Invisible Black Women Epidemic

out of here. Tragedy, ultrasound show that I had been in labor for almost two days. Shocking stories that will shake you to your core. When I had Jada, I was not treated well. I was denied the pain that I was having. He made me step off the flight and he asked me, did I know how to behave the invisible black woman? The epidemic we need to talk about. Well today it's gonna be a great show. Yeah, I'm excited, and we're gonna talk about the invisibility of black women.

Now that's a topic. Yeah, it's just so deep rooted. Yeah, it's great to see you and have you back at the table. Thank y'all for inviting me back. I didn't know you get to come back again. Well, it just didn't depends. It just depends. Our friend Tamika Mallory is one of the most powerful social justice leaders of today. Her new book spells out the urgent state of black people in America. One of the things that I love is that you show up for the invisible black woman.

You really do. You know, you were out there for Brianna. If it was up to the world, Brianna Taylor would have been forgotten. She was murdered on March thirteenth. I think because there was no video, a lot of people were like, uh, you know, I don't know, They're there was a young woman, she had six bullets in her body, she was sleeping in the bed. They woke her up for nothing. That's what happened, right. Black women are ignored and disrespected in general. People don't want to talk about

McKay Bryant right now, you know. They want to say that, well, you know, she had a knife, and it's justified, and a lot of it is trauma. I spent some time talking with her family and she had told them she was also in communication with her biological mom. Although she's in foster care. She had told them that she was experiencing something, she was going through something, and that adults, not children, has been attacking her bothering Right now, officer arrives.

He doesn't know any of this, right, but here's the bottom line for me. Would he have shown up where there was white women and shot center mass at a young woman. It's unfortunate that this young girl's story ends this way. And in fact, I attended her funeral, And the reason why I went is because I know that if she was sixteen years old and perfect, the perfect victim, everyone would be all over it. Everyone would be all

over it. People would have been there to support. She deserves the same care and attention and for someone that's to advocate for her and her situation, even though she might have she may have had a knife, you know, right, it's that she's a child and we saw her laying on the ground. The fact that you went to the funeral for that young sister, because I just feel like there's always an excuse of why not to show up for us, For black women, there's always freaking excuse, but

yet we are always expected to show up. So to Mek and when were the times that you felt invisible, and I think I feel invisible all the time. That invisible feeling is one that I have probably felt my whole life, from school days all the way until now. And people don't understand what feeling invisible means because they because it's like I'm loud, I talk a lot, talk all the time, and then like you can't be invisible because we can't miss you. You're always there. But my

feelings are not always value my opinion of things. I'm constantly having to raise my temperature in order for people to know that I know what I'm talking about. You know what I mean. It's been difficult for so long to feel like, um, I've been ignored, and when I was with the Women's March, I experienced that, you know, I really did. I think there were days when I started being like, why am I here dealing with y'all? And I got my own problems and like I'm getting

beat up left and right. It was just too much to think about. So I started taking Zanex, taking whatever you could do to sleep, because that sleep is an issue when you're stressed and not able to rest. Any pill that somebody would give me that had the ability to make you calm down and to deal with anxiety. I wanted them I got addicted, and now you want me to go get unaddicted, Like I don't even understand the concept of how this happened to me, of all people, but I was. And so then I had to go

to rehab. And while I was in rehab, they were like, you need PTSD support because you're having a problem that's deeper than this drug. You're going through some soul issues. So I had to do all of that, and it was like tearing down and building me all back up. But look at me, I'm still cute. You are. It's interesting when you talk about needing to turn up the temperature, because I don't know how many times I felt like I've had to turn up the temperature and then ostracize.

It makes me just it breaks my heart, that stereotype because that has been stuffed down and repressed and all that and feeling invisible and then it's like, oh, you're just the angry black woman, but it's so much deeper. I was having a conversation with my boy Dwayne Martin the day because he called me. He was like, what y'all talking about at the Ranta and then talk a bit about the invisibility and black women. He said, can I just tell you something, He said, I realized that

society has used the best parts of black women. He said, from historically, you know, you guys using your breast to feed other children and raising other children. And he said, from the surgeons who steal your body parts and put them on other people, from the ass to the lips, to the hips to the thighs. And he said, and you know what, they steal the best parts of you

guys and throw the rest away. That's exactly right. And he said it's like you know, in slavery women, they would take the best parts of the pig or the chicken and they give us the scraps, the scraps. But when he broke it down like that, just like dang, I was like, that's deep. So that goes along with that foundation of invisibility. One of the most shocking consequences of black women being invisible is when it comes to healthcare.

Check this. Trussey mcmillancottom says she was pregnant and in crisis, and all the doctors all was an incompetent black woman. When I got pregnant, I wanted the very best for my baby. That's why I chose the hospital uptown where the white women went to have their babies with white doctors, thinking I would get better care. And I got anything. But I was about four months pregnant when I started bleeding. My husband rushed me to the doctor's office, where I

sat in the waiting room for about thirty minutes. The doctors the nurses really ignored the crying, bleeding, pregnant woman in the waiting room. I was in extreme pain. I've never felt more invisible. After I bled onto the chair in the waiting room, the doctor finally saw me, but he dismissed my concern, told me that spotting was normal, especially for someone as fat as I was in his words, and he sent me home. As the pain got worse

throughout the night, I went back to the hospital. The doctor was again dismissive and told me that probably just eaten something bad. After are constantly pleading and begging with the doctor, he did finally agree to give me an ultrasound, and what we saw in the ultrasound was shocking. The image showed what looked like three babies, except I was only pregnant with one the other two were fairly large tumors. I was checked into the maternity ward, where I asked

repeatedly for an epidural. I was pushing before I knew what was happening, and my daughter was here. She died shortly after her first breath. Oh yeah, sorry, so sorry, thank you. Ultrasound showed that I had been in labor for almost two days and my baby was worn too early to survive, and I left the hospital without my daughter. What happened is both traumatic but not singular. Happened to a lot of black women um which is something that

was totally preventable. If we had an ultrasound. When you're supposed to do an ultrasound, they would have known mine was a high risk pregnancy. Nurse, I know the difference between bleeding and spotting. Spotting. She was bleeding when they had to remove the chair after I left the waiting room, right and I still did not signal to them that was an emergency. By the way, still did not go

to the emergency room at that point. At every step of the process, no one really took seriously that I knew what was happening to me, one or cared enough to at least do an assessment. Let's do an exam, Let's do a test. They didn't even care enough to do that. Childbirth is when you're most vulnerable. You really are relying on people to see your pain, right, and people's ability to see your pain relies on their ability

to see you as human. Yes, the experience for me was a loss that shouldn't have been a loss, but worse than that, a loss that no one treats like a law. It is just traumatic. There's no aftercare when it was a child. The nurse doesn't come to check on you six weeks out, there's no postpartum right at the time, I was working, you know, full time, as most women aren't, especially women of color and black women. It's no longer maternity leave when your baby dies. What Yeah,

it's no longer maternity leave. So it's not just the trauma of the event, it's the way the world treats you. I never even heard from the doctor's office again, except for the nurse to call and tell me just so you know, there was nothing we could have done. Okay, So you know that's one of the reasons why I never had another child, Because I was eighteen pregnant, and the experience was so horrible that I was like, I'm

not doing that again. Imagine a young black girl, you know, and they treated me really bad, just like sit over there, we'll get to you in a minute. My water leaked for a month. It was just so much trauma that after that, I was like, never again. It's interesting that you say that, because now that I'm thinking about my own experience when I had Jada, it was pretty similar.

I was not treated well, I was not cared for, and I was in a hospital where my father was head of anesthesia at the time, so they knew exactly who I was. I was denied um the pain that I was having at the time, Oh, it's not that bad. And there was so much invested in telling me that that I wasn't feeling what I was feeling. You know how they do the pain scale level of one to ten. Where are you? I was in the middle of a contraction and I'm vibrating. It hurts so bad, right I'm vibrating.

I knew if i'd say ten, they tell me I was exaggerating. If I say anything less than five, they leave the rum. And I remember negotiating with myself to settle on seven because if they left the room, the anesthesiologist wasn't gonna come. And she told me, if you complain too much, he doesn't like complaint, he won't come. And I was terrified that he wouldn't come because I wanted the apaturial badly by that point, Yeah, I terrified.

I hate to bring it this far, but you're looking at a woman in pain, the most vulnerable place she's ever been in her entire life, and you're just going to like that seems evil to me, Like that seems like an evil thing to do. That did have to start to think about how did I end up in a room where there was no one to speak for me? What could not have done differently? What is too much to ask for from somebody else to advocate for you? Right? I have a family health insurance, all those things that

are supposed to matter. Advocacy takes somebody willing to hear you. You can say a lot of things. If people won't hear it, it really doesn't matter. And I tell people all the time I'm asked to testify before Congress and etcetera. No, you don't bring me in unless you're serious, Because I don't perform trauma for people who are not invested in

fixing the problem. That is so. Yeah, that was very extant to the idea of performing trauma for the same public that wouldn't have cared about what happened to me in the hospital. Yeah. So it's not that people don't know, it's that they don't care. Yeah. What is your advice for black women who find themselves feeling invisible, especially when it comes to medical issues. Has anybody ever told you that if the doctor starts talking crazy that you should

get up, leave, should leave. I want black women to treat doctors like we treat a service provider. Black women don't play if the food is cold, right, you know, I play if the service man, the cableman is late. But the medical profession, it's shape for you to follow directions to not question authority. But it is the one place where questioning authority can save your life. You have to do your research and if the plan that they are creating for you doesn't work, then go to somebody

who's planning it does work for you. Yes, I tell him, don't even let him finish you, right, like, get up, you can get dressed in the hallway, get your clothes, and you walk out. Exactly if we had the same crisis facing middle class, suburbon white women, if they were dying at the rate that we die trying to give birth. Yeah, yeah, the inequity is undeniable. Yeah, there would be a public health crisis, would be a public health campaign. Boards would

be conveniing tribunals. Right, they don't think it's a loss. That's the crux of the process, that's at the cool right there. Yeah, trustee, thank you, this was important. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. And a Facebook post seen by millions, Dr Cross revealed an incident on an airplane that left her feeling more invisible than ever. Thank you for joining us today. So explaining us what happened. I was on an airplane and I heard somebody shrieking two rows a head of me.

It was a husband and wife and the husband was unresponsive, so the wife was screaming. The flight attendant immediately rushed over there. She said that she needed a medical personnel or physician. Immediately. I just flagged her down. She said, oh no, no, no, sweetie, we don't have time, you know, to talk right now. We're looking for an actual physician. I'm trying to explain to her that I'm the physician that you're looking for. She just continued with her condescending remarks.

At that time is going on on the overhead where they're saying we need a medical personnel. And I stared her and pressed my button and so that's when she's like, oh, you're an actual physician. That's when she started asking more questions. It wasn't like, Okay, you're a doctor, great, come over here, mind you he's still responsive, still unresponsive. She's like, well, if you're a doctor, you know, well what are you what are you doing? What are you Why are you hearing?

Why are you in de trade? And she's like, well, why don't you have your credentials with you? You don't have your diploma with you know, I don't like you don't have a business card. No, I don't have a business card on me. This continues back and forth, and then there's a middle age Caucasian mail coming from the front of the plane and she said, well, he's a physician, he has his credentials, but of course my blood's boiling on inside. That's ridiculous. Did you complain to the airline?

I did. She basically offered me sky miles an exchange for the miscommunication, and I said, I'm good. I got off the plane and then I went and reported it to the gate agent, and the gate agent was like, I'm so sorry for it and handed me a free drink ticket for my next flight, and I was like, y'all don't get it. So I put it on social media. I got on my next flight, got off, and it was viral that quickly. You had an issue to the

same thing happened to airline and the same thing. I had to put some information on social media because I tried and no one cared. A pilot threw me off of a plane for no reason. In my situation, the gay agent was the problem, and it was a black woman. I was communicating with her and she was so nasty.

The white man who was the pilot happened to be off the plane standing there next to her, and I watched them as I walked through the door to go get on the plane, have a little conversation that you know whatever she said to him, and he just decided to come and throw me off the plane. He made me step off the flight and he asked me, did I know how to behave, and he asked me to repeat those words that I would behave and I did

and it threw me off anyway. I said, yes, sir, I will behave and that was like he was like, oh no, So to me, are you saying that they threw you off the plane because you and the gate? Because I had about because my seat. I have claustrophobia and I was upgraded to first class and then all of a sudden my seat got and I was complaining about it. We were just having a quiet conversation, but he happened to be standing there and he decided to

use his authority against me. The funny thing, though, is that the flight attendant who's on there looking like what is going on because she doesn't know anything, she recognizes who I am. She's looking at me and she's like, oh my god. She was a white woman. So you need to fight this. She said, what he's doing to you is wrong, and she began to cry. When he came back with six police officers, six I verified. I said, so you're throwing me off the fan and do anything

he told me? He said yes. I said, okay, I've commenced to every MF F and so and so. I told a whole plane up at that point that my nice little four letter words. And at some point in it, I said, and you will not forget me. I said, you don't know who I am. And I told him, I said, I will go to hell fighting. And he looked at me, and then she said something and he realized that I have messed up. And do you know that that man had the audacity to say to me, um,

would you like to talk? Like, why don't you just calm down and we can just have a conversation. And I said a conversation, you know. But the follow up of that was one no one called me back. They didn't take it seriously until puff Puff Daddy did he we call him puff right until he retweeted what was happening, and then it became a thing. Yeah, it went viral. One thing they did do they started instituting a branch of changes, Like they looked at their policies and procedures

and they began to really work inside the company. Because that's what I wanted. Wasn't about money, it wasn't about any of that. Was like, this has to change. This can't happen to another woman. And I was on the way to a wedding that was really important to me and I missed it. Then these changes happened in regards

to your incident. Yeah. Absolutely, But I went all the way up to the CEO of the airline and went down to Atlanta, met with them, and then two months later they actually changed their policies because they did have a policy saying that they're supposed to verify. I'm sure there is some kind of policy. What I do want to say, it was all that question about where you going, why were you in Detroit? All that's insane. That's not part of the policy. You know. In meantime, you're jeopardizing

somebody's life. Yeah, well, thank you so much for coming and sharing your story, but thank you for having me so. Dr Romeny, a good friend of the table. Has an important message and it's something you might be doing that is very harmful and not even know it. It's called racial gas lighting. Dr Romeny, how are you? It's so good to see it. I feel so privileged to be part of this conversation. We are always so happy to have you and you talk about racial gaslighting. Give us

some examples of what that looks like. When we're talking about racial gas lighting, you're denying the experience as a person has as a person of color, especially as a woman of color. It's very very easy to guess like any woman of color. So when we look at it that way, then it's things like, you're making this about race, and it's not. There's no more racism. We've had a black president, they've changed the laws. Denying your experience of pain,

You're not in that much pain. You didn't earn that degree. Why are you at this elite university? Was it affirmative action? Right? The immediate assumption is you did not earn that. Somebody cut you a break because you're and that already weakens that person in that position and makes them less likely to have their voice. That's a denial of your experience. And then when a person of color fights back, calm down, Yeah, that's gaslighting, because it's the whole idea is you're being

too sensitive, you're perceiving things that aren't happening. And it's not one person doing this, it's the entire system is doing this. What someone's done is they've taken away your reality. And when you gaslight someone, someone has told me it's really just not that serious. Yes, my head just wants to explode. Think of this one. One of the ultimate examples is when people say I don't see race, right,

I don't. I don't see color. Slighting you know, because yes, you do, right right, be able to see you're wearing a green shirt, you can see that. And I understand what the intention is, but the fact is that it invalidates a person's experience. When you steal someone's reality, you steal their power, right because they're they're doubting themselves. They're walking around saying, am I being too sensitive? Maybe I'm

the one who wrong? Right, So now you've lost even more power and the person who's gas lighting gets even more power back. Right. So it's that idea of calm down, calm down, you're overreacting. Is it becomes, especially for black women, this idea of being unhinged. I have to say, I understand that people have their opinions, and I always respect the opinions. But when I did hear certain politicians speaking of how America is not racist. I get that not

all Americans are. There a lot of Americans that are not, but it felt like it was denying the reality that we are that they are living and watching right now, right now, exactly every day. And it was hurtful. It didn't even make me angry, like it hurt my feelings, yes, and and those hurt feelings are real. But when you take that into the system and say my feelings are hurt, they'll say, Jada, you're being You're too sensitive. You know,

right here she going agin, Yes, that's right. And then on the other side of it is this phenomenon called healthy cultural paranoia, and it's the idea that particularly black women, who hold the least societal power of any women. Right when you think of the history of black women in our country, they've always been at risk. So there may be a tentativeness. You know, you're going a new situation, you're being very very careful, right, And then what will

people say about a black woman. Then she's aloof she's up pity, you know, right, she's not living to those roles. You're not being the big hug you know, the mammy that I can hug. You're not playing to the role when you're not playing the sassy exactly. I mean, we get this in Hollywood all the time. These boxes that we put in many many times, women of color, especially Black women, will go into a situation, a professional situation,

even a social situation, and they'll feel unsettled. I don't feel comfortable here, I don't feel hurt here, I don't feel respected here. And the other people in the room will say, nothing's going on here. You're sensing something that's not happening. You're being ridiculous. Stop making such a big deal. Gaslight, gaslight, gaslight, and the whole systems in on it. So when that woman tries to go to HR or goes to a person in authority, they'll say, what documentation do you have?

I think you might have been misperceiving the situation. You're talking about invisible black women. You want to make someone invis sable deny their reality? Yeah, Can I ask the question what about when it's not reality? Like if someone is saying, well, you harmed me because you did these things, and you're like, I didn't actually do those, they're still gas lighting because you didn't do those things. They deny the realitybody even saying you did something you didn't do.

Dr Romeny, you're a woman of color as well, and I just want to know has there ever been points in your life where you have felt invisible. Yeah, people just see they see brown. And it's been my whole life from people telling me this name of yours is too difficult. We're going to change that name to something we can say. As a child, people would say, I can't say romany let's just change your name to something

that's easier for us. You're talking about airplanes. Anytime I fled, I would say seventy of the time, when I'm in that first class line to board, someone come up to me and say, ma'am, this is the first class line all the time. I get that right all the time. It's like death by a thousand cuts, isn't it. How many times do you have to experience those microaggressions before it effect your own identity. There were times I'd go back and look at the boarding pats. I'm like, maybe

I am in the wrong line. Wow, Yeah, I laugh because I've experienced that true. And it's typically like a bunch of European businessman, you know, they just kind of move right on past. You may be walking up to the line and they walking past you like you can possibly they're all in first class, right, Nascy. So the systems are designed to silence the voices and to leave people of color in self doubt. So then everyone's walking around confused, and if everyone's confused, it's really easy for

another group to hold the powers. That was really well said. Personally, I think it's all really terrible, slimy design. I think it's a design. Thank you, Dr. Thank you for having us conversation. You have no idea that even if you unguessed like one young black woman who's doubting herself today, you've done something so powerful. So thank you. The brilliant Dr Candice nor Cut has some critical information we all need to hear about how black women become invisible. Hi,

thank you for having me. So happy to be here. Dr Norcut, can you tell us what you think is one of the factors behind the Black women invisibility epidemic. One of the ways this happens is because they don't fit into a prototype. The prototype for black is man black man, and the prototype for woman and femininity is

white woman. There's something called the non prototypicality hypothesis, and what that means is that we're really poor at seeing things that lie outside of our norm, outside of the prototype. Think about this as an example you being confused for the other black woman in the office, right, or you get called the name of the other black girl that is the only other black girl in your class. You

don't look anything alike, but you get confused. So this blind spot right, right, that blind spot so intense, as really intense. And when you start to talk about systemic racism, the system was designed to make black women feel like they don't belong. And so Patricia Hill Collins called these stereotypes that create these rigid roles for black women controlling images. They not only control what society sees about black women and kind of most distressingly, can impact how black women

see themselves. The mammy is one of the oldest controlling images. Right. So black women are meant to be in domestic servitude, right, and controlling images justifies the economic oppression of black women, right, because they are meant to serve. They're meant to support the white family and the nation's economy. They're not meant to lead it. They're meant to supported on their very black body. Right. They're not sexualized, they're not humanized, they're objectified.

The matriarch is an example of the strong black woman, and this idea that there's this castrating strong man like woman that's at the center of the family to make the black man feeling masculated, like we don't need him. What's so interesting is that, you know, later research showed that there weren't actually that many people that fit the stereotypes of mammy or matriarch. These were created stereotypes the media,

like literally the media, you'll notice. So the matriarch and the mammy, they don't get to have sexual lives, right, Their purpose is for the family. Their de sexualized. And so when we bring sexuality into the picture for black women, it's this Jezebel's a ductress, right, justifying the sexual violence and abuse that was brought upon and put upon the black female body. Right. And so it was the enslaved

person that seduced the white slave owner. She had to breed, and her purpose was to breed to support chattel slavery because that was a very economic force. All of these support the place in which black women were meant to be oppressed into. They say that the first thing that you have to do in order to be able to oppress any people, or to enslave any group of people, is to demean them. You also have some current images that you say affect black girls. Um, first, the angry

black woman. Mean, so these lords, these images aren't new, they're evolved. When you just label somebody and pigeonholed them as angry, you don't get to inquire why, why, what other emotions are happening that's causing this emotional reaction. And look how young they started. That. That was me in the Women's March. People would see when I was like going off, and they'd be like, what's wrong with you?

All this happened right for the last week I've been dealing with Right, But you get you see me, and then you're like, oh, she's just too much, right, Yeah, you know I've been through too much. All it is is trauma. All it is is just unhealed wounds. But whatever it is the reason for it's not for no reason exactly. Defense. Then you have the strong black woman. Oh that's the evolution of the matriarch. No, WHOA. So we're castrating our men. We are unreasonable, we cannot be

compromised with. Therefore we get to dismiss any opinion from casual conversation to the boardroom because she's just you know, she's just you know, she's extreme, right, So again it's the oppression. I've even felt that, like amongst the younger people, I'm very opinionated about misogynistic rap music, and I've always have been very vocal about how I just would rap.

They're not have that going into my mind while we're together, and a lot of my peers when I come around, it's like, well, she's here, so just don't worry about her. She's just going off on her usual rant about whatever it is. Yeah, it's interesting that Michelle Obama was on the last slide because that's what they did to her. That's what they did. She was too buffed, you know, it was always like yeah, it was always something wrong, and she's perfect exactly that part. So now we have

the baby mama. Mean, yeah, that's sir. So this evolves out of the Jezebel, the breeder um. It's evolved into the welfare queen or baby mama. This evolves into justifying rules about welfare, justifying rules about types of contraception that's offered, um forced on black women. Dang, that is dr norcutt um. When did you feel the most invisible? My earliest memory

of invisibility was in high school. So I had applied to seven Ivy League colleges and I got into the mall and my friend said she got in because she was black. Mind you, I was try varsity sport captain, I was president of the school, and yet would that comment. He erased all of that down to one part of me. Wow, that's deep, that's awful, that's painful. Thank you, Dr Norcutt. It's always a pleasure having you. Thank you so much

for having this conversation. Those images. Man, Yeah, that's heavy, and now you get to associate it with like what it means because that little girl I would have shared that a thousand times, like y'allow online earves. Yeah, it's really perpetuating a negative seal. It makes me feel like I need to pay more attention to these means that you're sharing on social media. We all do so. To Mika, tell us just a little bit about your book. So

State of Emergency really is a revisitive history. There's so many people who are just coming to this work into the movement now, and they're like, where do I go? What do I do? I'm ready, I'm in. It has a prescription for how we work together to go forward. The book is my gift to a lot of folks who are trying to just figure it out. You are actually one of those who have contributed your thoughts about the book, and we appreciated my book. Now you made

the dedication to your son for State of Emergency. I don't really talk much about my son in public. You know, a lot of people don't even know I have a son. But I'm starting to because I realized that I've been fighting for everyone else's child and he has been has lacked so much as a result of it, but he still has always been such a great supporter. His father was killed when he was too He started to get older and noticed that other people had their fathers and

he didn't. He's like, you don't know what I'm going through. He started going into this deep depression, and by the time he was seventeen and eighteen, it was really bad and there was nothing I could do. My child needed his dad, and I realized there were things I just couldn't teach him. I couldn't I couldn't talk to him about him. We weren't seeing eye to eye, and that caused a lot of conflict intention between the two of us. The guilt of that weighs on me all the time.

So your son, your son, he is here, my child. I've heard so much about you. I'm so glad we finally get to me. What do you want us to know about your mom? She's amazing through just having her around as a role model every day. It pushes me so much to keep striving to, you know, be on the same level as she's on. I am doing a song about you. A lot of my life. You know, she's been going of course, and I've had to deal with that. In my song. Um, I said, me and mom used to fight a lot, but I know why

she left. Um, she was fighting for my rights. So yeah, beautiful. Well, Tarika, I also want to say thank you for your sacrifice. Yeah, because a lot of people don't understand the sacrifices that family members make when important people in their lives make the kinds of decisions that your mom has made to be in service to the community in a way and what she has. Thank you so much to all the women of color out there. I hope you feel seen today.

And we've talked about so many things that we hope will bring change, but most of all, just as we love to do at the Red Table, deepening that love and compassion for one another, deepening that understanding. That was good the whole show. Wow to me, guy, Yes I'm back. When I pulled them today, I tell everybody in the car I'm moving here for thirty days and when ver time, I got a space for you, We got a way because like, oh, what's happening? What you said? Are you saying? Day?

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