Anxiety: The Missing Conversation (Ireland Baldwin recap)

these conversations. You have your rb A group, which is you know, super huge, which is wonderful representing r b A, and I have Memphis Sister Friends, which is the smaller of the Red Table Talk groups, still small but mighty. We've been talking and having meet ups and doing all the successful things in these streets and now we're gonna bring it to your heart radio airways. It's just great to have this type of opportunity to bring the real discussion to the real red table talk. Say, and so

let's red table that listen. Are three favorite ladies Jada again, and we'll talk about anxiety with and if we know y'all listen to it. By now Kim Bay Singer and her daughter Ireland Baldwin, who she shares with ex husband Alec Baldwin. They had a lot to discuss tracy. Are

we right? There was a lot in this episode. First of all, I would like to just acknowledge how I am so grateful that there's a platform for people to talk about anxiety, because it is so stigmatized, and we're gonna, you know, have an opportunity to do some specific recaps on the show, but I am grateful that not just mother and daughter, but them together, they were faces for people who who identify and may feel like they have anxiety.

And to know that if you are celebrity and you can come and talk in public without any shame, without any embarrassment, and really just offer your story to help someone else. I think there's so much power in that

vulnerability and transparency. I hope that we're opening the doors for additional conversations where people right now, not just when emergencies come up or someone feels like I'm just this is too big of a thing to handle, and then of course the parents like, oh, I've I went through that, Like I wanted to be a conversation ahead of time, and this episode really shows us why we need to end the stigma associated just you are not talking about

the fact our own experiences with anxiety, right, it removes some of the stigma from it. And it's great to start to have these types of conversations with our family members and our loved ones, so we can, you know,

see our way through. As awkward as it is to say, mothers and daughters who want to actually talk, you know, I've seen so many situations where it's either awkward to talk or the mother and daughter are super closed, but even if they're really close, and times they don't talk about health things like sometimes it's just the fun aspects of life. We're just we're getting along in this moment.

So to see them really connect and to see the connection with the fact that kim Or miss basing her, she did see it and her mom and there was nothing she could really do. She saw it in herself. She tried to do something, but then she saw to her daughter and there's like nothing you could do. She talked about how it was so difficult for her to see her daughter go through that experience because she knew

from herself what she experienced. And then she saw it with her mom and you could just see the love between them, right, I mean, they were just loving on each other. And she said it just hurt her worse than anything that she could ever imagine to see Ireland

going through that and like mother and daughter. It only makes sense when you think about it, that the parents with anxiety would have children with anxiety too, especially with Willow being thrust in the spotlight, having a completely different lifestyle and growing up with the pressure of being the

children rather of celebrities like Willow and Ireland. Really it gives us an opportunity to talk about those kind of you know, external pressures that they you know, shout out to them being able to conne this as as young adults right like and sharing their experience of I was stressed because I think that's the disconnect between the regular part of the world and then the celebrity and lead up ruschelon like, oh they have money or access to resources,

they don't have problems, and they absolutely do have a problem. Everybody has their own problems. It's time for us to hear from our amazing community. Our community is our backbone and we love to hear from you. We asked our community. How do you recognize and manage your anxiety? And here are some of your answers. Rebecca Allen says she literally has a card that says reads, It's only a moment and not a lifetime. I love that. I love that too. Meditation, medication, walking,

guided breathing, music, and therapy. All of these answers came from our community members Blue Morrigan to Meka Cousins, Thompson, Shantis, Kramarti, Blackman, and cold Fields. Getting ice and placing it on your chest will help regulate your heart rate, slow your breathing and reduce anxiety. Nisha Hall says this helps her every time.

Thank you, Nisha, Thank you, Nisha. Nonsha girl. We love these These suggestions are going to help other people as well as help us because clearly we're learning new things. We're going to take a quick break, but when we get back, we'll be joined by two fellow Red Table Talk community members. Today we are bringing to fellow Red Table Talk community members to the virtual Red Table. I'm

so happy to welcome Jewel Princess Johnson. Princess was born and raised in Richmond, Virginia, Richmond, where she currently resides and runs her own business. She hosts events like the Down in the Dungeon Erotica Show and other open mics. Princesses here because she, like Ireland, Kim and so many others, lives with anxiety, which is something she realized after she was pregnant with her son and she started having trouble sleeping, at one point staying up for four days at a time.

So thank you, Princess for coming on to share with us. Thank you for having me, Frances welcome. Also joining us is Jada M. Thomas from Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Jada is a twenty four year old business owner of Black Tap Society or BTS, which is an upscale mobile beverage service. How about that. We bited Jada to come because she also understands navigating life and running a business with anxiety. But she has also been able to discover some coping methods.

So we're excited for you, Jada, to share your story and some of those methods with us. We are always here for a method, right car, Yes, Jada, welcome to Let's red table. That thank you for having me. So excited to be here. We're gonna start things off with our weight what segment wait what. This is the part of the show where we're gonna reveal which moments made us pause, rewind, listen again, and just say wait what

what happened? There were several moments. One of our first is the part where Will shared that her mom had been really pressing down her anxiety. I mean for years, okay, Will, I was able to really help her mom realized that and what she was actually experiencing for those many years was really anxiety. Really recently we had to talk and she was like, I never knew that I actually experienced anxiety and she was pushing it down and pushing it down for so many years. How do you guys feel

about that? Do you ever noticed somebody and be like, girl, that's anxiety. I love that. I had to tell my mom my mom was in the hospital some years ago, and actually, you know you're you're feeling anxious from being in hospital anyway. But after we had already she had been diagnosed, we had a prognosis, there were still and I was like, Mom, this is anxiety, and like she was like, no, Tracy, I don't, I don't do you

mean I don't have anxiety? You know, she's a baby boomer so they're tough, and I was like, no, this is it, this is what you have. We talked a little bit about it, and she was able to identify it and was willing to even try to take not a medicine that builds in your system, but something that would give her immediate relief. And so she tried it and it was effective for her. And so I was so grateful that we were able to have that conversation.

But it was because I shared with her that I had anxiety and that I was able to identify in her what I had. But I loved that Jada was able to identify that she could see in her daughter, and that helped her acknowledge and reveal and understand that she was having anxiety. So now Ireland said something about modeling, She said, it ruined my brain. Do you think that coming into modeling, that whole world just sparked a little bit more of that anxiety, just through a different perspective,

through my brain. All the comparisons her body and ability fed into her anxiety been more. This was a white what because how many times have we talked about and seen models being held to some unbelievable, unrealistic standard, right, and that you think about for her to say it ruined my brain, it was a weight. What what do y'all think? It's like, here's your brain regularly, here's your brain on anxiety and then cue the egg and the frying pans from because I swear that's what it is.

Come on, that's dug. Yeah. I think it was brave just for her to admit that, because you look at like models and people who have like their lives under a microscope as people who have like a perfect life, and so I think it was that she would admit

that it ruined her brain. But what's so interesting about that, Just like when social media now there's so many people who are having those same experiences and they're not necessarily models, right, and so like how many other people feel like Ireland in the case like this exposure or this microsoper, these

eyes are essentially like ruining me behind closed doors. So it likes and all those things like seeing glamorous, but like how many of those people like suffering in silence off of TikTok or off of Instagram or off for Twitter. So it was just like great to see someone admit how fame and notoriety also can ruin you. I agree with you. I think she was brave to say that. I don't. Let's jump into I mean, what did you guys?

What did you both think of the episode? It was refreshing to see younger people be open and honest about struggling with anxiety. And I'm always refreshed when I see anyone have honest, taboo conversations. So one thing about that, but so that was pretty dope was that you have the parents to child dynamic, friend to friend dynamic. I mean it kind of opened up different avenues. So I was saying, you know, I was interested, right, Awesome, that's true.

There was a full spectrum of of sharing there, which is great. When you told me that you actually do experience anxiety, that changed my life. Yeah, because my best friends. So what can I say? I love Jaya? What about you? What did you think about the episode? I really enjoyed the episode, and I really appreciated seeing Ireland and her mom talked about anxiety. And I know those are conversations

I had with my mom when I got older. But just thinking about if we could have had those conversations when I was younger, or when I started to show like different signs of being anxious, how you know, farther up we would be. So it's really great to see a mom and daughter be able to be open. My mom and I have a similar relationship. Were extremely close and like she's my crutch and I'm her cut and so it kind of showed me more ways I can support home and then with me sharing the episode with her,

how she could support me. So it was a really great episode. That's great. I only talked about how she had anxiety since she was twelve. I didn't really want to call it anxiety for a long time because I think it kind of makes you feel weak, It makes you feel like you're put in a box. So it's I think I've had it my whole life, since I was a kid. I just don't think I was comfortable calling it what it was. And if you think about it, that is such a young age. But she was self

aware enough to realize she had anxiety. So Jada, for you, when were you able to recognize what was happening to you as anxiety? But when I was younger, no, I just thought I was scary or shy, or maybe I didn't have like the same confidence that other kids. Um so it really took me like getting older. I really say, when I started working from home, I realized that I had anxiety. I never really wanted to admit that that

kind of makes you feel weak. And so once I identify, okay, some of your anxious spells are the things that you do are normal, and you've been doing them for a very long time, I realized, uh, what was going on? So I wasn't as aware as she was at the child. It was me getting older and realized, hey, maybe you making up a lie about why you can't do something. Maybe you had anxiety then, or when you would play the background allow other people to do things, maybe that

was some signs of that. So growing up I didn't realize that how old were you when you identify that? And so for me, anxiety in my life has looked like avoiding opportunities or talking myself out of opportunities. It wasn't until like I was older that I was really able to take on things and take on things confidently. Anxiety for me has looked like having to take blood pressure medicine and only twenty four, just from stressing and overthinking and worrying about things, I will be in a

situationship or relationship, and I will go goes. You won't hear from me from for days on end. It's not always because that's something you did. Is just me getting overwhelmed, and instead of me communicating that with a person, I'll just completely cut people off. And Tracy knows that too, and I've become a lot better about that within the past year. And whatever i feel overwhelmed, extremely anxious, or I'm having a moment or a spell, which is what

I call them, I immediately take a bath. I don't care if I'm taking a bath like three times already. I just know that's something that will call me down. But that's a laundry list of things. It looks different for different situations. But I can say with working from home and haven't just spen so much time with myself, I realized some of those things and now I'm a

lot better. I love that you talked about water because I've seen several people now talk about anxiety openly and what they do, and some of them have water therapy. They put ice in a sink and submerged to their facing a saint. Have y'all tried that. I hear what you're saying I definitely have visited the river. I do, you know, add water into some type of my regimen, but I'm not necessarily dunk in my face. I used to eat ice that was really bad. What not water?

Not quite the same thing. But I know that there are some people out there who can relate to eating ice. It was. It was bad, not car that's a whole new episode. You can't Pika, And yes I did this, but it was also a calming mechanism. It just depending on what season I was in. I have gone back to ice several times. We all know it's not great for you. But in one season it was iron deficiency. Another season it was I just needed something to help me calm down. And you gotta do what works for you,

good or bad. That work for you. It did, okay, girl, Yes I was going through it okay mentally. You know, listen, y'all know this Mine will take you several ways, several places. And in that season that ice worked. Today, after having braces, that ain't it? What do you do now? And instead of ice, that's just a lot more meditation, a lot more meditation, a lot more centering myself. I think I've told you guys, my anxiety manifests physically, so I can really feel it in my stomach. Is like, is that

anxiety or that intuition? Which one is it? But oh girl, that's the one, And I'm just gonna leave either way because I play right, because I don't even want to dissect really, so may have right. I can relate to it like affecting you physically. Oh yeah, that's how kind of when you got on the blood pressure medicine, because I would have like headaches so often, especially like when I was stressed. So when I would worry about something's

like something isn't right. So anxiety for me also manifest that. It's usually a headache or I mentioned before, I think like the stomach ache. And it's just really important to also follow up on some of those things too. Meditation is powerful. It's like I used to get headaches too, But a headache in the back of your head is related to eye stream. A headache in the front of your head normally is related to some type of actual

physical ailment, you know. So again, we just never know what people are going through, and things start to connect after a while. You next thing you know, you have a whole shutdown, you know, so we got to take care of ourselves. That's scary. It's hard to come to grips with it because there's such a stigma, a negative stigma associated with anxiety. Having anxiety or any thing that's quote unquote abnormal makes you different, less than and that's

just not true. So I could see how you wouldn't want to tap into that awareness and then ownership of the acknowledgment of anxiety. I remember being in middle school and we went to like Six Flags. We were probably like thirteen or fourteen, and one of my friends didn't come on the trips, and we asked our teacher, you know why I and this person come, and she's like, oh, she said something about her anxiety. And so then like as a kid, we're like, oh, what anxiety. She neesn'ly

want to come. But like, looking back, that was another moment of us being extremely insensitive. And then my friend probably didn't come on the Six Flags trip because she

she didn't want to and she felt uncomfortable. And so to think about that and to look back on how that teacher reacted, it just shows conversations aren't right right right, And things happened in the in between moments I like to call it like those like that teacher making that comment probably changed the course of how you thought about anxiety the rest of your life. And I was gonna say specifically the fact that you thought, or you maybe didn't come to terms with, Okay, this is anxiety until

you were older. I really think we just didn't have the language to the scribe exactly what that was, or maybe didn't want to use such words because I mean, how how often were they using your household? I've never heard anxiety in my household as far as where my parents live, you know what I mean, Like, never heard that growing up. So yeah, as an adult, it's definitely different. And in Jude, let's talk to you for a second. I know the anxiety manifests in everyone different, it just

looks different for everyone. When did you first start to really realize, Okay, this is anxiety and I might need do something about it. I thought that I first came into contact with my anxiety when I was pregnant with my son. But the more and more I began to kind of like dissect the episode and dissect myself, I realized that this probably goes back far because when I was a kid. I always say that I'm a special kid. I can put together a thousand different scenarios to a

story before you finished telling me it. I know fifty different movie endings to the same movie we're watching. And one of those theories I've come up with it's probably correct. And all of these are anxiety these things. But when I was a kid, we grew up really religious, y'all. And you know how you realize that numbers spelled words if you kind of move them around, and so eleven thirty four spelled hill on the clock if you flipped up.

And like when I'm like thinking of this, even though it sounds small and kind of crazy, But when I was a kid, you guys, I would think myself into oblivion anytime I saw And you know that at least like a day, right, I don't understand. But the most recent times, or at least in my adult life, when I was able to articulate it and at least understanding what was going on, it was definitely when I was pregnant with my son. And it looks like sometimes panic attacks.

I used to sweat profusely. I would eat all day with like a bottomless pit. Those are symptoms of my anxiety, a lack of sleep. Right, it just started to pop up, gaining wait and get tired. Right. Well, well, listen, you're a performer too, did it like did it manifest as well like in your performances or did you Is that

where you found you? So? So what happens before my shows is that I have like a many kind of I don't call them paying attacks anymore, because you know, you recognize what's happening to you, what what's going on. But I call them a little sport, That's what I call them. And it could manifest, like I said, in my arms, like I would literally like sweat through my clothes, the breathing, the fast heartbeat, and then the sweaty palms.

For me, I recognize that this is a part of my job now, and so in order for me to get to it, to do my job, I have to go through this and and mine is almost at this point now almost always temporary. So I don't think there will ever be a point where I don't have to suffer with I don't want to use your suffer with walk with anxiety. What I do say is that at this point in my life, it is much better managed, but it's it's temporary until I touched that Mike, and

then I'm gonna go. Car I can tell you that listen, and you have to find what works for you, right. Yeah, gratefully speaking is not one of the things that causes me anxiety. But it's interesting to me that, you know, I think all of us have some measure of anxiety, the four of us that are connected today here talking about and have some you know, so somewhere on the spectrum of anxiety. And it's interesting to me. Two princess that you mentioned you didn't want to say suffer with,

but instead walk with. And I think that that comes along with some of the stigmas that we have. You think about, like your family and friends. How have you or have you ever had any experience with family and friends dismissing your anxiety much in the way that teacher did for that student going to six Flags and then telling you all you're fine, nothing's wrong, or you should just be okay. You know, Jada, have you had any

experiences like that? Oh? Yeah, all the time. I mean, I think Tracy was like the very first person that I met that I could talk to about different things or issues and the response wasn't like, what's wrong with you or you're overreacting. She's always willing to listen and

to the open. So throughout my life, whenever I've had any type of like anxious spells or I'm really bad about thinking about the negative things before they happen, I'm going through like every scenario of what possibly could go wrong before even getting to the action that I had to take first. And so of course with that, I've been told pretty much all my life that I'm dramatic

or I'm an overthinker. I had moments when I've been out with friends and I've decided to just like up and leave just because sometimes being around a crowd of people can make me uneasy, or something small happens and I'm no longer feeling the vibe. And even with that, it's like, well, where are you going? Or why are you over reacting? Or you know how she is? And then how does that make you feel? Why do you

like that? Sis? People don't understand though, right well, I used to feel like am I crazy or in my tripping or am I like hard to deal with? And then over time you start surrounding yourself with people who can treat you the way you deserve to be treated. And I think that was one part of the episode that I appreciate. Both you Know and Irelen were like, Okay, we removed ourselves from those toxic situations, from those toxic

relationships that people who react the way we deserve. So like are like, now her boyfriend isn't an overreactor or treat her like he's going off the grid or anything. So to answer the question, can we just shout out

her boyfriend her boyfriend? Because man said, I'm a rib with you to the hospital this past Christmas, I had a horrible anxiety attack and my boyfriend she's like, all right, let's go get the keys total, you know, and just getting to the hospital, breathing in the parking lot, I'm like, he's like, Okay, let's go home. You know. It's like making it not such a big deal, not making someone feel ashamed or embarrassed for what I'm caring in the moment.

That's what I'm talking about. What do I need that support? Yeah, Princess, what about you? You mentioned not suffering with and to me that was a code for someone as giving you something. So how has your experience being with your family and friends. I mean, you know, we grew up in a church trying to God fix everything. I have very progressive parents.

My father is alive, my mom is not. And when I say they're progressive, the joke I made when I said we churched for we paid for everything that was probably them fifteen years ago. Um, whereas today we're faced what I worked did kind of folks, you know what I'm saying. We were more of a God is one part, and utilizing the resources that God put on earth are the other parts. The human experience. Come on, I don't

have any dismiss of anything about my feelings. I'm probably the woman I am today because my father unconditionally loved me, even in the times where he didn't understand. How beautiful is that. Yeah, I'm kind of open about my journey and social media, so I've had kind of kicked back from outsiders, and I mean, I got tough skin, and so their opinions never really mattered anyway. I can say that for the most part, I've had a pretty supportive village.

I've always been open and honest enough to admit something is wrong, and because of that, I've always been open enough to accept that something could be fixed, that's good, that's really good or not, you know. And then my other theory in life is sometimes stuff ain't broke and then broken as relative. Yes, I mean, you know, it's all about our own what's our own understanding, what's our own perspective, and what are we going back to revisit?

Like y'all know, I don't love my job, and in this last year I have had to relearn and unlearned several things that I thought were one way and they mean different things. And I just realized I'm continually evolving, which I love. Princess, the fact that you say you were raising the church, I think a lot of people can relate to that in this new day and age and shoutout, see your progressive people. What are the best

ways for you to cope with that anxiety now? And have you experienced any true healing from if Princess and Jada, how do you cope? So my first thing is that, and I think I say this a lot, is me right aganizing that everybody has anxiety. That is probably one of the best things you can do is when you realize that you are not different, because everyone suffers from anxiety. In some weeks, I work out a lot. I told you, I'm meant to prayer, I meditate, and mostly I just

go through it. I recognized that I'm different, and so because I'm different, I have to handle stuff differently. It's not gonna look the same for how you go through it, but I promise you I get through it, and that's okay. Yeah, and that's okay. I love that though. I love that though, Jay,

what about you, how you cope and all transparency. I just start going to therapy and so that was something that I ran from for a very long time, even with like telling my family, my friends like you all right, like everything I find like, took that step and started to go to someone to talk about how I felt. So the first thing would be actually going and talking to someone. And then another big thing for me was

just honoring how I felt. And that was another one that was brought us on the episode was just like, your experience is real to you, but it's very real to you. Your experience is real to you totally, and so instead of spending so much time getting someone else's opinion or spending so much time thinking about what does this look like or anything like that, I just had

to honor have people. So if I get mad my sister for doing something, or if I don't want to go out with a group of friends for that particular weekend, I don't want to go. I don't owe like any explanation at work. If I'm unable to present an executive for that particular week because I have other stuff going on and I just can't do it, I just can't do it. So I just had to start honoring how I felt. And the last thing, just like I said, before finding new new people to hang out with and

finding new friends. It's so important again to surround yourself with people who will honor how you feel and treat you how you deserted to be treated. And so some relationships and some situation ships had to end because they were triggering. Come on, and that's okay, But now mean, let me ask this because it's it's so interesting to me that we're talking about anxiety and we have two people who are here with us today who are also

business owners. There's a tremendous amount of anxiety that goes along with being your own boss, having your own business, being responsible for customers and customer satisfaction. How are you dealing with that? How do you process being successful or pursuing the success of your goals in the midst of your anxiety. When you're anxious and you are a business owner, you have the tendency to do things over and over

again because you wanted to be one correct. And so it has gotten to the point where I have an event checklist and it's like I, I, we are not dealing with how you feel. We're gonna deal with what's real based on this checklist. You've done A, B, C, and D and you're on E. You are not on A. And so organization is the major thing. And for me it was learning to accept help because again, a lot of your anxiety is because you're afraid that you're gonna fail.

And if you do fail and you're by yourself, then it falls on you. But if you pass the ball to your partner and they drop it, then you know it's a little different. And so I had to learn not accept any help except good help. Come on keywords, keywords and and help I understands you. And and the other thing is that I'm transparent with my team. That is key about my own mental health issues. And I outly admit when I'm wrong and loud when it's needed, and those are probably the ways that I make it

through and survive this business. And you're on stage and so that gives you literal visibility to your audience, where Jada, you have a luxury mobile bar service and it's a totally different stage. It's extremely nerve breaking because you're serving people and you're giving them something that ultimately alters their mind in the sense, and no matter like how cautious we are ideaing people or anything like that, you're just

super nervous about what happens when they leave here. I can refuse service to them in my presence, but what do they do when they go to their car or when they're in the back of the event building. So before any event in Trace, we can tell you I am on edge, because that's that's nerve breaking and there's a lot of liability there. The Princess's point, I have to have an event checklist. I have to organize everything that has to be loaded up for an event like

days in advance. And even with the checklist, I'm one hundred percent know what it feels like to stay on the same text for hours and hours it's like we can do this fouls thrown together, tasking down two hours ago, and it's just not and you're doing the same thing, the same box over and over again. So I had to start being more organized and then okay, excepting this is done and it'll go find keyword, keyword, Jada, I am going to accept that I have done my best.

This box is successful. That's it's That's the one though. And you know what the crazy part about it is that percent of the time the box is really successful because we're good at what we do. Or even before even like I'll hyper ventilated, Yeah, I'll be like my stomach, I'll like scream in the parking lot. People really don't know. I have a reverse trick for that. If you're perform

or speak for me, this works for me. Anyway. You run in place really quick to just kind of get those nerves out, and then as you're go on stage, your heart rage is coming down versus going up, so it's actually slowing down before you go. So something a little quick, okay, that's interesting. Even if it's just a quick four or five steps in place, it'll just help you just come on down. It's so interesting how you know, I said, we're all on the spectrum of anxiety. And

my anxiety is not at all about speaking. I talk regularly, I conduct sessions and speak publicly and do personal development sessions. My anxiety really is what you guys talked about with the rumination, like I will think and think and think and think and think again. And like my mom and I talked about that, she suffers from anxiety too, and she calls it making movies, y'all, where it's like one thought connects to another thought connects to another thought. And

typically it happens before I'm going to sleep. You know, it's that time alone. It's a quiet time, right. I started processing. I take medication. Now I was able to embrace it. I had a triggering event that happened years ago in two thousand six that took my anxiety beyond just rumination, and so I started taking medication and I have thankfully had success with that. So I'm not up all night every night, but there are some nights where it's early morning, late nights, and it's just part for

the course, as you all know. And so when you're alone, you give a chance to thank so thank you both so much, because there are so many more things and so many more moments we could discuss, but sadly, Caa, it's that time. It's that time. You all have to leave. We have to go. Listen. Thank you so much for coming to our virtual red table. Oh God, thank you for having me. It was amazing. Jada, it was a

pleasure hearing your story than we'd love that. Thank you both so much, Jada M. Thomas and Jule Princess Johnson, thank you both so much for being here that I thank you. We have had the most wonderful guest. We're gonna take a break right now, and when we return, we'll share our top five thoughts. Tracy, listen, we both learned a lot during this episode, and I think now it's times that we share our thoughts. So I mean too,

because listen, we are presenting car and Tracy's top five thoughts. Yes, this is the part of the show where we speed through the five thoughts slash takeaways from our episodes. Facts. Well, let's fire them off. Who wants to go first? Well, I'm talking, so I guess I will go first and kicking it off with number five, tell as old as time, But you really don't know what someone is going through On the end side, you need to check all your people, check all your people. That is a tale as old

as time empty, which brings us to number four. It again, number four, Stop telling people you're fine. Drop the expectations of other people have of you. Live for yourself, not for others. That he how many of us are caught up in that whole thing of trying to live up to someone else's expectations. And what will they say? What will they think? Who is the day? Who is they stay away from? The DJ Callet told us, I mean he made a whole song about it. Let's kick it

on into number three. Okay. We talked about finding ways to cope, and often people do with marijuana or alcohol, but really self medicating is not the way to go. So that brings us to the article that was recently featured in CNN. It follows a study that says marijuana may not be as great for the mental health relief as originally expected. That's interesting. I have taught some cannabis classes myself, and I'm gonna say, educate yourself. So articles

like this are key. What do you think, Tracy? You know Gammy talked about that that she was experiencing anxiety and that she self medicated with drugs and that she just wanted to numb herself and at the end of the day, it didn't help alright. Number two Kim talking about raising a kid in the Spotlight with ex husband Alec Baldwin. I love that she was honest and she was honest to bless her heart, you know. I love how they both were honest. Bless Alec bald with heart.

You know, he is just the father and they both were like, we don't think he can digest this topic. I mean, in not saying anything against the men or what have you, but the priorities are just different. They've mentioned that alex family had a mindset of you know, they don't they have to be tough, they have to be strong. He can't be weak, and any kind of breakdown that you have, including any measurable mental illness or mental health issue, is considered weakness. So his family wouldn't

tolerate it, so he wouldn't be capable. I mean, they said he's gotten better, but he just couldn't. He couldn't. It wasn't that he didn't want to talk about it or he liked the sensitivity. I don't think it was truly that he's been raised in a family where you have to be, you know, numbed out. And that's a key point because he is in the family of how achievers for sure. Okay, and number one, Anxiety will manifest

itself in different ways for different people. Anxiety attacks can make people throw up, It can make their heartbeat be elevated, they can start sweating. You just need to care for people in their anxious moments. Don't make it a big deal. Don't make them feel alone, unheard or invalidated. In the episode when she was saying, like I just you know, I didn't want to go out with people or you know, it was agoraphobia, just the fear of crowds. It's not you.

I just don't want to go to dinner. That's not my thing in this moment. And people will really take it personally like she doesn't want to go again again. We're paying, you know, that's that's my family, We're paying. What's wrong with you? Like, you know, I don't want to come sometimes? So who I am? I don't have that same fear I I do have her Fred Stanford fear, the fear of your heartbeat I have that I have that it's the big one. I have that that I

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