David Huggins & Crescent the Alien: Plan 69 From Outer Space

I thought I was back then. I didn't realize what I had when I had it until I lost it. You know, somebody should write a song about that, you know, like like it always seems to go that you don't know what you have until it's it's somewhere else, not with you. It's not with you anymore. It's like they it's almost like they took something really beautiful and natural and then covered it over with concrete. I don't know, it's just got to turn this into a song that

was pretty crazy. Whatever. I'll hang on my taxis here. I know they make them so big and yellow anymore. Oh, who's going to get that joke? Your mom will get it? Yeah? True? Thanks Barbara, Thank you Barbara, everyone else Mitchell, damnit in five weeks, my Mom's gonna text me pretty lame, Joni, Mitchell joke could have done better. Well, Hey, everybody, welcome back to the show. Hey, I'm Eli, I'm Diana. I'm so glad to have you today. This is a weird one.

This is one of those off the rails stories that we just you know, I think this is These were the stories we were looking for when we started this show. Extremely true. So yeah, clear, clear, all the judgement out of your mind. I'll be ready for this one. Um. This is another fascinating story about a close encounter of the sixty nine kind. That's right, much like our previous episode about Simon Parks. If you remember, he was the British politician who spent most of his allegedly having sex

with aliens. Uh. This is the story of an American artist named David Huggins who also lost his virginity to an alien. Somebody had to do it. Now. By all accounts, these two are very different people with very different stories, but there's a lot of similarities between these two accounts, and they're kind of shocking and they kind of eerily suggest some sort of plausibility to the whole thing. Yeah, it's really strange, but we're going to get into all that as we tell the story of David and his

lover Crescent. Oh yeah, and really quick. Our regular listeners will know what we're talking about here. But in case you're new, every time we start to bring up aliens, we tend to get interrupted by some guests from out of town. Right. They popped up in our episode about Betty and Barney Hill, who were the interracial couple who were the first people to ever claim to be abducted by alien. Great story. Go checked that one out if you haven't heard it. And of course they waited in

on our assignment Parks episodes. Makes sense, you want someone from the community to really way and things got a little uncomfortable. But yeah, they were there, and they even crashed our Lily Elbe and Gerda Vegner episode. Briefly, nothing nothing to do with aliens. I don't remember why they crashed. I guess they were close. They were in the neighborhood, yeah, or something very strange. But not today. Damn it. We

have reinforced all our ceilings indoors. Right, there is no way that a spaceship is crashing into this house again, absolutely not and pissing off our landlord. Yes, we are in complete alien lockdown and we are not going to let them interrupt us. Again, absolutely not. There is no way that these two are coming in. And honestly, the thing that we found is what's what's happening? What? What? What? Diana White, You're glowing? What you're glowing? Oh my god,

the whole table is glowing. Whoa, what's happening? What's happening? What just happened? Um? Where where are we? Where did the studio go? None of our sound blankets are up, all the PVC pipe is gone. Where how can we do this show? Oh? My god? Welcome Eli and Diana. It is I Ozark and I clip clock clip glor clip rock clip, Glory clip clock clip Glory cliplod clip Glorre. We have done you that great y beating. You are our ship. Yes, okay, yeah, that became quickly obvious. Actually,

can you guys send us back. We're already late on this episode. Seriously, I swear you put out like nine episodes. It's twice a week actually, but it's hard to keep up when there's like distractions like this all the time. Now they can keep up. It's fine. Besides, we beamed up your equipment too, so you can be the first podcast to ever record in space. Actually, in two thousand and five, astronauts Steve Robinson recorded the first ever podcast

in space. He like ordinal space like he was basically in a very high air. Okay, okay, okay, whatever, but can your technology beam us back home? Please? Oh? We did not bring you here with technology? What? No, we found it all glueing Jim on the planet Big Good. And when we had it and made a wish that we came through them, what was the name of Wait, what was the name of that planet? The guy? I've never heard of that one. Okay, so you found a gym that granted wishes, and you wished for us to

be here on your spaceship. That's so cutel. No, first we wished that the love would come back between then Affleck and j Lo. Once we knew that it worked, we started wishing for all kinds of things we wished for. One time, I wished for an intergalactic kegger amazing hide. We wished for and in and out further on the guy or we wished for a taco bell on the Guide Go Up too. We spend a lot of time, a lot of late nights on the Guide Gard. We wish the KFC on the Guide Gard, but only the

Chinese version. The American version is worse. Wait, there's a difference between the Chinese on the American version of KFC quite different. It's very very tell me more I would. I just said a whole thing about now we can move past it. Anyway. Eventually, we wish that we were hanging out with you, and magically you just appeared here. Okay, well that's very sweet, I guess, but can you please wish us home so we can get back to world out?

The glow of the gem has faded, but it looks like there might be one wish left, So I guess we can. I guess that's the right thing to do. I really wish here, my god, your podcasts up here and you alright. So, like we said today, we're talking about David Huggins, the American painter who has known aliens his whole life and even has a regular sexual relationship with one of them. Uh, is there any way to turn off that ambient beeping? We're trying to report here

that don't do anything. It's the ambient effect. But we have to go in the other room and hold a button down to turn them off. Okay, great, can you go ahead? Then wait, what can we do the things? Okay? Okay, but hurry up, this is a big episode. Come on, let's go. James fans I, fear Man, race, Eli and Diana have been being in his face. There were taking run out elected kicks, talk about ridiculous relationships any type of the Aucasino love reading e Bay stories, art and

that Kasma kicks fast. We're being into our show ridiculous room now conducting how hard radio? Okay, so first things first in this story, unfortunately, Glip, Glorp and Ozark have to stay in the other room and hold a button down to stop the ambiance sound from going on. So that was a great way to get rid of them. Very clever idea there. Yeah, to get them out of the room. It's always hard to get characters off stage

when you don't want them there anymore. Okay, So let's talk sources for this story, because you know, David has only given so many interviews, so a lot of the articles I read are just sharing the same quotes they're quoting each other. Um, but I'll share some of the big ones up front, Like there's an article by Corey arm Priest from August fourteenth of two thousand and eleven on the art blog dot com, and then there's also

a vice article by Kara Weisenstein. Now, of course, David was interviewed on our very favorite UK show This Morning with Holly Willoughby and Philip Schofield. They also interviewed Simon Parks. Really kept it together, they really do, you know? They just they are so fascinated by the stories they're hearing. How so the cat Lady did once again. Um, but a lot of this info comes from this really amazing documentary. It's called Love and Saucers by Brad Abraham's. Honestly, you've

just got to go watch it. It's only about an hour long. It's really fascinating, Like it's weirdly simple and sweet. It's very elegant. And we are not affiliated with this documentary in any way that we know of. I just happened to rent it while I was researching this story, right, so I'm just literally personally telling you here to go check it out. There's a lot in there that we won't have time to get to. Uh, and it's just a really sweet story. Um, so I'll say you can

find it at Love and Saucers dot com. Check out the movie. You can rent it from them. I think they even have a like a special especially edition blu ray you can get now or something. But anyway, you can also on their website see and I think still purchase prints of David's art. So if you want to go see David Huggins art of all his aliens, that's a good place to find it. It is absolutely wild.

So David Huggins grew up in Paulding County, Georgia. Now, someone who grew up in Georgia, I can tell you that when I say the words rural Georgia, whatever is popping into your head is probably correct. There's some beautiful country out there, wide wide tracts of absolutely nothing but

fields and trees. And this was David's home in the late nineties and fifties, so even less stuff than together, and out here in the middle of nowhere, David said he would see things that nobody else and his family ever saw. Now, his parents were not exactly kind and wonderful people, he said. They both drank heavily. They would fight a lot. His dad had multiple affairs, and David would regularly get whipped with a switch or a belt.

Very Southern punishment. I don't know if that's a thing up north, but that sounds like a well the switch especially. Go out in the yard and find me a day. You gotta pick your switch. That was what the Southern parents used to say, because it's up to you. Do you want to get hit with a big, thick stick or do you want to get hit with a little thin one. Both have their gun in different ways. Yeah, very true. Don't do that. Yeah, maybe can make people

pick their own instrument of torture. Maybe don't beat your kids anyway, it was a rough rural life for this sweet little kid. Well. On the Vice magazine article, they say that one day in nineteen fifty two, when David was eight years old, he was playing around outside and suddenly, and seemingly from nowhere, he heard a voice. He looked around to his left, didn't see anything. He looked over to his right. It was just a hairy little guy

with bright yellow, glowing eyes. He looked over to wait a minute, what he doubled back to this creature, which arm Priester says is like a mini sasquatch, and the kid freaks out because you know, obviously it's a squat and he runs into a nearby barn and he looks back at the creature and I guess the creature just kind of shrugs like I'm and he turns on walks back into the woods. Listen, kid, I don't run. And over the next couple of years, these kind of weird

little visitations keep happening. And it wasn't always the little hairy guy. One time he saw an insect like creature that sort of looked like a praying mantis. Then there was a tall, thin being with what David called a knob on the back of his head. And of course sometimes it was the classic alien with the capital C. The grays. You know what we're talking about, big black eyes, gray skin, big head, tiny mouth aliens. Yeah, classic alien. You'll hear any any UFO books and everything like that.

All the abductees, they all talk about the Grays. They looked just like the emoji. They kind of triangular. Yeah. Now, one time a bunch of them surrounded him in a field, he heard three beeps and then suddenly woke up in the weeds, having no idea how he got there. The next time he saw them was a year later, when they showed up outside his house at night. This time they came inside, grabbed him, and floated him up into

their spaceship. It was the first time he was properly abducted, and the first time he met one of the alien lady. David found himself in a well lit room with this alien woman approaching him. Now. She was tall and strong. She wore a long blue robe. According to David's paintings, you can see tons of depictions of this woman. She had this long black hair and a very human, very feminine body, but her face was very pale, kind of pointed at the bottom. She had very large, black, wide eyes,

just like the Grays and their alien eyes. She took the boy's chin in her hand and tilted his head back. Then she produced a long metal rod and she shoved it up his nose. Yeah, David said they had implanted something in him. He likened it to the way we tag animals here. Yeah. So he starts telling her how you you hurt me? You hurt me, and the alien woman said quote, let me see, and she looked at him, and David said, when she looked at him, the pain

just disappeared. I'm not I'm hearing this story and I'm like, this is so maternal, right, I mean, we're talking about a kid who's clearly has a difficult relationship with his mom, probably doesn't get a lot of sympathy when he gets hurt or something like that. He's probably i gotta say, he's probably looking for this interaction. Yeah, that's a good point.

I mean, we'll get into how real any of this sounds or anything like that as the episode goes on, but this particular moment, to me, it just very clearly feels like something your brain is crafting to fill a very particular hole, you know, or something that um might have happened to you, and your brain sort of rewrote it to be more of a fantasy to make it less real. You know, maybe he did get some exam

up his nose. Maybe maybe something happened who knows, you know, like you mean, like a like a legit doctor, or we don't like that, so let's fix it with a different story maybe, or like a bee flew up his nose. And his moment to get some tweezers and pull it out or something, you know, like something his brain wanted to change. I would definitely want to change that memory. Terrifying, but it's true. It does have vibes of like kiss it. You know, my I scriped any kids didn't make it

feel better? Yeah, exactly. So David woke up back at home and at this time, he never remembered his encounters after they happened, So all these memories of what he was seeing, they came back to him later on in life and he filled in the gaps and we'll get to that later in the story. But few years past, he's having brief, random encounters with these aliens. He said the mantis creature was scary, but always spoke to him

like a grown up would speak to a child. It's maybe kind of disconcertingly comforting to hear that tone, right, scary creature, right, He's like, ah, you look like a monster. But then he's like, hey, there, what do you want a snack? Oh? I thought maybe it would be more like more parental again, like I wonder if this is sort of like yeah, very mantis, Like, Yeah, I was trying to go for reading. Now, the Grays were kind of like little workers. We're thinking about lompus. There's just

like a bunch of them doing the work, dirty work. Yeah. Yeah, and they come out and sing a song sometimes. I hope, I hope. So pretty cool. Oh my god, gray head, gray head, it's not very rigid. Come up? Doct do when you're sleep yep? So now, then he said, the thin man with the knob on the back of his head was kind of like their leader. And one time it showed up and just stared at him, and David ran inside told his father, like, there's this creepy dude

staring at me. Well, Dad got all shitty about it and yelled at him, quote, there's nobody out there, boy, quit making things up, And he whipped him with a switch. And the next day David saw the woman alien out in the yard and he ran up to her and he told her about this incident. He's like, my parents don't believe me. They would beat me up when I tell him about our encounters together, and what do I do?

He said. It was clear the alien woman did not like hearing this, and she looked down at him and said, plainly, quote, then don't tell them, which is just common sense. I feel like anybody could have told him that. Just keep it teased up. And David says after that, he never mentioned his encounters to his parents again, and that's probably a good thing, because the next encounter he had, well, it's not something you would share with your parents necessarily.

David was around seventeen years old and he was walking through the woods when he saw the alien woman in a clearing. It turns out that her name, or at least the name he had for her, was Crescent. She sat in the clearing in her long blue robe, with her thick black hair flowing down over her shoulders. She looked at David straight in the eyes, and she stood up and walked towards him without saying a word. David said at this point quote, I became very aroused sexually.

I couldn't get my pants down fast enough. So then Crescent brought him down to the grass on his back as he stripped all of his clothes off, and he straddled him and she wrote him up and down until he finally climaxed, which he said was actually quite painful, so painful in fact, that he passed out. I know, right, and when he woke up fifteen minutes later, he had his pants around his knees. He didn't understand why, and he ran off for home, presumably tripping because his pants

were around hopefully first um but he says. He says in the documentary quote, I figured, if anything, I'd be losing my virginity in the backseat of a Ford. But no, no, it didn't work out that way at all. He never worked sadily thinking, well, nope, I thought I'd lose my virginity in the cargo hold of a CSX eleven e

Glass Starfighter like most kids. But actually it was underneath the three moons of card luck, with nine Figland sharpshooters watching carefully to make sure I didn't make any wrong move. Side stories. Oh okay, I can't wait to hear it. Please clip glob tell us my virginity, Rancy, Alma, Yes, but it was not a human, so don't prevented idea. I have a lot of ideas, they're mostly perverted, but I might need some more information, Rancy. I don't know. I just got in the mood and swimmer robics will

do that to you. Anything you mean means Steberg Steberg. Oh, well, Meberg. Every time it Steborg? Where Steborg? Now? Can we meet him? Now? You know what I mean. It's a common problem amongst our people. I mean, we keep coming out if I love it exactly. Wow, you'll need some stepbooks. Maybe we could take a quick break and find them. Some think that's probably a good idea. Yeah, let's take a commercial break and we'll be right back after this. Okay, welcome

back to the show. And I gotta say teaching two aliens with a completely different anatomy about sex um didn't go well. And if you think that a human man can't find the quitter as well, yes, all the technology of intergalactic space travel and they still can't find it. All right, Well, anyway, when he was nineteen years old, David just had to get the hell out of Georgia. And I'm sure he's not the only one who's ever

said that. He just could not take it anymore. He said, quote there was just nothing there, which again there's not much, and again even less somehow, and one day he heard a voice telling him, quote if you don't leave now, you never will. So he left a note for his parents while they were gone, and he I gotta say, there's been a voice telling me that in my head for about fifteen years now, a few years. I know, right,

I know, right now is the time. Now. If it's the early nineteen sixties and you want to get away from weird creatures and dangerous situations, where do you go? New York City? Of course? Oh yeah, No weird creatures or dangerous situations in New York and the normal place to live now. David got himself into the Art Students League, an independent art school in Manhattan, and he studied painting.

But every night he dreamt of the same woman, a strange, pale faced woman with big eyes and long fingernails, and every morning he woke up hearing her say, quote, we'll be back tonight. That's so weird when you like wake up with a thing in your head. I get that sometimes where I wake up and I know it's still part of the dream, but my brain thinks it's I'm awake now, So you get that weird crosso over a moment.

I don't really remember my dreams, but when i'm coming, like when I'm waking up, I have a sense of like, oh no, don't leave yet, we need you like you have to stay here and finish the stream, like I have something important to do there, or that it's important that I'm there for some reason. So I'm always like, maybe it is another dimension. I'm like some ship that really matters, and I'm like, no, I gotta wake up,

make my podcast. I used to wake up as a kid. Um, I've frequently it was like my recurring nightmare as a as a young child, I would wake up just as I felt a hand coming out of my pillow and pulling me back into it. So I did not sleep with a pillow for like, I don't know how many probably it was probably like three years, but it felt like a lifetime. I just didn't sleep with a pillow. It's very uncomfortable to sleep without pillow. Yeah, it's probably

on my posture is so screwed up. Yeah, I was about to say, oh, thank you, that's probably why you're back. So fun. Well, David's hearing this voice every morning, and of course he can't think gear out if this is real or a dream either, or he wonders if he's just going crazy. But he decides he's got to figure

it out right being proactive about it. So he stopped by a bodega on his way home one night, and he picked up a bouquet of flowers, and he thought, hey, if this lady is real, then you know what these flowers are for her. So he placed the flowers on a table and he said to the empty room, quote, these are for you. And he went to bed. When he woke up the next morning, of course, the flowers we're gone. And David's thinking, oh my god, I think

I have a girlfriend. Because yeah, David had tried dating other girls in college, but he said it never lasted more than a single date. He said, quote, they would find some reason not to go out with me again. Okay, what did you talk about on these days? I know? Well again, at this point, he doesn't allegedly remember any of these alien encounters, so talking I don't. I don't know. It's kind of murky here because I'm like, but do

you remember, you remember the flowers? You remember something's happening. Yeah, but he's not really sure. He's just like, there's some woman talking to me in my sleep, and then she took the flowers. I know, we just got somebody in trouble because there's somebody listening to this going like wow that he bought flowers for somebody he didn't even know existed. But you can't bring me flowers. I know. Maybe you should have taken those Bodega flowers on your first date.

Next time, then you got a second date. Well, he and Crescent saw each other nightly and they had tons of sex, and I hope it got less painful, he said. It always went the same way. Crescent was on top of him, and in the corner of the room, the mantis always watched the real Richard Worsley, Jeez, do you think you think the mantis is like, yes, yes, open his bill, take off slowly, Hey, guys, come in here a check a roll off. And sometimes other aliens did

watch too, so maybe he did invite them. And naturally, this young man wants to brag about his sexual exploits. So one time when all the aliens were there, the little Harry guy, our Mini Sasquatch, the Grays, the mantis, Crescent, and the thin man, he asked them if he can start talking about his encounters with other people. And they all huddled up and conferred and they're like, looks to them, listen good, any business stuff to me? And the thin man looks back and says, so you can't let him

do that. Wow, he's their leader. He's breaking down stereotypes, and I appreciate it. Yeah, they wanted a man of the people and a man of the thin man, a man of the mantis. And David says, please, can I just share a little And so they huddle back up and eventually come back, and the thin man says, Okay, we talked it over. You can tell whoever you want

when you're fifty years old. Wow, which is quite I mean, I don't know if they're just like, no one will believe a fifty year old man, right, what was so special about being fifty? And they're like, you gotta let us get our affairs in order first before you start talking about it, before people start calling for interview. Right. Well, one night, a little while later, Crescent shows up at David's place and she is super stressed out. She's like

pacing back and forth. There's clearly something very wrong, and she says, quote, David, the baby is dying. And David is like, what baby are you talking about here? And she says your baby, oh baby, And David learns that he's actually an interstellar father, and so he starts making demands, i'd let me see my baby. I want to see my baby, and Crescent was very unsure about this. I

don't know if this is an idea. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to bring you back for this, and David is just insisting, so Chrest, it's like, all right, we'll go back aboard the ship. She brings him to the ship. He arrives in this well lit room again and everyone is standing around him, and the thin man is very upset that David was brought here. What do you think you're doing bringing David up here. We didn't agree on this. He's not supposed to be coming up

to the ship like this. So Crescent then goes to another room and she comes back in holding this very odd looking baby, and she's just like arms straight out in front of her, just dangling this baby, and it's like not really responding or reacting or moving or anything, and it's clearly really sick. And David is like, oh my God, give me that. That's not how you hold

a baby. You gotta give me that baby. So she hands it over to him, and as soon as she does, this static electrical charge passed between David and the baby, and the baby started moving. How yeah. The other aliens were like, well, holy sh it, this guy just cured the baby. And the mantis goes up to David and he's like hey. He leads David into another room, and in this one, the walls are lined with little beds

and each one holds an infant. My nightmare, by the way, I know, right, take me to a room and they're at dick and barely moving. Even worse, David says, quote, whose babies are these? And the mantis kind of tilts his head to the side and just pointed David like, obviously their years, bro, who's been sucking cresting a whole bunch? I can't think of anyone, but you you know how

babies are made, buddy. He's like, I don't know actually how they're made between because we have the only sex book and all of so David went around the room just touching each baby, and each one zapped back to help. So then he's like, I gotta start teaching these aliens how to be proper parents, which is funny because he's not a parent. He's like, I guess I ought to get some books like time for my instincts to kick

in my bothering instincts. I mean, I love that they say that the human touch is very important to a baby, but the idea that it's like this magical zapp that brings them back to like that need. They needed a specific human rearing right as opposed to an alien rearing, which I guess is where you hold it straight out. He even had to demonstrate how to nurse, and there is paintings of him suckling Crescent's breast as she holds one of the babies, like he's showing the baby. Get

it together. Kid. It's like it's stoppyest you put your mouth here and until some comes out. Babies like oh this whole time, what have I been thinking? It's a straw. I get it. It's all been up to me. Cresent is like, oh, I kept putting them and like on my toes. I didn't know this was four. Didn't know which hole was the inhole on these babies. Yikes. Baby's got a lot of holes humans and a lot of how things go in I don't know what's going on humans in general. Just a whole lot of holes in

your body. A lot of people are hearing this, like, hmmm, I'm glad they're childless. I love this idea of David teaching like some like some eighties movie, like I gotta teach these aliens how to be proper parents. Yes, what song? What he's bringing? He brings them like a discovery zone. They're like tossing the alien babies into the ballpits to

the rope course they go to check e cheese. The band starts playing and they just don't they zapped the death ray all the bands or they're like Charles Entertainment Cheese, we meet again. I thought you died in the Battle of Nag, but I see you've been hiding out on Earth playing music entertainment cheese. Oh of the planet gorg Nag. But after all these experiences, David is still immediately forgetting everything that happens, like he doesn't really know this is

happening in real time. He just, I guess, gets kind of confused about where he wakes up. Sometimes it's like a moon night situation, like what slightly less exciting, Yeah, yeah, I would say so. He's like covered in baby puke. It's like, what where was I last night? I don't work with children and As the years go on, aliens

are kind of visiting him less and less. The seventies just kind of came and went, which is interesting to me because for most people, the seventies is when they were having their most vivid lout nations, and this is when things were chilling out For David. He's like, I don't know why. Maybe they were like, you know what, we've got enough babies, press, why don't you reel it

in until these guys grow up leave the house. Well, David met a human woman, and I guess he did bring her a bouquet of flowers in the first date because it went well. They ended up falling in love and they got married. So David was living the nineteen eighties dream right. Everything was bad to the bone, Coca cola, funky fresh, Reese's pieces, Yeah you get it, Yeah, you get it, the eight modacious period. David had a little

painting studio in their apartment. He loved Impressionism. It's something he just loved Impressionism. That's kind of the style he went with as well. No info on what his wife did, but they lived together and eventually they even had a son of their own named Michael. Yeah, and stunned his wife with his unprecedented knowledge of how to raise a baby. I wonder what she said when one day he went up to Michael and he's like, let me demonstrate how

to how to nurse. All right, honey, take your shirt off. It's done. Like, I don't think it's that, No, I do. He's already latching, honey, let's let's not do that. So David had completely forgotten all these years of waking up in strange places. All that was behind him. But then around everything changed. David started to feel like someone was in their apartment when he was there alone. He started to feel like he was being watched. He got nervous

and paranoid and anxious. Then he started having flashes of images in brightly lit rooms where there were strange looking creatures standing around him. He saw walls of babies and a strange nursery. He remembered a rod up his nose. He remembered an odd looking woman riding his dick in a clearing in the woods. And of course he started to wonder maybe he was going crazy. But then David heard about a book by a man named Bud Hopkins, who was one of the world's biggest you followed GISTs

at the time. He was also an artist who grew up in the South and moved to New York City. He got some real acclaim for his abstract expressionist work in the nineteen fifties, and throughout the sixties and seventies,

his artwork was recognized and respected. He was publishing articles about art and lecturing at different arts schools, but then one he published a book called Missing Time, which is described on Barnes and Noble's website as quote the first focused study of an enigma that would come to captivate the world and challenge our understanding of the universe. That enigma alien abduction. And from that point on Bud was known just as much for his UFO and abduction research

as he was for his art. Bud had never been abducted himself, but in nineteen sixty four, he, his wife and a friend of theirs all saw a dark, flat, elliptical UFO hovering off the coast of Cape Cod and he reported it to the National Guard, but there amissive response made him think they were covering something up, which I kind of wonder if there's if you if you know, if we had time to go through all the declassified UFO stuff that the government releast if there's like a

Cape Cod incidence, that would be pretty interesting anyway. Then Bud started collecting stories of people who had alien encounters. Yeah, and before long Bud was the guy for UFO stuff, and people were all coming to him about it. People who've been educted or had had sightings of their own. We're calling him up to tell him about it, try and make sense out of it all. And a lot of them were missing time with big gaps in their memories.

One guy, his name was George Obarski. He had witnessed an alien spacecraft land in New Jersey and take some soil samples before getting back in their ship and flying away. After this, Bud Hopkins got involved in the New York State Mutual UFO Network or MUFUN to investigate some we don't get with the big deal. Is you mean about seeing an alien spaceship land and take soil samples as

if they're studying the earth without our knowledge? And I'm pretty sure, hey, when you've ever watched through New Jersey started, I better get some soil sample. Yeah, the place is a complete scientific anomaly. So that was you. Oh yeah, we wanted to try our luck in Atlantic City. We ended up walking out of there with about six thousand lard nuts. Okay, so so you did well. We walked in with blackness. Okay. Okay, So you took the soil samples,

did you run tests? What did you find? Every soil sample we pose from the New Jersey eg a band with what? I believe you how that's not fair, that's not fair. There are some beautiful parts of New Jersey, and I'm sure some wonderful people live up there. My grandmother used to live in New Jersey and we would go visit her every summer. There's people who was lovely. It was lovely. Hey, do you know why it's so hard to cheer up on New Yorker Because the light

at the end of the tunnel is New Jersey. Guys get getting that. We did have a difficult time studying in the back area and the New Jersey so well, because the New Jersey is impossible to find an active driving culture. Why do you have the same jokes about New Jersey that were right? You kids say that, no, it's sucked up. Jersey is cool. No, But seriously, folks, we should apologize to the human citizens of New Jersey. Thank you. I'm sure they'll appreciate that, thank you. I mean,

they have it hard enough living in New Jersey. Alright, okay, all right, you guys. That's it. We're gonna take a commercial break. We're gonna have a little conversation with these two about their manners. We will be right back. It's the Gardens date. I'll have no welcome back to the show everyone, And we want to apologize for these sents, sleek, rue comments we made about New Jersey. Yes, you keep read that, it is true. Alright, alright, alright, to go

go push your button please, thank you, thank you. Started pushing my buttons, pushing the buttons and everybody in the great state of New Jersey. Well, we don't want Jersey after us, you know, no, not really. We're gonna get

some cement shoes, all right, all right. Before that little tangent, we were talking about how David Huggins having all of his forgotten abduction memories flashing back through his mind, and how he found a book by the ufologist Bud Hopkins, who saw one UFO and then dedicated his life to researching them. David said that he was drawn to this book, which was Bud hopkins second book called Intruders like a compulsion,

Like he's just like I gotta read this book. I don't know why, and he started reading it super diligent, just every word. Hopkins himself is the guy who more or less popularized the idea of aliens abducting humans for genetic experiments, this whole idea of getting probed and experimented on. Bud Hopkins is the guy, and I mean, you know, he pulled this from what everyone told him about their experiments.

I don't know if he spoke to Betty and Barney Hill or not, but you know, I know they kind of talked about it and then would kind of not want to talk about it for a while, kind of back and forth for a while. Yeah, they definitely had like they had those needle the needle in her a kind of thing. And they did have some missing time as well, right because they couldn't remember their trip home driving home. I would imagine he was so diligent and they had a book published and everything, Like, I bet

they spoke, you know. So. Bud Hopkins also believed that humans were basically being raped by aliens because of our ability to reproduce, Like they're literally just using us as baby making machines to crank out these hybrid human aliens that they were trying to create an army of. And depending on who you talk to, there's areous reasons that the aliens might be doing this. Right, Um, I know some people believe those hybrids have infiltrated our society at

its highest levels today, William is one. Pretty soon they'll find out that we are, and that's we're just covering it up with our sarcasm. That's right, that's right. Our charm is nothing but a deflection. Well, they have to tell you, you know. Well, anyway, David reads this book and he says specifically that the chapter Other Women, other Men really broke his brain because he realized that Bud was basically describing his alien girlfriend Crescent in the book.

And the more he read of the book, the more his memories were flooding back to him. Interesting, So the next time David saw Crescent, he's like, hey, look, I want to remember more of this. I want to document it, you know, I want to tell people what's happening here. And Christen's like, I don't know, doesn't seem like such a good idea. She's She's like, I've gotta ask my manages.

So David gets brought back to the spaceship and he tells the thin man that he wants to take this relationship to the next level, and once again, all the aliens huddle together. If he did, they turned back around, and the thin man says, Okay, tell you what. You're an artist. We decided to let you paint about it. Paint about it, all right, I mean that's a form of expression, right. So they're like, don't say it in words,

but said in something else. It's like interpretive dance. I wish they had told him become an interpretive dancer if he had been, if they had abducted a dancer, that that would have been. I would love to see an interpretive dance of this. Anyway, new friend, show who's in call me? So. Three weeks after this, David picked up a paintbrush and made his first painting, and that night he said he slept better than he had in a

very long time. It was like his own form of therapy, just like expressing the thing that had honestly traumatized him. David even said, quote, I was traumatized. I'm not saying I wasn't, but doing the paintings helped calm him down, and he said he was able to accept that these things had happened to him and helped him face them. He doesn't hate the aliens, he doesn't resent the aliens, and neither is he worshiping them or saying like, you know, our alien gods are coming back for us or anything

like that. He's not even saying they're coming to hurt us. He's just like, ah, this happened, and yeah it was. It was damaging, you know, like just you know that they didn't realize what they were doing or whatever. His sort of reasoning behind it is. But he's got this very pragmatic, practical look at it where he recognizes that there's some trauma um but also doesn't spin that into a whole conspiracy theory about how they're taking over the world.

Right Also, like he's talking about the power of art therapy, which is very real for sure. For sure. Now, it's not clear, unfortunately, from the documentary or any of the articles that I read, which one of these paintings was David's first too bad, I know, I mean, it might have been the portrait of the tall naked woman with an alien face who's cupping her own boobs. Maybe it was one that he painted titled Nursing Lesson, which is the one where you can see him with Crescent's boob

in his mouth while an alien baby watches. Now, do the boobs look like human boobs? Very human body looks like a human body, regular human boobs. Didn't He's got a great body. No, his his lady had a cat body. She was like a humanoid, but it was all furry like a cat. Right, but she had boobs and stuff, right, Yeah, it was like a human shaped body. But his was his was like this was like one of the cats and cats. He yeah, Simon barks is like released the

butt hole cut um. Other paintings that might have been his first, I don't know. He has one called first Time, which shows Crescent mounting him in the clearing in the woods, or his painting Implant, which is the one where she's giving him the intergalactic COVID tests the metal rod up his nose um. There's paintings of him being dragged into

the ship by the grays. There's ones of the nursery with its walls lined with hybrid babies, and one of my favorites, where a group of tall, strong women that all look a lot like crescent are holding David by his arms while another one of them jerks him off into a bowl. Romantic zaragoes are Christmas plans. Now you can see and I think you can still order some of the prints of some of these paintings on Love and Saucers dot com. Uh, I did not see the one with the bowl. That one. I only saw that

one in the documentary. I couldn't find that anywhere on the internet. It's too bad. We can't by that and frame it up, make it be the first thing you see when welcome to our home. You better know. I want to set a tone whatetting into. But there are quite a few of the paintings on the website, and again just you can google him you'll find a lot of his pictures. They're really quite fascinating, but he insists that they are all real events that happen every painting

he made. In fact, he says one time he was kind of frustrated with the aliens and he just made something up and painted it. He doesn't say what, but then afterwards he just felt really wrong about making this painting, and he destroyed it himself. And the next time he saw the aliens, they told him, quote, do the paintings, but don't make anything up. WHOA like, if you're gonna talk about us, you're gonna be accurate. I don't want

I don't want you telling tall tales. You're gonna keep it to the standard, believable, real story about how we abduct you, would have sex with you, and there are hundreds of your high head babies on our ship. No exaggeration, said that. Enough, right, we don't want people thinking you're crazy. We don't want people thinking bad things about us. Yeah, we wanted to think we're gonna hold him down and

jerk him off into a ball, simple believable alien stuff. Unfortunately, just a few months after David read the Bud Hopkins book, he and his wife divorced. He said she knew that there was something different about him, but once he started doing all these paintings and came clean to her about his past experiences, she would not hear it. She was like, I ain't trying to hear none of that abduction stuff. She called him crazy. She said he was making it

all up. He's like, no, they won't let me. He said, right then and there, that was the end of their marriage, and he does admit that they were already having some troubles.

They were a bit rocky, and he came to her and said, by the way, I've been sucking an alien for many years, and she was like, you know what, I think that is maybe the straw that will break the backup, buddy, Camila, Honey, I know we've been having some problems lately, so I think I think the right thing to do is to come clean and this this will fix our relationship having sex with aliens for decades now. I'm just going to make a quick call to my

divorce lawyer. At some point, his son, who was a young boy at the time, asked him who was in the paintings, and David just told him there were some friends of his that lived quote unquote someplace else. He

should have just said Paulding, Georgia. Check going. As time went on, more people became aware of David's experiences, and generally, between the people interviewed in the documentary and other journalists who have written pieces, it seems like people kind of believe him, or at least they believe that he is being genuine about his experience, right right, Like the documentary is full of all these conversations with his friends and neighbors who all kind of say, like, look, this is

a really sweet man who just told me about his life. He just told me what happened to him. Of course I believe him. Like I wasn't there, you know, I could say, right, no, you didn't get abducted by aliens. I'm sorry. Were you watching me that night? You know? They're like, who cares. David started working part time with this Delhi, partly to supplement his income and partly just

so he could have some more human interaction. And his boss at that Delhi, says that everyone loves him, that he's a really good worker, and when they asked him if he believes David's stories, he said, quote, yes, I do. That's what he tells me, and I just believe it. I wonder if anyone ever calls and they're like, hey, man, I can't come to work today. I'm a real sick, and he's like, listen, you say it. I believe he's like the best manager, the worst. If you're working that day, yeah,

I gotta cover all these bestards. I'm a friend of David's points out that it's not like David ever really profited off of this. He wasn't really trying to get interviews, he wasn't out there selling a book or anything like that. David was prolific with his art, but he never really did anything with his paintings. He never tried to sell him or anything until actually they set up a gallery

show for him during the making of this documentary. And he's in his sixties at this point, and it's really kind of sweet to watch people get excited about his work. David's there for the opening and he's like answering questions and he's telling stories to these like very bewildered visitors that came to see this show. I mean, clearly, if

you shut up for this show, you're interested. And the guy is they're ready to tell you his stories, and he's so earnest and just sweet, and he's just like yeah, yeah, no. This is the part where they they held out the baby to me and I had to show him how to suck a boob. You know, his language is better than mine. I have to say I would go to this show absolutely. There an art gallery opening to compare to this one in uniqueness. Oh my goodness, if there

is someone tell us so. Yeah, nobody is out here asking if David is making any of this up. And I think I think we felt similarly about Simon Park because he also is very like parathetic and eloquence and the way he talked about it, um, although Simon got way more into the idea that there's this conspiracy behind it all in the Mantids and Nordics are secretly running the world and pitting nations against each other for some reason. No one knows what that is. Step to something, step

three profits. But David just kind of sweetly says that he has an alien girlfriend, it's been a weird life, he's got a bunch of babies out there. Um. But he doesn't seem to want to get too involved in all this, you know, conversation about what you know, what they're doing here, where they're from or whatever. Whenever he's asked about that, David just kind of shrugs and says, quote,

if they ever tell me, I'll let you know. But he does say that despite the confusion and the trauma, he would stay with the aliens if they let him. Crescent actually asked her superiors once if David could just stay on the ship, but the Mantis told her no, he has to go back home. David says he would have gone with them and wouldn't miss Earth because all the global warming and wars and so on and so forth. Right, fair enough, David again, just another sweet answer he gave

in the documentary. Or they're like, would you go with them? And he's like, yeah, yeah, it's kind of a mess here, Yeah, it sounds nice. It'd be funny if you were like, all right, yeah, I'm gonna leaver something. You get on the plane and like yeah, we'll take you to our home planet and you get there and it's like a ball of fire and he's like, damn, that's what I left.

I wonder if he had to go back. Is it like a because you know when humans live in space for too long, right, like we yeah, it's like the expense, like our bones are different and we you know, just our weight is completely different, um distributed, so we just you know, maybe it's something like that, like very practical reason why he can't come, or if it's like why not, I mean, what's I feel like the Mantis is just

like you know, we've got rules. If you bring home your human mate, everybody's gonna want to bring one home. We can't have them running around. You know, you introduced an invasive species and you never know what's going to happen. And I mean humans are a very invasive species. Like look what they did to see how you want to leave. I don't want our qual of fire. Planets come from qual of fire. So yeah, again, sincerity is not really the question here. It's really more about what is really

happening with David. Right, of course, we can only speculate ourselves because we don't know. I wasn't there either. He's never been on any medications, he's never been institutionalized, and he's never seemingly brought any harm or struggle to anyone that we know of. I mean, maybe some struggle for his wife, but we don't and can't know what happened with their marriage. She in fact, refused to be interviewed for the documentary. I can't really blame her for that.

You know, sometimes you just don't want to write. You're just like, whatever you want to think about me is fine. I'm not important to this story. I don't have any stake in it, Please leave me alone. There's no telling what was already a problem in their marriage, you know, between them, or what David is like as a husband. Part of me definitely thinks like, well that was It's a little harsh for her to just be like, you're crazy,

I'm done with this, um, you know. So maybe I would wish she'd be a little more understanding or or patient and maybe helping him get therapy or something that's what she feels like he needs. Anyway, it doesn't matter. We don't know what was going on there, but I can definitely say that, like, if you hear this about your partner, you would be like, I do not want to spend the rest of my life being asked about this.

You know. If I show up in this interview, I am attached to it forever anyone I try to date in the future, like it's you know, it's kind of a celebrity you didn't ask for, you know, and not a fun not necessarily a fun no. But I'm trying to piece it altogether myself. Here and again speculation space station for all of this, because I'm thinking, Okay, David had an abusive childhood, probably more than we even know. I'm I just mean emotional abuse. You know how frequent

the physical abuse was? Was he not allowed to go you know, Oh no, I'm not driving you into town to hang out with your friends, that kind of thing. So he's out in the middle of nowhere with this probably a very wild and active imagination as he tries to entertain himself and even if they didn't beat him all the time, if they're drinking and fighting together enough of a like I'd like to escape from here. Absolutely, Yeah,

So there's that, and then he goes. He escapes to New York City again in the nineteen sixties, not exactly a comfortable environment, and he starts missing time, you know, is he just who knows? If he gets there, and maybe he has a drinking problem himself. I don't know if he's ever had an issue with that or not, doesn't doesn't mention it. But for any number of reasons, maybe it's a psychological or a or a or a physical thing, you know, with his health, that he's missing

time for some reason. Um in either case, later in life, he starts having troubles in his marriage and then he finds this book, right this Butt Hopkins Alien abduction book. And my question is because he says he never remembered these things earlier in life, and the book made the memories flood back to him. Did they or did they generate stories to fill in those gaps that his brain had previously tried to, you know, keep him safe from or hide from him. And now he's like, oh my god,

this alien woman. Yeah, that is the lady who stuck a rod up my nose and told me i'd feel better. Yeah, that is the person who sexually abused me in the woods. You know, Oh, it was just an alien woman. That's actually really cool. You know, your brain does some weird ship to help you cuse with trauma depending on what happens to you. Yeah, that's that's definitely a possibility, right, and again who knows? Arm pre Stir from that article on the art blog dot org said quote, If David

is indeed crazy, he's in good company. Unusual ideas are almost always perceived as odd or askew until the common mind can make use of it, and as we all know, artists are anything but common. David's paintings may be the work of a madman, or David maybe the victim of childhood trauma or abuse, or the most radical scenario of all.

David may be painting the truth. Your government is kick having people and by having to elaborate sets designed to look like spacious kicking them and keep thinking, having experiented on by aliens, that they actually doing it themselves. Yes, wearing big rubber costumes like in the Emission Impossible movies. Okay, that's a stretch. I feel like you're overestimating our government's ability to coordinate project of that scale. And also why right,

why would they do that? Look, we don't know. We're kind of a neutral party when it comes to alien human relations. Oh so you two are not involved with any of you all don't know christ at any of them. Well, we used to work for the game man, but honestly, I just cries a lot. Yeah, you think it's gonna be a cool job with lots of travel and adventure, but then you spend most of your time talking your boss down off a ledge blush. That nursery smells like

old scores naps. That sounds gross. You don't know the half of it, David, never talk aliens. How to change a diver and trash pickup is only every third Flirks Day. How often is that? Only twice at Gulf Noor? Oh my god? All right, um, guys, hang on a second. We're still talking about the episode here. Yes, whatever analysis you need to make, we're here, vote it. We love the show. Hi coming to you. Um yeah, So I

just don't know. Part of me is just like sure, I'm going to believe David because the other thing, the thing that weirds me out about it is the consistent similarities between a lot of these people's stories that seemingly come up with them independently. Right Like now, it's a little harder because everybody the idea of an alien is ubiquitous. We all sort of know sort of the Probes and

the Grays and like we get all that. But early on the sixties and stuff, when it was just first happening, people in different parts of the world were describing very similar experiences. I mean, even Simon Parks had similar aliens, the the Nords and are the the Nordics and the Mantids, which are very mantis like creatures. His female alien he was having sex with we talked about before it was more of like a cat person um, whereas David's was

more human with a gray face. But you wonder if there's not some mixed perception in there, because both of them say too, they're not. They don't seem to be fully conscious when they're involved with the aliens, you know, like they're they're they're both kind of have hazy sort of ideas about it. So I don't know, there's just some crossover that's like, Okay, I'm get a little uncomfortable now,

but I still don't really believe it. I don't know because I in the Betty and Barney Hill episode, we talked about how they kind of were dismissed a little bit because around the time that they had they were started talking, there had been like a TV show or a book or something had come out that did have these types of aliens in them. And that was pretty early sixties. So it's like, you know, culture isn't as viral, you know, as today, but it does still happen in

the past. So I wonder how many people just read like a pulp novel that a lot of people don't read because they're not into sci fi, And so you just happen to have people in the early sixties in different areas being like, oh, that just influenced my imagination in a certain way, or you know, I don't know, this guy doesn't seem to be wanting a lot of attention, so why would you bother making out the story? Is sort of the main thing for me is like what's

the payoffs to just that you're interesting? Quote unquote. I mean I firmly believe that he's not making anything up in terms of just like he's not deliberately lying for attention or for profit or anything like that, because he's not. I think he really believes it. So it's a question of whether or not it happens or or what happened

rather what actually happened right well? And does it immediately discredit you if you try to make money off your story, because I know Betty and Bernie Hill were definitely like, we got we want to tell people. And I don't know if it was because they want to make money or not, but you know, it's like if you had an alien encounter, would you not want to be like, guys,

holy shit, it's true. There's people out there, and I've got to tell everyone because we need some like homeland security plan that terry security or something, and for people to come and tell you, well, you better not make any money off of your own experiences. Yeah, that's pretty twisted. Yeah.

I don't know why that would immediately mean that you must be lying no, but it does lend credence to it, because of course you're like, well, now you have a motive to lie exactly, and that's all you need sometimes to on someone. True, it's now speculation space to me. I'm thinking about that metal rod, yes, that he says

got put up his nose. What if they were implanting something in his brain that was doing the job of kind of like making forget things, making him become immediately aroused when she shows up at the right time, you know what I mean? Because I'm like, how do you know that a human would be sexually attracted to you unless you made sure you know what I mean? And you're like, the point is to breed with you, so I have to make sure that that thing works that

you got. I don't know. Is there a lot of women who say they've been there are there are quite a few. I mean, I don't know about sex um, but I but I did read you know, there are a number of women who have also had alien encounters um. Of course, Betty being the first one we talked about, the first one there was, and she said it was there were fertility experiments, right, but none of them tried to sleep with her, right that it was mostly it seems like an implantation sort of vibe like could your

could we put a baby in your room. We'd have to go look at Bud Hopkins book or some of these collective stories to get more of that. But but the way Budd describes it is that there are a lot of alien sexual encounters and um, and that a number of the people he talks about who have come to him are women. So you know, I'm deducing maybe that, Yes, I just wondered if the aliens, over a period of time learned like, hey, get the guys, the human guys,

the alien ladies, and then we get our hybrids. Otherwise it's all a mess. We're not getting what we're looking for. Or if they you know, if the human woman is got a hybrid, you know what I'm saying, like growing in her stomach. But because she spends all her time on Earth, it just like you need to like constant, like I don't know, so kind of like nutrition or something like help it become a hybrid or I don't know. I mean, Simon Park says he is part alien. His

parents one of his aris was an alien. Oh that's right, I forgot about that. Yeah. He said that one of them just impregnanted his mom or something like that. Hmm, So does that make him more compatible? Oh? I don't know. I don't know. I just wonder what this long game is. If the point is to breed, what's the long game? This has always been my question is why, And it's the question of so many conspiracies. I'm just like, what's exactly that? What is the end game? You know? Could

the aliens? Maybe the aliens are so ancient that they forgot how to reproduce her. They can't themselves, you know, so they're using us to create more of them, even though they're like half of they're like half humans, better than nothing, you know. I don't know. I'm what I'm saying is maybe it's not about taking over our planet. It's just like we're the resource that they need, so

come here, harvest and then go home. Because I will say this, if the aliens are taking over our planet, if they're infiltrating our governments, if they're trying to control things here for whatever benefit they might be getting out of it. They're doing a terrible job. I have notes. I'm more than happy to discuss them with y'all. Have any note it is not going well? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know unless you're just strictly you know, you're

sadists and this is entertainment. Well, I think it's hard to know if it's going well or not unless you know the goal. I don't understand how the goal could just be chaos. Yeah, maybe it's funny. Maybe we're their entertainment, that's what I'm saying. They're saying, and they're just watching us. Yeah, yeah,

they're just watching the paint. And then sometimes they want to have sex, and sometimes they want to have se I mean that sounds very human to me, in which case I'm just like, come on down and hang out with us. All. We're doing the same thing. We love chaos and we like having sex. Like, come on, They're like, we all the same goals here. Yeah, exactly, come on, guys, we can hang out. No, they're like, we know how racist you are. We're not coming down there. It's true.

Racism is one of the main things that keeps aliens from your planet. As you can see, we haven't been that amnt sid all kinds of things. Real rainbow coalition up there on that shop. Yeah, why can't we do it? Maybe you could teach us something. I wouldn't feel qualified to solve the problems of Earth racism if I it would make it that boring TD show. And this one's pretty funny. That's true with you guys, really nailed hit

the nail on the head there. He has really hit the floor on the glen there by when you said that we were just watching the chaos because we've tuned in for a couple episodes. It's pretty good. You can do next. It's no scandal, but it's pretty good. Okay, Well, I think Carrie Washington, your first popular all hell Shonda rhyme, we struck a chord with you guys, our religion around Saunder rhymes. Well, it's less of a religion and more of just an intense fandom. Well, I guess I would.

I would ask Ozark and clip glor you know, all have any sort of insight to help us wrap up this story? Uh, any sort of input as to what's going on here with David with these these other aliens. I know y'all aren't friends with them necessarily, but do you do you have any idea about what's really going on? H yes to say they're just real past Yes, it's true, man, this is always just trying to get laid. They go from planet to planet. They love watching. They like to

prefer to watch. Honestly, if you if you ever having sex, thank you. Thank someone's watching. They are. It's a giant praying there this alien creature. Don't tell me, oh my god. Okay, yeah, thanks for that cheerful note. And I'm very scarily you're never going to have sex with the lights off again. Okay, well, um, that is very interesting insight from Glip Glip Glorbey. Thank you guys for for beaming us up today the episode wishing us here with your magic glowing orb. Of course,

any time we would love to have you again. Al Right, Can we get home though? Yes? Can we get home? Does there a wish in there for that? Yeah, we'll figure it out after the out show music. Right, Okay, great news, guys, that's perfect. Well, thank you so much for tuning in today. Um, we hope you enjoyed this episode. From space. Yeah, let us know what you thought of David's story. You know, are you into this? Are you

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We keep a little profile, um, and I kind of want to know what y'all think they look like. So if you are an artist of any sort, which means if you just put crayon to paper, I want to see what y'all think of Clip Glorpe and Ozark and their spaceship that they brought us to. So please send us your art and we'll share it on our Instagram. So much. Yes, awesome, So hit us up. You can email, let me do the let me do the email information.

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