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Revenue Builders

Force Managementwww.forcemanagement.com
Welcome to the Revenue Builders podcast, a weekly show featuring B2B sales leaders and executives. Hosted by Five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management’s Co-Founder John Kaplan, the show goes in the barrel, behind the scenes with the people who have been there, done that and seen the results. Revenue Builders covers the best practices for scaling and growing your business, while sharing the pitfalls to avoid. Great conversation. Solid interviews. Tangible takeaways to help you succeed. If you enjoy our content, please subscribe, rate and review the show to help us reach more people. This show is brought to you by: Force Management where we help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale. Check out forcemanagement.com more information.
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Episodes

Thank You to our Listeners!

Thank you for being part of the Revenue Builders community! We’re grateful for your support and feedback, which helps us deliver the content you love. If you enjoy the show, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review—it truly makes a difference. Here’s to finishing the year strong! Enjoying the podcast? Sign up to receive new episodes straight to your inbox: https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0 Check out John McMahon’s book here: Amazon Link: https://a.co/d/1K7DDC4 Check out Force Management’s Ascender pl...

Nov 28, 20243 min

What Makes Your Reps Successful

In this short segment of the Revenue Builders Podcast, Battery Ventures Operating Partner, Bill Binch, talks with Revenue Builders on getting specific on what makes your reps successful and the importance of understanding that success profile as a CRO. If you are hiring in 2025, don’t miss this segment. KEY TAKEAWAYS [00:00:27] - Introduction to Bill Binch's career highlights (Battery Ventures, Pendo, Marketo). [00:01:11] - The importance of having a clear and compelling personal and company val...

Nov 24, 20246 min

Balancing Technical Expertise and Sales Strategy with Keith Textor

In this episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, hosts John McMahon and John Kaplan discuss the critical intersection of sales and technical resources with seasoned IT and engineering professional Keith Textor. They explore the nuances of role delineation between sales and technical teams, the importance of a well-defined sales process, and strategies for shaping customer objectives and managing expectations. The conversation dives into the art of leveraging technical expertise to drive business...

Nov 21, 20241 hr 16 min

What Customer Success Activities Drive the Output Metrics with Sasha Anderson

In this short segment of the Revenue Builders Podcast, Sasha Anderson, Global Head of Customer Success at Canva, shares her insights on crafting a scalable customer success strategy, emphasizing the importance of input metrics over output metrics. She discusses how defining clear roles, responsibilities, and competencies within customer success teams can lead to better performance management and improved outcomes like net dollar retention (NDR). Whether you're a leader building a CS team or refi...

Nov 17, 20248 min

On Being a Leader with George Conrades

George Conrades, the Former CEO of Akamai Technologies and Current member of Oracle’s Board of Directors joins John Kaplan and John McMahon for a conversation on leadership. Conrades is the author of ‘On Being a Leader’ where he shares how to inspire and guide others toward a common purpose. He’s mentored countless leaders at all levels and across diverse industries, experiences and backgrounds. He shares his experience in this candid conversation. ADDITIONAL RESOURCES Connect and learn more abo...

Nov 14, 20241 hr 11 min

Coaching Your Team to Success with Brian White

In this short segment of the Revenue Builders Podcast, Brian White shares his perspectives on team motivation and leadership. Brian White, the running backs coach at Bowling Green State University, discusses the invaluable lessons learned from losses, the importance of the human touch in coaching, and the significance of building accountability and selflessness within teams. He elaborates on his coaching philosophy, which includes connecting deeply with players, understanding their backgrounds, ...

Nov 10, 202411 min

Getting Customer Success Right

In this episode, we bring you snippets of several conversations that focused on Customer Success. Listen as John Kaplan and John McMahon talk with Sasha Anderson, the Global Head of Customer Success at Canva, Dan Barrett the Executive VP of Customers at MongoDB and Allison Pickens Co-Author of the Customer Success Economy. [00:00:13] Sasha Anderson on Customer Success and Consumption Pricing [00:06:30] Dan Barrett on Customer Expectations and Value Demonstration [00:16:35] The Importance of Cust...

Nov 07, 202423 min

Debriefing Our Most Popular Episodes

In this episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk through their key takeaways from the most popular episodes in our Revenue Builders Archive. We compiled our top five shows based on listener data - tune in as our hosts talk through the following conversations and lessons learned: [00:03:03] The Difference Between Managing and Leading with Jeremy Duggan, President and Board Member at Multiverse. [00:09:27] Sales Best Practices with Mark Wendling, VP of WW Data Cloud Sales at Snowflake. [00:12:54...

Oct 31, 202429 min

AI Disruption: Thinking Outside-In

In this short segment of the Revenue Builders Podcast, Mark Roberge shares some thoughts on AI and how to think about using it to innovate business, rather than automating isolated tasks. It’s part of a larger episode with John Kaplan and John McMahon. KEY TAKEAWAYS [00:00:25] How AI Disrupts Legacy Thinking: Relying on established systems and resources will lead to failure; companies must rethink from scratch. [00:01:41] Big Companies Resist Disruption: Internal power dynamics often prevent lar...

Oct 27, 20247 min

Sales Management: Key Responsibilities that Will Make or Break Success

In this episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk through each stage of sales management and the important responsibilities that must be mastered at each role. From first-line manager to second-line to VP of Sales and all the way up to the CRO, they tackle the key responsibilities at each role and the key factors that go into coaching and developing their teams at every stage. It’s a great discussion on how these leadership roles intertwine with the ultimate goal of building a system for revenu...

Oct 24, 20241 hr 14 min

Cutting Through the Noise: Understanding AI Through History and Practical Application

In this episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon are joined by Devavrat Shah, CEO and co-founder of Ikigai Labs and MIT professor, to demystify the rapidly evolving landscape of artificial intelligence. The conversation spans a wide array of crucial AI topics including the history and applications of AI, causal inference, explainability, and the integration of AI into sales and forecasting processes. Key highlights include the role of AI in consumption pricing, business model transformations, and j...

Oct 17, 20241 hr 5 min

Demonstrating Opportunity with Your SKO

The best sales kickoffs are planned in a way that aligns with the company’s strategic goals and sets your revenue teams up to execute successfully. In this segment, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk through the importance of demonstrating the opportunity your company is providing your revenue teams and why committing their time to your organization is going to be worth it. Force Management’s Sales Kickoff Resources: Five must-dos for leaders on SKO planning: https://hubs.li/Q02SpNpS0 Ultimate Sa...

Oct 13, 20248 min

Mastering Negotiation in B2B Sales with Keno Helmi

In this episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon are joined by return guest Keno Helmi, a seasoned five-time CRO, to delve into the nuances of negotiation in B2B sales. Keno offers insights into effectively managing price perception and ensuring the customer's focus remains on the value of the solution, rather than cost. With a focus on crafting an impactful ROI and leveraging business cases, Keno highlights the importance of negotiation as a competency requiring strategic planning and training. Tu...

Oct 10, 20241 hr 5 min

The Manager Curse: Being a Super Rep with Tammy Sexton

In this curated episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, John McMahon and John Kaplan are joined by sales veteran Tammy Sexton, currently CRO at Aerospike, discussing the crucial transition from being an account executive to a first-line manager. Tammy emphasizes the common pitfall of new managers acting as 'super reps' by trying to sell in their style rather than coaching their teams. She shares insights on empowering sales reps, recognizing individual strengths, and fostering lasting behaviora...

Oct 06, 20246 min

A Revenue Builder’s Journey: From Seller to Leader to Operating Partner

In this episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon are joined by Bill Binch, a seasoned sales leader and Operating Partner at Battery Ventures. Together, they explore Bill's extensive career, beginning at major companies like Oracle and PeopleSoft, moving to startups such as Marketo, and eventually stepping into the VC world. Bill shares key lessons on effective sales management, transparent leadership, and strategic hiring. He also emphasizes the importance of consistent messaging, proactive problem...

Oct 04, 20241 hr 33 min

Understanding Your People with Hollie Castro

In this curated episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, John McMahon and John Kaplan are joined by Hollie Castro, a seasoned Chief People Officer and business transformation expert. Hollie delves into the importance of fostering deeper, more meaningful connections with team members to enhance leadership effectiveness. By understanding your people’s strengths, motivations, and cultural backgrounds, leaders can create more cohesive and innovative teams. Hollie shares her own experiences, emphasiz...

Sep 29, 202411 min

Optimizing a Customer Success Team

In this episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon are joined by Sasha Anderson, Global Head of Customer Success at Canva and customer success management (CSM) expert to explore the evolving role of CSMs in sales organizations. The discussion covers whether CSMs should be more commercially focused or technical, based on product complexity and pricing models. Sasha emphasizes the importance of driving customer value and usage, especially in consumption-based models where revenue is tied to product usa...

Sep 26, 202457 min

Aligning on Metrics with Your Customer

This short segment comes from our recent episode on Reasons Deals Don’t Close with Force Management’s Anne Gary. Today’s conversation focuses specifically on metrics - how to align them to your buyer and why reps often struggle with getting this critical information from the customer. Be sure to check out the full episode with Anne here: https://revenue-builders.simplecast.com/episodes/key-reasons-deals-dont-close Don’t miss Force Management’s webinar on Building Consensus with Metrics. It’s gea...

Sep 22, 20248 min

What the Best Sales Kickoffs Do

If you’re beginning to plan next year’s sales kickoff, this episode is a must-listen. John Kaplan and John McMahon talk about what the best SKOs do and how to structure the event so it’s meaningful, motivating, and focused on execution. Force Management has a list of free resources to help you align your SKO to your growth strategy. Check them out here: https://hubs.li/Q02Qr2B80 Also check out the podcast on building alignment with partners featuring Mongo DB’s Alan Chhabra: https://hubs.li/Q02Q...

Sep 19, 20241 hr 1 min

Engaging the 100lb Brains

In this episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast , John McMahon and John Kaplan dive deep into the mechanics of closing high-stakes deals with industry experts Carl Froggatt and Joe Lynch. Drawing from their experience at Deep Instinct and Citibank, Carl and Joe discuss how leveraging expert knowledge—what Kaplan calls the "100-pound brains"—is crucial for aligning stakeholders, solving business problems, and ensuring successful deal outcomes. Learn how to strategically engage these experts early...

Sep 15, 20247 min

Interviewing for Your Next Role

In this episode, John McMahon and John Kaplan dive deep into the essential elements of navigating job transitions from the perspective of a candidate. They discuss how to sharpen your focus, effectively network, and manage your energy to ensure success when hunting for your next sales or leadership role. With practical insights from industry leaders, this episode provides listeners with actionable advice on how to align personal energy with career goals, tackle interviews, and differentiate betw...

Sep 12, 202415 min

A Message from John Kaplan

Thank you for listening to Revenue Builders. Listen to this brief message from John Kaplan. Don’t miss Force Management’s upcoming webinar: Your SKO: Common Mistakes You Can’t Afford to Make. They’ll talk about how to get beyond the “event’ and use it to focus on year-long execution. Sign up here: https://tinyurl.com/ndma6es7 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been t...

Sep 08, 20242 min

Harnessing the Power of Coaching with Brian White

In this episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon dive into the intricacies of leadership, coaching, and team dynamics with Brian White, the Running Backs Coach at Bowling Green. They explore the parallels between sports and sales leadership, emphasizing the importance of will, skill, and creating a team-oriented atmosphere. White shares insights from his illustrious career, including his coaching philosophy, the importance of building intimate relationships with players, and balancing individual an...

Sep 05, 202452 min

Rebuilding a Team with Scot Loeffler

In this episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast , John McMahon and John Kaplan are joined by Scot Loeffler, head football coach at Bowling Green State University and a former quarterback coach for Tom Brady at Michigan. The discussion centers on the challenges and strategies of rebuilding a football team, including the importance of hiring experienced staff and aligning them with a shared vision. Loeffler emphasizes focusing on the majority who contribute positively rather than the minority who ...

Sep 01, 20247 min

Key Reasons Deals Don't Close

In this episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon dive deep into the intricacies of why B2B sales deals often don't close successfully. Special guest Anne Gary joins the discussion for the third time to offer insights into the common pitfalls in the sales process, from poor discovery and scoping to failed champion development and suboptimal engagement with economic buyers. They provide actionable advice on how to slow down and properly align your sales strategy with the customer's pain points, metri...

Aug 29, 20241 hr 13 min

Building Trust with Mark Banfield

In this curated episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, John McMahon and John Kaplan are joined by Mark Banfield, CEO of 1E, to discuss the importance of building trust in sales. The conversation delves into how integrity, emotional intelligence, and a deep understanding of the customer’s needs are critical in establishing trust. They also explore how elite sellers differentiate themselves by turning technical capabilities into business outcomes and guiding champions within an organization. Whe...

Aug 25, 20246 min

Innovation, Growth and Failure

In this episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon are joined by Mark Roberge, former CRO of HubSpot and co-founder of Stage 2 Capital. They dive deep into Clayton Christensen’s book, 'The Innovator's Dilemma,' exploring why well-managed companies fail despite their best efforts to innovate. The discussion covers historical and present examples of disruptive vs. sustaining technologies, with a focus on how companies can adapt in the rapidly changing tech landscape, especially with the emergence of AI...

Aug 22, 202457 min

AI and Sales Productivity with James Underhill

In this curated episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, John McMahon and John Kaplan dive into the transformative potential of AI in sales with insights from James Underhill, Senior Director for Sales Innovation at MongoDB. The discussion covers how AI can enhance sales productivity across the funnel, from territory management to post-sale processes. James shares his experiences and strategies for using AI to help sales reps focus on what truly matters—building strong relationships and driving ...

Aug 18, 20248 min

Leadership and Mentorship with Jake Zweig

In this episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon welcome Jake Zweig, a former Navy SEAL, college football coach, and leadership development expert. Jake shares his inspiring journey from his formative years in Washington State to his achievements at the U.S. Naval Academy and beyond. The discussion covers his unyielding drive to win, lessons in leadership, and the significance of mentorship. Jake also explains his approach to identifying and developing leaders, which involves a deep understanding o...

Aug 15, 20241 hr 8 min

Champions, Power and Influence

In this curated episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast , John McMahon and John Kaplan discuss the pivotal role of champions in accelerating sales performance. John McMahon explains the necessity of earning trust, educating, and developing champions to effectively sell on your behalf. He emphasizes the importance of differentiating your product and preparing champions to handle objections in competitive scenarios. Additionally, the discussion highlights the distinctions between 'coaches' and 'ch...

Aug 11, 20247 min
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