"We NEED to talk about power dynamics in schools! " with Dee Nic Sitric)

Power is everywhere in schools – in classrooms, staffrooms, policies, and conversations. Yet it is rarely named, examined, or understood. In this episode, James Mannion and David Cameron are joined by Dee Nic Sitric to explore how power operates – often invisibly – and what becomes possible when schools begin to surface it. Drawing on systemic thinking, neurodivergent perspectives, and real-world examples, this conversation examines how power shapes behaviour, relationships, decision-making, and ultimately outcomes for children and young people. Key ideas explored -Why power dynamics are largely invisible but highly influential in schools -The distinction between control and genuine systemic thinking -How slice teams redistribute power and improve decision-making -The role of psychological safety in enabling challenge and curiosity -Why ‘voice’ without influence is not real participation How power shows up in: behaviour systems classroom talk and oracy staff relationships policy and consultation processes The link between mattering (feeling valued + adding value) and power Why reflection – not compliance – is the engine of improvement Standout moments ‘Power isn’t static – it moves, shifts, and often sits where we least expect it.’ ‘Who is allowed to ask questions? That’s where the power lies.’ ‘We cannot be curious and judgemental at the same time.’ A vivid example of how a single interaction in an assembly can redistribute (or remove) power in seconds Practical implications Create structures where multiple perspectives genuinely shape decisions Build psychological safety so staff and students can question and contribute Move from ‘consultation’ to co-production Use reflection routines to examine: ‘Why did we act that way?’ ‘Whose voice was missing?’ Reframe behaviour and classroom talk as questions of power, not just technique About Dee Nic Sitric Dee is the founding director of Autism Champions, a neurodivergent-led organisation supporting schools and systems to better understand and respond to neurodivergent experiences. Her work focuses on systemic thinking, relational practice, and the lived realities of children, families, and staff navigating education systems. Call to action Reflect on your own setting: Who has the most power? Who feels able to speak? Whose perspectives are shaping decisions? Links Autism Champions - https://www.autismchampions.co.uk Follow Dee on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dee-nic-sitric/ Support #repod The Rethinking Education podcast is brought to you by Crown House Publishing. It is hosted by Dr James Mannion and David Cameron, and produced by Sophie Dean. This podcast is a labour of love, with the emphasis on both the labour and the love. If you’d like to support the podcast and convey your appreciation for these conversations, you can: Become a patron: https://www.patreon.com/repod Buy us a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/repod