S2E8 - Love Is A Devil

Something really cool. I was at a convention last weekend for um it was a supernatural convention, but for you know, the Walker Connected verse, and so many people were coming up to me and talk to me about this podcast and how much they love it, and and people who hadn't seen Shadow Hunters were like, oh, hey, cool, I'm gonna go listen to the podcast and watch the show. And people were talking amongst themselves about it instead of

asking me questions about it. And it's so cool because this is really taken on a life of its own now, and so kudos to you and are incredible producers and team for for making this such a great one. That's great, that's great to hear him. We're Looking into Today, Episode eight,

Season two, Love Is a Devil. Air date was February seventeen, written by White Sharene Razak, directed by Katriona mackenzie, starring Kathery mcmare, Dominic Showed, Albert Zende, Matthew m R. B Isaiam and Staffa and Harry Sham Jr. Guest starring Adam Vans Brangerlee, Wayne Right, Ariana Williams, David Castro, Nicola Corrales, Mandolin. That's not her name, she knows that. Jack Holton, Stephanie Belding, Erica Deutschman, Sure don't there you go? And Raymond and

Black very good. What's going to remember this episode? So I sort of remember this episode. I reread the log line and then I was like, tensions run high. Max's ruin ceremony brings everyone's fears to the forefront. Task With arranging his brother Max's ruin ceremony, Alec decided this would be the perfect opportunity for his family to get to know Madness. But with tensions flying among the different shadow hunters, Max's big event quickly becomes an evening where they all

must face their biggest fears. Meanwhile, Simon makes a bold move as Isabelle finds an unlikely new ally who this episode, Yeah, this episode, This is one of those episodes which we'll talk about later where they're all they're they're fun episodes, but simultaneously they're always chaos because you have so many cast members in everyone and uh, this one was in a particularly small space, but I made it bigger for

season two. Honestly, Like, imagine filming it in season one, Magnus's apartment would have been a nightmare, Like at least this one happened more than one room. Yeah, but I will say some of my favorite memories and some of our silliest moments come from this episode as well. So not without fun, not without fun. Yeah, but we start on a slightly darker note in the alleyway with Emerald. Emerald Isabelle trying to get her latest fix because she's still addicted to the infin for a while. I've said

this before and I'll say it again. This is hands down my favorite performance of Emeralds. Like, she does such a good job in all of this. Yeah, this whole like section and she's great, you know throughout, but this whole section here is is fantastic, absolutely well and There's a lot that goes on. There's so much drama happening with the in Fin and then the Magnus and a relationship is starting to move forward. But also the Clary j Simon love triangle takes an interesting turn in this

episode as well. So we um, there's much to be discussed, much to be discussed, and lots of cats, many many fucking cats. Man. Honestly, like Roger, I think was this pretty getting Raja or post getting Rajer? I can't remember. I'm remember this little sucking ginger cat that just wouldn't bathe and I had like treats stuff in the no not you know, an actual cat like feline. U. They just wouldn't bete and I had like treats stuffed in the cushions and it wouldn't do as it's told. And

they were like, let's bring out a different cat. And I'm like, I don't think that's gonna It was a nightmare. Honestly, it was a nightmare. Um yeah, but very cute all the same. Absolutely. Oh that's who Eloise is. So this episode starts with Isabelle in Vampire Alley as it were, I don't know where it is. It's an alley behind the door or somewhere some defarious place where she trying to find you in fen and who comes to rescue her and sweep her off her feet, but the ever

suave David Castro, Yeah, no kidding, but then does bite her. Yeah. But Ralphael became one of my favorite characters, and so much of it had to do with the heart that

David put behind it. But you know, he's a character that could have so easily been painted one dimensionally, and yet between what the writers did and the way that David took so much care with it, he brought it to life in a way that made this really sort of darkly conflicted person who who just wanted to do the right thing but was never, if ever given the opportunity to rarely have ever given the opportunity to do so.

And it's such an interesting thing in our world. Have a vampire who's started as a villain, who's trying to be a hero but doesn't have a chance to. Yeah, I agree. I agree Again, David's performances throughout this they do such a fantastic job in bringing us into it. Like you said, a character that could be very easily disliked um, this next scene is fun. You remember Isaiah

was trying to take the doors off the hinges. Oh yeah, wait did you Oh they cut just before because I remember also for those who don't know, in the books, Jas is scared of ducks. They got around it, and they cut around it. There's there's a bunch of cooked ducks hanging in the Jade Wolf and you so subtly but pointedly jumped every time you saw them. I wonder if I wonder if the editors were sitting there in the booth going what is Tom doing? Did he like

like you didn't get the reference? Maybe I don't know. I still have that jacket though, interestingly, you know, I remember being upset that they cut it out because it was I have that jacket. It was a nice little like not buddy, I know, but I'm working. Oh we got a new chair here, which is very exciting. It's a very comfortable recliner. But Dan has very much claimed it as his own. And this is the first time we're doing the podcast since having had this chair, and

he's he's feeling a tad neady. I might have to do this sideways because he's special guest Dan Hi bub So Valentine has clear this, yes, and we're not by her own doing because she was a freaking circle member who knew right right, I mean everyone for hundreds of years, well except for us, because the adults don't tell us anything because that would be too simple. M hm oh.

And this is right after we've seen it thur real and he showed us the vision of the future with the sword and everything correct and burnt face man and burned face. I don't we see a demon, but I don't think it's burnt lasagn you guy. Yet it doesn't. It's not so many cruel nicknames for that guy, considering how long they had to stay in here and makeup for. But that's a conversation for a later episode. Mm hmm.

And then cut to Alec, who is actually doing his job and investigating and saying there's an angel he's trying to figure it's out, and a little sibling discussion, what are they actually blad blady, Bladi blad Get to the good stuff, guys. Honestly, all of this dialogue we want to throw Max and ruined ceremony because he doesn't have his runs yet. Jack is so baby, he is God. Do you remember when he came back and he'd scared

the ship out of me. Actually, like we're in the makeup trailer and he's heard this voice that was like deeper than mind, like like who the fund is that? I turned around. It's like six ft tall Jack, And I was like, I don't know how we're gonna make this work because it's been like two weeks. But there you go, look at him, sure, teeny little thing are you trying to get by? Is that the issue? He is nudging me with his head? Such cute not look

how handsome Matters had a boy? That a boy. I think this is finally two when we all started to to settle into our character. Looks like you look at everybody and you know, I mean, obviously they're doing things with Isabelle right now as well, given her circumstance. But Matt's hair is finally the way that it always was, and and Nicola's wardrobe and hair, everything's kind of getting to be more cohesive and falling into a nice rhythm. Yeah,

it sort of stopped changing from this point out. Uh, yeah, I think so for the most part. For the most part. Yeah, Well, then we introduced Luke and needs his hair comes back and forth all the time. It's nuts. Although we'll say the number of you can definitely tell this that our show started shooting because the number of choker necklaces that Emad and I were throughout the series that just are

not a thing anymore. I didn't know there. If I'm honest, I thought that was a very early two thousands deal, like sort of stopped happening in two thousand five. But did I've never worn one? So who am I to judge? Fashion is subjective and somewhat circular. No, like stuff that was in the fifties is now very fashionable. Actually have a suit from a Hugo Boss event upstairs, It was

like dropped straight out of the fifties. Is awesome. That's amazing. Okay, So Magnus and Aleck have a conversation where it's it's so great again. Malick is the healthiest relationship on our show. Alec has an opportunity and he goes, you know what, I've got a family event. I'm going to bring my partner into it, and I'm gonna I'm gonna try and make him part of the family, even if it's difficult, but because I know he can pull it off. And I know he can, you know, do it better than

I can. And it's a it's well, I mean, if you're going to ask someone to throw a party, I would not ask Alec. I'm just saying, oh, not Matt, not true party, Mat can throw a party. Yeah, all right, Now we've got Valentine talkeet irist little Madzie. Oh yeah, this park. I don't remember this park. I'm not in this scene. I don't know if you've noticed, Allen and I look very similar. But that's not that's not me. Just so you're for you and that's not me either.

But no, I knew that because I pay attention to it. Yeah, we come back to this park next episode, if you if you recall, oh is this one we had to take the jacket with the with this whole next episode? Yeah, because I because there's stuff that happens with this this warlock lady here that comes back to bite me literally that bitch. Oh fuck, yeah I remember? Um oh now yeah, I'm all caught up. I'm all caught up. You know, for a dad, Valentine really uses children as manipulation quite

a lot. Tools Yeah, but then that sort of prefaces the whole conversation of it is that why he had kids in the first place, was to which was his intention, right, was to develop two warriors of either side of a coin. That's what he wanted. Didn't want children, he wasn't paternal. He wanted soldiers. Yeah, bonus and then he got you know, bonus, jase in you Okay this scene, So now we have um clary and Simon on a beautiful New York vista

that some might recognize having a conversation. This scene is not the first time we had shot this scene, so Alberta and I shot this scene on a green screen first because we were still experimenting with the sixty degree green and blue screen and they were figuring out how they were going to drop in these plates of New York. So, as we'll come to see, this is kind of a very important scene for this whole arc of the entire show.

You can tell it's important when when Simon's involved, because it starts with a sort of fairly self deprecating soliloquy just to himself. He's always very sha experienced this one, but we had to completely and we were so happy with it. They really took the time and let us play and surprise each other and try a bunch of things and and we were so happy, and then we had to completely reshoot it. They described the scene entirely because there was some issue with the VFX and we

had to completely reshoot it. But it was one of those things. And I've Albert and I had a lot of conversations about this after the fact, but because we'd done it and then had time, there have been things that have been marinating kind of in both of our heads. So when we come back to it, there were actually, yeah, there were more layers to the scene. You can tell you're outside in this one. You know what it is, you're the tip of your nose and your cheeks go Rosie.

It's it's a very attractive look, but like it's for me. I'm aware of the difference between this she's inside, she's outside, and Alberto's eyes water a little. My ears go, which is really bad. My ears go right. Thing, So if you like, next time you're watching the show, like if we if we asked the question again, you know, was that on a set or not, You'll be able to tell because my ears like fucking traffic light. Yeah, well, this was still on a screen. But it was much later,

so it was it was still inside a bit colder. Yeah, it was still inside because we happually do it on blue instead of green for like the greener or something. And that Hastings actually directed this on FaceTime. Well he while his wife was having a baby, right, I remember that whole day. I wonder. It's so interesting. So for those who don't know, normally the process is green. It's a very sort of bright green. It's a bit like

the background of your text bubble on your iPhone. It's that sort of color green, that sort of green screen looks like. And it's because it's one of the least used colors in TV. It's very rare that you'll match those colors because if you have that color, let's say, in your costume or whatever, then that will also be edited out by the camera, so it will look like just empty space when it's on the screen, and in

the blue screen is the opposite. If you do have those colors in, then the blue is also not used as often they put the blue screen in. It actually used to be blue screen predominantly back in the day, like ten fifteen years ago. It was almost exclusively blue green, and then you know, people started wearing bluemore. I guess Saturday. But it's interesting that you have to come back and do it on a blue screen. I wonder why, because you're not wearing green, but he is wearing blue. Yeah.

I think it had something to do with bushes that they had put some bushes and they were they couldn't they were, they were flaring on the thing. There you go, There you go, little mind, nute VFX lesson for you. That's basically all I know about it is just that.

But once again, it's one of those scenes that this is the beauty of getting to do a show for so many years is these characters live a life of their own and they have so many experiences that the relationships evolved so much, and you evolve in your working relationship with people that you get to work with over and over again. So when you and and of course you know when you you're opposite Alberto, it's just absolutely

and it's so satisfying. It's like the scene at Lake Lynn or you know, when you watch Harry and Matt doo a scene you can tell that there's that kind of history there. Yeah, he developed a report. You know, there's what are we on now? We're on episode eight of season two, So we've been doing this for two years because we took that six month break where we saw each other pretty much constantly, all of us because

we were doing press for the show. Um So season one took about six months, and then season two took eleven months, and season three took eleven months. But between these two, like where we're at, it was, we would have been working together foremost a year. Indeed, and ship did you guys just make out what they see? We've only been brother and sister for like two episodes or four or nine episodes or whatever it is, but that's like four days in shadow on time. Simon, you back

up now, he made a move. It was nice. If you're standing on a beautiful a beautiful dark and on Burdo makes a beautiful speech at you. Are you not going to kiss him? I would kiss him for less than that. If I'm honest, I would kiss him, like if he gives me the opportunity, it's going to happen. That's the real truth that I know. I love that guy. Sorry, Tessa, you're listening. I apologize, I promise I will restrain. It's true. That's true. Oh that's right. This is when Nicola, when

Marris was running the institute. Yeah, oh that's right. Wait where did all the tree go? He's busy with the infan business. I think code TV code for Nick got another job and had to go and do that for a little bit. That's funny. They do enough guest stars this episode. They you can go do something else. Yet he undresent books another job and had to go and do it. This is the thing. So there are two different versions of roles, or three different versions of roles

within a within a show or a movie. That's um, a series regular, Cat myself, Alberto, Matt, those guys series regular sort of your core, your core sort of characters. And then you have guest stars who come in like Mariss, who very important to the story and will come in and then and then you know, do their things. They always have arcs and linked into the story in some way. And then what's it called when someone comes in and

just does like an episode occurring? Yeah, well there's recurring recurring. That's where recurring guest star. Um, I'm gonna go back just a little bit. The timing is gonna be wrong, but we're in a conversation with with Alec and Maris in the head of the institute's office. And I think someone walks past a light behind the window. Yeah, because there's a big old shadow that walks through the stained

glass window. And we know that the light isn't coming from inside the room, it's coming from outside that window. I think someone goes by it. It's right as she's so, he says, let's see here. She's about to cry. She's upset. She says, you're right. He says, oh no. She says, of course we'll be there. Thank you for going through all this trouble for us. And then she sits down and right, it's matt shadow. There's no light coming from inside the room. There shouldn't be any light coming from

inside the room, not strong enough light. Oh it does look like it moves with her. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows. It's possible it's ghosts. I'm amazed that that studio wasn't haunted, honestly, wasn't it. Though There's some weird ship happened every now and then. But like, yeah, I mean, do you remember when wardrobe was in kind of the front of the office, sort of right when you came in and they were

they were positive there was a ghost. There was a woman like a woman, right, yeah, yeah, I do remember exactly as I think. I don't think we were alone there. I just I love of the way Matt can just mic drop online before he leaves a scene as well and over and he just goes, thank Magnus and then leaves. And a boy, some real prowess there. Oh, here are the cats. I forgot Jason's living at magnus Is right now. Yeah, I'm still living at Magnus's. Yeah, this is They cut

it out, no fucking way. This was one of my favorite they cut so they cut out. And we talked about this with Harry when we had him on the show briefly. These little, these little like idiosyncrasies that make him so genius and make him able to take on

a character as poignant as Magnus. He that little room, do you remember We're on the rooftop and the rooftops are set and then that little room, the sort of stairwell was about four ft wide and we all had to cram into it, and it looks like it goes downstairs, but it doesn't go anywhere. It's just it's like a shed and he leans his head out before the scene goes, and he goes, hey, is it is it nighttime or daytime? And they go it's daytime. It's like in the morning.

He goes, okay, great, and he shuts the door, and then as he opens the door, he just for half half a second shields his eyes from the light, like he hasn't seen the light yet. Today. I was like, a fucking brilliant, like absolutely fucking brilliant. What a clever thing to do that makes total sense. Um, and they cut it out of the show. I'm a shame. I love Harry so much. It seems a wasted opportunity. But yeah, these are these moments that you get to have with

actors like Alberto and Harry. I mean everyone really, but Alberto and Harry, in my opinion, have the most examples of these moments where they really connected with these characters on such a small level, where it makes such a huge difference performance wise that I always thought that was very special. Absolutely, I forgot what happened in this scene. I remember you guys are talking about the paramedic connection and how much Jason knows about conversation with the showrunners

and talking about like how much do I feel? Like? How much of this am I aware of? Like? Do I know? Is that what I know? No? No, no, no, no, no no no, I said, I don't know. It was one of those questions that was never I think it was sort of don't ask, we won't tell, and don't worry about it. Don't pull the thread, got it. That's the funny thing with so many of these supernatural kind of mythologies. It's you get to a point and you just go, you know what, there's too many questions, too

many questions, the baseline stuff. Yeah, if he's in pain, I feel it. Maybe if it's pleasure, I don't feel it. Let's just stick with that, yeah, because that would be fucking weird. Also, he runs in on me having sex. It's like two episodes ago, he runs in on me having sex. So if that was the case, wouldn't never be aware? You could at least knock. But would he care at that point? I don't know. Probably not, Probably not. If there's If there's, if it's Alec and there's a

job to be done, he's going to plow in. Oh look how handsome he looks. You both look great. You like semi matching as well. That's fucking cute. That's cute as hell. You like color scheme together, cute couple of stuff. This.

So this is one of those scenes where it can be very as we mentioned earlier, it can be very fun and very silly making, but also, let's let's say stressful for the quote unquote grown ups on set, because you have you know, I think we had fifty or a hundred essays and probably twenty cast in a very small space and not a lot of time to do it.

And we spent I think two or three full days getting all of these little pieces and moments and connective tissues, and you know, with with the magic that's happening here, it's all about different perceptions of reality and different warped realities, and so just keeping track of the little pieces of whose perspective are we in? Am I in my perspective or someone else's because that changes how you behave towards other people in the scenes, even if you're in the

deep background. And it it took a lot of effort on everyone's part to stay on the same page. And it was which which when we get to another scene later, is what led to the delirium. But it was definitely work was It was tricky honestly, So this is even this is like pre the chaos really starting to happen. Yeah, but it is a realized sculpture. They realized sculpture. So we're on the clock as well. Fucking melting, melting, did you see it? What a mental thing to put in

the show. Looks fantastic mental idea. How much harder would it have been? I guess it must have been much more expensive to make, like a silicon one? Probably? Oh is that? Do we see some sparks flying between Jason Maya just for a second bit of reconciliation, little reconciliation, maybe a few very brief sparks. I don't think that happens for quite some time, And it only happens for the briefest of moments. I think it might be sooner than you think. Really, is that true? I think so? Well?

This is okay, this scene in particular with the three of us with you mean Alberto. I remember for some reason we couldn't be my fault. It was my fault. Yeah, thet it was the first taken. It's in the it's in the gag reel. If you are the blopers if you look it up. The first take. I just wasn't expecting his response, and he's such fucking genius with his with his comedy. He I came in and I said, hey, you know, we're all a little piste off about the situation.

Nobody wants to do it, but I'm gonna come and say hi. And he goes he liked the fonds. He went like a and I was like, oh no, that's really fucking funny. And it made me laugh and once and then you know, as we've talked about a thousand times now, once one person's gone, it's really difficult to get It's actually a little easier I think, one on one,

because then you get it together, then you're good. But with three of you, it's thirty three point three times infinite percent that someone's going to give you something that got that sets you off and you're already sort of on that knife page. But they cut it together, it looks looks solid, does look like we're laughing, and it's this is one of those episodes to where I'm just watching kind of the all the dynamics, everybody's insecurities get just a little picked up, just get a little peaked.

Everything is just slightly heightened, even relationship. Yeah, Magnus is insecurities all, like two and a half of them are because what does he have to be insecure about? That's not true. He's got a bunch of things to be and panadas apparently he's just adorably fussing over and panadas and it's fantastic. Well, this is That's all an insecurity to do with Alec though, isn't it like he knows the empanadas are perfect, it's not as cooking, It's true.

Look at Nicola, she is a flippant vision. I was going to say vision too, like one mine? See that? Okay, So the question here is like when did when did the hallucinations start? Like at what point did Iris was Iris at Iris? What time did what? At what point did Iris start doing stuff? Because you just saw your first one, like right after that scene with Marris and Aleca Magnus. That's weird. I didn't feel right saying Aleca

Magnus in that order didn't feel correct. Magnus analc Magnus anallek is the correct way to say it, Like yeah, like would you ever say jelly and peanut butter, No, I don't feel right. That didn't feel right. That was strange. I don't know why it came out that way. Um, there you go. But so these that anyway. That was the question is like, how how far back of these hallucinations started happening? Is it as soon as people start walking in? Is that why people are already starting to

feel insecure in situations where maybe they wouldn't. Um, I don't know, we don't know. But we just saw Simon making out with mya. Yeah. Well, and if I remember correctly, it has to do with the proximity of the cats in the apartment, and so I think it's isolated to Magnus's penthouse. M I see, Oh that's right, I remember now, person McGonagall ship, got it? Mm hmm. But they did kiss? Well, that was just in your head. No, they were outside

having an intimate conversation. But the warped reality that's clearing a vision of them kissing, got it. They were just outside having a drink. From my understanding, Hollywood, tear cat love that love a solid left hand, left eye to camera, great fucking great work. Can you pick can you pick your eye? Nah? It's luck of the drawer. Yeah, totally.

And it's and very often it comes out the wrong time as well, especially in auditions, where I'm like, all right, they've said it in the script, this tear needs to happen at this fucking moment, And then I'm like, no, I'm already crying. Doesn't make sense, like I'm crying three minutes before I need to be crying anysoever. It easier because you can cut in and out of it and makes sense, but when you're doing an audition it's really

hard sometimes. But have you ever been in that moment where they're doing like a pickup or you're about to start the scene and you get just right in the emotional place and they're like, oh, wait, hang on, we gotta then we gotta fix it, and you're just like, it's always flipping the lens. It's always flipping the lens. I'm like, And then you're sort of looking up like I'm holding this tear in the chamber like it's right there. If it comes out, I don't know when we're going

to get this again. So like and someone comes up and they're like, do you want to think? Do you want to water? I'm like, no, just hurry them up. Why are you standing like that? Because I have a fucking tear in my eye and I don't want to waste it. Like I was just really upset and now you're now we're in a different spot. Yeah, Like I'm sorry. I'm trying to hold this trauma right here, right here, in a shitty place right now. Yeah, fucking know what a nightmare? There you go? What do time? What do

we do? Love it? I've known two actresses. Never I've never known an actor who a male actor's guests. Everyone's an actor, but it's it makes sense for the story to say actress because it was two women. I've known two women who can choose their eye. Wow, they can pick their eye to tear out of which I thought

was pretty incredible. I think it might be like rolling your tongue, and I think it might be like an actual like a skill that some people possess that some people don't possess, to be able to send tears to just one tear duct. I am not. I'm not that dexterous with my tear ducts. Me neither. I don't know. But leave it to Magnus to be the voice of reason and go with Clari have youssed, Simon, what's going on? Have you been drinking? Yes? Yes, unfortunately that's not the

problem here. Yeah, what is Issy doing? Did she leave the party or she on her way to the party. You don't look good either way. She looks like she's been doing drugs. So she looks like, oh dear, oh dear. So I think it's a great dress. I think she is asking for more. Yeah, right, yeah, I think she's on her way. I think she's on her way to the party. And oh yeah, why did you call me here? So she calls Raphael on the way. Yeah, which, don't do it, Raphael, Nah, But he loves her, so he

doesn't matter. If you love someone, you don't give them the drug that they're struggling with. When you've seen train spotting, you lock him in a room and they see weird babies on the roof for two days and then they feel better all of a sudden, and then it's all better, and then everything is better. We'll get to the point. Yeah, that's how that goes, right. She actually does this. He does try and resist as much as is vampirely possible, but she does this. There she makes him taste her

blood again. It's Raphael trying to be a hero and just his addiction took the better of him, got the better of him. Ah, he's in the box, watching the box. It's too big. The box is too big for a Stelle, isn't it. Maybe it is a Stella. I think Jack is just little. That's what's possible, just a little lad. Oh that is a little book moment though. We get to see Magnus's eyes flash. There's surely not the first

time we get to see his cat eyes, is it. No? No, no, we've seen it several times, but right, yeah, we literally see it in episode one. It's all coming back to me now, it's all coming back to me. Was such a long time ago? Oh, Jason, isn't my brother? Oh punk from the mouth of Babes at all? Monster? Oh that's right. This is when you you get your vision pretty shortly hereafter. Yeah, there was something that happened when you guys shot this scene. I wasn't there, so I

don't remember. Isn't there something or am I am? I know there was there like a couple of issues with it, and I can't remember exactly what they were. Didn't the door get locked or that's right. The sliding door was on like a wedge, and when I shut it behind me, and I did it a couple of times, and poor Harry got and I must have shut it too hard because Harry is a big, strong guy. When I slid the door shut, it wedges itself shut, so he couldn't

enter the scene. Um, so you just sort of heard him like rattle the door for a second with like Mom unconscious on the floor, and then you just hear him go could open the door. I got ship. Sorry, body, I'll try and close it slow, but the door was quite heavy, so sort of the inertia of that velocity took over a little. I don't know, I'm making it uses a bad job. Well either way, can we just talk about how badass Nicola was but throwing that battle ax in the smarting? Yeah, bear the pain and get

the venom out of your system. You are right, Rafael, correct, We I knocked Mom out. And now Rafael is giving isabel or what for? No, not not like that, and some good advice. He yes, exactly, And now Isabelle's finally entering the chaos of the party, but first she razzis her track marks. Yeah, smart, smart, lady Smart Lady Penthouse one year it is here we go? Is he seeing visions there? Is he immune to these visions because of

the vampire blood? I wonder. I don't know, because I don't think if anything happens to Izzy, maybe she's immune because she just a racks heat too. That could be like right at the door, Clary, I don't have time for your problems. I don't have time for your problems. Oh there's another assignment in my vision. Tugging on the tie Clary's piste. That man is like magnus no no, no, no, no, no no in my house. Yeah, I love that. One of my favorite lines. Not this is not an episode

of the Real Housewives of Address. Yeah, very good. No, No it's not, it is not, and the may is not even there. It's Raj. It is Raj, Poor Raj again, poor Raj. He was about to get knocked the funk out. Yeah. I just want a T shirt that says poor Raj. So it's you know, that's the next You should send them to Raymond. Honestly, we think of you fondly, Raymond, fondly, and often what we do we do. And then now they've just found knocked out, knocked out Maris as we

get for throwing a battle axe at your son. Yeah, Claire's having a freak out. I love at Magnus is the only one who goes. But I'm just trying to throw a party here, and everybody's hallucinating what's in this punch? What bartender did I hire Maya? Yeah? Right? And then now Alex visions We say I didn't have a choice a lot, and I don't think that's true. I don't think it's true that I didn't have a choice. Well,

I could have done something else except for knocking her out. Yeah, maybe, like I disarmed people all the time constantly you do. But then again, you know Warlock visions. Yeah, it was making me crazy. Judgment was slightly impaired. Oh shoot, that's right,

I remember what's about to happen. So now we everyone runs out to the roof because they hear Clary yelling at Alec, and Alec is standing on the edge of Magnus's roof about to jump because his hallucinations are of Clary digging the knife in about, you know, accusing him of killing her mother, even though the man was possessed. What was he going to possessed and is semi possessed right now? My goodness, who's going to save the day? I guess it was interesting as well, wasn't it? Because

we had to put were you more than anyone? Had to play two different versions of of Clary in this the like honestly that I don't think any of them are dishonest who Clary's character is, like, the fury is there and also the empathy. It's interesting. You got to play two sides of the same coin, which is quite good fun. It was good fun. It was interesting on the day because we were so rushed and both sides

of that are so emotional. They was constantly having to flip back and forth between the two, and we didn't have a lot of time either because well, yes, we got to run it through. But I think every time they changed the camera, we'd have to do a couple takes of one and a couple takes of the other. Every time they switched camera positions, and so it was constantly going, all right, give me like thirty seconds to go from Wow, that's wild. We were in the shed.

We didn't hear any of that. We were in the league, remember, like shoulder and shoulder like this like sardines. Yeah. Well that was also the hardest part, because you know, you all were having so much fun, and all I wanted to do is have fun with you guys. But I literally had to put myself in a little corner and uh ignore all the fun that was happening there. Oh God, Matt breaks some heart every time. And then of course Magnus comes right at the perfect moment and saves the day. Also,

kudos to our VFX team. When Magnus opens this safe, it looks amazing. Everybody's yelling at each other. Everybody's yelling. I forgot, I got to yell at Nicola. This is one of the only scenes I've ever happened. A fucking great Simon lyone. Mya is at the bar, yeah, and Alex on the ground awesome, love that so much. Suddenly snaps us out of it. Why does he come? Why does he start yelling at me? I didn't do anything. I came and said hello, I was trying to be nice.

Didn't hen yell at me for the right thing. I knocked out my mom. Oh yeah, because she took down his wards and so he had to put them back up. There we go nobody leaves to like it back. Oh man, magnus legend. Okay, now this this is the part again poor Rash. He's scanning Raj, just making sure everything's okay. But this is getting to a scene that I think,

other than the Goat's feet, is probably that's right. Yeah, this is probably the blooper scene that we talked about the most barring goat speed because we had but this is our seventeen eighteen of day two of being in this room, just us, and we had maybe thirty minutes to get this entire scene done, and it's one of those were somehow we'd all been put in a line and everybody had one thing to say, and it was

basically just going down the line. And it's one of those you know TV scenes where to get the information out and make it kind of seem natural, they give everyone half a sentence, and for whatever reason, the way Matt was saying his line sent all of us back. It was because it wasn't him. It wasn't his fault.

He had the last like ellipsus word, so it was it was like you mean dot dot dot question mark or like wait, dot dot dot like it was something like that, and it was just the last one, and we were running on this has to be like our twelve of a twelve hour day. We're running on fun and empty. And every time he did it, we were like, oh no, and it like one of four of us would break every time, like it was a different person each time, but someone would go and it would set

all of us off as a nightmare. I think he had to leave set. I think they and he had to leave set because he was like, I can't, I physically can't. You know, I'm making it worse way doing this. He made the right call, honestly, and he did the did it from off camera somewhere. Oh man, it happens. He had quit saying it. Yeah, happens to the best of us. That fucking little ginger cat that wouldn't behave from the beginning, the red haired cat, the French dialect.

It must be Irish rouse. Yeah, sure, this is. This was weird as well because we all had to hold this position. Oh I forgot about this. Actually not for too long, it turns out, although there was a stunt in it, so we had to hold and reset. I'm pretty sure, because doesn't she get flung out of the room I think, so look at these practical effects as well.

When we we talk a lot about the the effects on our show, which is spectacular, but the practical effects are also fantastic, and we don't talk about those enough. Actual ship blowing up, which is books, shells falling apart, lights exploding like is dangerous no matter what it is, and they're done very well and very safely. We didn't do enough warlock battles on the show. I have to say,

is this one? There's one in season three? Yeah, but it's this combination of practical and visual effects that just it brings it to life and well and also performingly and Stephanie just doing their thing. Yes, so much of it is about this physicality. Oh is this one? Madzie joins Magnus and Alec shortly thereafter because they have to rescue her from Valentine. But oh, that's so, this is where the blood oath comes in. So if you remember, I made a blood oath with Iris to try and

bring my mother back and before she kidnapped me. But she calls her blood oath in it, got it, got it, got it to the clave with you, Iris, babe. Yeah, this is the scene right here what does Valent turned up to anyway? It's too dangerous. I'm so curious if the line ends up in there. Let's see, it's got to be he's thinking about it. Wait, I have to be wearing heels at this point as well. I'm wearing some sort of fancy Italian heel because I don't look that much shorter than Matt, and I am quite a

bit shorter than Matt. But if you in that shot, I didn't look that much shorter than him. So I think I'm wearing some sort of like Cuban boot. I'm sure. I just keep giggling because I'm watching all of us trying not to laugh. Yeah, we're all just scowling just a little bit too much. Oh, this is when we found out that Clary has pure angel blood. I forgot that. This is when we put all those pieces together. Always Magnus, he always knows, He always knows. Now, this scene actually

was outside. This is across the street from that park. Are you saying that that's what it was? Are you saying that dot dot dot not? It wasn't. It wasn't a single word, which I thought it was. Are you saying that is what it was? And if you notice rewatch it, it's I think either just Matt or just you and Matt in the shop. But silliness aside. What

we're really funding out here is that the angels. Clary has pure angel blood because she was able to see this, this angel's vision correct at a downroad, apocalypse is coming. Soul Sword equals down worlders dying, is what we're saying. If it's activated, correct, it's different from the books. And what does it do in the books? The thing in the books, it's it's only the truth telling thing. And yeah, and I think you know it's it's a powerful sort that can be used to kill an angel, I think.

But it's also just one of the three mortal instruments. It's it's just an extremely powerful supernatural sort happen three more instruments together. Anything Razil is called Oh I knew that Razil as that happens. Yeah, and the cup makes new shadow hunters. What is the not the like the mirror? Do I mean it is a like spoiler? Is? Like you know, I don't I don't remember exactly what properties

the mirror has. I think it I don't know. Tweeters if you're listening, We tweet Twitter you can put it on mine scram some if you want to send a message something to do with truth and visions and something I think I can't I can't actually recall. But we're having The download apocalypse is imminent, basically, is what we're learning. And of course Clari is going well. Some of the people I love most in the world are downloaders, including my dad and my boyfriend now and all of these

people that mean the world to me. Luke, oh yeah, okay, I was like, I don't think that is no. And then of course Simon and true Simon fashion just makes it all better. Now we're at the room ceremony. I would have been scared of Stephen if I was Mac. If I was Max's age and he's got the full mcgiver on his face, I would have been scared of him. I'm a little as the character. Yeah, not on sex, he's a big, softy Stephen, but as the character, I would have been terrified at that guy. Oh my god,

eyes a mouth sun shot. We have to think about it too, though, especially someone who's grown up in address. Silent brothers have to be something that are a lot more common. No, I mean Max the actor Jack, I mean Jack. Sorry, Jack, I mean Jack would have been I would have been scared if I was Jack. You have to remember, though, he was a lot older than he looks, was he. Yeah, he's a very mature kid.

He was like eleven or twelve, wasn't he. Yeah, no idea because look at all all dressed up to the nines. I think it's weird that we had this whole cool thing party planned and then the ceremony didn't happen there. I don't know, maybe it's like a rehearsal dinner. Yeah, like this is the reception versus the ceremony, any kind of deal, because if you think, if you look, it's just family at the ceremony and it's a very small, kind of quiet thing. So then you have a party.

I think this is one of the first times we get to see our always like proper backstage always. This was a great scene at Maris Nikola does such a good job with this scene right at the end. M M. I remember that. Yeah, she does an amazing job, and we were This is another one of those like right at the end of the day, we're all sort of running on empty twelve hours. We had about fucking thirty seconds to get each of our coverage, and she just like knocks it out of the park. She does such

a good job. And it's this is again something that they they actually took the time in this episode to do, is give our characters a moment of reconciliation. You know, you see it with Simon and Clary, you see it with even, see it with Clarie and Aleck. Here before you have that lovely scene with Nicola. It's you know, Clari finally says straight up, I don't blame you for my mom. It's when it's one of the first times you get to see a little bit of that that friendship,

the thing we call friendship between Alec and Clary. They don't quite hug, but they almost do. No, there's a little little awkward arm grab of like I'm gonna just know it's like a half pat sohen we're done. And then this beautiful scene with you and Nicola and Matt. I can't tell, Isabelle, you know sometimes you can tell by the color of our faces how long we've been on set, Like you can tell, like the blood has started to drain out. We all look a little paler,

Like Matt's quite olive skinned. Anyway. But when he looks like really pale, and I'm quite pale naturally, when I look really really pale, and you can tell we've been on set for a while and with like you're really tired and the blood's just like in your body trying to keep your functioning. That's that's what it looks like, just looking a little pale and interesting. Also, it must have been getting cold right now, so we're spending less

time outside. I think it was about October, because I seemed to remember this was around Halloween we shot this episod it. They do this over and over again with Maris and it's so it's so beautiful because they have they have such both sides of the coin with her. They paint her as this so a strong leader and this amazing mother and this woman who is so strong in her convictions, and they give her so many beautiful

moments of vulnerability as well. It just and she does it just Nikola just hits it out of the park every time she does something very honest about performances, which is fantastic. Yeah, and then you know bad guy man. See every kid in Valentine's Stead gets treats. Every single kid except Clary whenever he pasta pasta, I got pasta. Yeah, I mean I got tortured and eventually murdered. But yeah, pasta is great, lovely, lovely, What a consolation to have

some freaking pasta pasta or bought me ice cream? Is that true? I don't think that's true. Oh he didn't, as you said, Jays didn't. I was like Jade, I don't think there's a scene of it, and that's our episode. Valentine's doing bad stuff at the end. Surprised kells please as the French maybe say, I don't know, I don't speak French. Maybe well, how apt given the French Warlock spells in the spells um well as always, thank you everyone for listening, for joining us on this little journey.

I think we covered. I didn't look at my cheat sheet one time. I don't know what we covered, but there's a whole bunch of words, like six pages of work here. Sorry, sorry producers who worked so hard on this. There's like six pages of really interesting stuff and I covered zero of it. And I apologize for that. No, no, no, we covered. I was keeping an eye on it. I'll keep us on track. It keeps me straight. That's the

thing working on it. Well, folks, thank you so much for joining us again, and hopefully we made some sort of sense in an episode that is very good, bluted and of itself. All right, Bye Bye Bye. Returned to the Shadows is hosted and an executive produced by Me, Katherine McNamara and Dominic Sherwood. Our executive producer is Lingley. Our senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia. Our producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermeilia, and our intern

is Sam Katz. Original music by Alex Kinsey and performed by Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara