[SPEAKER_02]: the way that's the best advertisement for that show. [SPEAKER_02]: And now, here are your hosts, Chris Akinson, Jeremy Scott, and Erin Dyson. [SPEAKER_00]: Summer. [SPEAKER_00]: What does that word even mean? [SPEAKER_03]: Like more some? [SPEAKER_03]: Hello everybody. [SPEAKER_03]: It is episode one hundred seventy of Reckitopia. [SPEAKER_03]: My name is Chris Agnison. [SPEAKER_03]: Join by Jeremy Scott.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, I had a really fun joke I was gonna do to make fun of Aaron Reno's. [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot to do my joke. [SPEAKER_02]: What's the joke? [SPEAKER_02]: No, I had a whole thing about Earl and the dying girl. [SPEAKER_02]: I was like three sentences long. [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to end with Eno's. [SPEAKER_02]: It was really funny. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you don't. [SPEAKER_03]: And joined by the aforementioned Aaron Dyser.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let it start us off with some small recommends. [SPEAKER_03]: It's so small and light. [SPEAKER_03]: It's small. [SPEAKER_03]: It's tiny. [SPEAKER_03]: It's petite. [SPEAKER_03]: It's weak. [SPEAKER_04]: Aaron, what do you got? [SPEAKER_04]: F one. [SPEAKER_04]: I love this movie. [SPEAKER_04]: I will say just right off the bat. [SPEAKER_04]: I do not follow the sport at all. [SPEAKER_04]: Didn't even watch the TV show that everybody got into.
[SPEAKER_04]: I heard a lot about it, but I just never got into it. [SPEAKER_04]: Haven't been a racing fan really at all. [SPEAKER_04]: I was aware of Jeff Gordon when I was younger because he was the rage and you know, whatever, but I understand that's not F-One that that's NASCAR. [SPEAKER_04]: I understand there are two different things, but that's about as far as my racing knowledge. [SPEAKER_04]: No, I once did clean up the stands after the Indianapolis, five hundred.
[SPEAKER_04]: with my youth group. [SPEAKER_04]: So there is that. [SPEAKER_02]: So they used your youth group as on paid labor. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, this is very good. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, this is one of those things. [SPEAKER_04]: So anyhow, I went with somebody who is a big fan of F-One and I will say they loved it as much as I did. [SPEAKER_04]: So it seems to appeal [SPEAKER_04]: to whether or not you follow the sport. [SPEAKER_04]: And here's the reason I really like it.
[SPEAKER_04]: First of all, Kaczynski just knows how to tell a story. [SPEAKER_04]: This is Joseph Kaczynski, of course, who did top come fabric and many other movies we only the brave, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Which is kind of an under scene one of his, but just makes great movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think [SPEAKER_04]: In putting my finger on at this time, it has so much to do with his ability to ride the line of trope and cliché and formula, and still make it feel like they're authentic characters you want to be hanging out with. [SPEAKER_04]: So there's like, there's a way you can trip over that line and it just feels, you know, tropey and cliché and oh, you know, movies or whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he has this way of taking, you know, what may feel therapy and saccharine in other director's hands and just making it interesting and real and in fun. [SPEAKER_04]: His movies are just so fun. [SPEAKER_04]: And this is no different. [SPEAKER_04]: Brad Pitt's great in this. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he's asked to do a ton of capital A acting, but in the couple scenes that he does, I think he's up to the task. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm really excited to see later stage career.
[SPEAKER_04]: Brad Pitt, I think there's a Redford path for him. [SPEAKER_04]: in his later career that could be really, really interesting and fun. [SPEAKER_04]: Kerry Condon's amazing as she always is. [SPEAKER_04]: I love Damsen Idris who plays opposite Brad Pitt as these teammates. [SPEAKER_04]: And I guess one of the things you learn about F-One is your biggest rival isn't necessarily the other teams. [SPEAKER_04]: It's your teammate, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because you're driving the same car. [SPEAKER_04]: So the only person on the track [SPEAKER_04]: that you can really gauge yourself against is your teammate because he's the only one on the track driving the exact same car that you are. [SPEAKER_04]: And so there's these interesting rivalries that happen is my understanding. [SPEAKER_04]: So I have an engine hobby of our demo who's also really fun in this. [SPEAKER_04]: This is just a great watch.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just a great watch. [SPEAKER_04]: It's two and a half hours, but it flies by. [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but be aware of that for bladder reasons or whatever reason. [SPEAKER_02]: Since he does really well for me, uh, in addition to characters you want to hang out with, which is I think a really great description is just the visuals like the, oh yeah, even the trailer for this movie showed me racing in a way I'd never seen it before.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my brother watched that show you're talking about and never watched up one but watched that Netflix show and is now obsessed with Formula One. [SPEAKER_02]: So is his daughter. [SPEAKER_02]: And I can't wait to hear what they have to say about this because, you know, they [SPEAKER_02]: They've been watching these races for two and a half years that Brad Pitt has been at filming slowly over time. [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm pumped to see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad that you liked it so much. [SPEAKER_03]: I watched this. [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed it. [SPEAKER_03]: I watched it in fake IMAX where it's, you know, it's the screen and it's bigger, but it's not fully the screen. [SPEAKER_03]: Like what, you know, a real IMAX does, but. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's, I definitely agree. [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed it definitely. [SPEAKER_03]: The brought timer days of thunder stuff is all back in this.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can, you can really tell that brought timer is behind this one. [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. [SPEAKER_03]: I also wasn't entirely a fan. [SPEAKER_03]: Now, maybe you're F-One friend explaining this to you later on. [SPEAKER_03]: But the fact that the best driver is often not the fastest driver or whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you have to use your head.
[SPEAKER_03]: you have to know when to go in and and pit and all that other stuff but but I found some of the techniques of kind of scurting the rules to win races not very satisfying and that's the angle shooting
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah exactly so it's it there's like a like a good chunk of the movie is dedicated to oh look at that wily bread pit he knows the rules better than anybody he knows how to skirt them and like you're you have a you have kind of fun without it first and then it like the next race they're still doing it doing more like oh look at this cheeky thing you can do too [SPEAKER_03]: So I wasn't like a big fan of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was also, and maybe it's because it's the fake I max that I was watching it in. [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't pulled in completely by the driving, especially because of the way they did the races a lot of times.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like a lot of times that if speed and like being the best at driving your car is the way to win these races, then [SPEAKER_03]: I would have seen a little bit more, maybe I've seen a little bit too much of this like, I max bear, like white knuckle type of stuff lately, and it's wearing off on me. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt like the Ford versus Ferrari races were more exciting than the ones that are in this one, but... [SPEAKER_03]: I again, I enjoyed it. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to mean to like completely shit all over this movie because I really liked it, but still there were some things about it. [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I wouldn't like to tweak the couple things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because since he's openly teasing the idea of [SPEAKER_02]: Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise, days of thunder, F-One, like, also. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, he's openly an interview saying these two guys surely raised against each other when they were coming up and some kind of racing, right? [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I believe he's gonna make so much money. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely ever make it. [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely. [SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know. [SPEAKER_02]: Cruise has already been talking about a sequel to days of thunder. [SPEAKER_03]: This feels like a man that's that's his life these days the mission impossible sequels and a top gun sequel and like let's you know, he's kind of gotten into that hole like I want to I want to like make stuff that people go to and you know, you know, it's nothing wrong with that. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just that's just a pretty note.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not it's [SPEAKER_03]: It's not surprising that after he tried all those new movies for a really long time, then those didn't really take off. [SPEAKER_03]: That he's just like, yeah, you're mission impossible. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do top guns, do days of thunder. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do risky business too. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so games of thunder coming soon to a theater near you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did see an interview with Brad Pitt a couple weeks ago where somebody asked him about reuniting with Tom Cruise and a movie and he was like, well, long as we stay on the ground, I'm not going to be hanging out airplanes. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, all right. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I watched a movie over the weekend.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was uh, one of these times we get together with Buds and watch movies and everything on a movie night and one of the picks, one of the selections was shadow of a doubt. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, the hitchcock movie from nineteen forty three. [SPEAKER_03]: I, I, I swore a swear Aaron you small recommended this once, but I could not find it in our emails. [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_04]: I thought I did too, but I didn't, I didn't research it or whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't, and I don't mind talking about it again. [SPEAKER_04]: There's many people need to see this movie as possible. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree. [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. [SPEAKER_03]: I felt like you had and I nearly shied away from it, but then I saw that I couldn't find it. [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway. [SPEAKER_03]: Sure. [SPEAKER_03]: Joseph Cotton is playing a guy who's definitely on the run from some some people. [SPEAKER_03]: Are they are they are they law enforcement?
[SPEAKER_03]: Are they gangsters? [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know at the beginning of this movie. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then he decides I'm going to live. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to hide out. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to live with my family that I haven't seen in many years. [SPEAKER_03]: And what is it's his sister? [SPEAKER_03]: Sister who's like a mother or two, three children. [SPEAKER_03]: This is an odd family, by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the biggest age ranges amongst actors and whatever I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like Joseph cotton who's playing whose thirty eight has sisters like fifty one this is like actual because ages of the actors when the movie came up his sisters like fifty one her husband who's played whose plays whose the guy who plays clearance and it's one of a life is like sixty nine they have an older daughter who's in her twenties and then there's like two other kids who are like [SPEAKER_03]: Ten and eleven or something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the oddest families anyway. [SPEAKER_03]: He goes to hide out at their place and he definitely doesn't want to tell them why they're why he's here. [SPEAKER_03]: He's just here to his own. [SPEAKER_03]: We're here to visit. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just, you know, whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: And at some point, a newspaper comes in, and it's speculating about somebody that the cops are looking for, and that has killed wives for money over the years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't know the name, doesn't have a picture. [SPEAKER_03]: But he's not going to be he's not going to be found out in any way. [SPEAKER_03]: So he cuts that article out of the newspaper before anybody whose family can read it. [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, of course, the oldest daughter figures out that he's cut out the article for some reason. [SPEAKER_03]: And now there's a bunch of suspicion about why he did that. [SPEAKER_03]: Why would he do that?
[SPEAKER_03]: And meanwhile, the cops start getting closer and they start closing in on him and they start, they're trying to figure out, they're trying to get a picture so that they can send it to other people who could verify that maybe this is the guy they're looking for. [SPEAKER_03]: But Joe's cotton doesn't like to have pictures taken of him. [SPEAKER_03]: And even in one scene, when somebody like sort of incidentally takes one, he goes over and demands that they destroy the picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, to tell you any more about this movie would be a crime probably so just know that this is one of those all time intense Alfred Hitchcock thrillers and it doesn't it feels like it doesn't get enough discussion about it although [SPEAKER_03]: I have heard it more and more over the years that, you know, people have started putting it, you know, up there.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't really talk about this like they do North by Northwest or Psycho rear window or any of these movies, but it certainly belongs beside them, I believe. [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's a train in it. [SPEAKER_03]: There is a train in it. [SPEAKER_03]: There is a train. [SPEAKER_03]: Correct. [SPEAKER_03]: So, so there you go. [SPEAKER_04]: Reason to Jeremy. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, reason. [SPEAKER_04]: That's deep. [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is a top five Hitchcock for me. [SPEAKER_04]: It has been since I became a Hitchcock fan. [SPEAKER_04]: My mom introduced me to Hitchcock movies when I was really young and it's hard to separate that nostalgia for my love for them. [SPEAKER_04]: But I think they're amazing movies. [SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy to me how all this movie is and how modern it feels in some of the dialogue and the scenes and the stuff that it's doing with these characters.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's really good. [SPEAKER_04]: My favorite side thing is you mentioned Henry Travers. [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's wonderful. [SPEAKER_04]: wonderful life. [SPEAKER_04]: My favorite running gag is how he and his friend are always trying to create the perfect murder together and like trying to one up each other. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's, you know, heume Crone and plays his best friend. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is just, it's just a really fun, tight, tense movie that everybody needs to watch. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of crazy. [SPEAKER_03]: It was movies like eighty-two years old. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: You, old. [SPEAKER_04]: Draws is celebrating its fiftyth anniversary, guys. [SPEAKER_04]: That's right. [SPEAKER_04]: Jaws is half a century old. [SPEAKER_02]: That's welcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true. [SPEAKER_04]: Our age had passed. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: Of course. [SPEAKER_02]: That was came out of your old school. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and then when Star Wars turns fifty, that's that's my year. [SPEAKER_03]: So there you go. [SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: My small recommend has nothing to do with feeling old, and it's season four of the bear, and the discourse around this show online has got to chill the F out.
[SPEAKER_02]: this show has that we've decided on the internet to put this show under a microscope for weird reasons clearly clearly season three was doom part one and season four is doom part two and they split us in the middle and I want to tell you what the discourse around the bare season four needs to be it needs to be always needs to be a show [SPEAKER_02]: This show has never been about food. [SPEAKER_02]: People, this show has always been about trauma and finally in season four.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ninety-nine percent of the characters in this show. [SPEAKER_02]: All of whom have deep trauma decide to try and heal and watching that journey was magical for me. [SPEAKER_02]: I cannot tell you how many times [SPEAKER_02]: I saw authentic behavior from people with trauma who are trying to heal. [SPEAKER_02]: And I saw authentic dialogue and arguments from people with shared trauma who are trying to heal, but are on separate journeys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's full of amazing performances. [SPEAKER_02]: There are cameos I didn't expect. [SPEAKER_02]: I think the show could end right here with four seasons, even though it does not tie everything off at the end, it feels emotionally like a good spot to end. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm rambling as all hell, and I hope that what that does is tell you how jacked I am about this season.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you thought season three was too much yelling, fighting, and angst, season four is your antidote. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's probably right up there with season two as far as my favorite seasons of this show. [SPEAKER_02]: And I appreciate that it shows growth this year as a theme, even though it was a bumpy road for many. [SPEAKER_02]: I loved it. [SPEAKER_02]: I loved it so much. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to stop.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe the first time, in a long time, that in the three panel version of this podcast, I've seen everything that everybody's talking about. [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I also, I blew through season four of the bear, have been enjoying the show since it came out. [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think this is one of those things that had they continued with the normal thing with this show, which is, [SPEAKER_03]: you know this guy like constantly in his head constantly like oh I've got to be the best of the best and all that that gets tiresome after a while and I know for some people that's that's the origination of the drama that they're looking for but for me
[SPEAKER_03]: I was glad that it took this direction because I feel like you are just retreading your old stuff when you start saying, well, he just can't get out of his head, man. [SPEAKER_03]: He's just a perfectionist and he's always going to be this asshole and whatever, and it's just like, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can we have any kind of change whatsoever reminds me a little bit of like when the last Jedi came out, whatever your feelings are about that movie where it's like, like Ryan Johnson's thing, whether you felt that was a successful change of to the story or not. [SPEAKER_03]: He was basically telling you, you need to stop talking about your childhood and just we need to move to another story or else this is gonna die.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I felt like that's the way the bear approached season four. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's so good, it's so well written. [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I highly enjoyed this. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad that you loved it. [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, this shows phenomenal. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna say something that might sound a little like dating with faint praise for some, but for me, you have to understand that this is high praise. [SPEAKER_04]: This is rolled out a lot like lost.
[SPEAKER_04]: for me. [SPEAKER_04]: The first couple seasons a loss I think are transcendent television and I think the same about the first two seasons of the bear just absolutely transcendent, incredible writing performances drama, story plot characters like on every level of the show [SPEAKER_04]: was hitting.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was one of the reasons, and I think we even came out of season two, Jeremiah, remember having a conversation with you about how hard it was going to be for the show to keep this up. [SPEAKER_04]: Like, how do you keep getting better? [SPEAKER_04]: And then season three came up. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, maybe you don't keep it up completely.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it just felt like it was hitting this space of [SPEAKER_04]: Treading water a little bit and trying to get to the next thing it felt like there was a request to do more seasons instead of just three and so we're gonna stretch this one season out into two kind of things and and I think season three really really suffered in fact if I'm being honest [SPEAKER_04]: Actually, I actually think through the, I was worried after the first three episode to season four.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just gonna be honest. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think there's a lot. [SPEAKER_04]: The first three episodes of this season due to change my feelings on kind of that treading water feeling. [SPEAKER_04]: But man, when we hit episode four, [SPEAKER_04]: with which is the one that I always pronounce wrong and correctly. [SPEAKER_04]: I had a beery. [SPEAKER_04]: I believe. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I think she wrote it and it's basically a bottle episode with her.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a great episode. [SPEAKER_04]: So good. [SPEAKER_04]: It is so good. [SPEAKER_04]: And then Daniel dead while or two. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, bring it in. [SPEAKER_04]: This show brings people off the bench like it's, you know, the most stacked team to ever play any kind of sport. [SPEAKER_04]: Like it is, you know, Daniel Deadwiler coming in. [SPEAKER_04]: There's a moment by the way, I could have an hour spoiler conversation on the bear.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like there's so many things I want to talk about, but there's this singular moment in that episode where Daniel Deadwiler code switches when she gets on the phone. [SPEAKER_04]: And he is so brilliantly subtle and interesting and says so much and like there's just that kind of stuff throughout throughout this show. [SPEAKER_04]: I think four seven in the finale are are my three favorite seven. [SPEAKER_04]: Of course is going to be a lot of people's favorite.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's everybody. [SPEAKER_04]: coming together. [SPEAKER_04]: They clearly wanted to, you know, reuse the giant table from the season of the rehearsal for that wedding episode. [SPEAKER_04]: That's the only explanation for what the table is. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, for what goes on there. [SPEAKER_04]: But it's so brilliant.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, but I mean, even that episode brings back people from the vicious episode and you're expecting trauma and even [SPEAKER_02]: Those people are more interested in healing than Chroma. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, God, it just felt like the message of the whole season was you have to be active in healing.
[SPEAKER_04]: That conversation that Carmy has with Saul Goodman is so good and so unexpected and so [SPEAKER_04]: beautiful the conversation he has with his mom like it's just those moments throughout the latter half of this season are just excellent so just like lost it finishes with the greatest finale and that's just an arguably so until the [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I kind of want it to be if I'm being a kind of want it to be done because I want it to live in the snow globe I've created, but if they have more things to say, I guarantee they'll say them well. [SPEAKER_04]: And you're right. [SPEAKER_04]: There are things left completely up in the air from early in the season. [SPEAKER_04]: And okay, so one more specific thing. [SPEAKER_04]: There's this moment where they're doing this special thing for somebody that's come to the restaurant.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is one of the, and you know, it's seeing by somebody and that's left up in the air, whatever. [SPEAKER_04]: But I kind of want an anthology spin off of the bear that's just those stories. [SPEAKER_04]: So that our characters from the bear maybe make cameos in the background, but it's about people who come to the restaurant every week. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man. [SPEAKER_02]: But that moment. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so good. [SPEAKER_04]: It's so good. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you both liked it. [SPEAKER_03]: All right. [SPEAKER_03]: It's time to get on to our big recommend, which is me and Earl and the dying girl. [SPEAKER_03]: And this is Aaron's pick. [SPEAKER_03]: So take it away, Aaron. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm fine. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm fine. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just that you're so... [SPEAKER_00]: Big. [SPEAKER_00]: It's so huge. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good role, but it's bigger than rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's bigger on the inside. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it? [SPEAKER_00]: I noticed. [SPEAKER_04]: Me and Earl in the dying girl is a two thousand fifteen film written by Jesse Andrews and directed by Alfonso Gomez Rahone. [SPEAKER_04]: Alfonso didn't really direct any other films you probably remember, but Andrews went on to have a story credit on Pixar's Luka and the upcoming Pixar original Hoppers so clearly he's amazing.
[SPEAKER_04]: We start with high school student Greg played by Thomas Mann doing some narration about not knowing how to start his story. [SPEAKER_04]: Before starting his story with an absolute banger of an opening line about murdering someone through the art of filmmaking.
[SPEAKER_04]: He then leads us through his strategy for surviving high school, which involves applying for and balancing citizenship in all the school's different click groups and avoiding hot girls because mooses can't help but kill chipmunks or something. [SPEAKER_04]: We meet a friend Earl played by RJ Kyler.
[SPEAKER_04]: As they sit in an office and watch some fits Coral though, ironic considering the earlier killing people while making movies joke, the office belongs to the teacher that he says is the only reasonable adult at the school, Mr. McCarthy. [SPEAKER_04]: Even though we know that man is secretly the Punisher. [SPEAKER_04]: Next up, his parents played by Connie Britain and Nick Offerman, barge in on his personal time to have a conversation about what's after high school.
[SPEAKER_04]: And more importantly, let him know that his friend, Koff, actually just an acquaintance, Koff, had been diagnosed with leukemia and his strategy of kind of being friends with everybody means his parents now want him to be there for her. [SPEAKER_04]: So he calls to see if she wants to hang out. [SPEAKER_04]: She said she doesn't, but his mom apparently didn't get the memo that no means no, because she's making him go anyway.
[SPEAKER_04]: Cut to Molly Shannon, who is Denise Rachel's mom, hugging him for an uncomfortably long time and calling him things like yummy. [SPEAKER_04]: But she's going through a rough time, so let her creep a little bit, okay? [SPEAKER_04]: Craig convinces Rachel that he asked to hang out with her for a bit because his mom will be a total pain if he doesn't. [SPEAKER_04]: So he charms her with some literal pillow talk before Earl calls him away.
[SPEAKER_04]: By the way, if you're craving more falling in love with your pillow drama, good news. [SPEAKER_04]: Big mouth would take the concept and run with it to a disgusting length as an entire season long plot arc just a couple of years later. [SPEAKER_04]: So you're welcome. [SPEAKER_04]: Get back to the movie. [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, that's the best advertisement for that show. [SPEAKER_04]: You're welcome.
[SPEAKER_04]: Back to the movie, where Greg is now narrating how he and Earl aren't really friends, but just geographically related co-workers who just so happened to both have a Werner Herzog fish that led to making parody film titles into reality. [SPEAKER_04]: And I swear I'd watch every single one of these movies at least once and probably eyes wide but a lot of times.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, then let's Greg know he might be Rachel's last chance to be with a man and chastises him for thinking that had anything to do with his relative to messants. [SPEAKER_04]: Then Greg is innovatively stupid and let's slip to the school about Rachel's diagnosis, but later she seems not too bothered as he gives her advice on how to handle awkward people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Advice that results in him being lectured by Wolverine, but comes in handy for Rachel when he gets all awkward about it a few seconds later. [SPEAKER_04]: and then it happens. [SPEAKER_04]: They actually start to become friends. [SPEAKER_04]: They become each other sounding boards and in the coolest video store I've ever seen, Greg admits that he doesn't think much of himself before Rachel says she's going to make him sit with her friends at lunch.
[SPEAKER_04]: This of course results in him making another pillow sest joke and trying to distract away from it by making fun of a classmate. [SPEAKER_04]: Thus ruining the invisibility he's worked so hard on for so long. [SPEAKER_04]: He escapes to Mr. McCarthy's office where he and Earl sneaks some of his phenomenal fur that is also apparently fur oh of drugs.
[SPEAKER_04]: They write out the high by grabbing ice creams with Rachel and then Earl spills the beans that they actually are friends even though Greg doesn't want to call them that because he's in denial and also that they make movies together. [SPEAKER_04]: The three of them bond and for the first time they purposely show someone one of the movies they've made and she seems to like it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Back at school, Greg is confronted with accidentally letting slip that Mr. McCarthy soup got him high before he has the astonishing revelation that it was probably the cookies that he got from the drug dealer. [SPEAKER_04]: That did it. [SPEAKER_04]: As she moved on, we find Rachel breaking down because she didn't realize how hard losing her hair would be with [SPEAKER_04]: People telling her she still looks beautiful.
[SPEAKER_04]: Great gives her another of their movies to watch and this seems to be good therapy for her. [SPEAKER_04]: So he heads out to record a scene from a box of lips, wow. [SPEAKER_04]: A parody of apocalypse now where they find a box of tulips during the war that makes them say, wow. [SPEAKER_04]: I wonder why I love this movie so much. [SPEAKER_04]: Anyhow, Moose Girl Madison interrupts the shoot by telling Greg, he has to make Rachel a movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: He gives her a word, the word word, to be specific, because he thinks it's big enough to not commit, but it will appease Madison, even though we know he is now committed to this task. [SPEAKER_04]: Later Rachel gets Greg to apply to college, which he does by writing his personal essay and perfect herksawg cadence and delivery, continuing to make jokes as Rachel heads deeper into treatment.
[SPEAKER_04]: A montage takes us through Rachel working through chemo and it's time for Greg to actually start making the movie for her. [SPEAKER_04]: The interview's Rachel's mom who tries to get him an Earl drunk apparently, and then some of her classmates who think the assignment is to be cloying and dull. [SPEAKER_04]: Rachel continues to go downhill and no amount of Greg doing the regretful polar bear is pulling her out of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Greg then promises us for the second time in the movie that Rachel doesn't die at the end of the story, and we're beginning to think that this boy doth protest too much. [SPEAKER_04]: We then hit another narration montage about the passing days as Greg continues to be there for Rachel and accomplishes the very difficult task of doing exactly zero schoolwork. [SPEAKER_04]: This leads us to a conversation about prom between Greg and Rachel where he invites her to prom.
[SPEAKER_04]: She says she's not going and that Earl told her about the movie they're making for her and she wants to know when it'll be finished because she's planning on stopping her treatment. [SPEAKER_04]: Greg's response to this is to completely drop his typical jokester denial and go full into jerkhole denial by chastising a dying friend for wanting to finally die.
[SPEAKER_04]: In some of the movie's most arresting moments, the friendship disintegrates as Greg's self-centeredness causes him to say some of the meanest things he can think of before heading to Earl's house to blame it all on him and get a swift need of the groin.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then it Greg's lowest, Mr. McCarthy comes through with a touching story about getting to know his father after he passed away through his love of what was no joke, the inspiration to that Ya Ya Ding Dong song from the Eurovision movie. [SPEAKER_04]: Anyhow, Greg doesn't appreciate the Sappy Peptock, and heads home where Earl has dropped off his interview footage on a thumb drive with a simple note, I'm out.
[SPEAKER_04]: The next day, they argue over who has custody of Mr. McCarthy's office during lunchtime, as Scorsese talks in the background about the tales of Hoffman, an opera that shares quite a bit in common with this movie, actually. [SPEAKER_04]: How convenient. [SPEAKER_04]: Madison confronts Greg about finishing the movie, and even Madison can see what a selfish narcissistic butt he's being.
[SPEAKER_04]: Later, Greg's mom comes in to tell him that Rachel is in the hospital to die, and he still can't see past his own pain to process. [SPEAKER_04]: Back at school Madison approaches him again, and the chipmunk has had enough of the moose, so he breaks his exterior and tells her off, and then decides to engage in some light fist-to-cuffs with the local high school rapper. [SPEAKER_04]: And having been the local high school rapper decades ago, I take offense at this portrayal.
[SPEAKER_04]: The role rushes in to save the day, and they all get kicked out of school before Madison comes out to tell Greg she wants him to go to prom with her. [SPEAKER_04]: He makes her confirm it isn't a pity date and agrees. [SPEAKER_04]: Cut to prom night and Greg has dressed up in his tucks and the limo driver is asking him all about his date.
[SPEAKER_04]: But just when we think he's pulling up to the high school, we realize he's actually at the hospital and has come to see Rachel and to show her the movie finally. [SPEAKER_04]: There's no big speech. [SPEAKER_04]: There's no giant apology. [SPEAKER_04]: Just two friends in trauma watching a video before cancer does what it so often does and he is sent to the hallway to mourn.
[SPEAKER_04]: The following fifteen minute code of her life is a lesson in the immortality of love when Greg finally gets what Mr. McCarthy was trying to tell him earlier, as he finds secrets about her inner life hidden throughout her room. [SPEAKER_04]: As the movie closes, through tears we realize the narration has been his second application to college, and that because of Rachel's kindness of writing to them on his behalf he will probably get into college and continue to live his life.
[SPEAKER_04]: more open to those around him and even to himself. [SPEAKER_04]: And that is me and Earl and the dying girl, which neither have you had seen. [SPEAKER_04]: What did you guys think? [SPEAKER_04]: Meanwhile, Madison is at her house still waiting to get picked up. [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's older. [SPEAKER_04]: I think she knew what he decided to do. [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead, Chris. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I really like this movie a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, I decided to give it a rewatch, not like a serious rewatch this morning before we did this and everything, but [SPEAKER_03]: But I really enjoyed the tone of this and I really like this main character Greg. [SPEAKER_03]: I like how he does this stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like I was the thing that I think I came away from on this one and I'm not sure if this is what Jesse Andrews was was going for whatever but [SPEAKER_03]: um a lot of times it shows what you know what living in actual life does to art where you know the the beginning of this when we're seeing what kind of artists coming out with it's it's parody movies of of real movies and everything and there's nothing deep to them but they are a lot of fun to watch and you know he
[SPEAKER_03]: He or he and Earl are always like, oh they suck or whatever, but I guarantee you everybody in the world would love watching these type of movies because they're so silly and stupid. [SPEAKER_03]: They're not trying to be in anything. [SPEAKER_03]: So what happens, of course, when they are tasked to make a movie about the dying Earl,
[SPEAKER_03]: they start worrying about it being too perfect and worrying I mean we're not worrying about it not being perfect enough and they are they are they're sort of strangled creatively by the fact that they don't know what to do and when they try to do something they think is right which is getting everybody to talk they realize everybody saying the same thing and most of the people they talk to don't even know [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, her don't know Rachel at all anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's, it comes off false and wrong because it's not them. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not anything that they want it that they would normally do. [SPEAKER_03]: She would probably be perfectly fine if they did some sort of terms of endearment thing, you know, like, you know, terms of impairment or, you know, or terms of endearment or whatever that they do.
[SPEAKER_03]: you know she would have been totally fine with that meanwhile he's working on this thing basically mostly off screen we see a little bit of it when he starts getting on his laptop or whatever but he's working on this thing that really shows how much work and how much care he has for her
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, he's always going to be living this life of believing his movie killed her or everything, but you know, it's just one of those things where I think she is overwhelmed with like how much gratitude she has for that movie. [SPEAKER_03]: It's something that's real and it has nothing to do with some other person's work. [SPEAKER_03]: It's his original work. [SPEAKER_03]: and he didn't put all this millions of thought into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just did a thing and it turns out sometimes you just do a thing and it's good and it's not it doesn't have to be perfect. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just how it somehow weirdly and as abstract as that movie is, it shows everything he feels about the situation, about her all in this one movie. [SPEAKER_03]: It's really, really
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... interesting so that's what i got out of it especially can and then i love the message to john burnthall tying the bear back into this in some ways but but john burnthall's uh... story about his father and how you know you can learn things about people even after they die that really works out uh... you know well later on when you know Rachel has died and he goes into her room and he notices all the little already things that she has been doing miley shannon
[SPEAKER_03]: gives her short shift at the very beginning, like in that interview saying that when her dad left, she pulled out her scissors and cut up her dad's books. [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't realize that she was cutting up her dad's books in a very arty way, right? [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't know that she was cutting like hollowing them out and like putting little figures and diaromas and stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: So he finds this out after she dies.
[SPEAKER_03]: He finds out he finds that little like basically a story of a squirrel jumping across the trees and they turning into different kinds of squirrels as it goes along or I think that's as they were squirrels, but I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: And exactly what John Bern thought was saying is it's like you were noticing a different person. [SPEAKER_03]: Who was this person all of a sudden? [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't know this about her.
[SPEAKER_03]: She wasn't forthcoming about it, but she didn't want to be forthcoming about it. [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't want to talk about herself at all. [SPEAKER_03]: So I found that particularly magical and everything. [SPEAKER_03]: And I just think everything else about this, just the way they interact, I love this dude Earl, man. [SPEAKER_03]: I think everybody wants to have a friend like Earl in this. [SPEAKER_03]: He's just straight up just real and just funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's amazing when you see the contrast of what happens when [SPEAKER_03]: He you know Greg's been talking to Rachel for like however long weeks and stuff and then Earl comes in and Earl finds out stuff about her and he she finds out at stuff about him that they had known for weeks [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's, it was, he's just a refreshing, great center to that whole relationship and everything. [SPEAKER_03]: So really, really enjoyed that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there was one moment in here where I was like, I cut that out or I do something else or whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: This was, this is very well realized and I have very much enjoyed it. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're going to get some snark for me today, but I want you guys to all know at the outset that this movie is fine. [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing bad about this movie. [SPEAKER_02]: I did not connect to it the way you both did.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will try and explain that and also say what I believe to be true good things about this movie. [SPEAKER_02]: The lead, the guy who plays Greg, I think, him and the Earl actor. [SPEAKER_02]: They're perfectly cast, and then they make this movie work. [SPEAKER_02]: And there's some really good writing. [SPEAKER_02]: I like a lot of the lines, Greg says. [SPEAKER_02]: I wrote down, I am like innovatively stupid. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a great line.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the line where he says, if you see me in a talks, it's like when they made the dog where he wouldn't close, I thought that was really funny. [SPEAKER_02]: I just found, I went into it with the wrong attitude, I think. [SPEAKER_02]: I think I went into expecting something more than it was. [SPEAKER_02]: And so I kept waiting for it to be something other than someone is second dying in high school, rom-com, esh movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it really doesn't ever transcend that for me. [SPEAKER_02]: I do love that they make movies and that they're big movie buffs and I think that is part of what cement the connection you guys have to this movie and these characters and it is one of the innovations I think the movie makes but listen if I die [SPEAKER_02]: And you want to get to know me better? [SPEAKER_02]: Don't come to my fucking bedroom and start rifling through all my private shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that whole scene felt off to me. [SPEAKER_02]: The squirrels on the wall, I get it. [SPEAKER_02]: She wrote him a letter, that's touching. [SPEAKER_02]: But once he starts pulling things off the shelf and opening them, it feels invasive to me. [SPEAKER_02]: And the story John Burnthall tells was he got to know his dad better after he died because his dad's friends talked about him and told him about him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not, I went through my dad's office and opened all his drawers and realized that he actually painted now and then. [SPEAKER_02]: So again, again, you're catching snark from me here that makes it sound like I think the movie is bad. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I really don't. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I think for me, it felt about the same as watching, to our stars. [SPEAKER_02]: Only there's no, like, all Frank hurt issues. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, because I think this is the perfect version of trying to do that movie. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it may, maybe it is. [SPEAKER_02]: I just felt like I had seen a dozen other movies try. [SPEAKER_02]: And I was kind of tired of watching that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it feels like a lot of this is [SPEAKER_02]: Just following, I want to say paint by numbers in a nicer way, but we have a great character actor as the teacher who's cool, but the cool teacher is cool because he just lets them do shit that most teachers wouldn't let them do, but it's still kind of a good influence. [SPEAKER_02]: I just felt like a lot of the movie was following a blueprint for this type of movie. [SPEAKER_02]: And so, [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't think it's bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not emotionally connect to it. [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I guess that's really all I would want to say is that [SPEAKER_02]: Hearing YouTube talk about it made me appreciate it a little bit more if I'm honest. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I haven't talked about it yet and maybe. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think by the way, just insert, you know, I think people know not to go into your room after you've died and going and expecting the whole room and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anybody's going to do that, and especially since. [SPEAKER_03]: You have now, expressly said that you don't want it to happen. [SPEAKER_03]: No one's going to do that. [SPEAKER_03]: But in the movie, it seems like she has invited him to do exactly that, especially since she wrote, put two little arrows on the book saying, here, open here, show what this, maybe she, maybe that was for her, so she could find it. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't seem right. [SPEAKER_02]: I agree that was for him. [SPEAKER_02]: She wanted him to see that. [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess I can see him inferring that the rest of that scene she's given consent for that. [SPEAKER_02]: It felt weird to me when he was doing that, especially since no one knew he was in there. [SPEAKER_02]: He's basically snuck in there. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could see what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it was also, it was also a welcome space to him for the entire movie. [SPEAKER_04]: Like it wasn't a space. [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, you get the sense in the entire movie that if he wanted to see that stuff he could have. [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_04]: Like, she wasn't actively keeping him out of those things. [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I didn't, I didn't feel that same weirdness.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, they're all eating the same popsicle in this photo you have showing, but in that scene, they're eating different popsicles. [SPEAKER_04]: They shot that picture on a different day. [SPEAKER_03]: So weird. [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna say posters now. [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_02]: I do want to point out in case you didn't know this. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you didn't. [SPEAKER_02]: You cannot trust everything you read on the IMDB trivia for a movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you didn't know that because for this movie's trivia, there's one note that says this movie was shot in chronological order. [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's another trivia note that says the scene where they sell side eating the ice cream together was the first. [SPEAKER_02]: And those two know this are completely incongruous. [SPEAKER_02]: Only one could be true. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so yes, I love this movie and I love it even more this time through this doesn't feel to me. [SPEAKER_04]: like an astrologer thing especially because you know it's just ten years old so you know I just saw this you know ten years ago for the first time so it's not something I'm attached to as you know like a kid or growing up that kind of thing but but some of the revelations for me this time through are
[SPEAKER_04]: almost in direct counter to the things you were saying, Jeremy, I think it almost every instance this movie makes a different decision than most movies like this would make. [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's most evident with how it ends. [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's most evident with that the final thing he says to her is this isn't maybe what I wanted to say, but here it is. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's it. [SPEAKER_04]: That's the last conversation he has.
[SPEAKER_04]: They never get to have their big resolution, apology, you know, those kind of things. [SPEAKER_04]: After he says I'm out, never shows up again in this movie. [SPEAKER_04]: Never shows up again in this movie. [SPEAKER_04]: Most movies like this would have a code of some sort where he and a role like, yeah, man, you know, I understand you're going through a lot or or whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he does, right? [SPEAKER_03]: He shows up at the funeral.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would not have the funeral to wake or whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: He's, yeah, they see each other in there. [SPEAKER_03]: They talk to each other. [SPEAKER_03]: He walks up the stairs and he follows them, but he's not with him. [SPEAKER_03]: He starts looking through the window and sees the people, whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: So we don't even know if they're still friends after all that. [SPEAKER_04]: They don't proximity, but they don't have that, you know, resolution or whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so just things like that, choices like that, I noticed throughout, I feel like the movie even goes to lengths to say this isn't that movie. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you mentioned romance. [SPEAKER_04]: This movie goes to great lengths to make sure you understand this is not a romance. [SPEAKER_04]: This is not Iran. [SPEAKER_04]: This is a friendship. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not Jeremy. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not Jeremy. [SPEAKER_04]: I think you're putting that on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the movie, both textually and in what it's showing us, is showing us that these are two human beings who enjoy each other's company and like being together, make each other laugh. [SPEAKER_04]: And yes, in some people's world, that means men and women can't be friends. [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_04]: Like they have to eventually be romantic or whatever. [SPEAKER_04]: But this movie never goes there. [SPEAKER_04]: for purposes.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's doing different. [SPEAKER_04]: That is definitely different than any other kind of movie like this would do. [SPEAKER_04]: So in the, and again, the movie is taking great links to say, you know, this is, this is different here. [SPEAKER_04]: This isn't where we kiss with the heat of a thousand suns or whatever he says during that. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll just go into that for a second thing. [SPEAKER_04]: I just think this movie is hilarious and you mentioned it as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so well written. [SPEAKER_04]: There's that. [SPEAKER_04]: Another example to me of how this movie does something different with something that could be seen as a trope. [SPEAKER_04]: That drug trip scene is different than any other accidentally on drugs scene I've ever seen. [SPEAKER_04]: The way it's portrayed, the way they go through it, you know, this, the fact that Earl pops up on his phone, his princess Leia, saying there were drugs in the soup or whatever he says.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: The soup had drugs is what he says. [SPEAKER_04]: Like as Princess Leia, you know, hologram, the soup had drugs. [SPEAKER_04]: Just cracks me up every time. [SPEAKER_04]: I will say, this is one of the hardest recaps I've ever had to write. [SPEAKER_04]: This movie is so fast and so tight.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like every time I'm trying to write something about the previous scene, there are three more things that have happened, you know, in the following scenes that that I'm trying to also include. [SPEAKER_04]: And I just I just left a lot of stuff out just because this movie is [SPEAKER_04]: is that kind of mile a minute script, which I really, really like. [SPEAKER_04]: This movie hits differently after my recent criterion collection binge.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, like a lot of these movies that they're parading, I have now seen, you know, like I recently just saw all the four hundred blows and, you know, seven sea, the seven sea, like all these things. [SPEAKER_04]: And so that's, it's fun to me to kind of, you know, have that extra level of appreciation for the, the parodies. [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I just think there's something really interesting that this movie is saying about Greg.
[SPEAKER_04]: See, most of these movies when you're talking about, you know, a terminally ill romantic interest or even friend or whatever. [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of them are about the relationship [SPEAKER_04]: And that becomes the driving factor, what we realize in this movie or at least what I realize, especially this time through, is this is always a character study about Greg.
[SPEAKER_04]: This has been from the beginning to the end about his inability to live in the real world, his inability, everything he encounters. [SPEAKER_04]: He isn't denial about. [SPEAKER_04]: He isn't denial about his own possible good looks. [SPEAKER_04]: He isn't denial about, you know, his friendship with Earl, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Like he talks about their not friends, their coworkers.
[SPEAKER_04]: Every scene in one way or another leads us to this understanding of Greg as this person who isn't open. [SPEAKER_04]: to actually understanding the people around. [SPEAKER_04]: He thinks he has found the answer and what he has found is isolation. [SPEAKER_04]: And he doesn't realize it until the end.
[SPEAKER_04]: And once he realizes what both Mr. McCarthy was trying to tell him and that there was this human being that he thought he was getting to know [SPEAKER_04]: And really was just still all centered in himself. [SPEAKER_04]: He is narcissistic through this entire movie to make her choosing to die about himself as kind of that final part where you just go, oh, he's got to change. [SPEAKER_04]: Like he's got some real issues he has to deal with.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, she tells him the story about counting squirrels in the forest and then to see that she has drawn these squirrels on her, you know, wallpaper. [SPEAKER_04]: And it's just like, oh, there's this whole other element of people that only exist if I'm willing to open myself up to them. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's where he ends with his college essay. [SPEAKER_04]: And I just, I just think it's a beautifully written through line for that character.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I believe it's truly a character study on him. [SPEAKER_04]: more than it's about their relationship and her fighting cancer. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's uh, he, the movie basically says that he's just been playing at safe the whole time. [SPEAKER_03]: He's been, he, it, it, it sets you up so that you're not hated, which is great. [SPEAKER_03]: But it also means you can't be loved either because you don't take any kind of risks or chances.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so does, is, is, is the question of, do you, do you just want to be on this line the entire time where people are just kind of like, [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that guy's, that guy's that guy. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's all they really know about him. [SPEAKER_03]: Or do you want to actually interact with people and like risk being hated at times in order to, you know, sometimes be loved or liked or, you know, truly thought of as a, you know, as a great person or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, anyway, there you go. [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to say something else about this, but I'm gonna save it because it might interfere with the Super Seeker Double Feature. [SPEAKER_03]: So, um, let's see what our Super Seeker Double Feature is. [SPEAKER_03]: Be very, very quiet. [SPEAKER_03]: Be very, very quiet. [SPEAKER_03]: Be very, very quiet. [SPEAKER_01]: Be very, very little secret to tell you something I've never told anyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jeremy you go I've got a million so you don't have to worry Well I kind of want to I have one that I'm choosing but I kind of want to name another one So I'll give you my first I'll give you my main one and let you go and then I'll come back to my second [SPEAKER_03]: I'd say go ahead and say that out of the one because I've already written down like a bunch. [SPEAKER_03]: So you can't possibly ruin it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think a very lovely double feature that celebrates creativity and art and making movies would be be kind. [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't have a lot of the other elements from me and Earl and the Dining Girl. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's not my official choice, but I did find that kindred spirit of the regular people making movies and entertaining their friends or themselves with it. [SPEAKER_02]: But the one I ultimately would just... Something's a dick.
[SPEAKER_02]: we live in time because it has a woman who's dying of cancer and chooses to go out on her own terms and also I didn't really connect to that movie. [SPEAKER_04]: It also I love that movie so it works really well. [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't gonna say that but I didn't know that so there you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Interestingly enough, Beacon rewind was the one that I was going to choose but I had to [SPEAKER_04]: You made a promise Chris you said it wouldn't matter It doesn't it it doesn't what what is about the I have a whole list means that become rewind can't be picked [SPEAKER_03]: So, yes, that was the one I was going to pick because of the the sweet versions of the movies and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I had mentioned be kind rewind also in reference to movies like when when when we did sing street, I did rush more as a, uh, dutsy procedure double features. [SPEAKER_03]: So I also thought of rush more also thought of sing street, but I didn't want to do [SPEAKER_03]: those as well, because we've already covered that ground and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to go with Super Eight on this one because of the, of the, you know, the making the movies being, being a kid and, and, and, and it and Super Eight is completely different movie mind you. [SPEAKER_03]: But it does have all of this like, you know, what you're growing up and learning how to shoot films and all this type of stuff is in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I think it would make a pretty good double feature even though one is a, you know, cancer comedy on what if that's what you want to call it. [SPEAKER_03]: And the other is a sci-fi Spielberg-esque type of movie or whatever, but I think it works out pretty well. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I'm going to go with. [SPEAKER_03]: The other one I thought of was with seven, the chat was spontaneous. [SPEAKER_03]: I thought would be a pretty good one as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I don't know this. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry about your B-Con rewind there, Mr. All right. [SPEAKER_03]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, why didn't you even think about spontaneous and I feel like a champion for that movie. [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: You uh, that's a good one. [SPEAKER_03]: I thought for sure you were going to say spontaneous in fact. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's wild. [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go on to what our homework is going to be next week and it's my turn. [SPEAKER_03]: And fellas, let's do something light. [SPEAKER_03]: Really light. [SPEAKER_03]: It's called at close range from nineteen eighty six. [SPEAKER_03]: It is not light. [SPEAKER_03]: You can tell by the fact that you can tell by the fact that Sean Penn and Christopher walk in her in it. [SPEAKER_03]: I picked this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I picked this movie largely out of, and you guys can follow my lead or just completely ignore it in the, but I was hoping that you guys would do the same thing. [SPEAKER_03]: This movie was shot in my hometown of Franklin, Tennessee. [SPEAKER_03]: It is a, I remember it being a pretty good movie, possibly even solidly good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's, it's definitely not perfect, but you've got two really huge heavy hitters in this and you have [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of other actors who were like sort of getting their start and who will become big down the line. [SPEAKER_03]: This movie has a lot of downtown Franklin sites, including I believe the Franklin Square, which still to this day has a Confederate soldier statue in the middle of it. [SPEAKER_03]: But it also has, it also has my high school.
[SPEAKER_03]: My future high school is in this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... and my my oldest brothers former high school in this movie when he went boom movie came out after he went to that high school so uh... it's a lot of stuff in there is wanted to kind of like not only do this movie but just kind of go over the whole you know the whole thing with this being filmed in my hometown and and this was just when like shunpin and Madonna got married and the paparazzi apparently like swarmed franklin trying to get pictures of them and stuff so like
[SPEAKER_03]: a lot of interesting stuff happened around this movie and then everything but anyway I believe this movie is on to be you can find it on to be and it's also on what's the other what's the other one that it's on it's on some other free Pluto I think Pluto yeah it's on Pluto TV so you can find it on there but this movie is I remember it being pretty good it definitely fits the mold of what this show is about trying to find sort of uncovered gems and things like that so that will be next week
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[SPEAKER_03]: Any mail, any comments or questions to recatopia at cinemasens.com. [SPEAKER_03]: That's RECOTOPA at cinemasens.com. [SPEAKER_04]: You just, what? [SPEAKER_04]: I just came from set, the set of G-League where I was filming the movie G-League. [SPEAKER_04]: Like you said, I just came from Zix and I was like, that's not a joke Aaron makes. [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to tell you guys a quick story that happened to me this morning. [SPEAKER_02]: I won't take very long.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was pulling out a croaker with my Starbucks because I get every morning and I'm turning right and there's a woman to my left who's gonna turn left onto this major highway and her right front tire is really low. [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: So I pull up a cider and I honk and she looks and it rolled down my window and I wave and I point at her front tire and she waves back smiles and pulls out into the height. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I feel like I did the good deed behavior perfectly and she just was unable to receive my communication for whatever reason. [SPEAKER_02]: She just she thought I was she thought maybe I recognized her from high school and was just waving I don't know but trying to pick her pick her up I guess he's probably on the side of the road right now with a flat tire, but I tried to help [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: People never take any kind of message on the road as anything that they may have to do. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I've run into so many people who are driving down the road without their headlights on like late at night. [SPEAKER_03]: He flash their flash lights at him and they just, you look [SPEAKER_03]: You look back when they when they pass you and they never turn their lights on. [SPEAKER_03]: They never turn them on.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've stopped doing it because people just never heed the warning. [SPEAKER_02]: I just think we all have grown to completely distrust every other driver on the road. [SPEAKER_02]: That's true. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: And for good reason. [SPEAKER_03]: Very good reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like it's like an even it's like it's kind of the what the internet is only I mean it's like as for because we're all anonymous out there and yeah and everybody's just angry and out for themselves and that was that was our first clue about how the internet would work was driving around and traffic. [SPEAKER_02]: If known, the internet will be like roads.
[SPEAKER_02]: You remember in the eighties and nineties, the scare manga rumors about gangs driving around with their headlights off. [SPEAKER_02]: And if you want them to tell them to turn it on, they'll kill you. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Why do we ever believe stupid shit like that? [SPEAKER_02]: Why do we ever think gangs operate? [SPEAKER_03]: Because why would anyone lie to us, Jeremy? [SPEAKER_03]: Why would anyone lie to us? [SPEAKER_03]: That's what we were.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because it happened to a friend of their cousin, Jeremy. [SPEAKER_04]: They had first first hand information. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to get into the whole COVID vaccine stuff over again. [SPEAKER_03]: Just briefly though, it was amazing how many people I knew who don't believe in the vaccine and they're, and their circle of friends don't believe in the vaccine, but they always knew somebody who got it and died.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm in, I'm in a circle of friends who all believed in it, all, all got it and nobody died. [SPEAKER_03]: So [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, most of the time they always pick some other calls of death, they ignored some other calls of death and blame the vaccine, but especially for celebrities who were dying at the time. [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, don't want you to get into that whole rigmarole. [SPEAKER_03]: But that was amazing to me. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, how come I don't know anybody?
[SPEAKER_03]: But I know everybody I know got it. [SPEAKER_03]: So why didn't that win somebody I know died? [SPEAKER_02]: I did. [SPEAKER_02]: I died. [SPEAKER_02]: I got the vaccine and I died. [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't know that. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I didn't know that. [SPEAKER_02]: I should have told you. [SPEAKER_03]: You've been talking to us from the grave. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like John Snow, the red coalition. [SPEAKER_02]: She raised me from the dead shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just spilled season five shit. [SPEAKER_02]: Shit. [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess this could have could wait for the actual episode, but I think it works better as an outtake. [SPEAKER_03]: So the late last week, I was sitting there talking about how Jeremy and I went to that book signing in New York. [SPEAKER_03]: That was back in twenty fifteen. [SPEAKER_03]: And Jesse Andrews was to our left. [SPEAKER_03]: And Nick Offerman was to our right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I had no idea at the time that Nick Offerman was in this movie. [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know he was in this movie last week until I started watching the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: and so I set there and wonder I mean they had to have known each other by this point because that was twenty fifteen when the book signing happened the movie came out in twenty fifteen so I was just wondering if they were like kind of paling around like afterwards and all that I was just like it's amazing to me that I sat there and watched Jesse Andrews to our left and Nick Offman to our right the whole time didn't realize they done something together but it's not to be
[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine what it must feel like to write a book and have the movie come out the same year the book comes out because that's how good your book is. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's got to feel awesome. [SPEAKER_03]: Did it come out in the book come out the same year or did it? [SPEAKER_02]: We went there for a bookcon and there me and Earl and the dying girl banners were all over the place. [SPEAKER_02]: I want to move. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could be either because it was it was still a hot book at the time like I don't remember when the book came out because I was wrong. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, book came out in twenty twelve. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and and so like I think that yeah, he's going to sign that book obviously because that was still pretty a hot a pretty hot property at the time and everything but yeah, it didn't take long did it to twenty twelve comes out with a book three years later.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a moving. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like that's a weird solution. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It's weird. [SPEAKER_03]: I would never have any qualms about watching a trailer for that latest that what what's the project? [SPEAKER_02]: Hellmarre. [SPEAKER_02]: What was it called? [SPEAKER_02]: Hellmarre. [SPEAKER_03]: Project Hailmarre. [SPEAKER_03]: And and someone was like, oh, don't watch it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got a big surprise reveal and I'm like, I would have never had a problem watching this trailer until you said that. [SPEAKER_03]: Now it shows up and I'm like, I don't want to watch it. [SPEAKER_02]: It's so weird. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's such a misunderstanding. [SPEAKER_02]: Like that need, I mean, Aaron, I realize you're completely separate perspective to this conversation because you don't watch any trailers, but if try not to, like, that needs to be in the trailer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And people thinking it's a spoiler [SPEAKER_02]: just don't know the story. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll just watch. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's the point, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Like they don't know the story. [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you want to read the book first read the book first, I'm saying it's not it doesn't what the trailer shows that people think is they showed too much is going to happen. [SPEAKER_02]: Twenty minutes into the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: The movie is about what people think is the trailer, say, or sharing too much. [SPEAKER_04]: Here's the, here's the movie I'll compare it to. [SPEAKER_04]: And I think works as companion. [SPEAKER_04]: You remember when companion came out? [SPEAKER_04]: And apparently, both of you guys saw companion, didn't you? [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if I've seen companion. [SPEAKER_04]: So there are two kind of really fun story turns in that story.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think the trailer gives away the first one, which is really, really in the movie. [SPEAKER_04]: But I didn't know either of them because I hadn't seen the trailer. [SPEAKER_04]: And that first one hit hard. [SPEAKER_04]: Like I loved it so much because I'm experiencing the story for the first time. [SPEAKER_04]: Now it's the same thing you're saying. [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't spoil the movie if you know that. [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of the point of the movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: But if you don't know it, there's something unique and interesting about discovering it. [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe like you did when you read the book. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: But what you're doing is arguing for not watching trailers. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not, I'm not going to disagree with you. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying the average American chooses which movies to watch. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Mark is wise. [SPEAKER_04]: They have to put it in there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is what you're saying. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I totally get it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Like it spoils as much as saying Ryan Gosling is in it. [SPEAKER_02]: That's it's it's it's it's bigger spoiler is that Aaron's like oh fuck Ryan Gosling this.
[SPEAKER_03]: When I rather be able to go through life and just be able to watch movies without the trailer, yes, but trailers have become an intricate part of me watching movies over the years, especially, I mean, I mean, that's how it started. [SPEAKER_03]: What it became when I was a projectionist, I fell in love with trailers a lot of times. [SPEAKER_03]: I loved trailers. [SPEAKER_03]: Same honestly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, that type of thing, like yeah, the problem is yeah, exactly with the marketing issue is that the movies would never, they wouldn't be a successful venture if they couldn't show you what was supposed to be good about the product. [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, with Aaron, he knows he's going to watch everything that comes [SPEAKER_03]: out anyway. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: So there's no marketing issue here. [SPEAKER_03]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: But for me, it's just a part of the experience of watching. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like this is a trailer for Empire Strikes Back. [SPEAKER_02]: And it contains Luke. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm your father. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like that. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I will say that Zemekus clearly did that back in two thousand. [SPEAKER_03]: He did went too far with what lies beneath and cast away with his trailers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, because well, I spent neat tells you the biggest surprise in the trailer and cast away. [SPEAKER_03]: Even has a part at the end of the, we're nearly into the trailer. [SPEAKER_03]: This is, wow, they, they had a casket for you that we already knew he got off the island and he was, you know, everything. [SPEAKER_03]: And like, yeah, I guess we know he gets off the island. [SPEAKER_03]: He's Tom Hanks, but still, I didn't need to know that. [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine if he didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine if that movie ends with him just slowly starving to death. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And he hit a bottle. [SPEAKER_03]: A bottle comes onto the island. [SPEAKER_03]: And it says, by the way, I got married again. [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't give a fuck about you. [SPEAKER_04]: The final shot is just his skeleton into the campfire with the volleyball between his bones of his ears. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_01]: We just been proof. [SPEAKER_01]: Cast away.