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Welcome to reboot Republic the podcast that goes behind the headlines and looks of the big issues in this Republic of inequality. We are the podcast of solutions in the podcast of hope I'm your host Rory Her, and delighted to be joined on the panel today, on the podcast today by a an incredible panel who are all working really, really hard. To nurture hope at this time, we've seen, you know, riots, erupt in C and the course they didn't interrupt out of nowhere.
Being organized by Far and whipping up hate again against vulnerable people, really, really sad to see, but this podcast is about hope and looking at ways forward.
I'm joined by counselor, John Lyon, by an Mcdonald of the hope and courage collective, and by counselor Daniel En, who featured in the Or documentary, the locals which I really, really would encourage people to look at really, really interesting look into the the local elections and the different people involved, and, you know, really as suppose the the way in which we can try turn the tide. But listen, they will need to talk about what's happened. It's all over the papers today. It's been
all over the media. It's you know, on social media. The the burning of the center that or the the... What was due to be a space accommodation for Ipa pass, people fleeing refuge, protests of been ongoing there for quite a while. Unfortunately, It wasn't dee escalated. John, just to go for you first, go to you first, your a counselor in the area, what just what's your analysis of where we're at now?
Well, look, I think yesterday it was incredibly difficult, primarily for the people living around the area. The workers on that size, the security, and the few workers that were brought on to prepare that size. And then also top f brigade, To boss at the garrison themselves, all face a very difficult situation. I think Just to let people know that that that site the former Crown Factory is on the Formaldehyde road. Yes. But
it's actually surrounded by housing. There's housing right next to it there's housing behind us. There's businesses behind us. There's housing across the road. So I think there was a lot of shock. I think there's a bit of disbelief a lot of anger and fear with people living around the area that something significantly, more dangerous was going to happen. Because they saw the fires. They saw the digger being, set of ablaze. They saw some of the mattresses that were going to be brought in
being set ablaze. And attempts to set the building itself, the the former factory been set on fire it didn't happen. But I think the potential for that to have caused some really serious injury to life was there. And I think people are rightly shocked. People speak about there willie bins been taken from their front gardens to be set. Some people were having their car smashed in, others who tried to intervene to protect their possessions were assaulted.
So there's a huge follow today, Rory from what happened yesterday. Look, I think this was inevitable that was going to be some conflict. You know, the far rise up been active. They've been engaged. They've been there. At the story for a number of months. And Are, as we know is the politics of avoidance of hay, of spread and fear and just information. They've done a good job. They've been allowed Do a good job over the last period of time.
There's been a tariff of information. There's been a complete lack of engagement from the departments of integration. Since April, when we call first us, public representatives did attend and some community representatives amazing in early April in the area, but at that meeting we called for real engagement with with the community. Now that wouldn't have way shape or form I don't think completely removed the potential for violence. That was there. The fire right, we're gonna do something.
And these people have no interest in the community. Yeah. These actors. There's an overlap between the far rise and criminal elements. They were there. They've no interest. They've no concern. I've never seen them campaigning on the lack of affordable and public housing. Never seen them talk about the death of, health in the area, the local lack of investments in community and social and sporting infrastructure.
And it was revealing the fact that they sell a light, or try to set a alight the factory with no regard to the people living right next start. So they have no interest in the community. They come across like that, but they have asked absolutely in Nor regard for the people living in Ko, and we have to say it quite clearly. I've been on a few interviews today.
You know, I shouldn't have to say but quite obviously, the majority of people living in c thousands of people families, individuals and couples you know, out, you know, a poor the avoidance that they saw yesterday. K gray area representative for 10 years, I hope to representative it for the years to come. People are decent their goats. They look after their families. They look after the neighbors. They're they're calling their Karen. Yet. There are issues in the area.
You know, there are tough people who know that the earth stage hasn't done many favors over the years, with regard to the lack of investment in housing. And the order serves as that I've just mentioned.
But it's a great community. Yeah. The volunteer ethic is there, through the clubs, dance sk, sports clubs, everything to give children the best opportunities in life from that area, despite the fact that there hasn't been the, requisite of investment to over decades, by the state, So a great area and it's very shocking as nationally, people are going see the the name Ko associated with this violence, but it's completely un representative. Our the vast majority of people and people look. Yeah.
Absolutely. And I think that it really is you know, it's complex as well because as you mentioned there, you know, there is, you know, c and parts of Darn or some of the most deprived areas in the country. And you talk, you know, the lack of services, and, you know, the lack of investment, the under investment, the social exclusion, and, of course, what the far writer doing is using all this social exclusion and whipping it and turning it on?
Those most vulnerable, and it is 1 of the most frustrating aspects of it, and because they offer, you know, no forward solutions on that, Need Mcdonald from the Hope and Courage collective. You've been, you know, working for quite a while in terms of both highlighting the far right and also trying to work on messaging and how we can, you know, try and connect with people and both, you know, I suppose to convince people and and win people away from
their arguments because there are... There's no getting away their arguments are getting resonance. And you know, that is the other side of it. There there are people agreeing with them and there are people will come out and engage in, as we've seen in violence in support of it and, as I said, you know, there's different factors behind that, but there's no getting away from their growth in terms of the influence of their message. What's your sense of significance of what happened in C lock and
what do you think is gonna happen? What do you see happening in the coming days and weeks? Yeah. The big moment right there, Rory, I think, you know, and is not too far from the riots. The 20 third third of November in 20 23, and no lessons from the state have been learned from that nice. That was very, very apparent. You know. So there's a couple of things I suppose I'd like to talk about. As I said the role of policing yesterday. Yeah. The role of social media?
The patterns of the fire rights that could be easily identified, and also known a coal of the fire rise. So I think before we get on to message and stuff we need to look at what's in front of our face right now because everybody's angry. Lots of people are angry for a lots of different reasons, Rory. Yeah. Jeremy, people who were at the protest. Yesterday say they were angry or at all. Some people were just looking. You know, not everybody was involved.
So people were just looking, And we have really careful how we talk about this and how we talk about communities because, otherwise, we're gonna give the far rate a gift and just hand communities over. To fire rates. So that's 1 thing I'm extraordinarily conscious of and talk about maybe, like, first of all, I talk about a little bit about the role of kinda like the police, it went from actually being absent to them being over police and Are actually extremely violent in some ways.
So if you looked like from what we could see from about half 4 or 05:00 in the morning, you could initially see that the site had been cleared. And a barrier had gone up. Right? This is kind of 1 of the first videos that we sell about 05:00 in the morning. And there was no police or anything there that stage there's just security meant, a migrant security man of color, which in the context of the situation is a very dangerous thing to do and it's not by worker that
our workers rights to. And it's not protected, and I'd love to see where the trade unions are are are going to talk about that and what happens around that because a lot of the stuff fire is a workers rights issue as well. Because workers where the face. And then they talked till about half 10 for a significant police presence. And at that stage, if you looked in, you could see those was of firing on the left hand side where the Anna nolan and kinda of
transport truck. I'm assuming that's the mattresses. And in all the the... It was quite flimsy barriers were ripped down, and then you could see people going in, and they were going for for the Jc, which was the big molly shop. I think it's like that everybody remembers that went up on fire, and the crowd started So there's that space of time. That's... As John said, we knew something would happen. The violence would be there. The particular behaviors
you come from. Previous incidents with the fire right across the country. So there wasn't seem to be a significant plan or organization in place around at that present moment in time for that period of time. And then suddenly, it did come in. And then a lot of it was quite over police in places as well. You know, where there was extreme policing at the same time. So I'm, like, again, for us, all the time, we never understand what the police in
operation is. It's on uneven across the country and it's inconsistent. And it's likely don't seem to acknowledge or observed that there's patterns of the fire right behavior that are easily to be identifiable to all of us here in this room, and we can predict what patterns are going to happen. And then we can see that the role social media played in none consistently on social media, this was amplified. Across
the country. And you could see that actors, fire right actors from across the country were heading there. Some from cork, some from Mayo, all every everywhere, and it was amplified across Tiktok across Youtube, across Facebook and cross X. And if you go and talk to these these platforms And they say, all that breaks are, you know, are are and our our our community rules and stuff like that. But none of that content has ever
taken down. It's constantly divided and putting in our communities at risk, and I put a direct spotlight on the violence that was happening there. So I suppose to... And then the other factor that I would really kinda like to talk about... Is the patterns of behaved we've have seen since the the riots of November 20 23.
We see there's was a lack of policing on Of the police are gonna solve the fire, this is a there's a political response to all of the qualities that you and John Hay, but when does criminal activity and dangerous and arson attacks There is a role to be play here. And we can see that there's, like the swift mobilization of the fire happened during rides happened in ko. There was arson attacks. There was a tax on police cars. There was tax on communities. There was a attacks
on on buildings. It's the same. Right? And now... And so that could all have been predicted in a place in operation. We knew that that camp had been there since before April. And we knew what was gonna happen, so plans could have been in place. And finally, I'd like to talk about, like, there's a coal lesson of different forces of the fire rate underground at the moment that we can see emergence
since the local and European elections. So we can see that there's last Friday even there's an announcement of 3 political parties, the national party ireland first, and the hours people have come together in a coalition around the next general elections. And then we can see the irish free and party has now has stayed out with apple They're taken on 2 independent candidates, worn in the Northeast dinner city and deodorant in fingers. And saying that they won't run
against them. So we can see there's coalition and their strength is beginning to to gather. And I think Before we start respond, I think there is a narrative response, but we have to understand what's in front of our faces right now. So there is a there's a role of what the fair right or june. There's also the role of what the state and what the state are not tuned and there's the role that social media is playing an amplify, and normalize an all as Well.
Yeah. And it was a lot there and even, and I think to, you know what, take on, and it it is clear, very clear in terms of dash, you know, the stage you're right in terms of dash you know, uneven response, like an absence of Ga, and then suddenly, it's the riot police. Like this, you know, there has to be again, what we always talk about something, you know, around community, policing and community, you know, engagement. And and that seems to be
you know, very much there that... There was an absence, and I know city council has put forward. You know, emotion, I think at the last council around looking for you know, engagement with the community around this it wasn't acted on. And, Daniel, I... I'd bring you in there counselor, Daniel Ellis, social democrats in the the North in your city, in terms of your own experience with east wall and you've been, you know, working there and campaigning for many years and to you
know, the... We obviously saw, you know, different aspects of this in in in East wall as well, and obviously, not to the same level of the the riot put, you know, the the... You, so we know some of the the the actors from East wall went up to C as well. We saw that and again, you know what Knee was saying that it wasn't just all locals so called. And just your own, I suppose response to it, You know, Yeah. So it it's...
As Need put data. It's it's how we talk about these communities and and John put it well. But there's a lot of genuine hard walking people in in Kill lock and Da Areas and Sun the stay, and I also saw parties from the look at these disadvantaged areas and energy community started it. It's our problem. It would happen in in those places. It's absolutely not. It's being stoked up boy the feel from in and around communities not always from these communities.
And like, does a lot of community groups you clubs, as John mentioned Dance groups that's still amazing stuff in these new. It don't really feel for them because I know, with ourselves, like, we fought indirectly, and now it's almost with with the documentary going out, and it's looking directly. You know that will f the far. But Again,
I think we stoke it... If... It's been s by, but we're almost given someone on compliments when we call them fire because there's a small few That's playing off a fur playbook. But again, those few are prey on the vulnerability of the community. And again, we know like, the full football clubs out there for playing pages pitches, you know, and like 4 clubs, we avoid the mail as part of my we work with balls.
The austria trying erode and the liverpool coaches couldn't complement the area enough, the coaches enough, the kids enough, and down to the coin the adjacency, the spartan ability. You know? So it's a it's a field that's s is open, and as as the guy said, what was the 200 people, but we'd have to be careful how we speak about these communities because we will only make it worse I feel if we're talking down to them. You know? This has to be a part approach.
Yeah. Absolutely. And and I think in terms of maybe some of the the work that you've done. Again, you know, showing the positive possibilities. Maybe you could talk a little bit about that. Yeah. So it it's I hear John earlier on in in an end of interview about commute... Bet the better communication of, of, I suppose, go on anybody mailed into the area whether it's someone from the order and I see email look if it's a global a table ar someone come
from different countries. If the clubs for instance are communicate. If it's communicated the clubs, You know, what we done was, I wasn't communicate to us, what you went in behind our badge as a club. All we could do was offered a offered to go as a game of football. I the the women, come on board and and run them through coaching and badges, get the kids involved. So sport is a great way of bringing people together. And we've done it well.
But more often than not, the sports clubs in communities are the. There deeply be rooted in the community So... Yeah. Again, we we we quite went in behind our badge, and then all of a sudden, we've seen the change that I had and the positive change I had. And it's sad to say, like, we're lucky we're blessed with it really strong, progressive care committee at the moment. But there's a lot of our ex committee members that are at the forefront of our protest
now. You know, and the East wall says no Melbourne, which delivery be back at our globe ever again. But, yeah. Love to see a noise strong response from the community groups that's actually dealing the amazing walk. Every day, Like sport is the ultimate ut
diversion program. It's the ultimate from inclusive program, integration program, and naturally brings people together as opposed to, I suppose having your heart towards like your harsh events like integration day where, again, we have to be careful how we talk a about until can be these Yeah. Absolutely. And I think, you know, it's it's interesting The sport is really interesting when Had my daughter in and it was Sheriff Street playground yesterday.
And, you know, just watching, you know, people from different communities, local community, young lads, all playing a match together in the pitch and you're going you know, this is this is not, you know, what has being represented in the riots
like an... And this does I think there's a real joining between the reality of people's lives, particularly young people and how they're mixing with people from different communities, different backgrounds, different colors and then what we're seeing this agitation that is, you know, you know, fueling a haze and almost, you know... So I think that the To me, the hope is that, you know, there's a new reality, which is, you know, we are multi multicultural. We are diverse. We
are... And people see that, and they live in their everyday life, And so and on the other hand, then we have this, you know, this extreme agitation going on right now that's It is blinding people from what is actually causing their problems and their issues, but it's such an easy 1 because praying into people's fears and isolation. In in terms of John the counsel at what the account can do. What what would be your sense of, you know, what kind the council do? What the left coming together?
You know, what sort of responses are needed? Now, you know Daniel has mentioned you know, community group, sports groups, you know, N mentioned trade unions. You know, we look back to Ireland for all the big huge
demonstration. We had. Do we And, obviously, we be very, very careful because, you know, around mobilization and around, you know, we want to dee escalate things and we, you know, you don't want us as the guys have said to give people In some ways more fuel and respect and attention than they absolutely deserve, But on the other hand, do we need some sort of response? Or or what do you think is does the response need to be? Or is it a... I I'm not sure. What... What's your sense
for that? Yeah. Look, I I don't think this is an easy 1II think in terms of what we say and what we do, I think what we do is is more important right now in terms of Like, Daniel mentions the cl that he had. He had V, care more, Columbus, down in the Oscar trainer, Like, I don't
think we can underestimate. Like... So when the fire comes across with their binary, black and white arguments, they're getting in house and you're not why are they getting this and they're missed this disinformation around videos showing people from Ukraine, driving mercedes? And all the rest of all that's this information that goes on online. They they know that they're they're exploiting a situation where it's the lack of investment in our communities.
And it's very real. Like, so for instance that, the old weather pitch of those 4 groups are include Del as well. Like, it's 1000000 euro old of investment for 4 groups with... Who have hundreds of volunteers who provide a sporting healthy social opportunity for kids week in week out month after a month. Like, if we can't have that kind of investment in our areas, what does it say to be about to state is that they really just don't care. So does a
real... But I think we to be very careful on this worry because, I, I don't think the left has been good over the last period of time in in being rooted in communities. Right? It's not. You can't lies pap propose or or grab up knockout to deal with some of these issues. So they're gonna take their they're painful. They literally painfully slow. That motion I put down is 3 years old awards now, and it's gonna be next year, depending on funding, by the way.
Before it's delivered. And depending on 1 day funding is the stick that are, you know, their they're keeping above our heads and I I do wonder About. And I think even yesterday at our air committee meeting where people are looking for upgrades of the surface of playgrounds in working class areas. That we can't even get them res resurfaced. You know, And The other, like it's. Yeah. Like, I think we we need to
talk more and more about that. Yeah. People, like I questioned whether I'd run again in the local elections because local government self dysfunction, Has very little power. But I think if you are, if you care about the city. If you care about your community, you have to be active in it. And, you know, even when you're the 1 proposing different initiatives and it takes years to come. There is the potential for people who go where you're all a bunch of useless this,
whatever. But I'll take that. You know, we'll all take that. That's fine. And then you try to have the conversation well is Actually not also F and Fin at National Level he'll hold por on our capital butcher. Things like this. So I think it's about been rooted in. I don't think there's an easy response to this. People have been getting a tortured of me today. And nice saying, look, can we do something do we need a a march? And I tell you right now, with the people that are involved
in that violence yesterday. A lot of fear in the area because some of them are people that should be feared. They're dangerous people. So there's a lot of keeping the head down right now. And a lot of discussions that I'm having, where people show the morning and some people are saying where you, Like, you you should be standing with the people. I'm like, I don't agree with it, but like, let's have the discussion. Let's have the engagement with the department. Let's have a out.
Let's have the information out. Let's talk about international air protection people. Let's talk about, the needs to accommodate them. And let's talk about, yeah, whether it should be cool luck or, you know, bald bridge or whatever, certain and holt as carbon airborne their. They're not being... But these are fragments. I don't like those arguments because that... That treats people as a problem. And I don't think the air problem.
There are existing problems in communities. And the only way I think we'll resolve them is if we have proper discussions, proper engagement, but the department And let's have a out. Let's have a real discussion about where power resides where decisions and are made and in whose interest because the only way we'll get anything for our communities. And, you know, proper support for people who are coming here seeking in international protection is if we notice, I know that's kind of AAAT
thing to say, but it is. It's a hard argument to make at the moment. People out and, a lot of people don't listen to us. They say it's pie in the sky Asher John, Jesus Come command. You know you come command. Then so I I think the wrong assumption maybe has been very divisive Aha. Yeah. And it's hard. Oh, I don't think I fully realized the impact that it has. It's created a big gulf, and it's played a big part human the other. People that we don't yet know, people
who hopefully would come to our community. So look, I I think... Yeah. Look, I think it's about being consistent. It's open on the ground and I'm gonna be back around in about half an hour's time, just chatting to people in and around the area. And it's about making the the hard arguments about where the problems in our communities in our society where where they come from, where they emerge from, and named people seeking international protection. Absolutely. I I, you know, trying to take
quite what, you know, can... There's... Because there's a lot of people, you know, outside the area around Dublin, you know, around the country who really want to say something and and want to express solidarity and and trying to think about that and, you know, highlighting that, you know, absolutely, these people, you know, seeking refuge and, you know, our our, you know, just want
to contribute. They want to, you know, I chat to the guys and and run with them from, you know, East Wall in in their in the center there and, you know, we've my friends would a number of them, and should they just they're... They are working. You know, they're working in construction. They're working in, you know, hotels, and they just want to contribute contribution. And these are the, you know, the so called single un vetted males. And I wonder about you know, the social media thing and maybe
need just to bring you in there. Like, it comes back to you, like, there is organizations with resources like trade unions, for example, even civil society bigger civil society groups. I wonder because I feel we need a social media response that there's something that, like creating the videos. I know there were some good ones they saw where, you know, they showed, you know, all the different groups and it's
not... You know, you have to be careful as well about you know, migrants and and what they are doing and how they're contributing society, of course it's not just about what they contribute their human beings, you know? But things are is positive videos that we could, you know, try and promotion and put around there some way to counter because as John said, it is social media and we need to try and find some way of we're not gonna stop the
social media guys straight away. So in some ways, we need to try and I don't know find counter messages that could be put across. What do you think? Yeah. It's suppose goes back to the podcast that me and Emily we're on with you a few months ago, Rory as well you know And the messaging and the research, we we have I suppose I wanna go back a couple of spec steps and talk about what Dumb trust.
So we have fine instead. Like, the fire right or the haitian the extreme and the disinformation that wins on social media. It wins. And it's very hard as someone else that I saying, yes saying someone said, you can't win against a box. Or you can't win against that. So of those trusted relationships on the grounds that John and Daniel have, and it's at decades of work. That
goes into it. And it's all the volunteers are in the football groups, or I was talking to a lot of youth groups up around the area yesterday who weren't sure what to do and how do we respond and and and I'm panicked by the Bai dash. You know what I mean So from my perspective, it's it's about trust where trusted leaders in the community. And what's the message that trusted leaders can get up. And then it's going back to, like, it's done opened up. That c is a very,
very great place. It's a diverse place. It's a place of strong people have had to be strong. Whose place of resilient people who have had to be resilient. It's like in the Northeast Tennessee city you where I live have not to far from Dani diana. And we see the resilience stuff there in the Northeast Dinner city. You know what I mean I see a day in day out, Similar communities in some ways of how they're
treated by the state. So it's about those trusted leaders on the ground, and it's about connecting those trusted leaders and having them to spread the message because when I I've walked around John I've walked around with Daniel and Boulder harry and they're chat away to people, and they're trusted, and they'll get the message and they can talk and it's a consistent approach. It's the consistent approach, but it's also
having the fire there to distract us. They're jumping up and down and they're go look at me, look at me. I've got these simple there's while I born the building and. I... I'm just... I'm in a bit she's here, but that's what they're doing. Right? Yeah. What's the counter waste to that, Rory right now? I understand a need... Sometimes there's knee jerk, we have to do something. Okay. So you've got a a response, but there needs to be a
race class gender inclusive response. A along the time people are feeling left out and they're angry, and they're going on these kind of fire right because they're not being seen right now. So if we want people to be seen, we include everybody. We have that big way in our community. Raise clash gender inclusive narrative that we see in our communities, And what does that mean? That everybody's working together in the
green. He's not an element of that, and Daniel's kinda on on on on Or worn in the show with the football coming together where, like, new members of the community. And All members with the community were in having the crack on a Sunday playing for football. You know what I mean, and slag each other. That's what it was about. You know?
Or as, like, John's been fighting for that football pitch for those 4 clubs up in cool and it's taken years of fight, And that's the trough there and the consistency there. To trust and build towards that... This is not easy. This is a grassroots approach like what Daniel said, and it's gonna take a long work. I think down here. The haters are here. We're gonna have to learn how to organize. We're gonna have to
learn how to adapt. And it's about, I think community leaders understand how to respond. Build trust. I think to has to be a kind of a unity of the left, but there definitely has to be candidates that. Are gonna run in the community. Our part... Like, our, you know, are there to work for the community, are known in the community. And build trust in the community. I think
paper candidates are just trying oppose. So I think that's actually going to backfire and we'll turn people towards who they see maybe trusted in working on the ground Be very careful in our approach to that too. You know? So I think there's yet. And I also think as as like myself and emily said, if people can go out and be constructive in our communities, there's also way persuade to
be constructive. So, you know, maybe there's a way of, like, okay, our pavement are are are playgrounds are not being kinda res resurfaced? Or where's the protest outside don't sit you counsel to get that done. You know what I? So where can we get people out there say where demand in is for our children and for our local community. And we're... Like, they're not doing that. That's what the the extremist are not doing that. That's... I think there's a positive. But that's
not easy. That takes trust and it takes work. But also does an element of, like, a lot of this work has been done by volunteers. It's across across the country right now, responding to the fire is a real... It's a lot of people are doing as as volunteers, and that's not sustainable either. So I'm not... So we do need a proper political response to this. Are response to inequality, but also we need,
kind of social media. There's a big role in, you know, in in regular social media regulation, and we've been calling for the recommend system to be turned off, which means that's at the right to amplification. So social media will amplify negative posts so we can see that on x, Tiktok, Twitter, Youtube. And there is a way of turning that off. Now, commission them on initially, were doing said they would do that, and then they they they carved at the
last minute. So that should be a clear demand from all progressive and parties of the left. That social media regulation is part of keeping our community safe, You know? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks me for that. And. You know, I think the the constructive focus is so important. And it's something when we think about, and we, you know, we look around at the housing crisis and homelessness ongoing you know, that they're still...
You know, and and other issues that, you know, we need to find a constructive focus and and a focus on, you know, the the der election, the vacancy that can actually be turned into homes as opposed to being burned down. Daniel, last word to yourself, just for you, what what do you think it either ways forward now and and the ways people can get involved and, you know, can,
what what can we do? Well, it it's not it's not investment in the the Deep route community the organizations the full football clubs to sports clubs. There's John who met he mentioned he erased motion 3 years ago. For a 1 football pitch between 4 clubs. You know, days kid, like, john John and tell in better data detail how many members at these for clothes, Like you're look on upwards of towels and kids, towels and people.
That's without the volunteers and people that use this as an outlet are a sense of belonging, like, you know, that that's not it on the protest but they're infinite water bottles for kids on on the weekends. You know, we need more investment in these groups. These are the community hopes. These are the safety nets that save and people of all
ages ages, you know, it's... It's crazy to me out that the state have not it had they neglected these and and disrespect these clubs because the walk they've been the own for generations, like when when when these areas were forced built, if clubs they kill, setting up. David a 4 spread of, like, extra exercise people are getting out and days of states, I'm sure back in in in in the day is it gets it's crazy to me. It really is and hate now that an area, another area in Dublin when you Google.
Is gonna come up says now. So if Killed says now, and like, if cl kill more, Ga going back john V cl that have been the all maze and work as well as a box and clubs and the dance groups that been the all maze and walk. And when you Google K lock, it's gonna say ko says now, and they're gonna get the press. They give 2. You've have 2 Google searches from East. East
says no, and then we're trailing down. You know, it it goes East wall then leads on to Roy and all the names we've mentioned there and the the farley aj undertake. You know, we're trailing way down in the walk that we're doing. You know, we 14 different national for a hundred and 24 members.
You know, what we're playing on A7A aside for pop. With no 11 aside for pop. Could you imagine it forward are welcome we could deal to our mule for new members Would you imagine the meat in place we could have for the new 1 the old coming together. We haven't got it. They haven't got it in Ko, It's that under investment. It's that neglect. That only think really needs to order around very fast so over in serious trouble.
Absolutely. Know. You're absolutely right, Daniel and bringing people together to get that and you think like, it's just so frustrating because the money is there, you know, we've got billions and billions in surplus, and they're, you know, putting it away in the the rainy day funds and and the investment funds that are rather than actually investing right now in in, you know, infrastructure like that. Look Not. Right. Yeah. Look at the look it's went into the n see. Since
20 16 17 because of the field. 46000000. What has that earliest saying? What has that saying? And what our 46000000? A redevelopment of the deutsche park, which is fabulous don't get me wrong. Yeah. But nothing else, give box and cloves, you dance groups that's going out and trying to get private yet to get away to a dance war cup, but walk with 60 70 kids from Dublin warm ground 0. Yeah. You know, a lot of there... It's it's it's crazy. It's crazy. So. The moon
is there already are bang on. Yeah. No it is. And it's so important. And then it comes back to any qualities, you know, well 3 areas There's no question been able to afford to go away to whatever it is, you know, and that's that gap, you know, that that's there. But, listen, I'm going to, finish guys. Thanks so much Daniel En, anita Mcdonald and John Lyon, cancer John Lyon,
counselor, Daniel Ellis. Thanks so much for coming on today in very, very short notice, and listen best luck with all the work that everyone is doing in the coming days and weeks and and build in hope and keep and to nurture that nurture community and hope. Thanks so much, guys. And thank you, listeners for sticking with us, please If you can share the podcast around, podcast independent media, produced by Tony Groves, Echo chambers, To shack, please if you can, support us,
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