S2E7 - How Are Thou Fallen

after about three minutes. Really, they tried on you, not mine, but they tried on a corset in a fitting gave up after about three minutes. It's it's interesting. It's like it's kind of like a thundercoat for dogs. I'll tell you that. It's like a thundercoat. Oh you're saying I thought it was just a brand, and I was like, that's a fucking awesome brand. I don't know who decided to name it that, but that's sick. No, where did we leave off? We left off what happened in the

last episode. We filmed this last episode yesterday, and I don't remember what I know. The lots happened in your life, it seemed true, Profess. What happened in the last episode was Iron Sisters, and we found out that Cleophus is part of the circle and stabbed her friends. Right now they're off, She's off doing who knows what. Clary's got Sunlight Rune and Isabelle spying for alder Tree and Jason's

on ecre duty and lots going on. No kidding, No kidding, and sim Nemya are are making eyes at each other. Simon and Meyers started making eyes into it. Clary should be jealous to catchman. I get it. I am fully with you. M So today we are rewatching season two,

episode seven, How art Thou Fallen? The original air date was February seventeen, written by Holly Overton, directed by Ben Hernandez Bray, starring Katherine McNamara Dominic Show at Alberta, Rozenda, Matthew, Dario A Mustafa, Harry Sham Jr. With guest stars Alan Van Sprang, Alicia Wayne Right, Lisa Barry, Nick Segar and David Castro. Oh my goodness, what's happening today? What is happening for today? So Clary takes a leap of faith, Clary and Luke find themselves at odds over the arrival

of Cleo. Luke sister shows up at the Jade Wolf, claiming innocence about the recent attack, but with Luke not trusting a word, Cleo says, he finds himself at odds with Clary, who sees an opportunity to get Vale time. Yet, how far will Clary go to prove she's rights about Cleo. Meanwhile, Simon gets dating advice from a surprising source as Isabel takes a dangerous path. I remember filming this scene. Is this the one where you and Alberto? No, m it is?

I'm pretty sure. Yeah, because I get, but don't I get? Yeah, like, I think the log line of events is I get booted out of That's right, because you just went to go stay with Magnus. That was the end of the episode. You showed up and interrupted Malex. Nice moment. Yeah, yeah, and yeah this is the episode I know what This is also the episode um where Clary has supersonic hering for a little bit, supersonic angelic hering for just one

episode and then American. Yeah, yeah, I remember that weird thing that they did where suddenly I was hearing these crippling noises. My goodness, it's all it's all going on, it's all happening. Oh, we have dark hooded figure walking through the streets of Chronto. I remember shooting this episode. It was so cold. In fact, I think, I think this is the episode I've seen with Lisa Berry later on where we're literally in an alley and they added these fans and doing a d R. I remember this, Yeah,

because we turn up, do we not? I think so? Can I not turn up? And I remember seeing you and you were like not you know, when you're really cold and you get like a hint, like a hue of blue. Yeah, that wasn't what it was. You were blue, like actual blue, and you couldn't talk. Yeah. Well, and I remember doing a d R. It was so difficult to do a d R for that scene because my

cadence of speech was different because I was so coold. Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, I think it was later It was like after that that they decided, actually, maybe shadow Hunters can feel the temperature, and let's dress our actors and something warm for a little bit dependent whether yeah, um, but here we go, speaking of cold and cold hearts. We started off this episode of Valentine. Yeah, that was a cool entrance as well. I forgot that he did that.

That's an awesome entrance. Yeah at all, like Superhero landing. That's great. Was this at the hern again? I was just looking at that. It looks exactly like the hern which seems like a silly place for it looks exactly like the scene that he told us about the brother Sister thing like it. That set looks exactly the same, And it seems a little strange that he would go back there because that's the last place we saw him. Yeah, maybe he just popped in for a little meeting. He's

got himself an angel, He's found himself an angel. This guy was great. Man, what a trooper? Remember they put so this happens later on, but we see this angels wings and they had the practical winks, they had the actual wings and they were so heavy that not even like the stunt guys could stand up with them on because they had the physical engineering works to open behind him. And I think we ended up just not doing that

and having CG right. I think they used it for one shot, but I think at the end they might not have I remember where they shot this. Now, they shot this at a slaughterhouse that was about twenty minutes away from the studio. Remembers that one day that we were supposed to shoot a scene there as well, and then they got behind and it was like twelve hours that we sat there, and then they decided to move that scene that we were supposed to do somewhere else.

I don't remember that, but that sounds very like what it's like to make a TV show. I only remember because it was the one time I sat for twelve hours on on that set. Otherwise, you know, our scheduling, A lista does make it a Lissa Caprioti is a Lista Caapriarty. Yeah, she does make it into the show. I thought we'd cut her only scene, and that's not the case. She's in it. No, No, she comes back a bunch. Oh yes, the supersonic caring. Yeah, this is

the supersonic caring I was talking about. I'm walked along the institute. Everything's fine, and then all of a sudden, there's a ringing in my ears or a screaming or something. Is that based like? When when did this happen? Is it's just another like thing that we added in, so like this is going to be a good story point. It's a pure angel blood thing because Clara was injected with angel Jonathan was injected. I don't know. Do I have angel blood? I forget? Do I have pure angel blood? Yeah?

You do? Do you and I have angel blood yet? Because gold is itself in like gold eyes and ruined stuff, mine is apparently supersonic and deelic hering in sunlight ruin once, super sonic hearing one time. That's funny, that's great. Yeah, these powers are unpredictable. We don't know what's going to happen, much like my evening, I don't know. Welcome to Drunk returns to the Shadows for one episode because I'm positive

I won't be allowed. I really want to do an actual drinking game with you one episode, but I feel like we should do it with you know, should get like Alberto and Matt on as well and watch an episode where the finales of a drinking game with it. Yeah, I'll run it by him. I'm seeing Matt Tomorrow'll run it by m sounds good. Well, now we're back, Speaking of, we're back with Malick, I don't we've skipped a whole bunch just pays in the background. I gotta get better

at this. There's a whole cute ass magnus alec gift giving scene. What do you think they love languages? Oh? I think experiences. Actually, I think I'm together and and share experience. Yeah, I think so too, because that's when they bond. What the languages are, It's it's words of affirmation, touch, gift giving, shared experience, Aren't there? Fine? Seven I'm gonna look. I don't want to sound like a dummy on the podcast anymore than I already do. If I can better myself,

I will. This is a really confusing Google search. I just typed in love languages, and the top results are what are the seven types of blood languages? What are the five basic love languages? What are the eight love languages? Are there seven or five love languages? This is really confusing. Physical touch, words of affirmation, quality time, gift giving, acts of service. I mean they don't get much of it, so it's probably quality time for these two, right, That's

what I would say. I think quality times, Yeah, quality time and words of affirmation, because those are the times that we see them bond the most, when they actually communicate a little time together. What do you think ours is not you and me? I don't think we have sarcasm, sarcasm and giving ship. I think that's our love giving giving. Um No, what what is Jason Clary's do you think? I think it's somewhere between. It's not worth of affirmation

because they don't communicate that well. I think it's probably touch and quality time. I actually think, yeah, I definitely agree with touch. I think it might be acts of

service as well. I think yes, the more, especially like when they're sort of navigating through this world, I think the more that they they see each other, work with each other, and see each other have sort of self sacrificial benefits in each other's lives, then then they grow closer towards each other, which I think is kind of And I never really saw acts of service as a as a love language. I see it as something that can be admired, but I never really saw it as

a love language. But actually, between these two, I kind of I agree with you too. It also fits a bit with just the whole pathos of the shadow Hunters that acts of service would be. You know, PAS is my favorite of the Three Musketeers. Little known facts about Tom Sherwood. Folks, Yep, there's gonna be lots of those tonight. I can't, I can't. All right, Well, while you're doing your unauthorized advertisements, I'm going to watch you making out

with Kaylee. Oh shoot, that comes already. Yeah, well, you guys are giggling. They're talking about Cassanova right now. Apparently would have met another giggling in the background. Yeah, that comes. That comes later. Also hats off, man, Like, imagine it being your first day and just being like you're going to be pretty much naked, you're gonna be making out with this, Like, it's a really shitty way to join a show. It's a shitty way to really do anything.

Like any imagine any job that you turn up and you're like, oh ps, this is what you're doing say and you're like, fuck me right, that sucks, she says, And she was a real trooper. Yeah she was awesome. This is a really sexy episode because next scene we've got Alberto with his washboard in the mirror and Claire's like, oh hey, hey, Bamber looks good at your jealousy showing it does look good on him. Clary is not listen, you can't blame the girl. Now, you can't complain the girl.

She's not covering very well. But that's fine, you know what I mean. It never you never end up with a jealousy thing between Izzy and Clary. I think is he's too sure of herself. I think she's like, he's gonna end up with me. That's fine. I know. I don't worry about it, which I think is kind of cool. It's very that's a very Isabelle thing to do. Also, she's seat right now currently, she's busy. She's quite busy. Man.

I missed this set. I miss being on this set, the boat basin, no, any of them, like our sets on Shadow Hunters. Like I missed waking up every day and coming to work and coming to these I do too. We had such a good setup and it just felt like a home, you know, with the where the props room was and the office was, and the stunt room and the wardrobe and everything was right there. Yeah. The

cellphone strikes again. It's funny. I always it always makes me laugh a little bit when we use cell phones in the show, because in the books they don't because they are the waves attracted demons, so they only that's why they use fire messages. But it costs less to pull us off phone out of your pocket. I think, unless well unless I was doing a d R once and this will remain completely anonymous who this was, but one of the actors, one of the actors who was

in every episode. I'll say that much had their phone, their personal phone in their back pocket and you could see the Apple logo and I spotted it in a d R and I went, yeah, I don't think we can have that in there, right, That's going to cost us a fortune, and they went ship. The whole scene was scrapped. It was not you, and it was not me. We'll say that much. Well me, I never because honestly, like,

mind's more embarrassing. Like I'm naturally quite skinny, and I worked really hard to be in good shape for this, but like I'm still quite slim. And I like the iPhone Pro Max, the big one. I like, that's my model, I guess, And it looks too big on me, Like it makes me look like I'm really small holding a regular sized phone, Like I just look stupid, so I don't.

It doesn't come to set with me, ever, So I also find it very distracting to have my phone on set and if we had anything that needed to be googled. That's why Mats there exactly. That's the real truth. Speaking of Matt, here we have another Malax scene. He's getting his alert. Damn it, he has to go to work. See a quality time being interrupted once again. Always it's Constant's relentless. I love their relationship since those little touches of sweetness. There's such a warmth to it. Oh up,

and here we go. You are in bed worth the see yeah, I'm in bed with the silly right you are. I'm in bed with the scene. This is a large part of this. So this is this scene was done pre intimacy coordinators. So for those who don't know, an intimacy coordinator as someone who comes on and make sure that everyone who is in an intimately fragile situation feels comfortable on set. That's basically sort of the entirety of

their job. So things you are willing to do, things you aren't willing to do, whether it's to do with the performance or how you're treated on set, or making sure you're covered for certain amounts, whatever it is, that's their job. And this was done pre intimacy coordinator, so it's you sort of well, a lot of people don't do this, hence the necessity for an intimacy coordinator, but we did. You have this discussion ahead of time. I always try to what are you comfortable with? What are

you not comfortable with? Let's sort of let's coordinate the scene ahead of time, so nobody feels strange on set. Um and Silik was our a D on this one, and he was he was sort of in charge. We had our conversation, but he was in charge of making sure that everyone feels comfortable, and he did an amazing job.

I don't think anyone because we've hung out with here a bunch of Michelle, we hung out a bunch of times since then, and I think he does an incredible job and making sure that everyone feels safe and secure on our set. So hats off to sellec. Hats off to Michelle for throwing yourself in at the deep end there as well. Absolutely, and hats off to the makeup team as well for not only the seely ruins of the seely tattoos, but all of the ruins. I forget

how great the rooms look, especially on camera. You know and interesting as well. So my room I've paused at sort of the perfect moment here where I have ended up lying on top of Caylee and you can see the room on my side right here. Um, and there is a big you know this, there's a big tattoo under I can sort of show you hit the tattoo, a real tattoo underneath that room. I'll be damned if you can see that. You cannot see that there is a tattoo under there at all. They did an amazing,

amazing job. Those days are pretty hellish for me and for the makeup team. Is like four people who have to sit for two hours with spray paint and like cover my entire body and then apply all of these things. They're horrendous. Like, I don't know why I get tattoos. I'm getting another one in like a week, aren't we, Daryl. We're getting another tattoo soon, right? What are you getting? Yeah? He said apparently No, Okay. Also, we're not really decided

on it yet. That's the real true good luck. Good luck. Then that's I'm then I'm done. That's it my last one. Oh yeah, that's what I'm promising myself because it is.

It's unfair to go to new sets and be like, oh, by the way, I have all of these ridiculous tattoos on me that you have to cover, which which is like every job as well, like we managed to sneak a couple in in Partner Track, but like Penny Dreadful was set in the forties, like tattoos in the forties, like you have to get rid of them more so it's not fair. That's what I've decided. So no more tattoos. I mean one more and then we're done. I believe I want to see it. Um. But also I miss

wearing the ruins at work. There's some days it's it was such a transformative thing. It was just an indication of you know, I'm out of one person now I'm this other person, and I miss it. I agree. Makeup in general for me is that's sort of my time. Like accent wise. You know this because you've had cars together at work quite a bunch accents starts on the ride to work, and that sort of slowly gets me

into you know, whatever it is, whatever headspace is. But yeah, when you're certain and they cup chair, that's when you become this person, right, like especially someone like Jason, Like Jason is so infinitely better looking than I am, which sounds fucking mental because I played him, like I get,

I get how insane that sounds. Like he's really good looking, and a lot of that is like his confidence and how he holds himself and whatever, and a lot of it is the job that the makeup team does, and I as they were doing their thing, I felt like my confidence and like Jay sort of like becoming a thing as we're sort of set in the chair, which is really it's such a weird it's such a weird like it's almost like a like a version of schizophrenia,

like this other person is stepping into the spotlight, but it's still me, you know what I mean. Like it's a really odd thing to sort of describe, but great. I love it. That's why I love changing my hair.

And you know, even when I have the opportunity to wear a wig at work, I love it because it's such a clear delineation of sitting the chair and you are someone else after after a few minutes, there's something so there's it's it's always interesting, how you know Jace accentuates his bravado when he's feeling insecure, he's feeling down. It's it's such a common thing. I was going to stay with men, and I actually don't think that's true.

I think this is a very common pattern of behavior that I've seen more and more since playing Jace, since understanding I've seen it when I do it, and I do I don't get me wrong. I do. Like, if I'm feeling insecure, I completely cover that up until I find someone safe that I can talk to, and I'm like, great, let's now I can offload this. But like when I'm with strangers, I'm like, let's make a joke about this, but like really dying inside. And since playing him, it's

really polarized my ability to focus on that. So I've seen it in people and I go, oh wow, there is yeah, I know exactly what's happening here. And I'm like, we don't know each other well enough for me to call you out on this, but like, I know what's happening here. So like some people go too far right, Like I've seen it very often when people are just dicks, like complete dicks, and you see it, like you see this flash, I'm like, oh, man, I lived with exactly

this for four years. I know exactly what you're doing, and you kind of get a pass. You maybe shouldn't get a pass fully, but you kind of get a past because I'm like, I get it. Someone hurt thirteen year old you twenty years ago or ten years ago or whatever it was, and that insecurity is showing right now and you're covering it up, and you're doing a good job of covering it up. And you know what, fair enough, you're going to figure the ship out, and

I get it. That's fine. But the reason that it's very rare that I snapped to anger, I snapped to drinking, and we're back. Kind we're back, and now Alec and Clary are having a chat about Jason because he's Yeah, I love this sort of begrudging cooperation between these two. It's so it's so camogen E. It's like my favorite thing, Like funk, I've run out of sources, like I have to go to Clary. It's my favorite bit. Jason's in trouble. Yeah, I know, I don't want to talk to you about it.

I don't want to talk to you about it either. Fine, Fine, I don't know what I just skipped too, but I just call Harry doing the coolest wink I've ever seen in my entire life. If you're watching, wait wait wait wait, let me find it. Okay, So if you're watching on Netflix, it is at twelve minutes fifty three seconds. Check it out. He's doing a scene with Maya and he does the coolest wink I've ever seen that in my entire life,

and he does it with his left eye. I'm still in clary Isabel hand, but I'm going to skip a little bit because basically we're talking about Jason. There's clear first, and there's all sorts of stuff going on. Yeah, and is he's having a tough time. Also, I've said this before and I said it again, and I've said it to Emerald. Um, this is my favorite section of her performance, Like this the whole like injury to starting it too.

She deals with some really fucking tough issues in this really tough issues, and she absolutely nails it, absolutely nails it, especially like the recovery section at the end. Is it's like brutal and she's so good at it. Anyway, wants my little side note that I think did a fantastic job there. Now we've got sister Cleophus cutting herself open. She's doing what she just cut her waist open? Oh why? Why?

Why is that happened? Now we've got Magnus, because she needs to pretend to be injured probably would be my guests. She needs to pretend to be like brother. Help me. There's another one of those episodes where I don't I don't fully remember a lot of this. Now we've got Magnus. You know, I forgot about this. Magnus and Magnus and Maya scene, it's so lovely. Again, it's the down world or the down world or interpersonal relationships are so interested

down world. That's but that's the words I was trying to find and you got them ahead of me, and I appreciate that. It is that, Yeah, it is. It's that doubt, Like there's this real unilateral Everyone went through a version of this, Like everyone went through a version of being ostracized, then figuring it out, finding their family doing their things were then figuring out that there are mortal and wait at the wolves are mortal. They're not immortal.

I think they live longer than humans, but they're not immortal. Yeah, vampires are immortal. Vampires and warlocks Sile's immortal cilies have to be immortal. Yeah, well right, no, Seelye's they're not immortal. They just live a lot longer. Seelye's will live like, you know, six eight hundred years, I think. But the Seley Queen is immortal, don't know. I think she just ages at a different rate. Yeah, we just saw Magnus catch Isabelle trying to buy drugs. Yes we did. And

Magnus can smell alive from ten tho miles away. Very clever. Oh man, I love I love a father daughter Clary Luke moment. Yeah. Oh, and Claire's like, by the way, I made a new room. Don't know how, I don't know why, I don't know what it's for, but I did it. And your sisters seeing this is one of the questions we answer in the show, though, which is nice. We do we do find out why you have this ability? Ah see this Luke is the only capable adult in

this entire show. He's like, hey, wait, we can't trust my sister. I know she's my sister, but she might be working with Valentine. What a novel idea? Yeah, let's not trust her. Has she even turned up with you? Guys, we're doing We did such a good job of time keeping last episode, and I feel like we're doing a bad job now. Simon also Smiley going to pick up Maya. Oh he's wearing a shirt, he's all dressed up. Yeah,

he bumps into Izzy. Oh there's the dating Ada. So he's like my favorite commentator of And I can't remember how much of this was Alberto versus how much was written about him. He does such a good job of like little New York is, you know what I mean. Like he turns up and she's like, you're early by like two hours, and he's like, well, you know the f trains or whatever. You like, that's not if you haven't lived in New York. You just wouldn't. You don't know what that is. It's a little not to like

that's a New Yorker. He's a New Yorker, which is it's amazing. That's why it's part of why he is Simon. Oh yeah, look and here's here's an injured clear for stumbling into the Jade Wolf. How fortuitous. Yeah, Lisa Barry just coming in at a ten. She just so committed Dolly. Fake blood, God, we hate fake blood. It's just it, just as as Alberto does a shot of it. It's

just dreadful. And the problem is there's no real way to do fake blood and c G. I no, they're really the only way to do it is to have practical fake blood and it sucks. Spoiler alert, I'm about to get covered in it tomorrow at work for our season. Finally, spoiler no, I'm assuming it doesn't. I mean, did it often you just had patches of blood that you would slip in in the seventeen eighties. Sure, yeah, that's definitely what's happening in our show. What happens to someone die?

Who died? We'll cut it out. I just want to know. Lots of people die people. Is it like? Have you had to do it quick draw yet and you had to do cowboy like? No, I've fairly gotten to do anything stunt wise. This is the first episode. Check. You genuinely should go to Kinsey's place. Side note, go to Kinsey's place and get the peacemaker that I have. If they ever put you with a handgun, if there's nothing in it, it's completely safe. It has rounds in it

that are all completely dead. There's nothing, it's an air soft gun, but it doesn't have any gas nets. It can't do anything, but it functions like a gun. That's fun, so you can learn to do everything. That's cool. I just get to run around with the giant shotgun in this episode, which is like a double barrel. Yeah, like a like a Winchester A little little wink. That's really cool. Yeah, it's fine, and there's our two boys at the bar.

This was arguably one of Arguably, this was one of my two favorite scenes ever to film with Alberto, so the rises. This was one of the one of those moments where like, oh, ship, like they trust us, They genuinely trust us to do our job because they gave us lines and genuinely came to us at the beginning. They were like, do one or two takes with the lines as they are, and then you guys can do whatever you want, like we've seen how you guys work together.

You guys can do whatever you want. It's a really nice sensation to be able to be like, oh, funk, okay, they really do trust us with this, They trust us with our characters. Now. That's a really amazing feeling. And Alberto and I did really get to have a lot of fun. That's wonderful with this. Alicia as well. Actually, honestly, like she, I think I spit in one, was her. She added that, yet, I'm pretty sure. And this is also where the illustrious book club joke came from that

we reprised later several times in the show. That's not in the books. I think it's mentioned once in the books, but we we made more the deal of it in the show. Yeah, we really did, because we really truly did. It was fun, no kidding. Oh god, we played with this as well, like we were out at dinner and stuff and we just messed with this scene a whole bunch. It was really good fun. God. I want to I want to. I want to work with Alberto again. I

want to work with Alberta solely of my career. That's all I want to do, honestly, is I just want to work with Alberto for the rest of my life. That's fair. That's fair with other people, with you guys and other people as well. But like every job, my caveat, Like when I get to like fingers crossed, like Leonardo DiCaprio status, he's going to be furious because he's gonna be like dude, I want to do other work and be like, now it's in all of my contracts I'm doing.

That's really cute. No, clear, that's getting healed. You say getting healed? Healed? Men healed? Like how you heal a dog like he No, she's trying to heal her brother, but well she kind of is. She healed an heals, she's healed and healed. Oh oh no, I'm so sad Valentine and filtrated the citadel and killed my friend. I definitely didn't stab her and cold blood? Why don't we have like we do have forensic guys, right, Like we have a forensics team. Is he is one of them?

Like we have a forensics team. Couldn't we look at that body and be like this came from this blade? Can we do that? Maybe? But if you don't do that, I don't know. But the thing is with with that the Circle uses the same blades as the Iron Sisters. But I mean, like if it was like a bullet, like, well, wouldn't they all be sort of fairly into I just put myself in the eyes. What are you doing? God? Do I didn't do on purpose? Catherine, Relax, It's enough. How do you. Um no, I guess not. Yeah, it's

all made from the same metal. Sorry, I'm trying to be a professional. This is as professional as I get. Holy Ship, it's only five thirty. I'm on vacation. I am my best friends over. I'm on vacation. Yes you are, okay, Sassy Joel Abelle is back. Yeah, he's again like another one of our guys who just like nails his character. And he's actually arguably of all of our guest stars, possibly the least like his character like up there for sure,

aside from like Luke Bain's and Will Tutor. Yeah, yeah, of course, like murdering psychopaths or the Luke No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. We'll flash back to this little clip when we have him on the show. I should text him and see how he's doing. Yeah, oh, I forgot that. Um Clary was the one that clocked that she was that Luke's suspicions were correct, because Cliff has calls her Clarissa mm hmm, and that's the ding ding. But hey, this is our chance to find Valentine, so let's play

along because that's smart. Yeah, yeah, why not? Well, I finally Jesus I'm back with the Simon Jacene. Oh yeah, yeah, he's so good also. So the issue with when they let us play is Alberto is so funny, like so funny as a human being, and then him as Simon is so brilliant because he's he's wildly intelligent and he gets he fully understands who Simon is. He mix is two things together. And I'm watching. I'm looking at my face right now, and I'm like, oh, I can see

you not trying to laugh. I can see it in your in your body. You are trying so hard not to laugh because I didn't know who's going to say. And every time he would say something it was funnier than the last time. Of course, would get me. There's a lot of looking away. I'm looking away a lot, and that's because I have to look at something like, aren't funny. I'm gonna look at those instead. That's what's happening. I'm cheating, ladies and gents. I'm cheating. That's what's happening.

I am cheating as an actor. I also love you too, doing impressions of each other. It kind of it. Really, it really makes me happy. So good, this was really fun. This is the little It reminds me of how what's that movie the Steve Karl Ryan Garsling Crazy Stupid Love. This is like the Crazy Stuple Love montage, but just condensed down into one scene for you too, and I'm obsessed. In fact, a lot of our relationship is like that. It's very like that sort of dynamic, which is really good.

Rom Hm, I love, I Love, I love the banter that you too actually get to have. You know that this is that theory. It plays into that theory that if Clary hadn't been between you two, you two would

have been best friends the whole time. Like there's no denying this in my mind, Like if Ja's genuinely didn't like someone, there's no there's no world in which this scene would have happened, Like no world in which Jason likes Simon from the get go, Like from the minute one he liked Simon, but Clary was in the way. Clary was the you know, there's a listen, it all ends up okay, except for you. You lose all your memory.

Got the little the little twirl of the seller to Yeah, that's well, is why I don't have a stelle in season two. Be that's well because I kept breaking them. They let do it. He does such a good you. It blows my mind. He does a good me. He does do it me. But I remember there was a day on set where Alberta was like, all right, I gotta show you this. Tell me honestly does this look like dumb? And he switched into his Jace impression, did the whole walk, and everything in my mind was just blown.

He worked so hard on this. Bless him. Good stuff. They're just they again, not to the makeup team. So I'm the scene with Easy and Alex just another little nod to the makeup scene. They're just slowly starting to mess with the Emeralds look just the tiniest little bit like she's just starting to come out of the other

side of addiction. UM again, if anyone out there has any concerns about yourself, thoughts, problems with addiction, or with friends or family, anyone, we will attach a link to this um with safe places to call and and go and get Advisor help. We'll attach you to this. But the makeup team do do an incredible job here of starting to make her look like, how do you make Emerald not look good? You know what? I mean, but they're sort of just toying with the idea little little bits. Yeah,

it's incredible. Why did we not do that thing of throwing the different stuff to different screens more? That was so cool? Honestly, there are there are a bunch of like cool things that we do in the show, and I'm like, why didn't this become like a theme that we do every single time? This is really cool. I don't know. Probably because it was expensive, That would be my guess is that it's expensive. It's like, oh, we have, you know, extra dollars of the VFX budgeo for this episode.

Let's throw some things around screens. I don't know. We got a little ahead of ourselves this time. We've got some spare money. Let's spend it. Finds out that we've got spare money. Never is it again? It's great, yeah exactly because they take it back if they find out you've got to spare money, They're like, great, give it back to us now we're sure. Oh you just tasted Luke in the back. Oh that's ready forgot I forgot

about that pun intended, but whoof Yeah, sorry, Luke. I love that look that little look he gives at the end, it's like, oh, I'm so pissed, but I'm kind of proud of you, kind of like fair enough. Yeah good. Oh yeah, that's that's the whole thing. There was a storm coming, which is why the lightning, the angel and all that stuff. Yeah, oh my god, I just remembered how this scene ends. Which one this scene this this episode. I just remember how this episode ends. Yeah, smooching more Smogen,

so much smootion in this episode. Manus nelck Okay. He walks in the door and he's like, I'm at smooth you. Oh that's a good smooche. That's a solid smooch. Magnus putting the brakes on, which also like fucking damn good boyfriend. That is a damn good boyfriend thing to do. Like no, no, I just like once you've got the sort of capacity to semi read each other and you're like and she, I think you're doing this for the wrong reasons and I'm gonna And it doesn't just come down to sex necessarily.

It comes down to all fasts of life where are like WHOA, let's hold up, like, let's discuss this, let's get through this as a process together. Yeah. Again, the healthiest relationship on the show these two. Yeah, always ye, God, we're in the alleyway. I can see it in your eyes that you're cold, Like I can see the you know, when it's so cold and the wind hits your eyes and it it's so cold that you almost start to

tear up a little. I can see it. It's fucking rough, dude, Toronto, and we're not even in the winter yet, like this is like but they also brought in one of those industrial fans as well to blow wind down the alley for the storm. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't help. What's happening to you right now? What's this? What's the Oh you're hearing angel screams of the angel? Yeah, that makes sense. Then if it's the angel screaming, then maybe we don't use it again because we don't come in contact with

another angel. I do, right, come on, we're coming contact you summon one a couple of times, really, well, that's a thurial that comes back later. He comes back one more time. I'm in the words room, yeah, the whole thing, and then Lita does the thing and we had a pig thing. It's coming, yeah, it's coming. Sorry in this fucking show, I remember nothing. You were in this show, but you were not in that scene. Got it? Got it? Guys getting dragged by chains. Yeah, that's bad. There's some

slow motions. I'll tell you this right now. Nobody doesn't look good in slow motion. Everybody. Valentine is torturing a literal angel right now, and it's in slow motion, and he still looks cool. I don't know what it is. There's something about slow motion. It makes you look good. It's true. It's so Alan van Sparring. I think probably yeah, yea, his gravitas, yes, indeed, oh yeah, and that's right there. So I activate Clef. This is hearing room so she

can hear it as well. M hm. Why isn't that something we do later on, like with the werewolves or something. I don't know. I like, that's why he's a crimes like so quickly. Why don't we just have like centuries shadow hunters that constantly have activated and like great, like forty eight and seven. Get down there now, this is happening, You're like perfect, go on, there so many questions, so

many questions, many questions. Yeah, Claric good idea accused the person the murderer in front of you of her crime while you're alone and in an alley way. Yeah, but your skills are coming along a little bit. Maybe I don't know if you'd be able to take down an iron sister on your own, But maybe, I don't know. But she's she's changed her tune because you know, capturing an angel is apparently too far for her moral company. No kidding, no kidding, Dowtine's harmon angel and everything we

love will be destroyed. Yeah, this is it. I remember the wind this day. I remember this. All of us are shivering, all of us look like cold Isaiah, steady as a rock, steady as a rock. It's just like completely fine. Because in Isaiah this was also his bulletproof coffee phase, which I think had a lot to do with it. Mm hm, that's true, that is true. Yeah, hey, please don't shoot your sister. Why are you trying to? Why are you trying to? Why are you doing this?

What are you talking? These bad vampires also for seed, like Ali vampires. They're all dressed very well, well, they're vampires, I know, I get it, but they also like they don't look like your standards bad. I don't know what's a bad vampire look like, you're right, I'm wrong. Okay, fair enough, Let's move on. Let's move on. Simon's being super cute with Mary brought the Blade Runner Collector's edition. Super cute. She's still reading Jane Are, Yeah, she is.

She's further along, though she calls him out. Ad Actors follow where they're at, right, this is a really really smart thing to do. I remember I did a play once years and years and years ago, and I was doing it. I've seen with a girl who was reading a book and when I come in, she gets distracted

and she stops reading the book. And our first night on stage, she'd never done this from rehearsals, but her first night on stage, she stops reading the book and she just goes quickly and foot and it dog is her page and then shuts the book. And it was the It was one of those things where I'm like, oh, man, you're destined to do this for the rest of your life.

Like that's it's such an instinctual, like your character wants to know where they're at, but so subconsciously and wants to do this as well, so they It's just a thing that happened, and it was so good at almost like, it's those little nuances and it almost made me lose my place. I was like, that's freaking awesome. A little things, so little things. Speaking of the little things are not so little things. Maya fully called Simon up for being

in love with Clary. Yeah, I hear everything, hear everything, all the dating advice left right in center. Does he look up with Maya for you or after you? After me? Because you hook up with Maya while Clarie and Simon together? Oh, yes, you're right right. I think they just say we're just going to be friends. And then you're right because the dinner scene, you're right is after yep, yep, yep, and they're going to go and watch Blade Runner. Oh look

at this fight between between Lisa and Allan. Well done, Lisa, Barry solid. Some of these are my favorite fights, by the way, the ones almost where we like not almost, I mean they're almost my favorite fights. They weren't almost fights, they were regular fights, but there Some of these are my favorites where we don't use the weapons. It was just like brawling and Luke Isaiah got to do a lot of this and it was really cool, like watching these this just like the animals kind of take over.

These were really cool. However, this is one of my favorites. Do you remember the scene of us walking up the stairs or that where we did that scene? Ah, it was on the way to the stunt office, right Like, this was literally just a hallway in the office, a staircase in the office of our production office. And they repainted it and made it look all gross and old and you know, dilapidated. Um, just for this little tiny scene, not even a scene, like the preface to a scene.

It's like the an a crucis to a scene. I just remember we had to say this dialogue so fast because the staircase was so short and six stairs. We had six stairs to say these words on, you know, because like let's say it's a twelve staircase staircase, twelve stair staircase, three or four of those stairs are taken up by the camera crew. Mhm. Then mathematically I've taken away three or four from twelve and ended up with six. That's just where we're at. We're just going to leave

that there and move on. We're just gonna move on. No words need to be said, but don't make sure well this scene, this fight scene, I think, if I'm not mistaken, was the first major scene we shot on our three sixty degree green screen. Um, and they had but they had practical lighting rig lightning rig, so our our DP could press a button and the lightning would happen and that really it would go off. But I

loved doing this scene. This is also our first scene right out in This is our first Clary j scene out in the wilds. That isn't like training or whatever. This is. This might be our first fight scene. Honestly, I think it is our first fight scene that you and I did all of Yeah, because I think this was by this time we had trained with Darren and Dino enough where we had gotten to a point where they trusted us to do the whole fight and we

were able to do it. I mean, obviously you know, Aaron and Mary ever were there, but they they just end up using us, Yeah, which I was I was really proud of because you and I were really yeah, me too, me too. Yeah, And this was the one. This wasn't this the granite smoke day. Yes, when we turned up and the granite it was they So they

went down very often. They went down the floors, which we don't talk about that much, but we haven't really seen the Shadow Hunters prison yet and that's where they really went down the floors and it was a nightmare. But they have things. Floors look better than wet floors have It looked better than regular floors, apparently on screen. I didn't know this, but our floors were constantly fucking wet,

and so they when they made this. There's little bits of like shale of granite throughout this and they wet it down overnight and then in the morning it all dried up and just this like powdery granite was in the air. So we did our first rehearsal and neither of us could breathe. We were like going on, like what do they just breathe or see um? So they had to go back and like between takes, had to spray it all down so there wasn't the powder in the air that we were breathing it, but it was.

It was really something and also the camera crew did an amazing job on this one. They really did it. Also. Ever since this, this flight scene is stuck with me because you know, fight scenes always seemed to be in a storm during lightning when there's wind right and as someone who has very long hair that's often down in these fight scenes that becomes a bit of a problem. But I was so glad that I had this experience

because I remember being um. I was on Arrow during one of our season finales and I had to do a fight scene on top of a ten foot wall without a wire. But that was about maybe six or seven ft wide. Yeah, but it was like ten ft off the ground and they put stunt mats on either side of it. But my hair was literally it was. It was all wind and our stunt team. They were in masks as well, so nobody could see, and they

had light going off and all this crazy stuff. But I always kept thinking back to this fight scene and I'm like, well, I got through this one, so you know, hopefully I won't fall off this wall. That's interesting. Yeah, I have questions about that, but they guys, look at that flip. Look at that gainer that you're doing, Dan, dude. That was the one that was the one that got me.

That was when Dean and I, Dean and I, Darren and I had that conversation of like, do my hip hurts and He's like, yeah, man, it will, Like if you want to do stunts. You don't come to me every time you've got a little bruise. You come to me when you do something's really wrong or you feel unsafe, and then we take care of it. But like you want to do your stunts, you're gonna get bruised up. Yeah. Sorry, the guy just did the arm break and the way that he'd like contorted his arm to make it look

that way. Yeah, the double slice take that man down. So satisfied with the overhead shot, the solid overhead shot when we timed it out correctly, Yeah, dude. And I remember this was again one of the early times where I saw Darren. Darren used to do this thing where he would sit behind the monitors, and I'm sure he still does this, but he's so invested in what we're doing and you'd see him like jumping up and down like a little kid, like like doing what we're doing.

And then when it works, he's like yes, yes, and that excitement builds within us as well. And that was this was one of the first times that I really saw it and you could sell like we were done with our shot and we turned around and he's like, oh, yeah, we fucking nailed it, and that makes us feel great, Like, yeah, that was a really cool, cool one. It's like when you're you know, playing sports, and you look over and you just see your coach beaming with pride. That's that's

all you want, right. Yeah, we never get to hear Gray Mark anymore. Sorry, I'm back in the scene with Valentine and Cleophus and Luke Man the sibling relationships. Valentine just loves to manipulate them, doesn't he. Of course, no, he didn't steal Jocelyn. You became a monster. There's a difference. Yeah, right, this is on you, buddy, This is on you. How

do they get out of this? Clearphus pulls a pulls a move and they both get away, and both get away, and then we tried free the Angel, not working, not working. I think these are the practical wings. You know, Jason just starts hacking at the at the change, Yeah, of course, yeah, like yeah, he's he's an instrument. He's a blunt instrument. That's what he does. He's a hacker, that's what he does. I think those are the real wings. I think we

got the shot with the real wings. I think we did because I remember we did one that they like they tried. I have to say this gentleman did an amazing job with his moment, and it it lived on in our set. In fact, every time that we were having a hard day or something was going wrong, or you know, Murphy's Law came into play on our set, our camera operators would use this moment over and over again. Yeah. Those are the practical wings. Those are definitely the practical wings.

They are right, Yeah, I think they were enhanced probably a little bit. But well, that's right, and we grab his hands m hmm, because I guess you know what our potential near future means. Oh right, this is the first angelic visions. That's right, Burn Lasagna man. But he doesn't look like burn as man in this. He looks good. No, that that hand looks more like my demon curse hand. Yeah, but it's like goal, it's got like gold bits in it. It's it's like it's by design, you know what I mean. Yeah,

it does like a little burnt I guess. And the nails either way, I think it looks fabulous. It's amazing. Way to go, folks, VFX. And then the angel goes into the sky and we go, what did we just see? What did we just see and that is the end of our episode for another day. You know, I have to apologize because I thought we were doing so badly with time. We have nailed it again. We have absolutely nailed it. I just looked at our timing. We have

crushed this one. We did a fantastic job. It's probably you. You're better at time keeping the me and we do a good I can only guarantee that it was you know, I gotta say, I gotta credit both of us because we we each loved the tangent and get caught in a story or this or that when it comes to the show and we do a really good job at bringing each other in. We do. We bring each other back into it. We work well together. Go figure, Go figure. Well until next time, ladies and gentlemen, It's been a

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