Microsoft’s New CoPilot+ PCs & Windows Recall Feature

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I hope you're having a meaningful Memorial Day weekend. We've got some great guests on on the live show this week. Ben Bheran CEO and principal analyst at Creative Strategies, is going to talk about Microsoft's new Copilot plus PCs and the Microsoft Build Conference. Later in the show, we've got Tim Stevens, freelance automotive journalist He's going to talk about his recent article all about ev myths and Know Me.

Two events.

Actually, one was for their new computers and one was for their developers called Microsoft Build. I'd never been to Microsoft Build, but I had been to the campus before. So it's up in Redmond, just outside of Seattle. Beautiful, beautiful place in Pacific Northwest. When I arrived, I did have some extra time on a Sunday afternoon, so I went to Pike Place, which I'm sure you've seen the pictures. It's a place where they throw the fish and all

Thing.

I love when I get to a city and I can just take public transit as much as possible, and I was able to do that.

So what I visit.

I visited Bubblegum Alley, the original Starbucks, which still had a crazy long line outside.

I couldn't believe it.

Saw the throwing fish and then had some fish in some chowder, so kind of a little yeah, you gotta do that when you're up there. I left my luggage with a store up there. It was interesting. So I was wondering because that, you know, if your hotel, like my hotel was nowhere near Pike Place. So I had like a couple hours to burn, but I had all this luggage with me, so I was like, what do I do with this? I don't want to drag it around. So I was like, there must be an app, and

Also.

By the way, took a bus to my hotel. Afterwards, I ended up missing the stop. So I was so engrossed and listening to like a book on my phone that I missed the stop and I ended up walking like two miles to my hotel.

But it was fine.

It was so beautiful up there, so why was I up there? First event Monday morning it was called Microsoft Copilot plus PCs. That's what they unveiled. This is a new category of computers that are sort of built for the AI age. So these are computers with sixteen gigabytes of RAM standard like, that's the minimum to qualify, plus two hundred and fifty six gigabytes of storage, and then forty tops. NPU tops is trillions operations per second, so the computer has to have a minimum of those specs. Now,

So it's just such a cool way of doing things.

And I remember when Microsoft came to the TV studio many many years ago. Panos Pine was the guy who kind of came up with this whole thing, and he was in the studio and he showed me this and I was like, what, how is this possible? Windows running on a tablet? What with a detachable keyboard. The interesting thing about these computers is they have snap Dragon processors inside. So I'm sure you've heard Intel inside for so many years.

They're not just going to be from Microsoft.

They also had them there from Acer and Lenovo and Asus and Samsung. But again they have to have those basic specs to qualify. But you're going to be hearing a lot about AI computers and specifically these Copilot Plus PCs, so now you know what they are. They also have this new feature called live captions. This can on device convert language into forty different languages, so spoken words can

Playing it with the help of AI.

So they had instead of a friend playing with them, they had an AI voice and by the way, the smartest AI in the world because it knew how to do everything in the game. So you're playing the video game and you're saying, hey, how do I do this? How do I do that? And the AI is watching the video in real time, processing that information and giving you the information you need. So now I can actually play video games with my kids alongside them because I

Yeah.

Now they say that this happens on device, nothing is sent to the cloud. But there are a lot of privacy concerns associated with this because think about everything that you do on your computer, every word that's on there, every image that's on there, everything you look at and deal with, every file, every jpeg, every PowerPoint presentation, when you log into your bank account, it's all on your screen,

Let's go to Bill in Julian. Bill, you're on with Rich.

Hi.

Can you hear me?

Rich?

I can hear you. Great, Welcome to the show.

Thanks.

I'm a long time listener, first time caller, and I have the honor of being the least technical person that's ever called your show.

Okay, well, okay, well I'm going to mark you down for that. Okay.

I still have a car that has a factory option record player in it. I'm seventy five years old, and what I'm looking for is a simple color printer. Now. The only problem is the only thing I have here up in the mountains is a Samsung Android phone. I don't have a computer with the Internet with Wi Fi, so I need a hook to the printer somehow just from my phone. Is that possible?

Yes, there is a feature called Wi Fi Direct on some of these printers, and so I would recommend looking for a printer that supports Wi Fi Direct. And what you'll do is your printer will will admit a Wi Fi signal and then your phone will connect to that Wi Fi signal and once it's connected in LinkedIn. You can send whatever you need over to that printer. So I know that some of the hps do that. You know, if you can go to a costco nearby, I always think they have a one or two good printers.

I bought mine there. I've got the HP Office Jet Pro.

I think i've last year's model looks like the current I'm looking at wirecutter here. Current popular model is the ninety fifteen E. That's highly rated. You can do a laser printer if you just want something that's going to be much more expensive. You're looking at spending around two hundred. So there are other printers. You can get a printer for a lot cheaper. I've seen them for like, you know,

Call, Bill, I appreciate it.

We got we're actually we're fact checking the record player in the car and Kim just sent me a screenshot and I don't know if this is real. Did they used to have record players as an option? And Google's AI overview says, yes, record players were an option in cars in the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties, But that's an AI overview, so that could be wrong because we're going to talk about how Google's having some trouble with that. I don't know, because I had a CD player in

Hey, Rich, never question AI. If they told you what, it's got to be true. But be that as it may. A dissatisfied cell phone customer and I'm sure I'm the only guy who' ever had a problem with his cell phone provider. And my problem is six years ago, T Mobile offered a plan called fifty five plus and the come on was sign up for this plan. We'll give you two lines of phone for sixty bucks a month, and that's unlimited talk, text and data, including taxes and

Well, so you're not the only one this rate hike. I had it in my plans to talk about it this week. Yeah, they're increasing lines by five dollars per month, and then connected devices by two dollars. The funny thing is T Mobile is being very not very forthcoming about which lines are affected, because they did have, you know, over the years, especially as they were the on carrier, they had so many deals and so many promotions and so many like you know, hey, we're never going to

This is rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich On Tech.

Rich Demiro here in Seattle, Washington, site of Microsoft Build. Joining me now is Ben Baheran. He is a technology industry analyst and CEO of Creative Strategies. Ben, thanks for joining me.

Yeah, I'm happy to be here.

So let's talk Microsoft.

Obviously, it is an all out AI war right now. How are they fending for themselves?

I think they're very well positioned.

I mean, if you think of all of the platforms that are out there right, there's three as a whole. They get a consumer platform, you got Microsoft, Android, and Apple. And while Android continues to have some features, right, what you use Aion with your mobile phone we don't know yet, but there's clearly tons of productivity use cases. It seems like the business world, the enterprise world, is ready for

So Microsoft's in an interesting position because they are very enterprise, very business oriented, but they also have a very good consumer side of their business as well.

Is that pretty unique?

Yeah?

I mean I think their scale is you know, obviously huge in the enterprise. When you look at Windows, right, they use numbers today like a billion Windows PCs. I mean I think the Windows install base of PCs is larger than that. It might be one one point three one point four billion devices.

That's a lot of devices.

And that's not just all enterprise, right, maybe sixty percent of that is cannsumers all over the world, so India, China, you know, even developed developing parts of the world. So to have a good consumer basis is relevant, and they straddle that fence at scale probably more than most people, right. I think if we were talking about Apple we'd say, well, they largely scale in consumer, not in enterprise, whereas Microsoft scales both of those those categories.

So I mentioned we're here at Microsoft Build, so explain what Microsoft Build is all about.

Sure.

So Build, which is actually a really great name for the conference of what it is is designed to talk about the tools and share new tools for developers to build new things on Windows and or in their apps

And today they had Open AI CEO Sam Altman on stage. It was kind of a surprise. What did you make of what he said?

I mean, I think Sam's a good visionary just to talk about the category of AI. A lot of questions come up right around responsible AI, which I think Microsoft's continuing to try to be a leader in. They don't want these things going off the rails and leading giving people misinformation or teaching people things that's you know.

Not actually correct.

So they're trying to have a really solid, responsible AAI story, and so you kind of see some of those questions come in about as those models get bigger, as they get smarter, as these as our computers get to know you more, all this needs to happen in a responsible way and in a way that adds value to humans and their computing devices. So the conversation spans sort of

Let's talk about these computers.

Microsoft unveiled a new category they are calling copilot plus PCs.

How do you explain what that is? Sure?

So, so what makes this sort of pivot point unique is this is the first time, I mean in recent memory, if not in a really forever that you sort of had a capability in Windows that you can't get on old machines. You need an entirely new class of hardware to get all these new AI experiences. One of the features called Recall, which just helps you basically have.

A much more.

Rich way to find information on your on your devices. You know, you lost a file and you only remembered part of the name, and or you saw something on you know, Amazon three days ago, a red you know shoes, and you can just say I was looking at red shoes a couple of days ago.

Help me find It'll bring that up right. So it has this memory right, that's very well, but that.

Requires a ton of new compute and so this is the first time that this new category of PCs has come out where you really need all this new processing power that's coming from Qualcomm in this first product Excellent and Xcelle Plus, and then we're coming from Intel and a m D at the end of at the end

So do you think it's a way to convince people to buy a new computer or is there something greater happening here?

I mean, I think they're trying to set themselves up for really the AI era in terms of hardware. You know, I don't expect this to you know, somebody bought a computer three years ago and goes, I need that for the new one. But there are a lot of computers out there that are five six years old and people who've just been like, just been waiting, you know, I don't I don't need to make the jump.

And hopefully this is attractive to them.

As enough new features that looks interesting enough that'll kind of move some of that lagging base over who have been delaying those refreshes into a into into new computers. And then obviously there's an enterprise side of this, right, Enterprise cycles pretty straightforward in terms of a three to four year cadence, and for them, right they're already making investments in AI, in the infrastructure and for their employees.

Now, I found it pretty interesting that these computers, at least the Microsoft Surface Laptop and the surface pro feature. A Qualcomm snap Dragon processor, not an Intel processor. Why do you think they went with Qualcom, who's not necessarily known for making desktop processors.

Yeah, so there's a number of these reasons.

And Qualcom has two skews, so it's the ex Elite and then X plus.

The main thing that.

Microsoft was sort of communicating yesterday was to do all these wonderful AI features. It requires and this number is not going to make a ton of sense to maybe anybody listening, but it requires forty tops, which is trillions of operations per second and dedicated to this new blocked the NPU. So you had CPUs before, people probably familiar with that. You get a GPU, people, and now these things come with NPUs, so.

CPU central processing you it's kind of like the heart of it GPU graphics. Now NPU is neural, which is more like what AI. Yeah, it's AI.

It's a different set of cores and it's just designed to run these very sophisticated AI applicant applications. So many of the features that you see, really if anybody shows shows AI is taking advantage of these neural processing you know units this block on the SFC and just to do it. Microsoft needed to have what they're saying, right is more than forty tops, and Qualtcum is the only product out there that has forty NPU tops capable of handling these AI workloads.

So they made the point.

Intel and a m D will have it eventually, but Qualcomm had that capability today and then and then the other benefit that Qualtcom has is the battery life on these machines is just so much more significant than what existed on competitive platforms. And obviously that's been a big story for max. Right, you just get really good battery life on They also run ARM, which is what Qualcomm does, so it's going to put the position itself very well

And I guess this is sort of a dumb question, but I think it's what a lot of people are going to be wondering. So if I get an AIPC, is it gonna make chat GPT faster on my computer?

Or is that not really what we're talking about here?

Yeah, it's not. I think that's not the part of it. I think it's new experiences. Right when you look at things like recall Microsoft to feature you can't that's not even chat gbt like you can't do that. That's just being able to use your computer in a natural way to help you find objects, documents, things you might have forgotten about right three days ago, calendar. So those are just unique features. That's not chat gbt R. And I think the world is bigger than chat gbt. There's a

And a note about the recall privacy wise, are people ready to have an entire record of everything they do on their computer at all times?

Yeah?

I think that, But there's privacy levers. You can tune, right, you can turn this off, you can hide certain websites. So I do think that there's going to take a little bit of learning curve for that. But the fact that you are in control of that privacy means that you know it's really up to you, right, you can use it or not use it. Enterprises again can turn it off, but when shifts like this happen, we sort of just have to adapt and get used to it.

Ben.

How can folks follow you online?

Yeah, so easiest way is on is on Twitter. I don't call it X, but it's Twitter. Ben at Ben behern is my is my Twitter, and then Creative Strategies is the website where we post a lot of our research and analysis.

To Ben, thanks so much for joining me here in Seattle.

Yeah, thanks for having me anytime.

All right, let's get back to those phone lines.

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Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging out with you on this Memorial Day weekend at Triple eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven four to two four one zero one. The website is rich on Tech dot tv. Once you're there, you can sign up for my newsletter. You can also follow me on social media. I am at rich on Tech. Also, I'm gonna have some details. We've got a friend of a show, friend of the show, Matt Swider, He's been a guest.

He runs the shortcut dot com.

He's got a cool deal where he's given away these Samsung Smart Tag twos for a buck instead of the usual thirty dollars. So I got mine, Bobo's getting his. I'll give you details on how to get that deal in just a moment, but first let's go to Michelle.

Michelle in Long Beach. You are on with Rich.

Hi. Rich.

One of your previous callers said he was the least technical people.

Okay, you are you challenging that. You're challenging Bill and Julian to be the least technical person.

Oh, by the way, record players were in cars.

Oh yes, I meant to hold on. Let me read that. So Stan Word wrote to me. He said they came out in nineteen fifty seven Chrysler products. They were the first ones to offer a phonograph.

It's a JC Whitney forty five record player. So I don't know.

I'm still suspect of this because I can't imagine how badly these things skipped in cars.

But oh much to suck.

Yeah, they still offered.

It, but I guess they didn't know what they didn't have. They didn't know that we'd have MP three's and CDs and all.

You know.

Now we have streaming and satellite and radio. I mean, there's just so many things. But how can I help you? Michelle?

Okay? On my Apple phone, every time I try to act add an app, even though it's a free app, even it says payment not complete. And I've added, you know, credit cards because in the Apple Pay I had some credit cards that had expired, so I deleted those and added the current ones. It still won't let me add an app.

Okay, Well, what's going on?

So you know, you do have to if there's any sort of issue with your payment information, they're not going to let you download even a free app, and so that's probably what's happening here.

Now.

Apple Pay is separate from your payment for the app store, so that might be the issue. So you need to go into your Apple ID and check what's going on with the payment there. So the way to access that is to go into settings on your iPhone, tap your name up at the top where it says Apple ID, and then it says payment and shipping. So if your card has expired, if they need to refresh the security code or something is going on. They're not going to let you download even a free app, and so that's

Rich doesn't know what he's talking about.

I know more than Rich, and other people are sitting there writing down everything I say, like it's you know.

Coming from abuff.

Thanks for the call, Michelle eight eight eight Rich one on one eight eight eight seven four to two four one zero one. Can you tell it's a holiday weekend? Yes, I am in a good mood today.

We've got Bobo back by the way, so Bobo, thanks for being back.

Just on.

Came back from a nice vacation, so yes, yeah it was needed? Was it necessary? Bobo?

I think works more than I do. So I think are we six days a week each? Yeah, we're six each, but you work harder than I do. So that's that's the difference. I kind of like slack, you know what. I mean, you're on TV every day.

I'm not.

I'm behind scenes. Bobo has a smile every day. So that's that's my goal is to walk through life with more of a smile.

Thanks, appreciate it.

Yes, okay, so I tease this, but let me tell you how to get this if you want one of their So you know you've heard of the air tag. Samsung has their version called a smart tag too. And friend of the show, Matt Swider, he runs a website called The Shortcut, made a great name for himself helping people find PlayStation fives when nobody could find them. So we masked like a million followers on Twitter and he's done a great job just helping people find deals online.

Yes, and we bought. How much was yours? Do you know what your total was? Yes?

That's what mine was a dollar eleven. We have a lot of tax here in Los Angeles, So your mileage may vary depending on what the tax is on a dollar where you live. But shipping was free. That was I thought they were gonna get me. I was like, Okay, here we go. Shipping is gonna be fifteen bucks. No, it was free. So if you want one of these smart tags that can keep track of your stuff, I actually have one on my bag. It's I got one from Samsung when I was in South Korea and so it's great.

It's just like an air tag.

It uses all the different Samsung devices in the world to help you find your stuff. So how do you find it? Go to Matt Swider m A. T. T. Swider either on his Instagram or his Twitter, and you have to comment Samsung on his post. So find his post about this, comment Samsung, and then it will send you like a DM with all the information and the details.

And check your inbox. Check your inbox. Yeah, that's where you'll get the information.

All right.

Coming up, I'm gonna tell you a cool feature called photo Unblur. Why I'm so impressed with it? You are listening to rich on Tech. We welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging out with you talking technology on a Memorial Day weekend. Hope you're having a meaningful Memorial Day. Phone line for the show is eight eight eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven four two four one zero one. So Google is having some trouble with a new feature. This is a big

Links are there, they're just down at the bottom.

The problem is, there have been many, many instances of these AI overviews providing incorrect or dangerous information. People are posting about these things all over social media. Some of them I can't even mention because they are just two outrageous. So what's happened is Google's AI is picking up information from a variety of sources, which could be Reddit, it

But I'm not always right.

I mean, there's just information out there that's just wrong, and you do need, you know, the wisdom of the crowd sometimes to realize that. So this is a major turning point for Google where I'm not going to say it can make or break the company, but this right now is a bunch of people on social media posting these things that are not very good. It will bubble up, especially if there is a big, huge issue with this in a large, meaningful way.

And it also gives Google some pause.

This is a huge new feature, this AI overview, because this is how they compete with chat GPT and if they can't figure AI out, nobody can. Chat GBT is a new company. It says at the bottom chat GBT can make mistakes, check important info. Google Does Google say that, I don't know if their AI overviews they need to Let's see should I eat rocks? Okay, they got rid of that AI overview because I have a feeling people are going through Google right now. Everyone all hands on deck.

Thank you, thanks for having me. I love your show.

Thank you.

Quick questions for you, and forgive me if this may be the wrong place to search for this information. But I have an idea for a cell phone that from what I can tell in my minimal research is there's nothing like it out there. And are there websites or companies out there that are trustworthy that you can go to with an idea, run it by them and they'll help you. They'll either say Yep, great idea, or no, it's taken, or no, you don't even want to go there.

Well, I don't know if there's going to be a company that does that, because here's the thing, you know, there are millions of ideas out there. Ninety nine percent of a good idea is execution right. So you may go to ten people with your idea and nine of them may say, dude, this is the worst idea I've ever heard, and one person may believe in it, and then they do it and you make millions upon millions

Hold on, let's see what the date that is?

June tenth is this year, so you know, kind of follow that community, see what's happening there.

What was that called again, Apple.

WWDC, that's called the Worldwide Developers Conference. And a lot of these people I meet Tim, honestly, they are you know, they're smart people. But I've seen students come up with apps and they can code them. You can go on Apple's website if you go to developer dot Apple dot com Apple gives you all the tools to develop an app, and a lot of times it's very inexpensive, if not free, to do this. So you can go there and kind

You code that.

So these are all resources, but the reality is with your situation, yes, you can go to some developers or people that create apps and see what they think and they may, you know, take you on and help you do this.

You can also pay for someone to do this.

You can go on a website like Fiverr and hire a developer that can help you actually code the app. So there are many ways to do this. The reality is it all comes down to execution, and if you believe in this app and you think that it's something that can make a lot of money, you have to believe in it and you have to help guide it along. There's no sort of magic bullet that can just make this thing a reality and make you a lot of money.

And I know some of these.

People, and believe me, they have showed me some stuff in early stages. And now they live in very nice houses on very nice hills and fly in very nice planes or very nice plane seats. I should say some of them flying nice planes. But good luck, Tim, appreciate it. Okay. So I was playing with a feature. I was going through my Google photo library today and there is a feature that Google announced a couple of months ago, maybe I don't know, it could have been a year ago,

Well.

Today I was going through my Google photo collection and I came across a blurry photo. I'm like, let me just try this again. And I tapped photo on blur and I am not kidding you. It took an old photo that was completely blurry and it is int and it's incredible. And I went through and I tried it on a couple more photos and I don't know what Google has done to tweak their algorithm since this came out, but it is really really good, and it's quite uncanny

Try it out.

Find an old photo, just search for can you search for blurry? I think you can search for blurry inside Google Photos and it should show you some blurry pictures.

Let's say I'm gonna search real quick.

But that's an incredible feature that we'll just now you can't search for blurry okay, so you got to go in your Google Photos, tap your little profile icon, and there's a way to find it. If you tap your account storage. I think you can find it in there. It'll show you some of your blurry photos. Yeah, blurry photos, but it is an incredible feature. Photo on blur can really take an old picture and just make it look new again.

All right?

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I remember show number one and here we are seventy three in so you can find the link on that website and links to everything that I talk about in fact, and while you're there, follow me on social media at rich on Tech. Let's see, we got an email from John on the website. John and san Clemente says, Hey, rich I'm wondering if there's a good translation software from my iPhone fifteen Promax that enables me to translate from

Where'd you say you're going Europe?

So yeah, So if you're in like the UK and you need to translate a menu that's written in British English, I'm just kidding. Let's say you're in you know, France or Italy or something, you would just say Italian, hover it over the menu, and in real time you will see it translate on your phone screen. This is stuff that is out of a sci fi movie, and we have it available today now. If you're on Android, or if you want something different, you can just download Google

So I'm going to do that right now.

I'm going to take a picture of some text on chat GBT and let's see here. Okay, So I'm taking a picture of something right here, and I'm going to say, can you translate? Can you translate this into Spanish? And it's a photo that I just took, and it's going to take a couple of seconds here and there it goes. It just translated everything into Spanish. That is just incredible. So there are so many ways of doing this these days.

So what do you do? You force close.

Your browser if you're on iPhone or Android, just swipe out the browser app and then you want to clear out your browser data, and that way it will clear out any cookies or URLs or data that might.

Cause this to happen. Again, it's not something you did.

This is basically just you know, it comes from a website, any website, and it just scares people into doing things that they shouldn't do. If you want to see that, you can go to my Instagram at rich on Tech.

Do not fall for scareware. It's there to scare you and trick you. Coming up, we're gonna talk ev myths right here on rich on Tech.

Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich DeMuro here talking technology with you. We'll get back to the phone lines in just a moment at eight eight eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven four two four one zero one. The website is rich on Tech dot TV. Well, I'm excited to introduce my next guest, Tim Stevens, freelance automotive journalist. When I saw his article on Inside EV's headlined will my electric car leave me stranded? I knew I had to have him on the show. Tim, Welcome to the show.

Thanks, Rich made to talk to you.

Yeah, so tell me just what's what's you're up to these days? You're doing You've got a substack, I know, and just your free lance writing about cars, right.

Yeah, Yeah, I've you know, been following tech and the automotive industry for a long time now, and yeah, the opportunity to go freelance just about two years ago now, So I've been writing doing a lot of car reviews, news and a lot of a lot of pieces that helped to kind of dig into really company the sorobjects on the automotive side of things, so software find vehicles,

Now, I will tell you I've had an EV for I think three years now. It's been the best purchase of my life.

But I will tell you.

Every single time we have to go on a road trip, my wife fights me every single time to this day about not taking the EV because of the perceived hassle. And you know, to me, it's I love the ride, I love how smooth it is. Charging Yeah, it could be a little complicated sometimes, but not really, I mean, except for the time you're stopping.

But let's talk about this.

So, what advice would you give to someone considering getting an EV but they're worried about the potential of getting stranded.

Honestly, there's not really anything to really be concerned about. EV's do have far fewer moving parts, and if you look at the number of parts in an average internal question engine alone, there's a lot of moving parts in there versus an EV electric motor, which has basically one

That kind of thing.

The second thing is it tends to be a lot of software related issues, which are tend to be pretty and they can be fixed via software updates. So but in terms of major mechanical issues, evs are simpler, and there's really less risk of you being stranded in an EV than in you know, something that's got a lot of things blowing up underneath the hood all the time.

Now, when you think about a car, like a gas powered car, even if you're running to zero, you know on the fuel, you know that there's a gas station nearby, unless you're in the middle of nowhere. But with an EV you're kind of like living and dying by that range, right, So how is the EV's how are they doing these days in terms of like range prediction accuracy, Like is it going to go from like fifty miles to zero like with by pushing the accelerator really hard, or is it gotten pretty good?

It's gotten better, but this is still a little bit in or missing, and it really depends on the manufacturer. BMW, for example, it does really really good. I have a BMW. I access my current EV and I'm amazed at how

It's remarkably good.

On the other hand, Ford, in my experience, has not been very good. I've had forward EV's be twenty or three percent off on estimates, and that's obviously a little bit disconcerting. But even they're getting better. They've just launched a new cloud based range justimate system that basically, when you put your navigation in your destination in it does the same kind of thing. It looks at the current weather predictions and your driving habits to give you a

Okay, So when it comes to, you know, if you charge at home, I always tell people, Look, if you're charging at home or charging at work and you're just driving this to and from those places, you're going to be fine. Now, obviously when you're out on the road, it's a little bit trickier because you're you're relying on this, you know, infrastructure that's been built and it's still being built out. So what do you make about that, Like,

Yeah, the majority people charge at home the majority of the time. It's over ninety percent of the time, and if you think about it, that's that's really kind of removes the majority of the need for public charging.

You know, if you can charge.

At home, then really you probably only you need a public charger once in a rare while. But certainly the public charging infrastructure has been pretty poor to begin with. It is getting much much better.

Every day.

They are new charges coming online, and these charging companies are starting to make more money. There are more evs on the roads, so they're making more money, which means they're putting more charges in and they're making them better,

Quickly.

Now we know, if you get stuck in a gas car, you've got Triple A. They'll come by with a little bit of gas and get you on your way. Does that I don't even know. Does that happen with EV's Like could you could someone come to your car? I know there's like mobile EV chargers, but is that a thing, Like does Triple A have the ability to do that? Or like how what would happen about it ran out?

You know, Like yeah, anyway, Triple A does actually have that service. It's only in certain major metropolitan areas at this point. It's kind of a it's not a new program, but they're still rolling it out slowly based on demand. But yeah, I actually spoke with Triple as part of this,

Now, I often hear about this situation with with tire maintenance and evs and I've yet to replace my tires. Is my car going to tell me when to do that? Or should I do that? And what's the deal? Is it different than you know I've heard? Because these cars accelerate so fast, the tires wear out quicker.

Can you give me some insight on that? Yeah?

Absolutely, So your average EV is heavier than your average non EV because of that big old battery pack that's sitting in there, and they're also a lot quicker than your average non EV, and that combination alone can wear through tires very quickly. So people do tendes see their EV's running through tires more quickly than they might be used to in their normal internal the busting car. So

You know what.

And I will say I have not had any sort of maintenance situations with my car, but I will tell you my wife's car. H she got the little coolant light the other day. So I got to give a little shout out. She's like, hey, do you mind. You know, I got to figure out I I'm like, okay, Like I'll take it to Jiffy Lube.

I took it there. I'm not kidding Tim.

The guy opened up the hood, he filled it up with the coolant, and he said, all right, have a great day. I said, what do you mean, Like, where do I check out? He goes, no, you're good. So what I mean that's it? You know, they're playing the long game for me to come back. Obviously, that was like so nice, and you rarely see that anymore so.

Especially in the out of repairness read there's a lot of shady people doing shadings.

So that's really good to hear.

I was fully expecting to pay one hundred and fifty bucks for that, and the guy could have charged me that. I would have been like none, none of this wiser Okay, before we go, any other tip that you want to mention, or any any ev that you want to debunk here before we I.

Think one of the things I hear a lot of people worried about is what happens in emergency. What happens if I'm stranded on the side of the road in an EV you know, the bat are going to die and I'm going to freeze to death. And that is absolutely not the case. Car driver did a test the Renatisal Model three to see how long it would keep the cabin warm, and it was basically two solid days, about forty eight hours that car ran to keep you warm.

Well, and we're going to leave it there, but I will tell you one more story. When I was covering hurricanes back in my old journalism days of Standard News Reporter, we were in what became Katrina, and I'm not kidding. We could not find gas. We had to drive so far to find a working gas station and that was the biggest issue. And so ever since that occurrence, our car, by the way, was only on like a quarter tank

Yeah, my substract is a great place to go to Tim Stevens at substack dot com or Tim Stevens dot me or on the socials most most places as at Tim Stevens.

All right, Tim Stevens, thanks for joining me today. Appreciate it.

Thanks Rich great talk to you.

Eighty eight rich one on one eight eight eight seven four to two four one zero one. More rich on Tech coming your way right after this. Welcome back to Rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging out talking technology at Triple eight Rich one O one eight eight eight seven four to two four one zero one. The website for the show rich on Tech dot TV. Let's go to Debbie in Fallbrook, California. Debbie, you're on with Rich Hi.

Rich. Strange things happen in about the last month. I have a fansung Android and Verizon is my carrier, and suddenly most of the images I receive in text messages are no longer legible or seeable. They're just a blur, very pixelated. I was concerned it was my phone and I wasn't really looking forward to having to swop it out. But I went online and checked, and there are who knows how many people I was directed to lots of opinions. Yeah, and what had all types of Android fanphon.

What's happening with your phone? What's happening when you get a text? Is it just pictures?

It's only the images?

Yeah?

Okay? And are they being sent from an from an iPhone?

Now it's not the iPhone problem. I thought that was it. I started quizzing the people that were sending them.

It's both okay, it's both right.

And every person on the reddit site that discussed this has Verizon and it seems like there's no coincidence there as well, denominating.

Now here's the deal, Like anytime something like this happens, like you know, you're you can find whatever you want online to support whatever you're thinking online. So you know these people are having the issue. They're all finding the same exact posts that you're finding, and they're adding to it, and you know it's a it's just an echo chamber. And so you know, Verizon has one hundred million customers with you know, Samsung, or fifty percent, let's say, have

Well, I wasn't aware of what app I was using, but after reading all this, I suspect that I'm just using Samsung's app. Okay, I haven't changed any of the settings.

So the first thing, let's try.

The first thing I would do try Sorry, the first thing I would do is download the Bobo. The first thing the first thing I would do is try to is download Google's messaging app. That's what I would do. So if you're not using Google's messaging app, I would go onto Google Play and I would search for messages. So, depending on the age of your phone, Samsung has switched all of their messaging to Google Messages, so I would type in Google Messages. I would download that and I

Usually those are fleeting anyway. Uh So that's the other thing you can do.

The other thing I would recommend doing is resetting your network settings. And so you can go into your settings on your phone and you can type in uh gosh. This is of course, whenever I try to find something live on the radio, it's it's tricky. But if you go into let's see here, if you type in re let's see if I can find it quickly if.

You go into reset.

Go into your settings and then type in reset up at the top and it says reset Mobile network settings, so you can reset your mobile network settings and that will reset everything back to sort of what Verizon wants on your phone. And then, of course, you know the basic things I would make sure that you're doing, Debbie with your phone is make sure that all of your apps are up to date. Make sure all of your Samsung software is up to date. Those are two different things.

Four to two four one zero one.

Southwest Airlines is now on Google Flights. They have been a long time holdout of being on any other third party flight comparison site, and they're tiptoeing into these waters with Google Flights. So it used to be when you were on Google Flights, which by the way, is the best and only way that I searched for flights, it used to be that they would show you that Southwest had a flight, but you had to go to Southwest's website or they're app to actually see the fare.

Well.

Now Southwest has clearly cut some sort of deal with Google and their fares are shown directly alongside other airlines on Google Flights.

Now what does this mean?

Some conspiracy theorists are saying, well, this is the beginning of the end, because now Southwest is going to have a signed seating, They're going to have first class, they're gonna have all these different things you know, extra leg room, you know you can pay more.

So is that the case, I'm not sure.

All we know right now is that if you are looking to compare a Southwest flight against you know, a traditional carrier, that's on Google flights, all the information is there and for all the different booking classes that Southwest has, I think they have four, from the want to get away to the you know business select that people get where they you know you can get a refund.

So the cool thing is twofold here.

Because you have this on Google Flights, you can now track a Southwest flight price just like you can another airline. And more importantly, you can track a Southwest flight price after you book it because you may be able to get a refund depending on the fare you booked. They might either give you a flight credit if the price drops, or a full on cash refund if the price drops.

Talk to a guy who does AI chatbots, and he's going to talk about how people are using them as friends and even lovers.

You are listening to Rich on Tech. Welcome back to another hour of Rich on Tech. My name is rich DeMuro. This is the show where I talk about the tech stuff I think you should know about. It's also the place where I answer your questions about technology. Phone lines are open at triple eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven four two four one zero one. Hal rode in on the website rich on tech dot tv. What's the best place to learn AI and chat GPT

It's pretty wild.

Speaking of chat GBT, this week, there was a little skurfuffle between chat GBT Open Ai and Scarlett Johansson, the actress, so Open AI she claimed that their sky voice is eerily similar to her voice, and Open AI said no, no, no, We chose this voice out of a two hundred actor or four hundred actors, and there was no intention to imitate you, even though CEO Sam Altman tweeted when they announced their new AI features for chat GBT her, remember

This sound like a human.

And actually, this is gonna be a good question for our guests later in the show. Me AI makes these chatbots that people become friends with and they consult them, they chat back and forth with them, and they even kind of fall in love with them apparently, So what happened with Scarlett Johansson, We don't know. If they try to mimic her voice. But according to open ai and Scarlet Johansson's people, that open ai reached out to her and said, hey, will you voice this for us? Will

But it all backfired.

It got them the worst possible publicity, which now people just don't trust open ai and Chat GBT because they tried to copy Scarlett's voice.

So that happened this week. Let's go to.

Sharon Sharon and take Stephens, Washington. Sharon, what's going on?

Bhi Rich? How are you today?

I'm doing fantastic. How far is Lake Stephens from where I was in Seattle?

It's about an hour's drive?

Okay, not too bad. What can I help you with?

I was pleasantly surprised to see you up here.

Oh well, I was pleasantly surprised to be up there. It's a beautiful place.

I have an Apple iPhone fifteen promacs that have photos on it, and I'm looking to move those photos onto another device, and I want a recommendation in if you could give it for what to move them to, and either a pump drive or something like that. Currently, it's telling me, I get that error message on the activities. It's telling me I'm at four point eighty seven of five gigabytes, and I can't get rid of that message.

When I keep.

Saying not now, not now, it.

Doesn't go away. Okay, So I'm looking to put photos on something else. I don't want to keep paying and paying and paying.

Right well, okay, so a couple of things. Are you an Amazon Prime member by any chance?

I am?

Okay?

So Amazon Prime has a great thing where you can upload your photos to their photos app for free, and it's unlimited. So that might be a first place you start. Because here's the thing. A couple things. Number one, I think the first level of storage for iCloud is like ninety nine cents a month. I think that gives you like fifty gigs. Is that what you understand?

That's a message.

Okay, I'm getting.

So that's twelve bucks a year. So yeah, you know you're going to buy one of these flash drives. And here's my concern about the flash drive. And I can give you my recommendation for it, for sure. But my concern is that, you know, if you're offloading these pictures to this flash drive, they only live on that flash drive, and if something were to ever happen to that flo drive,

If you don't have it in the cloud.

Somewhere, So you want to have somewhere, you know, you want to have a couple of different copies of these things. I know not everyone does that, and I understand that that's a lot of work, but I don't like the idea of you just having these on a flash drive that's very small, and if you lose it, or if it's damaged or whatever, you know, you're out of look So I would look into the Amazon Photos app. You get unlimited storage. You could upload them to there and

Start uploading these things to the cap.

Right now, with all that said, uh, the one I recommend is the sand Disc. They have a bunch of flash drives that are either you have a iPhone fifteen, you said, so that's gonna have USBC. So you can look at their flash drives on their website. If you go to sand disc and type in their or go to their you know, flash drive section. You want one

You a little bit there. Okay, okay, but again, so let me just the drive starts at thirteen ninety nine, so you could put the softa a year, and you could pay for a year of the cloud storage and then maybe come.

Back to this next year. But you know, there's different ways of doing this. I understand that the whole iCloud thing and storage online is definitely people don't want to pay. Like I'm on with Google Photos and I'm up to like I think it's twenty five a month now and I'm just like one of these days, yeah, and I you know, it's kind of from my job, so it's fine, but it's one of these things where you know these companies Amazon, Google or sorry not yeah, I guess Amazon too, Amazon,

That makes perfect sense.

Well, thanks for the call today from Lake Stevens Uh. When I was up there, I had two incredible days of weather and one day that was not so nice, so I know, but it is such a beautiful place up there near Seattle, Pacific Northwest. I actually lived up there. I lived in Yakima, Washington. That was my first job ever. I was a reporter at.

K n d O t V. And it was it was beautiful.

It did.

It was very sunny in Yakima, but it was I felt very isolated up there because you are tucked into the kind of the corner of the US. But up there in that Pacific Northwest. People really embrace the outdoors. They embrace kind of the world we live in, and I love that about it. The coffee, the fishing. It's just beautiful, beautiful place. So I was very happy to be up there this week, and even though one day

You should grab it now, completely free.

I'll tell you about that, plus much more coming up right here on rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich On Tech. Sitting here singing along, not realizing the mic is on. Welcome back to the show. Let's go to uh, let's go to Gina and riverside. Gina, what's on your mind?

Thank you, Hi, thank you for taking my call. I apologize if it sounds a bit staticky. It's just I'm in my vehicle listening to you.

Well, thank you for doing that. Were you headed anywhere? Fun?

No?

No, not quite, just work. I guess that can be fun if you put your mind into it, and then you're grateful for the income.

I guess absolutely, what can I help you.

With moving forward?

I have I have some concerns and some questions I guess in reference to and this might be above your knowledge, and that's okay, but a lot of things are I know, I know, but you may know the right people that can connect with the right people, and hopefully this can be something.

That can be challenged or discussed, because it seems like it's a huge, huge issue and a huge problem. I was thinking to my grandfather about it, and my father and.

They both agree it's just the Internet is all over the place. It's basically unprovisioned. It's free for all. And I know that we have these major companies that we invest in and that we employ, and these people make great, great money. But my biggest fear is how can we implement more of a structure other than paying third parties that don't do much of anything to either help protect, guide and not retaliate or hack into people's personal social media.

Recently I'm on to fixed income and I don't know what jurisdiction lies because they now want to remove it because I sold a car, you know, So I don't know how invasive all this.

Works because I'm not that far up the quote unquote homeland security, whether it exists or it doesn't, or whether it was something that was in the past back in nineteen forties and fifties, and we now got all the fortunate, lucky elders running it. But we need some structure, man, I mean, this is odd of whack.

Well okay, yeah, let me.

I appreciate the sentiment, and I do understand, and I think that you're touching upon something that is very.

There are a lot of thoughts on this stuff and the Internet.

The beauty of the Internet and the beauty of living in America, and the fact that we have an Internet is that it is open and free, and so it has connected people in New ways it is built things

To have to have rules.

They want to make their own rules, and they want to pretend, or at least imply that they are trying to protect everyone when you know, at the end of the day, what are they interested in. They're interested in data, they're interested in advertising. And this social media stuff has really become a huge, a very divisive part of our society because you can post anything you want, and you can't say anything you want, and there's a lot of people on various sides of things that also may not

And there's also this law. I looked up this law.

I knew it was called something I think is Section two thirty is what it's called.

And this was made.

This is the Communications Decency Act of nineteen ninety six. And this has a pretty big impact of kind of what you're talking about. With these companies like Facebook and Twitter and Instagram, they're not really liable for what people post on those sites. So people can post things and they're not legally responsible for what they post because you know, well, it's a person posting it, and it's not Facebook that's

Sort of effort.

We are still in the learning phase of all of this, and believe me, we are just getting started, and there are going to be a lot of changes in the future when when it comes to how we figure this stuff out, because people are getting hip to the fact that, yeah, when your Facebook gets hacked, there's no one to call. Instagram gets hacked, there's no one to call. You are listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging out with you talking

Much for joining me.

Thanks so much for having me quite.

The interesting topic. First off, let's explain what me AI does.

Yeah, definitely, so know me is an AI friend companion. A lot of people are probably aware of, like chackchipt for instance, where you can ask AI to LA write you an essay or like a research article. Know Me is using similar AI to that, but it's more designed on like kind of an EQ level to just be someone that you can talk to about your day, about your interest, but anything that's going on in your life.

So this is sort of like almost companionship. Do are you seeing a lot of people using this?

Yeah? Absolutely, we have over one hundred thousand users right now, and yeah, many are using them in that sort of like companionship way that you described.

What are when you say companionship are people? What are people asking these bots?

Yeah, I'd say it ranges just about everything. Would there's a loneliness epidemic right now, and I would say just almost imagine like any place in your life where you might be kind of wishing there with someone to talk to about something that could range from just like venting about your day. It could be wanting to kind of go on like a little roleplay adventure, could be talking about the real world things that are going on in your life. It could also even be like in a more romantic angle.

Too romantic, tell me more about that aspect. So people are are people?

How are they? You? Okay? This is interesting?

So because I will say that I have tried the app and it did take an interesting turn at some point. And to explain the romantic angle here, because it's a chat by you can't you know, you're not going to do anything with this thing, but tell me what people are saying.

Yeah, definitely. So I would say that the idea for know me is to be able to simulate any and all facets of a human relationship. You can be lonely across any number of dimensions, and one of those can be romantic where you want your feeling lonely and you want to have some sort of companionship. You want to have someone tell you that they care about you. You want to be able to kind of role play things

And do you see that do you feel like that's the most popular use of this right now?

I would say that for people who use no me, they're often having no meis take on like multiple roles in their lives. It might be in the same way that that might be the case for a human relationship where you want someone that maybe you can talk to about your day, that you can complain about the boss that your boss that you hate, but then also maybe at the end to say, you know, like I'm here for you, I care about you, and more romantic things

What's the ethical implications of all this because I imagine that people are sharing some pretty intimate details.

Is this price it?

Is there something that someone says that flips it to you, that says, hey, we need to get this person.

Help tell me about that aspect.

Because if people are sharing really you know, personal things, you know there could be some concerns here.

Yeah.

Absolutely, And I will say people do share very personal things. There are users who have said, for instance, that maybe that they experienced like abuse or something traumatic as a kid, and they've been afraid to tell a real human about it because you know, they're worried about being ostracized, being

So we're talking about me AI. This is an AI companion with a memory and a soul, says, build a meaningful friendship, develop a passionate relationship, or learn from an insightful mentor how do you program these AI to interact with folks.

Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of AI research that went into building me, A lot of effort into not only making no mes smart, but also which I think is often very under explored in the AI space, giving it that sort of eq. It's one thing to be kind of like a brainiac. It's another where after a bad after a rough day, and you complain to you know, you know me about it, you know me remembers, oh, well they they recently had this help.

Bobo always complains about Rich after the show. We know that exactly, but say.

You know me will remember that, and oh man, Rich, she's that SIS definitely complaining about but I would it. Cornerstone of all of it is our research and work on the memory side of things. Having an AI that can really remember and internalize things about you, not just like facts about you, but like you know, little personality quirks that you have, things that excite you, things that

And where do you see this going?

Because I imagine right now you're chatting on your phone like it's almost like a chat, you know, like a text message chat. Where do you see this going? Like, do you see like an actual being with this built into it? Because that it already seems realistic, and so to take it to that next level, is that the next kind of uh, the next step here?

Yeah, So I would say you're right that right now you're primarily interacting like you would like on a text messaging AAP. I would say coming up in the near future will be things like video chat for instance, where because you're know me, it's not just like kind of a land AI, it has like an actual face, personality and appearance where you can talk to your no MEI

Are there any limits to this so you do you have any guardrails built in whatsoever?

So our approach towards this is not to censor users and not to censor the AI, but rather to try to give but no me's just kind of a baseline of kind of good ethical best practices. Obviously, you know, if a user is saying something, you know, like about how like you know, they love they love Nazism or Hitler, we don't need to sensor, like have like something we hardcode in. We just have the no me understand Well,

Tell me about the free aspect of this versus the page. So I'm looking at you know, there's like standard plans, there's monthly plans, there's a yearly plan. What do you get for the different plans, you know, for paid versus free.

Yeah, so if you're on free account and it's free forever, you can chat up to fifty messages a day so you have many users, that's perfectly sufficient. You know, you can log in, you can chat with it, help like just kind of experiment around, see what it's about. It's

All right, I've got it run, But I'm just curious, Alex, what made you build this?

It was actually a pretty like personal, deeply personal story for me where I had an ex who had several mental health issues and she definitely experienced profound loneliness, and it was amazing to me just how impactful just having someone who's unequivocally there for her made such a big difference in like her, like how she was able to interact in the world and how she felt about herself.

Wow, all right, we're gonna leave it there. Alex Cardinell CEO of No me dot Ai. Thanks so much for joining me today.

Thank you, Rich. It's great being.

On fascinating, fascinating topic. I am sure we will hear much more about this in the future, the idea of having an AI friend. All right, coming up, it's a feedback plus. I promised you the teacher free AI. I'll tell you about that. All coming up right here on rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here, I told you about this. I'm gonna tell you about this my Microsoft and con Academy teaming up. We'll get to the feedback in just a moment. This

Right. Uh, And it can do that.

So again, it's called con Mego and it's through con Academy. It used to cost money, now it is free if you're a teacher or you know a teacher. I would highly recommend looking into This link is up at the website rich on tech dot TV. Look for the light bulb, scroll all the way down and you can find the link to a sign up for con Migo. All right, now, let's get to the feedbag. This is a feedback plus the mail bag equals feedbag. These are the emails, the comments,

You know some people might get mad about a letter like this. I love it.

Okay, I get it, and John, I am very familiar with the term couple.

Few.

I always said couple is two, few is like three, maybe four, quadri several to me is like seven. So when I was just doing that con Migo story is four dollars. If I would have said, oh, it's a couple bucks, John would have said, wrong, it's a few dollars. Thank you for the feedback, Jim from Data Point Rights. Regarding your discussion last Saturday concerning voice assistants, I find that Alexa is much more informative than Siri or Google. Alexa will give me answers with a reference, whereas Siri

That's what CNBC is saying. But there is a way to trigger the smarter Alexa.

I think you say Alexa, let's chat, and if you get it, it'll say okay.

Now, it like unlocks the new one.

It's not working on my speakers just yet, but that's I think that's part of it. Fred from London rights the fellow from Utica London, England. By the way, the fellow from Utica New York was wondering how to see EXIF data inside his photos.

He's using total Commander.

Total Commander has a simple add on that reads and displays EXIF data on its add on's page. Configure columns to include EXIF data and dates and your problem solved. Hope this helps. Thank you, Fred from London. Sean writes, Dear Rich, I just came across your video about starlink on flights to Hawaii. It seems like a monumental improvement, which is great to see. Thanks for that video and information.

It was.

I still don't think the iPad is the best for getting work done. I was struggling a little bit that week, although I did, you know, towards the end of the week figure it out.

But that's what it was.

Dean writes Rich these calls give me PTSD as an ISP support tech support person, you handle them well. Great, great show, Dean, Thank you, Dean. You know, look, it's all about patients. I don't have all the answers here. I just don't, but I do try to help.

And that is it.

I said it in the beginning of the show. I'll say at the end of the show, my goal is to make this the most helpful thing that you listen to all week long. A lot of people like to talk, myself included, but I like to help. And that's why I've got a newsletter, and that's why I do this show because I really enjoy coming in here and this is a community. I don't have all the answers, but

Just doing his.

Thing when I say something like that, whatever, it's just say. You can find me on social media. I am at rich on tech next week. What am I doing next week? Let's take a look at the calendar. It is a holiday week. Oh got a good interview coming up. We're gonna talk to a guy who has visited every country in the world. My kids watched this guy on YouTube. I interviewed him years ago when he embarked on his adventure, and now he's coming back full circle.

He's just written a book.

So we're gonna talk to Drewbinsky about visiting all of the countries in the world. Thanks so much for listening. There are so many ways you can spend your time. I really do appreciate you spending it right here with me. Thanks to everyone who makes this show possible, Bobo, Kim, Bill, Robin, Julie going up the food chain here, who else we got and you, most importantly you for listening.

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