Sex-Ray Vision: Ida & Jupp Smash for Science

I saw the interior ridges, the uvula, the tongue, and the and then Pocchio the teeth. Of course, Uh, we all know that vaginas have teeth. Great time to tell the people my vagina, didn't Tata? And then I even and even a little Pinocchio and they're building a fire so you can get sneezed out. That's my I gotta ladies, guess what you got? A little cup of can fire in their little Pinocchio building fire so you can get sneezed out, rafting leaf at it, get it higher. You know.

It's there's times where intuition just you know, they give us the science we don't need to explore because we already know. Why would we question that? So you would have no you would you would say this and then say no science required. I know it's true and I don't need any proof. Yeah. Well guess what, baby, you're a lot like Leonardo da Vinci. Did you know that

you had a lot in common of Leonardo? I have always said so, so yeah, well yeah, our story today involves Leonardo da Vinci having a really dumb idea about a Pinocchio and a vagina and no one checking his work for a long time. All right, all right, so I say let's jump in because I want to take us. When Ida Sabelli's phone is ringing and it's her best friend's partner, a doctor named Manko Victor Peck van Andel, and he has a very normal question to ask Ida.

He wants to know if Ida and her boyfriend Jup would be willing to have sex in an MRI machine while he watches this is about a new cank or something that you haven't heard about. Peck just wanted to create a totally unique piece of body art using the magnetic resonance imaging to show what's really going on internally when men and women have sex. He thought they would be really cool art project. But this little sexperiment turned

out to be pretty important for science as well. So let's hear about Ida and Juke and the sextiest MRI art project turned scientific discovery in history. Hey, their French come listen. Well, Elia and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no matchmaking a romantic tips. It's just about pridiculous relationship. He love. There might be any type of person at all, and abstract cons that don't a concrete wall. But if there's a story with a second clanch, ridiculous roles, a

production of I Heart Radio. Okay, before we dive right into the m r I sex stuff, um, we do need a little bit of backstory about the anatomical study of our reproductive organ of course. Um, so we're gonna kick off this episode with a quick fling with history. Eureka. Well, babe, I hate to tell you this, but you're wrong about the Pinocchio thing. I've just want you to know a woman's vagina isn't comfarable to a cartoon whales throat not

quite as capacious. Guess that's the public education sex education classes for you. You know, like that's what we got. That's what I got. Pinocchio. Yeah, they just played Pinocchio for us actually, and they were like, this is sex, said,

have fun. Wow. Well you're not the only one who was misled, because I don't know if you knew this, but for five centuries, science thought that a woman's vagina was perfectly cylindrical, like a grain silo, and that their cervixes opened up like a pac man to interlock with the penis. Excuse me, chomp, chump, chomp, literally chomp chomp on your dick. Wow. So even with vaginal sex, you're getting oral sex but from a pac man. Wow. I never thought about it like that. Wow. Guys really getting

the best of both worlds in this scenario. Yeah. Who hasn't want to half their knob gobbled by a pac man. Well, unfortunately, thanks to artists, scientists, and inventor Leonardo da Vinci, we did really think that. We thought that vaginas were cylindrical and that the cervix locked with the penis um. Leo also thought that the penis went straight in and straight out with zero conformity to the female shape, like real

finger in your thumbhole. Five he drew sketches of this in and we just kind of went with it for five years. I gotta wonder if somebody ever asked Leonardo da Vinci, like, hey, buddy, uh, have you ever had sex before? Like do you know? And He's like, sure, yes, I thought of the sex all the time. You think the thing, you put it in the uhan and out, in and out like, oh, Leo, I feel so bad

for your lady friends. I don't know Leo. Leo also some some gay stuff in his life, so maybe he's only he only knew what a when it felt like to do a boy. I don't know. That was really like walking on glass way of saying that he likes butt holes. I don't know, but it but it does. I mean, I don't have a penis myself, but do you feel like when you have sex, does it feel like it conforms to a female shape? Like do you

feel it bending? I don't know. I guess I would say that I've never really put that much thought into the differences between those two sensations, so it's hard for me to say. I guess, try and pay attention next time. I mean, maybe that's what Leo had. He was like, I was busy thinking, so as far as I could start against straight end straight out. So yeah, he drew some sketches of this, and these sketches are known as

coition figures. And while Leonardo da Vinci did study cadavers quite a lot, he did not use any for these sketches. He just used some ancient Greek and Arabian medical texts. Oh, he's like it says here, Uh, there's a four ghosts inside every woman's cervis that grab on the penis and just a yank on it, I will draw. Uh. Marry Roach points out in her book The Curious Coupling of Sex and Science that if Leo had used cadavers, he probably wouldn't have left out the ovaries and the prostate

from his sketches. Um. But even with that compelling evidence that his sketch was pro sketchy, it took a very long time for anyone to challenge his assumptions. That is until a gynecologist named Robert Latu Dickinson decided to give it a world himself. Mary Roach writes that this guy gathered data for his groundbreaking book at Lists of Human Sex Anatomy from the eighteen nineties until the nineteen thirties. Now, unlike da Vinci, Dickinson did use cadavers as well as

living bodies for his research. I got to say, I I'm sure it's fine, but I do get automatically a little concerned when someone's like, I'm a sex researcher, I've been using all these cadavers, like oh no, oh no. Has to be very clear in the footnotes, like did I wonder if that's like his constant thing. He's defending himself, Like every party he goes to, he's like, I do sex research. I have cadavers, and they're like, oh yeah, just like everyone makes that joke. I'm so sick of it.

Not doing that, I'm making plaster casts of their dead genitaliums Okay, totally normal and cool. Mary talks about this guy using X rays of wounds to trace pictures like, uh, third grader trying to jar a really cool batman. You know, I'm just going to trace that. I just remember that's

what I did with tracing paper. Um. But he also quote over the years, crafted a hundred and two plaster casts of patients hymen's, volva's, and vaginas in all their various forms and States, and this guy really wanted to rebut the claim that a man's penis just drives straight into and docks with the cervix right like he's you know, I've excuse me. I've had my penis and a number of vaginas and I never felt a pac man chomping up my bits. Wonder if any women too were like M,

I don't think my cervix does. That seems very off, but I guess if you say so. Doctor. He wanted to disprove this, partly because I was wrong, and partly due to the popularity of a woman named Marie Carmichael Stokes. And Marie's expertise was in paleobotany, but she is best known for founding Britain's first family planning clinic and for writing a best selling and quite controversial sex manual in

nineteen eighteen called Married Love Now. According to Mary Roach, Stops wrote Married Love while she was a virgin, so maybe didn't know what the hell she's talking about. Um. Apparently, her nineteen eleven marriage to Reginald Ruggles Gates was annulled unconsummated in nineteen fourteen, but we found another article from the BBC that says that Reginald did not contest the annulment, but he did push back in court against stops as

claims that he was impotent. He called her quote super sex to a degree that was almost pathological, and saying, quote, I could have satisfied the desires of any normal woman by the time we had done with four play, I'm exhausted. I don't know, Reginald. It's kind of kind of sounds like what a guy would say if he can't keep

his lighty satisfied. It's like a normal woman who only wants to have sex once a year would be very happy with the Marie also apparently had an affair with a Japanese man in nineteen oh seven, So anyway, she may have known a lot about sex when she wrote this manual, but most importantly, she was a very renowned scientist. She was globally known. She was a birth control pioneer,

so a lot of people read her work. So when Stops put out an article in nineteen thirty one called quite Whole Interlocking, where she claimed to have seen with her own eyes forty eight examples of the cervix opening wide and quote closing round the glands, penis as a result of the stress of sexual excitation. Um. Probably a lot of people believed her. How could you see that? I don't know, I'm wondering the same thing. Excuse me, could you just move your penis slightly to the left,

hair inside that vagina. I've got to peer down and look at the cervics as it's chomping up all the fruits and eating ghosts. Also, the field of fertility was kind of just getting started around this time, and the going knowledge among physicians was that if you failed to interlock the dick with the cervix, that's what kept you from getting pregnant. So Dickinson was like, please let me

please show y'all that this is incorrect. So she's saying it's like docking a spaceship, like you've got somebody up there on Apollo sixty nine saying we're making the approach, we were about to insert and make contact and luck with the cervics. Stand by procervic opening, four degrees, lateral rotation, ful thrusters, sexy stuff. It's really good, really sexy sic stuff. Yeah,

and then you get this locking. Mary Roach says that a copy of Stokess article was found among Dickinson's papers with like exclamation marks all over it, like as he was reading it, he was furious by everything. He was just emojiing the whole thing. Unfortunately, for fertility, Dickinson's research proved that head on penis to cervix contact and spoiler alert is actually pretty rare, so they could turn their

attention to other causes of infertility. But otherwise we were still in cylindrical vagina territory, right, Okay, so everybody's still seeing the whale throat exactly. Everyone's used about what shape is going on in there. Well, in nineteen seventy four, the m r I, or the Magnetic Resonance Imaging Machine was introduced with an image of a student's finger. Somebody was like, I gotta see what's going on in there.

I get it. Fingers are cool. So a full body scanner became the number one priority, and that was completed only three years later. This machine enabled scientists and doctors to see inside your body without cutting you open, which is revolutionary stuff that left those poor cadavers just feeling gutted. Get it, because they weren't. I bet all the living people were like, I approved, yes, And this brings us back to the guy from our beginning of our episode,

Peck van andel In. Peck is a Dutch physiologist and one day while he was in his lab, he was looking at this cross sectional m R I of the professional singer's mouth and throat while she sang inside one of the m R I tubes. And this made him think of Leonardo da Vinci's coition figures, and he started to wonder if it was possible to quote take such

an image of human coitus. Such a scientist's way of wondering, that I do love that throat made him think of he was sitting he was watching Pinocchio, and he was like M Vagina's you know, I think of one thing every time I watched Pinocchio. I got one thing on my mind. So Peck decided to team up with a gynecologist and a radiologist and he picked up the phone to call his friend, anthropologist Ida Sabellis. He told her he wanted to create a piece of body art using an m R I to make an image of the

female reproductive tracked during coitus. And you know, would maybe her and her boyfriend be willing to be the subjects of his artwork and that's an awkward phone call. I mean us the weather. What do you plan on doing this Christmas? Cool? Cool? Cool quick question? Um, do you guys want to fucking side to make magnet for me? But it's it's not it's nothing weird. It's weird for art for arts, for art. How many artists have said that? I know? Right? And if anybody wants to come have

sex on our podcast for art, give us a call. Um. Vice writes that Pack kept stressing to Ida how no one had ever used the m R I to see this process before. He just kept repeating quote, it's never been done never. They kept wondering if they could do it, never wondered if they should do it. I'd have told Vice that she was definitely at least skeptical. This is a really weird call to get I don't know where

from your best friend's partner. But she's also like a passionate scientist as well, and she had spent her youth campaigning for women's rights, so she was very intrigued as well. She's probably thinking to herself image me, like what are your French girls? Jack? She also was like, you know,

Peck has a medical research degree. He co invented an artificial cornea, so he's got some cred and he also had access to an m R I machine helpful, and, as Vice writes, quote the academic gravitas to ensure the project wouldn't become porn very important. So she and her boyfriend Jup had a long talk and they finally agreed to take part. But before we jump into the lab, let's just take a quick break and we will be

right back the welcome back everyone. So i'd and Jup joined Peck and his partners in a city called Groningen, where they'd be doing the experiment at the local hospital there. Ida describes device that she was just, you know, making small talk with the scientists when she got a little like exasperated. She said, quote, I realized I was the only woman in the room. That was like, of course, I'm the only woman in a study about women's bodies.

Classic science problem. Um. But this also got her moving, you know. She clapped her hand on her boyfriend Juke's back, and she said, quote, so shall we get on with it then? So Juke ran off to p real quick. The scientists took out the retractable metal tray in the machine, and when Juke got back, he and Ida got undressed and they climbed in naked. Now, a traditional MRI machine has an opening about sixty inches in a diameter, so

it's pretty cramped in there. Anybody has ever got an m R I. I've had a couple, and yet it never had one. It's tight, it's a little plastic to you gotta slide into. Some people have serious claustrophobia. Yeah, they start talking about wide yeah, mr yeah, because people do get so uncomfortable. Right. I'd a talked Peck out of doing it missionary style because she said, quote, it is a position for me that produces hardly any arousal anyway, Jupe would have been too heavy in that tiny tube.

Logistical issues of missionary So they wriggled in this tiny little hole, asked to groin in a spooning position. It's funny, this cylindrical tube they had to climb into makes me think of a vagina. They're like, we're gonna find out today if the vagina is shaped exactly like this, it's kind of like one of those those Russian dolls, you know, smaller one inside of and then we'll have a whale swallow this m r I machine. Oh my god, we

have ultimate vagina. Ultimate vagina. Well, they're in the machine. They're asked to growing kind of spooning. And then the three researchers went into the operator's booth. The intercom crackle Dawn and Ida and Jupe heard can you hear us? And Ida response yes, ready, when you are. I wonder if Jupe was like, how about I say when we're ready? Because Jupe was really worried that he wouldn't be able

to get an erection under these circumstances. This is not a very comfortable, sexy place to be doing the sight, but he did manage it. Good for you, dube Ida told Vice, quote, it became pleasantly warm in the tube, and we truly succeeded in enjoying each other in a familiar way. Now, there are some things to know about an m r I machine, so we can really put ourselves here in this story. Um, so let's take a

speed date with science searching for connection. M r I machines work by creating a strong magnetic field, which makes the abundant hydrogen protons in our bodies aligne as Box writes,

quote like a needle in a compass. Metal coils inside the machine generate a specific frequency of radio waves that momentarily alters the behavior and orientation of these protons, and Fox continues, quote, When that radio signal is shut off, the hydrogen protons realign with the magnetic field, and in doing so, amid radio waves that communicate their position in the body and the type of tissue in which they reside. Okay, I'm just gonna keep saying, okay, as if it sounds

like I know what you're talking about, you following me. Well, basically they're mapping the protons by hitting them with with this magnetization, and then the radio waves come back and they've basically given them a picture of where everything is in the body. And fortunately radio waves are not harmful the way X ray you know, X rays and seat he scans can be had um And those metal coils vibrate when the electric current is turned on and off, and that makes an m r I machine insanely loud.

Vice describes it, quote, It's like a box full of charged hula hoops jumping around and clanging together, making it probably the loudest piece of medical equipment in existence. And on top of all that the m R I machine that Jip and Ida were using was actually an older model that required the subjects to lie perfectly still for a full minute in order to capture an image. Oh my god, we lie still for a full minute in the middle of sex. Sex is over. I've lost interest sleep,

it's late, it's been a long day passing out. So picture it from Elizabeth, that ridiculous crime. Just picture it. Picture Jupe and Ida are doing it in this tiny, insanely loud, plastic tube with three grown men watching everything they do from behind a glass window. And sometimes they just have to stop, with Jup inside her trying to maintain his erection for a full minute and wait when the intercom would say things like, quote, the erection is

fully visible, including the route pulled that pose. You know, they laughed a lot route, but they managed it. They did it after forty five minutes. As Ida describes it, quote, the microphone is telling us that we may come insofar as possible, and that we only have to inform them in connection to the photo. We burst out in a roar of laughter, and some moments later we do what is the purpose my favorite description of sex. Do what

is the purpose. I love it, and also that they were like, okay, feel free to come if you can, but let us know so we can take a photo. But when I just saw the images, which I assume it's like when you get off Splash Mountain and you go they've got the four screens up there and they're showing everybody your pictures. Do you want to eight by ten a couple of wallet sizes? I bet she did take a by ten home. She saw these, and she was so happy, she told Vice quote. It was like, oh,

that's how we fit together. They were beautiful. I could see my womb and then there was jupe in a place that I knew from my own sensation. Just below the cervix. There was very clear features of both our insides, including the boundary between both our bellies. It showed so much detail it made me speechless. That is cute though, to be like, oh, like like you know, it's not pornographic or something. To her, she's like, look at how well this works. It makes sense, it feels good, and

it looks good. I guess. I mean if you see like I've seen um, like I've had kidney stones a couple of times and I've had I've had some ultrasounds on my kids, and you sit there and I feel, you know, the joke obviously is like, oh is it a boy or girl? You know kind of thing. But you sit there and you're watching your own organs doing their thing, and there's something really fascinating about it. Yeah, you're like, oh man, that thing's keeping me going. Good

for you? Were you like, oh cute, that's how it fits in there? Yeah, so cute. But the detail that most interested Peck van Andel in these scans was, as Vice rites quote, JIP's penis had been forced into a curved boomerang shape from inside JIP's own body. It assumed an angle of about a hundred and twenty degrees, which was something Leonardo da Vinci had never drawn, And at that moment Peck knew they had achieved something more significant

than an arts project. They'd rewritten around five hundred years of anatomical assumptions. Take that, da Vinci, Pretty amazing. That's crazy boomerang shaped. Yeah, I guess it. Can you throw it and it keeps coming back to you? Makes it makes sense to me clearly for Ida Juke Dick is always coming back. I mean they could do it for forty five minutes inside a plastic machine with three people watching them. I'm impressed, say their sex life is pretty good.

Pretty good. Boomerang my dick right back there too. It's like, give me an hour and we can go again. So Peck is all excited about this. Peck and his team immediately right up their findings. They credited Ida as co author sense and they sent them off to the science journal Nature, who refused to publish it. Unfortunately, many many examples through history of sex science getting running straight into the wall of prudishness, general prudishness, and they have a

really hard time getting published. So Peck thought, you know, I'll build up my research. We'll get more subjects. Um. He also got permission to use a different hospital all that had a newer m R I machine. It only required a twelve second pause in the action rather than a minute, so he's like, surely will be more successful with this. But then Dutch tabloids heard about this and

they started running fake stories about the project. Mary Roach says that they were quoting patients with life threatening conditions who claimed they were having to wait for their m R eyes because creepy sex researchers were tying up the machine. Come on, this was total bullshit, Peck says. They always used the machine after hours, so nobody was ever you know, there's nobody going to use it anyway at that time. But even so, the hospital rescinded their permission because it's

just too much backlash. They were like, we don't want to be involved. Peck told Vice quote, it was completely disappointing. We found an unexplored area of research, and no one wanted to let us finish the work because they were afraid of how it would look on their resumes. Probably a bunch of jealous virgins too, who didn't want to want to admit that they didn't know how sex works. They were like, the more people can explain it, the harder it's going to be for me to lie about

all the sex I'm having. Listen, if it's not a cylinder, I don't know what's going on in there. I've been telling all my buddies down at the bar after work every day. Oh yeah, I was in all kinds of straight cylinders. The other night. It was like a pac man grabbing my dick from the end on the inside. Felt amazing. You guys will love it all the other side just oh yeah in the cylinder, you know, it's just like Pinocchio. Yeah, always thought so. Uh So Peck

decided he was not going to give up. He spent months lobbying the Groningen Hospital management to get back to their hospital because they had upgraded their m R I machines so they wouldn't have to use their old one minute wonder, you know, turn all the guys into one minute one U. The head of the women's medicine and the head of radiology both finally said yes on the condition that Peck keep the project a secret and didn't publish anything. They're like, we don't want those virgins finding out.

They'll they'll be terrible. So Peck told Vice that he said yes, figuring that he would quote crossed the hurdle on publication once he got to that point, I'll figure out how to lie. But then another problem presented itself. None of Peck's subsequent subjects could maintain their erections in that tiny loudass tube. Jupe was really special. That project was effectively shelved until when Bia Grow was released. Peck got his hot little hands on the Boner pill and

resumed research, finally got his wider study. But literally they called it a godsend, Yeah, a lot of Yeah. In all, Vice writes, quote, eight couples and three single women had sex in the hospital's m r I a total of thirteen times. Which did the single women have sex with other people? Or I actually don't know. I'm assuming that they maybe used a tool because he really wanted to see the female reproductive tracks, So maybe it didn't matter if it was a fan's dick. You know, it's just

like a dildo or something. We put a little camera inside this jack rabbit. We're gonna go in. Um. I did wonder if I was like when I first read it, I was like with each other or like, were they just in their alone masturbating and they were like, we just want to see what it's like, what goes on when there's no dick in there? Maybe too, like we want to see what an orgasm looks like without the penetration. What happens when we leave three single women inside an

m r I machine together? Oh, do we have a new reality show about to get started? Well, After eight years and three failed submissions, the British Medical Journal finally published the team's paper Magnetic resonance Imaging of male and female genitals during coitus and Female Sexual Arousal, and it was published on Christmas Eve of the Sexiest Night Christmas. So what did Peck discover in all this research besides boomerang shaped dick? Right, well, let's take a quick break

and we'll find out right after this. Welcome back to the show, everybody, Okay, So Peck was able to prove not only that dicks don't usually slide into the cervix um, but that they do have to conform to the female shape. They don't just go straight in and out like Leo thought. But a couple of other things were uncovered as well. Firstly, the effect of sex on a woman's bladder. Even though all of the women had you is the bathroom before getting busy in the m r I, every single one

of them had a full bladder by the end. It was super super consistent. But to this day, scientists aren't really sure why. Peck told Vice quote, we think it might be evolutions way to force women to urinate after sex. Perhaps our ancestors developed this function to avoid urinary tract infections. But that's only a hypothesis. I wonder if they considered, um, the very interesting fact that woman's bladder is full every fifteen minutes anyway, Um, and you constantly have to be

all the time, never stops. Not all ladies are built like me. Okay, I'm built different again, I'm just built different. But not only that. Mary Roach writes that quote. Before these m R I s. Few had realized how much of the penis lies hidden below the surface of the skin. The root is nearly two thirds again the length of the pendulous part. So she continues, quote, if your erection is, say six inches long, go ahead and say it's ten. I'll back you up. Oh thanks, Mary, damn it, Mary,

you're out here ruining tender date's all over the world. Hey, according to Mary Roach, I'm a foot and a half log. It goes all the way up to my brain. You can't see the root, but I tell you it's there now. Mary Roach herself was part of a similar experiment around two thousand eight in writing her book The Curious Coupling of Sex and Science. Y'all scientists have got to get sex here with your book titles. By the way, sorry, but these are always so just like, oh wow, you

made the science of sex sounds so exciting. Honestly, this is so funny to me because it's like the way acade the academic world and the regular world don't quite mix. Um. I've seen so many people be like, why are every sex therapist or sexologist or sex researcher is always like kind of an old lady who nobody would want to suck. Yeah, people said about like Dr Ruth and stuff like people are always talking shit. I don't think that myself. I'm

just saying the stereotype. But you know, if you if you're looking at what Peck is saying, they had to wrap it in the most academic, dry, boring ship in order to get it published, whereas regular people who need to read it don't want to read that. I'm like, where's the citizens Medical Journal Where I'm like, no, I don't tell me the sexy part, freaky make a freaky Yes, tell me the freaky dicky ship. Let Nicki minaj retranslate here or Nicky Glazer. I feel like we know a

lot more agreed. A creed is so dry, but I guess that makes sense if you had to do it. Yeah, I bet Dr Ruth gut busy back in the day. You know she did. That's how they know. I don't know. We're gonna we're gonna do another I've uncovered so many fun sex researcher stories, um that we're going to do another episode later on about them, and you'll see they they often had to use themselves as the subject. So yeah, I got some experiments. I need to run myself actually,

so get ready. So as I was saying, Mary Roach was part of a similar experiment in two thousand and eight, and in writing her book The Curious Coupling of Sex and Science, she learned about a scientist named Jing Deng who was a senior lecturer in medical physics at University College London. And this guy has been able to capture for the ultrasound footage of anatomical structures like beating hearts

and an erecting penis. The point of imaging genitals is to help diagnose and treat issues like Payrone's disease, which can cause painful and crooked erections. But Dang wants to go further, and he wants to capture ultrasound imaging of real time human intercourse because, aside from the fact that it just sounds cool to him. Uh. He thinks it could be useful to diagnose and figure out the cause of things like disparunia or painful intercourse with clear images

of what's going on in there. He hypothesizes, you know, maybe we can figure out why intercourse is painful and maybe even fix it. Although I worry for Dr Dang here saying, I don't know. Every time I have sex, women say it's painful, but we just can't figure out the cause. Oh lord, poor ductr Dang, Doctor Dang, you ever asked them? Nope, there's no reason, there's no answer. No one can figure it out. It's a total medical mystery.

I'm sure other people. Yes, it's a serious problem. So Mary, reading this, she reached out to Dang and asked if she could witness his first scan as research for her book and to her supper eyes. Dang responded and said he'd be happy to let her watch if she could just find him some participants for her to watch. So Mary had a conversation with her husband and they decided

to volunteer themselves. And I like Ida and Juke. They lay spooning asked to groin, She writes, quote on the wall, someone has hung a painting of a hillside harbor town, as though by looking at it we could convince ourselves that we were on the Amalfi coast, or just as good that Dang was try and imagine me far awaywhere not in the room with you. He gave Mary's husband

Ed a Maxim magazine to get him going. He was like, this is very erotic, and Mary was like, I guess the side of his wife in a freaking medical gown. It's not a sexy thing. I don't know. And then they joked with the doctor about like where's the candles and the soft music and all the sexy curtains or whatever, and he seemed like kind of comically disappointed that he could not provide I did to them. Then she writes, quote, he brightens, I can turn on my laptop. I have

the soundtrack to lay Miss. Oh yeah. Nothing gets me going like the proletariat who is getting busy to the sastrack play Miss, please write it immediately, Romance Amail Well, Mary and Ed got themselves into position, and Dang took the still images first, holding the ultrasound wand up to Mary's belly. She wrote quote, we must hold still for several seconds, like victorians posing for a de Guerat type. Dr Dang instructs Ed to quote, please make some sort

of movement in and out. Oh, thank you for the instruction. But at one point he has to reboot the ultrasound. Mary writes, quote, fortunately it only takes a few seconds, sparing Ed the necessity of also rebooting. Everybody has such fun ways of not saying hard penis, She continues, quote, Ed keeps up an idle, disaffected rhythm. He and Dang chat about their children. I'm taking notes or half of me is. I feel like a secretary and a rivaled French comedy. And then she goes on and writes this

conversation that Ed and the doctor are having. She says, Oh, you look so young to have a fifteen year old? How old are you? Oh, I'm in August and the little one? How old you could ejaculate? Now? How uncomfortable? Brutal? Also can you ejaculate under that? I mean, like, how do you have an orgasm? I'll tell you this I don't want to find out. Okay, fair enough, all right? He realizes, like Mri, I sex for our marriage is off the table. Well, how much does it pay? Uh?

Mary goes on to say that, however useful, these ultrasound images maybe quote, they bore no more relation to sex than a smile held for a camera. Us to the real thing. Ultrasound movies are a superficial rendering of the complex and varied body mind belt that we call sex. That's very interesting. Like you can't not it can't not be staged, right, yeah, like this is still a performative version of sex. Yeah. Well, and she's like, I mean again,

he's keeping up a disaffected rhythm. He's barreling here. You know, I'm barely here. It's a total mechanics. You have to invent a bed that is also an m r I that you know, you just use every night, and you just have to normalize it, right, and there's no pausing and no intercom. It just has to take a full recording and then they go they scrub through it later. That's that's the future. Then you can really get or maybe they need to bring in some candles and lament

playing lamit. Heck, why have you thought about that? Well, what I thought was interesting was that Ita said something kind of simil or to Mary Roach. Now ed Mary Roach's husband a lot like Peck van Andel's subjects had to use viagra to get through this little experiment um and Ida takes it as a point of pride that she and Jupe are like the only couple to manage without viagra. They were like the only people to do this without needing that bone or pill. Okay Ida takes

it as a point of pride. I mean, you know the way to go, Ida, I feel like that's more Juke's accomplishments. But that's just me. It is funny. Ida is Um is a co author of this paper. Jupe is not Um. I don't know if that's just because he's not a scientists. He was like, I'm good, I'm all right, Um, But it's still it's the number one

thing that she cited for in other papers. So anyway, one of Peck's team kind of theorized that Ida and Jup were able to do this experiment without viagra because they had a background in performance as amateur street acrobats. So he's like, first of all, you're used to performance anxiety, and second of all, you can like bend your bodies and unusual case, and that makes you able to like

perform in this tiny tube and stuff. Like that you have the stamina and the flexibility to actually through with this sext for real. Maybe that's why Peck chose her, Maybe that's why he called her. He's like, she's a scientist, she's also an acrobat, and she's in a loving relationship currently whose has all three of mr Sex. But Ida doesn't mention her acrobatic background at all. For her, it comes down to something a little harder for science to measure. Harder,

she told Vice. Quote for me, the experiment was also a testimony to mine and JIP's happiness. I think that's something the paper missed, how connected a couple must be to perform under those kinds of conditions. So, as Mary concludes, quote, sex is far more than the sum of its moving parts. Interesting and I found that really cool that both those women had a very similar reaction to it. Scientifically, this is very interesting. But I can't say that that sex

had anything to do with sex. In my mind, when I think of having sex, that's not It looks nothing like that, it feels nothing like that, And I wonder I kind of wish that they had asked Jupe or any of the men involved how they felt, you know, emotionally about that sex first, is the physicality of it? Yeah, yeah, definitely, because I know it's much more a question and female sexual arousal the emotion and the your mind set and stuff. Oh yeah, they never asked men. It's like, just get

the blood down there and you're good to go. Uh yeah. And in fact, I I'd even pushed back a little bit against Ida's statement there. I don't I don't know if she's really saying this, But in terms of their ability to perform, you know, without any medical assistance, is not a testimony to their happiness, because surely plenty of couples are you know, very happy together but still could use some assistance in the m R I machine while they're trying to have sex, you know, like right or

even just in their in their own bedrooms. Like it's not really reflective of of the quality of your relationship, but you know, it's good for them. I think that's true. But I do that She was like, you know, it wasn't about anything like that. We just we're able to put it aside. You know, we had we had enough feeling between us that we're able to like kind of ignore that. She's being modest they're super human freaks, is

really what it comes down to. Minutes with full minute long pauses throughout three dudes watching you and commenting the whole time with scientific terminology, like the root is exposed, like, no, they're not normal, and she still came yeah, and she's just like, well, it just comes down to the fact that we're just you know, we have a really strong romance. I'm like, now, no, it's more than that. Oh, that's outrageous speculation. Station. I just got a boy your thing.

She wants real to watch it, like that's the longest they've ever lasted. Oh ship, yeah, Juvenida. Both they're like, finally, let's not tell them, but we've been waiting for someone to ask us to have sex in front of them. They start volunteering for all kinds of weird sexperiments. Just do it upside down? Yeah, what a sex look like underwater? We'll do it. We'll do what we're acrobats. Fascinating. This

is such a cool story. I I really it was really interesting to learn more about just the mechanics and how little we understood about I was very surprised to hear that people thought of vagina was shipped like a cylinder were you I was. I don't know why you knew that wasn't the case. I don't. I don't know that I knew it, But I don't think that's what

I would have drawn for you. Yeah, you know, it's interesting sometimes we see a lot of these like uh, and they're funny videos, but people be like I went out on the street and asked men if they know how cervical contraction or some crazy ship works, and they have the stupidest answers, and I'm like, I I don't feel like I need to know that. Personally, I don't know things about my own body and I'll make it through my whole life just fine without knowing those extreme details. Obviously,

I wouldn't then decide to legislate those body parts. And I know that's where a big part of that comes from. But also like the idea of like mocking people for not having a robust education in the specific details, like I don't know, why would I know the shape of a vaginal canal? But I mean, I'm just saying as opposed to. But I'm just saying as opposed to like, you know, they thought for hundreds of years, right, I mean,

what you know, that is a good point. Even gynecologists thought it was still shaped and that you went straight in and out. You know, they just didn't. I guess the real story is how long it takes for anyone to give a funk about how it works for women, you know, and a lot of sex scientists science is about like, oh, I guess we'll finally see what an orgasm is for ladies, Like what is loud? I just finally kind of. I think we just saw headlines like a month ago where science was like, you know what,

we don't know shit about the clitter is. We really don't know anything. We know nothing. I guess we should start looking at it. Y'all think more than half of the world has one. And they took like one look in like day two, they were like, holy shit, it's so different. We thought it was huge. Yeah, that it didn't take you very long, not at all. You could just look. Why didn't anyone think to look at this

before be interested? I don't know, um, but yeah, that that sort of was kind of the interesting thing to me is that literally, you know, we had a drawing from five hundred years ago that everyone was like, yeah, sure, why why look into it. Why I check this guy's work. He's Leonardo da Vinci. You know why not? It was five dred years ago. We've learned a lot of things

since then. Everything's fine. Women are clearly fine. There's no reason to look any further, fully satisfied, all the women of the world having no medical issues related to this lack of knowledge. Fascinating. Um, But yeah, I think that's really cool that there are people brave enough to do that. I can have sex and m R Machine with anybody watching. Maybe there's no way. So I'm very glad that I don't.

I didn't you found found their four yearism deep within or whatever one to your point about mocking people, I was thinking about this the other day because the internet is so mean. As you know, if someone doesn't know something or they say something kind of ill advised, people will share it and be like, look that this dumbass, you know, And sometimes you find out that the person that is talking is maybe really young or something like they just don't know. You feel like they're like a

sixty seven year old man saying some ship. And I kind of thought to myself, like, I do wish that we would sort of decide that learning is a fun thing, like in teaching people is fun. And if someone is like has a question or is confused about something, instead of being like, well, this fucking moron, Like instead of being like, oh, I have a chance to tell you something, I know this, I actually know this, and I can tell you the answer. You know, it's way more I

don't know, pleasant experience for everyone involved. Um And I do it too. So I was kind of telling myself. I was like trying to remember that learning is fun. Teaching can be fact fact. Like if you were to go out on the street and ask women what they thought of cervix looked like, or to point one out, I bet a lot of women couldn't do it either. I mean, you know, we also don't get a lot

of information about our reproductive system. Um. And in doing this research, they were saying the cylinder thing really mad because on like tampon boxes, they still show tampon go straight in and out. There's it's a cylinder like it's just goes straight in. There's no question about how it works. So it is like there there are probably plenty of women and girls who grow up thinking, yeah, it's just I guess it's a cylinder and the dick goes straight

in and out. I hadn't thought about it, really, but if I thought about it, I guess sure, why not. In fact, it's like a corkscrew. Whoa Jeremy Barony, Jeremy a woman's reproductive tract. It's like a Jeremy Barrey. Yeah, yeah, the time nice, we've all seen it. Well, I hope you'll learned something about vaginas today. Right about penises too, true, true cones out the female body does make them change shape. Yeah, and the male body is uh, everyone's penis is longer

than they thought it was. Yeah, there's celebration in the stream. Schools are closed for the day national holiday, international holiday, and then all over the world, thrilled to learn, parades in every capital city. You know. That's I really feel like, in the right period of time, if you had to learn this, that was exactly what happened. Oh, we can have like the Japanese penis festival. We have a big

penis festival in Japan. Here, we could have that, but it's like, look, it's actually double the size that you thought about. They're like, and yeah, yeah, something about women too. Anyway, whatever Dick cares well, look, please let us know what you'all thought of this episode and this information. Uh, send us a diagram of what you think vaginal canal and cervix look like and we'll post on our Instagram and not mock you. We will be too pleasantly teach you

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