S2E1 - This Guilty Blood

It's a real gift, really is well, speaking of what we've chosen to do for a career, we're back to the rewatches and we've made it all the way to Season two episode one. Yes, we have here to dive in. I'm ready to dive in. Born ready, all right, Well, here we are, Season two episode one, this Guilty Blood. The original air date was January two. The writer was

the lovely Michael Reese. Director Matthew Hastings. This is the first time we had Matt Hastings on the show, as well as Todd Slavkin and Darren Swimmer are show runners for season two onward. This episode again stars myself as Clarie Frey, Tom Sherwood Alberto Rosende, Matthew Daria, Amarad to bia isa A Mustafa, Harry Sham Jr. With guest stars Alan Van sprang At, Maxim Roy, John Core, Nick Sagar's premiere on the show, Nicola Karad Mood and Stephanie Bennett. Wow.

What a kick ass group of guest stars for this episode of our real heavy Hitters. We got some fun stuff that really kicks often in this episode, literally and figuratively. Speaking of literally and figuratively, whyn't you tell us where we left? So for those who are just joining us or who have also taken a bit of a break and listening, here's a little great cap where we left off. Jason's conflict between do dy to the Clave and duty to his family leaves him on a ship with Valentine's

growing shadow Hunter army. Meanwhile, the rest of the gang deals with the shock of Jace's departure and Jocelyn's reawakening. Well, there we go, and in the midst of the chaos that we were left with at the end of season one, the hunt is now on for Ja's The Institute is in upheaval after Jas's departure with Valentine, only hours have passed since Jas left with Valentine, and all hell has

broken loose at the Institute. Alec Isabelle and Clary are desperate to find Jace, but quickly stopped in their tracks by the arrival of the one and only Victor older Tree played by Nick Saga. We're very excited if you ought to meet him, who means business about getting the Institute back on track, but getting the New York shadow Hunters in line with the Clave maybe counterintuitive to alec

Isabelle and Clary's plan to rescue Jace. Meanwhile, Jocelyn has a lot to catch up on now she is awake and that the truth, it certainly is, and a few things I didn't know book to screen or didn't didn't fully remember thanks to our lovely producers who put together these briefs for us. Actually, the episode name This Guilty Blood is also the name of the ninth chapter of City of Glass, which is one of my favorite of

the books. That is the third book, also Valentine. We made Valentine more brutal, which I didn't think was possible because in the books Valentine feeds the demonic blood to Jocelyn through his cooking um as we know his famous spaghetti etcetera. But in our show, he just injects it right into her roomb, right into the into the unborn baby. Yeah, we'll get into those scenes later because we have some

fun stuff to talk about relation to that. So diving straight into the episode at first, what we saw in season one was, well, we saw what one theme we saw lat in season one was the concept of dreams, and especially with Clarie and Jay's, how they influence and how they kind of foretell different things that are going to happen or have happened, or sort of different meanings

to what's going on. And this is exactly how we start our season, which is a dream sequence of Jace's in which he is seeing many things, but it's sort of that altered reality where it's it's just it's dreams. Is a dream sequence, isn't it? Though? When Clarie shows up on the boat, No, this isn't a dream. This isn't a dream. No, this is this is I was like, what dream sequence we start with? No, this isn't a dream, this is a this is a trick. This is a

Valentine laid trick. Oh that's right. So what we're looking unfortunately almost worse. It's it is not a an ill fated future seeing dream of a bunch of dead would be shadow Hunters who have dreamt who have drunk from the Mortal Cup. It's an actual bunch of dead human beings who have drunk from the Mortal Cup strewn across

the top of the ship. Yeah. Yeah, we get to see the Shape Shifter ruin for the first time or for the second or third time, but it's one of the first times you see the shape the Shape Shifter run correct. I think the only time we saw it before this was the when Lydia Brandwell shows up. Yeah, that becomes very influential in our story moving forward. But yes,

this is this is fun. So this is like when we started season two, we knew there's been some changes, There's been some passing of the batter and I suppose from one to another, and we knew that there was a very different tone that we were going to try and set, and we count and I especially got to dive into this very quickly with our new stunt, It's True, led by Darren McGuire, Dean cock CoV and a whole host of other fantastic guys. I ended up with Aaron as my double, who was amazing. I had Mary as

Becker's who is also incredible. M we had we had an amazing group of people, which is very very cool. And this we get see very early on, like in the first ten seconds of season two. We get to see the difference. We get to see what the intention of the show is going to be for the for the rest of the run, which is cool. Starting with we have a new host of weapons steel or well, they wouldn't have been steel, they would have been Adamus in the story, but they were made out of stainless steel.

When we were seeing them in their pretty form, and when we were fighting with them, they were made out of Yeah, it's just a different look to the weapons, the different interpretation of what the atomus is, and and because Adams is described as a glowing supernatural metal in the books, and so in season one we saw them look kind of more on the tone of lightsaber esque, where the actual blade itself glows all the time, And in season two we got to to deepen that almost

and and now we have these blades that, as Dom said, looked like stainless steel, but the rooms glow and the light the angelic light almost dances across them when they are imbued with you know, the power of a shadow hunter ended. I think it's a great alternative interpretation to it, but one that almost has more more to it, more kind of depth than and play. I agree, And we ended up so there's a great standoff here with between Jason Valentine. So this is the first time we were

using these swords. And what's funny about these is so when you see the camera's panel along the swords, this wonderful shot there, these swords are actually quite heavy, these ones, in particular, the longer versions of these swords are quite heavy, and you're holding it steady. For as long as you're holding it steady, it starts to wobble, and it's a very close shot. And what we ended up having to do is silk Jack of all trades, who ends up being one of our wonderful directors, but was our first

dad on this. He held the tip of the sword as soon as the camera had cleared and it's steadied the blade, which made the shot look incredible. And then obviously we switched to the rubber blades and and we moved on. But this is cool, This was a cool like setting of the tone. I think for me, this whole section of this episode, we were really started to see like, oh, this is this is where we want to be, this is where we want to be aiming.

And for me, that was very exciting. Absolutely, And I think we would be remiss if we were talking about this opening scene if we didn't touch on the boat and the storm and the heat. So we were shooting this episode in August, which, if you have never been to Toronto, Toronto and August is right next to one of the Great lakes, and it's very hot and very humid, and there's lots of thunderstorms, which are beautiful. But we were shooting on a metal cargo ship in in the harbor,

in the lake. And one thing that you don't realize is when there's a thunderstorm on a lake, you can see it from miles away. And we saw what we saw was this massive thunderstorm rolling was this episode? That was? That? Was this episode? No, this was the heat episode. You were you were so close half right. Forget what I

said about the storm. We're just gonna say it was really hot and the arms day, Um, it was hot though it was hot, but Not only was I dodging blades in the whole of that ship, I was dodging giant swaths of sweat that were flying off of the two of you as you really really worked hard. We didn't know it got so hot in the belly of that ship that we didn't know we were sweating because the sweat was coming out as at the same temperature as outside of our bodies, which is actually fairly dangerous.

I think that's hypothermia with aner hyper thermia is that's like the stage you get to hyperthermias when you get too cold. Hyperthermia is when you can't cool your body with your own sweat. I'm pretty sure, although I'm not a doctor, so I don't know what understand, but I'm pretty sure that's the difference between the two. And that's where we were getting to that stage where because we were in this This coat I actually still own. I don't know if I'm not to say that, but I do.

I still own this coat, and I absolutely adore it's now my motorcycle jacket. I absolutely love it. But it is hot. It's hot on my motorcycle. It was hot on that boat. It's hot when you're trying to do a sword fight. It looks amazing. Is this gorgeous John Varvedos coat that we were lucky and to get on the show. Absolutely stunning. But man, was that hot that day.

This whole day of filming was a nightmare. And credit to you, Cat, because at least when we're we're doing it, we have the adrenaline like funneling us through and you just sort of stood there watching for a lot of it. So credit to you for for keeping going. Oh I was fine. I mean, the secret to this particular leather jacket, which I also own, they had taken all of the lining out of it, so it was basically just a leather shell and very very thin kind of soft leather.

So it wasn't as warm as y'all. But on top of that, I was just grateful to not be I never thought I would say this in my life, but I was grateful to just be able to be standing there and dodging things. And because I could take off my jacket, I could do all these things. I was not wired into anything the way that you all were. Yeah,

it was hot. After we've killed Valentine or you have killed Valentine a few times, we find ourselves in the whole of the ship, which is sort of Valentine's menagerie of oddities and mutations, as I like to call it. And interestingly enough, these ship walls that eastern our studio. Later we're pushed together to become Hunter's Moon. That's true. Yeah, they do become the Hunter's Moon in in like two episodes time. They become Hunter's Moon, which is very cool.

And if you keep an eye out for actually you can kind of see this like belly of a ship's style walling. And I think in the Hunter's Moon, isn't it even still at an angle? It was? It was still at an angle? Do you want to know the funniest thing though? I was in London a few weeks ago. I was walking down the street. There's a bar called Hunter's Moon in London. No, yeah, really, I fully stopped and when do I do? I go in? Am I going to find the Shadow Hunters inside? Yeah? You wouldn't

see them? But where where is where it was near? It was like near Paddington, near notting Hill and I was just wandering through it. It It was this random bar at a side street. They'd never even know. Wow, they go next time we're in London, We'll have to check it out and see if we can hunt down some supernatural creatures. I was like, I'm not a ag with this. I'm trying trying to catch up with where we work. There were so many changes that happened at the beginning

of season two, so the ruins are different. This is a big The ruins are different, which I personally am a big fan of. I'm a big fan of the the black, the very dark coloring on the skin. It looks I think it's very aesthetic. And then it also it plays when with the activation of like the orange and later on the gold, and the disparity between those

two colors looks really fantastic. But also the circle room is now a scar, like a very deep sort of burnt scar rather than the bright red, the bright red circular image, which is called what else? What else? I mean my hair color, first of all, isn't totally your hair color is a big one. Actually my hair went through some changes also, But I think the biggest difference is the color of the show and the tone itself. You know, in season one, the color was very vibrant,

it was bright. It was always me on in certain elements, which which played into the supernatural of the show and sort of the the mythological and the fantastical. But I think something that, you know, because it was now free Form and because we had these new show runners, we were given the opportunity to ground the show a little bit. And something that I think Todd and Darren saw an opportunity to do was give the show a maturity that

it didn't have the opportunity to do previously. And because the show had been a success in season one and free Form had a little bit more trust and faith in what we were doing moving forward, they kind of gave us the go ahead to push the envelope for what the network was and to push the envelope for what the show had been conceptualized as to add the sort of gravitas of grit and darkness and more of the jewel tone colors as opposed to the bright, vibrant ones.

And I think it lends itself. Yeah, it's yeah. It fully made the show adult. It made this show much more adult than season one. And I think what was clever about is we really did move kind of with our audience. Like our audience aged we aged everyone, It aged up it brought everything sort of to a place where I think everyone was more on board with this is this is what we're trying to achieve, and I think that's really cool. Wow, our show has thirteen wins

and twenty three nominations. Do you know that I do? Isn't that fantastic? Wow? I was just looking that up on IMDb because I'm trying to find something. But you know, but between people's stories and Teen Choice and Glad Awards and all that other stuff. Yeah, wow, that's incredible. Thank you Shadow fa. Yeah, we didn't get any of this just by doing our thing. It was all you guys. Really, so Cat, you keep talking for a bit, because I am now you're on the hunt. This is the hunt.

I'm on the hunt for something. Yeah, I'm on to your point. I think it lends itself to the story as well, because in the first season, Claire is just coming into this world and it's it's all new and everything sort of magic and glitter and fantasy and creatures.

But in season two there's there's real steaks, and there's real investment, and her heart is fully in this world and all of these connections have been made between Jason Clary and Jocelyn Luke and Simon is now part of this world and the bit of the for lack of a better word, the glamour of what this world is has been stripped away, and so it almost it's almost indicative of her perspective of this world as well as we dive in further to see the consequences and and

sort of what is at steak moving forward, and I think, you know, in season three, we get even darker, we get to see a little bit more of that. It's it was a very fratuitous personification of her Psyche. I guess, yeah, yeah, I think it does follow the narrative really love love Lily and if that's the word, drink wine in Italy.

But to move forward and to keep going as we are wont to ramble on, we get into the belly of the ship and Valentine has also been glamored as Clary and so all of this, oh help me, help me, is you know, it's all a lie. It's all a big lie. Poor Jason. Jason really goes through it this season and then it's like it comes season Like halfway through season two, I was like, oh, things will get better after, you know, than it didn't. And then come season three, I was like, yeah, maybe it'll get better

this and it just doesn't. It just never gets better for Ja's all the way until like the last scene and then the last scene of the whole show, and then you're like, oh maybe and yeah maybe real Oh no, oh my goodness, oh my goodness. I know, but it's again, instead of things getting better for Ja's, I think they

just get worse for other people as well. And so it doesn't, you know, like it gets a lot worse for Clarity, and it gets a lot worse for Alec, and it gets a lot worse for Magnus in certain other characters, and then you know, essentially, and Simon has it at a time, Isabelle has a time where we'll go through it, I know, but we'll get to that. It's so hard for us not to talk about this Simon scene. But there are so many that one in particular, which we have spoken about briefly where I think when

we had Alberta one I hope we did. It would have been would have been remiss if we didn't. But I think we're gonna get to that more later, I hope. So because there are there are also so many Simon scenes that are just brutal. Like season one, he had that one hellish scene that both was hard for Simon and for Alberto, and then they those just kind of kept coming throughout, which is poor guy, poor guy. Well back to poor guy and poor shadow Hunters. We are

back after that harrowing opening sequence. We are back at the Institute with Alec, Izzy, Magnus, and Lydia prepping for their mission to find Chase. But Alec is having a bit of a time because he doesn't feel Jason the paratype bond, which I mean, that's what I have on my brief as. No, I'm saying I agree with you, No, he doesn't. He doesn't feel Jason. I'm not disagreeing with you. Sorry, No, I'm saying no. I agree by saying no, which is a strange way of agreeing. But I know he doesn't

feel jas through the bond. Which did that end up being because I was over water? Is that what that was? I think, and I think properly over water. It was the tracking over water, and I think we we also surmised that Valentine's wards had something to do with it, that he was putting Oh yeah, the face melting shield, that whole thing, oh yeah, thing around the boat, right, poor guy, But that's what that's what we ended up calling it, Yeah, because they were we were like, it's

one of those things. We'll get to that in a minute, but like it's one of those interesting things where it's like when you have the c g I team, which was we have folks. Yeah. So another thing we must talk about is not only did we have an amazing new stunt team come in with Darren McGuire and the

McGuire brothers, but we also had folks. The effects with Philip t. Volts historically was pronouncing his French last name, but we'll French crenatid in last name, but we'll have to have him on the show so he can definitely se just that. But they came in for season two and took everything that we've done with season one with visual effects and built upon it and deep in it. And my favorite thing about Philip is that he was

constantly fixing things that didn't need to be fixed. Everything that they did was amazing, But I remember even with every demon and every portal and the face melting shield and all of these things, he would come to me and go, I made this better, Like Philip, it looks fantastic. What could you possibly make it? He goes, no, no, no no, no, no, it's better. Now it's cool enough. Have a look at this like wow, Andy, like we're going to do this and this and this, but like this is how it

looks now, because it's that's that's the interesting thing. When you're doing a show with so much C G. I, you don't know what it's going to look like. A lot of times you don't know what it's going to look like. And the difference we found when we had Philip is he would describe to us like he knew what this was before we got to set on the day, so he would describe it to us in full detail. And that I remember him describing it to me. I was like, we're gonna push this guy's face into something

like what's gonna happen? What's that going to look like? And he was like, imagine, it's like magic sand paper. It's just going to melt his face. And I was, oh, all right, well now I get it. Cool, okay, great, And then we did the thing and then they put his makeup on and I was like, oh, sure enough, yeah, we mounted his space. That's not sand paper, grand got it.

So now Magnus is assuring Alec that they're going to find Jay's and I have to just say, this could us to the characters in this case, because we have just come out of the almost wedding and you still have Lydia, Alecan Magnus. We're working together to try and

accomplish gold. This is a testament to the shadow Hunters and to these creatures in the shadow world that were able to go, Okay, I almost married you, but instead you came in and ruined the wedding, and I'm stuck in the middle, and I don't know what's going to happen to any of this, honestly, side for a minute, Idia sorts her ship out so fucking quickly, like if we remember what just happened, she got left at the altar by arguably the most handsome man in the world

to maybe go end up with the other most handsome man in the world, and she's just sort of left there on our own. She goes back and she's like, I'm gonna go to address. Everything's cool. I'm just gonna go back to address. I'm gonna brush this off, everything's fine. She gets knocked out by the world's worst fucking traitor, gets like the key to the death Star taken from her,

and get sent to the bad guy. That's where we left Lydia unconscious on the floor, and the next time we see her, she's like, Hey, it's good, I'm taking care of it. Let's go Lydia. But talk about our strong women sorting their ship out, like, let's go, let's go Lydia. Yeah. Well, speaking of other strong women sorting their ship out, we have Clarie and Jocelyn reunited. Jocelyn who's been in a comma magically induced comma for an

entire season. Basically, it's now awake and we are dealing with all of the family drama that that ensues of Clary going hi, mom Um, I love you, thank you for being alive, but why did you lie to me for eighteen years? And what's with the brother and the box and all of it? Now? Yeah, I kill things and I kind of kissed my brother for a minute. But we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna sort that. Until you see my best friend's teeth. We already him up.

That's honestly, I thought That scene was so funny because we it's so funny when you do a show like this when you get brought away from everyone. So like, I spend the first three episodes of this series not with you guys at all, for like six weeks. I only interacted with you socially. I didn't see what was happening work wise. So I got to see the first his cheeky little smile and his vampire fang pop out.

I want to see that for the first time. When they released the trailer, that's when I got to see it, and it's it's actually a really cool sensation. I had to any thing on Penny where you would read, you know, you'd read the story, but I didn't know. I didn't know what was going on with anything because Nathan storyline and Danny's storyline and a lot of nats storylines, they were all completely separate. I was just with Thomas Henchman and with Michael Gladys, so I knew what happened with us.

But then when I saw all the other stuff, You're like, wow, this is how it ended up looking. That's so cool. Anyway, back to the Shadow Hunters show, the current show that we're talking about on this podcast. Sorry, I digress. It's it's the b That's okay. There's a lovely reunion here between the family that we saw at the beginning. It's sort of a flashback or a call back, as it were, to the opening scene in the apartment with the spray paint and oh yeah, it's Clari, it's your birthday. You're

going to have a great adventure. A lot's going to happen to you in your life. We have another scene going, hey, mom, so um like Carol everything, And here's a box of my brother's stuff. His name is Jay's. By the way, you're going to meet hibout kis him, but I'm not gonna tell it right now. And Simon's got some new stuff, and Luke is cool but maybe not in the best rooms at the police anymore. But you know, we're going

to fade that up. Then get a phone call, as it were, and we have to get to the opp center now, and then we have powerhouse Nicola standing at the top of our stairs talking to the entire Shadow Hunters New York Institute. We are at war. I remember the so so from the trailer so many times on my Instagram. I think that trailer is the most watched thing I have up. I think it has like a million plus views just just this trailer for season two. We are at war, Valentine now has the Mortal Cup

and one of our own has joined him. Was the opening of that, and it was such a good trailer, was so well done. I do every time I watch it. It It was such an exciting thing for us because it's also nerve wracking, like we rebranded our show almost entirely, so the fact that it was successful enough to get a the season two and then we're going to change

it is a scary thing because we don't know. Now maybe what was made season one successful is what made season one successful, and we're going to turn our backs on that. We just don't know. Unfortunately, everyone loved it, but it was it was. It always fills me with a little adrenaline because I remember that moment when I watched it for the first time ago, Oh my god,

I love it. I hope everyone else loved it. But one of absolutely one of the reasons I feel that everyone loved it so much is because we brought in some new characters and the new elements to the show, one of which which I think really sort of solidified this gravitas that the show had in in season two onward. Is Victor alder Tree, played by the lovely Nick Segar, who has introduced in this scene. He is not a character in the books, and he is one that they

have created for show. He might be mentioned once or twice in a in a place, but they really fleshed out his character and brought him in in a huge way. And he is the new head of the New York Institute because the light Woods have been ousted in a way because of you know, various societal and all kinds of ship, all kinds of stuff, mostly my fault, but you know, I digress. It doesn't really help that Alex

parabatize on Valentine's side either. It's you know, we got We've got a few few things that make the light that's not the ideal people to run the Institute at the moment. That he's such an interesting character to me because he comes in being you know, touted as one of the best of the best, but really, as we know, becomes one of the worst of the worst, you know, the devil within as it were. Excuse me, I really

don't think he treats me particularly poorly. Isabel is bad, but don't towards the end, doesn't he end up being I actually don't remember how this story round itself out. We're going to find out. I remember we are, and it's exciting for me because I don't remember. But I feel like towards the end, maybe it's just because I like Nick a lot and the Nick is one of my bodies, and I'm like, because Nick is the sweetest guy.

He's like such a nice Segar is one of the most wonderful, warm, lovely people we've ever had on the show. I remember his first day on set. We had a big chunk of a break because we have we have a scene later in this episode that's just the two of us, and we had probably one of those days on set where we had like two three hours just to sit and talk because they were doing other things

and we had nothing else to do. And it was one of my favorite conversations on that set, just because he was so new, but so I just felt comfortable instantly from the time he walked on this that we just you know, we know the Shadow film and certain people come on set and just instantly fall into the family.

And it was immediately. Yeah, he just had the right energy and just came in so willing to play and so willing to to be excited about the world and be excited about his character and how he fit into the world. And it's it's really nice when you have people come in and are ready to play. Yeah. Yeah, we're very lucky in that respect. Absolutely, where does this take us? Where do we move on too? Torture? Down

world torture? This was interesting. This is like the first time I met Matt Hastings, or like one of the first times we've been on set together. And I was supposed to be naked for this scene. I don't know if you remember in the script originally I was naked Little Jay's but was supposed to be in Jase But you're supposed to see Jayson's but and it in it

when you new. Scenes are weird because you go into your trailer and there is just an array of like what looked like kind of coin purses just just for your stuff. You put them in a coin person you pull a little draw string and then that's going to keep all your stuff safe. And then like a series of thongs, like skin colored thongs for men and that

is the other option. And I remember being like episode one, this is what this is what we're going to end up doing, and Matt ended up coming to me and going, this is kind of weird her and I was like, look, it's in the script, like I we've discussed it. I'm happy to do it. And he was like, I think it's weird. Let's put you in pants. I was like, thank fucking God, that would have been very odd. One of those things I will tell you about this scene.

It took a long time, and it was really hard work because throwing your head around it sort of leaves you with like a whiplash feeling like it's it's actually quite pretty tough. And Rob Archer is, you know, this giant human being. He's like six nine or six ten. He's massive, and he's in the most incredible shape, and he's just this gentle giant. And my hands are my hands are physically linked up like this right, so I can't take them down. They're actually there are physically locked

into cuffs. They're not fake cuffs. So if I there's nothing I can really do to defend myself. So it's this thing we keep coming back to about trust. You have to trust this person isn't gonna hit me in the face, because if Rob Archer hit me in the face, he's gonna take my head off, like he's a big dude. And he he made contact with my face one time. One time. We filmed this for about six hours. One time he made contact with my face and all it was he went and just touched the end of my nose.

That was it. In six hours, he must have thrown five punches at me. And that was the closest to guard. It was when we were getting a little more confident and when I trusted him and he trusted me to do everything. And he even said he was like, I got you there a little hot, and I was like, dude, you are skin barely touched. But that's how good he was, That's how amazing he was at this. And we get to see Rob Archer again a little later on in season two, but we get to see him again. You

were the demise of Rob Archer. Yes, yes, yes, it was. I remember that story. I was texting me currently and I wonder what he's saying. Let's see what is he doing? Just no, nothing, It's just an idiot. I love him. That man. Good lord. Yes, torture scene. We get tortured, and dear old Dad comes in and says, let's be friends. And I'm like you, buddy, yeah, you're like the friends.

This is not how what I don't understand? This isn't I feel like Valentine doesn't know how to make friends very well, and he really his idea of friendship is, Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna trick you into turning you into a werewolf, or I'm going to torture you under under all these circumstances, or I'm going to inject demon blood into your womb and it's gonna be great. We're such good friends. Yeah. Yeah, by the way, your boyfriend's or brother hunh yeah. Friends. And then just kind of dispays away.

That's not trust and being a confidant. That's just messing up everyone's lives. Great out, I know. But speaking of trust and confiding in people, alder Tree really gives it a go here with Clary and gets Clary in his office and says, all right, let's talk. I'm here for you. I'm the new authority figure. I know that it's been a lot, but let's let's have a conversation because I'm here to help you, gives her a cup of tea, and instantly Clary's little spidy shadow huntry senses or tangling going.

I have been taught enough by Jason the rest of the shadow Hunters to know that the Clave is not necessarily where you put your trust right away, but she does use it as an opportunity. Unfortunately, Victor alder Tree also uses it as an opportunity. But Claire uses it as an opportunity to try and clear Jayson's name and go, no, you don't understand. Jason didn't choose this. I didn't choose this. Unfortunately, we got the wool pulled over our eyes by Valentine.

He was three steps ahead of us, and no matter what we do, we were in an impossible situation and we got screwed. So let's really happy you don't know that you are running on faith there, Clary, because I remember having the conversation at the end of season one. I knew what I was doing, and Addictive knew what I was doing, and Michael Reese knew what I was doing. The three of us had that conversation and nobody else did.

Nobody else knew if I was going to get the cup, or if I was going because maybe he's right, maybe this is where I belong to present. But I think the headspace that Clarie was at the time is knowing Jays's heart and knowing that even if he is under the impression of this is the right thing to do, that's not really who Jason is, and that's and he can be. We have to We have to bring him back before he goes too far, before he does something

he can't undo, before we lose him entirely. Be it as Alex Parabatane my brother or yeah, either way, we have to get him back because he is not Valentine's He is not of that. He's not evil, you know he is. He is good, and he inherently is one of one of us, as it were of us, one of us. Also, Nick looks amazing in that soup little sidebar, that's all I'm looks fantastic. Now this next scene, I have a bone to pick with Valentine, and this is something that I will always be bitter about. I have

a few bones to pick. But you go nuts this, I mean, this is this is one that you know, you and and Luke and Will all have experienced, and I never got to. Valentine makes all of his sons pasta, and you get the special Pecorino pasta. He never makes it for Clary, not once. He does in the books, but not in our show. It was only father something. You had a mom, Yeah, but I didn't get the Valentine pasta you had. You had a mom, You had Nicola. I had Nicola from when I was ten until I

was ten. It was just torture and training and dead falcons and a little would have pastor every now and then. Yeah, I would have taken no pasta and no training and no dead falcons if I'm honest. And a mom. Yeah, I just would have liked a mom. Yeah, I would have liked to have a mom. Yeah, for sure. This was a fun scene though. This was the first time where Alan and I really got to play with each other, like we really got to understand how each other work.

And we got to do a lot of this throughout season two, especially obviously at the beginning of these first three episodes where it's just us together and he the thing about Alan and I think the trick to acting in general, and it sounds really obvious. It's gonna sound really stupid and really basic, but it's just to make you believe. It's just to make you believe what you're doing. And I watched my performances sometimes and go, I know

what I was thinking. I can see what I was thinking, and that's why it doesn't mean it means I wasn't feeling it, Whereas with Alan, I never think that. I always think and I know that that one of my flaws is that I'm very highly critical of what I do. And I think that's an act of thing as well. You just are highly critical. But Alan, Alan is just in line with what he does, like he makes you believe that he believes it. And again a strange thing because he's just a big old softie Allen. He's just

a nice guy. He's a really really nice, caring dude. He's a great father and real life, evidently not so much in the show, but in real life he's a wonderful father to Logan, who's turning into the most amazing young man. You know, he just turned eighteen or nineteen, Logan. Oh my gosh, that crazy met him when he was like eleven or twelve when we first met him. Crazy, But yeah, That's one of my favorite things about Alan as he does you just believe it when you're working,

you just fully believe it. Anyway, we almost stab him and then we don't have pastor that's how that scene ends, and then we end up with Magnus and which we haven't talked much about this episode, but it's interesting because the last time we saw them, they were really happy because they had finally admitted their feelings to each other, and they were, Oh, yeah, love is great. It's going to be tricky, but love is great. And now it's the kind of part of the relationship the real world.

It's so yes, this is and this is part of what we did in season two is that real grounding of what relationships are in reality. But we did leave them in the end of season one, didn't they say something like, funk, we should go on a date. We haven't been on a date. Yeah, I just threw my life away for you, and you've just announced your love for me, and like we should see if like we actually like each other. And that, I think is where

this tumultuousness comes from. Like it in my head, it tracks like completely that they're like, it completely tracks you know what I mean, yeah, but it's it's the fact that they haven't had an opportunity to figure out what this relationship is and all and and and exactly, and now they're having to, you know, save the world and save his paramatite. And we're finding that, you know, because they haven't had a chance to really bond other than

this kind of chemistry that they've had initially. There they have disagreements on the ways in which they handle crises. You know. Alec wants to find Jay's, wants to tract James wants to do if Jay's dies, I die. We have to figure this out, but Magnus won't do it because the last time they tried it, Alec almost died. And Magnus is going, I just got you. I'm not going to lose you. We can we can deal with, you know, losing We can deal with all of this.

There there are other ways. And Alex is so because it's it's Jays and it's his paramotite, and he hasn't arguably because Jason was off for Clary and Alec was dealing with his own things Lydia. They haven't been there for each other. And I think Alec is having a lot of guilt about that and really regretting the separation because you two had a bit of a fissure at the end of last season, which you brought back together, but there was a good chunk of time where you're

sort of on opposite sides of the same playing field. Yeah. Yeah, which again is something I'm glad that we didn't really get in season two, that that we only experienced that real tension really the one time. Yeah. Am I right in saying that? Yeah, I'm right in saying that because we in season two we got to play with it a lot more. When you get to season two of a show, you as the actor have a little more

I guess responsibility over your character and stuff. So we got to we got too then at that point be a little more like, let's sort of make some of these decisions rather than waiting for someone to Hellos to make these decisions, Like we're allowed to do things like there was there's a scene that comes up later on and Alec walks in and I don't even see him, and before he's before he's arrived, I'm like, what's wrong?

And we because we had that discussion of like I could sense that there was something wrong with him, you know what I mean? And that was that was something that Matt and I got to toy with and play with, and that is something that kind of comes in in season one. You well, at least in my experience, you're sort of having your handheld through everything, like this is how we're doing it, this is the tone of the shows,

is what we're doing, and that's fine. And in season two you get a little more like, Okay, I fully get this guy now, like you laid the groundwork for me, and now I know who this person is because I lived them for a year and we get to sort of toy with it a little bit after this scene, we get our first look at thank you again, Philip, the hollow table, the holographic tables that we end up using a whole bunch the war tables, yeah, which that's ended up being our cool sheet that it was just

like where are we doing this scene? It just said the war table, interior war table, and we're like, great, we know exactly where that is. And we got to have these like holograms come in that we could actually interact with. Obviously, the holograms weren't actually there because that technology doesn't exist yet, but more is the pity. M hm. You can make one. You can make one with like a prism. We've seen this happen on YouTube. You can make one, but it's not obviously, it's just like you

can't actually interact with it. But we got to the shadow Hunters are more advanced than us, evidently, we got to interact with these, and I think they are the coolest addition to the institute other than getting rid of all the glass. So it wasn't a fucking nightmare to ship. Yeah. Well, and and now the institute is all on one floor.

So did you remember they used to have to put the ramp up and push so the dollies that cameras are on, it's sort of these big like they almost look like a scissor lift there, and it's kind of what it is. It's like a big sciss lift, but it's so heavy. It weighs like a ton, really heavy. It's like the side of the weight of a small car. And they had to push it up, you know, four stairs up this ramp and it took like six people to get it up there. Every time it's an absolute nightmare.

And now it's all on one level, so that that issue is just completely mixed, which is great. Now it's talking about issues. There's another huge issue that I had forgotten until you watched this episode. Not only does alder Tree come in and go, you know, Jay's has wanted dead or alive. This is you know, the words a war on Valentine and a war on Jay's. He also goes, hey, your downworlder buddies, get out of the institute. You're not

welcome here. And this is something that you know, we had worked really hard in season one to to bring people together and to bring the down world into the Institute and make everyone comfortable, and alder Tree goes, not

get out you know of there, get out of there. Yeah, that's it's He really does try and drive a wrench between these allies that have been founded over the course of season one, and it's, uh, it's It's one of those elements that I absolutely love because you have Nick, who's just the most charming individual, come in and say in the most charming and yet most passive aggressive way, get out about get out and he that's what's so good about Nick, And I think what's good about any

villain is they have to be charismatic like you have to. There has to be a part of you that's like I kind of believe him. And I don't know if it's the accent or the handsomeness the suit. Maybe I don't know what it is, but like I kind of get it. I kind of believe what you're saying, even though it's terrible. And I think Nick did a very very good job of of being charismatic. He's just a

charismatic guy. And next we have this scene between Luke and Simon where I love I love the buddy carp element and the father's son elements Luke and Simon I got to say a little bit in season one, but it only deepens in season two as Luke is helping Simon even more become accustomed to his new powers and

his new skills. And it's it's nice that we can keep at least the down world together in a certain way, although although we do see in this scene the the werewolves aren't really used to having a vampire around all the time, and sort of that thing of like all right, buddy, you've been hanging out here a lot, like enough, this is a lot. We don't know how we feel about this. Yeah, we're not quite there yet. We're gonna work on it, but we're not quite there having you like in our house.

We're not just you know, it's it doesn't work quite that way, but it's it's nice. It's I I like, the two of them together did such a good job and they had such a beautiful chemistry with each other that I think it really it really parallels this, like the unwelcomeness of the werewolves. Also him trying to Encanter in this scene. It's the best. It's it's such a gift that we Alberto not only has such emotional depth, but his comedic timing and his comedic skills are so brilliant.

This this sort of Jedi mind trick, because if you think about it, if you were supposed to be a vampire for the first time and you're trying to figure it out, that would be the only frame of reference

that you would have for something like Incanda. And so he's doing this whole Jedi mind trick hand motion and doing the the you know, it's not the dry you're looking for, like this one, this weird little thing that he does because it's like it's like when Spider Man tried first tries to and he's when Toby Maguire does it, and he tries like a bunch of different like hand things to do, and I just can't figure it out.

And that's what Simon's doing, is like, I know there's a way to do this, I just don't know which one of these if I put it together, works And he did an amazing job. And then he finds himself in the boat basin and he spends a lot of time in this boat basins, thet basin. No body and now we're back in the boat. But this is do

you want to do? You want to tell us a little bit dumb because I again I wasn't here on set this day, But do you want to tell us a little bit about sunglasses guy and about the rest of the guy blessed his heart, So like we had, we had two D background background, all training together and all doing a very good job. It was very, very hot this day. I have been changed, actually I think it happened in the last scene, but I was changed into this fucking sweater that I absolutely hated, and Shelly

and I used to laugh about. Shelley was our costume designer. Anyway, it was a hot day and everyone's doing there, you know, they're one two punches this and this poor guy showed up in sunglasses because it's obviously very bright and he had just had lasik it turns out, and had to protect his eyes, which is fine, but it was very obvious that one of our background was wearing ray bands and it sort of stood out on the whole thing, and it was that obviously couldn't be the case, so

they had to take care of it. But overall, I think this scene turned out. This was a very very cool scene because again we're out on the boat and to have this many people all kind of in unison doing something like for the idea to transcend the popularity of two D people is cool and everyone kind of got it and it was it's a cool thing to do. This scene was actually another originally, and what we filmed

was another. He grabs my hand and he shows me another little little vision and I can't remember what the vision was, something about my childhood, but that ended up getting cut. How interesting. So it's just sort of him and I talking and then we get to melt some faces, not in the musical sense, in the actual melting. Well.

This is again you know, it's a huge testament only to our stunt team, but to the rest of the VFX team and everything else as we move forward into this and as we dive into the depth of the brutality of what this is going to be, because really this is the season where Valentine has power now, and so because Valentine has power totality and the steaks are raised, you know, the bad guy has the cup and and the one of the chosen ones, and we are all

scrambling to play catchup. But then what that goes into is again, if we're talking about stunts, my huge first experience with the McGuire brothers stunt team, which was this training scene between Clarie and Isabelle and I had thought with Swords season one and I've done one fight scene with the bow Staff, but when we got the McGuire brothers in, they really sat down with their team and taught us everything we hadn't had time to learn in

season one. And I remember from pre production to this fight, I was training with the bow Staff getting ready for this fight with isabel and we had the best time doing it. And actually Emerald and I were able to do the majority of this fight scene ourselves, and obviously you know that for some of the tricks and some of the aerial stuff and the hard falls, they brought in our amazing stunt doubles who stayed with us for the rest of the course of the series. Emerad looks

so good. She's she's so natural with this bow staff. It really like the whip is hard work because it's even if you're the best in the world at a whip, every now and then it just does what it fucking wants and normally she just had to handle and that doesn't do anything. And you know, she this, she looked really at home with this bow staff, and I'm really glad this is this became one of her like core

elements kind of. But one thing I didn't realize until I rewatched this episode is that there's such a cool element to the shadow Hunters world of how we find ways to have quote unquote private conversations because the Clave is always watching and the Institute is one of those places. It's like a high school. Everybody hears everything, everyone knows everything, there's always someone around a corner. And yet Isabella is so clever and that she finds a way to get

her idea and her message through to Clary. She does in training her in going, look, we're the only time that we are going to be left alone is if we're fighting, So get in here. I'm going to quote unquote train you, which you also need because your baby shadow Hunter, but also I'm going to give you an idea. I'm going to see if I can trust you and

see if I can plant this seed. And it's the beginning of this Clary and Isabel partnership as well, as we continue to see it grow and sort of foreshadowing things to come that we see later on in future season. Right. But there there's a nice cat and mouse to the scene as well, and you get to see the skill of of both of these women. And that's what I love about these training scenes as well, is that no one has ever made the fool of and no one

ever looks weaker than the other person. In these scenes, you see these two people fighting and they each get one up on each other occasionally, and clearly Isabel has the training and the skill in the years of experience, but Clary keeps up to an extent, and it's it's nice to kind of see that balance when you come into these scenes and again that's a testament to the McGuire brothers and the way that they so beautifully weave

story into every fight scene. It's you know, it's always a story without a story without a story with them, and it's so characterful and it's so based in everything that we're trying to get across to the audience, and it adds so much more to a story than people just hitting each other with things. Yeah. Yeah, We've got these amazing videos from the McGuire brothers that Darren, mostly Darren would would film them, and God, I missed that

man so desperately. I reached out to him fairly often and we just chat that he just the excitement that he felt for for being a part of something like this is so inspiring. It watching him like if there was ever a day that we were I can only speak for myself, but if there was ever a day that I was tired and I was kind of over it, and it happened really rarely, very very rarely, but I would look at Darren and I would see his excitement and his joy and it's almost like juvenile. It's almost

like childlike. It's like joy that he feels for what he does, and it reminds me like, that's right, this is really fucking special. Even if I just had that brief moment of laps looking at Darren would remind me how special would I do is? And that's why he will forever be in my heart because I will away remember that part of him. Any who, we're back at the docks. Are we back at the docks? Oh wait,

hold on, there's this scene. There's a scene between Maris and Alec that we need to Oh, shoot, you're right to talk about you're right, you're right, you're right where Maris is ready to abandon Jace and is ready to jump on on alder Trees boat as it were, to save the family. And it's I think it's again, poor Alec. He goes through so much family conflict and he's pulled in so many different directions by the people that he

loves and just doesn't where to turn. It's it's the duty and heart, but they're so conflated in his life that it's where where does he turn? What does he do? We know, but it doesn't happen until after the scene. We do know. Now we're back at the docks, where you have alder Tree of all people waltzing up to the Jade Wolf. He's working kind of funny though, yeah, like he's not himself, almost like he's in someone else's shoes. It's very range. And my favorite thing is that Luke goes,

get off my dock, get out of here. We don't want your kind. You don't want our kind here. We don't want your kind here. And then suddenly he just breaks and goes, oh, I'm so sorry. Oh shoot, I'm sorry. I forgot I was dressed as somebody else. Yeah, and then it's Clary, which I think they so with with the shot that they did this sort of swooping han up from the wrist to the face. They were able to just gloss over the fact that Nick is so

much taller than me. We had I remember that being a thing with with the Lydia Alan switch as well the Lydian Lydia Valentine switch, like how are we going to deal with the fact that they're just not the same hight Like, how is that gonna go down? But it just worked for some reason. Well, and it's because

we weren't allowed to leave the institute. The only way to leave the institute is to be the Boss, so a little little shape drifter root and off of magic magic magic, and also I need to catch up with Sibon of course and listen to some funny time. Yeah going, hey, um, police can move it? Some help on that sor yeah no, And then Mama comes in to ruin the day I am trying to track I do love these little It's the same thing with you know baby Vampire Simon. You

have baby shadow Hunter Clary. He's trying to track Jason's gloves, trying to do all this stuff. It doesn't doesn't know what she's doing, just trying though. Yeah, there's no way, Like how do you figure that out? Like how did Superman figure out that he could fly when he was on Earth? You know what I mean? I actually think the Man of Steel did it very well where he just jumped high one time and I was like, I think I have more in me and just kind of

kept going and that was really cool. Like that's how sort of how you figure it out. Like you try and track a glove for the first time, You're like, I don't want doing there's no instructions, Like I don't know what I'm doing. It's something in me that I just need to do. It's like, how do I, how do I? How do I change my heartbeat to make this work? How's that possible without any training? It's not possible.

It's not. But some thing else I love about the Shadow World is that, yes, we have all these magical elements, but but we also use the most human of things. Where Justin's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, this is such a good idea. I'm so glad you have the glove by and just runs and locks them in the boat base. So childish, Come on, man, so childish. So I have now caught up to a scene where I think, for the first time, we see what incredible shape Harry is in.

And it's just always in this shape, is always in this shape. It's like mind blowing that he is just always in this shape. I don't know how he finds the time where he does it, because he puts so much work into his work and his family as well. He's just always in this shape. It is absolutely astounding. But also almost as impressive as the shape that Harry

is in is that we change the magic. We changed what his magic looks like, and it looks like energy, it looks like something that he's formulating and he has this sort of tai chi thing that he's doing out on the bowl me he's meditating almost with his magic. And I remember seeing this scene for the first time and thinking it as the coolest fucking thing. It looks so good from Harry's movements to the matching of that with the CG and turning it into something that's really

beautiful and aesthetic to watch. It's a really really cool scene. And then they get to this is this is a very human, normal non TV relationship conversation when things get difficult, don't push me away, very very normal. It's a very normal conversation. As is they want to push someone away, they want to keep someone at a distance when you have an issue. It's unfortunately very it's very masculine, which

is a shame. It's it's something that it has sort of been bred into us, that is, like, we can deal with this problem. We don't need anyone else to come in and help. And I think this generation is sort of the first generation to really be looking into things like men's mental health and the fact that we do need help, and we do need someone to hold our hands every now and then, or just someone to talk to or turn to. And I think this this

scene is a really important version of that. Whether it's a love boyfriend, a girlfriend, a parent, a friend, whoever it is, we as men have to understand that it is absolutely okay to ask for that help. And this seems embodies that really beautifully. And I think that's a really lovely thing. Yeah. And that's the thing about Magnus and Alec is they were able to establish that so early. This is the point in which they established that so

early in their relationship. And they don't make the perfect choice every time moving forward, but the fact that they have this conversation early on and go I'm here and I'm not going anywhere, so it don't push me away is it's beautiful and it's they have such a lovely, healthy relationship. It's so nice because nobody else on the show does. No, this is the normal relationship of the show. Yeah. And now we're back to the boat basin with Simon

throwing himself into the boat basin door. What is it made of that he can't get through it with ump speak? I don't know, but it's I don't know what it is. Maybe Luke has like a special lock on it. You know, maybe it's it's denting. It looks like it's made out of wolverines boats, Like, how is it not just breaking

under the pressure anyway? This is you guys seen you guys talk well everything, it's it's it's a scene that we haven't had a chance to have in a long time, because at the beginning of season one we had all these lovely moments of Clarie and Simon going hey, remember that time, and you really get to see the human part of both of these characters and this friendship that's been there forever. That's it's your sort of parabiti adjacent but the closest thing we can get in the mundane world.

And both of these characters have been through so much, but just the fact that they have this moment to read this is the time out to re establish their friendship and to to reconnect and go that's right. I know I've hurt you and you've hurt me, and we've been through a lot together, but we're going to get through this because we're Clary and Simon, and that's what we do. He also we should also mention that Simon, it's Simon Alberto came back from season two in the

most phenomenal shape, like through that he was insane. He was in such insane shape. Um, and we're all very jealous of that. Just broke down. Oh well, this is and the door breaks down. This is the thing that happens to Simon in the first couple episodes of this season is you have all these moments where Simon is is working up the courage to tell Clary that he's in love with her because Jason is now out of

the picture. So he thinks and he's like, you know what, we're both in the same world now, I'm a vampire. He's got this new vampire mojo that you know, we get to see that's himself a little yeah yeah, and he's going, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna tell her. I'm gonna tell her that I love her. And so he goes, I'm completely and totally in the door goes yeah, oh well nu, And then I was like, oh great, yeah, hold that thought. But we gotta we gotta track Jocelyn

before he she kills my brother. With all kinds of people tracking Jace right now, so Justin is tracking Magnus and Alec and now tracking we also at the beginning of this scene. So we turn up at Paul. We do get shert lista Daria again love that. We get to see the first new portal. These new portals look amazing. They are such a step up from season one. It actually looks like matter is being transported from one place to another, and I love that, like a swirling vortex.

So Philip and folks VFX, thank you very much for for upping our game there. Anyway, we come to a vampire Den, sneaky little vampire Den, and Valentine is finally trying to manipulate Jason to this little tool that he wants him to be. After we find out later the failure of Jonathan being said. He's trying to manipulate this thing, this thing to be his new weapon. We go into Reggie's. Reggie's is full of vampires, full of weirdly sexy vampires, all covered in blood and ready to just kill everyone.

We get maybe our first slow motion fight I think it is, And this is something that wasn't it Darren's.

Was it Darren or Matt I don't remember. Maybe it was a combination of both of their brains, but this was I believe the first fight scene that we shot for season two, so it was the first time we really got to see the combination of Matt Hastings and the Maguire brothers at work and the way in which Darren at one maybe my favorite thing about Darren creatively on this show is that he really put so much thought into the movement and the actual fighting of each

supernatural creed sure and and blended different martial arts and different concepts and different weapons into each creature, so we all moved a little bit differently, and then even further with the shadow Hunters into each character. You know, each of us fought in a different way, and each creature fought in a different way, and it was all a combination of real world elements and real world technique, but in a way that was so characterful and so well

thought out. But with the vampires, that's exactly what you're you're saying, is that we had this sort of slow motion to play with slow motion to to really be indicative of the vampires speed. Do you want to tell us a little bit about how that played out? So this was actually very tricky. So because the vampires vaporize, you have to film this scene every take is three takes, So it's the first take with all of the actors,

so with me and the vampires. Then there's the second take that's just me and I have to try and track everything through and hit everything, hit every state, push and pool like it's entering a body, and then that body is disappearing to the arms them free. And then there's a third one that's just with the vampires who have to do the same thing but without me there.

And then they pair everything together with the c g I and you get the shots where the vampires aren't there because they're vaprized, and where they are there because they obviously still there, and blah blah blah. We also get to see the one and only rest as Soul, Dean Copov, who was our stunt rigger. We've spoken about him very affectionately over the course of this podcast, and he plays one of the vampires, I think, one of

the first vampires. In fact, I know I know which one he is because I get him under armed with a steak and you see his face go over and then he vaporizes. And he was the man who kept us safe for two years. He made sure that we never fell, we never were in danger. He made sure that the Ropes always had us and we miss you, buddy, we do. I mean, he was the one who I get so much and let me time attack that Dean, But he was really the one who, at least for me,

was there all the time. I used to go box with Dean three to five times a week, and he's

the one person I think. I think each one of his experienced this who you know, and all of Darren's team was so good at this, but I think we all spent the most time with Dean, and he would check in on us as people as well and just go you know, how you doing, and just be there to talk to us about anything, and really take the time to make each one of us feel like family and to feel safe, you know, not only physically but emotionally.

And that's so much of this world and so much of this industry and so much of you know, what we do every day requires that. But it's often the first thing that gets forgotten. And Dean was just the most special of of people and left such a legacy for so many people and touch so many lives, you will, We were trying to carry on that legacy, I think as much as possible right now. Yeah, but just the biggest thank you. Just I don't even know what to say other than thank you and we love you. Yeah,

mhm um, trying to move on. Um yeah um. We leave the fight, we come back out on the street and were met by everyone, the whole host of funk wits or trying to kill Jason. I'm tired of it, tired of trying to people trying to kill me the whole time. It is unacceptable. Um, who is there? So Clary? Oh no, there's a there's actually a really fun scene

with Simon. There's a funny Simon thing. And I do have to take a moment to talk about how we shot this scene because it's one of one of my favorite memories from especially this episode, because we were still learning Matt Hayes dings and we were still learning you know, this whole crew and everything else. But what made me laugh so much is that they actually shot the scene because it's vamp speed and we're running through a park.

We were in an actual park when we shop this, but they put the camera and Matt and a bunch of people on a golf cart and they floored the golf cart and drove it as fast as they could, and Alberto and I had to keep up with the golf cart but also each other, and then also balanced the dialogue with the vamp speed and with everything else. Granted, Alberto is a lot faster than I am, so I

think I think they legs got a longer legs. But also the dialogue is very true to life here of come on, we gotta go fast because we gotta find Jay's I'm a vampire. I'm going slow for you, right, that's right, Yeah, Yeah, that's right. It could have been there in a second. Yeah, it's a very very humbling moment. I also don't know though, why Clary just doesn't jump on his back and then the vamp speed pay you back. Wouldn't hows that happened before, not vamp speed. But we

used to do it, you know, he used to. But yeah, no, I think if he took off mhm, like if you would if you if the fucking airplane was going at a hundred miles an hour and you just grabbed onto

the side of it, it's just gonna rip your arm off. Like, I don't think there's a safe way of what is it in Maybe it's x men, and I thought it was a very clever thing when that when Quicksilver runs with people, he braces behind their head, he like puts their hand behind their head, because the first thing would happen is your head would whip back, right, and he

does that. So I think there's an element there of like you need to be conscious of this, this body that is not used to traveling at however many hundreds of miles an hour, right, that makes a lot of sense.

Or so it's it's a storytelling thing there. There's just times whereas like this would be so much easier if we I just jumped on your back, Like let's just for TV's sake, let's say that can't happen indeed, but now for TV's sake, we have one of these moments where we get to see all of the storylines converge. Everyone's been tracking Jays. Everyone's trying to kill Jays except Clary and Simon. They're trying. I mean, maybe Simon's trying

to kill Jase, but I really don't think so. Maybe subconsciously, I don't think. I think he's probably imagined it. But it's I think it's going to come to start board with Jase's face on it totally somewhere, Um, we get to this moment where we get to see jameson make a choice, and we get to see Jason fully in the view of everyone with a stake two of the Empire's chest and conflict. So the whole thing with this scene was and I remember shooting this and it was

so interesting. It was supposed to be entirely ambiguous, right, And what we ended up doing was the stake was dropped when she made her move. So what happened was she ran into it rather than it being necessarily Jason's choice. Although the question was always there, would Jase have done this? Would he if he was pushed far enough? Would he have done it? Anyway? Would you have broken the rules

because he knows that this vampire is bad? Which is it's like that that thing it's it's called acceptable loss? Like are you and I think again, I think we've spoken about this, like would you kill one innocent us and to save one innocent person? Probably not? Would you kill one instant person to save a hundred inscent people? Then you're starting to get on this like I don't know, I don't know what the answer is. And this is This is exactly the dichotomy that we were trying to

play with here, like should Jace kill this thing? Should jas kill this vampire? No? The answer is no. The rules are in place. You should see trial. That's what should happen. However, would he be doing the greater good if he did? Possibly, but that's not his job, that's not what he does for a living well, and we will never know because because that choice was taken away from him, and then we are we see that maybe the one we see Valentine do, the one heroic thing

he may have ever done. Is it heroic though? Is it? He does save my life? But is it heroic? Or is it manipulative? Is it another? Does he have that moment to go? This is how I get him on side, is by doing this, because in reality, if he lost me, he's creating this army. He could sort of hand pick any one of those people. But he does. He saves Jason. But at least now at this point in the story, Valentine has a soft spot for Jase. Yeah, and Jason's

is developing a soft spot for Valentine. I think I think that's the truth behind this, and it's it's so interesting to see Jocelyn make this turn, and I always wondered about this because she immediately reloads as well, yeah, oh yeah, she's going to do it again. She's she's

going in for the kill. Which it's It's a tricky thing here, isn't it, because we all end up in Jocelyn's position later on in the seasons, you more than anyone else because you actually do it, but we all end up in the position that she thinks she's in. She just has a little case of mistaken identity, that's all. Yeah, every one of us, me, Isabel, Alec, you, Magnus. We all end up in a position multiple times where we try and take the shot that Jocelyn is trying to

take and on that giant cliffhanger. I think that draws us to the end of our show. It does. It brings us to the end of the episode of we finally have found Jason, and then because of Jocelyn, you all have to jump through a portal again and we're here and it's you know, it's this this dichotomy that back and forth. All we wanted was Jocelyn back season one, but the kind of stuck for me at least she turns out to be the worst. Okay, Mom, I love you. Oh you're gonna shoot me all right, sick. I guess

I'll jump in a portal with evil Dad. Now back to the fucking boat. If she only knew where where I was going back to that boat, God damn it. Anyway, Thank you to you cat for getting up nice and early in l A. I'm in Italy, so it's you're in New Mexico. That's right. Congratulations, you're in the middle of everything. How's it going. It's going well. We start shooting Tuesday and pre production fittings, etcetera, etcetera. It's it's all.

The horses have been really fun, though. I have I have a horse that I've been training with specifically this season, and his name is Joe, and he's very sweet but very sassy. Um. I don't know specifically, but he's a beautiful sort of tan blonde horse with the most gorgeous bright main and he's a he's a sweetheart. He's a good boy. Amazing, amazing. Well, love to you and Joe and to our production team. Thank you guys so much for getting our preps done and for getting up nice

and early, and because you guys. I don't know if the listeners know, but they are here with us through these They don't just let us do our own thing because we're not to be trusted, so they are here with us throughout this. So they are there with us at seven am on on a Saturday morning. So thank you very much being with us, and of course thank you to everyone who listens. Welcome back, Welcome to season two. You're enjoying it. We've got plenty more to talk about,

so make sure you tune in. Absolutely. Thank you so much for coming back into the Fray and we'll see you next time. Returned to the Shadows is hosted an executive produced by Me, Katherine McNamara and Dominic Sherwood. Our executive producer is Lingley. Our senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia. Our producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilia, and our intern is Sam Katz. Original music by Alex Kinsey and performed by Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara