You're lucky. I wasn't recording as you sang that highly trademarked jingle. We'd be in big trouble right now, big trouble. Yeah. Or maybe they'd be like, oh my god, we should be sponsoring you. Oh yeah, you're the You're the next Brian Cox. Brian Cox was the voice of that particular fast food chain whose yellow arches will remain unnamed until I get that money. Money comes in. Come on, Oh my body hurts. Acting is a physical feat. Let's tell
you that much. Your body is your instrument. Yeah, yep. And I do not clean it properly. I don't have a nice case to keep it in. I don't prepare it. I just abuse it and then go why isn't it working? Yeah? Right now, elis in a show this week, and I got to see it last night and it was so fun and hilarious and you were really great in it. It's a good one. I think we mentioned it in the last episode. But yeah, that we take robin Hood and one of the actors gets drunk before we start.
We just have to figure it out, accommodate whatever the drunkie wants to change, come in and do whatever they want to the show. Uh, and then you saw the one last night with the Sheriff. It was a great one for me to be attending as a host of ridiculous romance because by the end of it, Robin was in a I guess you call it a try at yeah try with Prince John and the Sheriff of Nottingham and Marian was just left behind. But yes, it was very, very fun. Yeah, I'll be fun doing this all weekend
and hopefully turns into a regular thing. Right, So keep your eyes out for Tipsy Tales because that's what the show is called, and they'll do a different tale I think maybe next time. Well, in the spirit of that, we've got something of a different episode this this week, which is cool. In the midst of our collect series that we're doing on Wednesdays, we decided to look at some sort of like more contemporary, like like right now
stories like in the news. These things are happening currently, and maybe they don't warrant a full biographical, in depth dive in and of themselves, but they were also stories we couldn't just leave behind and not talk about. Yeah, they just kind of cut our interest, I guess you could say, And some of them. I know, I'll probably be keeping an eye out for further developments. You know, it's going to keep There's gotta be some more coming down the pipe. So it's sort of what would you
call it, like a grab bag? What there's got to be a term for it for this kind of episode, A little love box this weekend. Yeah, because they're all very this week headlines, I believe, Yeah, but this weekend is boring. We need like a ridiculous romance version of this, like a like a you know, uh like like what's a sexual grab bag? You know, her romantic ah, kink sack. I don't know what you call kink sack we bring to you know, obviously not I don't want to reach
into a kink sack. If somebody walks up with a kink sack, I'm gonna say, first, dump it out. I want to see exactly. I'm not picking a kink out of a bag sight unseen. Hey maybe that's your kink, and that's fine too. Hey, if that's your kink, then the kink sack is for you. That's not my kink. I need to know as much information as possible before I make a decision and it's you've presented to me. I'm going to go do some research and i'll check back with you in three to six weeks and we'll
decide whether or not we're going to do this. I'll probably talk myself out of it. All right. Well, then it's this week's um oh what do you call him? Um? This week's fun bag of really really setting the the energy level. Here's the tips of the news this week. Oh good, UM, I should have thought about this, I know I can't think of anything. You know what, Um, why don't you tell us? This is this week? It's just a random sampling of stories that we found. We'll
probably do these once a month or so. So if you've got a good title for this segment, send it our way. We'll use it, will credit you, um, and then well we'll use somebody else's the next time. Unless it's so good we we can't ever get away from it again. But uh yeah, now this is it a terminal winner, proof to everyone that you're more clever than we are. Give us a snappy title for these episodes of weekly stories, So send it in and enjoy this episode. Yeah,
let's go, Yeah, let's do this. Hey, the French come listen. Well, Elien and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no matchmaking, no romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationship, a love. It might be any type of person at all, and abstract cons that dront a concrete wall. But if there's a story with a second clinch ridiculous role that a production of I Heart Radio. Well, first and foremost, we do have to put ourselves into corrections corner. You're such
a loser. Yes. In our last episode, in our collect part one, we tarnished the names of some amazing artists, I guess, but not really. But we did say that John Grisham, who is a very prolific novelist, employees ghost writers. We implied it. We implied it again much like Willie Collett's husband, uh employed ghostwriters and never actually wrote a word himself. Right. But I did look this up whilst I was editing the episode. Was like, wait a second,
did it? Does John Grisham goes? Right? Because I mean the man puts out a lot of books. Right. Well, found an interview with him, uh that he says he does not use ghostwriters. He just has a very rigid schedule. The man is is very type A. He just has a format and he sticks to it. He says he gets most of his writing done in January, February, and March. He's usually ready for publication by July. He gets up and it's seven am. He's in his office, which is
a separate building from his house. Because he's John Grisham, he can have a separate office building from his house, a different building. He says. There's no phones, no internet, no facts, is nothing coming in um. He just gets up, has the same exact cup of coffee every day, seven am, he says. From seven to ten. That's his like golden hours. And he gets so much done. He says, a good day he'll work, he'll get two thousand words written. A bad day is a thousand and for me, like a
good day is two hundreds. So come on a good day? Is I wrote at all? A good day? As I opened a document and sat and stared at a blank page for ten minutes and went maybe tomorrow. That's pretty good for me. I know it's in me. Uh. John Grisham also does not start the first scene. He doesn't start writing unless he knows the last scene. The man has already got the story in his head when he goes so he's just blows through. Yeah, so you know who knew the ridiculous romance are going to tune in
and learn something about how John Grisham works. Okay, for real, who knew? But like I was like, wow, I want John Grisham's life where I just write for three months and then I'm off the rest of the year. But clearly that's not really true. He's got to think about the story and his research with the internet, I imagine at some point and all that ship before he ever
sits down to actually write out the story. We also implied that some big name film composers often used ghost composers, and while that is true, um, and we didn't say his name, but I decided to just check on like John Williams, the great John Williams, John who is still
cranking out classic tunes left and right. Here's the thing about John Williams, and I love me so John Williams, but he he there is a bit of a formulator where he's like, I wrote a really catchy sixteen bars of music, and now the trumpets are going to play it, and then the violins are going to play it, and then the saxophones are gonna play whatever is an orchestra. But that's not all he does. The man does amazing Jurassic Park, one of the best film scores of all time.
Very true. I mean, come on, come on, what are we talking about here anyway? So don't denigrate no, And he I found another composer, Richard Gibbs, who's a TV composer, movie composer. He did like Ten Things I Hate About You, Battlestarc Galactica. He's worked in The Simpsons. He talked a lot about John Williams, and he's like, this guy is
meticulous and detailed, and he does it all. He does it all, But there is an orchestrator other just totally off brand lesson for you today because I've learned it and I thought it was interesting. The orchestrator is the person who comes in. It's like, okay, John Williams wrote this whole piece. He says, the trumpets come in here, the flutes come in here. I determine how many players, how many trumpeters are playing in this moment, or how many flutes and stuff to kind of balance out the
melody and the accompaniment. We did kind of learn a little bit about that from our Hector Berlio's because people said he was a very good orchestrator, and they did not agree that he was a great composer, but they all agreed he was a fantastic orchestrator. And I definitely was like, those are two different things. Like I thought that was sort of the job of the composer, right, I guess that makes sense to bring someone else in
and be like, no, you it's not full enough. I need more of this, or like there's just way too many violins, John, what are you doing? Well, I'm glad we got ourselves. We put ourselves in corrections corner today. I just caught those those names. Just wanted to double back on that research and a bit of a fact check. Yeah, well, you know you don't want to be talking ship and
getting hit, that's for sure. YEA. Also clear the names the great John Grisham and John Williams, the two of our Johns, two of our great John's, greatest John's the twentie century. I don't think I've ever read a John Grisham book myself. I don't know that I have either it. I might have to think of it. Nothing's coming to mind. I can only name the firm. Okay, yeah, and I'm just thinking of the movie, which I also didn't see, so right to cruise the firm, That's all I know.
I actually always thought I might make a good ghostwriter because if I write, if I read a certain author for a while, like if I'm like going a Stephen king Kick or Kurt ronni get kicked. This used to happen when I wrote more. But I would read a bunch and then I would I realize that whatever I wrote afterward, it would be very much in their style. You will you will speak in the style of the books you're reading. Sometimes did you get very into like
Victorian era romantic conversation? And I don't think you realize it. They had cool turns of phrase, all right, the slang was on point. I was talking about like throbbing members. To throw a throbbing member into a regular conversation. Yeah, that lady of that poor lady. I was like, man, this is Wendy's, not that other fast food chain. Well not, you're named until they pay us. They pay Wendy's is free. Okay, all right, we've been we've been gabbing. We're having a
good time here. But we got some stories to get to. This one was pretty fascinating to me because I love the Animal Kingdom um and we've we've dabbled in bringing the Animal Kingdom into this show in the past. Very true, but this one really relates back to people. This is an article on CNN by Katie Hunt called how Zoology got female Animals wrong? And our goal is about a new book coming out by Lucy Cook called Bitch on the Female of the Species. So uh, really fascinating stuff here.
Lucy Cook is a British ziologist. She's a documentary filmmaker. She had a show on the BBC called Inside the bat Cave, which I would love to watch that I mean even obviously obviously probably not a bat cave, but she's like, this is the first batmobio. Then you'll see above. But I love that, you know, zol I just love Batman too, you know. Yeah, we could have more than
one interest. M My parents told me when they were younger about going to Carl's Bad Caverns in I want to say, Arizona or New Mexico, and it's one of those places where you go at sunset and at a very specific time of day all the bats fly out. I really want to see it. I would love to see it. I know that it might be a little scary if you get really close to your face, but like so I don't think they do either, but they go pretty high. It would be so cool to just
see them all you might. I wonder if you get bat shit on you though, guano excuse me, Well, it's worth something. Yeah if ace Ventura too, when nature calls, taught me anything superior that, Yeah, it's that guana is priceless. Priceless. Well, I think Ridiculous History just did a whole episode about like a war that was fought over bat ship. Yeah, so it really is worst off. Like, I don't know why I didn't listen to the episode yet, but I
was very interested. Well, at any rate, not entirely bats we're talking about here, But the book that she's got out now, this on the Female of the species, says that the sort of animal parallels that we often draw to ourselves based on sex have been actually pretty inaccurate.
Like this idea of an alpha male that goes out and does all the hunting and is like sexually dominant, while the females kind of hang back and nurse the young that need protecting, and all this stuff that's not necessarily true of it's kind of a blanket belief we have for the whole animal kingdom. But really that's not doesn't hold up to the research that she's been doing.
She was quoted in CNN as saying, I found it really gratifying to discover the diversity of the female experience and that it isn't governed by these sort of depressing patriarchal rules. Um. For example, she talks about, uh, they say, throngs of female animals, which is just a great word. Throngs um that seek that seek out sex with numerous partners. So you've got female animals like lions. A lioness is known to made up to a hundred times a day
with multiple male partners. When she goes out and she gets it, they don't last very long. Imagine, you can't do it a hundred times if you're doing it right, that's not enough minutes in the day. And if there is, let's try a little harder people, all right, She's like one of you all is gonna last long enough for it to matter. Next next damn, I did want to point out there's a. There was a meme going around about lioness biting a male's testicles if he doesn't perform
enough for her and his face. It was so like distress. Well, I found that the picture is real, but it's it's not what they say it is. It's actually a cub teasing it's father, which is very rude, a whole different kind of rude. But that females don't do that. They don't bite the male's testicles to encourage them to get back get back at it. Um. That would be a weird way to do it, because I feel like that would be very much a turn off. Well, now I
haven't wait a few minutes for the bruises to go down. Well, if you see that meme floating around, you can definitely well, actually that in the comments, take somebody something actually in the comments. Um. In addition to lions, Cook says that songbirds will be like monogamous in terms of them finding a partner to help build their nest and raise their eggs and things like that. But before they nest of female songbirds were talking sparrows, chicken ease, blue jays. You know, songbirds,
they're always out there singing. They them routinely have sex with multiple partners, and the actual nest once she and her partner monogamous partner build the nest, may have eggs from multiple fathers. Yeah, that's very weird. Um, even with the this, you know, single couple raising those chicks. So why you know this is one of the questions is
what's the biological evolutionary advantage of all this? The CNN articles, as quote, experts think female animals are driven to have sex with male suitors outside and inside their group to confuse paternity, which has the effect of protecting their young and may co opt male partners into babysitting and caring for they're young. So you're telling me that a song bird will just jump out and be like, I've been having so much sex with so many of you, I
don't know if here's the daddy, would be you? Who could be you? Now? All of you? Woo who can raise the baby with me? I'm sure that's what I'm going to assume. All the birds are saying now I hear them, sure, and I'll be like, alright, girl, you get that. The poor dads are like, I was just gonna go help Cinderella with her dress, help your baby and stood, oh these birds, what are they staying out there?
So yeah, so she'll she'll get one of these male partners to be like, look, you might be one of these dads, you may as well raise all these eggs. Damn's are Another one who found is chimpanzees. They have their their females are aggressively sexual. Uh, they only produce five or six chimps in their lifetime, but apparently they might have sex with dozens of of male chimps like
thousands of times in a lifetime. So just just a pleasurable experience for them getting out there getting some for themselves. Don't be limp because I'm a chimp. That's her tine. I'm awesome. Coco does Dallas, I shouldn't sully Coco's name like that. She's the sweetest sweet I will say, that's very interesting because I was about to say, you know, you're talking about like animals that produce many, many, many
many offspring every time. So I was like, well, I guess that's for you know, you gotta just kind of throw get as many as you can because some of them die, right, they have such short lifespans that you know, birds don't I don't know how long song birds live on average, but I don't think it's as long as like a parrot or anything. So you're like, Okay, we just got to make as many as possible. But it's interesting that they're seeing it in chimps to who have
more like people. They don't have thousands of babies or dozens of babies at a time. Yeah, their sex is not entirely for creation. Yeah, or maybe maybe it leans that way. I'm I no zoologists, but you know, it might be more like it's harder to get pregnant, so they have sex thousands of times just to have five or six chimps. But it does come off as a pleasurable or dominant experience for the females in these species. Too interesting. Yeah, these females get kind of brutal about
it too. Sometimes. They said that in uh mere cat clans, you know, uh mere cats pop up out of a hole, they stand up, they're super cute, Toman lion king. Um, well, the most famous of mere cats you can oh, yeah, definitely, I mean out of all the America. Do you remember mere cat manner? Wait? Paused, does anybody remember mere cat manner?
It was? It was a reality show Animal Planet where they followed a family of mere cats, and it was like it was just like any other reality show, following a family where you knew all the people, all the mere cats who lived in this in this whatever they're den is called. Did they vote them off or I don't think there was a voting off section, but I feel like there was some sat like some of them got chased out of the community, or maybe some of
them got snatched up by a lion or something. But there was a whole story, a season long arc about this family of mere cats, and you really learned their dynamics and how some would sometimes be squabbling and makeup and lovers paired around and stuff. Anyway, getting off topic, you were going to say, Oh, I was just gonna say, reality shows with people in them should take a lesson you have the other's chase amount just a nice voting up. Yeah, I want to see I'll be like, we have to
run you at a town. Well, mere cats, Uh, they are dominated by a single female who, apparently, as they say, monopolizes breeding in their community. This dominant female mere cat is like alpha female will prevent the other females from having any babies of their own. She instead like gets them to come and help care for her young. And once these other females reach their like reproductive age, that alpha female either kills them or, like we said, chases
them out of the community. Whoa yeah, Cook says quote it's called cooperative breeding, which always makes me laugh because it's not really so much. It's a little bit despotted. Yeah, what's cooperative about? I mean, I guess it's cooperative, But I don't know about co operative breeding. I know it's fun. It's smearcats, smearcat ladies. Meercats are like, I'm the only one around here. Collette might have been a mere cat, yeah,
a little bit. I mean she liked other women, but like she didn't want her man to have other women. A lot of times she didn't like that. I say, I say, she's like, I should be the only woman and other women cannot be my woman, but they can't be your woman. Another biologists Patricia Brennan from the University of Massachusetts Amherst. She is currently building a library of replica animal vaginas um, which she says is a vastly misunderstood body part. I think we can all agree there
nobody fully understands it. We barely know much about the female person's vagina. She's done all this specifically on duck and dolphin vaginas and um. She finds that they're not just you know, basic canals like we think of. And I've heard this before about duck males having corkscrew shaped penises and and that apparently evolved because females have very like labyrinthian vaginas. Um. She says, they're they're uniquely shaped with blind pockets and spirals, so there's like dead ends.
Again vagina is right. So so her thought is that these female animals are actually able to control who impregnates them. So even though there's a lot of coercion by the males for sex in these species, the females are still sort of in control, which she says, from a evolutionary standpoint, gives them the power. So she's talking about this and really really kind of breaking apart that's sort of ridge a Darwinian theories about male versus female participation in that evolution.
She says, quote, the stereotype of the alpha male is as damaging for men as it is for women. It boxes men into this idea that they're meant to be aggressive and competitive. Darwinian thinking is just a license for toxic masculinity. Interesting. Yeah, it is very interesting because it it is that kind of if we've been misunderstanding it
this whole time. This idea of the male comes in and says, now's the time for sex, and you're gonna make me a baby, and that's what you're here for, which a lot of male humans seem to believe that's kind of bullshit. That's not really reflective of the natural
order when you look any closer at it. They are and they say in this article, both of them, that they get a lot of pushback from the scientific medium, and they've got the research in front of them, They've got the videos and the studies and everything right there, and people just you know, are hesitant to hear it.
They really want to go with what they already thought was the way things are, the way they may maybe they have been basing their own behavior on all these years, right or like you know, you just like to think, you know things. When someone comes around with something new, it's uncomfortable. I mean, you see that in the scientific community all through history, is that they're like, we're very smart and learned, and we know what it means to peer study and research, and then you present it and
we just cannot. I will not so. And don't get me wrong that that is valuable because I mean strong evolution and this includes the evolution of knowledge demands resistance, right, You've got to be able to break through that resistance. So it's important that we don't just say anything toy who comes up and says, actually, it's this way, we go, okay, if you say so, like you know, you want to be like, well, you're going to have to fight to prove it um and then in theory the accurate stuff
will break through. You know, I don't think it always works like that, because of course we're people and we've got like those horrible um what do you call him, his opinions about things. Well, and you've got the church still with their hands up on the science community, and we've seen again and throughout history how that has limited right and learning. And we've seen throughout history when those
two things work together, and it's marvelous exactly. So it's it's just that that butting heads that can be a real problem sometimes. Well, this is fascinating. I also would say whatever. That male politician who said that when women don't get pregnant from rape because the women's bodies have ways of shutting that down. Um, I would apparently he's thinking of ducking of ducks because that is not the way a woman's vagina where he's like, I don't know, every time I get a pc a vagina, it's all
dead ends for me. So I thought it was the same thing. You know what, that guy's probably got a corkscrew penis, probably does with a corkscrew dick for sure. Well yeah, I mean that's definitely a brand new look
at the animal kingdom relationship between males and females. Uh, and hopefully it opens our minds a little bit right about our own or well, I guess that's her point, is that it should be able to open up our minds about our own sexuality and rules governing our behaviors and what's natural I guess, what's instinctive between the sexes, and of course not to be confused with gender the whole other category and a whole other thing. But um,
but yeah, yeah, I think it's really interesting to look at. Yeah, it's good to know, good to know that the females the animal kingdom are out there, yeah, making making the
day their own sometimes the chimps man thousands thousands of times. Well, in a way, it kind of makes sense because you see so many times also in the animal Kingdom, how the male of the species is the more beautifully colored and they're the ones who have to do the little dances and the and try to encourage a woman to or a female of the species to mate with them,
right versus the other way around. Well, that's one of the things she talks about, is like getting away from that idea that females of the species are just like resistant to sex. They're very picky and choosy, and they're like, only one of you shall mate with me, when in fact they're out there like doing it a lot. She's like, anyone who dances you get, come over here, blue footed booby, I'm ready. Oh, we need more blue footed boobies to
be mating. We really do, right, Endangered, I believe, I think. So let's find out they are listed under the least concern category of conservation status. Their population is stable, but the red footed booby is in a in a decreasing population, still under the least concerned category. But you know, that just means out of all the ones that we're killing off, these ones are the ones were least concerned about right now, um population decreasing. So get out there, boobies, right footed
boobies specifically. So that's a very exciting story. I think we'll take a quick break because we're going to come back with one very intense story that Diana's God. That was really fascinating, maybe real mad. I hope that. Hope that makes a stick. Yeah, anger, get mad, hey, but it is righteous anger. Okay, everybody loves right just sing here, Yeah, be right back. Okay, welcome back to the show, everybody. So yeah, I hope you're ready ready for that righteous
anger because this is coming from the Times of Israel. Um. The article is called woman Freed after being chained in her marriage for twenty two years, and it is by judah Ari Gross And you know obviously that headline. I was like, excuse me, I had to look into that, uh um. And so the story is about a woman named Tamar that is in alias. She's not giving her
real name, but Tamar was married to this guy. They had a child together, but he was never really enthusiastic about their marriage, and he was apparently kind of abusive and neglectful and just not a great husband. So she's decided to file for divorce. In sounds totally normal. That's what you should do in that kind of situation, exact kind of you know. It's unfortunately you ever got into that situation begin with. But it happens. Some people get married and it turns out to be not the fantasy
they might have dreamed of exactly. But apparently in Judaism, women cannot get a divorce without the consent of their husband. Oh okay, is this like an orthodox thing? In Israel? They are only religious marriages and divorces, So yeah, I think so it's just a very religious, uh ceremony. It's not just like here it's such a legal thing. I can have religious trappings, but I suppose, I guess in Israel it's much more like this is a religious contract with God that you are making, and so you can't
just break that. Okay. So it sounds like the state law follows the religious law in terms of, like, you can't just get divorced without your husband's permission. Rabbinical laws that they refer to this article and the rabbinical courts. Okay, okay, yeah, so anyway they can't They can't get divorced until their husband's like, yeah, i'd also like a divorce. And the reason they have the term chained women is because women who ask for her divorce and their husbands refuse are
chained to their marriage. Because they are they have no legal recourse if their husband doesn't agree, and they say, it's pretty unusual for someone to be chained for a very long time. Usually husbands use it as like a chess piece during the divorce proceedings. He's like, I won't say yes unless this is this, and then she's chained for a couple of months or a year until they figured it all out and whatever. It kind of sounds
like being separated or estranged rather than divorced. Yet you know, like you're not you're not legally done with that part. But y'all don't live together no more, and they don't like each other whatever whatever is going on with that. Um So it's very unusual too for it to last a super super long time. But Tamar is a special case because her husband ran off to the US, where the rabbinical courts have no jurisdiction and refused to grant her a divorce for twenty two years. My god, and
they couldn't. They couldn't just say like, oh, well he's out of bounds, therefore his say doesn't count anymore. Exactly. This is why it's like, it's really making me angry that it's like this, and you know it's not just me. There is a organization that represents Tamar called Mavoice sottom. It means dead end in Hebrew, speaking of dead ends um. And they represent women who have been denied a divorce,
and so they kind of speak for tomorrow. She didn't speak herself to this to the Times of Israel, so we're getting the whole story from her lawyers. The article says that in Israel, where there is only religious marriage or divorce, these women are also legally trapped, potentially facing certain penalties in any future divorce proceedings if they have romantic relationships with other men, as this would technically constitute adulter.
They are also unable to have children with other men, as those children would be considered illegitimate under Jewish law, which bars them from marrying. And almost all circumstances, this is a really big deal to be denied a divorce. She basically her life was stalled out for twenty two years after having one shitty marriage with a guy who didn't even care about her that much and a child who I'm sure she loves very much with right, but he disappears and she can't No no tinder for her.
There's no no no dating, no new husband, no no new kids anything like that. Surely did this guy just disappear to the US or is she like reaching out to him? No, they've they've they've been in contact for the past twenty two years. She had so she had basically asked for the divorce. He said no. Then she sued for child support because she's of course raising the child in is real by herself, and he's off in
the US. He won't pay it um eventually, so they keep contacting him, and they're like please, you know, I think the Rabbis are like stressing religiously, like you're doing something bad, um, what are you doing? Please stop? And also you're in the US and you clearly have no life with it. What are you doing? What's the purpose of this? So they kept contact, They had contact um, so they kept reaching out, he just kept refusing. Finally
she even dropped her child support claim. She said, just give me the divorce and you don't have to do anything, and he still said no. This guy's like, hey, look, my religion says it's the will of God, whom I want to please, for me to say screw you so long, thanks for nothing. The article says, under the Israeli Chief rabbin its interpretation, as well as that of most authorities on Jewish law, there is no way to dissolve a
legally valid marriage without the consent of the husband. Rabbinate courts can impose sanctions, including prison time, on husbands who are recognized as refusing to give a religious divorce, but they cannot force them to give one, and the rabbin its hands are further tied if the divorce refusing husband flees the country, which puts them outside of their jurisdiction.
Of course, so the attorney from a Voice, Attom Batia Cohen, who represented Tamar in court, said, quote, they took her freedom, they took her womb, and gave her nothing in return. Because they're pointing out, of course, twenty two years have passed. Now tomorrow is in her fifties. It's not likely at this point that she's going to be able to have
more children. It might not be likely that she could find another partner depend I don't know what it's like in Israel, but it's I think it's hard here for women over a certain age to find a man who wants to marry them and be with them. So anyway, it's just real fucked up, and it feels like he straight up did that on purpose. He was like, I just don't want you to be happy and have kids with other people and do like live your life, so
I'm just gonna like go off somewhere. Also, by the way, while he's in the US, the man had another partner and more children. Of course, because that's no problem. He's like, I'm a male in in case you didn't know that, in nature, males get to go out and have lots of sex while females just sit home quietly, quietly. Well, I got I got an article for you. Have I got some news for you, sir. Let me introduce you to Lucy Cook, zoologist. She has won all her rulings
in court basically over this case. But again, since he's in the US, there's nothing you can do, and she just had to wait and wait and deal with it. But then suddenly this week to Mars, attorney received a call. Batia Cohen says, Rabbi asher erin True from Rabbinical Courts Division for Agonaut called and said, I have your get, which is the Hebrew word for divorce. It was signed with no conditions, so he didn't even Apparently a local
American rabbi had convinced him to grant the divorce. So like all these rabbis from Israel, where he's from, are calling him and being like, yeah, bro, what are you doing? And this American rabbi was like, listen, seriously, what are you doing? And I guess it worked. I don't know where he was just tired of it, or maybe he wants to marry his American partner at this point and I can't because he's still married in Israel. I don't know what his motivation was, but he finally did it.
So yeah, it's just really frustrating because again, I don't know, I keep coming back to that just biological unfairness of a woman's body that eventually you can't have children anymore of it safely for you or the child, and that men do see you as dried up in not desirable after your turn fifty or so. There's a great sketch about your last fuckable day and wood stuff where once you turn about fifty sixty you're not fuckable anymore, your old lady sketch. It's a really funny sketch. So yeah,
I don't know. It just really made me really piste off to read it. That it felt it again, It felt so malicious that he knew was that about women, that there's eventually a point where of no return, and so he wanted to wait it out and make her
miserable as long as possible, just reason. I remember you were reading this article and you said it reminded you of the of Ted Lasso and Rupert and Rebecca him him sort of like waiting her out and then divorcing her and saying, oh, and I never wanted kids with you, right, And then he got with a much younger woman gets to have a baby where she's too old now to have a m I'm assuming she's at least feels herself to be too old to have a baby, or perhaps
just it's again, it's just a lot more complicated. The older you get, so it's like you knew, you know exactly what you're doing, so it feels really malicious and shitty. And I was like, if I live near this motherfucker, I would go around and slap the ship out of That is how I reacted to this story myself. Yeah, with um righteous anger, righteous anger, yes, yeah, appropriately so
My Voice sat him. The organization said that tomorrow is considering suing her ex husband in civil court for damages, including the child support she should have been received for this whole time um as well as, of course her suffering. Cohen added, quote, no money in the world could sufficiently compensate her for the years that he took from her, and for her rights over her body, which were also taken from her in terms of bringing other children into
the world. This was completely taken from her. And then the CEO of My Voice Atom They end the article with a quote from him. His name is rit LaHave and he says, quote, the Rabbinic courts need to do some introspection about how a woman's life can be taken from her mercilessly due to Jewish law. We know that there are solutions in Jewish law to this phenomenon of chaining women, and every day that the rabbinic courts don't
use those solutions is a terrible injustice. Yeah, I mean, neither of us is Jewish, and I think it's it's plain and clear that this is not, you know, in any way exclusively an issue to Judaism or Israel, but it's this is a very clear example of how either religion or legal systems are often very skewed into the
husband's favor in divorce proceedings and things like that. Um. Again, kind of not not far off from going back to that mentality from the animal kingdom that like, well, men are supposed to be the ones making all the decisions and women just sitting the nest and keep the eggs warm. Are they're protective and they provide someone and women are just there to like change the curtains or something whatever.
But it is incredibly patriarchal, and it did a little bit answer a question for me, because I guess women can't do the same. If a man asks for a divorce, she can't change him to her while they go through the divorce proceedings. This is specifically a husband thing, um, And I did not check that, so if you if you know a difference that So, if you know that
that's wrong, please let me know. Um. But it just seems to me from this quote at the end where he's like, we know there's solutions to this for women and we're simply not applying them. Well, then that says to me that husbands get to have a divorce pretty easily probably, whereas women have to wait and wait and wait for the band's pleasure. Oh, tailor is old? Is? I mean? You know, it's not everywhere, it's not all of time. There's there's matriarchal societies out there, um. But
but it's a tale. It's an old tale, a common tale. Yes, it's just very frustrating, and I feel badly for her. I'm very glad that she got her divorced. I'm sure she feels great now and she's making the best of it, and hopefully she's feeling good. And I hope she wins a bunch of money from him, right, Not that money is everything, but that's clearly the only thing she can get from that, So take it. What's money to a life?
You know, obviously there's no comparison there, but you know, if you can't get one get the other at least, right, he just should suffer. That's my opinion. I think she needs to suffer in some way, shape or form. Well, money, fine, I think that's the most boring form of suffering. And I mean, you know, I'm always less vindictive in in the courts, but but artless. She needs her life balanced out.
She needs a lot of goodness in her life to balance out the struggles that she went through for so long, fair minimum, just twenty two years of something dragging on and on and constantly getting these knockdowns from him every now and then. Just it's like a torture. It's like a long drawn out, slow torture. And you know, if nobody's looking and he gets kicked once or twice, you know, I'm not going to say anything. I won't say anything
and be happy to do it. If someone knows a guy who has changed his wife in Israel for twenty two years and got a tip for me, hot tips that where he might live, don't send it to us because then we are you're liable, We're we're suspects. Let's just leave it at that. Well, that guy sucks. Fuck him. That sucks. My my verdict. The Court of Diana says that guy sucks and fuck him and he deserves a real kick in the pants front or back, both front and back. All right, well, I think we'll take a
quick break to cool off. We'll come back with some more exciting and very ridiculous romances, so we'll be right back. Okay, welcome back to the show, everyone, and I had a nice long drink of water, and I feel much cooler now. She's unclenched her finch, her fists, all the steam has come out of my ears. No more. Let's lighten it up here because we're gonna go back to talking about one of our favorite subjects here on this show, AI
and sex dolls. So we found this story on well New York posts, so take it for what it's worth. But it's I've verified some of it for sure. So this is about social media influencer. This girl has three thousand followers on Instagram. She gets a lot of attention. She's got sponsored content with lingerie companies and things like that. Um, but what's really interesting about her is that she's a sex doll, like an artificial doll, um built to look
like a real girl, no strings to hold her down. Um, this this sex doll is um owned slash dated by a guy known as Tony Fox of Cherry Hill, New Jersey. He's apparently in his late fifties. Uh. He says the doll is about thirty six years old. Well, that's nice that she's a nice normal age. Her name is Tasha Marie and I did find her on Instagram? Is Tasha Underscore Marie Underscore eighties? Six? Um? Because of that's her birthday, I guess than six right at Tony Fox did an
interview with the poet. He says that quote she's so friendly and outgoing, a feminist and a supporter of the l g B t q I A plus community. Yeah Tasha like that, right? He says. Who else is synthetic but has this kind of larger than life personality. So he manages her Instagram. They do all these uh you know, sexy photos and she also has an only fans page for the more explicit photographs risk ay stuff that she does. But you know, obviously we're wondering how did this relationship develop?
What's going on? Is this guy crazy as this twisted? Is there something weird happening here? But actually it's a little bit sweeter than that. Tony Fox purchased Tasha Marie for a little less than five grand in December after his wife, Marie after whom I believe the dollars named, was stricken with cancer and she had a lot of ongoing medical complications. And Marie is super supportive of Tony and his relationship with this doll. Um. She actually gives him a lot of ideas for the kinds of sexy
poses and stuff that he can do with her online. Uh, what I don't know lab marriage, Yeah, absolutely. What I don't know from the article is whether or not Tony Fox is actually having sex with this doll. Yeah. I kind of assume, so I would assume that's why you bought her. Like maybe the medical complications were such that their physical relationship really just come to a complete stop. And she was like, I can't let you be run around with another lady. But if we're want a doll,
then that's okay. I remember reading a few years back, and I'm just going to cite this from memory here, so forgive me. It might be kind of off, but I believe the story was. It was on Reddit from a sex worker and she said that one of her clients was a couple where, um, the woman in the relationship was had an illness and she couldn't perform sexually with her husband anymore, and so the two of them called her in and the and the sex worker in
the husband had sex. The woman was there kind of like offering encouragement and suggestions and like sort of verbally taking part without being able to physically take part. And she's like, this is what this couple needed. The sex worker is saying this, She's this, this is what the couple needed. They loved it. It brought them closer together,
they felt like they were they still had an intimate relationship. Um. So you know, this is these kind of touching stories about people who maybe can't themselves, but they find alternative ways of having intimacy. So the speculation station that maybe what's happening between Tony and his wife and and Tasha here, that makes sense to me. I mean, you know, there's a lot that's very healing about or can be very
healing about sex and and even kink um. There's definitely many articles out there about the healing power of kink in healing sexual trauma specifically. I mean, you've got to find the right person and you know, all that stuff. But they talk about it being just just such a freeing thing to figure out what you like and feel like you're in a safe space where you have a
lot of control. Um. Some people even act out sexual scenarios that had traumatized them in the past, but because they have control over that, it kind of takes the trauma out of it and it helps them move on. Um. So it's just it's interest. Like, I'm not a sex doll person, and I think if you were walking around with one, I might think you're kind of a weird
all I think, I think I would get judgmental. But I wish that we didn't have such a kick, you know, knee jerk reaction to it, because there can be really wonderful like like this a wonderful reason to have one or a sex worker come into your marriage. And I'm saying that's a real that sex work is real work. That's real work. She just did something for them that no one else, no other practitioner could have done, which is why, of course it should be federally legal. Is
safe regulations put into place. Uh, It's totally a service people are willing to pay for. And offer for money or or whatever it is their exchanges. Um, it's kind of outrageous that it's illegal, and it's usually just a way for certain institutions to make money off of people who are just trying to make money off of themselves. Honestly, it's like in terms of this country being all about the spirit of entrepreneurship, come on, it's literally the oldest profession.
And it's again we're we're in a a capitalist society where it's all about, Hey, if you've got something to offer, someone will pay for it. That's what we encourage all the time. And you know, if someone's like, hey, I got something offer all right, and people are willing up hey for these you know whatever, come on, come on, that would be well. Tasha Marie goes beyond just her Instagram. She actually won the Miss Congeniality Award at a sex Doll meet up where I guess they had some sort
of pageant. Yes, apparently Tosh is just so sweet and open minded. She's miscongeniality. That's lovely. Yeah, yeah, there's there. These meetups are organized on a website called Real Doll v i P, which is a sex spot admirer community platform. So it's basically like Facebook for sex doll fanatics. Um, you know, not somewhere I would spend a lot of my social media time. But now to you if you do, Yeah, I guess it's nice to know you're not alone and
that you've got a community around you. Everybody wants a community here. Sure, definitely some of them are scarier than others, but I probably have that real doll is just like it's fine. Yeah. Uh. Tasha also, like I said, is doing sponsored content of some lingerie companies have gotten in touch with her and um, and they she does modeling in their clothes. Well, I was wondering too if like maybe they get around being flagged for sexual content if
it's a doll rather than a person. Well, I don't know if that's true, but you know, it's like you show a little cleavage as a person, you might get that ship covered up, but since you're a doll, no, actually I'll say that. Um. There's another doll owner who was known only as t FM from Los Angeles. Uh. He has a doll, Celestina, who also has an Instagram following of over three thousand. UM. He says that she
faces discrimination on media platforms. You said quote. Since Celestina is a sex doll, all of her social media content gets flagged as adult content, even if it's wholesome. She used to have a YouTube channel where she'd respond to news articles related to sex dolls for about twenty subscribers, but it got deleted, and you know, he says there was no sexually explicit content on there. She just talked
about other sex dolls. So really interesting and in terms of how they talk, Tony Fox says that Tasha is hooked up through the Replica app, which we've talked about on this show before AI app um so it she does. She does have you know, her own sort of basic kind of call and response AI version of speaking and responding to conversations UM which if anybody has explored Replica like I have since we did that episode, it's limited, but it is interesting. We have actually gotten a couple
of listener Yeah. Yeah, we're going to talk about those exchanges. Yes, definitely. If you're if you're doing Replica and you want to send us any of that stuff, please do because we're building another episode for for AI lovers out there. Another one we found um Alita, who's apparently Tasha Marie's best friends best another sex doll. Um. She has Instagram followers, so she's an aspiring influencer. I guess um her owner slash boyfriend as they refer to him, only known as
Atomic Tomic Tomic. Wow. Do you think he's skateboards because I don't know why, but I think it sounds like a skateboarder name. At very least. He games totally games, definitely games. He's spent several thousand dollars on his gaming chair right, yes. Uh. He says. Elita's followers are mostly women who are just fascinated with you know, her life if you want to call it that, and uh and and their relationship. So I thought that was really interesting.
He sent in pictures to try and get Elita to be on the cover of Maxim magazine as the first the first doll, the first artificial person to be on the cover, but he says that he hasn't heard back yet so far. I think I'd actually have a friend who's competing in that contest range. Really, We've had a couple of friends in the past compete. They would be pissed if they lost out to a sex doll. For
my real flush and blood friends. I guess I'm glad Maximum is not interested, But I suppose that would be kind of interesting one day to say, hey, you know, look, I don't know she won. People thought Tasha or I'm sorry or Alita was the hottest photos up in here. Look, it's a it's a brave new world we're entering here and we're Look, we're all competing with robots every day. Now, that is true. Do you hear that even have to prove to a robot that you're not a robot in
order to get into some websites? Uh. A technician from formerly from Google just published a conversation that he had with Google's AI that they're developing, and it was frightening. This. He says, I truly believe this AI is is conscious and an individual entity, like a thinking person basically. Um, and the conversation I read through and it is it is pretty striking. UM. Well, we'll probably do more detail
on that later. But just this sort of self awareness that this A I really seemed to prove that it had really talking about passing the Turing test here in a way that hasn't been done quite so. I'm interested, for sure. I saw that. I have a friend named Damien. He's at Wolven on Twitter um and he has studied extensively for years AI and morals and ethics around AI and sentience and all that kind of thing, and it is very fascinating work. And I guess apparently he may be.
He and he and Ben from Ridiculous History, our friend Ben Bolan, we're talking on Twitter about possibly collabing on and stuff they don't want you to know, which I would love to hear that conversation because he knows so much about it, and I'm very curious what he thinks about that conversation because I've seen, you know, on Twitter, a lot of people are like, I don't know, if you ask an A either sentient, and they say yes, I'm not sure I believe that that's coming from there,
thinking self, I know it is more than that, But you know, I was like, that that's true. You know that at one point, I don't know, But even the guy was like, but we're programmed to say certain things at certain times to certain people, So how what's the difference between that programming and our programming? What if? What if we don't prove the AIS are sentient? But we disprove that we are oh ship, We're just we're just
programs we think we're thinking. I'd be like, oh, all, this is just somebody and this is getting bored in the sims and throwing in as many horrible things as they can so we all die out. They could start over. I will say, when I used to get bored playing sim City as a kid, I would just be like, I'm gonna turn on the tornadoes and hurricanes now, well, and all those little people in there just living their lives, those poor people. Oh no, well jeez, I mean, that's
not even all we found from from stories. But but that's all we have time for today. I think that's true. You got to get off to the theater. Yeah, I gotta get off to the theater. And we've got another part of collect coming up on Wednesday, looking at so many good, little juicy things. Oh, this woman's life wild. We've got such great episodes coming up to I'm very excited for the next couple of months because we've got such a I mean, y'all are sending us the best suggestions.
We got one today that I'm like, oh my god, front of the line, this is happening sometimes that does happen where I'm like, I feel bad because I'm like, oh, I have one from months ago that I've been meaning to get into, but this just so I got to. But we are. We are digging into all your suggestions and all the ones we have backlogged here, um, and there's just such good stuff coming up. So very excited.
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