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issues in this Republic of inequality. They are the podcast of solutions and the podcast of hope and I'm your host, Rory Her and delighted to be joined on the podcast today by Rosie Lynch of workouts union, who has been involved for many many years with Nimble spaces and, work and Cali in relation to developing community led affordable housing. And Rosy, we... I actually spoke at a conference that you organized almost 10 years ago, down in Ka on housing. Yeah. Well, that's kind of crazy. I just
think that's that's been so long ago. And I think when we all gathered for that conference, it was called new ways of living together, so we're very much looking at kind of I think we felt that there would be a paradigm shift in how housing was delivered in Ireland. There was a phenomenal coming together of many do and thinkers and and kind of plain makers in the area of housing Ireland and also internationally.
And, yeah. I'm I'm... Though I'm still kind of reeling and the fact that the the the kind of potential to kind of shift some of, kind of the housing narratives where housing happens that are just hasn't happened. And I think 20 24 has been quite a sobering near for me in terms of just realizing that, you know, what has that is something quite different obviously, you know, what setting in? You would have a much leisure handle on than than I do. I suppose I just kind of experience it at.
Are kind of local level and working with other potential house groups across the country. Yeah. And that's what we're gonna talk about. The debt of community led housing and why our government decided to kill off community led affordable housing and why our government decided that it didn't want affordable housing, genuinely affordable housing. So that's what we're gonna talk
about. And in some ways, because I met you yesterday at a conference on, would you believe my 5 year old daughter has just climbed true you you saw that Rosie. Climbed over my lap through the podcast equipment and managed to ent herself in the microphone. Aaron say hello to everybody. Hi. You're gonna... I'm gonna have to un ent your lovely here. Now it's un entangled. Great. We could continue. And the... Yeah, what we... We... It was at the conference yesterday, the well being conference.
It was actually great. They brought us together to discuss in the context of, you know, d growth and you know, alternative growth, paradigm and the questioning the whole idea of growth from well being and ecological perspectives. And housing, it was great to put housing in central and and to put the community, housing in central. But in thinking about it, and and what I say yesterday and and what community housing and looking back over the 10 years because that was 1 of the questions
that people ask. Like, why are we... How did we get here? And, of course, 1 of the reasons is that at that point when myself, yourself and others were going okay here. We should learn from the Celtic Tiger, the crash, the mortgage arr, the way housing was financial, turned into an asset, and let's do it differently. Let's deliver housing as home. And based on human need and and people's need for housing and a human rights. But
no. They did the complete opposite. They decided that they would turn to international investment to financial and global wealth funds, investor funds to by all that property off Nam, the debts of Nam, m and it then turned to them in kind of from 20 14 onwards to deliver this new supply of rental housing that would be where the new generation rent and younger generations would live in. And, of course, we see from a threshold report today, that...
Okay. Sure. And then, that, they nobody wants to live in the private rental sector because it's una affordable and insecure, but the way in which they turned. I completely lost an opportunity to create an affordable housing system because housing was actually is it nominally affordable back then. I mean, yeah. We I mean, that kind of even with our project here in calendar just a shift in house, you know, building cost. Yeah. Room exponentially over a of you know, 8 years
was kind of eye watering. So, as you said, I can kind 15, the idea of creating affordable housing was a reality. And then O came along with their model. Yeah. Well, their first project Embodied non affordable and kind of there was something there. I think there was real hope that we could kind of, you know, create, you know, meat people's needs in place that they're living and create, you know, kind of
affordable information at housing things. So I just want to say before we move on east, you know, kind of said housing is expedited ordered. I would maybe say it's just going through a we refocus period. I hope surfing me with the kind of general election heels, and, you know, hopefully, with kind of policy shifts that might call a a lot of work that the likes the self architecture the way, their whole fantastic kind of road map for that housing could be back
on the table. So I think her it's kinda just in a quite in a as a space of kind of a reflection at the moment, I suppose I'm will talk you through some of of the dirt we've be on. But I don't think it's dead, but I think at the moment, it's not... It certainly isn't a priority for the government. Well, I'm really glad you corrected me and put me in my place on that 1, Rosie. Absolutely you're dead right. It is far far from dead, and I hope it's certainly
It... There's no doubt that this... That it has got a blow though in terms of what was expected and what was Thought would happen. And even commitments from the recent current minister for housing there was expectations and hopes that he would, at some level support community led affordable housing. But what has happened in the last year so is a very clear shift away from that. And we we'll talk about that. But you're absolutely right. It is it is not dead
and and the... As you said, the groups like self organized architects, common ground and wick yourselves, and Oc, and others are around the country, clock Jordan, there is a network there of people who have been working on the idea of community led housing m for many years, and and are still building that network and and regardless of whether government is willing to support them or not are still trying to find ways, and you're absolutely right, that there is a real opportunity in this
coming general election, whether it's in October or March that there is actually to put community led housing and at the center of housing policy. So maybe we could start and it was actually a question that someone asked, of course... You know, in our many of our listeners we are probably familiar with community led housing, but some might be let's explain what is community led housing? Yep. Yeah. I suppose, I mean, and it's actually...
We've even shift the language when we had a conference in in 20 15, uses this word c housing, which is very much a European word, but, subsequently went Elmer omar if you brought in the c living. Concept. We have to quickly shift. So, you know, that's in the concept of sharing resources and downsizing pain the market to come. So we had to sort of shift language in Ireland. But the mutual led housing essentially is where a community of place or interest, comes together to really look at their own
house needs and pools resources. So it's very much. Kind of based on this concept of kin civic partnership Where a lots and lots of you guys have to come together. It's not just a kind of you know, A b model where a kind of social developer or, a charity built houses for people in need.
But rather it where the diverse people come together and they could be people who might, you know on the social housing this, people who are, you know, can afford to, you know, invest in their own home something who might be looking to rent that you can get this kind of diversification all of housing need into kind of 1 project in in a certain place. So you kinda outcomes of community head housing can be quite depressed. It could be the renovation of a some kind of der housing in a street
and and... We have a wonderful model in Dom F in Scotland. The stove network, we're kind of leaders of regeneration of, street and dump freeze now that's called the mid steep quarter and that town is building kind of housing in a their right, but very much through a community led approach. So we have models and we give bottles closest as Scotland, which I think are really
helpful. You know, we don't have to look the biomarker denmark and der making sometimes that a be bit scary from an Irish perspective. But then, I suppose call housing, which is something, you know, maybe a little bit more specific is where people choose to live and in their own homes, maybe with a kind of a closer proximity. So they might they might have some shared spaces like laundry or, kind of, you know, bicycle
areas. So that you're kind of downsizing some of your ice spaces in your house that you can actually share with your neighbors. Yeah. And very much housing at a neighborhood level. So you're bringing your kind of individual housing needs into a neighborhood context. And I said was that's what we've been really focused and interested here in Talent and and I suppose 1 of the reasons that it it can be some success, but on has been this, the model in other other countries is that it sees somebody
housing the... Their home and their housing needs through very fourth sort of through a full life cycle.
So seeing that the hope can sometimes be lonely place, depends where you are in your life, especially if you're maybe a single parent even a parent at home their their are partners are working that can be a lonely space, and and then at elder once people become older and also people have, any kind of court needs, disability, mental health, needs that home isn't always this cozy obvious space and actually having, seeing home with it more a neighborhood size or a neighborhood exam kind of lens
can be really interesting in that I saw is what I'm particularly interested in. Yeah. And it's... You, you know, presented a really good, you know, overview and and I think that for listeners as well, kind of there's something in Ireland, which people are familiar with which is kind of the cooperative and cooperative housing
as well. And, you know, we did have a lot of housing delivered through kind community initiatives, and of course there's the the ancient or, you know, Irish approach of the metal where people came together to, you know, to support each other in terms of collecting the harvest and but also in terms of, you know, different points of your people needing help, put this idea coming together in a community to support each other to do something and that not everything is just left down to
the individual within the new liberal market dream and that everybody just buys everything as an individual and and they could sell it. But in particular around housing, We developed a lot of housing cooperative and true communities communities in the 19 sixties and 19 seventies. And even during their Celtic tiger, actually, there was a very good example of, affordable housing model developed and Ring end.
And what was very interesting about that. Course, that was that the height of the Celtic Tiger when housing was completely una affordable, and the community came together and raised funding Got land and built affordable housing but unfortunately, now that housing is being sold privately, and then, you know, that's a a question that comes up around this, but it doesn't have to be like that.
But I think what's important around this and and Fo is significant in a number of areas is that the idea is essentially that you're providing kind of affordable housing that's... So it's not for profit. It's not about a market led housing model. And and but that it's about meeting different needs. So whether that's, you know, people with additional needs disability or it's as you say life stage or it's this idea that that, you know, the market doesn't provide
housing for people based on need. It provides housing on you know, what is gonna make profit. And so what it wants to sell the semi and, you know, at half a million or 700000 is what the new developers builders are you even more, or it's, you know, the investor fund departments, you know, that would really, really una affordable rents, and this is what the market now will offer.
And it's always been the same. Do what I mean, when a market dominated system, we've been living under it really since the 19, you know, 19 eighties when we really shift to a a market led model of housing. But the interesting thing for me is how there is something different in the in the community led piece, which is that it is aimed at people that might have some resources as well. And that
the idea that people might... Who might not qualify for social housing, for example, and they've have a higher income than that. And it's interesting when we contrast this community affordable housing to the type of affordable housing that's been developed, like, for example, cost rental, which is genuinely, you know, some of it now is not actually affordable. And the... 1 second, Sterling. 1 second. And the...
You know, this what you're talking about is bringing people together to be able to genuinely provide community, you know, affordable housing. And so it... The question is, you know, in terms of this model, it would seem, and and the government did say that they were going to support it. But what happened in Ka? Yeah. Well, we've have... I mean, just that I just going to loop back to what you were kind of talking about sort
of our history of cooperative in Ireland. Not something that, you know, I think the likes of So. You're kind of leading the kind of face or putting housing are really trying to focus on is that the idea of cooperative are is actually very irish. We have quite good models of cooperative, yeah. We we've such good models of c ops and we're gonna be kind of the whole agricultural ops came from a kind of an Eye... Had it have... Had an irish you know,
beginning, we have credit unions, the Ga. There's so many things that kind of, are corporate in. Workhorse unions kind of day to day work. We work to be kind of community c design and community engagement with lots of different kind of organizations and places across Ireland, and there is fantastic coming together at the moment in Ireland to kind of meet some of our, kind of make better republic spaces.
You know, of course huge investment into libraries, fantastic libraries popping up all over the country. And I, you know, from out something that I suppose is curious or maybe it's not curious when you see the the whole focus of natural maturation of housing and ireland, but that kind of I suppose the trust that communities can work together in the kind of common space to create housing just doesn't... You know, I'm not seeing a political will.
You've done just in terms of, you know, talking about the Talent project, and Nimble mason here we've, note. 20 15 when you were speaking at the conference, we were at the beginning of our journey. We were going through a process of C design, working with have a disability and others who are interested in with in kind of neighborhoods, scale in talent, looking at kind of latency important and not the very interesting thing. We, you know, we got planning for our project in 20
17. We worked with very interesting Architects architecture. We did a lot of participatory rep planning we were very supportive by any county to cancel. We got, you know, they they granted planning on 2 quite difficult heritage sites. So there was a lot... We felt that there was kind of real interest, and even more nationally people were sort of focusing that there was this potential kind of housing that was, you know, looking at both kind of housing
crisis but also share crisis. And that both those things have just becoming more and more big in Yeah. 15. And then we were really hit by the cost of the potential pilots so that that they be moved with the kind of exponential growth in building, the houses were becoming way on a affordable. You know, it like just went out of out of it, realms of possibility.
So we kind of shell the projects in 20 19, 1 thing that has been really I suppose it has held the project together is that she went on a no cool and have stopped as white and I think he could talk to any. Community led magazine group in Ireland. Yeah. Have seen the 1 stable thing because he has offered, I suppose his expertise and oc expertise, they r h they can kind of fill the kind of social developer side of the projects. And that has been a huge kind of
support, but you know, we... The costs became on una affordable to build. So that was, kind of a major stumbling block. But then also, I think we became very conscious of, you know, where we... You know, there were air is maybe blind spot we needed to look at a bit more and and you just watch up the ming and affordable housing that now is going out on on the mark open market and be sold off for, you know, far far more than the kind of cooperative
prices that would have first been there. So we're looking at how to... I suppose how to make sure that doesn't happen. Yeah. And we sort of slowed down the project now and we're really looking at new Land trust wall. And we had set up a community Land trust in Talent. That is now taking ownership of the 2 sites, we're the support of O and, and that is again, we're into this new space, like community like land trust aren't really a thing and an Irish law. We're all.
Kind of slightly got our mice I feel like her he again in another space where replying to couldn't approach, the correct model, and then I suppose we're going to look at the housing again. With... You know, we have shell of the project.
Both of our planning and lapse. And now I still we're we're a slightly back at the beginning, but actually in the long run, it might be not the worst thing because you get this kind of, affordability to perpetuity, which kind of a community land trust and ensure, community mutual Land trust are you know, mainstream in the Uk. So there... Again, we have models or close fines from un and England
that we can we can look at. But just 1 thing that's very positive is that, Court community lang trust, there were a new initiative, and they're working with court... It's a partnership between local initiatives, And Pork, did he cancel their part of Big Eu project at the moment. To look at, usually land trust as model to develop affordable housing in the city.
So that kind of I think maybe where all refocus a little bit, and it's actually looking at the land and looking at how to ensure that there's a kind of a legal framework to to make sure that any affordable housing is affordable and led into perpetuity. So I don't know that much of a segue. No. No. No. Because I think it's completely, you know, in terms of trying to figure out practically how, you know, what how we
can move this forward. I think that you know, clearly, as you say that, you know, he will cool, he you Brennan.
Who's been on this podcast, you know a great friend of the podcast and and you know, we've had him on many times and have, know, worked at him and he, you know, has outlined and has been in the media quite recently, talking about the real challenge that they face, that the model faces is now both in terms of the costs of delivery that are escalated so high, but also then the issue of the lack of finance and the lack of finance to start projects, and he was very critical of the fact that
the government has given Bar, the big an investor, Irish investor fund well. It's it's a, whatever. It's a it's a real estate company based in Ireland, but probably, we don't know exactly where the funding is coming from, but it is a real estate fund here that's developing the O Gardens development, that's the government made the deal there with Dom City Council made the deal with. It's a private real estate company that they're paying them part by part in the project, which enables
them to continue to finance it. But he said they wouldn't do that for a cool, and that's, you know, in part why I was saying you know, that the debt of affordable community led affordable housing. And there's definitely appears to me anyway, an attempt to kill it off or certainly, there's no real will. No real political will to try and get behind it and support in, facing these challenges around finance, like, There's no lack of finance available right now. And for development,
we have an 8000000000 surplus. We're setting up various new funds Why won't the government fund community led affordable housing? Yeah. It's it's it's it's kind of it's it is remarkable and and... And quite challenging to be honest. I think from my perspective, and I suppose we're not, know, Cool on our boarding houses. They're much more in the game of that know, that whole kind of the financing space.
Yeah. Our perspective where I see there's a real lack of kind of imagination, you is that you are bringing, maybe what the government wants or or what kind of housing policy... At the moment wants to keep kind of distinct. They have some... They have their categories because rental with, you know, planning, you know, the developer lead, the social housing and the right beef, are leading, and we're talking about sort of pre housing rings a lot of just needs together.
And I think that that complexity is something that maybe has have kind of led to just this... This is too this is too complex. Also too niche. I think it was said yesterday at the conference or this is the very niche idea. I don't think community head housing as niche. I think it's it's, you know, across ireland and we have, you know, der tang centers. We I think there would be a real interest in a creation led approach to, kind
villages and talents meeting their closing. So I don't I don't think it's a niche idea. But I think that, you know, seeing how kind of people can bring their own private home needs into kind of a public conversation. I think that's the tricky thing. So I think there might be a fear that you're... That people's own private interest are kind of maybe getting public funding. And if that's very ironic when all that the the big developers are getting wanted so happy you know it. It doesn't...
It it doesn't make sense. I think, you, in the Uk, you have kind of a 1 stop shop for community that housing. Wanted Yeah. And you have... You know, we need housing to have its own kind of policy. We need community land trust to have it their own policy, like that is a, you know, kind of the government has to, you know, really could've have worked towards that I suppose I would have felt that with the greens in the
would have happened. But I think their focus has been very much on link nature and climate action policy and getting those across the line. I think housing has been in the left at kind of domain and, you know, it hasn't unfortunately commuter led house and hasn't... Hasn't been given the the space and resources because that's what it is.
It needs a few people to put together those kind of, policies and frameworks and out, land and ownership and affordability into perpetuity and all those things that I think are they are complex, but they're not actually different, you know, because we... They're. Absolutely not. They're not. And and the... You know, what it comes to mind is, you know, the question is why? Why? Why is it, you know, is you say it's not complex. You could work this out through legislation through
and, you know, financing streams. Like, there's no reason why you can't have cost rental housing, you know, local authority led affordable housing and community affordable housing. Like, it's not... They don't have to be somehow seen as, you know, oh, week... We're... Because it because I think that's what happened as well, that, the... Once the new affordable housing initiative, the affordable purchase scheme was developed true local authorities.
That then that signaled the end of the oc model, and thus there was no more funding going to be given to, a and to deliver affordable housing the way
it had been doing it. And and I think maybe looking at that now that that was a, you know, we should have probably reacted stronger to that in and looking at that now because it seems that when you look at it, what happened is once they brought that initiative in, that essentially, they were killing it off in terms of providing a funding stream, and similar with the cost rental. And, of course, the the the big question is is it because?
This community led affordable housing model, an a model was the providing genuinely affordable housing, and and was challenging the way in which the affordable housing deliver true cost rental through the land development agency, m or true local authorities is essentially just buying it off developers and investor funds.
At market price with market profit. And if you have this other model there that actually can do it for a hundred and 50000 cheaper Well, then you have a bit of people and say, why are you not doing the community 1? Why are you doing this market led affordable housing. And and I think that could be part of it as well. I think so. And
I think... Yeah. I I mean, you know, it's all very anecdotal what uno know, I can definitely feel like, across the country that there's been some, you know, very good projects that have been trying to get over the line. I mean, you know, we were told in Talent in 20 19 that that kind of social housing cost for an space were too high and it was, you know, we need to go back to the the drawing board mean But now, and I thought... I took that at
the radio. I said, okay, the department saying, you know, it's too expensive and we also would have had to, you know, the affordable housing would have also, you know, been under those kind of saying financial constraints. So we kind of took it at Faith Value. But now as said that the government is stepping into, subsidized private developers at quite high rates. So yes. There's there's there was a dis... I feel there are have been some decisions made.
I don't know quite where in hail but are that have jeff that we put cold water on, at housing. I suppose them. We've had really could of a lot of kind of conversations also with peers down and ar more in county Water that have been putting huge amount of work to do affordable housing for people from the village. So so the art more would be, like, a lot of east hands in Ireland where people people who go to school there, grow... Are just can't
fortunate live there. Yeah. And just over the last year, their project got planning, what now does have taken over their local authority so much. You know, it's it's almost... I feel like the look cross to be an a journalist approach to commercial housing, and they like, you know, you're not gonna manage it. You know, you're... You don't have the kind of expertise, and we're we're the experts are social and affordable housing, and we're gonna take it on.
So that's... You know, that was quite a surprise because, you know, that got through that lots to planning and got through where... Got to the state had through a mutual led approach and not in local authority. And I think that's what's really important is the Civic partnership, element of community housing. Yeah. All going to be in partnership local authority. It's not some kind of, you know, way out there la know, and it it has that happen, very much with in partnership with a easing
authority in. Yeah. And meeting kind of, you know, policy requirements and all those things. But that was a bit of a shock. If anyone's interested, it's that could had more project. Being written about, in the paper, And so, yeah. That's quite a... That was that was quite a year kind of message that. You know, affordable housing was very auction gonna be, led by local authority. I still was in pal because we share or make very much put the project on kind of
hold of 20 19. It's hard to know how the low growth margin would would view us. But certainly, you know, we've... We can feel that if it was taken over by maybe a regular, the social high be the project would fly. But with the kind of very much, we are saying that we wanted to be an inclusive neighborhood an inclusive neighborhood it is different types of people living together alongside each other. Not in kind of meat separated boxes, that is gonna be a challenge. Yeah.
And Yeah. It's really interesting. I... I think, like it is a third kind of model or, you know, even for model of delivering housing and To me, it just seems such a good idea and particularly in terms of as you say, and I know you wanted to talk about that like that as you say the care and housing crisis and how they intersect.
Yeah. So that, that's very much something that's kind of close to my heart and I think I think we have to, you know, we have to address, you know, care within within housing kind of context until now, you know, we've had... Got this, you know, big move of of Dean's socialization for people of with the disability, which it's absolutely fantastic. But there is, you know, such a shift, you know, there's kind of, again, you've got these 2 things a bit like social housing
and and drive housing. You've got nothing in the middle. So you have people living in care, very kind of a regulated states, especially, you know, Covid I suppose ramped that regulation point. You know, quite a lot. So even kind of getting back when you normal if you're living in residential care is is much more difficult than people who are living in their own homes and have a bit more in autonomy. And then you have on the other side kind of independent living.
And, you know, sometimes those kind of choice places that that people are living are just not are aren't fungi. And we've got an example.
Close to me. I live in just outside Ka the rural spot that the local authority to disability provider, built a very reasonable kind of renovate the house over the last few years for people with the disability to live in and There's wheelchair, to wheelchair a user's, maybe in a house that is on a very busy main road, and in order to eat their house, they need lead staff to come with a I mean, boston, you can just see that it's it's not
thinking with it in a neighborhood context. It's just seeing housing isolated by itself. So I suppose that what for me the kind of coal idea you could get housing and action thinking about our support needs our potential to be mutually supportive as well, and... I mean, on a Bigger level I'm really interested in is also kind of shaking off some of this kind of care... Who's who is the care and who is cared for and within that housing you could you could
make that a lot more neighbor complex. And, we're all going to be carers and character in our life. And Yeah. I think I think in order, I think that the terror crisis on the housing crisis are need to be seen together because in the same way of, housing is becoming una affordable and people are living in substandard situations and totally appropriate situations.
I think that there is a care that there's a care crisis on at the moment as well that people's care needs are just not being met and the way they should be. Yeah. Absolutely. I think as well, of course, the other you know, sight to that is is is, you know,
the... It's the cost of housing, the cost of care and, you know, being able to live afford in an affordable home that is designed around care needs and can help both that financial cost And then as you say, the real quality of life and the ability and of people to live independently. But then the wider as you say care needs we all of care needs at different stages in our lives. And, I think it is... It does really need
to go together. And I think again, it's that the problem with just viewing housing as units, and, you know are we supplying a certain amount of units. But if those housing units aren't the right type, then that is hugely problematic and leaves all these other social crisis either worsened or, you know, not not addressed.
And I think again, it does come back to that importance of that, you know, community as you say inclusive approach to housing and and It is I think a real challenge both to the state and how it operates as a bureaucracy, and and it's a little bit like the computer says no. We don't quite computer with this model of delivering. Therefore, we're not gonna
support it. And also the other hand, we have to make sure the market keeps making its money, and we don't want models that might challenge that either. And I do think though that there... It's a
real... It's really disappointing to see all the the the huge work that's gone in, not being supported the way it should be and, you know, I'm glad to to hear what you said at the start that it's not that the model is is being killed off completely, but actually, it's going to, it as you say, evolve and hopefully, it's to say with a
general election to new new initiatives. In terms of people want to find out about it, and get involved and see you how can they support it or maybe develop their own? Community led housing and what can be done, how where can people find stuff out? You was m. So South organized architecture. Their website is S0A, Dash. They have bear the real kind of putting the work into kind of you know, really thinking what the model can be like a policy for milan for finance,
perspectives. So they're a great place to start. They also have links to some community commercial lake housing groups in Ireland. Obviously, clark Jordan Eco village is a great place of visit to see what kind of housing can look like in flu like Ireland. Clock Jordan is primarily, I think it's kind of a hundred percent, like, owner med.
And, Davey Phillips who kind of wanted of the, you know, movers and shaker the behind up, Jordan, and he's really looking now at bringing kind c into cock Jordan and, kind of more idea of social inclusion. So, you know, Jordan is is a a great model to visit. And in terms of affordable housing, picture, or, c housing alliance. They have a great web website some videos as well. So they're they're very much
working in before housing piece. And then for our project, here in Ka, nimble space of inclusive neighborhood, which is, you know, kind of more looking at. Care and housing and and support. So work union, which is the organization I work with and ford's caution nimble spaces. If you probably Google nimble spaces you'll also find.
There's a lot of videos though anyone interested in, with in house and you've some, fantastic mediums that kinda go through our whole kind of c design and his phase planning process.
And then I spoke was the group that's are really maybe have the most, you know, focus in terms of really hoping to, you know, really, kind of suppose paving the way around creating new neighbors it come around and bree, and they're they website you know, common grand, your science, a lot of your information with them they'll be working with the art architect dom even and again, have a lot of resources on their website.
Brilliant brilliant upgrades there's lots there and hopefully more initiatives can start and be worked on, and it was great to greater a chat again, Rosie, you have say delighted to it.
No. It's great. I'm delighted to I suppose it To know that you've been taken the the time to today to have this conversation with really led housing because I think all of us who in working kind of year on year out you kind of develop this model are, you know, this maybe a slight sense but this being hardened at the moment, but I think that with, you know, just to refocus on it and actually also really see that it isn't this niche model, it's something that can can, kind of support
people through their cycle, support families, and also be, I think a real something very positive for for towns of villages images that are are facing der need need renewal. And I also think that in Rn and, we have so many tools for coming together as a community to meet our needs, and it'll be fantastic if housing was 1 of them. Absolutely agree completely will listen Rosie. And I think that you will develop that project without
doubt. And and many more and we need this community housing, and I look forward in coming years that we actually see them more and more delivered. So listen, thanks again for coming on reboot today. Yeah. Thank you so much, Rory. And, listen, thank you so much everyone. For listening for lovely messages. People are sending in and, keep spreading around the podcast sharing them around really makes a difference that we appreciate all
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