♪♪ In every generation there have been revivals, massive moves of the spirit that changed the course of history. In every revival, there were believers like you who chose to answer the call to become the one in their generation. Discover your call to be the one in your generation. Welcome to Revival Radio TV. I'm Gene Bailey, and boy, you've got a treat today because we're going to dive into the life of Charles Capps and go, well, I've heard that name before. Who's that?
Well, I've got the expert on Charles Capps, Annette Capps. Thank you for being on the show today. Thank you for inviting me. All right, so let's go back in time. Since you grew up in the caps household, and let's kind of dive into your father. Let's kind of, let's start back in the beginning, or far back, because you were. He was a farmer. He was a farmer. He was the son of a farmer who was a son of a farmer.
So he was a farmer at least three generations that were very, much a addicted to their farming. It's a way of life. And it's something you don't easily give up. That's right. And the farmers that I have known, they. It's a, it's almost it's inbred. Yes. This is what I do. This is it's more so that I think in a lot of other occupations, it's, there's a deeper connection to the soil. So it's it's a real deal. But he's also known as the flying farmer. Yes, I mean that.
Well, my dad always wanted to fly growing up. So after he and my mom got married, she was older, so they got married. He was 18, she was 17. And so he's now out of my grandmother's house who was scared of flying anything about it. So he went to take lessons and someone had to sign because he wasn't an adult. Yeah. And even though they were married. So my mother sun for him to take flying lessons and he started flying and just the two loves of his life, flying and farming.
And they had a organization called the International Flying Farmers. Wow. And so he was a farmer and he flew. So he joined the International Flying Farmers. And from that, we went all over the United States to these conventions of these flying farmers. Literally. I did not know that. Yeah. That's wild. So all right. Well, let me, let me let's go back because I already I've already got ahead of myself. So he's born 1934. So he's a child of the depression. Era. And what he is.
Because I know that because that's where my father was. And so there were certain things that were kind of ingrained in him, you know, he was he was a saver. He was, you know, you never threw away anything. And, and so nothing wrong with that by any means. We need a little we need more of that back in our world today than what we are seeing. But when he when he was grew up as a teenager, I thought I didn't know he went to the Voice of healing revivals with Oral and Branham.
Jack Co did he ever talk about that much to you? Well, he was a teenager, so that wasn't the highlight of his life. Right. But my grandparents talked to me about it. And what did they say? Oh, my. It was, revolutionary in their lives because they they received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. When Pentecost first came to northern Arka And so, you know, this, somebody in the early part of the 1900s came and held a brush arbor and started preaching. Yes.
And they heard about these people speaking in tongues, and they went to check it out, and they were baptized in the Holy Spirit. But then there persecution broke out. Yes. And my grandmother would tell me about them having meetings in the houses and and pulling all the drapes and everybody hiding and keeping just a candle where they could read the Bible and pray. And all this because they would throw rocks through the windows.
And I guess, I guess they even threatened to kill them because they thought they were a cult or something like that. So they lived through that persecution and then it became more acceptable. Acceptable. And so my grandparents moved to England, Arkansas. They loaded up all their stuff, and they moved down there on a train from North Arkansas, down to the Delta. The Mississippi between the Arkansas River and the Mississippi River is the Delta.
Right. Arkansas. So they moved to the Delta and found it much more, accommodating for farming because there's no rocks up in northern Arkansas. You clean it up and rocks just come up. Right? So they moved down there, but there was no place to worship. So they built a church, and they hired a pastor to come in so they could have a Holy Spirit filled church in England, Arkansas.
Well, it's it's used to me listening to you tell that is how much it affected them to the fact that they were they would talk about that with you even all they did. Both my great grandmother and my grandmother talked to me. Matter of fact, within the family there, my great grandmother's sister had followed. That's all she did was go to these these meetings. And of course, then my grandmother and my great grandmother, they went to see Jack. They went to see Branham. They went to see Oral Roberts.
Matter of fact, when I was six months old, I had pneumonia, and my great grandmother had a prayer cloth from Combs meeting. Really? And she asked, my mother was a methodist. Yeah. Okay. So she came over and asked my mother if she could put that cloth on me, and she lied that cloth on me. And I was healed from pneumonia. Jacko's meeting. That's wild. I did not know that. Yeah, it's a real heritage to be raised on that. Build on that foundation?
Yeah it is, it is any in the they ever she ever talk about like William Branham and what she thought of of him. Oh yes. Absolutely. Like I said, my great grandmother's sister, Florence, she went to every Brown meeting and she was what they call a Branham. Right? Oh, yeah. You know about that, right? I do, I do so, unquestionably, William Branham had a gift, an anointing from God. I don't know that anybody could dispute that, however.
And certain time in his life, he began to think he should be a teacher, want to be a Bible teacher without Bible knowledge, which meant that things went awry. And I think people like Gordon Lindsay, you know, talk about this. He traveled with him. So it sort of developed into something different than what it originally was. And then a lot of people called it a cult journal. Branham lights.
But my grandparents, my great grandmother, they did not I think they they really knew that things weren't quite right. Right, right. And so then they they continued to follow, mainly brother Oral Roberts. Right. I mean, I've got pictures of brother Oral Roberts and his family when all the kids were little and I got from my grandmother, I got a book from William Branham that I got from my great grandmother. Oh, that's why things like that. So is it interesting how and me ask you this?
I know it's a little off topic, but it seems that there are so many people throughout history, through church history, that God there was obvious there was this major gift that God had given him in their life. And even to current days, I can name people I want that they think they are. So the gift of God is there, and somehow along the way, they believe will, I am an anointed teacher as well.
Or I'm an anointed in healing ministry, you know, and it's like, no, that's not it's obvious to everybody else. It is obvious. Everybody knows, but not to that person. Why do you think that is? You know, I've asked that same question. And I think, and this is just my guess, I'm not here from God right here. Right. But this is just always been my guess, is it? You start thinking more highly of yourself than you. I agree, and I don't have it all. You know, Gene, the Lord has used me in teaching.
The Lord has used me in some prophetic things, but I don't. I've only got a part of it. I have a piece of it. And until God tells me to move somewhere else, I need to stick with peace. God gave me. That's very wise, and it doesn't matter whether I want to do something else or not. Sure, because I've told Lord I said place or don't let me prophesy of these things. Yeah, don't make me tell people to get water or whatever because they'll think I'm crazy, right?
But the bottom line is, are we obedient to the Spirit of God or not? And not going beyond what God called us to do? I mean, I mean, and I do, but I agree with you 100%, and I believe because of people I've known throughout the years, is to be careful who you surround yourself with. Yes, because who you surround yourself with, they'll start because they have something to gain and they'll start telling you you were God's gift to man. And, pretty soon you start.
If you're not careful, you start believing everything you hear in and you then you're off. You're off, off, off. And you're you're getting crazy. Well, there's a little extra, but, Yeah, I think that's something we should all be looking for in our own lives. Be careful that you don't miss it. Thank you. I like what you said. I have a piece of it. I have a piece of this puzzle. I remember the first time I heard Kenneth Copeland say on television. Go to church this weekend.
God's told me, instructed me about faith. That's not the whole counsel of God, but go to church. And I thought, wow, look at that. Somebody actually saying, I don't know it all. Yeah, yeah. It's something. It was, it's just me. All right, let's let's pick back up with your dad. Charles. Charles Capps The fact that they would. What a history.
And I think this is, you know, of course, I'm always liking going back in time to all of these tent meetings and the Crusades, because I. There's just something about that. There was an innocence at that time, and there was a it was obvious, a great outpouring. Yes. But look at what was birthed in that with your grandparents. And I see it in your eyes when you talk about it. How how they must have told you about all of that. I mean, there was an excitement about that.
So I just think that's it's very interesting. All right. So they went to that. So he grew up and but he was active. Your dad was active in the church as well. He was he was a deacon, Sunday school superintendent. He was involved and everything. Church, you know, Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday night revivals, every night, the typical sort of thing. But what went what went beyond his involvement? What's that gene is God was doing something in him. Was the area of teaching him.
And back then we didn't I didn't even know about the ministry. We didn't know about that in our church. We didn't know there were anointed teachers. You know, people didn't used to not talk about that at all. Yeah, but I can look back and see how God was bringing that gift down in him, because what happened is God gave him a very simplistic way of soul winning. Right? A something he could teach everybody to do. And so he began to teach this in the churches in the denomination where we were.
And it was so effective. And it people felt emboldened and encouraged by it. And they would go out and go house to house and use this technique that he taught. And it became well known. So little in our denomination started using him to go teach these, the come Home invasion crusade. And he traveled all over the United States teaching personal evangelism with some of the top people in the denomination. They go all over and they even traveled to, New York. He met David Wilkerson, right.
Taught, crusades there, teaching, held a witness, met I think he met Nicky Cruz, David Wilkerson that and got sort of familiarized with teen challenge. Right. And so his teaching on how to win souls and became used in Teen Challenge. But the fact is that he was developing that teaching gift, right? Even though he didn't really know the he knew the Bible, but not the word. As we talk about the word right. But that was developing.
So isn't it interesting that as believers and this is something that unfortunately a lot of Christians that go to church don't realize you're commanded to win the lost where it's not a, oh, you know, if you feel like it in the environment, right. Share the word no. We are commanded to go out there and be witnesses. So it's interesting how that was the doorway that got from from soul winning. In fact, before I get off the soul winning part, what was the, can you encapsulate his technique?
You said it was very unusual. I asked modesty, and we have looked and look, but this was like 1961, right? And we can't find anything. I mean, there were no video cameras inside or what happened to that, but what he did to do with that is he went into the prisons, right, administered in the prisons that amazing and taught soul winning and, and, he also went with youth with the mission. Have you heard of youth with the mission? Sure. Yeah. Lauren and, Cunningham.
Darlene, his wife came and stayed at our house, and, well, he my dad started traveling overseas. He went to the Bahamas and different places to teach the young people how to win souls in these different countries. That's wonderful. Okay, so let's go a little forward in time. And he he made a bad investment. Talk about that. What was that? What happened? Well, he'd always been a very prosperous and successful farmer. Right.
I mean, he had he was happy that he made his farm the best one in the county. And then he really work toward that. And so he loved farming. He loved flying. But as he got involved with all these different ministry aspects of the soul winning, he met other people and he met this person in one of these areas that was, involved in trying to decide how to say this exactly, but he had several ideas and investment. One of them sheet metal, and one of them was, a Christian thing.
And so he was asking for investments to do this, this business. And so my dad, he was always gung ho, anything new that would reach and further the kingdom of God. So he was always gung ho on that. So rather than take a little bit, he invested about everything he had. And then not only that, but he signed the mortgage and the note to the bank to borrow more money to finance this. And needless to say, it tanked and he was left with not only having lost all of this investment.
Now he's on the hook for hundreds of thousands of dollars. And this is 1962, right? That was a lot of money then. Stagger still is. But it was even still is. But he was on the hook for he could have filed bankruptcy. He could have done a lot of things. But he was always a man. And everybody that knew him knew this. You swear to your own heart and you change not this is my signature. I said, I will do it and I will spend the rest of my life paying this off. But I will do what I said I will do.
Well, needless to say, he wasn't able to get any money. I mean, he had to go borrow money to make his crops and then come the end of the year, see if he had enough to do anything else. I remember at this particular time, I don't know if you want a personal. Sure, I love it, I love it, yeah. This particular time I was young, I was in grade school and I had this red coat. It was in the winter time and I said, mama, I don't like this red coat. I want a new coat.
And I think this is when it really hit me. My mother, who's very mild mannered, you know, she zipped up my coat and she said, we can't buy you another coat. We only have enough money to buy a new toothbrush. We're about to go to the poorhouse. And she zipped my coat up and sent me out the door. I was like. I mean, I'm probably eight years old, maybe less. I'm out the door and I'm going, oh, no, because I thought I knew what the poor house was. Right?
And it was this bad looking place in England that had people that weren't right in their minds. Yeah, I thought that was the poor house. I was wrong, but I couldn't put any other interpretation on it. So the stress and the pressure, yeah, from this affected our whole family. My dad got sick. Ulcers and then he got really negative, horribly negative. Doesn't matter of that.
I remember hearing him say, it doesn't matter if I plant a cotton seed because he rides cotton, soy beans and rice and I put a cotton seed on top of a fence post, there will be a weed climb out there and choke it out. Everything I do is failing and the more he said, the worse it got. Yeah, and so we were in a pickle. A real pickle, for quite a while. So what happened
then? One day there's this little church in the town just north of England, Arkansas, and they have a men's breakfast at the Methodist church every, I don't know, Saturday or something like that. And my dad always went. It wasn't the spiritual thing, I don't think, but it was just a fellowship. Men getting together, you know, eating lots of bacon and thank God before you. Yeah, yeah.
So anyway, we went to this, this breakfast, and these two men from little Rock were there, and they were talking about faith and they were talking about the power of your words, and they were talking about this man named Kenneth Hagin. And my dad's ears just perked up because what they were saying, they talked about Mark 11:23-24 and my dad had never heard it that way before. And he sat a little taller and he listened, and he opened his ears to it.
And as soon as it was over, he went up and started talking to him. He said, would you come to my house for lunch? Called mother? I'm bringing gifts for lunch. You know, my mother, you can imagine. She's like, why do you can I don't have anything prepared. And we could have had ham sandwiches for all I know, but they came and sat down, and for hours they'd ask them questions, and they read out of the authority of the believer. They read out of right and wrong thinking.
And they left the book right and wrong thinking was my dad. And he stayed up reading that book over and over and over. I get up in the morning, he'd be reading that book and that was the answer. That's what he needed to hear. It was his thinking. It was what had come over him. This this feeling of failure and defeat had come over him, and he voiced it. And the more he voiced it, the more it enforced what was going on.
And he began to realize not only what the problem was, but what the answer was. So tell us the story. What happened? So he read more books. He ordered books from somewhere in Tulsa, Kenneth Hagin and he read them. He said, you know, this seems really right. You'll laugh about this. He is a bit of a skeptic. And he said, I don't know about this Hagan fella. I'm going to go check him out and see if he's right or not. He could be one of those, you know. Yeah.
So he flew to Shreveport, Louisiana, the New Life Tabernacle. He found out Kenneth Hagin was going to be there, and he walked in that church. And I don't know if he was light or what, but he walked in the church, and there was a woman singing that. He said he never heard the singing like that before. Singing like an angel. Her name was Vicki Jamison. Yeah. And the anointing was just throughout the place.
And then Kenneth Hagan got up and began to teach the Bible just methodically, like only Kenneth Hagan can do. Open your Bible, Mark 11:23. And he sat through that, and he knew that he had gotten the whole of something that would change his lives. And so he devoured Kenneth Hagin books. He devoured the Bible. He devoured his tapes. Hey, listen it. When he was driving down the turn row in his truck, he had something that he could read or listen to.
When he got on his tractor, he was meditating the word when he got in the deer stand, that was a big hunter. He would get his Bible and he would search and see if what Kenneth Hagan said from the Bible was really the Bible or not. Right. That's awesome. And he found out in Mark 1123 and 24 where truly in the Bible that confession was a great, huge part of faith in of changing the natural world. And he he got it, he got it. It became a revelation to him. And so let's talk about the dead.
What happened to all that dead? Well, once he got Ahold of all of this, he thought, okay, I'm going to start declaring what God said about me. So he started taking the scriptures and making them not just quoting the Scripture. My God shall supply all your need according to his riches and glory by Christ Jesus. That's just quoting a scripture. He made it personal and he said, God supplies all of my need according to his riches in glory I have abundance. There is no lack.
Psalm 23 For God supplies my needs, and he begin to confess it and declare it. And he got up, and we had the upstairs room that he'd go in and he he'd declare it and declare it. Finally he wrote it on a piece of paper. He wrote down all these things on a piece of paper that he was declaring, confessing, and he'd carry this with him everywhere he went. He confessed it 3 or 4 times a day, and finally he threw that paper down. He said, God, I feel like I'm lying. Because I don't believe it.
It's not in here, you know? It's not happening, he said. I feel like I'm lying. And he got quiet and God said, son, how could you lie? Saying what I said, oh, that's good. And that did it. Then he got a hold of it. The speaking of it was just coming into it was planning it in his heart. Right. It wasn't like doing anything out here yet. It's just going in here. And he planted the seed and he planned that seed in one day. And this is what I love.
And I'm ended up with this. Okay. One day he said, God supplies all of my need according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus, I have abundance. There is no lack. And he went. He walked in the kitchen. He said, piggy. He said, I feel like I'm rich, but my Bible doesn't show it right. And that's when faith came. Then faith the full core, he called it the full corn in the air. Yeah. Then he had the faith. And then he brought his mortgages in.
He called me and said, I want you to be a witness to what I'm doing. And he laid his hands on those. And he said, I speak to this debt, I call it paid in the name of Jesus. Dematerialized cease to exist, I call you, pay it off in full. And the name of Jesus. And he walked off, and I'm standing there going, oh, yeah, I was young, you know, 18 whatever. By that time. Oh, okay.
And was in a period of less than a year, everyone and know each one of those sheets of paper represented a loan, a mortgage, and within a year, everyone was paid, everyone was gone. And he had bought the bills. He'd bought another farm, the best one in the county with no money. Wow. What a great story. Life of Charles Capps. You can find out all of it. capps.tv. capps.tv will do it. capps.tv. I want to thank you. We're going to. We're going to keep going and, pick up the story.
But I want to as we wrap up this program, let's just pray together. Heavenly father, right now, I thank you. I can feel and I sense my Holy Spirit people are being ignited in their own situations and their own debts. Just because of the story of Charles Capps and Brother Hagin and what he saw and what he learned and how he planted that word in his life. So, father, I thank you that we come into agreement with your word over every situation, every person watching me is dealing with right now.
In Jesus name. Those debts are demolished. All of those those sicknesses healed because that's what you said in Jesus name. Amen. Thank you for being a part of Revival Radio TV. If you want to help us in this mission, it's very simple. All the information is right there on the screen. You can calls the easiest and the quickest (877) 281-6297 and be a part of what God's doing as we see not just a revival in America, but an awakening. And the awakening leads to reformation.
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