In every generation there have been revivals, massive moves of the spirit that changed the course of history. In every revival, there were believers like you who chose to answer the call to become the one in their generation. Discover your call to be the one in your generation. Welcome to Revival Radio TV. I'm Gene Bailey, and glad you're with us. We're going to pick up on where we left off last week on the life of Charles Capps with Annette Capps, his daughter.
And thank you for staying over and doing another program. We last week, we got through the place where he had learned, stuff from, brother brother Hagin and Faith, and now he's suddenly he's out of debt and life has changed. And then he got kicked out of his denomination. Yeah. Because he got so excited about what he learned that he thought, well, surely everybody in the church, everybody needs to know this. Everybody needs to know this. I'm sure it will help everybody.
But because it did not fit with the religious beliefs of our church and what our denomination taught, it caused some big problems. Especially when Methodist churches started inviting him to come speak. Oh, my. Yeah. And so it caused a big stir. So we got the left foot of fellowship. You know, you were launched into your own. We were launched out of the church that my grandma and grandpa built. When they came to England, so that they would have a full gospel church. We all got booted out.
And of course, if your son gets booted out, then the grandparents, the parents go to, right. So my grandparents got booted out. So anyway, but they were fully supportive of him. And we started, he started a church for my grandparents and like minded people to go to. But before we started the show, you you were telling me it didn't faze your dad? No, it didn't faze me either. I was about 19 at the time and it was like, man, God is doing such amazing stuff.
It's like, who cares whether they like us or not? It's like, this is the best thing I've ever gotten the whole love in my life. It's like, this is what God's doing. So we just went on. So let's talk about your you know, that the impact of what had happened with you. Talk about that your watching all this unfold. You were there when he laid out all the bills and the mortgages in the lanes that he had and loans. And then you saw that happen. What was going on with you at that time?
Well, I was watching all of this, and I was also listening to Brother Hagin and reading his books, and I really started to get it. I was resistant at first because I was a teenager. Right. Who wants to listen to their parents? Sure, sure. But God shipped me off down the Texas on a witnessing crusade because I had done missionary work and stuff like that as a teenager, so I had it shipped down on witnessing Crusade and I thought, great, I'm away from the parents.
You know, I'm going to be down here doing this thing. And this woman that I was staying with when I walked in the door with my suitcase, she said, oh, I have one requirement of anybody. It stays in my house. And I said, okay. And I'm thinking, why? What is it, you know? She said, you have to read this book. And she handed me Kenneth Hagin's book, authority of the believer, I think. And I went, oh, no, this is the book my dad told me to read. College you to Texas, follow me to Texas.
Now I'm gonna have to read it. So that night, I thought, let's get it over with. That night, I went up to my room and I started reading. As I started reading that book, it jumped off on the inside of me. The anointing came upon me and the gifts of the spirit started working. The gift of the word of knowledge and the Word of Wisdom. Wow. And God gave me a vision of where I was going the next day of the house on the street I would go to. How many would be there?
How many would be saved, and what would happen that day, and the name of the street. And and that happened just from the book. The anointing came on me. And the next day I knew exactly what would happen. I said, there's the street, there's the house there. It's not anybody in this first house because they're gone. But the second house is four teenagers, and two of them will be born again. And the girl goes, because we did it in pairs. She say, go two by two.
And our church took that specifically. So she said, what are you talking about? I said, what? And that happened exactly like I saw the second house had two, four teenagers in it and two were born again. It way. It's like, you know, there's something to this. It's just the anointing was transmitted through the pages of the book. How about that? Unleashed something in me just like it did my dad.
All right, so let's talk about the connection with your dad, your family, and obviously you with, Kenneth Copeland and Jerry Savelle and everybody there. How did that all happen? Well, we wondered if there was anybody else in the world that knew this stuff. Anybody else in the world? So one Sunday, I went over to a place called Brook Hill Ranch in Hot Springs, Arkansas, and it was sort of a youth camp, but they also had church in a big barn. I mean, really a barn, right?
I mean, not I mean a real barn. And so that's cool when you're a teenager, right? So I went and there was this young man there named Jerry Savelle, and he was preaching, and I'm listening to it, and I go, well, that's the same thing that Kenneth Hagin said. That's the same thing my dad's been telling me. So afterwards I went to told Jerry, I said, I said, you sound just like my dad. Jerry said, well, who's your dad? I said, Charles Capps. I said, I'd like for you to meet him.
So we made arrangements for Mom and Dad to come over. Might have been a month later or whatever. I don't remember to come over and meet Jerry and Carolyn. And it so happened that I guess, Kenneth and Gloria were down in Arkansas, and they came up and we all met their Brook Hill Ranch in Hot Springs, Arkansas, and all sat around the table in a barn and got to know each other. And, that's sort of how it was. While that alliance and it was an alliance of faith that was born.
Alliance of faith, I like that. So, for the people that don't know it, talk about what happened from there, the connection with the Savelles and the Copelands. What what happened? Well, dad went to hear, this Kenneth Copeland in Little Rock and went to listen to hear what he had to say. And he went, man, this is the same message. You know? And, anyway, that's how that kind of got started. And we went down, we had a meeting in Fort Worth, so we came down for that.
But the real interesting part of it was, I guess Jerry had just started going out on his own, maybe, or was getting ready to. So dad said, Jerry, why don't you come up and go and preach in our church? Now, this was before we got kicked out. Maybe Jerry's a reasonably well. Maybe now we find out. Well, boy, we know Jerry's Savelle reason. We got kicked out. So he had Jerry come up and teach in the church, and I think the pastor wouldn't even come the meetings. Wow.
And, but toward the end, he really. He got a hold of it. But anyway, that said, you know, I think we need to hold meetings together so they. I don't know if it's the first one or not, but they held the meeting in Jonesboro, Arkansas. Now, that was quite a meeting. There were so many things, divine connections that came out of that meeting in that particular place, and Jonesboro Ministries that were launched overseas. I could name people that just launched from that particular meeting
that Charles and Jerry had in Jonesboro. Wow. So anyway, it started this divine connection. Go on and then, Kenneth called dad and said, I want you to speak at the meetings. And so it of course, then there were other things to, I think, you know, dad called and said, you need to come down here and go fishing. We're catching a lot of fish. So he would come down and go fishing, and they went hunting and, you know. Yeah, a lot. So there was a lot of other stuff.
A good friendship was a lot of other stuff. But anyway, it just, dad's ministry just, you know, the from the Methodist, it went to the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship. It was big during that time, right. So they got to know Shakarian and started ministering and full gospel businessmen's. And then it just really exploded. You know, talk about the prophetic side of your dad's ministry, interestingly enough, on on that, I've gone back over the prophecies because I have copies of.
Right, probably most of them. And sometime around the end of the 70s, 78, 79 and 80, there were some words that came forth. The propheticly and as I've looked at these, I mean, they are really powerful prophecies, but it's about where God has taken the body of Christ. He also prophesied during that period of time about inventions that would take place.
Now, this was 1978. Inventions that would take place, that would reach more people at one time than have been reached in all for thousands of years. And he was trying as he was prophesying, he was trying to wrap his head around it because I can hear him struggling with this. He said it will be beyond the TV waves. It will be beyond the technology. It he was wrestling with it. He was prophesied about the internet. Yeah, about what we're doing today. That's right.
You can hear it in that prophetic word. But at the time, you didn't have a clue what it was talking about. And I can see it today. Yeah. As I'm looking at these prophecies from 40 years ago, that we didn't get it. No, we didn't know what God was talking about. And now I can see God's raising people up armies. But anyway, we get off. I'm sorry. You know, I was thinking he was. You're saying that he was still farming? Yes. He was throwing out those seeds. Yeah. Wow, that's so good.
And he never quit. He go and he minister and and speak and prophesy and pray. And then he'd go back home and drive a tractor. Yeah. Or bulldozer. He never got him out of there. Yeah, it's probably probably. I would think that keeps. You kept him grounded. Yeah, I think so. A little play on words there, but. Yeah, definitely. So how would all of this affect you. Let's let's kind of shift now. Your dad's ministry and of course being around the the Hagins, the Copelands, the Savelles.
How did that affect you as you were as you grew up in this family of faith? Well, I guess for one thing, I was so, Not words, not overwhelmed, but just amazed, right?
That God would take a farmer from England, Arkansas and do this and take a sheet of paper that he made to get himself out of debt and out of problems, and he finally folded it up and put in a little pamphlet like this and is now going around the world, millions of them that have literally changed lives just I, I was always astonished at what God had done because I knew Charles Capps almost better than anybody. Not better. My mom.
Sure. Yeah, but that God would take him and give him a revelation that could literally change people all over the world. And so I understood it because it affected me. And then I began to travel and teach, and I was not with him all the time. I was doing my own thing. I was going all over the United States and Canada teaching the same word, teaching what I'd learned and so good, so good.
So, you know, in these last 12 minutes or so, let's talk about what let's talk about current day, because your ministry, of course, you're on television here on the Victory Channel. And you continue what you learn, you continue to take it to the next generation. But, what's God speaking to you about now and this season that we're all in? But this is a different world than what Charles Capps grew up in. And, you know, even in his adult life. And things have majorly shifted in the last ten years.
Absolutely. And I have, I've said to my mom more than once, I'm glad dad's in heaven, right? I don't know what he would do if he saw what's going on today. It has changed so much.
And I think that that he and brother Copeland and all that happened back then, I think it was preparing the way, just like God was preparing him to teach with the personal evangelism, that all of the things that we have learned, it's brought us right to this period of time, which is right at the very end of this age, because there's a major shift that's taking place.
And was God's been speaking to me and through me is we can't look back for the same thing to happen, whether we're going back to the 50s and the healing revivals or, or the outpouring at the turn of the century. Now we can't go back to the 70s. Charismatic renewal. We can't go back to that. We have moved to a different time and place. And this move of the spirit that we're talking about, some call it revival. Sure. You more than once have said an awakening, and I truly believe that's what it is.
I believe it's an awakening to righteousness. And my personal belief is and we'll find out whether I'm right or wrong, my personal belief is this awakening to righteousness. And what the spirit is doing now is going to be more akin to what happened in the United States in the 1700s and the late 1600s, the awakening to righteousness, the the.
This is not a social, cultural gospel, but we're in a time and place that our loyalty, where our loyalties lie, we can't just be a nominal Christian anymore. True, we have got to be committed, dedicated. And I asked this question recently. Very recently, I said, if our Founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence could come to the end and said for this declaration that we've just made, we pledge our lives, we've pledge our fortunes and our sacred honor.
Yeah. Do Christians today have that kind of commitment to the Lord? Now wait, wait. We can talk about them having that commitment to this country of the United States of America to see it for free, which I believe in. You know, I do. Yeah, sure. And we hear that and it says something to us. Can we say that about our own walk with the Lord? Are we committed to pledge everything we have to standing for God in this hour? I think that's an hour we're living in.
I think you're right. And everything up till now. Charles Capps faith, confession, healing of Brother Copeland's teaching on covenant. It's all led us up to this point. To this very point. So I'm preaching messages that I never thought I'd preach. Like what? Like what? Well, the one on Sunday where I talked about talking about, or, the Covenant, your confidence in the covenant. And I explained that very simply.
But I went down to if there's a covenant, God has made his part good, he cannot change and he will not change. But how are you doing your part? There's two parts of marriage that's true. When you make a vow in marriage, the husband makes a vow. The wife makes a vow. When one breaks it. You've got a problem. Sure, but God has made this covenant with us, and it's strong and everlasting and eternal. How strong is our commitment in all?
If we could say even what our founding fathers said, I pledge my life. I pledge all of my fortune. And don't mean that our wealth is whatever you got, whatever you've got, and my sacred honor to you, I believe, is going to take that level of commitment for us to come through what we're going through right now. I think you're right.
And it started, I believe, really when we went through Covid was a great calling, if I can put it so bluntly, a way of, of, of those that are not there for the right reasons, not everybody, but, I mean, we, we saw churches, fall away. We saw churches go online and stay online and then eventually fall away. We saw pastors.
There seems to be and what we've seen, across America, there's the ones that speak a certain way about what you just said about our Constitution and our founding fathers, which isn't my opinion. It's what happened. What you just quoted is what they said. That's what they said. It's not up for discussion. Even though there's a lot of people out there think you're you're making up something.
And then there's those that have just said, well, we're just going to go over here or the quote that I get, we're just going to preach Jesus over here. My no, wait a minute. Because if you're going to preach Jesus, you got to talk about there's there's a lot of scripture about government in the Bible about how how governments to be set up, how government supposed to be run. What does it really mean? So I think you're on that.
You're really onto it and you're hitting it right on the head, the nail on the head here about what are we willing to conviction when I read about the, the, the framers of the Constitution and our founding fathers, there was a commitment. Yes, but the conviction was that we must do this.
You know, this is why the nation was when Robert Hunt came on the shores in 1607 and Cape Henry and drove a cross in the beachhead and said, we not only claim this nation for God, but we claim from here will go to other nations to proclaim Christ. That was a covenant. Yeah. It was on the beachhead of Virginia that said, this is what this nation is going to be. And I don't know if they realize what they were saying when Robert Hunt did that. What did you realize what he was doing?
But he was he was entering into a covenant that we we must now walk out or we've we're we're breaking a covenant. Right. And therefore, that's what we end up with. And I think do you think a lot of what let me ask you this. Do you think a lot of what we're dealing with in America today is because we've broken a covenant? And by that, I'm not saying that God's penalizing you because that that's where people have a tendency to get off base. God's not trying to beat you up.
But when we take ourselves out from under the authority and the protection because of our decisions, we open ourselves up to a lot of a lot of hurt, a lot of pain, and a lot of things that aren't good. Do you do you agree with that, or do you see it differently? Yes, I agree and I think it goes deeper than bragging. I think people don't even know what a covenant is. It's true. I agree with that. I read in that message I said I never thought I'd preach right. I read the vows from above.
When you marry, you get married. And it says, and I know we took some of this out, you know, I pledge the mantra of whatever in sickness and in health, poverty and wealth, till death do us part in the sight of Almighty God. And before these witnesses I give my oath in my pledge. That's how you got married and then I read one of the vows, and it was for as long as we live together, I do promise to work on giving you the best self that I can be, and help you work on yourself.
You know, that was the. Oh, there's an oath or a vow. That's. I could say that to my friend. Yeah. That is not a covenant. No, it's not. So people don't they don't even know what a covenant is with anything. Whether it's marriage, whether it's serving in the military. You know, the thought never occurs. So they don't understand the power of the oath in their word, of their commitment to something. I just throw this in. I read something from Billy Graham before he passed in. He said, we have.
Coddled people until people don't know that there are things that God hates. We have coddled churches, have coddled people and go, well that's okay. You know, we understand why he said sin is sin right. And God hates and God hates the shedding of innocent blood. God hates these things. There's seven things it says that God hates. And we've coddled people. And so when they come and they they come to to Jesus, it's more like they're joining a cultural club.
Instead of saying, I now enter into this covenant and I make Jesus my master and I pledge my loyalty to him. Billy Graham used to say, I call you to make a decision for Christ, right? And people make a decision based on how long I'm going to live with you or how long, how long I want to come up and do that. So I get a nice Bible and and it's it's not a decision and a loyalty and an oath to the Lord Jesus Christ who gave his life to you. It's it's something else.
And it's not what it's supposed to be. You grew up like I did. Your word was your bond. Yeah. And I remember, the first car loan I got. My dad went with me to the bank, and he the the banker we had, he knew who my dad was. And, on a handshake, I got the loan. And when we got home, it was impressed upon me the the value of that and what that really meant. And you will make those payments on time, and you will do this and you will do that because I gave my word.
Yeah. And there was no he wasn't a cosigner then. I'm not talking about Cosigning. He gave his word to the banker and that was enough. That's right. It was a simpler time now, obviously. And I know times are different, but that's. I think you're right. I think we've lost what a covenant really means. And, and and the conviction that goes with that to do the right thing and we have a nation of covenant people. All right. So pray for the people before we go.
We're we're out of time. But I want you to pray for everyone, about this, I and I just let the Lord lead. I don't know what you're supposed to pray for, but I believe are. Father God, I call today for a renewal of the spirit and for an awakening to righteousness, even for those who are born again. Lord, I ask that our eyes be open so that we can understand where we are in this period of time, this specific period of time that is of utmost importance.
Lord, I pray right now that your spirit will touch the hearts and minds of people that are listening to this program, and that you will engage them in their spirit and reach down from within them and pull up the boldness to stand strong in your word, to stand against the enemy and stand for something not just to be against something, but to be for something. And so I pray, Holy Spirit, what you're doing right now in the earth, what you're doing right now at this period of time.
Lord, I ask that you let it spread. Let it spread through the power of the Holy Spirit, through time and space and effect, and bring about the magnificent body of Christ that is called to stand in this era and time. And I ask it in Jesus name. Amen. Thank you for coming to being on the program I spent. It's been rich in some best way I can say it's been rich. And thank you for watching. Listen, I want to encourage you to go to our website, RevivalRadioTV.com.
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