Forget Me Lots: Making Memories with Tossed Popcorn

new best friends. Thank you for joining us. So honored time here. Oh yeah, we love We love expanding our little romantic circle over here. We like to invite new people and keep it fresh. You know what I meant interesting sound you know? Um? Will you tell us a little about your show and yourselves? That is I'm just throwing this at you like I was born and I was born to we both we are two women, both were birth. We have so much in comment. Thank you.

We're very We have a movie podcast where we are going down the A f I S one hundred Greatest American Movies of all Time, the tant Anniversary edition. Um, and we both don't really get a lot of movies, nor have we enjoyed a lot before doing this, so we thought, we're going to go through all the classics, see what we think, see what we get from them as people who don't really get the medium. Yes, we're taking them off their pedestal and given them a blunt

and honest Look. I love Marvel films just by the way, that's us. I like movies with good colors and things, so not the blue tone or whatever of Marvel. I don't know what marble colors are, but mustard colors now, I also love them. Muppets. Yeah, between the two of you, these are those are pretty much our two favorit kinds of movies. So beautiful. I'll also say this is the second recording in two hours in which Sianna has mentioned Muppets. She's a big Muppets should be mentioned often. Guilty, I

can't talk about them too much. But no more Muppets please now, more than ever, Yes, more than ever. Read Muppets. That's actually true, because they're so pure and friendly and wholesome and kind. We could use more of that. And flustered and hilarious and frustrated. Ermit frustration as someone who was artistic director of a theater company for a few years, kermits flustered backstage, like the challenge just keeping his ship together is definitely something I relate to. Yes, y'all, y'all

have some theater background too, isn't that right? Thank you so much. Yeah, I was a theater major in college and then do comedy stuff here in l A. Awesome. We met on our improv team, and I hear in l A was once told on a date that I looked like I had quote improv hair. Also it wasn't here. That's a very good insight into dating in Los Angeles. How much Nightmare did well. It is so awesome to

have you guys on Ridiculous Romance. I think we came up with a really good crossover type episode for our two podcasts um where we're going to talk about the real story behind the Adam Sandler Drew Barrymore hit movie. We can go on a hit Yeah, sure, yeah, hit movie something fifty first dates. Yeah, it hit somebody, somebody loved you know somebody. I heard somebody got hit in the movie. There were Yeah, several people got filth I got hit. Yeah. Yeah, Rob Schneider getting the best part

of the movie. I would watch a movie just Rob Schneider getting hit by a bat alright, Leanna has Leona has described several of the classic movies that we have seen as just men getting hit with the bat men. So this can slide right in today. If I lose this, okay, yeah, it would change the tone. It would change the tone. Well, I know that everyone's been waiting for someone to do it. A nice hour long review of the movie fifty first Dates. Um, and that's the best place to do it. Yeah, everybody's

saying it. It's trending. It's constantly trending, pinged about it every day. When I saw your email that you were gonna be talking about this, I said, thank god, Yes, now more than we thought this is a big episode. Is this the right one to use it on? I think I think it's I think this is it's time. It's time. Well, we found this woman, Michelle Philip Potts and her husband Ian who she suffers from a very similar condition to the one that Drew Barrymore has in

Fifty First States. And it must be said that fifty First States is not based on this woman's story. A lot of people says, say it is, but it's very different. Um. Any neuropsychologist would tell you that the movie is an outrageous depiction of this particular type of amnesia. Um but but a lot of people associate this story with this movie. So we want to talk about that day. We brought you guys here to talk about this movie and this

condition which has been really fascinating to learn about. Uh. And we're gonna make some new memories we talk about this and hopefully not lose them. Should we dive into the theme song? Yeah, let's do it all right, let's go. Hey the French, come listen. Well, Eli and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no match making a romantic to It's just about ridiculous relationships. I love it might be any type of person at all. And abstract concept

are a concrete wall. But if there's a story where the second clans ridiculous role a production of I Heart Radio. So Michelle Philpotts is a year old woman in the UK who suffers from an extreme case of a condition called in terrograde amnesia, which is where her brain has lost the ability to store new memories. Um. So this I mean and I can relate to this because I can't. I shouldn't say I can relate to this because it's probably a very different legitimate disability to my just clinically

shitty memory. Yeah so but I have the same condition that you do. Yeah, clinically shitty. Yeah. So let's talk memory. We dug up some information about this because we like to learn stuff that you know, isn't necessarily the direct subject of our show, but hey we're learning. Right. Um, there's two types of memory, right, We've got declarative memory

and procedural memory. And declarative memory is your recollection of facts like these are subdivided into episodic memory, which can be real specific, uh, something like you know, some asshole and a red SUV cut me off yesterday while he was coming out of the Starbucks, like very specific details. I remember that happened. I'll never forget exactly. Uh. Then there's semantic memory, the other type of declarative memory, which is more like, Um, I know that I own a stapler,

but I don't know where it is. It's got staples in it, I don't know where I bought it, just deep in my brain somewhere, but it doesn'txist years. Um. And then there's procedural memory. On the flip side, which is like how to do things right. I know how to use a can opener, I know how to tie my shoes. I could still do to the macarena. That's procedural memory. Wow, right, big day for you. Yeah yeah, and that's a Friday. Yeah. So in tarograde amnesia typically

just affects that type of declarative memory. So people with this condition they can remember how to make a phone call, or if they already knew, they can remember how to play the piano. Imagine they can't just suddenly play the piano. What do your memory that happened to someone? Yeah, like a guy like suddenly knew Spanish or something. Yeah, it was like some brain injury and yeah he had it,

suddenly had a totally different personality and skill set. It'd be cool if you could knock your heads together and memories would transfer between Like Apple products can kind of do that now, Yeah, just air drop things, yeah, smacking you. I'm ready deleted scene from the matrix. They didn't show us, Well why not? Alright? So yeah, so when you have interrograde amnesia, you remember how to play the piano, but

you can't necessarily remember what you did this morning. You know, something very recent, and according to very well mind dot com, that's because declarative and procedural memories are stored in different parts of the brain, and typically people lose the episodic memory but not the semantics. So they again, they remember that they owned the stapler, but they can't remember if

they used it today. There anything they did. They just suddenly have stapled pages and they're like, well, I'll go and two together if I can remember how to do that? Is now the time? Have you all been watching Moon Night on? Absolutely, it is the time. Let's go at night down for a night. I know he has completely a different situation going on, but I'm sure he woke up with something staple that he did not remember stapling exactly.

He's clearly going out and buying goldfish every other line, right, That was so sweet. I know that was sweet. I would like to see a scene of Mark Spector buying the gold his self by each other so much like Little Brothers. I love it. It's beautiful. Obsessed Also Oscar Isaac like I do anything that he could ruin my life, and I would say thank you the same. Good time. Universal opinion I think about Oscar is just a special someone.

So some memories are stored in a different part of the brain, and some memories are stored in another one of you who's in there beingilized by disgraced God by a mercenary. For some reason, they didn't include the mercenary God at stated inaccurate. Thank you would like to see Adam stand there and count you have a little conversation. Yeah, he's going to be the next avatar. Oh what a different Uh. Now we've got retro grand amnesia. That's the

other kind, that's the kind you see in movies a lot. Uh. This is where like, yeah, the differentiation between retrograde and arrograde is the moment where the incident happened that caused you to lose your memories, Like if it was a head trauma or something like that. Retrograde amnesia, you totally forget everything you know, you ever knew. You'll retain your identity usually, uh, and your skills, but I can't remember

what I did six years ago before the accident. But a teragrade amnesia you remember everything before the accident, but you lose your short term memory afterwards. And that's kind of the difference here. So if somebody dropped a piano on your head. From that day forward, you can't remember what you did each day, but you still remember your whole life before the piano incident. That's in terra grade anisia. Yeah. Also, amazing of you two have made it through that, seriously issues,

that's kind of incredible. Yeah, that's how you learn to play the piano. S Matthew on the head and air drops pianos a player piano. Okay, rarer still is psychogenic amnesia, which is like the Jason Bourne situation, the sort of where am I? Who am I? How can I kill someone with a ballpoint pen? I could do that? Um. Jennifer tell Rico, who is an assistant professor of psychology at Lafayette College, says that born Jason Bourne's amnesia is

quote grounded in real life experiences. But him forgetting and then like slowly retrieving his memories and like remembering throughout the movie more and more information. That's more plot device than actual reality, right right. Yeah, you'll find a lot of neuropsychologists talking about movies and amnesia and what nonsense they are. Um. I did find one though, this woman, UM Sally Baxendale from England. She says that most of these movies are nonsense, but she says three exceptions stand

out for her. One is a Spanish TV series called I Know Who You Are from seventeen. I'm not familiar with this, but she says it's really well researched, pretty good depiction of amnesia. Another, she says is Memento Uh Christopher Nolan movie from two thousands. She said, that's actually pretty accurate, and the way that he cuts it together does give you kind of an idea of what it would be like to live with that, constantly going what what? What?

How did I get here? What's happening? Um? The third I was quite fascinated, she said, as an accurate portrayal of people with memory difficulties and the people who who associate with them, is Finding Me, she says. She says it's played for laughs a lot, but there's some really poignant moments with Dory where she's lost and alone and confused, and that the frustration that the other fish have dealing with her is really accurate in terms of a depiction

of how people who live with amnesiac patients feel. Oh my god. Um, so big ups to Finding Dory. P Sherman forty two Wallaby Way, Sitney. Look at that memory a single detail about my own friends. I don't know my best friend's address, but I can tell you. But the main movie that we're here to talk about today is the two thousand four romantic comedy starring Drew Barrymore and Adam Sandler, Fifty First Dates. And Yeah, we don't normally tackle fictional romances on this show, although we've thought

about it. Um, but this is going to lead us into a true story of a woman who has Antaro grade amnesia and her husband who cares for her. And so we're going to get into all that right after this commercial break. Welcome back to Ridiculous Romance and tossed popcorn to the present. Fifty First Dates. Um, two thousand four movie. Uh, we just we just saw for the first time the other night. Yeah, in in our heavy research for this show. Um, and uh it's quite a

quite a film. I don't know, are are you guys? You guys aren't big. Your your thing is that you're not big movie people, right like you? You know, Like, so what's your Adam Sandler take? History? And everyone has one? Yeah, everybody's take. Honestly, we actually haven't discussed this yet. If you can believe it, he has not had a film on the AH Highlist. Yeah, come on, shocking, Honestly, I I love someone who just really addresses how they wish

to in a very comfortable way. The heck out of that. Um. I've seen Fifty First Dates and I've seen his movie Click about the role did not see Click surprisingly poignant, which is also how I felt about Fifty First Dates, actually true, and I've I've heard great things about him and Uncut Gems and film I will absolutely never watch due today. We haven't done that yet. That's right, Yeah, right, that's definitely. It's been on our list for a long time.

But it's one of those you're like, all right, I gotta like year myself up for this. Really got to be in a certain state of One time, somebody came over to pick something up for my apartment and he was like, I'm just in the middle of watching Uncut Gems. Like what it feels very weird, Like I feel sort of invasive seeing you in the middle of experiencing Uncut Gems. You should go back take care of that. People keep telling me you've got to watch it. It's so stressful.

That's not You'll feel so bad, so bad, but then I guess to the end and you'll feel worse. Right, I can't wait to spend my very small amount of entertainment hours feel bad and stressed out. Yes, so I felt recommending Succession to people and like the very when it first came out, I was like, you should watch it. It's really good. But also I don't want to make you. I mean, your your day might be it's going to be a dark end to your day. Yeah. We watched

Succession too, and it was very true. All right. We had to take a break because we were midway through season one, like during the election, and it was just like, I can't keep watching these things. But we went back to it and loved it. Yeah, it was definitely worth it, definitely worth it. Myself and Adam Sandler are sort of relationship. Adam, I've seen bedtime stories on Accedent. We know that film. Yeah, I don't know if he even somehow I saw some of that and it was pretty bad. I was like

an age where I knew it was bad. It was like a high school It's like this, I think this might not be a good in the movie, but it was I don't think people are talking about how good Bedtime Stories is. So And then I've seen part of fifty First Dates and Dates, yeah, I guessaw the beginning and the end. Well yeah, then I saw the trailers You've got it's close enough. Yeah, basically the movie. H

what about you? What's your Adam Sandler take? Well, I mean, you know, when I was a kid, it was I guess Billy Now Happy Gilmore was the first one I saw. The Happy Gilmore's It's funny. It's funny, it's a little aggressive, it's very loud, um. And that was always my problem with Billy Madison is just a lot of screaming, um, and that was always too much. But I will say that I thought Fifty First Dates was really kind of sweet and poignant too. Um. I mean, he's he's got

that even in what I would say. I've actually seen a lot of his movies, I guess, uh, and I don't like any of them, like Big Daddy, uh some of those, And I was like, he does put heart into them. Um, it's just hard because he does these like intentionally obnoxious characters a lot. Um. But but you know they're sweet. Little NICKI actually surprised me in its sweetness. It is hard to watch him do that character for ninety minutes, but it's got it's got some heart to it.

I don't know, I like I like to I loved wedding singer um when I was in high school, and I liked I like his sweeter ones, I guess more than his screaming obnoxious child's men child. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think it's a pretty reasonable take. I did walk out of Punch Drunk Love that was supposed to be his like first, I don't know, serious type of or whatever. Yeah, I was like, first, like I'm gonna try this acting thing, and a lot of people really like it, and I just was like, okay, I'm

gonna go. I think I went and saw eight Mile. I went to see eight Mile. It's a good switch. I didn't regret it at the time. I feel fine about it now. So I don't know. Yeah, but this movie surprised me because I really definitely saw the trailer for this when it came out, and I was like, that sounds so creepy that she can't remember him and he can do anything. You know, at any time, you would not have any idea the next day. That's really I was like, I'm not watching that ship. Yeah, we're

watching it. Was like, no, they really addressed that. They you know, they made it. They made it work well. I guess for the listeners real quick who aren't familiar with the movie, just to recap, it is about Adam Sandler is for some reason at the beginning of the movie, a nasty con man lies to women with them and

I hadn't seen this in years. And then we watched the trailer for it before this recording, and I was like, because I remember the end of it being very sweet and their kind of relationship between the two of them being quite sweet, and that's the only thing I held onto. And then see him like pretend to be a spy and there's like a whole rotating door of white women that he's been going out with. What the heck? And and Kevin James that one time, So I guess he's

open to experimentation. Is that what we needed to know about Henry? And then that only lasts for like the first ten minutes of the movie, and then all of a sudden, he's very sweet and kind and like wants to do the right thing all the time, So it's it was super weird to me. Couldn't the movie right? Made't know that in two thousand four, you know what? I think that was? That's true. We were all learning as we're unaware that then could just be nice to women.

I don't think. So. Isn't he like a vet or something? I saw him with the wallet. He's a marine vet or I don't know, not a not a military marine, but he's an if you're a marine and you have a dog, he will look at it. He's on it an aquarium. Yeah, he's like an aquarium vet um and uh and and he meets Drew Barrymore at a cafe and she has a made up condition they called it in the movie like what was it called? Phelp gold? It was something weird, like something right, I guess we

should have totally invented. But it is a sort of version of Aigrain amnesia where every day she wakes up and can't remember anything after this car accident that she has. She still thinks it's how many how long has it been?

Have been a year? Been a year? So she still thought it was a year before and her dad and brother, for some reason, we're like making her relive the same day over and over again, so it was always his birthday for a year, and she would paint a mural and they would paint over it after she was just they would replace a newspaper. I was just like, why are you doing this? Her brother played by Sean Aston, coming straight out of Lord of the Rings, who apparently

just wanted something very different and he found that. I mean, if nothing else was definitely different. He had a mess shirts on and stuff long way from the potato stew share the Lord Mr Frodo. But interestingly enough, like kind of we were talking about with this movie, he is this character who I think, ten years earlier, in like a nineties movie, would have been the bad guy, like this jock asshole, but he's also ultimately very sweet. He's

just kind of dumb. And I think the only way this movie works is that every character is actually incredibly sweet at the end of the day, because otherwise, any one of them she would be constant under constant threat of being taken advantage of, I think, and it only works because everyone in the movie is never going to do that. Yeah, it's yeah, it was definitely I was like, how do I feel like rom com vibes when I'm

like constantly on the alert inappropriate it. It really is a lot of love between all the characters, which is nice, but it is truly funny that, like if you get in a car crash and then your dad and your brother are like, I guess we have to do this day over and over again for a year, Like how was that possibly the best solution? Exprageous exactly, and the fact that it lasted a whole year before anyone else came along and said, why don't we try something different?

I did that for two days exactly. The first time I had to repaint a mural, I'd be like, thought this, yeah, I'm not having another pineapple upside down cake. I pretending either, like, oh yeah, let's definitely get a pineapple for the first time,

not the seventh time. This week, they watched The Sixth Cents every night because that she bought her dad for his birthday the vhs of six Cents and they have to pretend he's getting it as his gift and then watch it every night and pretend they don't know the ending twist. There's definitely like the third time I would have broken yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, let's just tell her

the truth. So Adam Sandler comes along, falls in love with her, uh, meets her every day uh, and and reintroduces himself because he just at first he's I think he's trying to prove to himself that he can make this girl like him over and over again. But eventually he just wants to spend an hour hanging out with her, like like like a first date. I guess every day,

and she almost always goes for it. Um gets a little weird into the He kind of manipulates her a little bit, like when he ties himself up on the side of the road pretending to be kidnapped, knowing that she's going to dry I buy waiting for her. He gets Rob Schneider if I can pause and talk about Rob Schneider in this movie for a second. He was doing this weird like brown face and accent Hawaiian accent that he's gotten no business. There's no place of origin

for that accent. It is from all over the world. Yeah, yeah, that's uncomfortable. It was weird. And then he had these pineapple like leaves or banana leaves, and he was doing some weird dance that I feel like he shouldn't be allowed to do right. Yeah, I don't know. In every two thousan four film there's a character who now watching it, it's like, oh, I don't think this should be allowed, like the whole person. Yeah, today sixty of those characters

are played by Rob Schneider. Yeah, he seems to really take to those roles. Yeah. I wonder what that says anything. Um So Yeah, so she she does end up kind of falling for him. Day after day. He decides to make her a video help her every morning wake up and watch it and understand what has happened to her her life catch up. Yeah, but she doesn't remember. Some

days she reacts well to it. Others she reacts less well because every day she learns that a year of her life has gone by and she doesn't know any of it. Um And they end up. It works out. It's a rom com. It works out, it works out, it's all great. Yeah, although it's so weird when she wakes up to watch a tape and finds out that yesterday you were in Hawaii, today and you're in the Arctic and you have a five year old child. If I woke up and that would just I would I

don't know what I could. I would have to. I would need some time like ninety minutes to myself on clothing, just like waking up on a boat. That alone would be that alone, shocking, terrifying. Right in my own neighborhood on a boat, I would shock a different surprise to wake up on a boat in West Hollywood. Yeah, it would really throw me for a little and weirder in Atlanta, Atlanta, I would like, what wait, what be on the lake somewhere? Um?

But yeah, and he wins over her dad and brother as well, because at first they're like, don't come near her. She's got this this memory thing and all you're gonna do is be a creep. And then they find out, Okay, he's not a creep. He's a cool guy. She clearly cares about him, so he wins them over. And that's kind of cute too that it's sort of almost the long term relationship is almost with her family rather than her because she can't remember, so I thought that was

kind of an interesting angle for that. But yeah, he does sort of date her dad and her brother more than he dates her, and it has to Yeah, be like I brought flowers, give them to her how it goes. It goes you're dating their dad and their brother and you know best, and then you choose which one you like the best, and you married up and you marry that one. You'll see all of them family reunions. It's going to be right. It's not weird, not weird at all.

It's the what was that movie? River runs through it? I don't know why is that Brad Pitt movie where she basically is every single brother just allegen queenship. He got them all all not bad. The only other thing I remember about the film that really stuck with me was waffles. There's waffles in that movie that looks so good. I remember that you only saw part of it. This is Sienna brains. Sienna, My brains are very much like

a ven diagram, and in the middle is waffles. And like Smash the NBC show, that's great good venn diagram, Waffles is a good thing to fixate on. I feel safe, delicious breakfast food. I'll say I'll do a little uh inside baseball here because it gave me a little PTSD because I used to work props on movies and um watching and a breakfast scene is just going to be

the worst day of your year. And watching her with those little waffle houses, I'm like, you know, they had sixteen to those waffle houses off camera and somebody spent the whole night making them. And it's I don't know how Drew Barrymore is, but some actors would be like, these waffles need to be hot. I'm not doing this scene if they're not, even if she's not eating them. Uh, lots of stuff like that. But but you know, they did a good job with it. In perspective, it was amazing.

So whatever ever suffered for it, it was worth it. Exactly exactly whoever it sucked for, thank you, Thank you for your service. And I will say they were she They were pretty much dry waffles, which is a huge help. And that might have been Adam Sandler, I've heard is like one of the best people to work for in Hollywood.

Takes care of everyone. Apparently this movie itself was originally written to take place in Seattle, and he said let's go to Hawaii instead, and writing movies that take place in Hawaii just so he can bring all his friends out there and have fun making a movie. Maybe maybe he was like, no Syrup that's too hard in the props people. Whenever there's somebody who's kind of like they have weird characters or there, their stuff could be obnoxious. I haven't seen a lot of his stuff. I know

it's like people like it. But since he plays a lot of screaming little boys, I'm like, he must be really good to work with because he's made a lot of movies, and so there are people who could be screaming little boys on screen and then also screaming little boys off screen, and the successful ones, You're like, I bet they're great. Yeah, I bet they call for dry waffles on set. Absolutely, Like, don't suck this up too much, because I don't want to make the props guy make

a whole other one tired. Let him goes someone shaking in the corner, surrounded by waffle scraps. Ye've been there. Don't make another house a tower this time. Why. I'm not an architect. I'm just a waffle maker. I'm just a humble studio waffle maker. The script we found out was originally called fifty Feet Kisses. That's where Drew Barrymore says several times in the movie, can we have another first kiss? Um? Oh, there's nothing like a first kiss

every time. Um. I read two things. One I AMDB Trivia said they changed it because they didn't want to confuse people with Drew Barrymore's movie Never Been Kissed. Um, But the director said that the marketing department found that the word kisses was turning off male audiences. Men don't kissing. From my experience one time, I mean, I'll share it on the pot. This is a romantic policy, bring it.

I went on a hinge date last summer and the only thing really that we did was kiss And then later he was like, I'm just not feeling it romantically all the kissing, and I was like what My friend was like, Yeah, I love kissing non romantically. What what are you saying? Professional kissing? Very business like? Would have hated that title. Yeah, first dates. I'm in tender men kissing right, fascinating? Well, I guess what are we? Three to one women to men? Is that the gender ratio

of this current zoom? Yeah? Okay, so Eli as a man, Yeah, could you see fifty kisses? I mean technically I didn't see fifty first dates for a long time. I my choice the title wasn't what was maybe the group was not being asked the right questions, right, yea, yeah, I need more information about what was being asked to the room, what was being showed in the room. But I will say I never saw, never been kissed. Um what kissed movies have I seen? I saw? Um? No, I'm trying

to I didn't see kissed the girls. I didn't see. I can't think of other movies that have kissed in the title. Maybe maybe you do hate maybe I do hate kisses I have. Do you think more men would have seen it? This is allowed to ask the women would have seen it if it was fifty first six, first six, probably right waiting into it because kisses, they're like, oh oh sex, no kissing, very pretty woman about it, kissing sex all met first bang bang, Yes, well that's

weirst experience that on our podcast. We both got bangs. Yes, I have to clarify. Yeah, oh, and yes, you can say anything in this podcast. We're explicit every episode. So oh great, great, Yeah, get ready say your favorite curse for now. She's been holding onto that for a while every hour. Fair, that's her weird anything she forgets if she said it, yeah, I better go for it. Just she'll forget everything. If she doesn't say asked once an hour, let's make that movie. If we could just be making

shut up, let's do it. So okay, So at the end of the day, this movie is about a sweet couple. A woman who can't remember who wakes up every day realizing that she's spend dating Adam Sandler for a while. Um, and one day wakes up and realizes that she has a five year old son with him or daughter is a daughter? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. There is a horror movie version of this out there, which she points out in the movie, but we don't see. Is the while she

was pregnant. Can you imagine waking up pregnant and have to like watch a freaking videotape that's explaining to you, oh why you are suddenly have alien like aliens have a trauma. The day you give birth would be the most horrifying. Bay you wake up and they have to take you to the hospital and you were like, what, I'm not doing that, don't don't worry, You'll forget it tomorrow your boat and are pregnant, Like that's too much? Yeah, and what if, like, are you sure I signed up

for this? Show me a tape of me saying yesterday, that is what I need to say of consent going on. What if it's one of those multi day labors too, Yeah, she could forget after she falls asleep, wake up and you're already in labor. Does it is her? Is her memory thing? It resets when she goes to bed, right roughly? Yeah, and after she went to sleep, Yeah, she would wake up the next day. Just keep her awake. I wondered,

what happens? What about naps? She forgets a little, she forgets that morning she remembers going down for the nap, right right? Um, I will say I think the Walrus stole the show. The Wals name his name Jacko, and it's Adam Sandler's best friend. Besides because his other best

friends Rob Schneiders. Anyway, Jackie's best friend. He's a better listener, gives great so you might there here is a world in which Drew Barrymore wakes up nine months pregnant, married to a man whose best friend is a Walrus exactly and Rob Schneider problematic person of Rob Schneider. Things you say, the worst it gets. That is a horror right there? Yeah, happen to me. I really don't want the don't want that.

I'll be the first to say please. Well. Fortunately, the near psychologist Sally Backs and Deli mentioned earlier, says the movie falls into Hollywood traditions of pretty much picking up an amnesia condition in the plot device. She also says, quote some viewers might envy Miss Barrymore's ability to forget

her romantic encounters with Mr Sandler. You know, you were a critic of Diana asked me while we were watching it, because I had said, I you know, it must be really shocking to you know, your true Barrymore and you wake up and you realize that your long term boyfriend that you didn't know about is Adam Sandler. And she said, would you you know, would you be upset if you woke up and found out that I was your wife and you had no idea? Oh my god, you're not.

You're not Adam's risky game to play. I know, Well we've been together for a while, so you gotta again keep the risk, you know. Yeah, you got to give somebody an opportunity to say something that's really gonna upset you. If I woke up next to you and it was just a strange man in my bed. I would freak out. I think I would freak out. And then also we've moved a few times. It would be a new house.

Would I remember my dog? That's very upsetting. But we might finally watch our wedding video, which we've never watched. So that's right. We're very bad at that. We haven't forgetting. We just didn't get cooked together as like a narrative or what happens in a wedding video. Great, I don't know video. We have no idea. Hopefully with me on top of the piano, but I doubt I think he was gone by then. No, I saw you on the

top of the piano. No, the videographer rapher. But we did ask a friend of ours, so he might have. Actually he did actually actually reach out, was like, did you watch it? Is a good I hope it's good. And we're like, oh, yeah, it's great. I never did watch it, So I'm like, what if he did something special? He like asked all our friends to say nice things about us. Oh, that's very sweet. Is truly funny that you've never watched that? Watch it? You watch it sometime

and it'll feel great. Look at young name. It was not that long ago. When we're when we're like hanging on by a thread, things aren't going so good, we'll be like, let's let's watch this one. Things start going downhill. Yeah, wake up next to you and don't scream. I'm not happy about it. As soon as one of your friends of Walrus, you've got to turn on that video. There's a Walrus poly fuel in this movie where because Jacko has three girlfriends, you all live together in harmony. And

I would also watch that movie. It's like more of more of this love Island, but with Walrus. Oh my gosh, that's so like kisses to each other. I mean, that's ideas I'm saying at Animal Planet Love hear us out Hot British Walrus is go to Mayorka for six weeks. Amazing idea for you. We're going to make so much money. Well, all right, well we've we've we've gone on about fifty first states. But we do have an actual ridiculous romance

that we should get to. Um, So let's take a little break and then let's come back and talk about these true stories. A couple of true stories that kind of mirror this movie a little bit. We'll get to that right after this. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Alright, So, as we've said, there's a lot of info out there. The fifty First Dates is based on this true story, but it definitely is not actually based on this story. Um, There's been a few similar incidents,

but the movie doesn't parallel like anybody's story directly. They definitely took many a liberty with this tale. Most of the other stories of this type of MMGIA I found a lot of them were in the UK. Um, nobody Nobody hanging out on the beach in Hawaii, which sounds like a way better place. I mean, no no judgment to the UK, who we love, but but it's Hawaii, Hawaiian beach. If I got to be dealing with some ship,

it's not not a bad place. It was a nice lady making the spam and eggs every day crisis in the UK and let me kind of deal with it in the ring the local cafe and then stopped by the pub. Yeah, I should I let the scenery get ahead of me there because actually, not that you mentioned it, the idea of being trapped on a tiny island dealing with a crisis does sound a little worse. Let me

on a bigger island. Yeah. Um. But there is one similar story about Michelle Philipotts from Lincolnshire, a region in England, and Michelle was born in nineteen sixty five, when she was twenty years old, she was in a serious motorcycle accident and hit her head. Then just five years later in she was in a serious car accident and she sustained more head injuries. I know. I'm like, maybe we don't motor around anymore, and maybe we ride a bus.

I don't know. But the trauma came on gradually over the course of a few years, and by nineteen four she was diagnosed with epilepsy as a result of these two accidents, so she, you know, is dealing with seizures. She started to become more and more forgetful. Eventually she even lost her job because she spent an entire day just photo copying the same document over and over again. Damn yeah. Eventually her memory deteriorated where she couldn't remember

anything passed the year nineteen ninety four. This was interregrade amnesia, which, like we said before, affected mostly her episodic declarative memory, so she could still remember who she was. Uh, she remember what her life was like before the accident. She remembers meeting her husband Ian. They met in the same year as the motorcycle accident, but they didn't get married until after she lost her memory. So she knows who he is every day. She knows she's dating him, but

she doesn't know they're married. Um, do you think a wedding video? He says, he's got an album he shows her every morning. I get some photos. That's pretty close to it will eventually have to do when I lose

my memory. And in her day to day Michelle leaves post it notes for herself everywhere, and she's now able to leave herself helpful reminders on her cell phone these days, fortunately, But yeah, she she must be very I mean, do you wake up and think it's and then someone's like, look at this magic rectangle, like suddenly going from no cell phones to like an iPhone? All right, that's a little bit interesting. She just she has to retrain herself on it every day or something. I don't know. That's

got to be so hard. That's like there's a trend joke online of like if you gave Abraham Lincoln us write he would die instantly. People just can't process today from the past like a McDonald immediately. Did you ever watch the show Good Omens? Yes? No, read the book there. I love the prophet. The witch in that story is from like the sixteen hundreds or something, and she could see the future and they have all her predictions, but they don't make any sense because she doesn't know what

she's looking at. So she's like, I don't know, it looks like some kind of big metal. She didn't even know what metal is, so she would just have to describe what she was looking at, and they're trying to figure out as time goes on where they belong. I just think that's makes so much sense for fortune telling, because how would you years in the future and have any idea what you were looking at. Like there's something

called a sprite. I don't know that is, don't drink it looks like there's a lot of energy in it. Energy energy. It's heresy. I do love you know, it's very funny. Even now, is such a change? Yeah? Really? Yeah? I mean you got to explain to her every day every day, I don't know, every very day. First things, First, I know you live in the UK, but this is the really most important thing. You start with the Alamo. We'll go She hasna the Alamo. She's remember that somebody

called the doctor. That's all we ask. We had one job about the Alamo. Now you can't even do that. So poor Michelle's trying to tap up on her cell phone every day, figure that shut out and figure out who serious. And she and Ian sat down for an interview with Matt Lower on Today on the Today Show in yeah, you have to tell her about I know about Matt Lower, surely wishing everybody still thought. He's like, oh,

I love this interview subject. She has no idea and by the end of the interview she had forgotten Matt Lower's name. So hopefully we'll all be there one day. Let's all get a little bit of Michelle's energy on this one. She wakes up every day thinking Bill Clinton is the US president, Ace of Base is hottest music on the charts, and everybody is lined up around the block to see Forest Gump in theaters. That's a bit

of a mixed bag for all Michelle. Um. Fortunately she got a surgery in two thousand five which did stop up the seizures for the most part. Um, but the memory conditions themselves don't really improve. So at this point she has to wake up every day and kind of just fill in the last eighteen years of her life. Oh my god. She said that some moments stick better than others. Actually that'd be eight years it would. Yeah, we all got very young for a second there. She

says some moments stick better than others. For example, like she would go on the Today Show and she said she would have a memory of having done that. She's like, this will probably stick. I'll have an idea that I came to New York and went on this big interview. But while she's in New York seeing as individual landmarks, they would show her pictures like you were at the Madison Square gardens yesterday, and she's like, nah, sure, okay

if you say so, and doesn't remember that. But is it like a big event thing maybe or something that I guess so enter your long term memory in a different way. I don't know. I don't know, because that seems like I tried to travel, so it's like a big event. So maybe that's it thinks a little better, really significant, I don't I know so little about the brain. Yeah, just like we should know more about our own. Yeah, my brain is not interested in it. It's barely functioning

and that's all it needs to do. There is. For a while she can remember like series of numbers, but she has now gotten up to being able to memorize six numbers in a row, she said, by picturing punching them into a keypad, so she can remember not the numbers, but the pattern that that helped her to it. Which I get that too, because if someone tells me a phone number, I have to envision dialing it in on a keypad. That's how I remember. It's just the pattern. No,

that's just me. Yeah, No, I think I'm more of a rote memorizer. Like I'd have to stay it a few times and write it down a few times and then it might stick. But I couldn't picture of a pat that would never work for me like a lot I was due to do. And then I went off to a whole other Has she been able to work?

She has not been working. And they talked in a in an interview about uh, the challenges with dealing with the UK disability program and how they've you know, kind of gotten it and then lost it and had to fight to get it back again a few times. Um, which, of course, living here in the US, just even having the option for it sounds like a right very happy

for them than this. Uh yeah, yeah, that was something I did like about the movie was that he was so like, you, you don't have to cut her off from a lot of life just because she has a disability. She can still get married, she can still have kids, she can still have a full life, and we can figure it out. Like I did really like that message, I guess you could say in the film. And it was also very frustrating to be like, well, they got married and that's great, but in a mary, actually people

with disabilities lose their benefits if they get married. Yea, often, yes, they can't. That's actually there's a lot of there's a whole like there's no marriage equality in America yet because disabled people cannot get married without losing their benefits there, especially if if two disabled people want to marry each other, they certainly can't because they have no other you know,

income talk. It's just self fustrated. So yeah, I was like, well, that's cool that she got married to him and everything. It's just too bad that you might not see that in real life in America at least, what does the government think happens if you have a disability and then get married, right, And I like that that d is going to do it for you. I guess, I don't know, Yeah, I guess. Yeah, your your spouse's problem. And if you both have live on disability benefits, you shouldn't be together.

You're not a whole person. I don't I don't know. Yeah. I think it's it's like that so dehumanizing to say, like, I don't deserve every other, you know, every option that's available to me. Yeah, I was gonna say though, talking about when she she's working in the movie, Drew Barrymore's character is working like as an art teacher at the end, and Adam Sandler has this idea that she remembers him.

Now she goes he goes to see her, and she doesn't know who he is really, but she takes him into a room and she has painted hundreds of paintings of Adam Sandler. And what's amazing is that they're all in very distinct, different artistic styles. So I'm like, she is a master of every made a bust of Adam Sandler's face and neck and shoulder. There's like, you know, classical realism and Cubism and all these things professional. I just made a bust of Adam Sandler and I don't

know why. I don't know why. I think I'm very sick. Is happening, something is clear. She also played it really cool when he walked in this man that she's been mysteriously painting for. There's a bust of you in the band. I've been expecting you. Did I make you? Didn't dream you to life? It's another one, well, Michelle. Philip Potts is her husband. Ian is kind of the real Adam

Sandler in the most complimentary way. We didn't say that because he did stay with Michelle this whole time, after both of her accidents and after all of her issues with her memory and stuff. He married her despite you know, the challenges of her condition, and he said, quote, it can be frustrating for me, but I have to be patient and understand and accept that she struggles to remember. I have to keep calm because I love her. She still remembers when we first met, but it's the day

to day things she struggles to recall. So he's got to just constantly be like, you know, yesterday you promised to I don't know why I let you promise anything. You promised to do that thing today. That's really sweet. I know, it's nice. They sound like a good couple. Um, they've been doing this for a while now, I know.

And I did wonder that about fifty first dates because the first time we see her tape about her condition, he's like, I'm gonna fill you in on everything you've missed so far, and I'm like, don't doesn't it as time goes on, that tapes so long, she's gonna take all day to watch it and then she's gonna miss a day if we're like, but another great thing, you know, as smartphones show up and you can just take quick videos, that's gonna make it so much easier, right, having a

full on video camera every day, like film myself saying yes, you are married to Adam Sandler. It's okay. You like it. You like it for some reason. Yeah. Actually that does bring me into another couple, this woman, Nicky Pegram and her husband Chris dealing with a similar situation, also a

British couple. Um Nicky slipped and hit her head on a metal pole and lost her short term memory after that, and she did an interview on Good Morning Britain in a year later where she discusses the journal that she has to keep every day, and what's really crazy to me is she had to write in that journal on the first page it says, Chris is not lying to you about anything, so she's got to tell herself every day, like listen, it's you're gonna think he's manipulating you or something,

but he's not. This is all true whenever he tells you, which is so scary to me. Well, and even in the movie, she has a journal where she's writing to herself and she says, it's like I'm telling myself instead of being told, and I prefer it. But then she completely erases their entire relationship by throwing out every part of her journal that mentions him. How weird to do that to yourself or have the ability to do that

to somebody. That's crazy. And then he helped her do it in the movie, he helped you do it, which I was like, that's really painful breakup, like you straight up to existence from the life. But that movie that also, like the movie had a lot of interesting things about kind of that sort of consent because she just trusted that.

She said, if I'm breaking up with you, I'm trusting that you're going to agree to that and not show up tomorrow and tell me that this never happened, which is you know, again that movie only works with everyone being a good person because you just sort of no, Okay, well he's not going to show up tomorrow and pretend that never happened. He asks at one point, what if I just do that? And she says, you know, I

think she just says you won't. He's like, yeah, I won't. Well, at least her dad and brother there to like help with that a little bit. But if she was alone and single and like no family around, yeah, she would have to really hope for the best situation. Yeah, this woman, Nikki in England, she said she has a really hard time reading that journal every day. Again, like sometimes it's

harder than others. She even said during that interview, She's like, I only slept a couple of hours last night, so I can still kind of remember yesterday, so I guess it is like a really hard reset during sleep. Um. But but they said that their doctors told them there is a possibility that she will just be sitting on the couch one day and suddenly remember everything. It's not likely, and it's more likely that she'll it'll never come back,

but apparently that's they've told her that's a possibility. Now. That would be an experience. I would pay like a stimulation chamber for We're just sitting there one day and suddenly a bunch of memories come flooding into your brain. That's got to be a very weird. Yeah. I don't want it for my real life, but I would do it once and like to stimulate. Like I was not remember a lot of things. I'm like, I think, actually I'm good. Yeah, don't love it. I'm going to assume

my brain decided for a reason memories that one. Unless you can pick a genre of memories to come rushing back, like real slapper moments from the past where you were like this is great. Only those you'll just get hit by on the couch or what if I don't know if you'll ever saw a total recall the Arnold movie

from the eighties. He uh, there's this that The setup of that movie is there's a service where you can go have memories of a vacation implanted in your head, so it feels so you're sort of living it in real time during the procedure, and you wake up with the memory of the vacation and he chooses a spy mission on Mars, and then you don't know the whole movie, if it's really happening or if it's just a It's great.

But I think about that. I'm like, what if I could just think I have a memory, like a fabricated, really cool memory. I spoke to a near a psychologist once about my clinically shitty memory and she said I. I asked her as like, can you work on, you know, getting your old memories back? And she said it's we don't really push for it because you can't trust them. So whatever you develop is probably not even what really

happened anyway. That's the weird strange so because they even say if when you do remember something, the more the more you tell the story of the memory, the more you're creating a false memory in place of the real thing. High school psychology is rushing back to me right now. It's long term, potentially a psychopathic memory. The simulations I'm on Mars. Oh my god, you all seen this? Um the Snapchat filter that makes it look like you're crying

for the TikTok. It's incredibly funny. I saw that, and I'm like, this is I can't We can't trust anything anymore. We can't trust our memories and video documentation is out the window. Nothing is real, So you might as well just go with whatever your memory, you have the flow you exactly chill out, put a filter on while the world ends. Who my aunt Kathie, who listens to this podcast,

so she'll hear this? Uh they did? Um her my cousin, her daughter did a video of her getting her birthday cake and it was the first time I'd seen this filter, so I genuinely thought it was real. And she is just weeping. She answered this store bought in a box birthday cake, and I was like, wow, she was really touched this cake cake. But she showed the full video and just for a second as she turns her head, it like cuts back to her real face smiling, laughing. Yeah,

and it's it's the most haunting thing. Oh yeah, handle it. We are inching so close to just living in a black mirror episode where yes, the thing is real. At least give me a spy mission to Mars or something cool right to live in. I'm good to go Buffle apartment waffles after this, I really want to waffle. I was just thinking, yeah, they're so good. A Barney's beener Ether shouts out to local Barney's been. It's like you're putting in my dress. There's not waffles in there. There's

waffles in there. We're gonna get a picture of my l list right now this year. But there's no parking. Ok, I assume there's no You just have to move within walking distance where and they're parking on Apparently there's parking the neighborhood. Are we talking? This is west where I look? So I just walked there. That's because you've never had a car, because I've never parked. That's like I've never

thought about it. I really don't feel that I have established some object permanence in some ways, where like if I haven't seen it, it's not real, it doesn't exist. I don't believe you. It's great being a co host of someone who, uh, who doesn't really remember anything. I don't know if you feel this way, Diana, right, because when I do remember something, Leanna will be so impressed like, how do you know? How are you? How are you sure that we did talk about this in the episode,

And I'm like, because I remember doing that. I impressed myself sometimes because it's like Diana will say, I don't think we've seen that movie, and I'm like, no, I know that we have. Actually remember this. It's rare. With some things. I have a very good memory, but with the other thing, like sometimes with movies, I'm like, well, anyway, that was that happened? Putting that somewhere else past. Yeah. I hold onto very little information, just like almost anything

that's said to me, I will not. But you're so productive and like efficient efficient. I think Sienna remembers everything and it takes her two hours to send a team do anything. Yeah, remember so he's done in the same email to the same person a hundred times. Documents like you just sent this five minutes ago, had time to respond. I could. Information stays pretty well with me, but events

are like it never happened. Yeah, it's weird. I can remember lines like if I have to memorize lines for something, yeah, I can do. It was super quick, and I can hold onto those. But significant travel moments, family memories, nothing we honeymooned. We had an amazing honeymoon. Honeymoon alert because uh yeah, we were in Europe. We did a whole backpacking thing. We're there for a while and I know that we did, but that, yeah, that is it sucks

to because it was Europe. Was totally worth remembering. But we did do a lot of musing and they kind of they do kind of smear together in my brain actually tell you you know day we were irritated by which tour group at which but it definitely happened multiple times. Yeah, I remember getting kicked out of a loof you got kicked out of It was closing time and without a good story. You know the French, you know how they are to make it so very very closed their businesses.

And then yeah, so close to the paintings I wanted to see, and we're like they're right there, and there's these cards shooting us out. No no, no, no no no no no biento. Yeah, yeah exactly. And for me to go home and make love to my wife. That's really hard. I'm so sorry to you when it closed. Yeah, it's we we live a challenged life. Yeah, it wasn't really. He had to write about it in his journal, but it got over every day writing a one man show

about it. Struggle. We need more than ever's more. One man shows a real dirt about going to hear us. It's a unique experience. My perspective is valuable. People need to hear that straight white male perspective of being in Europe. It's really important. That's okay. I went to the Rob Rob Schneider School of Acting. I'll pert some accents in there. It'll be great. I'll do my own diversity. You're welcome, diversity. Could you try it again, but more diverse. We really

care well. We have taken up a lot of your time. We're so glad you guys came on the show today to talk about this movie. This these couples, this crazy situation, and yeah, thank you so much. They're dealing with Yeah, it was really fun. We've got to do this again. There's gotta be another movie out there. I will say we I mean, I love a movie, but we have not seen the top underlist ourselves. You've seen a better experience than any film on the A F I List.

I've talked about it on recordings. It's like com We definitely slip into our like Marvel tangents a lot on this show too. Just have a little segment Marvel Alert Marvel alerts exactly. I did have fun listening to you guys Tear apart Et. That was the first episode of years I listened to and I was like, wow, et finally getting the treatment. And that guy a little puppets sucked up little he's in my closet. Another Drew Barrymore film, Full Circle. Yeah, she's out there. She's you know what,

she was the heart of this. She got me tear. She got me tear when she first found out, and then she had to really do some acting there, and I was like, I was pretty good, Drew. You went to your knees on that dock, and I felt that we we briefly saw that scene. Siana was like, I'm skipping to exactly the midpoint of that scene. I've seen the beginning. And then, by the way, this movie is free on YouTube. I like to plug that the full movie,

the whole thing is out there. I knew i'd seen the beginning in the end, so I just had to check out the middle, and I think I got it. I mean, what's a story about the beginning? Middle and end, you've seen it. You don't have to watch in that order. The middle beginning. Now it's like you're watching Memnto, the

Memento version of Yeah. Got a friend Jason who's been on the show before, and he's he's got a philosophy that you should be able to watch twenty minutes of any movie and get it and at any point in the movie, any twenty minute chunk, and you should have seen enough. That feels insane to me. But we sort of have the opposite take, where about a lot of these classics, we feel like you could easily cut forty five minutes to an hour and we would still understand

what you're trying to say. Yeah, you would get everything you were trying to do absolutely done. Or hottest take is that The Godfather could have been thirty minutes, and people get mad about that, But I think that's a compliment. I can't explain how, but I think it is we could honor your movie in a way that people actually would be able to watch. Yeah, I get it. I get a bit of a less of a time commitment. They still get to os of a director's cut, like

viewers two of The Godfather. The task popcorn cut. Remember those illustrated classics versions of classic books. It's just that, yeah, exactly, Yes, yeah, are indigestible the God Dad, God Dad. I'm ready. I'm ready to watch it. I would also watch it the fifty first States trailer as a horror movie. Yeah, that's like somebody put the Cats trailer to the music from the trailer for us, like the very slow down, there's

five on it. If you just take that music, can put it on the fifty first States trailer verifying, so very true, very true. It's like, what is he doing to this woman? Now he's got a guitar. That's the true horrors when a man shows up with a guitar. Yeah, anyway, here's wonder Wall. Well yeah, thanks so much for being here. It's just so much fun. Everybody listen to Tossed Popcorn absolutely, dell have socials or anything you want to throw out

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