BONUS: Season 2 Mailbag

is afternoon for me. We'll figure out the time difference one of these days. I'm doing good. I'm good. I'm good about to embark on some holiday travel and a family time, which i'm very much. Do you want break? You want break for the holidays? Or you finished? We're done? You're done? Wow, we are done done. So a fun period of do we get picked up? Wait? No, you got picked up. You didn't get picked up. You got

picked up to do the whole season. Yeah, we just did thirteen and then no back order and we'll see about season two. So I feel good about it. I think I feel good about this one. You need more Westerns in the world, you know what I mean? Right? It would certainly be a lot of fun. What are you up to these days? I am back home for Christmas, back home, and I'm about to travel for um. A friend of mine is getting married in the Dominican Republic and he's asked me to be in his grims party

and he's getting married over New Years. So Deca and I are going to the Dominican in like a week and a half. And I haven't just over a week, like all its ten days, um, and I haven't planned anything, and I need to start planning some stuff. But there you go. There's anything I know about you, dum. It's last minute travel. It's kind of your specialty adventure no

matter what. Oh yeah, that's the plan. Um. Right, Well, we have a whole bunch of questions from you guys, which, first of all, thank you so much for taking the time to listen and engage with us and enjoy the show and then come up with these questions, because one it's so lovely to hear from you, and two it makes our drob a whole bunch of eesier that we don't have to make them up. So that's great stuff. I'm gonna I'm gonna preface this with like I am

gonna absolutely butcher some of these names. I've tried to go through some of them, and some of them are pretty simple, but some of them are like they're like, they're not not anagrams. What are they called? When it's when it's like I R L, what's that? What's the term for abbreviations? Abbreviations. There's like a bunch of abbreviations that I don't know because I'm fucking old now, so there's a bunch of these that I don't know. So if I mess it up, like just try and be

gentle with me and don't laugh. And if I mess up your name at some point, I apologize. With that being said that precursor, let's dive in. Let's jump into some questions. What do you say, Let's go for it, right, So we have these sort of compartmentalized into different versions of things, which isn't really necessarily very important for you guys, but it gives us some other things to talk about. So this first section of questions is filming slash stuff

that we did on screen. So first we want to get into some questions about our time on set and our favorite times on screen, our favorite on screen moments, Kat, do you want me to ask you the first question? Go for it down great, leanne leanne l y l. I think that's what this is. Man, you think so okay? Cool? This isn't see I'm starting off already. This is it's it's going to be one of those kind of shows. No, listen,

I don't know what the kids say these days. I'm not I don't know the TikTok's and instead what I don't know, I don't know, although I did. Just this is funny, and I'll publicly address this now. I was drunk with my friends the other day and I thought it would be funny to follow some people again. So I followed my best friend Harvey, who lives with me.

I followed Decca, and then I followed Darryl has a fan group and we're not sure who runs it, but I followed the fan group and not Darryl, and immediately got a message from Daryl like, dude, what are you doing? I'm so annoyed. So everyone out there go and follow this band group because it's awesome. Any who the question from Lee Darryl or for for you no doubt? Well yeah, of course I follow it for sure, um. Alright, So question number one, what what time did you have to

wake up on set? What time did you have to wake up on set? Is an interesting one because Cat likes to take naps on set. I'm assuming the question is sort of based around what time do we have to wake up to go to set? Um, and that is fully dependent. We were on one of those kind of shows where do you know what? I asked you the question I don't know why I'm diving in and answering. I asked you the question you go nuts. Well, that's all right, Well, I I think I was going to

say just about the same thing you were. Most likely is that, you know, it all depends on what we're shooting and when, because a lot of times we would end up shooting nights because you know, vampires, etcetera. It's easier to hunt shadows in the dark. No, but we uh, we would have to wake up. You know, we lived probably about an hour from our studio, which most of the time that's where we would be. And then I

think it's all depended on hair and makeup time. So my hair and makeup time I think was about an hour and a bit, which it's interesting on a show like this because our time was usually pretty similar, which isn't usually the case for you know, folks with extensively long hair as I have, but it's because of the ruins and your tattoos and all that stuff, right, Yeah, yeah, that doubled me up with time. So the big thing for me was if I was shirtless or not, if I'm if I have my shirt on. And we used

to talk about this with costume quite a lot. If there was an opportunity to and it made sense for the story, we would tend to be in long sleeves with the sleeves rolled down that way. Nobody else has to get up early, not just me, but like the hair and makeup team who also have to come in early to get the rooms ready to cover up my tattoos on and so forth. Nobody has to come in any earlier, and everyone gets an next hour of sleep.

And like Kat was mentioning, you know when we do those night shoots Faturday's where everyone's least favorites, where you start on a Friday afternoon and you don't finish till not even the early hours, sometimes on a Saturday morning, sometimes like middle of the morning Saturday morning, and you've just worked through the night, nobody wants to come in that next day an hour earlier. Nobody wants to do

it because everyone's tired. You need your rest. It's really important, and it's important to be productive and to be a decent part of the team. So we would work out times where if it was if it was necessary, then I would be shirtless, when my sleeves would be shorter. If it wasn't necessary, it wouldn't. However, the shirtless scenes, they have to airbrush my tattoos off first, so they

cover them completely, which takes about give or take. Normally there's two or three people doing it, so give or take that takes about between twenty and fourteen minutes. And then you have to apply the ruins on top of that, which takes another sort of between twenty and forty minutes, so about just over an hour give or take. Yeah, which you know is not an insignificant amount of time.

And then sometimes if we were feeling extra ambitious or just an insane person like myself, we would get up in the morning and go train with our trainer first before work or after work or you know that's true. Actually, because fight scenes as well, like the fight scenes days would come in early very often UM and run it because most of the time we had run the fight scene but in the studio space, so we don't know what the set looks like yet, we don't know where.

You know, you've got a scene. I just rewatched with a friend the fight scene with the first one in the Vampire. Then we didn't know what that was going to look like, like they sort of set it up with boxes sort of vaguely like that, But I didn't know where the paddle was going to come from, where where are going to come from, where the vampires are coming from, where they're going to fall, where it's safe for them to fall, where it's safe for me to fall.

You don't know any of that. So if you have the opportunity to get up and get in UM and see that space and even just like it's almost like meditating, you just sit in the space and sort of pan everything through in your head as best you can. This goes here, this is when this happens, and whatever. And then when the changes do inevitably happen, which we've spoken about on the podcast before, it's a little easier. So

this is a really tricky question. To answer in relation to what when we wake up, because there is no answer to it. The standard answer is we get given a time that we need to be in work, which is on It's called the cool sheets, and the cool sheet has all of the information we need for the day.

Who's going to be in, the phone numbers, we need to call, the scenes that we're gonna be doing, blah blah blah, times, dates, whether all that sort of stuff, um, and next to our names will say pick up at this time, arrive on set at this time here, and make up at this time on set this time. If it's one of those days where we decided we want to be in earlier for whatever reason, you have to approa some ahead of time and say, look, I loves come in I would love to see this blah blah blah.

But the standard answer is we wake up when we're told to wake up. Yeah, it's very true, I mean we That's that's the beauty of being an actor on a show like this is you really get told everything where to do. There was I was actually on the set of Arrow and I realized this kind of analogy, and then one of our camera operators added the little cherry on top. But we're basically kindergarteners, you know. We get told we can have a little chair with our name on it, we have a little cubby with our

name on it. Somebody sets our clothes and make sure our hair looks nice, and then they we have somebody who walks us everywhere we go and tells everyone else when we go to the bathroom and when we need a snack. And people always ask that. I was going to say snacks as a big one, when when you're grumpy, someone's gonna bring you snacks and like a juice box and be like, just do you calm down, you It's gonna be okay. But then one of the camera upside arrow turned to me one day and went, oh yeah,

and we're the parents that record you guys play together. Jeez. So that's basically the crux of it. Very simple question, very long winded answer. I am so sorry. I wonder if they're talking to me like this. Well, here's our next question from l Barrett too to six three. What was your absolute favorite moment from each season to either

film or watch? Okay, from each season a season. Season one isn't easy one for me because it's the same scene to both film and because I because I don't do a huge amount in this scene, I get to sort of witness it as it's happening for the first time. It's almost a bit like watching a play, which is really cool. And then so being a part of that, being a part of the filming process was very cool. Um, it took us two days. I'm giving you clues, you're going to figure out which one this is, Oh, I

already know, and then then to watch it again. We all watched it together live at the free Form offices in Los Angeles, and we got to see it as the audience saw it, and so we knew what was coming and with the build up and stuff. That was amazing. And it's the Lydia Alec wedding that's gate crashed by Magnus in the most fantastic way. And that kiss. Getting to see that kiss for the first time because nobody really knew. I'm not even sure if they knew exactly

what was going to happen. Um, and the and the way Matt initiates it. I remember I remember seeing it and thinking, holy sh he's going to punch him, like and it's one of those things where like the director hasn't told us, but this is he wants like a genuine reaction from us. So this is what's going to happen, because that's what it looks like. You grabbed him by the pearls and there's a half a second there where you're like, oh, I really don't know what's going to

happen there. Um. And it's such a genuine, raw, sort of almost like an epiphany, like an emotional physical epiphany, which is it was a really cool thing to watch and we've said it before, we say it again a thousand times. The boys do such an amazing job in that scene. Um. And that was my favorite in season one two to watch and be a part of. Yeah, I mean you took the words right out of my

mouth on that one. Um. So I have really nothing to add other than you know, it's It was sort of a celebration of the season as well, because we were in our second to last episode and we had all been so separated for so long, and it was so nice to have everyone together in one room and just be able to celebrate the story that we told for so long. Spoiler that might be our answer for season three. Maybe I will say I think I know our answer for season two, because I think we have

the same answer for that as well. At the whole sequence at lake Land, with Allan and the Sword and the lake and the Angel and you and I and this all those fights, it was such we were we were exhausted, you know, and it was such an epic thing and something that we've built up for so long, and the hard work that every single department put in, despite you know, weather adversities and how you know, we had to, as you said before, change things at the

last minute and dealing with drones and dealing with you know, different elements that we had to bring together to make this moment as as epic as the books built it up to be and as epic as the fans deserved. And you know, I really think that was that was

so well done by the entire team. And we had been crying for seventeen hours and fighting and in the rain and everything else, and yet I think we all left set that day knowing that we've done something special and knowing that we'd accomplished that goal, despite the fact that I mean I couldn't even stand up in the shower at the end of the time for that moment.

It was hard. I mean it was because it wasn't even like that was the last scene of that whole sequence that we filmed semi chronologically, so there was the execution fight and then there was there and this was also correct me if I'm wrong, but that was all done in the same area, right Like, we pretty much went from like dusk with the execution straight to the edge of Lake Lynn and did those scenes one after the other. So it was it was definitely a hard

work day. There is there's a certain amount of adrenaline that you get, especially from I mean, just doing what you love anyway gives you a decent amount of adrenaline, but then being on locations, there's something really special about that because you're seeing the thing live. They're not going to add very much to it. Obviously the angel was added later spoiler, but we didn't have one of those

in life. But actually being able to look out across the lake that we've seen in writing and we'd rehearsed and we've done all this stuff and then that actually be there and see it, it's a really cool thing. So you do get this level of adrenaline which sort

of helps you through to a certain extent. But then when sort of twelve o'clock and then it's one in the morning, and then it's two in the morning, and that adrenaline starts to dip a little, and you're sort of on cigarettes and coca cola and that's the only thing that's really keeping you through. It's like sugar and you don't smoke, but that's what I was doing, And I was smoking cigarettes and like drinking soda every two seconds just to keep like little sugar butters going through

my body. But like Cat says, you know, you when there's something really fantastic about leaving those days and going m m, that's that's that was everything that it should have been. It was if we nailed that scene, absolutely nail. That says nothing I would go back and change, which especially is I think any version of artists always look back at their work and hate just a tiny bit of it. Always. You always look back and there's always a part of you that's like, oh, man, I wouldn't

have done that, or I wouldn't have done that. And again, part of the beauty of it, that sort of self sacrificial nature pushes you to strive to be a little better every time, which is a good thing. It's a positive thing if you use it in the right way. But I don't feel that way about that scene, and I know you don't feel that way about that scene, which is rare and and quite lovely. Indeed, what about season three down see I alluded to it earlier and

now I can't think of anything else for two reasons. One, exactly as you mentioned before, it's an amalgam of how the story came together, what it represents, how it how it brings people from different facets of life together, and how they can be happy no matter what their challenges are, no matter what their backgrounds are. Would ever, so, the wedding scene, the actual wedding scene at the end of season three, I think encapsulates a lot of what we

were trying to tell in our story. And then on top of that, and we have mentioned this before briefly, but it was one of those very few scenes where everyone was there. Everyone people from season one. You know, we spoke about it when we had Glenn on. Glenn was with us. Glenn camera operator, was with us from

season one, from from day day one. He was with us and was with us on that last day and for those who don't know, we've definitely mentioned this before, but we had the rap party immediately after filming that scene, immediately after filming it on the sets that we all we all it worked on, we all lived on for four and a half years. They had champagne waiting for us,

and that's where we had our rap party. So so filming that whole collection, the wedding and then the after party and then the our after party as well, and my dad was there, which was really lovely, and yeah, it was it was a pretty special experience around because again that's not that's very uncommon in so many ways to have your last dayby with all of the people

that you've worked with. Never happened to have its. In fact, almost always your last day is like on your own and it's like right at the end of the day and it's like kind of you're just like, yeah, let's get out of here. Everyone's time screen shooting somewhere like totally yeah, we just need to smile into like this camera at one point and that's it. And then to have to be on a set obviously has on that set that you know, the key set, is fairly uncommon.

And then to have your rap party one the day of never happens, and to to have it on a set that we grew up in, literally grew up in like four years of my life was was on that set all day, every day is unheard of. So that was that was really cool. That was really really special.

And I feel the exact same way. You know, even having Isaiah come back, who was off doing something else and has only been there for a couple of days, and I think even Alan showed up, and you know, everyone came and even folks who weren't working that day

just keep to be there. And you know, something we don't talk a ton about because we get so caught up and everything is todd You know, our showrunner Ted Lapkin came up to direct that episode and he hadn't directed the show before and was so brilliant in creating such a sacred space for that scene and creating such a beautiful every single detail of the wedding, from the flowers to the way everything was arranged, to you know, having Nicola walk walk Harry down the aisle, to all

of these little elements just brought all of us to tears so many times because it was the connective tissue of everything we'd set up and everything we'd worked for, and everything that we had put our heart and souls into for so many years, you know, down to there were certain pieces of the dialogue that I in my final scene with Alberto, my final scene with Nicola, my final scene with you, I could barely even say the lines without bursting into tears because they were so poignant

to everything that not only we had felt as characters, but everything that we felt as people over that time, and everything that we've been through together, and this family that we've made and this team effort that we've built, and it was it was such a celebration but also a lovely send off and a lovely farewell to this story. Yeah. I agree. Wow, we're not getting to these very quickly. Ship that question too, Yeah, okay, well there you go.

Jelleka dot Art has asked a scene you weren't happy with, but upon watching thought you did a good job. Interesting. So this actually happens a lot, I find. And I was talking to a director of friend of mine. Yeah, I was talking to a director of friend of mine about this, and it's sort of illuminated some some other a new perspective for me. You know, when when you are shooting at such a fast pace and you're doing

so much. As you said, artists often are at least people who really care about what they're doing, are often very critical of themselves and often find because we're always striving to be better and always striving to improve, and so often when you get on set and there on the day, it turns out differently than you would have expected, or there's some element that it doesn't necessarily go the way you thought of in your head, and at times that can be a bit disappointing or frustrating, or or

you just go, oh, man, I wish I could have or I wish I had done this retrospectively. But a director friend of mine I was talking to about this, and he said to me, it's never the take that the actor likes that's the best take. It's the take that they are unsure of because they because they're unsure, it means they weren't self evaluating while they were in the scene. They were just actually in the moment and actually living the moment and lost themselves in the story.

So they didn't have a sort of accurate representation of how the take went. In quotes as it were, Um, which that was interesting, But I don't know, how do you feel that makes total sense? I think there's a million different actors in a million different ways that actors work because everyone does it a slightly different way. I don't I think the only there are definitely times where I wish I had done something differently, but it's it's upon watching more than it is like on the day.

On the day, I really do try and lose myself as much as I can, to the point where like there are times where I don't really remember doing things, and that's when I know that it was good because exactly just saying like that, whatever I was saying in those moments was my emotions behind it were connected to whatever that other person, whatever that thing, that object, whatever it was, and and trying to sort of use your imagination to to put that into reality for yous um

that That's what I've always tried to do to to project these characters emotions. But I think definitely sometimes where I've been disappointed is where we ran out of time, where you knew you had no choice, but you had to get this the first time, and the sort of not standard really but like um, what does seem to

happen quite a bit as you do. You know, you do a big wide shot first, normally that's what you'll get first, and you sort of there some ship out then, like you figure some ship out, you figure out what the other actor is gonna do, and you have that sort of conversation of like, oh interesting, cool, okay, great,

do that again. Because because you surprised me with it and and I didn't, then it took me out of it because I was watching it and I was like, oh, that was a good choice, and I was like, oh ship Now Dom's thinking not Jason, So just hit me with it again. I'm gonna get back into Jason. We can react the way we need to react, and then you come in closer and closer and closer bit by bit, and then you sort of get these cool little nuances

and whatever. And a good example of that actually is the last scene with Alberta and either fight scene um was sort of original written and originally rehearsed with it was like anger. I was angry that this thing that had happened, and we did the first big wide take and Alberto and I went aside and we're like, it doesn't feel it's not working, like it doesn't feel quite right. I don't know why it doesn't feel right, but it

feels like I'm fighting my emotions and and whatever. And I think Alberto even said like let those emotions go, like let yourself be entirely vulnerable, because we've reached a place Simon and Jason were comfortable with each other, like let your emotions go. And I was like, okay, shot, yeah, let me try that. And we tried it and we went, oh wow, yeah, no, there that's where that all felt correct.

And when you run out of time, you don't have that play space, you don't have that section there, and that I know. I've done scenes, not just in shadow, and there's and all sorts of different productions where we ran out of time and that was there, like, man, yeah, I wish I had I wish I had a couple more. I wish I In fact, that's a very common act of phrases, I wish I had one more, I wish I had one more take because I could feel that

there was like something brewing on the precipice. It's like when you're when you're in the shower and you want to re have a conversation that you've had previously. You always you always, even as yourself, you always think of the like ship there it was, that's what I should have said, That's what I should have said, because that's how I genuinely feel. But it took me a couple of times of having that conversation to get it out.

And it's very similar when you're on set. There's there are times where you do need to have that conversation more than once to go. This is actually how I feel about it. And there are times when we just don't have time. The big one is chasing sunlight or sunlight's chasing uts um. You know, if the scene needs to be at nighttime and the sun is coming up, you've only got so much time. You've only got until

the sun comes up. So I find those to be very disappointing days, but there's nothing to be done about them. So there you go. Indeed, so I think let's move on to the casting character's section. You know, they people wanted to know about the cast and the characters in the Shadow World and have all felt about them. The j Uiera good jobs, So sorry, V how you era? Perhaps I'm butchering this name I'm so sorry. Wants to know in what ways do we feel as though we're

like our characters. We've been asked this one before, definitely, probably not by yourself. It's I think Jason became more like me as it went on. No, I don't even know if that's true. I think that's just something that's that's such a press answer, that's such as someone told me to say that. That's just that's just not the case at all. I don't think we asked himilar and and and I like taking roles where I'm not similar to the person. I like that. I enjoy doing that.

And there are definitely elements of myself. I'm fiercely loyal, and I'm very willing to do things for other people and put maybe them first, sometimes sometimes to my own detriment. But that that, and also that that loyalty in and of itself can be kind of selfish sometimes. And I know Jas has a selfishness with him, and and that's tricky too. So I don't know. I I think we're

very dissimilar people in lots of ways. But I think when you're playing it, when you're playing one of the good guys, you want to hope that deep down you're aligned some way because you're playing one of the good guys. You're playing someone with a good heart who's doing the right thing for the right reasons. So I would hope that at least that sort of key level of morality is similar between him and I. But other than that, we just we look pretty similar and all the moment.

I have a beard now, but previously we previously on Tom Showoo's Life, I used to look a lot like Jason. Yeah, I think, you know, it's interesting because I I saw some similarities between myself and Clary when I started and throughout, but looking back, I think, you know, we were a lot more similar than I realized, which I wasn't used to.

I never really played a character that was like me in any way, which provided its own set of vulnerabilities and challenges along the way, because you have to really go to parts of your psyche and your heart that are very close the bone and very close to home, and that can be an experience, for lack of a better word. But it's nice looking back because I definitely

grew with Clary. You know, these two care these Clary and myself, they were these young women thrown into worlds that they knew nothing about and that they didn't have any experience in and had to find a way to navigate and create a family and grow and become something that they never thought they could be. And that I was very grateful for that because I, you know, as you said, we grew up on this show, and we grew up with these people, and and I I was figuring out who I was as an adult and an

artist in a person. Well, Clary was figuring out who she was as a shadow wonder and uh, it's it's interesting looking back on that, and I'm it's one reason why this is always going to be so special to me. Good answer, Um, Danielle or Daniel one six one four brown? Probably Daniel. I want to say Daniel, but this could be Danielle. I don't know. It's it's spelled so many from ah Man. I don't know Dan, Danielle or Daniel won six one brown? Who is your favorite guest star? Wow?

Oh jeez, that's a tricky question. Honestly, that's like asking us which of our siblings we like the most cats and only child. So that's a fairly easy question for her, but for me, that would be though you're an only child, right, Yes, for lack of a a better word, my my mom tends to adopt friends of mine from time to time, so I had a few adopted siblings at this point. But yeah, yeah, okay, that's awesome. There you go, um favorite guest star man.

There were so many because you what you don't understand, I think is some of our guest stars became such regular parts of the cast that you would assume that they were series regulars. Jay's is one, Nicola is another. We saw them so often that you would assume that maybe they were part of the standard cast, but they aren't. I think if we because yeah, I mean, mine would be Nicola. If we were going on paper of like guest star guest star, it would be Nicolas. Nicholas one

of my favorite people in the world. However, I think if we were going to go on like people who sort of came in for like an episode, Adam Harrington was amazing. I had a lot of fun with Adam Harrington. Also, Mimi's amazing. And then Adam Kenneth Wilson, who played Ragna, came in and and first of all did one of the best British accents I've ever heard in my entire life, like like to the point where I was asking him whereabouts in England is from and he was like, oh, no, Darling,

I'm actually from here. I'm from here. I just this Ragna has has a British accent. And I was like, that's amazing. That's better than my British accent. And I'm British. So if we're talking about guest stars who were just in for like a day, those two guys are probably up them. By this, we can't forget Harvier Munus as well harveyer as a good one. Yeah it's a really good one. Or again yeah, Tesa, I don't think one

of our day players, you know what I mean? Like she wasn't a one episode like she had an arc, she had a whole but she You're right, Tessa was technically a guest star. Tessa has come like and Jade as well as another one like jadeas soon who is technically a guest star. But we don't we don't see those people as guest after David Castro. David Castro is another one, like they weren't guest stars. They would they were a part of this with us you know. So, yeah,

I don't know. That's a really tricky question to want to it is. I mean, and you know, technically Will Tutor was a guest star, Luke Bains, you know, all of these people who came in and became such huge parts of the family and huge parts of our lives. I will say, if if you know, I had to shadow you know, shadow Hunter's weapon to my throat, I would have to say Nicola and Maris just because of the ark that Maris had. It was such a dissimilar arc arc from the book and such a dissimilar story.

But so because of the impact that Malik had, they almost were able to exponentially grow that impact and grow the sort of emotional impact that the show had, and the and the growth for the shadow fan that it provided, and and the safe space and the comfort and the

you know help. I guess is for lack of a better word, that that the show was able to give people and the rest of it by telling not only a story of this relationship, but a story of a family and a mother and son and parents navigating this relationship and and siblings and families and you know, institutions

as well. And it it became such a special, beloved aspect of the show, and you know, taking a character that would have just remained a villain as it were, and humanizing her and giving her a new life and a love story and everything else as the end the show came to an end. It's really it became so nuanced and complex, and I think a lot of that too has to do with Nicola and just the capacity she has as an actress as well. I would I

would agree. It's it's one of those impossible questions because you're asked us, as I said, it's like which of our siblings we like the most? Like there's no there's no real answer to that question. And then also so many of these people in our heads were not guest stars. Um, yeah, tricky. So I hope we vaguely answered that question. For sake of time. Shall we jump to the next section. Let's do it. So here are some what ifs, which I think this might be the section I'm looking forward to most.

There's a few what if questions because why not dream about the future. So I think we've actually been asked this question before. What would because we've talked so much about weddings. If klace were to have gotten married one day, what would that wedding have looked like? And what what

would that have been? Such an interesting question, like j Saint so good with the romance we know now he, I think they both would have just turned it over to Magnus and said, I think Magnus would have done a lot of helping planet and do everything and tell

us what to do. I honestly think, especially based on how their relationship came to a close in the story, I think Simon would have done a lot of helping because Simon new has known Clary since they were kids, right, like I think he, I think Jas would have asked him. I think you would have asked him for help. Um And while and this is a cool idea, while Alec may have been Jason's Sunjin, is not right Sunjin, I

think surgeon sun gink. I'm pretty sure that me that's like shadow on to best man, maybe Alberto, maybe he's Simon would have been Jason's best man, the mundane version of that, and they would have been able to have sort of an amalgam those of those. I think it's right, because you know, Simon came so full circle with Jace and Hare's known Clary so well, so he really is the bridge between that couple. Yeah. Um, As far as what it would look like, I don't know. I don't

think it would be. I don't think it would be as flashy as Magnus Alec. I think, honestly, I think what both of them and we used to joke about this all the time, like if you could cross over a show, which one would it be? And it would be like some fucking travel show. We just get to go and sit on a beach for a little bit. Like that kind of sounds like the perfect wedding for me.

Where you're for them, like where you're away from from everything, from all of the torturous version of life that they've had growing up, especially Jay's um and get to fully escape into into a world with just the people they

care about, just a very small grouping of people. Um. There are sort of in a circle of people, and they get to celebrate how much they care about each other with the people that they want to celebrate that with, UM in a place that maybe nobody's been before, maybe and maybe it's a place that not only nobody's been married, nobody's ever even visited. And I think that's something that

would be very special to to Jay's at least. I think it would be interesting to you know, find a part of the Silly realm that is tropical, or to you know, go to the beaches of somewhere, some forests, not in an institute, not in a it would have been I think, out somewhere that that maybe meant something to them throughout the years. But very interesting thoughts. Looks the next word I've done, Let's see, let's see, let's see from Shadow Cat Clary. Place, that's a solid name,

good job. Would have loved to see an episode of just Place. If there was, what would they be doing? They would be fighting, they with each other. They would be arguing about something. Clary would have said, I've got to go do this thing, and Jace would have said, no, you probably shouldn't. She would have done it anyway, and then James would have come and saved her life, and then she would have basically figured out something at the end that saved them both just miraculously that Jason, because

he's a bad shot. Answer. That's the episode. That's that. If we're going based on like story writing historically, like the ability of these people to do the things that they've done in continuum. That's what the episode would have been. I think it would also be interesting to have an episode of them like at Ikea trying to furnish their apartment or you know, fighting demons while also having an argument and just dealing with a couple of stuff while

they're slashing. That would have been really fun. Like the concept of that would have been would have been really fun, like mid argument, mid fight instead of seeing this or like whilst seeing this synergy between like you and myself or between is he analec or me? And me and aalec or you? And is he seeing that synergy whilst also having a confrontation between the two would have been

an interesting like dynamic to play with. Who knows even if we are even if we're fighting, Like maybe in ten years when they do a reunion series and I'm playing fourty year old Jays, then then we can throw that one in there. I mean, let's do it all, right, So let's jump into rooms. So lacy l seven says, what is each of your favorite room? Jason Clary use or favorite in general? Here's my thing about the runs, right is there were like three that I used continuously

throughout the show. The Irati was the main one because I was continuously getting hurt or beaten up or murdered, So that was like the big one for me. The rest of them, even when we were doing the show, I didn't really know what they were. No, no real clue.

Like you guys tell us all the time. We're you know, we're at fan events wherever, and you're like, oh, yeah, this rumor on your shoulder, and now I have it and put it on my shoulder and I'm like, oh, I didn't know that, but okay, cool, it's good to know that that's the case. There were so many. There were so many, and then with the introduction in season two of Clary being would have just make shut up.

There were so many, and then we were adding new ones to them all the time, and then these situations would happen like is it end of season two or mid season three break? I can't remember where is he just has one wish, her eyes go like technical and she can like see all of the stuff in the building. And I was like, that would have been so useful like forty different times in this show, and we just

could haven't used it yet. But right now it's a useful thing, So I didn't I never knew what they were, so I'm gonna have to go with a Razi. Also, we have toyed with this as an idea. If the Razi Room would be able to get rid of a hangover in real life, that's gonna be my favorite. Yeah, I think one of my favorite rooms from when I read the books and then in the series. We didn't get to use it a lot in the series, which

I wish we had. That would have been something if we'd done the War with the Darkened and we've done all of the book six stuff in full, we would have seen a lot more of was that. I believe it's called the Unite Room. That's and it's one of the last ones that Clary creates. Allows a shadow Hunter to be paired with the down worlder and their their gifts to be sort of crossed over and combined and there, you know, it's what allows us to go to eat them and what allows us to do all these other things.

And not only did it provide a lot of fun for us, you know, me getting vamp speed for a few minutes and you getting the sea life thing for a little bit, and you know, all of these elements, but it also just it goes back to what Shadow Hunters is all about and just allowing two people who are working for the same cause from completely different backgrounds, completely different creatures, are able to combine their gifts in the most literal way and use them for the common

good and use them to fight against what is trying to destroy everything. And I think that's such a beautiful metaphor and it's you know again, I wish we could have explored it more in the series. Yeah, there's definitely a cool subsection of of like story plotlines that we got to go through with that because that was that was good fund and those are good fun days. So let's move on to legacy. One of our favorite things is seeing how the show affects you, guys, even after

the years it's ended. And honestly, it's so true to see the the way that this show has lived with so many people for such a long time and still to this day because we're still doing this is really quite uncommon and quite cool for us to experience because most shows, and you as viewers will know this most shows once they're gone. That's kind of it. It's just gone and everyone moves on to another thing, and that's not really the case with this. So this has been

This has been lovely. So let's see how some of your fan questions lead to the effects it's had on us. Aliva underscore Maja or Maha with three eyes in the pre vat do you ever want to get a Shadow Hunters related tattoo? By the way I love you guys by the way we love you right back both have Shadow Answers related tattoos. It's true. Well, it was mostly

alcohol's idea. If I'm on its alcohol and then and then the I don't know if I blame the taxi driver, but the fact that that I got out of the car next to a tattoo parlor, it all seemed very serendipitous to me, and that is that that's basically what

it happened. We Alberta and I have been to a Taylor Swift concert and we've gotten quite drunk, and then we had to go to the rat party of season one and got out of the car and Alberta got out on the right and the rat party was on the right, and I got out on the left, and there was a tattoo parlor on the left, and I went, yeah,

I'm getting one. So before I went into the rat party, I went and got the Angelic Room tattooed on my leg, and then I went into the rat party and the first person I stow was Alan, who took one look at me and went, why have you got? You put plastic wrap like cling film around your around your tattoo to keep it clean right after you've had it. And Alan was going in there, what have you done with your leg? And I went, I just went and got

a tattoo, and he went, I'm getting on. And then subsequently I think I think like eight or nine of us got it that night, and then over the course of the show we had hair and makeup getting them and all sorts of different people. I don't know if you remember this, dumb because of said extenuating circumstances, but you called me while you were on the table getting I don't remember that, did I. I answered the phone and you didn't even say hello. You just said bring

everyone across the street. And I was like, what where are you? What's going on? He was like, bring everyone across the street right now. I got the gang and I was like, all right doms across the street, and we walk in and you were on the table getting tattooed, and we all sort of went, well, all right, we're doing this now, this is the whole thing. Maybe it

was more my fault than I remember. I I what I do remember is the tattoo artists being very confused about tattooing a whole whole plethora of different people from different backgrounds and whatever with the exact same image. And he I think he was stoned. I think he was stone because we went. When we got in, he was in a very large lounger and he was watching cartoons.

There's anything wrong with that. I love cartoons. But he was already and I remember him sort of looking over like hey man, and I was like, hey, I want to get this image tattoo and he goes, okay, cool. And then we came in with the next person and he went hey man, and I went, hey man, I don't know if you remember me, and he sort of went like not really, and I was like, okay, well, can we get this image tattooed? And then it just kept going and I think he got more and more confused.

Blessed socks, but you probably thought it was some sort of cult or something, which yeah, but um. I then proceeded to get a tattoo for every season that sort of stacked on top of the first one of a different room that whatever it was that exemplified the season or whatever place in life I was in, And it became a really nice memento of of the show because it forced me to think about what was this season

for Clary and what was this year for me? And what you know, what room can I pick that represents that the most? And yeah, no, no regrets as one of um what's next? So the next question is from Planet Trish, what did playing Jason Clary teach you for your career and other roles? I think I learned more. This was sort of one of my first times being a co lead of a show. You know, Clary Cat was obviously the lead of our show, but the sort of the male love interest lead version of that. Um,

this was one of my first times experiencing that. And there's a lot that comes with it that you don't really realize perhaps as audience members. The number one thing is that attitude trickles downwards always, So if you turn up with a good attitude, that's going to be reflected with how people enjoy the day, how they start enjoying their work, how it is for guest stars to come in, the sort of relationships you build on set, and how easy the days end up being. Cat always did a

very good job with this. I mean, how tired we were. She was always upbeat, she always had a smile, and she was always ready to go. And that's something that

I have taken with me career wise. That's something that I would always do really, no matter what what stage of the sort of the acting hierarchy you're in on a set, not only can you make your day a better day by taking the good parts of it and holding on and letting go of the bad parts of it, but you can make everyone else's day around you better by doing exactly that. And I don't think this is just an acting thing. I think this is a pretty

unilateral career thing. You can make everyone's day around you better, and then that gets reflected backwards because the person who's day you just made a little better by being a little nice or even though you didn't want to because you were tired or sleepy or hungry or whatever it was, then that person later on the day might be tired or sleep you're hungry, but give you a smile back when they didn't want to because they were tired, and

sleep you're hungry. And then it just becomes this sort of circular thing where everyone picks each other up as and when they sort of need to. So that's something that's stuck with me career wise, from playing these characterism from being on this this set. Yeah, and I feel much the same, you know. It's we were so lucky to have a set where ego was virtually non existent. You know, in any department, people were there to do the job, to take care of each other and to

tell the story and to make each other better. And that when you're doing a show that's nights and fighting and tears and blood and all of these other things,

it's hard work. It's the best job in the world, but it's hard work, and you have to support each other and you have to be there to carry each other through because inevitably everybody's going to have one bad day at least when you're you're in the middle of this, and you know, as as you often know and as became maybe too much at times, I will always find a silver lighting. I will always look for the bright side.

I will always even if it's silly and I have to make it up, I will find some reason to try and make someone smile. And that's always been inherently a part of who I am, but it becomes so much more important on a set like that. But also I had never been a lead of a show in that scenario either, and so I was so happy to have people like Isaiah and Harry who had been around the block so many times, who'd been through this. Harry had just been through Glee, Isaiah has been in this

industry forever. And getting to watch them and the way that they interacted with the crew, you know, having Isaiah come on set every day and say hello to every single person and say goodbye to every single person before he leaves, no matter how long his day was. I

saw how much that meant to everyone on set. And to have Harry come in and be such a total pro and know his stuff and come in with ideas that are so characterful and so interesting, you know, it became such an element that all of that taught me so much, and the camaraderie that we were able to build that that carried everything through and trickled to the entire crew. It made the show what it was and

you saw it on screen. You saw the byproduct of that symbiosis on screen, and you know, again, that's what I strive to carry through to any job I'm on, in any aspect of my life. Yeah, smart, we got two last questions. Let's do it. Here are some questions about rewatching Shadow Wants and this podcast. Honestly, it has been a huge amount of fun to be able to dive into this, and especially we we did a little behind the scenes of how this works. Today we sort

of run out of time. I couldn't film yesterday and we're supposed to film yesterday, and then today we ran out of time a little bit. So we decided to do one. We're supposed to record too, and we're going to do one, and we have the discussion of which one do we want to do, and we said, oh, absolutely,

we're going to do the mail bag. We have to do the mail bag because we want to get these questions in and now we love having this interaction with you guys, as do our co producers on the show, who works so hard to bring this stuff to you. They honestly do an absolutely amazing job. So this has been a lot of fun and thank you for your amazing questions. That's uh, let's jump into some Sammy a hern a h n g um. I'm not even going to give it another go. That's that's the best starts

day and I apologize, Sammy. When is the best time to rewatch Shadow Hunters? Lots of loved from the Philippines and lots of blood right back to the Philippines. The best time? That's an interesting one. Honestly. What I did find is time of day wise is nighttime, like when it's dark because the show, I mean, it's a supernatural

show about demons and vampires. Like there's so much like physical darkness, like lack of light on screen that I remember trying and watch them in the daytime a couple of times when I was in Toronto, and do you remember my apartment Toronto, it was like floor to ceiling windows everywhere and black out the place at all, and it actually became quite hard to watch some of it, like you miss bits. So I would say the best time to watch it is get it dark, you know,

lights out, watch it at home when it's nighttime. And that would be the best time. I agree, I think, you know, and it's it sets the mood, It's sets the tone. Pop yourself from popcorn and you know, make a magnus worthy cocktail or mocktail and have a ball. Uh. And then for our final question from Mila sixty six tier, what's the most fun part of doing these podcasts? I am all of it now, I think for me, aside

from these mail bag episodes that are so fun. To have this interaction and to continue to answer all of the questions that we haven't gotten a chance to and reliving the episodes we have given our story so many times at different Comma cons and press interviews and doing all this, we shared our experience, We've told our story, we have all our funny moments. There's still more to tell,

which is why we're here. But getting to bring on people that meant so much to us, like Darren McGuire, like Glenn Warner, like Nicola and you know everyone else that hopefully we will have on the podcast one of

these days. Getting to hear the experience and the story and getting to give an audience to that for the people that helped create the world and helped us tell the story and and often our aspects of filmmaking that don't get light shed on them, and you know, hopefully, my my hope is that you know, it helps to

celebrate the Shadow world for what it is. But also if someone out there loves telling stories and and wants to be a part of this industry but doesn't know what a camera operator does, or a costume designer or a wardrobe assistant or a director of photography or whatever it may be, it sheds light on those careers as well, and and hopefully allows more people with a myriad of talents and an opportunity to to be a part of this story telling. Yeah, no kidding, it's honestly, really beautifully put,

and I agree wholeheartedly. I think the best thing about this podcast, and the best thing that we've done, and the best thing that the producers have have done with us, is get on the lesser known talents from the show. Get on the people like Darren, like Glenn, like that, and again like others that we're going to get on who in all honesty worked harder than us. They worked

so much harder than us. Every single one of them had a hand in making Jace, who he wasn't clearly who she was, and Magnus who he was, and Alec who he was, and Simon who he wasn't Isy who she wasn't on and so forth. Every single one of the people that we get on helped us develop those people and helped us develop these stories and helped us tell these stories. And I think one of the true shames to a lot of audience members around the world is that you never get to see that element of it,

because one to us, it's very exciting. It's a very cool process to build something. You know, you don't buy a lego made, you know what I mean. You sit there and you make it and you put it together, and that's what we that's what we do with these people, sometimes literally, but I think to being able to share some of those experiences with people who cared so much about the show, being able to tell them that these are the people that that really made it happen, it's

really fucking special. So that is that I agree with you can. I think that's probably my favorite thing we've done well. And I think that's a perfect place to wrap up this episode and to thank each and every one of you Angels for sending in questions and continuing to listen and continuing to share this experience with us. It's it's such a special thing, and you know, particularly around the holidays, you sort of look back at your year and go, what did I do this year? What

did I accomplish? What was my favorite part? And having this podcast launch and be such a big part of our lives and a big part of the fandom, and the way that you've welcomed it is really wonderful. So thank you to our amazing producers and to you um to I Heeart for putting us out in the world, and to all of you the Shadow Film for joining us once again. Return to the Shadows is hosted an executive produced by me Dominic, Sherwood and Katherine McNamara. Our

executive producer is Lingley. Our senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia, and our producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilion. Our intern is Sam Cats. Original music by Alex Kinzy performed by Alex Kinzy and Katherine McNamara, and the episode was mixed by Seth A. Lanskaya. Make sure you subscribe to Return to the Shadows wherever you get your podcasts, and while you're there, feel free to drop us a review.