What To Say When- A Guide For Surviving Holiday Conversations

Sarah (00:37)
Hey everybody, welcome back to Reclaim You. The entire team is here today and we're gonna do a what to say when. So hey everybody.

Casey (00:47)
Hey!

Abby (00:47)
Hello.

Laura Gordon (00:47)
Bye!

Sarah (00:48)
So the holidays are here. Yay. Welcome to the holiday season. So we thought it would be fun to do a what to say when episode. And on Instagram, people submitted some comments or questions that they like some just like options of how to respond when things are said. So this should be fun. You guys ready?

Laura Gordon (00:51)
Yay.

Casey (00:52)
Yay!

It's like a game.

Laura Gordon (01:10)
do it.

Emily (01:11)
Yeah.

Sarah (01:12)
Okay, first comment. All right, so picture it you're at Thanksgiving, because it's tomorrow. so what does your new tattoo mean? And this person who submitted got a new tattoo. And it's around their eating disorder. And the eating disorder hasn't been shared with this person that's like, what does your new tattoo mean?

Laura Gordon (01:29)
So I have a tattoo that is related to my recovery. And when people ask me about it, my tattoo happens to be in Hebrew. So I'll say, well, this is the Hebrew word for this. And I just think that's a lovely message. So I put it on my body. But I think I might also, in certain situations, say, that's a meaning that's really personal and private to me. Thanks.

Abby (01:50)
Yeah.

My go-to response is just I love the design of this. Do you have any tattoos?

Casey (01:57)
You

Laura Gordon (01:57)
Mm-hmm.

Emily (01:59)
pretty personal tattoo on my wrist and a lot of people will ask me about it and I either give a similar answer to Abby and just say, it's just a design that I really liked or I'll just give a general, this is a cause that is really important to me and kind of just leave it at that.

Laura Gordon (02:17)
Mm-hmm.

Ashley Fox (02:18)
I think I would just say something similar to Abby and Emily of like, it's just something I saw on Pinterest online. I really liked it. It resonated with me. Leave it at that.

Sarah (02:26)
Go ahead, Casey.

Casey (02:28)
spicy. know, it's none of your business. You know, if somebody doesn't like that, that's unfortunate. My tattoos are for me, not for anybody else. It's none of your business.

Laura Gordon (02:29)
Yes, bring it.

Sarah (02:41)
All right, next one. All right, so this one, imagine judgment like seeping out of my being when you hear this question, okay? So you're eating that food now? When did that change? So someone has challenged their food rule, eating something new.

Casey (02:54)
I love this one.

I just get really expressive. Like I'm like, my God, this is so fucking good. Like, have you had any? Like we need to grab the recipe. This is totally disregarding.

Laura Gordon (03:07)
like right away my snarky response was, I didn't realize you were monitoring what I was eating so closely.

Casey (03:13)
Hehehehehe

Sarah (03:13)
Hahaha

Casey (03:14)
yes.

Laura Gordon (03:15)
Depending on the person, that might be my response.

Casey (03:18)
You

Abby (03:18)
Yeah, depending on the person, might just say I'd rather not talk about food right now. How's your new job? Or change subjects, move on. I'm not talking about food right now.

Ashley Fox (03:29)
If we're thinking about Thanksgiving, would kind of just say like, yep, I am. Like this person brought it, made it, it's really good. Like, yes, state the obvious, I am eating this. And that's it.

Emily (03:39)
would give a pretty short answer like, yep, I'm eating it, started eating it a little bit ago, change the subject. Or walk away, if you're able to kind of walk away and go talk to other people.

Sarah (03:49)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay, this is one I know that we're all gonna be hearing a lot of, especially tomorrow and likely throughout the holiday season. Okay, we'll have to do some laps after dinner to work off all this food.

Abby (04:02)
or we don't and we can just hang out and relax and chill.

Sarah (04:05)
I I to.

Casey (04:09)
I feel like I always chuckle when someone says something like this. So after I chuckle, I'm just gonna rest and chill, because that's what works for me.

Sarah (04:14)
Pfft!

Laura Gordon (04:17)
I think I, you know, along those same lines, but sort of putting the point a little further, you know, or we can just enjoy all this food and be with one another and, you know, not like feel guilty about it for once. Or maybe just not feel guilty about it at all, ever. That'd be great too.

Ashley Fox (04:34)
depending on the person, if I don't want to be confrontational, I would just say, I'm not in mood for that today. I don't want to go for a walk. You can.

Emily (04:41)
Yeah, I normally also point out we're allowed to eat and not feel guilty and we don't need to earn our food or work off our food. So let's just hang out and enjoy.

Sarah (04:52)
Okay, this is similar, this is similar. We really shouldn't be eating this or my God, this is so bad to be eating. Can't believe I'm doing this.

Casey (05:02)
Same theory, totally disregard whatever they're saying. This is amazing. Reminds me of a recipe I have. Do you want it?

Laura Gordon (05:09)
So in my head, I just had like the moral.

I don't know the moral police show up or something like that. Like my first response was, you you know, I try not to think about foods as good or bad. Like I'm just grateful to have food. There's a lot of people who don't have, you know, people to gather with. They don't have food right now. And quite frankly, when we focus on them being good or bad, like it takes all the fun out of like the fact that we can enjoy them together. So like, how about we just do that and be grateful?

I'm gonna go get more sweet potatoes. It's delish.

Sarah (05:38)
Mmm.

Emily (05:38)
Yeah, I kind of just try to make it neutral. Like, it's just food and we all gotta eat food.

Abby (05:44)
Yeah, I might comment on just how delicious it is. Like I'm loving it. That's what matters to me. Yum. Just yum.

Sarah (05:51)
Yum.

Emily (05:54)
Yeah.

Ashley Fox (05:55)
I might just go with like, don't see a problem with eating something that I enjoy

Laura Gordon (05:58)
I just wanted to say like in early days of recovery, if someone made that comment, I typically would just remove myself from the room, right? Because I think like, I just wanna honor that like all these years later, that comment, like being confrontational is a little bit easier at times.

But yeah, my early days recovery for a lot of these things, I would have just excused myself from the room and, you know, gone and like had a safe person I can text or like, you know, gone to the bathroom just to get a break and do some breathing and stuff like that.

Sarah (06:34)
Yeah, this is where Abby's trick from last week's episode comes in handy of pulling out your notes app and excusing yourself to the bathroom to take a little break could come in handy for sure. Yeah. So this one is changing gears a little bit. This is a newlywed. So imagine they just got married a couple of months ago. So are you two trying or so when are you planning on having kids?

Laura Gordon (06:41)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Sarah (06:56)
Mmm.

Casey (06:56)
so passionate about this question and I feel like this is one of those that I feel like I need to be corrective. So I want you to know that's never okay to ask people that question and please don't ask it in the future. Like that is a question we need to stop asking and I feel like it's my duty to let people know it's not okay to ask them.

Emily (06:58)
Thanks.

Sarah (06:59)
And I could feel like...

Mm-hmm.

Emily (07:20)
feel very corrective with that question so I don't mind being a little confrontational and telling people that it's not okay to ask and telling them why it's not okay to ask that question because a lot of times people will then express if they don't understand why you can't ask that so letting them know you know all of the reasons why that is not an okay question is something that I will normally go to.

Abby (07:46)
depending on like the closeness of the person or like how, you know, confrontational or ready you feel. might even just say like, that's private between me and my partner or whatever. And then that might be a moment to walk away.

Laura Gordon (08:01)
I am a newlywed and we'll get this question sometimes. And I mean, like it's sort of contextual for me, but I'm like, I'm 47 years old. That ship has sailed a because I don't mind saying that, you know, and sometimes it's, they're like, my God, like people don't have kids, you know, or if like when I was younger, if that was the case, we don't plan on having kids and end of discussion, you know, like if I felt comfortable telling people that about us, but

Sarah (08:19)
like when I was younger, if that was the case. We don't play on that yet. It's the end of discussion.

Laura Gordon (08:28)
I also might use story. You know, I have a friend, I have a really good friend who's been trying for years to have kids. And I know when I ask her about that, it's really upsetting to her. And I try to keep that in mind when it comes to these conversations. So I'd appreciate if we didn't talk about that, about me or anyone else here.

Ashley Fox (08:47)
Yeah, my initial response to reading this was thinking that a lot of people get asked this a lot of newlyweds. It's the constant question that they're expecting at Thanksgiving. So having this prepared of like, yeah, we've been getting asked that a lot by everyone and we really want to keep that between us and we're not talking about it with other people just so that in the future they know that it's off limits.

Sarah (09:09)
There's another response written here. I don't think anyone said it. Right now we're focused on the joy of being married. So what's new with you these days? That's a great one.

Casey (09:17)
like that one.

Sarah (09:18)
This is another kids type question, especially this time of year when people are vacationing. Any vacations planned? why not? You don't have kids. You should really be doing X, Y, Z, going to Vegas or whatever.

Casey (09:32)
Ugh.

Laura Gordon (09:34)
My immediate knee jerk response to that, like, when I put in my responses to these, I had time to think about them, right? Like I was like, my immediate knee jerk, are you going to be paying for that vacation?

Sarah (09:43)
That's a good one.

Abby (09:44)
Okay.

Casey (09:45)
Hahaha.

Laura Gordon (09:46)
Like, fuck you. You don't know our situation. But my my nicer response that's less computational as well. Nothing at the moment. How are you spending your time these days? Just putting it back.

Sarah (09:48)
We don't know our situation, but my nicer response is the competition.

Okay.

Emily (09:59)
Yeah, my knee jerk reaction was also, you going to pay for it in like a jokey tone or like, do you know how expensive vacations are? Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. In this economy? What?

Sarah (10:09)
Like, would you like to contribute to my vacation fund?

Laura Gordon (10:11)
Hahaha!

Ashley Fox (10:12)
you

Sarah (10:15)
you

Laura Gordon (10:16)
you

Casey (10:16)
feel like if anybody I knew was asking me that question, it would just go to show that they don't know me at all. Number Number two. I just plan on relaxing in ways that feel good to me, which is not going on a plane, not staying in a hotel. I just don't like

Abby (10:33)
Yeah, knee-jerk internal reaction to this is just like for anyone to tell anyone else how to live their lives is ridiculous. I might not say that out loud unless it's like a person that I feel really comfy with and can just say that. But I think, yeah, something along the lines of I just like to take it a day at a time and that's it.

Sarah (10:43)
feel really comfy with and can fix that.

Ashley Fox (10:54)
try and like change the subject. I'm like nope nothing upcoming, no vacations, but I've been really getting into blank blank blank recently like let's talk about something else.

Sarah (11:04)
So good. All right, body comments. So you look so, insert body comment here, because we know this is coming.

Casey (11:05)
Good one.

the look of usually enough. I feel like I'm very, you can tell how I feel on my face. Which for people, maybe you don't feel comfortable confrontating with words. Remember you can confront with your body, you can set boundaries with your body. For some people that's like walking away, but for some people it could just be like, hmm, or.

You know, like any face that makes someone else uncomfortable, just throw it their way. But I just totally disregard the subject. I tell you about this new hobby I started. It's like nothing about that at all.

Abby (11:44)
This is tricky because it depends on context, but I'm just thinking of maybe like personal experience and like, again, gut reaction to this response. And again, might not work for everyone, but just like, feel amazing today or I feel I'm feeling really like excited to be here, like just shifting the focus to how you are feeling in that moment. Again, depending on context, person, comment, and then like,

Sarah (12:01)
excited to be here, like just shifting.

Abby (12:12)
changing the subject. How are you feeling lately? Like how are you feeling to be here today? Yeah, something like

Sarah (12:14)
like how are you feeling to be here today?

Ashley Fox (12:18)
feel like this one, similarly to what we were talking about earlier, like the corrective answer, I feel like I would need to do this in this situation of like, I'm sure you had really good intentions making that comment, but I prefer not to talk about my body. Like, please do not make those comments again in the future so that can avoid having to deal with what kind of response do I do next time it happens.

Laura Gordon (12:36)
This is one of those that especially depending on my like earlier in my recovery, but even today, depending on like kind of what, what mood I'm in or like what the day looks like. It's one of those where I might just excuse myself and step out. Like, like I'm not having this conversation. I'm not even letting myself being in a space where this is being brought up.

Emily (13:00)
actually had a client tell me that they did this back in the day and I thought it was the funniest thing.

Abby (13:03)
it.

Emily (13:05)
they would repeat exactly what the person said to them back to them. they would like, regardless of what they said, like, you look like you lost weight. They'd be like, you look like you lost weight and just say it right back to the person. And they said normally it would be enough to like get them to stop and be like, what? Just to point out, like, don't say that to people. Like, I don't love that.

Casey (13:26)
I don't know.

Sarah (13:27)
Hmm

That's a good strategy. Okay, the next one is comments about kids or growth or about diets in front of kids.

Casey (13:37)
I actually had this situation come up recently at a family dinner where someone was saying to, think, this child was like nine, 10 years old, like, are you really gonna eat all that dessert? And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm gonna step in a second. I'm gonna step in a second. Like, let's not do that. She does not need to hear that.

Absolutely not. And you know, I think my presence enough was uncomfortable. So I was like, no, we're not doing that. And I said, how was that ice cream delicious, right? Had the same thing. Little wink and off you go.

Abby (14:20)
I'm even thinking I might like say something again if it's sort of within earshot a comment is made within earshot of kids. I could see myself saying like it makes me so sad that we as adults right have to be so hyper vigilant around food let alone children just to like reflect back how sad and like ridiculous that is to be putting on anyone let alone young children.

Casey (14:40)
you

Laura Gordon (14:45)
I kind of think like if the, in the context, like if the kid is in the room or the kids are in the room, like if someone said something like, are you gonna eat all of that? Like Casey, in your situation.

I mean if I knew

the dynamics, I can think of certain people in my family where I know the dynamics in a way that I might say, hey, so and so, like, I'm actually going to go get some of the pie too. Do want to come with me? Maybe we could, let's go eat it outside together. Like it's so nice outside or, like bring the kid along with me and just support them and take them away. And then later, like have a conversation with the adult without the kid. Cause there is that like, pardon me that,

Sarah (15:19)
There is that like, pardon me, that I remember as a kid, no one stood up for me, but I think even if someone did, I might still feel like that.

Laura Gordon (15:23)
I remember as a kid if people made comments, even no one stood up for me, but I think even if someone did, I might still feel like that shame and not know how to deal with it. So like helping to steer them and give them support and then addressing it individually later might be the way I go.

Sarah (15:41)
I think I often go a couple of ways. mean, one way I usually go is just like, We don't talk about bodies in our family. You know, we're helping our kids learn how to trust themselves. And then as someone who has a kiddo with feeding struggles, it's a more sensitive topic for me. So I do a lot of educating to about like, we don't we don't talk about foods, we don't talk about growth, because it's actually like really stressful, and we're managing it the best that we can.

So I could go a couple of different ways, but it feels like the boundary to protect our kids is often easier than setting the boundary for ourselves.

Laura Gordon (16:14)
Hmm.

Sarah (16:15)
Okay, next one. This is a good one. Don't you think you should just get over that for your mom's sake?

Casey (16:20)
I feel like with this one, my teenage part comes out and it needs to simmer.

I keep it short and sweet so the fuse doesn't break. I don't discuss that with you. The end. That's one I might have to walk out of the room.

Laura Gordon (16:33)
I just feel so much snark well up in me.

Casey (16:36)
you

Laura Gordon (16:36)
And the response that is probably best for me to give is, you know, that matters really private. I'm going to go refill my drink because I could really use a drink now in my head. Not to them. Can I get you anything while I'm up? You know, just like excuse myself. But part of me wants to be like.

Like there's this snark in me that's like, wow, it only took you 10 minutes to ask me that question. I was expecting it five minutes in. Good for you. How about next time we try to not ask it at all? That would be great. Thanks. You know, but again, my family's pretty sarcastic to begin with and that's not always helpful either. I recognize that could start more fights. So in my head, I might have the conversation that way, but in my real time, I might be more.

Sarah (16:52)
like there's this.

Casey (16:56)
Hahaha

Sarah (16:56)
I was expecting it five minutes in. Good for you. How about next time we try to not ask it at all? That would be great. Thanks. You know, but again, my family's pretty sarcastic to begin with and that's not always helpful either.

Laura Gordon (17:18)
measured.

Abby (17:19)
feel like I have said at some point in time something along the lines of how I navigate my own emotions or process related to this thing that you're talking about is up to me. Like I decide how I move through this, not you.

Sarah (17:24)
I navigate my own emotions or process related to this thing that you're talking about is...

Casey (17:34)
Mmm.

Sarah (17:37)
Mm-hmm.

Thanks.

Ashley Fox (17:39)
This was a tough one. think initially I was like, I would change the subject and like not talk about it with them. But I like after you said it out loud, my initial reaction was like, leave. Like when Casey and Laura were saying that, I think that I couldn't have a conversation with that person in the moment. Like I would need to leave.

Sarah (17:41)
you

like if you put it out loud, my ears will be

Emily (17:56)
I think I would also probably leave and just say something kind of similar to what Happy said. Like, that's something that I'm, you know, working through on my own with XYZ person and then try to get away from that person.

Sarah (18:13)
All right, next one. This is coming from a single person. I can't believe you haven't found someone yet.

Laura Gordon (18:18)
how many times?

Sarah (18:20)
Hahaha!

Laura Gordon (18:21)
single most of my adult life? And this question. And so my response after I got past the snark, because you my teenage self shows up too.

You know, I appreciate that your intentions may be good making that comment, but when I hear you say that, what I'm hearing is that somehow being single is a bad thing. Like it's negative and I actually enjoy being single and I love the freedom that I have to continue and explore my own interests, to enjoy the company of the people that I have in my life. My life's really full and, and so for me, it's a really positive thing.

Casey (18:55)
my sass comes out full. This one and the kids one is just ugh. I used to say, if I want to find someone, I will do that when I feel like it.

if if i want to

Abby (19:07)
Yeah, for this one, I pulled a page out of like that affirmation that some people find helpful, like my body's the least interesting part of me or whatever, like kind of along the same lines. Finding someone is maybe the least interesting part about me. So do you want to hear what's going on for me lately? What I've been doing? I don't know, just to kind of shift the subject, but also let them know like this isn't, you know, there's a lot more to me and what's going on for me then.

Sarah (19:14)
or whatever, like kind of along the same lines. Finding someone is maybe the least important part about me because you don't care about what's going on for me, what I'm pursuing.

and also let them know.

Abby (19:32)
finding someone.

Ashley Fox (19:33)
I think similarly to Abby, I would try and change the subject until there's a lot of other things that I'm doing. If it happens, it happens, but I have a lot of other things going on, and let's talk about that instead of my relationship status.

Emily (19:45)
I I would probably point out that it's also not that easy. So like probably saying something snarky like have you like tried online dating today or where do you suggest that I go to find this person? Something along those lines.

Casey (19:56)
Hahaha!

I like it.

Sarah (20:03)
I was thinking that too, Emily, about like, like, have you seen the clusterfuck that is online dating? Like, it is not fun.

Emily (20:08)
Yeah.

Laura Gordon (20:08)
Hmm

Casey (20:10)
It's rough out there.

Emily (20:14)
Yeah, even what Casey just said, being like, it's rough out there. Like, do you want to do this?

Sarah (20:20)
Okay, this is our last one, appropriate for tomorrow. You have so much to be grateful for.

Casey (20:26)
I love this one. I feel like you can get so creative with it. You know, you can be sarcastic, you can be honest. I just say I'm grateful that I can set boundaries to protect my peace.

Abby (20:38)
This is a nice education moment maybe not in like any kind of, like gratitude can exist. Like did you know gratitude can exist amongst many other emotions? Yeah, lots to be grateful for. And I'm also like pissed in this moment or upset or whatever is happening. Yeah.

Sarah (20:44)
can exist amongst many other emotions. Yeah, lots to be grateful for. And I'm also like pissed in this moment.

Casey (20:54)
The duality, I love it.

Laura Gordon (20:56)
I couldn't come up with one of these. But I...

Abby (20:58)
Yeah.

Laura Gordon (21:00)
There's not one that would be appropriate.

Sarah (21:00)
Not one that would be appropriate. Let me just say, I just want to normalize that.

Laura Gordon (21:04)
But let me just say, because I just want to normalize that.

when these things do come up, like in a vacuum, it's easy to come up with a response, but in it, sometimes it's messy, right? So like sometimes we get messy and that's cool. And we can always, you know, like there's, there's opportunity to, to repair and clean up too. but sometimes things need to be made messy, you know, in a way to make a point. But, you know, I think for me,

Sarah (21:25)
I'm thinking to be made messy. In a way, you make it silly.

Laura Gordon (21:32)
I'm really grateful that things that used to really piss me off don't piss me off as much anymore.

Casey (21:40)
Mm-hmm.

Abby (21:42)
with a smile.

Emily (21:44)
I feel like I would say something similar to Abby. Like, I'm imagining that being said because someone is trying to tell you to not feel something else that they might be uncomfortable with. So pointing out like, yeah, I am grateful for things, but I'm also allowed to be sad or upset or mad or whatever it is.

Sarah (21:55)
Okay.

Emily (22:07)
and just leaving it at that.

Sarah (22:08)
Yeah, so in all of this, in, you know, anticipating maybe comments that people are going to make or have made in the past or maybe have made over the past weekend, who knows? it feels important to understand that you have a lot of choice in how you respond. And there are certain people that you might respond with humor to or with just like walking away or, you know, with a direct boundary. And I think it really depends on where you are in your life. And there's no wrong way.

Does anyone want to kind of weigh in on any of that?

Laura Gordon (22:38)
it gets easier with time.

You know, for anyone who's like, I don't think I can do this. You know, some of my clients are like, I think I might just be getting sick for Thanksgiving and not going right. And that's a completely valid place to be in. If that's what you, you know, what you know is best for you. Sometimes we don't have to challenge everything right at once, especially this time of year, you know, we can work on getting you prepared.

to be able to enjoy Thanksgiving in the future. Maybe this year's not the year, depending on what's going on. And I might also say to that person, okay, so if you're not gonna go, what are you gonna do for yourself? Like to be thankful for the fact that you can make this decision and put yourself first, you know? To not like deny ourselves, because some people might make that decision and be like,

what was me, know, I can't go and be really angry. And I think all that stuff is okay. But like, don't ruin your don't let others ruin your day. Like others being jerks ruin your day, right. And it just it gets easier with time and and also, as corrective as we may be, some people just are never going to hear it. So to sort of pick and choose like

Is this what I want to get into with this person today knowing who they are?

Sarah (23:57)
this afternoon.

Casey (24:00)
It's not cookie cutter. Every situation is different. I think something that I wish someone had told me years ago is that it's also okay to succumb to the bullshit. You know, like we're saying these things as people who have done a lot of work in ourselves. But there was a time where I would agree with people or...

Sarah (24:11)
Yeah.

Casey (24:21)
give them exactly what they wanted to hear because my nervous system was all jacked up. So if your nervous system is dysregulated, if you're doing it just because that's the safest thing to do for you, then that's totally okay too.

Abby (24:34)
Yeah, and we've hinted at it, to not respond at all is also a response. And I've been watching, rewatching a lot of Broad City if anyone's seen it. And Abby always pulls the like, someone's calling me, but just like make sure your ringer's off because you don't want it to be like Comedy Central. You're like, someone's not calling me. I gotta go. And then your phone rings. But I've been watching her do that episode after episode and it cracks me up. She's just like, you know, someone's calling me and she's just making up some ridiculous.

Sarah (24:39)
watching rewatching a lot of broad city if anyone's seen it and abby always pulls the like someone's calling me but just like make sure your ringer's off because you don't want it to be like in central you're like someone's calling me i gotta go and then you're probably but i've been watching her do that ever since her episode and it cracks me up she's like you know someone's calling me and she's just making up some of the videos

Casey (24:42)
love.

Hahaha!

Abby (25:04)
Scenario so I love it such a good one the Abby move Abby with an eye Abby Jacobson

Casey (25:05)
Love that show.

Emily (25:11)
Yeah, not responding or walking away is still setting a boundary. I think sometimes when we talk about boundaries, people think that it has to be this like confrontational thing where you like express your boundary and like get into it and it doesn't have to involve that, especially if it is someone that you might know unfortunately isn't going to respect that boundary. Sometimes we have to just take it upon ourselves and

get out of the situation and that is still setting a boundary.

Laura Gordon (25:40)
One look can say many things to a person.

and turning your back and walking away can also say a lot.

Sarah (25:45)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And the discomfort of, like I think we said in some of these responses, like, I'm just not comfortable talking about this, right? That, yeah, that can be enough. And it's also hard. It's also hard to do.

All right, is there anything else anyone wants to add before we wrap up?

Casey (26:03)
Good luck, keep your peace.

Sarah (26:04)
Okay, everybody, that's it for this week. We hope this is helpful as we roll into the holiday season and we'll be back next week for another episode. So until then, see ya.

Laura Gordon (26:16)
Hmm.

Abby (26:16)
Bye.