Welcome to Reasonably Shady, a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio. Welcome to another episode of Reasonably Shady. I am Gazelle Bryant. So what's up everyone, This is Robin Dixon. Thank you once again forgiving us your ears. Yes, especially in the summertime, because you know, like in the summer, people go vacant. People are outside outside traveling. Yes they are, you know, to be listening. Or maybe they listened to us at the pool, Oh
that's true. Yeah, or maybe they're you know, there's people hopefully you're still working out and you're listening to us on your workout or on your way to work, but you're you're really not working these days. Who's working right by the way, okay? But the traffic in the working in the in the gas prices. So I saw something on the internet about the gas prices in other countries. Oh they're like double as it is absurd. What is happening? I don't know, but I'm gonna talk to pootin when
is okay? When when I need to look up like traditionally, So first of all, they said inflation is at nine point one percent, which is like the highest it's been in like forty years or something forty one years out of control. When is that going to go backwards? When when is that going to reverse? Like? How long are we going to be in this? Because this is something bad is gonna happen, but I pray not. But in
order for it to switch, something bad's gotta happen. Okay, can we talk like, is Russia still they're still fighting? I don't know, but if they are about to call poot and keep telling y'all, I'm okay. Anyway, alright, per usual, we're getting into our reasonably shady moment of the week, and I'm just gonna go right into it because these kids are mine. You know what, Just when you think they love you, they slap you in the face of and you realize maybe they don't what happened. So I've
got to go out of town. And it's kind of been stressing me at a little bit because I'm I'm leaving them for longer than I would normally leave them. And I've been like all up in their face, jumping in their beds, trying to be up under them, and they're like, ma get away. So I'm like, guys, look, I'm traveling I'm doing I'm doing some things and I'm really gonna miss you all, and they're like, Bama, like they don't care at all that I'm leaving. And I feel like my kids are a little shady. They're a
little bit too much like me. Yeah, but you know when you're going, they'll miss you. So but but but that is kind of like, okay, so was there a time or how long ago was it when the same scenario we would be taking place and they're like oh no, and and they're crying, Well, I we we went from tears I used to get tears too, oh my gosh, I'm gonna miss you, and then wanting to like get every piece of me that they that they could before I left too. They don't give two stocks about me.
They're like goodbye. Well they are what sixteen and seventeen. Yes, Grace is basically putting up the deuces sign like peace out, mom. Yeah. Okay, so so I have so Corey's fourteen, so I have like a couple more years, a couple more years, yeah, because he's still you know, I feel like a lot of kids at fourteen are on re like that, like they don't want anything to do with their parents. Corey is still like likes me, he still loves me, but he done much longer. Okay, well I'm sorry, it's okay.
You have me. I know, I know Robin doesn't care about me either, But do you have a recently shady moment? I do. It's just another event kind of situation. I'm counting. So, you know, you go to the nail salon, you get your you know, your your mani and your petty and the nails, like, oh, you want gel on your toes and like usually I'm like, no, I don't need Joe. I'm just gonna do paint polish or whatever, but like
white paint chips. So I was like, yeah, let's do Joe. Okay, Okay, worst decision ever, worst because it really weakens your toenails. And so like my big like look at this, you see this, Like it literally my nails split like deep and not that it hurts, but it's like if you just like play with your toenail, it's splitting, it's coming off toails. Are we's gonna take a picture off her toeail that we're talking about. She's gonna posting on her
stories because it looks crazy. I mean, but this the piece came off, but it literally was like flipped up that whole that whole piece was just like flipped up. So the Gael like really weakened your toenails. I said, okay, I didn't know that. That's good to know. It's good to know people that said that's a good tip. And okay, And so this is the second time I had to
so this toe, my other big toe. This is acrylic on my toe because the Gael weakened my toe nail, you know, So when they so when I got my nails polished again, and I had like a big split in it right there, like, oh, well, we can't pull that off. It's gonna hurt. So let's put a crylic on it, literally crylic on my big toes. So you got tricked into a crylic basically, it's what you're saying, Yeah,
well it's just acrylic right here. But I'm I'm taking this off, like I don't ship and now I feel like I'm stuck, right because it's the summertime, right, so I can't So if I take the gel off, you know, you want to let you give your your nails time to like get stronger and and grow in but it's the summertime. I can't have my nails, my toe nails not painting. No, that one Dixon is not having now he is not walking down the street with you. And
you tells the jack yes. And then when if I take the gel off of these nails, they're gonna be so we I don't know what to do. Let's stop. Yeah, you stock you're stuck with gel on your toes until you're seventy five. Let's tell like the fall until it's time to like cover the toes. Alright, guys, we have an amazing show for you. Guys, we are talking to none other than Carlos King, King King. And if you don't know who he is, um, and I have to really explain to you who he is, you might be
a loser. So it is reasonably shade sters. We have for us to date a guest who really needs no introduction. Okay, but we're gonna introduce him anyway. So he is what is he robbing? Oh my gosh, the producer extraordinaire, Mr Carlos, kids of many many television shows. He's got a new podcast, He's got a new nighttime talk show. Carlos Like, let us get us right, tell us run down your resume, up everything. Yeah, you guys did a great job. So you know, people call me the King of reality television.
People or you or yourself. Oh honey, like Beyonce's bee Hive. I don't come up with the moniker. My fans do. Just check it, ye. So you know, i am called the King of reality television, and I've been producing reality TV for fifteen years, starting with the Real house Spots of Atlanta, which was my first reality show. I'm the first black man ever to executive produce a Real Housewives franchise and paved the way for others. Hey, Eric Fuller,
Eric Eric Um. I have a late night show on own called The Nightcap with Carlos King that air Saturday's at ten o'clock on the Upper Morfrey Network. I'm the creator of the Love and Match franchise, which has Hunt's Bill and d C starring Gizelle's best friend Money Samuel. Podcast called Reality with the King, which is a shady, reasonable podcast. Like yeah, okay, so we're gonna start with
some ice breakers a little bit. Okay, this is rapid fire, rapid fire, Carlos Okay, you ready, Okay, favorite Colorady favorite color blue blue, Beyonce, Arihanna, Beyonce, Nicki, Minaja, Cardi ban Nicki, Minaj, Potomac or Atlanta. Oh, no shade right now? Potomac okay, and no shade because we love Atlanta and they paid the way, yes, but they paid the way. But don't make anybody man please. Yes, but Carlos King has said
Potomac okay. And that's huge, just for the record for Carlos to say that, because we know that Atlanta is your baby, you know, when it comes to producing and when it comes to talking about the Real Housewives of Atlanta, it's simos. What's not simultaneous, Simo is Carlos is in
the equation. Okay. There is no Atlanta without Carlos King. Okay, So so you know what, Carlos I. On a recent episode of Reasonably Shady, I kind of went on a rant about how I feel like social media has kind of um changed the landscape of of the Real Housewives.
Like we were kind of being nostalgic about early Atlanta Housewives, yes, you know, seasons one through four or five, whatever, And I was saying, I really feel like now because social media is so prevalent in in you know, almost so toxic that it has changed the way that people on these shows act and the things that they say, the things they do, the way that they look, so that now you're not really getting the real raw person and the things that they would really say and how they
were interact with one another. You're getting people who are guarded, who are worried about, yes, filtered, who are who are worried about you know what the fans are gonna say, Yeah, it's been canceled dealing with the backlass of social media. Like, so do you agree with that? Because I was like, I really miss you know nothing, you know, it's just when you think about it's like, wow, like you if you sit and watch Atlanta season one to three, it's
so different than anything that's on TV right now. If you watch Beverly Hills seasons one to three, it's so different,
Like things have just changed so much. So do your thought, Yeah, no, I listen, I agree one a hundred person And I produced the first episode, first season of the Real Hospital of Atlanta in two thousand and eight, right, so I was there when Ninie Leagus, Kim Zosiac, Chara Whitfield, de Sean Snow Lisa Wu like, these women were the blueprint, and the reason why they were the blueprint is because they didn't have anybody to study. They were truly being themselves.
There was no social media. What has happened now, especially when it comes to let's talk about the Housewives fan base. The Housewives fan base who I love because they followed my career. They're fantastic some of them. Some of them are very toxic, and it's it's it's it's it's ruining the fun of watching the show, and it's ruining the
fund of producing the show. I will say when I left see the Nine of the Real Hospitals of Atlanta, it wasn't around the time where I felt that some of those women, we're behaving because they cared about what social media was going to say and and and there they come across very guarded. I'll gep an example. Deret on Beverly Hills was iconic when she first came onto
the scene. She was interesting, she was fun. The fans hated the read her first and second season, but I loved her because I said, she's ballsy, she's brave, and she speaks her mind. Deret is so boring. She has nothing going on Twitter, ruined deret do not care about the rented clothes that you get from the stylist in the nine o two one oh the code. I could care less about your alleged um businesses of you trying to make over a corner of a restaurant and we
don't see it anymore. I do not care about your wedding dresses you're trying to promote when I haven't seen it all this season. Time outwards, time out, time out. Okay, first of all, first of all, we started this, and y'all, I don't think we recorded it. Carlo said he was reasonable and zealous, shady. Let me tell you something. This man is a shady one. Is he read to Read like a new book talk and he wasn't done. You
interrupted him. Continue. Well, I'll finish by saying to Read is the perfect example of how social media can ruin a reality star who had the potential to be iconic and and and that is sad. And that's why last one I leave My Love and Match Hunsbill cast. There four seasons, and none of them are on Twitter anymore because they ain't said to themselves, I no longer can do my job if I re comments based on what these people think about me. So let me do, let
me do, let me do this. Let me continue being great on my show where I'm asking money and not care about what you guys saying on Twitter dot com. Yeah, and you know that's me and Robin's story. I know, you know we don't play around with the Twitter. Um. Now, I do have a question because you and I were on because this offended me a little bit, Carlos, some little caveat out there. First, you and I were we did this little e behind reality television or something like
the story of reality television. Okay, So in that you talked about Ninie Leaks and the greatness and the bigness of Ninie Leaks. Right, Because I'm gonna be honest with the first time I saw Ninie on Atlanta, which was like season one ap one, first scene there's Ninie, I was like, holy shit, she's a star, right, And and you in that interview, it I like you were taking credit for for for Nini and her personality and her character and everything, not her character, but just like her rise, right.
And I was like, no, Carlos, you can't do that. And I took I took it personal only because I am on the other side of the camera and I would never want any producer to be like, oh I made Gizelle, I made Robin. If it wasn't for me and bitches wouldn't be ship like I would hate that. But to my in my defense, I never said those things. But continue no, no, no. So the question, well you you kind of did a little bit Carlos, So the question.
So the question is do you feel like without Carlos, Nini would not be as big as she is, I guess is the question? Oh no, not at all, not at all. So let's let's let's go back a little bit. Because one thing about me, you know, being from the world of journalism and my Porsche boys, is I remember
the facts. So when you and I both were on UM I think it's called Reality rewind Andy Cohen produced it, and they when I say that, the producers asked me questions about Ninie Leaks and the first day we met, and I said, when I met ninniele she was a star. I thought in love with her. She said, hey, bitch, I said, oh bitch, we're gonna be friends forever, like I love her. And what I did say which is true is that Ninie will look at me and my
mannerisms and she would be like, oh, that's funny. And she will always you know how like growing up in the black household, how your parents would be like, just Zelle, Robin, go dance for the people, Go go dann go see in front of the friends like this. Chris would come over. So on set, Ninie will have her friends over and she was like, Carlo's come here. Do that thing you did when you used to swipe your bangs away. And I would be like, yes, yeah, yeah, I love it.
I love so in she started taking my manner rhythms and she will apply it on camera and people and people would be like, why are you acting like a gay black man? People obviously say likened A's like a gay black man. I was saying Gizelle that I'm the gay black man that she was acting like. So I'm glad we talked about that. But no, I would never take credit for her success. But I will say this, and every great female reality star is great because she
has a producer. Oftentimes it's a gay boy oftentimes who is able to pull out the best. And when I say that, I'm not saying we take credit for no more success. My my, my thought process in this is when you look at Beyonce and Mariah Kerry and Jennet Jackson, like these great reformers, oftentimes they have a gay choreographer, Like there's something about that relationship that happens. And I believe the reason why Gil you are one of my ten greatest houseplights of all time is talk about that
you're great on your own. Don't get me wrong. But and I'm gonna stop saying his name because he's very private. But there's a producer who works on potomac Um, a gay black man who is beyond talented and a genius. And I think because you have a trusting relationship with him and and a and a key key that that it brings off the best in you. But but but by no means what I say. He's the reason why
you're number nine on my list. So let's get to the list really quickly, because I have some questions about this list now. Was happy that I made it on the list. I was honored because Carlos King does not give out accolades easily at all. Okay, we know that. So Kyle Richards was not on the list right And that was confusing to me because I feel like she's held Beverly Hills together for fourteen seasons or have a long maybe I would agree with you, So then why
wasn't she on the list? She was not on my top ten list right now, when I do my top twenty, Kyle would be numbered eleven. I'm done. Car would be between the love and OK. But but I guess the big the bigger question, Carlos is you had Danielle Stop on the list. No shade to Danielle, but Danielle was
a housewife for well how many seasons? At one point two and for two Whereas it's like, if I feel like skin in the game speaks volumes, right, Kyle has skinning the game like no other and and every season she has a solid season and she keeps that show going. So like, how would how would she be over how would you overlook her to a Danielle style? Easily? Name me one iconic thing that Kyle has done, Mauriceo. The splits, Carlos, that's what we got. Let's plan it exactly. No. Look,
I am a huge Kyle Richard's fan. I think she's a great reality star Kyle Richard's competing against the top ten. She doesn't hold the candle to a daniel style because at the end of the day, and I said this, and I and and quote me again, without Danielle, nothing would have happened on New Jersey housewise, and I was there the first two seasons and can say that without Danielle the show will be boring. And no disrespect of Potomic Ladies, but we can also look at a show
like Potomac and say without certain people, what would be happening. So, because Danielle was on her own and Teresa at that time was very safe and sweet, Teresa's table flip is courtesy of Danielle. So Kyle. Although Kyle is good at stirring the pot and listen, I think Kyl is great. But when it comes to Niny, Bethany, Ramona, Teresa, Danielle, Giselle, Sara, Kim Zelsiac, Kyle, Kyle is an iconic, but she definitely
is a formidable player. Okay, So I heard a rumor that that because you worked on Erzy the year at the table got flipped, right, Yes, so she didn't really flip the table, that was you under the table flipping it for her. I heard a room that that was Carlos onto the table, and Teresa took all the credit
for Carlos flipping that table. So I was under the table handy dang yelled the book that she placed on the table, and then you and then you flipped it, and then you flipped it because you said it's gonna be good. I wish I was that. I wish I was a little bright genius then, but I was that. Was that your first housewife show you worked on before? It was that before Atlanta? That was after Atlanta? So
what's funny? And I did Atlanta season one, and and I had a break for like two weeks, and then I got a phone call about this housewife in New Jersey, and I decided to do New Jersey. Okay, but you weren't. You weren't EP on New Jersey, were you? No? No, No, I was in a gipping books underneath the table, Rabbit. You're a field producer. Okay, let's be clear. Act on Atlanta Girls. When I was at EP, Honey, I still was on my knees doing something to make sure the
scene was great. So, so where did you start in in your producing career, Like, how did you get started? Yeah, so I went to college and I majored in journalism. Because of that, I was afforded these internships. So I interned at The View, I entered at MTV. My last internship was at BT. A year later, I got a job as a p A working on one or six
and Park and other shows. And then two years after that, I got a phone call from a mutual friend who said, I have this opportunity in Atlanta to do this reality show called Ladies of Hotlanta. You love reality TV? Would you be interested? And I was like, child, let me think and because I was like, you expect me to leave New York City and go to Atlanta? But I said, you know what, I'm a man of faith. Let me do it. And it was the best decision of my
career because the rest is history. Okay, so you didn't start. You weren't EP on season one Atlanta. No, No, I wasn't a p until season six of Atlanta, which is the highest season. And we know because and Nini called Peter a bit. Now I have a question, so, um, because we spoke of you and people that have worked producers on Potomac, who have been very influential in helping
us get to where we are. Um However, give me an honest answer, Carlos, do you feel like do you feel like because you are a man okay, and and you're a man helping women tell their story, do you feel like you can do it better than a woman helping women tell their story? Is there is there disconnot a disconnect, but you know when women, we know what we go through, we feel it. Yeah, so I'm what do you have the Yeah, that's a that's a very great question. No, I don't think I have a um
an edge over a woman who's also producer. UM. I think a woman who's producing a show that's dominated by women, she has to be confident in order to be honest with the women and not be intimidated by the woman. And I think the reality star who's a woman has to be able to feel comfortable sharing your personal business because let's let's just be real. Historically, women don't like
to tell other women the business period. They just because it's one of the things where it's like, girl, I don't know you want my man, I don't know you want my life. I don't know if there's some single black or white female situation. So it takes a minute.
So when you come to a talented man, Gail straight, there's a guard that's led down right because it's like, well, you can't take my man, and if you do, and if you can, I want another issue, right, um, And I'm able to at least give you more more of me because my guard is now. So I don't think that, um, we do a better job in women, not at all. I think women can do a great job. And what's funny is, let's talk to Giselle. I remember talking to
you your first season. I remember you had a female Shaw runner and she called me and you guys were in the middle of getting a scene together, and Giselle said, oh, Carlos, I thought you were gonna are for this third I did, and I was like, why did I come from? That's so funny? I ask that. Well, I, well, I knew that we had the same production company. People don't know this, but we have the same production company as Atlanta, Potoma does.
And you were of producers. You're the only person that black. We know their name, right, So I just assumed that they would in Atlanta was great, So I just assumed that they would take whoever they were using in Atlanta and give them to us so that we could be great. Um, now I can say that the person that you were talking to, she was great for us. She gave us the tools. Yeah, she gave us the tools that we needed season one, season two. I can Carlos, and be honest,
I can still hear her in my brain. Um. She has this saying called fix your face. And there's so many times where like I'm in a scene and that this face is jacked all the way up, but I need to fix it. And it's not anything that has to it's not anything that has to do with the cast. It's what's going on in producing like that. You know, sometimes the producing of it all could be problematic, and you know, we get upset about it. But but she gave us wonderful tools to get us to a season.
No season, Well are we supposed to say that? Okay, fine, we just did season I want to talk about now. I want to talk about you because Carlos, you know, we might have been in Miami and and Carlos Herd. We was in Miami and when I say, we me robbing and some other ladies and Carlos said, let me go meet the ladys that son Mike face to face up closing in personal and I totally loved it. Was so happy that you did that. I'm sure you're you know, you're a really busy guy and you took time out
to come and meet us and just keep key. I mean, we had a good key kip with Carlos. Yes, no, and and listen, and I'll say this and I don't care gets mad. I am a black man in this business producing reality TV, and I'm such a fan of reality And one thing about me is I support all of my black females and males in this genre because I know how hard it is to be great in front of the camera being judged by the world. So Number one, I want to make it very clear, I
am a fan. Number one, I thank you. I watched Potomac and I get my entire life. So when I was told that you ladies were well, that you two and some other folks were in Miami, I you don't I didn't tell you all this. I canceled two meetings and I said, and I said, I have to meet them. I'm a fan, just like meeting Beyonce. Oh my gosh. I was like, wait, I said, but Carlos is what you don't know. So after you laughing everything, um, Karen comes up to me and she says, at Giselle, did
you did you get to meet the Carlos? Did you did you meet Carlos? I said, yes, bitch before you, Yes, I met Carlos. Okay, he came and saw me first, and look and look. Some other people were like, Carlos was here. I didn't see Carlos. Yeah, that's probably about this. I don't know. I listen. I love I love all of you, ladies, but I will say this, it was
a pleasure beating the two of you. I'm not gonna say who us was in the room because I ain't stupid, but I have to say, first of all, guys, Gizelee and Robin are gorgeous in person, like like no makeup. We were in the bed, like when I said to you, guys,
we had a key. We had a key key. And the beauty of talking to Gizelle and Robin was they're such great professionals and they know how to do their job and we just had a I don't want to spoil it, but we just had a good time talking about the show and the scenes and this and just reality TV. They threw me shade, you know it was It was fun and I want people to know that at the very end of the day, I am a
huge fan of Potomac. And I say this all the time, and I'm not disrespecting my land of girls, who I will always love, but the real hospice of Potomac to me is the best housewives out right now amazing. So wait before before you switch topics. So when when you were um, when we were in the room, you called Giselle executive producer and you called me co executive producer. So what are you when you're watching Potomac? What are
you seeing that makes you think that? Okay, So as a student, no, let let me not be so humble. As a professor of super sorry, Dr Wendy, I'm the professor tonight. So you're talking about they'll do it, they'll do it. So luck when I watched the show and that and that's the reason why I'm saying what I said earlier was the relationship between the producer and the cast members crucial because there's a level of trust. And when you talked about the female producer, who you still
here in your ear like fix that face. I can't watch Potomac and a thing about the two of you, y'all play off of each other. And I'll give it. I'll give an example of two scenes that are I'll give three very quickly. I'll give three very quickly. Season one, episode one, Jeez, okay, because I do this ship for real.
When Gizelle told Karen, y'all have this argument about the crab boils, and it was his whole thing in the mirror, I I knew in that instance, I said, Oh, Gizelle, it's like this has to be in the first episode. I'm not gonna be a part of anything boring, so let me make sure to just be honest. And since Karen and are friends in real life, let me read her real quick and it won't matter. So that's a
I'm not suber. One. Number two is last season when Professor Wendy and the two of you were on the couch. You guys are on the cash trip. Um Ashley took off maternity leave to be messy and to deliver the message to Dr Wendy and y'all to set on the couch. Wendy had was fed up to here y'all look on the couch and said, girl, I don't really give a ship.
This was a great scene. I'm going to sip on my bottle water with the straw and Robin said, I'm going to literally finger myself as you talk about that. I was like, they are good, paired and last or not least last, but not least. When Ashley and Candice had that altercation in candice home and Ashley gave the read of girl, you mean your mama hig official mama table,
which I think is everything and canvas stupid knife. That was all orchestrated because Robin said, I'm just gonna say it, Uh, your husband act like you set a flat out, and then Gazelle said, you leave it. I'll come back in the house because when you think I'm gonna work to do because the crew is here for another two hours. So that's what I mean when I say, you guys
are the executive and the co EP. Okay, now now that you didn't broke that all the way down, we must agree and all right, so switch your gears a little bit. Switching gears a little bit because I know that um not not I know, but I've heard that you and Andy Cohen. Do you all have a relationship, because it seems like right now the trajectory of your career, Carlos is similar to Andy. Right, Um, do you feel like he's a mentor to you? Do you feel like, um,
you know, do you'all talk y'all go to parties? Do you Are you invited to the Hamptons like I'm not. I am not invited to the Hamptons. No I'm not. But no, So here's somebody obviously I have the pleasure of work with for all the years I did Atlanta
and New Jersey. And when it was announced that I had a podcast, he sent me a d M and he said, dude, you're killing get congratulations And I of course said thank you, and I said, look, I'm no idiot, like you paved the way for someone like me to have a career um in front of the camera because you shown that it can be done. And at the end of the day, what I will say on record is the fact that he is somebody that definitely paved
the way. And I will always give the man his flowers. Yes, yes, So are you gonna have a surrogate and name the child? I mean, what's what, what's what's going to be for you? Well? You know, look, I want to be able to be the phase of black unscripted television. So I have a I have years before that can happen. Okay, when you turn fifty, right, okay, very good? Like I got got. I got a lot of years before I turned fifty. So look in your experience producing great reality television, how
many times have you gotten cursed out by? Remember? Yes? Is it arranged from like? Um? And who has cursed you out the moment? Who's the best curse your best? Y'all gonna get So I've been cussed out by Nini Charai, Candy, Faedra Porscha, Marlowe, Kim I'm sorry, Kim Costume, Kim Zosiac yes, Um, Kim Fields. Okay, she didn't know what hit her at me? I said, yeah, honey, you better read me, honey. But no, the only person who has never yelled at me is
Kenya Moore. Kenym Moore has never yelled at me when k so, let's talk about this. You know how, sometimes a producer can say, like, you know what, I think we should talk about this. We'll talk about that. And sometimes you're like, all right, final, I'll mark it up. And sometimes you're like, no, I'm not doing it right. So Kenya, Ken, you will give me this look and I know she's mad, she'll do this and I'm like, oh my gosh, ken is mad, but she she she
has never raised her voice. So the person who has cut me out the best is and you're gonna gag Cynthia Bailey. You know what's funny that I mean that? So I have cursed out producers too. No no, no no, no, no no, let me help you, Carlos, let me help you, Let me help you. This is t so the first cursing out that Eric Fuller got. Yes, we're gonna mention his name, Robin. Yes. So you so it's funny you say Cynthia. And you know a lot of people kind of compared me to cynthio On on Potomac or whatever.
So I'm like, it's funny you say that because it's like, yeah, we might be quiet, we might be the nice, the laid back one, the easy one, but we have it in us like kiss us off, you piss us off. But I need to know why you custom ouse. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you why. So, um, it was season one and it was in the beginning of the season and me, Robin, and Katie were going to Charie's house. Okay, So Katie and I were in the bushes for some reason. That's the that's I think
that was part of the scene. So we that, I mean, if we were in the car, we were in we went the car, but they didn't show that because we were in the car before we got started, and there was some information that Katie was told to talk about and she didn't know not to tell us. She told us before we started filming, okay, which was which is like, because you know, Katie wasn't Katie was just we were we were new okay. So so they were talking about
wanting a scene. So, so, okay, season one, I'm gonna be honest, I didn't know what the hell I signed up for. All she knew, I didn't know what I signed up for. Okay. So so season one, before we started filming, just I'm probably revealing too much at this point. So before production started, they asked me, is there anything that's off limits in your story? Right? You know that's a setup, you know, how y'all do that's a set up.
I'm like, they asked me that, yes, and I said, well, you know, Wane wand doesn't really want to talk about his financial issues. Okay. So we pull up to a scene, we're in a car. We're like, they're holding us, right, and Katie is like, yeah, um, I was with Ashley today and actually was talking about you know, one had y'all had twenty five and one y'all file for bankruptcy and all this, and I right, I mean, in hindsight, Katie should have saved all of that for the scene.
But oh yeah, because that would have been and yeah, iconic scenes you talk about, that would have been amazing. So then Eric comes to the car to be like okay, guys, okay, guys, it's time for you guys to go into Teresus and Robin was like, hew fucking gets out to car, curse Eric out to smithereens. Okay, I was clutching my pearls. I said, we God damn so um Robin left. She left the scene the scene she said, don't call me no more. I quit. This was this was two weeks
in the season one. Robin quit. I told you, I don't know what I signed up for y'all reason about shady exclusive it is it is I quit, I don't and and so for me to still be here seven years later, like I guess I got over really quickly. And I'm like, yeah, and so now my what I say to people when they get all mad, it's what you signed up for. Yes, it is. It definitely is.
Do you believe that this is facts? Because this is Robin and I always say we always say that if you get through a season as a People on Our sidecast and as if at some point in the season you didn't want to run away cry because everybody out, leave your family and just go hide it under a rock, then you're not doing your job. Like every season you gotta you gotta throw it all on the table. Yeah, no, I can't hardly believe that. Listen. I will always defend
my reality cast, not people I just work with. I'm talking about the industry as a whole. It takes a lot of courage to get in front of a camera and tell your business and and and to to to talk about things that you don't want to talk about. That takes a lot of courage. So if you aren't having anxiety or feeling like I want to quit or feeling like, damn, this is gonna be bad, then you were being honest because one thing I will say, everybody in their lives have something going on that they would
prefer to keep under the rug. We all I have that there's ship that goes on with me. I'm like the Lord Jesus. But if I signed on to be a reality star, I want to be the best, and I have the personality of if you don't want to be great, then why I sign up to do it? Right? Right?
We we we totally agree. Well, see my perspective different because I signed up, Like I said, I didn't know what I signed up for, and when the opportunity presented itself, I was just kind of like, oh, you only live once, Okay, I'll do it. I'll try it for me. I wasn't you know, Oh I want to be you know, a superstar And and to be honest, does that will tell you? Like to this day, I still don't think I'm like famous, Like I'm still it's still weird to me that I'm
on reality TV. That's just my personality. I'm I'm laid back. I don't think coming if I'm wrong. I don't think you or Ashley care about that in my opinion. Yeah, and Nashley too. Yeah, we're we're pretty much. I will probably say like I'm the same person today that I was seven years ago or eight years ago before the show.
You know, like it hasn't it doesn't consume my life. Um, and you know, I want to go back to the conversation about you know, people you know watching the shows and and and thinking they have to act a certain way. It's hard because it's like on Reality's like Okay, you want to watch because you want to know, like you wanna know what happens, right as a as a cast member, I want to say, Okay, what's happening on these other shows?
But then a part of me doesn't want to watch because I don't want to think that I have to act like Teresa or Dorenda or Ramona or whoever Erica. Like, I don't want to think, let me watch these shows and act like them and say what they say and do what they do. So you know, for me, I've always just been like you know what, I'm gonna be myself. I'm not really into it, like you know, trying to pretend to be someone I'm not. I know what they say about me. I don't care. That's why you're great
at what you do. Yeah, you don't have to be the loudest in the room to have a moment. And to your point, Robin, let's talk about the real housewives of Dubaye, right, which I like to say the real housewives of Bye Bye. For me, those women studied every single housewife and it's hard for me to get into them because I don't think they're being themselves. What do y'all think? Okay, I've only seen one, maybe one and a half episodes. The only thing that stands out to
me is the is the model girl? Right, But I think he's talking about her. I feel like, but I feel like, Okay, yes, she's at least entertaining to watch the others is like paint drying, right, So she keeps me, I'm looking for her for the next scene, so I will give her that. Yeah, are were about to be clips? They're gonna clip this up? Jeez? No, But I agree. The thing is this. The thing is this When you look at someone like Chanelle on Dubai, you're already interesting,
You're you're you're gorgeous, you have this interesting look. Everything about your life to me is interesting. You don't have to try hard to be the moment, just be you because you already have it. Aesthetically, some miss think go into the scene and make magic happen. And that's the reason why in my opinion, and this is no shade, let's talk about it. That's why Potomac Yes became great half this season two babies not after season two. What happened to season one? See season one was not good.
People need to figure out where who who we are and you know, let's let's let's keep it all the way real. Carlos TV had not seen people like us, had not seen light skinned, green eye bandits, had didn't understand okay, they educated their black women, they went to college like you know, that was so foreign back then, and so I felt I felt like people just needed to especially our culture, needed to understand. Yeah, we with y'all,
like we we down, We're bout about it now. I think Bravo wanted to establish us as they didn't even confused as to what we were gonna be. So it was like this big whole etiquette thing, right remember that. Unfortunately, Yes, we didn't get it either. But I don't know what season two, what happened? We just got ratchet? What do we do? I mean, he's I don't know. I guess he's talking about the addition of some people that he works closely with. That's what I'm gonna assume. Is that
what you're talking about, Carlos? Oh it know what you're talking about? No, don't do it. I love it all right. So this is a portion of the episode of the show, Carlos, and which you can ask us anything, say whatever you gotta says anything, tell us anything, you know what you gotta say? What? Oh, and tell us what would you do differently in Potomac or if you were a producer in Potomac, what do you see? Like, Oh, you know, are there things that you would have tried to produce
differently or or you know, I don't know. That's a very good question. Okay, So I'm happy to report that after season one where season one half potential, but like Gazelle admitted, it was all about etiquette, and no one gives a shit about that, right, I am going to say this, and I'm gonna be very real. Starting from season two, you you guys have excelled tremendously, to the
point of I wouldn't have done anything differently. I think you guys haven't going on thank you, go on thank you and I and I've said, I've said that the secret Sauce and the beauty of Potomac is that you know, because we were the last standing o G. So like me, Rob and Ashley Karen have a chemistry about us that, um,
people want to see season after season, right. I mean, yes, we've gotten some people that have come and go along the way, But but to keep the originals together for this long I think has been very productive for the show. I agree. I agree. If it ain't, don't fix it. And your franchise does a marvelous job at casting. Y'all cast some good people to be on the show. It's actually really hard to cast our show though, you know that, right. No,
it's funny. I know the casting and he used to do it for years and he said the same thing. But you guys find great people in the midst of the struggle, like Monique and Wendy and Candice and Mia. You know what I'm saying. I scala no, no, ma'am. Scalar no, ma'am. No, mam, but I want to say I think Mia was a great addition. I think that she brings you know, I always like something different, you know, Mia brings something different and and she and she owns
her ship. She she stands on who and what she is. I love that. No, I mean, but I agree with everything he said. I think everyone has been Yeah, I think everyone's been a great addition. And yes, it's really hard to cast this show. But but you're right, it's like finding diamonds in the rough, you know, and and it's and maybe that's why you know I'm still here. I'm the boring one, and I'm still here because you can't find that many people to replace me. So you know,
I don't know if you know, And let me. I'm a comment on that, and then I'm gonna ask all the questions. I don't think you're boring at all. Not everybody on Housewide needs to be this big, boisterous personality. And I need somebody who's level headed. You need somebody who's the peacemaker, and you need somebody who's there and and not you know this this this this sort of like big, like I said, personality, And I think you offer that to the show. So I don't think you're boring.
Cynthia was not boring at all. Um, So it does bother me when people say that. Yeah, Like, I mean, I think on any show you need balance. Like, if you had six knees on the show, it would be chaos. You know, if you have sixs on the show, it would be chaos. You know, So you definitely need balance. And and then you know, and then the other thing is like, you know, not everyone is everyone's cup of tea.
That's fine. That's why there's six, seven, eight housewives on the show, because you're not going to like every single one. So and some people like the you know, aspirational part of housewives, but other people like the relatable part of housewives. So I just I mean, I don't know. I think it's good to show both, but I do, you know, I mean, I laugh at it. I'm like, you know, I'm I'm still here. If I'm so boring, I'm still here. You know, I'm obviously doing something right. All right, we
got time for one question. You have one question, Oh my god, just one a you can have to, you can have to, Okay, I gotta make a good okay, And y'all better be honest. Would y'all say Monique Samuel's was good for the show, really that's your question. Oh God, listen, he's been dying to say her name. He's been dying so so so this is this is probably gonna, I don't know, upset some people, maybe because people are very sensitive.
So when season one, when we filmed the show and season one was about to premiere, I said, we don't have any color on this show. I said, we're to light skin. We need some brown skinned people on the show. And I said, people aren't going to connect with us, you know, people who are you know, used to watching Atlanta, So they're not going to connect with us because they're going to just see a cast full of light skinned people. So when Monique was cast it, I was so happy.
I was so happy to see a beautiful, brown skinned woman cast on our show who's living the Potomac life that they wanted to see. I thought she was a fabulous addition to our show. You know, not just for that reason alone, but I thought that was so important for people to see that um and for for them to be able to connect to us. And I mean, yeah, I do. I think she was a good addition to
the show. Of course, we we had success, so you know, and I think you know, a lot of it is that people tuned in, they saw all Monique, they said, oh well, let me watch this show and see what it's about. And then people were able to appreciate the show for what it was and not look at the show and say I can't relate to anyone. So just for that reason alone, I think she was a great addition.
And so I agree with everything that Robin said. But currently she's exactly where she should be, which is with you on another network. No, and I agree with that. I agree with that. Okay, so my next question, it'll be quick, is two and one. But it's easy. Okay, you ready, out of the current Real Housewives of Potomac cast, besides just Zelling Robin, who is the top housewife that you think brings it and who is the least interesting housewife that brings it? I can answer this because it's
because I think it changes here. It does change, it changes year after year. But I can say, and this is a little bit of a spoiler alert for season seven, I hope Andy don't fire me. Karen come brings it. This season. Yes she does, and it wait wait, meaning Karen is Karen is wanted to straddle the fence, not give her opinion, you know, kind of play it safe. The Grand Dame does not do that, okay. And the least she doesn't know she she she's spilling tea like
Karen was spilling tea this season. When does she ever spill tea? She has a spilled tea in seven seasons. Listen, I'm telling you I think it's a different side to her. I know why Ram is not agreeing with me right now. And the least, who would you say, is the least what was the question? Was the least at least interesting, least important, or at least all of the above? Says Look, I'm let you answer that. Can wait wait, let me answer the first part. I don't agree with um, Karen.
I'm going to say. Ashley, Oh yeah, well, I mean but but I think Ashley is not a surprise considering last year. Yeah. I think I feel like Ashley saw last year and was like, oh, it's time to play, and you're gonna see a very different a very You're gonna see a different Ashley. You're gonna see the old Ashley but you're gonna see a very different Ashley. Yeah. Okay, true, true, Okay, So Karen and Ashley, we'll give it to them. Okay, yeah, Lord the least, and she's not gonna answer that. We're
not gonna answer that in that second call. You can answer just like process of elimination. I mean, I mean, I think, I mean, okay, I'm not answered. Listen, Carlos, I'm gonna answer that. Okay, this is what we're gonna do. The season is going to premiere. We're gonna talk to you again on your podcast, and I will answer that question for you, Okay, and I will give reasons why. Okay,
fair enough. I mean we know because the thing about is this, Okay, I I think I may know who the answer is, but I don't want to speculate, so we will wait and you'll announce it on Reality of the King pot Yes, okay, perfect, Okay, yes, yes, so tell us. I'm not spl it and I'm not gonna spoil it, but I'll say this much. I am hearing this upcoming season, Darling's explosive and fantastic da I heard the same thing you guys are coming for the Crown
of Belly Hills. Oh listen, Carlos, um I concur listen. I heard the same thing, and you know, I hope the ratings reflect that. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I gotta say, carl before we leave, let's let Carlos talk about Okay, your podcast, your show and stuck all your time they come on, Not that he hasn't already done that in the whole podcast. Yes, where we can. Okay, by the way, By the way, this was like the best key key we've had on reasonably Shady in a very long time. Like, Carlos,
you are a good key key. I feel like we should we should make this a regular thing. No, we're gonna we'll have him back. Okay after we're like midway through season seven, after that starts airing, We're gonna have you come back so you can give us your critiques all season seven. Yes, that's good. I would love it. But no, no, I'm just gonna say that what the listeners just heard is exactly what happened when we all met for the first time. It was it was a key key it was fun. So I'm glad that you
guys thought that chemistry. I just want to let the listeners know Carlos is very tight. Yeah, because I remember when when we saw you, I was like feeling on your on your box, like, oh works, don't are done, honey. Just want to let y'all know, Carlos King is a snack Okay, be clear, total clear. That thing is snack up. Okay. He does not play on your side of the street, and that is totally fine. But for the other side of the street, he is quite snack a ball. Okay.
So boys, your heart out, come for the King, and in a different kind of way, come for the kid. You know, you know what, Lord, But you know, I remember he smelled good. Yeah, and he was nice and tight. Yes, that thing okay, car And I'm not mad. I'm not mad. No, he's no, he's not rich. He rich Ritchen, He's a double rich as well. Okay, all right, we have to go, Carlos. You's got no more time, all right, y'all listen to it for Carlos. Follow me on at Carlos King Underscored
to find out what I'm doing. That's all right, thank you, thank you, ladies, good bye ya. Reasonably Shady is a production of the Black Affect podcast Network. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows, and you can connect with us on social media at Robin Dixon, ten, Giselle Bryant, and reasonably Shady