she had grown up and gotten married by this day, and her husband filed a claim in court saying that Charlotte was legally entitled to serve Richard's fortune as well as Seymour's fortune because she was their child, because he

was unaware of the facts of the matter. No, no, no, sir. You see the whole reason I drop this girl off with you because she ain't okay, we do not know her daddy is okay. You can make up somebody if it makes you feel better, but you cannot apply for his money. N Sure, go ask him for some money, and I'm telling you he won't give it to you. So you know this might seem like, oh, I just

came into money, and now people knocking on my door. Obviously, but after having lost so many children, Seymour was just really happy to reconnect with one. She said, great, yeay, Charlotte, I'm so happy to see you again. And she settled a thousand pounds on Charlotte, and she promised to leave an additional three thousand pounds to any of their children. So that is nice. I think that's nice. At least you can do if you drop a baby off in a farm somewhere, right, like, all right, I didn't have

a fortune at the time, but now I do. And yes, I think you just saved them of it. And it's nice that she got to reconnect with one of her babies. I think that was probably a very serious source of sadness for definitely, definitely now. As soon as the armistice happened in eighteen fourteen, Seymour was like, I'm getting hell out of England. I'm done with this place. I'm going back to Paris. She was among the first to relocate. In eighteen sixteen, she and Jean Louise settled in Passy,

and that's where she was living when she passed. Away in eighteen eighteen, at sixty one years old, just shy of her thirteenth anniversary. She has a tomb at Pere la Chaise which has this, uh kind of cheeky inscription. It says, quote, yes, thou shalt be obeyed nobody, not the quote of of Lady Seymour's life. You know, maybe she meant like, you'll be staying that to me right. Reuben Hold writes that of all of Seymour's lovers, Jean

Louise stuck beside her the longest. And maybe people think that it was just the promise of what he inherited that made him so loyal. And it's true that he was a very wealthy windower. He had his own land, and he was now styled Baron Fleming, just quite a leap from his start in life as the stepson of

a stocking manufacturer. I know, I think this is hard for me to grasp as an American, because our whole culture is about starting from nothing and getting to the top, and it's like not a common story necessarily, but it's supposed to be achievable, whereas in this time and place it was not. If you were a manufacturer, you were never going to be a lord. That is not a thing that you don't jump that line actually already have it. Yeah, exactly. So it was quite quite a quite a leap in life,

I guess for him. But Reuben Holt thinks that his respect and all of his affection for Seymour was genuine. She writes quote, he hoped that posterity would remember them together. He may have been the only person to do so. His final request was to be buried alongside my dearly beloved first wife, Lady Seymour Fleming, a woman of whom he had never been ashamed. Well, I like that, I like that. I'm glad Lady Seymour experienced some true love in her time. It's always nice. It wasn't kind of

result in a criminal conversation. Several of our stories that we've told that are like someone's just chaotic life, ups and downs, crashes and burns, like just this that and the other lovers comeing and go and getting jilted, and then they finally find someone who's just like, hey, I love you, let's hang out. That's always nice to be like, all right, I'm glad you found somebody eventually, And for a lot of people. It's just like, you know, you find happiness and being like I don't need all that

and I'm happy alone or whatever. That's a story too. But for some of these, like for Lady Seymour, I'm glad that she got someone who really cared about her and stuck with her. Yeah, definitely. She kind of reminded me a lot of Colette, because Collette, of course shitty first husband, uh, moving on to other lovers, constantly being left and you know nobody. You know, people's kind of being like I'll take you up for a while, but

you know, not for me forever or anything. And the new the you know, when she got older, she met Maurice and she had a true love for many years who stuck by her and really cared. So I was like, there you go, go to France. I guess if you need to find a lover, France. So yeah, that is the story of Lady Seymour. Fleming and Sir Richard Worsley beautiful and oh yeah, and good old George. I feel

bad for George a little bit. I mean it feels like he did he did love Seymour and probably would have stuck around had there not been all as legal, I think, so, you know, stuff blocking him basically. I mean, it sucks that he had to leave, but you kind of see where he didn't really have a choice. It's like, if I want any kind of life exactly, it gets

to go. Yeah, there's only so long I can party with the Prince of Wales before kind of like okay, but I also need to like pay for things, get a lady to run my household and have babies and so on. I mean again, life life is different now, you don't need all that ship. So her George could have probably lived happily after after, but not not at that time. So yeah, he really kind of I feel bad.

I think he totally would have married her if if if Richard had given her a divorce, I think they would have gotten married and probably would have very little episode to say about them. But that's not what happened. Richard decided to go down in history and will perv Thanks for the Thanks for the two partner, Richard. Yeah, thanks, Richard. It's the longest part you ever gave anybody. Well, so so glad to share this with you all. I hope you enjoyed it. Yeah, tell us what you thought of

sir Richard and Lady Seymour. You know, if you would have hung out with the new female Cotore a fancy brothel, definitely got drunk on champagne in the middle of the afternoon. I would have the straight up having mimosa brunches and plan and gambling. Oh yeah, oh yeah, so yeah. Let us know what you think. We always love hearing from y'all. You can email us at ridic Romance at gmail dot com. That's right, of course. You can find us on social media Twitter and Instagram. I'm at Oh great, it's Eli.

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