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What are you doing here?
I got a question for you. Do you know what's ridiculous? Yes, because you do?
I do?
All right, Well, you want to share with the bro, all right?
So sometimes I like to list off things I like. Yeah, so candles. I've talked about how much I like candles.
Do you like candles?
I do like sunscreen. I try and wear it, yes, just burn easily.
Yeah, you like sunscreen. You also like sunsets.
I do like sunset Sunset magazine, Sunset magazine as my lifestyle. The other thing I like tennis. Oh yeah, I haven't played in some time, but I used to play a lot when I was younger. I could see that I was very competitive. Yes, played all the time. Prince is a tennis company. They make tennis probable.
Oh not Prince the musician. No, that would have been really confusing. For the one second there I was thinking. I was picturing Prince like wrapping handles like welcome to my shot, baby, here you go, get you got like a purple tennis racketers a whole time.
I actually had for a time, I had a Prince racket that was purple.
There you go. You see my confusion, and so you know.
But so Prince makes rackets, they make they make tennis balls.
Tennis ball isn't familiar with them.
And then there's this other company called Vacation.
There's a company called Vacation.
Yeah, and they make what they call is America's best smelling sunscreen.
They seem like a scam. I'm just going to say, if you're one hundred business is called Vacation, Like, what are you hiding?
One hundreds percent?
All right?
Go on, So they make they make sunscreen, and they've teamed up with Prince to tennis company, yes, yeah, to sell something called ball Boy.
I knew it.
Go on, ball Boy. It's a scented candle. Oh wow, called ball Boy.
A scented candle named ball called ball by.
A luxury scented candle. Commemorating the historic moment when Prince and Vacation employees at the seventh Annual Interoffice Tennis Championships stumbled upon an insight that would change the trajectory of the Vacation Sunscreen Company forever.
This is a crazy paragraph.
Yeah, go on, it's premium. Soy blend wax. It's vegan and cruelty free percent cotton wick and generously tall glassware as they say fancy, but do you want to hear the fragrance notes.
I'm waiting for it.
Freshly uncanned tennis balls, which smell very distinct like.
Car smell, that is specific.
Crack, Oh my god, that's like one of my favorite things. Vacation sunscreen, which I don't know what that smells like, but who knows. Uh, Prince cotton sweat bands, Okay, I would hope doesn't really smell like anything.
But yeah that once again, like not really as.
This is the one that makes me want to punch my face, like punch at my eye sockets. Court side cucumber sandwiches what like what.
In every syllable got weirder? How was it? Courtside cucumber what?
I don't know why, I'm like irrationally.
Then get backwards it up and I was like, wait a minute, there's such a thing as a cucumber sandwich.
Cucumber sandwich inside cucumber sandwich. How you know this is some weird Yeah? Okay, so sandwiches, sweat bands, sunscreen, and tennis balls.
That's what that's what a tennis that's what a ball boy smells like.
Apparently that's that's basically what my summer is at the age of twelve, smelled ball boys.
I called this, Elizabeth Dutton.
That is ridiculous.
That is ridiculous. I got one for you. If you got a second, please, here's it. Back down. This one is you're ready. It's just a I got a it's a six words okay, cobra venom as a business plan. This is Ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one ridiculous. You damn right, Okay, ridiculous Elizabeth Saren got a question for you. Sure you know I'm definitely afraid of snakes.
I do you've told me about that?
Yes? If I ever tell you about the time I walked out into the sky to get away from a snake. Okay, So I have I have his buddy, Jeff. Let's just take me a second and trust me. This is connected Today's crime very intimately. But I have this buddy Jeff. He's a bass player and you know how they are, right, He's a he's a total bass player. By that I mean mostly chill, very solid guy, right, but also totally weird sense of humor. True, so base player.
Yeah.
Yeah. Anyway, so one time I'm visiting him. This was in LA and it was like he lived about a block above Sunset Boulevard. So we're hanging out and he's like, hey, you want to go up to on the roof to uh enjoy the night air. And we go up there. We're enjoying the night air, and uh, you have to keep in mind to get to his roof, you take a stairway. You don't go like, what are the fires apes like on the East coast. It's just a stairway built into the building, right, So then you go up
and on. Once you're on the roof, you can continue going up because there is a ramp that goes up on top of the stairway that got you there.
So there is a.
Roof on a roof.
So you guys were like Willie Nelson and Jimmy Carter's son, Yes.
Up on the roof having a moment, white house style and we're on a roof on a roof, Okay, So we go up there and to get this better view of the city and Willie Nelson our way around, right, And as soon as I'm up there, I see this big dark shadow and I'm like, what the hell? And it's nighttimes, I can't exactly see what it is, but what I'm looking at is a coiled up snake. So I it is a thick, long daddy of a snake. Elizabeth, Right, So I freak out, and me being me, what do
I do? I take action? So I'm like, I gotta get out of here. I gotta held away from the snake. So I just step out into the sky. That was my idea. I'm like, well, I'm out of here. So there was no possible there was no more roof, right, So no, I didn't jump. I just stepped out. I just walked off the roof like I'm out of here. We're like three floors up at this point, right, So I'm like a cartoon coyote, right, I'm wily coyote standing in the sky for a moment like looking at my
buddy like you're gonna do something about that snake. And then all of a sudden, gravity catches up and I start to fall all right, and boom, I hit real hard. My buddy He's like, my prank is backfired, and he's like totally upside He runs down. He thinks he may have killed me. Right, you know, I'm a stunt man. So I corrected him mid air, and I kind of like like I flying squirreled out of the fall. I hit, I rolled. It didn't kill me, right, but I was
like still so afraid of the snake and adrenalized. I didn't care. And then I realized at no point, like between me seeing the shadow and me hitting the ground, did it ever occur to me that it may be a rubber snake, that it may be a prank. I was still going, like, why did you get a live snake? I'm still thinking it's a snake because that's how absolutely afraid of the snake. That's exactly the question. There's not gonna be a snake on a roof in Lahit a giant,
long daddy snake. I mean, it just looks like a well fed boa instricter. Oh okay, turns as you said, this huge rubber and he thought I'm gonna play a prank on there, and he didn't know that I would walk out into the sky. Yeah, so this is what I want to talk to you about today. Snakes.
That's amazing.
I've done that.
I've been the one pulling the prank. You pulled the prank, yeah, and I felt really really bad.
But did you almost kill your friend too? I did.
It was my neighbor and he was deathly afraid of snakes, I mean like terrified, yes, yes, and I was, you know, every year I went crazy at Halloween and I had like all like over the top decorations, and in some of my like looking for stuff for the decorations, I found one of those little snake toys, like the toy you put in water and it expands.
Oh yeah, totally.
So I got a big stock pot and I put the snake in there and I filled it with water and I let it expand over like two days. It was enormous. And then I, you know, he came over, because all the neighbors would come over and we'd sit out and like hand out candy and have you know, dinner and stuff whatever snacks. So I bring out this big pot and I was like, you know, I made
you this like specialty, this chicken bog specialty. I'm like here, look, I said it, Dan, you gonna love this, he opens it up and sees it and screamed at such a high pitch he could, and then he just split. He just ran like, didn't look at traffic, just ran right out into the road, across the street to his house.
Yes, is what we do. Abady ran through a door if he could.
I felt so bad. It was so cruel, and I was mad at myself for doing something like that.
But okay, well I accept your The thing about it is is like with snakes, is that those of us who are irrationally afraid, is that there's nothing like I cannot describe it. It's one of the few moments I just lose everything, like I'm not thinking I am. It's like I am reduced. I'm pulled all the way back through time and all of a sudden, I'm a caveman looking for a stick. That's all My thoughts are. Fine, stick hit snake. Yeah, it is really embarrassing anyway, Snake crimes,
cobra venom. That's what I wanted to talk to you about today.
This is brave of you.
Thank you. Ever been to a reptile show?
Yes? Do you know that I've been to like a reptile enclosure in a zoo typeing.
Like a like a repticon reptile show like traveling rate. Okay, of course, do you know that I once to my irrational snake phobia and I went to the world's largest reptile show. What yeah, ye, with no therapy plan, no one there to hold my hand. I just went in, no gun, nothing for what.
Like I swaze your anxiety. I'm still irrationally free to snakes.
No, I was. It was for a story for journalism. Hey, you go down there, and I did it all right, So how do you think it went?
Not good?
Yeah, about as well as you can imagine. No, Personally, I considered it a wild success because one, I did not kill any children or any family members or any of the snake owners on my way fleeing the buildings.
And he didn't jump off a root.
No, I didn't jump off any buildings, and I didn't flip any tables. I didn't stomp any snakes. It was a total success. Right. So the reason that the really bring up reptile shows is is that that's a great place to do some crimes, right, and like, no, honestly, like, okay, here, I'll put it this way. When I went to the reptile Show. Right, I got to meet and interview a bunch of like snake and lizard people. Okay, I don't mean like like David, like steak and lizard people. Right.
Do you need to talk about the.
Shape changing alien people? They came up to be Elizabeth and they told me their plans were all domination?
Is this going to get anti?
Can we talk to about this? No? So not not those lizard people. I just mean like people who like lizards and stuff. So reptiles show people, right, So let me tell you they are a unique bunch, like a legit unique bunch. And I liked them. I liked these We have total opposite views on a lot of things like snakes, but I totally loved them. Yes, I was like, these people are cool. My point is that reptile shows they draw a certain type.
Right.
I noticed there was like an identifiable crowd when I was there.
They're all cold.
Now, you know, like, I think this is true for most cons and conventioneers. You know, like if you go to a comic book con, you could see comic book people.
Right.
You go to a y literature you see ye literacy people. These were the snake and lizard people. Now, I don't mean though they look alike or they act alike. There's nothing like physically immediate. It's more like they have the shared appreciation.
Right.
They all love snakes or reptiles or whatever that they love, right, and you can detect this vibe. It's a vibe, it's a right, and that's what makes them snake people. You did what I'm saying, I'm right there, Okay, So now I can report when you're at a reptile show, you can also clearly spot amongst these snake people the ones who've gone over. Do you know what I mean by that? So gone over is like if you were at a gun show, you'd meet the people'd be like, hey, I
can show you a three D printed ghost gun. Right, you want a bazooka that fell off a military to.
Every every group of special interest has the ones who've gone over.
Yeah, exactly right. So at the reptile the shows, they have these folks, right, and they'll sell you an a legal, like, not just unegal and traceable ghost gun. They'll sell you an illegal African puff adder, right. So they're like, hey, you want to go with the world's most venomous snake, I get you one for a thousand bucks or whatever. Right, so they're willing to sell you basically nature sniper rifle, right,
and I'm like, that's that's cool or whatever. And also I found that there were like these ball pythons with like a pattern on the snake skin that looks like a smiley face emoji.
Right.
Yeah, so into this mix enter my boy David Snedden. Snedden, Sneddin, s n E D D net make right, Yeah, exactly netting. So it was Independence Day week and twenty twenty fourth of July, right, yeah, America and in the.
Twenty twenty so we were still kind of locked down.
Yes exactly, but Repticon rolled on, like mask up and get some snake action. Right. So he was in South Carolina for Repticon Eliza. But they told you Repticon is one of the biggest reptile trade shows in the world. Not as big as the one I went to in Soco, which is the biggest one in the world. Yeah, but this is a huge one. It's like it would take up a convention center. It's like Sunday Sunday Sunday Reptic on at the Jacksonville State fairgrounds, bigger kids, fun for
the whole family, all the snakes. You can shake a stick at reptac on. It's that kind of vibe. Right. So you get there and Snedden. So where in South Carolina? I don't know what city, I you know, I assume one of the big ones like Charleston.
I don't know, so I'm guessing probably somewhere around Colombia.
It could be Columbia. Yeah, that probably makes sense anyway. So he's there pushing product, some of it legal, some of it illegal. And in this case the illegal stuff was Mohabbi Sidewinders, right, which is a rattlesnake.
And it's a motorcycle gang.
You guys are tough. I've seen you guys like beefing with the East Bay Dragons and yeah, let me tell you those are some cool. Like is that all chrome you have on your screen?
It's completely made of that's amazing part of it.
So this said, he gets to talk him with a few interested customers and they take his phone number, and they want to set up, like, you know, a shady deal later because they want to be outside the prying eyes of the snake traders and lizard dealers. At Repticon, right, just like something out of Star Wars.
Wait, so the Mohabbi sidewinders? Are those illegal?
They're poisonous. It's a rattlesnake.
You can't buy a rattle you can, they won't just sell, you.
Know, there's a couple of reasons. One there's the Lacy Act that says like, oh, this isn't endangered animal, you can't buy it. And then two it's it's venomous and poisonous. They're like, oh, you can't buy this. But most likely right, they're just like you know South Carolina, they're like, well whatever, you know, like like.
They will sell a five year old.
Yeah, exactly. I'll tell you all about South Carolina in a second. But one thing I got to tell you about the world of Big Snake. It's not big. It's a very small world. Like these people all knew each other. Like when I was at the trade show. These people they roll into town like a circus, they carnies, They put on a show, they sell some snakes and tarantulas, and they pack up their tents and they move on to the next town. Wash your rents, repeat. But they're
always kind of together. So they get this Carnie Vibe, right, and these shows they drop big crowds, so they're always putting on performances, right, But these are people, They're not just like a lot of show folks. They're actually good, decent people when you get inside inside the show. Right. So because I was a journalist interviewing them, they kind of let me behind the curtain and I got to see that. Like I said, I really liked them. There
were a lot of sweethearts. Right. So these sellers, they're gonna be aware of somebody like this Snedding guy. They're like, oh, we don't need that. So he's got to get away from them, because you know, you can't have that near all the like bright colorful banners and booths and stalls that say Snakes for the Memories and sliper Mania. You can't be talking like hey, you want to be little
snake kids. So he goes right, he's he contacts these people and he's like, let me set it up for them, Like how do I, you know, contact them to set up these purchases that they want to know? How do we get our poisonous reptiles? Or you just show up to my house with a box box of snakes, and he's like, well, you're in Atlanta. I'm in Las Vegas. It's a whole deal. He's like, oh, you're gonna do a truck right, So yes, he realizes, like, you know, I'll lay out how I'm gonna do it for you.
So he tells him, like, you know what I like to do is like I've got all these contacts in Egypt, China, all over the place, and I get I get my snakes together and then I'll send them over to a person and like a crate, and I like to go out to the in lax they got the delta terminal for cargo ships and I put it in there and I say like, oh, it's silverware, and then I go that's why it's rattling. And then I send it in
to South Carolina. Right. So it turns out the person he was talking to want to do the shady deal that he met a repticon undercover Fish and Wildlife informant.
That is amazing. That's an amazing gig.
Right, I figured you'd love that. How do you go be a Fish and Wildlife undercrever agent?
I've been under too long man, exactly.
He's getting to me. Man, it's all snakes and lizards, man. Monster.
He goes home and he's like a kiddie pool full of snakes and lizards. He just settles into it to watch TV. They slide it all over him. He's been under too long, man.
I'm gonna vomit, all right, So snedd and he tells the undercover informant he can get his hands on a red diamond rattlesnake, all right. And the guy's like, oh canny. He's like, yeah, but that's illegal because to sell it because it's endangered. As I told you, the lazy act, right, And he's like, if we get caught, it'll be a problem. So he tells the guy on tape, we get caught ship in that his prison time for both of us. So guy clearly knows what he's doing. He's not like, oh,
I bumbled into this. I didn't know you can't sell a rattlesnake anyway. So David Snedden, forty four years old, LA based truck driver operates out of Vegas. Told you he's flying everything out of Lax Airport. He's got a whole deal. So he tells a fish and wildlife guy, I can get you twenty five to thirty five reptiles in a shipment, right, So the guy's like, all right, let's do it. So it goes down to delta. He starts moving the boxes. He's like, don't mind the rattling.
Just and they ship them, right. They send it to Atlanta. It lands at Jacksonville. Hearts jackson Hartville Airport in Atlanta. Yeah, and dude picks it up in form. It goes oh, let's do that again. He gets from to sell him like numerous whole bunch of legal snakes. It doesn't matter all of them. But do you know how much they cost for a box?
For the first one, pretty, which is a box of snakes, two.
Thousand, seven hundred and forty five dollars for a crate of illegal snakes? Get goes cret It's sixty in the first one.
They do it by weight, it's.
By yeah bye, by item. He's like, I would like one of these. I'd like two of those, right. So you guys like, oh, it was great. He's like, oh, David Snedden tells them, So the shipment arrived. That's awesome, man, I'm going out on a big snake cunt. So all the bunch of stuff soon. I'm going to California, Arizona, New Mexico.
What would if you're a criminal, always act like when you're talking to someone, just imagine you're being taped.
I always assume as the FBI.
Always assume.
One thing I've learned from an investigating crime. Always assume as him to if you don't know them and they're contacted you to do a crime.
One thing I've learned from pretending to not watch television. Don't tell people what your crime is going to be explicitly.
Dude. Well, the guy's like, okay, I'll take a Gila monster for fifteen hundred dollars. In Sten's like, all right, man, well got it. I'll get you all the super rare killer lizards you want. Right. He sends them five boxes of mad poisonous stuff. It takes some eighteen months that they're allowing Delta people to handle all these boxes of snakes and everything. Right, and this snake trader snedd and he knew they told you if if he can get
to South Carolina, he can get whatever he wants. Like he was talking to at one point, he said, you could walk into a pet shop and buy a twelve foot king cobra. So there you go. That's where you want to buy a poisonous snake. You get stuffed down to South Carolina. They'll sell it to you anyway. Fish and wildlife. They come marching through his door one day and sneddon knew up my days is selling you ganden puff adders is done right. All my blue speckled rattlesnake
profits are over right. So he gets busted. He pleads guilty to fellon wildlife trafficking, which, by the way, is a huge, multi billion dollar business. To talk about it at another time, but anyway, how much prison time do you think he gets when he gets busted for danger?
Now?
Okay, well I'll tell you this much for a man who has been selling rattlesnakes illegally, you would think, okay, well, he's got to get some punishment, right. The US attorneys they want four months prison sentence. The judge is like, it ain't that serious. It said what some cobras and whatnot, So they give him five months of home detention. The judge is basically like, I want you to go home and said on your couch and think about what you've done.
And then the guy's like, thanks Dad, he andreally said when he left the court, I'm happy with it. You should never have the person. I'm happy with it. So yeah, that's David Snedden. And we'll take a little break and then I will leave Repticon and David Snedden behind and I will tell you about the cobra venom guy and big reptile. All right, Elizabeth, we're back.
Oh thank god.
So we're not going back to Repticon. We've left that behind. But I did want to tell you that the U S attorneys when they when they busted my man, David Sneded and I haven't used my man loosely in this case. They always they pointed out something I thought was interesting and worth saying, which is that quote. It starts out with liking lizards, it turns into trafficking, and then by the hundreds or thousands, right, And I think that's really.
Exactly a gateway animally exact, to becoming like a snake monitor something.
Then also Eric at the end of I don't know, like scarface, and you got like a mound of lizards and you're burying your face and a mount of snakes. Yeah, yeah, all right, So let's let's talk about where the big money is.
Okay, talk about that biotech.
Baby, That's what my dude would say. So my other dude, Yeah, Well his name is Rick Deatsch or Ditsch something like that. D E I E S H. Deutsch, Ricks Ricky d Yes, so Rick d Rick D's he not the DJ Rick d u Rick. He was a well he made a play for big reptile meets Wall Street. That's the best way to put. Yeah, he was the chairman and CEO of Neutra Pharma. Now, according to his bio on LinkedIn and business website that I could find, he was a legit scientist, and he was an educator and kind of
you know anyway. Well, according to his bio, Rick Deutsch quote holds a master's degree in biochemistry and a bachelor's degree in chemistry, and he has conducted clinical and laboratory research in collaboration with scientists at Duke University, Medical Senator and the Cleveland Clinic. Now, just for me, I think you could kind of tell someone's bsing when in the first line of their bio it says they worked in collaboration with scientists. Didn't sell you what they did, didn't say,
just it worked in near them. Collaboration near me was really cool.
I took some stuff that they published and then I worked on it.
Yeah, he didn't even have enough in his bio. Where did he get is full sentence out in his bio?
Where did he get his undergrad and his masters?
I'm glad you asked so, According to the second sentence of his bio, mister quote, mister Deatsch is the author of two books and is an adjunct professor for Florida Atlantic University's College of Business and Continuing Education Department. And he got his degrees. I do not remember. I don't. I didn't take a note of where he got his degree because I'm not as much as you are.
It's better that you don't say it, so I don't insult people.
Yeah, exactly so. But those books, by the way, because I know you know.
He is self published.
Yes, anyway, So the books are are You age Wise? A Guide to Healthy Aging? And Invisible Killers The Truth about Environmental Genocide. Yeah, both both books are exactly what they sound like. Yeah, they are books for the Florida crowd. No, No, I'm not I have family in Florida. I'm not here to diss Florida. But I've been there enough to say that these books would solve Florida. Right, So that's all I'm saying now. I'm also not here to dis self
publishing authors. I'm not here to diss adjunct professors. I'm not even here to It is the Florida Atlantic University's College of Business and Continuing Education. True, I think they all do good stuff. But look, if I'm an angel investor and this dude comes to me and I got millions, I'm looking to invest with somebody else, not this guy. I'm just saying. Right Anyway, Rick Dach he seems to know this, so he goes like, how do I distinguish myself to investors if I want to make this big
Wall Street money. He's like, I got the answer, Elizabeth. Two words this time. Cobra venom. Yes. So his first company was called NDA Right. It built itself as a biotech startup that quote specialized in the research of peptides derived from the cone snail, venom, cobra venom, and the Keyla monster venom. So he got really into like venom. Right.
So then Deets moved on to his next company, Venom venom and that Neutra Pharma is his second company, so he's like, quote, you know, guys, hey, when can we talk cobra venom. I'm all about that sweet king cobra milk. Okay, that actually isn't a quote, but I just want to act like it was. Anyway, this company's implantation Florida, and yeah, right, and I'm assuming it's there for text purposes or something equally scammy like that. But anyway, Neutral Pharms.
Is it like a po box?
No, they actually have like a compasse from what I can tell. Anyway, Nutril Farmer, they present themselves as a reasonable, legit medical research firm, right, one that coincidentally in two thousand and nine, quote launch sales of and over the counter pain reliever that uses asian cobra venom as the active ingredient. Asian cobra. No, I see you your eyebrow raising. You have a little bit of like, I'll give it a shot, but I sense the doubt in your voice.
Try anything, Yeah, exactly.
Well, their press releases they make it sound kind of super science, so you'd be into this, like a quote Nutri Farmer Corporation a biotechnology company that is developing treatments for adreno milow neuropathy, amn A, human ammino deficiency virus HIV, multiple sclerosis, MS, and pain announce today that it has received approval from the United States Patent and Trademark Office.
Floren's pattent describing a method of treating and preventing infectious diseases, including colds, flu viruses, and bacterial parasitic infections using modified and detoxified cobra venom and neurotoxins. It cures everything, Elizabeth, it does. It all sounds kind of legit until you get too modified and detoxified cobra venom. But there's more,
because there's always more, Elizabeth, is uh. The patent quote, titled modified and lapid Venoms are As Stimulators of the Immune Reaction describes a method for treating and inhibiting infections by influenza viruses through the use of subcutaneous, intramuscular, or intravenous injections of therapeutically effective amounts of detoxified and neurotropically active oxidized alpha cobratoxin or alpha cobratoxin protein. That's good job.
Oh and I don't know about that, but this to me all sounds like what you'd hear from like some kind of like shade tree southern doctor. But David use a little different terms like I would imagine you'd hear it something like, uh, you see, you just take a jab of this year cobra venom. You stick it in your arm like someone you're just about damn near everything. Now for the actual science, DC's cobra venom was it was not fanged table right, this stuff had to go.
It was a medical grade cobra venom, Elizabeth, had to be processed by scientists and white lab coats and whatnot. And I like you imagine, I imagine you, like me, would love that this is someone's job. They're out there. What do you do on milk code? Baby?
Well, i've seen that. We're like, you know, they what they call what would they call herpetologists?
You know a lot about this, Well, Elizabeth, I'd like you to close your eyes and pictures.
I'm going to Elizabeth.
You are in an air conditioned to room. Oh good, door opens. A woman in a white lab coat and high heels walks in. She sits down in a chair across a table from you. Today is the first a at your new job. You're fresh out of grad school, still working on your PhD in her patology, but you just got your first job at a real lab doing real science. Today. You've come in for orientation your new boss, doctor Sterngrove. She's a pert, all business, herodabund scientist. She
flips through some paperwork. She looks over your resume and then asks you how you liked UCD. You tell her, and then with a very small smile, she welcomes you to the company and she thanks you for being early for orientation. Doctor Sterngrove asks you what you've been told about what you'll be doing at the lab. She says, have you ever worked with animals before? And you inform her of your time as a pet groomer to the stars. You tell her about being a chicken wrangler for the courts,
your time as a gooseherder. You say, in short, yes, I love working with animals, Doctor Sterngrove. She seems pleased, so she flips through her paperwork again. She looks up and asks if you're comfortable working with snakes. Now. This is the moment when you find out to your new job will be milking cobras for their venom. You have questions.
I have tiny fingers.
Tiny fingers and a couple questions. So doctor Sterngrove says, I like to imagine the cobras are like cows, and you look at her and you ask, oh, so, like in the afternoon, they all come back from slithering around in the pasture, and just like cows, your cobras all get in the line and they wait to enter the barn to get milked. That's so sweet. And doctor Sterker goes, no, no, no, there's no pasture. What are you talking about. No, we
definitely don't let her cobras out. You're like, oh, okay, well, well I need to bring my own milking stool or like will one be supplied for a stupid because I'm telling it? Okay, yes, now, doctor sterncros like milking stool. What are you talking about? Doctor? She seems clearly confused, because she's like, you're not a stupid girl. What's up with the act? Is some guy writing this? What's help with this? So at some point you say, like how
far off the ground will these cobras be am? I got to get underneath the cobra, Like I imagine it hard to milk the snake if it's bellies on the ground, is it like a cow's under Are their teets or nipples? Do cobras have nipples? Now, I don't even know you tie your shoes, So doctor Sternrove, she's just staring at you because, like you, she's just disappointed. So you continue, like,
can I ask you a question? Doctor stern GroE said, yes, please, When you're milking these snakes, do the crob is like, do they like it if you sing to them? Because the cows like it when you sing to them. She's like, Okay, She's lost her patience at this point. She just says, it's not like milking cows. Forget I said anything about cows. Now you're like, well, but it's not like milking cows. I don't I'm not sure if I want this job. And then you get up and you walk out and
you leave. Obviously you know this as well as I probably better. Apparently, milking cobras and milking cows are not good analogs, because do you know how you milk a cobra?
I've seen I've seen footage of it. I don't really I don't have a problem with snakes at all, but I don't like them.
You watch videos about them, dude.
I'll watch any video. Yeah, but like there's it looks like there's am I stepping on. There's like a like a beaker, and then there's some sort of like membrane over the top. Remember they bite into it.
I could use like a hammer, like you just put that. You swing the hand and the head onto it. They trick it into biting the rubber membrane and.
Then you know, like they're like barf it up and it.
Drips it right off the end of the fang a little.
Dress to squeeze at the bottom and then run his tight hand up until.
Like he's pulling water out of a tower. Yep, just like that. They actually have these two bars you can use to squeeze the snake.
And then there's the like snake venom Somalia who like takes it and smells it.
Yeah, exactly. They swirl and they go, perfect, this is good. You can smell the rustines.
And he like dabs some and then rubs on of his gums.
Yes, you see, this is why you should.
Have kept I watched a lot of videos, so.
That's exactly how. And then apparently somebody in white lab coats. They throw it in like an autoclave, they spin it around or something. They do a TWI yeah, and then all of a sudden the constituent parts pop out and it's like, oh, look, detoxified cobra proteins. So, as Rick Ditsch explains, if you'd like some more science, and I know you love the science, so here you go.
You're someone who failed CAM one in college, I love it.
Well, here it's a bunch of polysyllamic nonsense for you. Rick Disch explains his technique as it's a single modified peptide called alpha cobra toxin, which is a major component of the venom. In most cobras venom, it binds to the nicotinic acetocholine receptor, a primary receptor found throughout the center nervous system and on the surface of white blood cells.
We modify the cobra toxins that it binds to only the alpha SEB seven subtype of the nicotinic acidacholine receptors, where it blocks inflammation by modulating white blood cells reactions to immune response.
Now I have to ask you something, Yes, did we need that?
Yes? Because that all boils down to the active ingredients and cover venom stimulated an immune response in your body. Okay, so basically it's like saying like I hate you, you swell. If I seeing you with a cover, your body goes what the hell and ain't react. Yeah, that's a lot of science. You did not need to say all that. That's my point. But he gets to it eventually, says, you get into more science and stuff. He says, this triggers the release of gamma interferon right now. Gamma interferon,
it regulates immune response. And that's the whole point of this is when the vcs go, oh, that sounds like some money. Science sounds that sounds like biotech, that sounds like next big thing, and they get all excited. Right, And if you're a dude like Rick Datch, you know this. You start humping that PR machine and working it like a money maker. And to a man like Greek diets that that's exactly what the PR machine was. It's his
money maker. He has nothing really other than hype. So he starts working press releases, and I'm talking working press releases. He goes out there and he's like recently Neutral Pharma through its drug discovery subsidiary Recepto Farm introduced his novel anti viral therapy Peptone, at the International AIDS Conference in Vienna, Austria. Peptone is based on the company's leading drug candidate, used
modifying cobra tsin. Now he acts like he's there and like the AIDS conferences, like please come here and present it. All he could have done is just stood outside, yod, We've got peptone.
So he just went there.
He didn't think he uses the language. But it's always like I worked in a lab with these guys. I you know, we recently were unveiling.
Anyway, these kind of charlatans and people who are in love with half truths and such have made it like there's so much more work we have to do parsing language to figure out what the real thing. Yes, it makes it so difficult, like resumes, people go like, oh yeah.
Well, it's like just say the thing that's me. But whatever, I understand, you've got a sweet talk some stuff. I'm not saying, like don't massage your stuff, but they at least keep some truth in there. They should be standing on something otherwise you're gonna be like me standing in the air. So my favorite line from his press release was the quote, the company markets several drug products for sale for the treatment of pain under the brands of
Cobroxin and Nyloxi. Right, Cobroxin sounds like a drug that Cobra commander came up here, right, It's like, honestly, it's like, oh, we got g I Joe has to stop this. This is an eighties cartoon drug.
They got all the kids hooked on Cora.
I'm telling you it's good mind control, man. I just got to listen to the rock music can.
Take exactly whether you're joining him soon the band of Vipers playing their tombs knew and where's the takeover your dreams?
Oh my god, this is amazing.
I can't stop.
No, please keep going. How much have slither? Do you really know it? Oh? That was very IMPROSSI So, setting aside that amazing feet, so Teach's company, Neutral Pharma, he starts looking for and by marks I made investors. Yeah, he gets of this local outlet to run a story on his cobrox and cobra venom miracle. So NBC Miami, who runs a story with the title South Florida company turns cobra Venom into healing treatment. Now, you know in South Florida they care a lot about healing. All of
Florida they care about healing treatments. Like I said, it's an old or I didn't say earlier, but I inferred it's an aging population and they care about things. This is clickbait for a state with the aging population. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, right, And oh boy, Liza, but this NBC Miami story, it is so good. I mean from the jump from first line, you ready for this? Yes, when you think about cobra venom, eventual death comes to month.
That's sentence one node.
Then they get past that pearl of a lead and they go for the intellectual complication. A South Florida company is changing the perception of the deadly venom. Like wait, what Like this is one hell of a company that can make me rethink cobra venom my company. Maybe cobra Venom's good, maybe death is good. Like what's going going on here?
I've been doing a lot of editing of other people's work this week, and I'm like hit my limit and this is yeah, who wrote this?
I've we all been sleeping on cobra venom. I think that's so enter my dude, Tom Crutchfeld, star of this story, he is a professional snake milker. So he'd probably before I refer to what you called him earlier, called people like this a herpetologist. But look, I got the show. On this show, you're a snake milker, all right. So Tom Crutchfield professional snake milker. He's in the NBC Miami story and he tells him why he loves milking snakes
for a living. He says, quote, I always knew they were special, even as a kid, because when I was a kid, everybody hated snakes. And this, Elizabeth is it's the same reason that I became a professional chef who specializes in cooking worms.
Because because everybody.
Hey kid, everybody hated him. So I'm like, I'm gonna prove them wrong, and welcome to shay worm.
Now.
According to this story, twice a month, this dude he goes out and uh to the cobra dairy and he milks his snakes and then he takes the cover venom over to Deach, a Neutra pharma, and they handle the processing of rock cobra venom and they turn it into a usable powder. According to NBC Miami. Quote. Every time the lab milks a cobra, more than one hundred bottles of product are.
Made and an angel gets its wing ding. So I just imagine then like sometimes he's he crawls over and claws at the door of the office next door and they open it and he's like, suck out the boys, cause he got be it.
Dude, you ain't far from the truth on that. Now, once he's done milking his cobras and boom out pops the magic pills, the cure alls, the nyloxin and cobroxin. That'll be twenty four to ninety five, Elizabeth. Now, what do you get for your twenty four ninety five because we haven't really discussed that other than a magic cure.
All I don't know violi coroxin.
Yeah, but you get a pain relieves. This pain really reminds you is stronger and longer lasting than morphine.
Yeah.
Yeah, and not just you, but your little dog too, because it also neutra Pharmer. They also sell pet.
Pain away, Okay, pet pain away.
Pet pain away? Yeah, that title, oh yes explains quote. The problem with pain medication for and cats is there aren't a lot of choices.
That's not true.
But not so with Nutra Pharma, you know, because they have cobra spray and cobra venom topical Joe, I would imagine they're developing a line of cobra venom gummies right about now.
I want an aerosol myst for like when you're on the plane.
Yeah, I just spray everybody cobra venom. So, according to the NBC Miami story, niloxin and pet pain away are all natural and can also be used for autoimmune diseases, viruses, and pain. Okay, yeah, it's such amazing. This is also apparently according to Deets, He's stressed that nyloxen quote is amazing. It's not addictive, no hope, yet non narcotic. In the last and model, it outperformed morphine. It lasted six hours
longer than morphine without any of the side effects. So wonder drug, Elizabeth, And you're like, where would we be without cobra toxin? And also are pooches Now you would ask yourself, could this cobra venom magic pill be right for me? Ask your doctor, Elizabeth. Yes, but please actually don't ask your doctor because you want to know why the sec alleges that quote. Neutra Pharma has no I returned to profit in the December twenty sixteen reported Annuel
losses of three point five million dollars. Come to find out, all this milking cobras, it may have been a smoke screen. I know, shocking, right. Rick Deetch was apparently more focused on his dream of big reptile on the Wall Street than he ever was about milking cobras. He wanted to milk Wall Street. And after this break, I'll tell you how Rick Deach failed to turn king cobras into a golden goose.
Elizabeth oh Zaren you know what I love snakes.
No, you want to guess again? No? Wall Street? Yeah, not the Oliverstone movie, not the Oliverstone movie, and not the actual street. I love the idea of Wall Street. I love how it's a playground for people like Rich Geech. Okay, and by love, of course, I mean I hate it. I absolutely hate that. How are people giving this guy bunny? But eventually, you know, he went out there knowing he could convince people to give him money because apparently it's just a maven for anyway.
I won't go astrology for suits, yes.
Dude, completely, but whatever I'm not going to get into my judgments of Wall Street, but this land of suckers. Right, dee starts building his co judgment, his Cobra Venom based empire, and he becomes president and chairman of Nutra Pharma. He enters into a consulting agreement with a company called Wall Street By. Now the man who runs Wall Street By was his cat named Christopher Costaldo. Now this dude was He was about as shady as eminem in the year
two thousand. Ye slimshit. According to the federal paperwork, Diech and I quote Deech looked into Costaldo and learned Castaldo had been found liable for violating security law as a broker in two thousand and eight SEC Civil enforcement action. Now, most folks, if they're looking into guy, they'd find that if they have a startup, that would be a tailbreaker, right, Not old Diach, This is my man, back to the
court documents. Aware of Costaldo's background, Dach and Neutra Pharma hired him to promote Nutra Pharma stock to potential investors. He's exactly like that. He's like, dude, my dude, hook it up right here, coming for a hug. So he brings him in tidy as he can, so Deechen Castaldo. They get to work together and they start trying to spread the word on Wall Street and getting all those
Wall Street suckers investors getting excited right now. In twenty fifteen, Deech reaches out to Sea Through Equity, which is a quote equity research firm, and the CEO of C Through Equity and Dietsch. They quote exchanged emails about a potential analyst report of Neutra Pharma stock. The CEO email ditch about two pricing options offering complimentary reports. Neutral Pharmas paid See Through Equity eight thousand dollars for one of the packages.
So they get this like, you know, custom written report saying great stuff. All the numbers look feasible today, right, so shocking. I know that something called see through Equity was a scam, but See Through Equity was a scam anyway, Dieci gets his fake market research report and they threw whatever he Through Equity and this he also included a press release for the low low price of eight thousand dollars.
This package includes no anyway, so the press release mentions how this expected stock price for Nutra Pharma will be a target price of fifty three cents a share. Keep that number in month. Yeah, now this is remarkable because the price was approximately double the highest priced Nutra Pharma had ever traded up to that point. Yeah, exactly, So they doubled their value on paper with this faulty report. From this point on, he's doing Oh I got the
ball rolling. So he starts working on international distribution deals.
So wait, does this product actually exist?
Great question, keep that in mind. Keep fifty three cents and does this product really exist in mind?
Got it?
So he goes public and he claims to assign this distribution agreement with the corporation in Canada. Like, you don't know them. I met him during stimber of spring break. It was so totally we hooked up and Wilson ended a totally binding distribution agreement. So but you don't know them. They're up there, they live in the Niagara Falls area. Anyway, the truth was the company did exist. There was a Canadian corporation. It was real, but they were not in
business with Neutral Farmer. They had talked about being in business Neutral. Yeah, we're in business together, but we're totally in business together. So yeah, it's exactly it's very a's going to Vegas. So the Cobra Venom miracle drug. Right, they say, hey, you guys talk to Canadian regulators, see if you can get approval for us, and we'll keep being getting into getting into business together, like why do
you get us approval? You guys get a Canadian approval, so like time, Yeah, we'll work together on this, right. So meanwhile, the business partners were told also to identified a Chinese company that could you know, obtain government approval maybe from the Chinese end through Canada if that could work, Like can we get a Chinese company who can just ship it here? And Canada says, it's cool. Can that be a thing we can do. At this point, the
Canadian partners are like, are you a business? Like what's going on here? Right? So they say like okay, well yeah, no guys, it's it's gonna be huge. We got we just signed an Indian distribution deal. Keep the faith Canada And I was like, you are a business, all right,
well just send us the paperwork. So on June twenty fifteen, Neutra Pharma announces to the world of investors that the company had recently quoted completed upgrades in an expansion to the reptile farm that houses the Asian cobras, utilizing the production of nyloxin by adding one hundred snakes to the existing milking line to increase venom production for the upcoming international orders from India and China. Business is a boom in Elizabeth, right, they got new cobra lines coming in.
So now, because of court documents we know quote. However, at the time of this press release, Deetch was aware that Neutra Pharma had never produced nyloxin or other reference products, and no one else had produced them. So no, there was no product to answer your question. Additionally, there's not only no actual drug and none to speak of. And this is my favorite part, and it's one of my
favorite sentences I've ever read a court document. He also knew that Neutra Pharma had never owned cobras, cobra farms, or cobra facilities. Stop there were no cobras.
Stop.
Oh my god, man had no cobras.
The Emperor.
His whole business and there's no cover he got. Covers are in India, India, they're in China, China are in Canada, Canada, the're in India.
Everyone cobra farms he keeps referencing.
I want to know about my man crush felled the NBC in Miami story because he was the one saying he's milking cobras for them and they're like, no, cobras are going to the US. Yes, anyway, So Elizabeth, do you know why we call things snake oil?
No? I actually don't, So I had to look.
This one what it is. Yeah, I don't think it's patent medicine, right. I know that snake oil was the deal, but I was like, well, actually, and I was thinking that. I kept thinking this is a total snake oil con. This is a grift, and I was like, like, what is the true snake oil graft? So I looked it up because hey, we're here for the like you know the history.
Of one who does the research. So I operate under who knows who cares?
So this guy for you who will soon care? Because I'm going to insist you care.
I am actually really curious.
Clark Stanley, that to his name, Clark Stanley. He's the one who gives us snake oil. Somehow he got his name removed. He's not like Charles Ponzi, where he's like you named it after me. They could call it Stanley oil, but it's not as catchy, right, So snake oil it is. Anyway, Snake oil is this rare thing you could only get
from Chinese railroad workers, right. So this is because they were the ones laboring, as you know, to build a trans continent a railroad, so around the gold Rush era and afterwards primarily like around the eighteen sixties, eighteen seventy to eighteen eighties, really eighteen eighties for the trans continent the railroad. Yeah, they were the laborers, and they were cheap labor. Right. So you have a lot of black laborer on the on the eastern side, and the western
side you have a lot of Scots, Irish and Chinese laborers. Right. So snake oil was this thing that they were using as medicine, legit medicine. Right. So for centuries Chinese people had been using this anti inflammatory and it was Chinese water snakes, specifically the Chinese water steak. And much later, you know, like recent times we've examined why is the
Chinese water sneak so good? Apparently has it's super rich and omega three at mega three's as well as anti inflammatory agents that we all recognize now is like, oh, this is the good stuff, and this is just like the wonder snake. So the ancient Chinese had discovered that the oil of this water snake worked super well on tired muscles and aching backs. Is an anti inflammatory. So these laborers they would take it with them to work on.
So they have it all over the West. So the other guys working with them, they know the discuss the Irish. They're sitting there like, man, what do you got to do? I got the snake oil and I'm rubbing on my muscles. So after a twelve hour day there, let me see some of that snake oil, right, and it works works so well, all the railroad guys start telling the cowboys about snake oil because they are overlapping. So now the cowboys starts spreading the word. Everyone wants the snake oil, right, yeah,
so enter our snake oil salesman. We got our first snailsman. Now that everyone's been like doing all these rubdowns and
liniments all across the West. Clark Stanley, aka the Rattlesnake King, so in a pamphlet that I went and actually read, with the title The Life and Adventures of the American Cowboy by Clark Stanley, better known as the Rattlesnake King full title Okay, so the pamphlet it was less of a biography of the American King Boy more of a nineteenth century infomercial about Clark Stanley and his snake oil lineament. So Clark Stanley, he didn't use any Chinese water snakes
for his snake oil. That was problem number one. He just borrowed the name. He's like, that's what everybody wants. I got the snake oil, right. He didn't know that you actually have to have Chinese water snakes, so he substituted a good old fashioned American rattlesnake venal makes a snake. Yeah, ratsnake venom will do you right too.
Right.
So he claimed he learned about this not from the Chinese, but from the medicinal power of the Hopi tribe. He said, he told me all about the rattlesnakes that and he had been bitten hundreds of times. This was in the literature. No, he claimed it was all because of the miracle snake
oil save me, so it too can save you. So he went all around the West, and you know, parts of the Midwest sound snake oil liniment just everywhere he could, and also you know, popularizing it across the country because it would be like in newspaper journals and it would be syndicated magazines and so forth. So people in Baltimore know what snake oil is, right, And Stanley, he promised
that this would cure whatever ails you. You got kidney trouble, you got heart problems, you got a weak liver, you got a you know, ghosts in your blood, you got the female troubles. Whatever you got, you need to get you some snake oil liniment. So this dude, he would get people to believe it by performing feats for the crowd. And this is where we get the medical tent shows and all this. Yeah, he was a wonder for the tent show because he had this one particular crowd pleaser.
He would go. He would he would take a snake and he would make active actual snake oil live in front of the crowd. He would take snake, turned into.
A snake, oiling the snake out.
No I wish that was what he did, but uh, okay, here I'll tell you a little story. Eighteen ninety three at the World's Exposition in Chicago, Stanley boiled a snake live on stage before he remembtedly, dazzled and enraptured crowd. Stanley quote reached into a sack, plucked out a snake, slit it open, plunge it into boiling water. When the fat rose to the top, he skimmed it off. He used it on the spot to create Stanley's snake Oil, a liniment that was immediately snapped up by the throng
that gathered to watch the spectacle. But snake oil floats got get me some of that wow notic. He didn't even do anything where they was just like I'll watch this and they're like, that's the real stuff. So the trouble for Stanley was the American snake oil contained no actual snake oil. Right, So eventually because the Chinese water snake that was the thing, right so, I told you, and the American rattle snake poor replacement because it doesn't have the ingredients.
I would imagine he wasn't even using any snake parts. Was it just like mineral or good?
Oh my god, you're good. So, not only did it lack the necessary acids of the og that gave it a tit around the turn of the century, the FDA is created, right, and they jump into the fray. The agency begins to regulate all these patent medicines and they're told like, oh, you gotta go look into this one. You gotta go look into that one, right, And somehow
doctor Bronders made it through. Not kidding doctor Bronders is after all this anyway, so they comfort to like all this stuff, by the way, is known as snake oil, right, And eventually they get around to going after the original snake oil liniment. In nineteen seventeen, a shipment of Stanley snake oil is seized by federal investigators. They open it
and test the contents. What do they find. Stanley snake oil is just as you guessed, quote mineral oil, a fatty oil believed to be beef fat, red pepper, and turpentine.
So yeah, so you get like a little bit of a.
Sting and a little heat and then like when you go blind, I don't you drink too much. So his customers find out they've been drinking beef fat and turpentine, and they go crazy, right, they demand action from the feds. Clark Stanley's hauled into court. He's tried he's found guilty, he's convicted, he's given a punishment of fine of twenty dollars.
Oh my god, that's it. Twenty bucks. So the nickname for bunk medicine stuck though, snake oil that stuck around, which brings us back to Rick Teach, our modern snake oil salesman with his cobra king cobra venom cureles right. He made nearly all the same promises as Stanley's snake oil liniment, just in modern terms autoimmune disease instead of kidney troubles and women problems. Right now, nothing new under
the sun, essentially. But you know, Elizabeth, as I asked you before, if you think cobra venom is right for you, just ask your doctor, okay, And if you ask your doctor, they'll tell you hell no, we haven't gotten there yet. I mean, yes, in research, we could possibly do some of these things, but we are not there yet.
I feel like if I asked my doctor for myloxin, I'd be about as about as good a result as when I asked for a Xanax strip.
They didn't give you that money of the guy got the Xanx cotton balls put between my cheek and gum just kind of suck on it. So I read a long form interview with this guy in a business generally get a sense of who he was, and so I saw that he was talking about snake oil. We actually didn't, but he connected himself to snake oil by mistake. Okay, he said, Well, the reporter asked him, like, how did you come up with this?
Right?
It was this total like pr repress. It was not a real reporter anyway, Deetsch replies, honestly, we didn't. So he's like, well, this technology has been around since the nineteen thirties. The Chinese has been working with snake venom and cobra venom for a host of different disorders. In fact, our ms drug originally was used to treat post polio syndrome in southern China. So some of that is true
stuff about the Chinese. They've been working with the venom for a long time, and most of the other stuff I don't know. But anyway, the part of China that had developed the Chinese snake oil was the Southwest, and so he's went to southern China once again, pretty kind of correct, right, And then he decides to come in with his his business genius. You see it shining through this interview. He says, when I tell people in America about our drugs, their benefits and that they are made
from cobra venom, education is always needed. They may want to try the topical version, but they're reluctant to try the oral spray because it's cobra venom. That's not a problem in India.
Oh god, do you.
Tell people cover venom in India? They don't get me. Some take that bottle cap off, give meluck. No, what are you talking about? Yeah, anyway, the dude's like, I quote because Indians don't like opioids. Now, this is wild statement for a non Indian to make. Yeah, it's even wilder for someone who wants to sell drugs to Indians
to make the statements. And then he gets into the whole history of opioids and like the exploitation of the British and Gandhi and he starts talking about like how that they don't like opioids because of British had mandated opium in the ways and and Gandhi insisted they quit it. And this is all true, I mean, but you know, but spoiler alert. When he got to his later point
about saying, our biggest competitor is topical aspirin. By the end of twenty sixteen, we could be earning conservatively two to five million per month just in India because you know, I, hey just need our pain pills. Because all that opioid
exploitation history. No, it turns out none of this happened because not a single dollar was sold in India, not a single dollar products sold India because starting a few years back, the Feds began to come around and warren customers that this whole Florida biochemist cobra venom cure all was bunk. They're like twenty seventeen, the FDA's commissioner, Scott Gottlieb warned health fraud scams like these are inexcusable. So he's been like pounding the drum. Neutral farmer, by the way,
still at it. They have announced a new round of products. They there's the original Nylosin, there's pet pain Away, there's equine pain Away, and now they have luxury feet.
So yeah, that foot peel thing.
Yes, I who know you can do so much with cobra venom. They are currently being investigated and we'll see
where this goes. No word on whether Neutral Farmer has ever purchased any actual cobras or cobra farms, but I'm betting the answer is no. And all the bad press, by the way, lately is not helped Tach and his dreams of creating Big Reptile and Connie wall Street because at the moment, you can currently purchase Neutral pharmas stock at a greatly reduced price of well how greatly reduced, Elizabeth,
try five hundred shares will run you five cents. WHOA, so they kind of missed their their fifty three cent market?
Say so, what's our ridiculous takeaway? Co broxin Pet paint Away is like, I don't know why this is.
I love giving my pet cobra venom to help with their autoimmune disease.
Yeah, that's amazing. I don't know. I'm just I can't get my head around it. But I kind of want to try some.
I'll get chim Bottle Dragon find some online. It will probably just be turpentine and like whatever they put in with sabi, that's not with sabby anyway. There you go. That's it. That's all I have for you.
Excellent.
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