Shatner, Heart Attacks, Fisticuffs + Takei

not a fan of the show. When I tell Bill, wait, wait, wait, you're ready? You want that? I've never heard of you. Have you just begun or is this begun? Yes? And if you had waited for us to do the interest and this is why I was explaining, but I'm so excited to be with you. I didn't you know, It's like it's enough of the four players. You're excited prematurely. Bill. Don't want to be excited prematurely. They've told me that

don't use the word prematurely. You know what. There are pictures flown around my head now that is exactly so what I was gonna say is that there's many really really no really, Bill is it comes from the premise of the show, is that we didn't and I explore things that make us go really really no really, and then we get we try and delve into those things. And who's saying the quizzical really and who is saying

affirmative that goes back and forth? Look at him? This isn't man, See how he'd let me tell you something about Bill shot. The thing I learned about Bill a couple things is you are honest and I mean this Bill, and I'm saying, seriously, you're the most inquisitive guy. You go to a restaurant with Bill. First of all, he's a force of nature. You say no dessert, and he goes, yeah, wait, bring all the dessert. All they just you know, he got me on a horse at a horse show. I

hadn't been in a horse. I'm on a horse. He gets people to do stuff, yeah, against their wild But he's the most inquisitive. I really regret putting you on horse a horse laughing about still to this day they understand, but you aren't. Aren't you the most inquisitive guy that you know? Well before you ask him if he's inquisitive the whole premise of our really, because you want to know how how did you come to be part of our really? Know? First of all, how did you guys

meet a week way? He takes over every now it's now, No, I'm just curious how the same way we did the same way we did too, really swell guys who are really among the most talented in town. Uh, well, I know, but I'm not gonna tell no. Both of you are the most talented in your fields, really the most talented people in your field. How the two of you get together? What is We met on his on the show? We met on his radio? He hasn't He didn't do a radio show. He ran an orphanage. He would pick up

people and put them in his home. Only people who were startling, only people of special Bill, do you remember when you and I first met? Wasn't it on a set you were doing that half hour show? Nope? Okay, we're all in suspense. My best friends in the world approached you to have lunch with me for my thirty fifth birthday, and you met me at a Roma cafe. We had never spoken to each other, that's right, And I had no idea you were coming It was a

complete surprise to me. And then I sat down and you came in and went, Hi, I'm Bill, I'm your I'm your birthday gift. And it took me ten minutes before I could speak because, as you know, but I will tell our audience, I truly was started to steer towards the idea of becoming an actor because of how much I idolized you and your worst You know, I didn't know that. I mean, I don't remember that. What what do you mean you were steering toward what were you doing while you were When I was a kid.

When I was a little kid, the only thing I was really interested in was magic. I thought I was going to be a magician. But you couldn't wait, wait, this is so sad, though ready for this. So the kids in his bedroom studying close up magic for years and then he goes to do it and he's got baby hands. You can't hide anything. You can't hide anything. I have a three month old grandson. He's got bigger hands than idea. So he couldn't do all that time

and then couldn't do it. Yeah, so you gave up the idea of being a magician, right, I started doing We moved and the theater kids were the first kids to pick me up. So I was playing, you know, with with theater and stuff. But I had I didn't think about being an actor. And then it was watching you and watching you work both both certainly certainly on Star Trek, but but I knew what about you? Where's your background? Where did you get He's interviewing us, my

my backwards? Who was in Philly? I was in Who cares? Nobody cares. Nobody cares. They're not tuning in for us. I drove out here one day and really, no, really, he's got it. He's going to take this. No. I actually I was doing advertising. Question he's not in charge here. I know he's ran an entire fleet. All right, fine, do what you want to do. I'll make it. So I was an advertise and I go ahead, go ahead, this is our entire relationship. Go ahead, N asked you.

A lastion should be all email you later. You're gonna have equal time email you. Oh yeah, that's gonna happen, but with the two of you. So no, I was gonna have equal time just as long as the pay remained. I was an advertising I was doing stuff for radio. Are you sharing the pay by the way, are you splitting it down down the middle? It depends where you put the middle. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Is there a fee? I haven't seen it. Are you being paid bill? By

the way, the guy that's happened your agent? Can we have your agent? Whoever? Your agent is your agent. So anyway I got into radio. I got into radio accidentally because I was handling radio Surgion doing their creative. They said, you're pretty funny. They put me on. I moved out to California, not knowing anybody out here, and did it and was too stupid to know that I should be afraid, and went on and just had a blast. And so he had a Western country music radio to do that.

You know, I ended up in country years for years, and I met all kinds of people because I'd go on the show. I'd be doing a horse show, a charity horse show. So every year I would promise the people who are giving me money, the patrons, the donors, that I would get them some publicity. So I'd look for everywhere it could go. Like still to this day,

it's been thirty five years. I've been putting on the Hollywood Charity horse show and over the course of years, who I've raised four hundred, five hundred thousand dollars a year over thirty five years. It's millions and millions of dollars for veterans and for kids, you know, horses and stuff. And I met Brad Paisley on so there's Brad like where you are and we're talking and I don't remember why Paisley and I continued on, but we became friends.

Brad and I became friends. And as a result, I've appeared on so many of his videos and I tell you something that you don't know, and he's sung on many of my albums. What you don't remember because people are intimidated by you, I am a little less so because we've been around each other long time. I asked you, listen, I asked you. I asked you because it's true. I asked you. Would you be in a video with bread past? He said, nod, Pa, I don't know. So I invited

you on the show with Brad. I've never told you this with Brad there you met him on the show, and I asked you live on the show. Then if you do the videos, of course, of course, of course I'll do the video because you fell in love with Brad been to have two videos later, one of which Jason directed, one Taylor Swift Right, Jason, we were together and I remember very you showed up that day. You were so act. Well. I'm continuing to direct and we'll talk.

I have work for you, but you mentioned two things. I want to and there really is for me and I want to get to the bottom. So you talked about the horse chair. Wait a minute, will you work for me what I have worked for you? Don't worry what are you talking about. I'm producing and directing things. If they come to fruition. You're a made man. You are solid, you are my You're my Luca Brazzi and or that got them laughing. The mob is what he laughs.

But if my question talked about the horse charity, what here's my first question with you in the horses. You're you're a nice Jewish boy from Canada. What's with you in the horses? How did you? How did it come to be horses? Is it all animals for you or is it something unique about horses that speaks to you.

I think having bred a lot of dogs and a lot of horses and seeing characteristics like you know that famous experiment uh in Russia where they took several silver wild silver foxes from the wild from the nature and they put him in a cage and domestic tried to domesticate them. Then took out of their litters the most friendly and they did about forty generation tooks about twenty years.

At the end of twenty years after they were breeding for characteristics which were gentleness and and and environmentally you know, a pleasant being, not biting. I guess ultimate they had foxes in the wild don't don't bark. They they they they have a sharp cry. The foxes turned from silver to brown and white, started barking. They started wagging their tail, where foxes don't wag the time they became dogs in

forty generations about twenty years. Horses can send along through their DNA characteristics that you breed for speed or domesticity or whatever the characters within the a person's lifetime. You can breed characteristics that's got to apply in human beings. So I think that human beings have in their DNA

characteristics that were part of the background. I think that on the steps of Russia, at Poland and Lithuania, my background is filled with people who loved horses, and so although growing up in Canada, I had nothing to do with horses except once got on a horse and galloped around, and I was perfectly at home. It took until middle age before the whole idea of horses and breeding and riding and competing came to me. Then, as a result of that and this theory I have of the of

the universe taking care of me. And that's the really the theme of my book Boldly Go, which is out there now, is that you saw you work, If you if you are aware, if you're whether it's prayer or contemplation or just being aware of you and the universe, the universe seems to take care of you. And that's what's happened to me. I think the universe has taken care of me through all the can you would you understand if I used the word because or I sure

that happened to me? Over translate the word, translate the word for people who don't know, cause a ry means cause or I okay, very good, very good, nicely done. This is what you did on my password or whatever where you end up throwing your chair? Did you throw a chair on password because you gave away the password accidentally. Did that really happen? Everything really had? Let me ask you a question. I asked the question about horses I got. Let me ask be ready for this to answer you

a question kind of here. Listen, listen, listen, So Blue Argent, Blue Argin. We didn't interview you right after because we didn't have this thing launched yet, and I wanted to watch your reaction to a lot of people. And I was moved by you, knowing you you were genuinely moved. But I got to ask you this. Jason and I are talking about this and we say, and I don't mean this to be indelicate, but we're there contingency plans.

Do they talk to you because something could go wrong once that thing launches, if somebody not necessarily has a heart attack on launch, as Jason says to me yesterday, you can't pull over? What can't pull they do they have a defibrillator? What do they do they have? Or are you stuck if something goes wrong? So there's a countdown. First of all, we all remember the the Zeppelin, the thing that burned in New Jersey, Hindenburg. So the Hindenburg burned.

You know what burned in the Hinderburg. It was well the day the gas exploded, right, what was the gas hydrogen? Helium? Hydrogen? Yeah, yeah, hydrogen burned. Do you know what they're putting in the tank of the hydrogen. I'm sitting there on my back thinking, geez, hydrogen and the countdown stair and before the countdown, and

they've got a gantry up against it. You know, you go through the gantry into the celebant flights up so again in lie down and then they closed the door and then a voice, the moderator of the guy's voice of all right, now, if anybody wants to leave, they should leave now because we're removing the gantry. If anybody wants to leave, leave now. What are they talking about? Why would you want to leave? You? I can think

about a furlough list. So did they give you a contingency if it takes off and somebody has a heart attack on the way up, or somebody gets sick? Is there a doctor on the crew? Is there anybody if something? Oh? Man, you're you're dead, floating, You're dead and floating you're you're yes, you're floating. Wow, did they bring it ubably did they Presumably, the g's going up and the GE's coming down will bring you back to life, because they're so oh really

not really elocious. Wow, that's what they tell you. Do you believe it? No? I didn't either. Don't any sense will revive you? And then you had a very different experience from what I what I would have end anticipated you if I understood the statement you made correctly. It was an awesome experience, but you wound up having a kind of a depression response to it. Is that correct? I've been you know what Rachel Carson is? Yeah, I know, sure, you know. She wrote a book Silent Spring, many many

years ago. I read it was completely influenced by She anticipated global warming by sixty years. So I've been an ecologist, so to speak, for sixty years. I've made ecological films. I've gone around many parts of the world making a show that has long gone now called The Voice of Gaya. I think m Guya being the goddess of the of the Earth and looking at the spots that were crumbling

even thirty years ago. So I'm very much aware of the approaching tsuna of terrible things that you and I in our advanced age will avoid because we'll die before it happens. But that grandchild you referred to a moment ago is in deep okay because of what's what we're anticipating going to happen. Even if we were to start now getting the carbon out of the Earth, it's too late for a lot of things and not to happen.

I'm so much aware of that, And I'm so much aware of the intricate, extraordinary, magical, unbelievable connection between us and the and this thing we call Earth, everything everything. But but you, you you can't even imagine. I mean, what I just learned the other day missed from the Brazilian forests the moisture. Because the sun lifts in a cloud,

it now becomes a mist. It's so high, it's high enough that it becomes a cloud that is taken by the currents of air towards the Andes Mountains, thousands of miles away. It hits the Andes Mountains, it falls as rain. The rain loosens, diatoms from the granite which now enters the rivers becomes algae, which is alive. That makes that

transition flows out of those rivers. All the big rivers the Brazilian rivers and into the ocean and becomes part of life already, just inert things from the Andes, from the Brazilian rainforest. I mean, everything is connected, and we're destroying them. And that's what I saw in that moment of this little rock that hit you up? Did it hit you up there? Did it? It's it's it's it's spirits.

And people have mentioned it's called the overview effect, and a lot of astronauts have said that, whatever did it happen when you were up there? Did it? The sadness already begin when you look down and you're in account. I got off the excited Yeah, we were all excited. Oh we made it. And the door opens and get they give us a hand getting stuffy down. I get a handstack, you know, standing out, and I start to

cry and I don't know why I am weeping. I don't know whether that's ever happened to you're you're crying for some emotional venue. What the hell am I? Why am I crying? And I'm crying so I can't stop. And it takes me an hour two or three sitting by myself saying, oh my god, I'm in grief. What am I? Oh, my Lord, I've seen the earth and I've seen it in all its glory, the way it should be and the way I saw what it's going to be. And I was in this sadness, this grief

over the death of the earth. So in another note, so far it's invigorating because anybody child is this is the upper segment. Anybody enhancing or insurance on you before you go, they have to get permission. Who I can imagine me come into my family. By the way, Bill doesn't say no too much. You've done paintball, You've hunted um Kodiak bear, which you said you regretted, You've done

poker tours. You I don't know that. You say no with a bone arrow with a bone undone amazing stuff that nobody else you say, yes, they're just about everything. Do you have to run the largest paintball at that time? Five thousand people with charity? Five thousand people in a paintball game? Yeah? Can you imagine? And how do you amass? In Gary, Indiana, they have one hundred and seventy five acre paintball thing with all kinds of different environments. They've

got villages, they've got out of Bill Rex. They got Temple, they got all kinds of things, and you go and play fifteen hundred people the face of Temple playing the face of Temple, that's Temple, and you think, oh Lord, don't assue me. Uh can I tell you a story about that? Who's gonna find who would stop those shotting from telling us? So there's three teams that looks very good. But it looks very good to tell us what jam? Yeah?

What could be back hosting jam? It's my believable. Well, there's three teams of over fifteen hundred people to team. I'm on one, A manufacturer of paintball guns is in another, and I've forgotten I think, um, I've forgotten who the third one is. So you break every so often. Since there's fifteen hundred people, they call breaks for a hundred people go have lunch. So I'm standing in line with lunch with with the Elizabeth, my wife, and I hear crying behind me somebody. I turn around and it's a

guy with a paintball pistol. And I'm supposed to assassinate you and I can't because I love you. I love you, mister, I said, what do you mean? Assassinator? Said, well, what's his name? Makes the guns? Shoot him and I'll give you a gun. Shoot him on the lunch line. On the lunch line a lot of a minute. Here's what I want to do. I explain what I want to do, and I take him out into this broidery that where

paintballs are flying back and forth. Old, I surrender, and I've got the gun on the guy, the paintball gun. And why did I may get it? And there's a you get the most points if you can kill the captain of that team in his premises, sir, here we go. I've marched this kid, and I said, I'll get you the gun. Don't worry, I'll get you the gun. I marched this kid into the fort where the guy who makes the guns is captain. He sees me and I go oh, and I fake oh a heart attack. Look

at this fall to the ground. He comes up to me. I've got three paintballs in my hand. I slammed them into him. I got him. I take the gun. I put the gun on the kid, I said, now marched me back. So the kid had ostensibly had nothing to do with it. He gets his gun. I win the thing, and the guy is out and he never knew it until I told a lesson we weren't here is don't ever trust or turn your back on William Shotner so Blue Origin. Did you increase the insurance, but increase the

insurance every day? Did you found out later the kids went, yeah, we just figured we'd do it. Or and did you have to run it the children? You have a wife. Did anybody come to you and say, don't you doing this? What are you doing? Made? We made a documentary of my going up there once got very popular, and part of the documentary was they shot footage here at my home where my three girls and my wife are saying, you can't go, And I said, I'm going see but

you could die. No, I won't die, But Bill, you could? You could? You did? You could know? But it's way up there. I mean the explosions, a thing on fire. There could be a fire in there, remember that fire. Now, all those astronauts dot, no, I'm gonna go. The Bill you can't go, and they're trying to convince me not to go. They really meant it too, not they meant it now. Do you still stay in touch with with Bezos?

Did he call you at home? If you don't get a guy who's Amazon, does he call your homes you don't get a package in time? Can you pick up the phone and call his cell and say, Bill, Jeff, I ordered something. It was supposed to be here by three. I had a guy, a well known guy. I won't tell you his name, say to me, and I won't even tell you the amount of money, But the amount of money they offered me was incredible. Billions of dollars.

Bill Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, he just said billions of billions of dollars, millions of dollion, millions of dollars. If I would go to Jeff Bezos and see if he would buy this this thing that he was selling. Oh, did you do it? No? And that thing is Amazon. Bill didn't do it, not for the guy he went and sold it. You know that the smart idea? Did you ever did you think about? You know? This reminds me of that somebody did a great joke.

I can't remember who it was. Maybe it was Robert Klein about Neil Armstrong had to be the classiest man ever because he goes to the moon, he steps on the moon and he says, one small step for man one giant lead from mankind. He said, you know, somebody must have come to him and said, I'll give you You'll be made for life if you step on the moon and say Coca cola? Right? Did you? Did anybody

approach you to make a statement, like an endorsement or anything. People, all kinds of people, um came to me and said, if you'll take us up there. You know, there was a land, a prestigious thing if something went into space. So there were a number of people who said, if you take this into space, it becomes that much more valuable. The way people can't see this, who are just listening to your ordiver. Bill's doing a country. So he's texting somebody around to take another job. Bill, we will get

seven jobs while we're when you want there. I'm sorry, but I think he's doing. He's selling, he's buying. He's I was expecting, Bill, when you went to space, I'm going to open the gate when you went to space, I actually expected to. I expected you to wear a jumpsuit that had patches like a NASCAR driver, chewing tobacco, a preparation h your latest book, your latest TV show, A twenty million dollars flight preparation age. I just came to me, that's all. Why not do you think Bell?

I have a question for you because I just saw you on the phone, and actually so I follow you on social media and I and I love doing that, but you do something that I really want to ask you about it, and that is you get people that take you on on social media. There haters, trolls, whatever you want to call them. But unlike most celebrities, I see you right back to them and sometimes really them do they know? I understand? But you you, you are you are fearless about that. You really well, what are

they gonna say? I hate you? Yeah? I know you bills for your list about a lot of stuff. Can I ask you this? Or one of the people works with this said, you know what? Ask Bill? What's it like being Bill Shiner? You've been You've been visible for sixty five years? You know, you're donnderstand My mother looked at me when I was born. I was visible then. But you go after the day, how do people? I mean, there's the there's a Star Trek in Santos, there's the

Denny Crane. People. You've been doing this for so long, You're so visible how how what's that like being you and going to the CBS to get a prescription and doing your day. It's a little h hazardous. Do people? I mean, are you allow? Are you generally I get an injection as quickly as possible? Are you? Do you feel like you can move through the world like a normal person? Can you go to the movies? Can you go to a restaurant? Can you go to the dry cleaners?

Can you run an errand and have a not without being uncomfortable? On the other hand, mostly as people say, you know, friendly high, but I'm somewhat I don't even know what the right word would be. It's like coughing when you it's not something you want to do, but you have to do it. Yeah, yeah, but everybody. It's like with Jason, you know what, it's weird. You go with certain people and three people out of ten can recognize and know who they are with him because of

Seinfeld and what he's done. It's ten out of ten. Same with you. We go anywhere I watch from my POV everyone it begins, the ripple goes through and oh my god, And you mean so much to so many people in so many different ways. But that must be insane that everyone knows you when you go out. Well, both of you have both of you been to my house. You have, Yeah, so you know. I've got this giant screen which I just had enhanced about two weeks ago.

In fact, that that Bell was the guy who fixed the screen on the sound a couple of weeks ago, is working on another part of the house on another screen. So I've got eleven foot television screen. And I haven't had Monday Foot Monday on football because of all the stuff. But yeah, but I will as soon as we can, uh, and everything settles down, so I don't have to go somewhere. I can play movies. By the way, one of the great tragedies of my life is that the Academy is

sending out screener uh, electronic movies, not blue yeah, blue thing. Yeah. But you can do that. You can do that. I can't get on it. You have an it guy, you have. All I have to do is connect to your laptop, you download the movie, and you can project it to that screen. Trust me, it's easy to do. Yeah, your tech your tech guy could do And by the way, man mentioned Monday fundy football because this is something else

you don't know, and Jason means it. He it means a whole lot to him that he got to meet you, got to know you, that you were in our sitcom together. But Jason won't said to me, you know, Bill invites me to Monday in football. You tell it. Well, I actually heard you say something on online and I went, oh, I gotta call Bill. You were you were so funny, you were so great. You you were reviewing people who do imitations of you, and you were giving feedback on

how good the invitation was. And I was included in that list. And you said something about, yeah, you know I used to come to the house and I invited. I mean, it doesn't come anymore. I don't know what happened. And I I gotta call Bill because the problem was, it's not you, this is this is me. This is my problem. The first thing is I'm not a sports guy. I don't care about football. So I was coming to

be with you. And what happens to me when I get in a room with people that I admire that I'm not yet truly truly close with, I always go they don't want me here, They didn't really want me here. I didn't I didn't. I didn't. I feel very small, and I feel I diminished myself, and I project a kind of you know, they're just doing it to be now. I make all kinds of excuses in my head. And so for me, I stopped coming because I went, he

doesn't you know and need me. I'm just the you know, he's just being sweet and you know, and I tell you something, Jason. And I don't know whether this is common, because you see these pictures of how suave these actors look, and they they they flow through lines and interviews, and they look so good in their clothes, and their hair is so good, and and the women they're with, they're glamorous. And and I go to those things. When I go on the rare kiche. Now that I go, I'm thinking,

what am I doing here? I don't know anybody. I don't feel comfortable. I stand by myself. You know, I really don't know anybody. And so I don't go to these events. And they say, all right, we've got we've got this event. We want to we want to make you the citizen of the the century of I don't know. I don't they're just doing it for publicity. I'm not gonna go turn it down. I tell you one I did pick up though that I'm going to go to. Yeah, that's not far away. The next several weeks the California

Music Hall of Fame. They're entering me into the California Music Hall of Fame. Is that that blows everybody's mind. I think you've done how many? How many albums have you done? Now? How many albums you've done? Five? Five albums? I think more. I think seven or eight. All right, now, I got to ask you a question. I've got two coming. I've got two I'm not out there now, called Bill, which is available right now. Songs that that I and h and Robert Cherno wrote and then I performed at

Kennedy's Center at a extraordinary moment in my life. I don't know that we have the time to talk with you from and we don't want to. We don't want to lose money. Yeah, oh my god, it's a job. I have to go. If you just send him money, it just says a million bucks pick it up. But wait, soles Less, I worked for less than that. Now. But here's what I want to know. I seriously want to know about this because you are I just want to finish this. But it's about it's about your music. Ahead.

I entertained at at the Music Center at the Kennedy Music at the Opera and to a seventy piece orchestra and the songs that that Cherno and I wrote, and it was an incredible success. Uh. It was like the farthest thing from the first album I had, which was mocked to performing at the leading cultural center in the

United States. Wow, to applause, that they wouldn't let me off the stage, and that whole arc of design that I keep talking about the the universe looking after me, that I had a major singing musical and not singing musical success that's going to come out as a documentary and as an album live. That thee is going to

be unbelievable. I don't doubt it. But now here's my question for you, because again, you know, I adore you, and I everything you've done I think I'm aware of, and I have many of your albums, and I actually appreciate the artistry on those albums, I really really do. I also have Leonard Mooy's albums where he sang and you know, not a great singer, you have a fantastic speaking voice. Why I've never asked you this? Why have you never chosen to actually sing on your albums? I can't.

It's not this a man who says I can do anything. You went into space. That's nothing to do with Let's let's what's your claim about why you, Jason Jason can sing? And why do you think you can't let me ask you about singing? Yeah? You do? You do you harden your glottis? Do you do you go? Do you do you do a number on your back of your voice? I know, I don't know how to describe it. I don't know what you I know what you're talking about.

I have studied many different techniques and approaches to singing over the years, only because I was a Broadway singer. So my natural voice was fine. If I only had to get up and sing at a party, no problem. But to keep a healthy voice for eight performances a week that required training. So I know what you're talking about. And there are some theories about, yes, manipulating the glottis in a certain way, But why do you feel you cannot sing? You're not tone deaf? Well, I'm I'm as

against to have an absolute pitch. I have relative pitch. I had relative pitch. I studied singing for a while and then they're the dint of work and all I gave it up, and I really, I really, you know how kids walk around. My mother should have made me take piano. Yeah, I should have gone. I should have

taken voice lessons. I had about six months and I started to get relative pitch and stay on key, and then I just I gave it because I was busy, and even auditioned for a Broadway musical way way back, and and the producer was very kind, saying, that's very nice, and sure we would benefit from having you there, but you know we need a singer. So I never I never sustained a note. But my my admiration for talent goes always goes to singers, especially trained singers. Can we

hear you? I got hear you. Can you sing a line of anything? I don't know what? I don't know? Oh say, can you see? I'm that's fantastic. But you know what I would do? You know what I would do and what I've done? Yea? Oh say, can you see by the dawn's early light? Sure? Proud of we had at the twilight. Do the best. She won't do it? Do it? Do it without right now here? You? Oh say, can you see by the dawn's early light? No, no, no, it sucked. I got into it in your hand because

of how good I do. I got into college. I auditioned. I didn't know that you were a friend of his. You worked when you were a very young man. You worked. You did some Shakespeare up in Canada with a gentleman. Shakespeare was in Shakespeare exactly, and you were in that company with a gentleman named William Lacey. Bill Lacey, who went on to become the speech teacher for actors at Boston University. And he was the guy I auditioned for.

I had to do the opening monologue from Equist. I knew nothing about acting, So I did you, which is with one particular horse, the doctor. Yeah, with one particular host called Nugget. He embraces the animals. I don't want to, I don't want well, let me tell you. I did the hole monologue. I did the monologue, and Bill Lacy said to me, you know, I have no idea if you can act or not. But that's the finest Bill Shatner imitation I've ever heard, and he let me into

the lee. Let's clear up. Can can we like a lightning round? Although nothing's like but wait, I want to ask you about the case. It's about this. I got ahead, go ahead. So the phrasing on on the on the National Act would be, oh say can you see by the dog's early light? What's so proud? That's sure phrasing. See the difference, Jason the pro right. You don't do a good shatter. We do imitations. We were not that you have what makes you the legitim sez he sees

you're acting. We're only doing a parody of it. So that's my question. So a couple, there's been a lot of info about you that's erroneous. Whatever Broadway world of Susie Wong audience doesn't come from the intermission A lot of them. That's how you developed the cadence to is that true or false? Well, that has a certain amount of truth to it. I didn't know people were talking about that, but that's true. We got there were seven newspapers on this Broadway show that I started, and seven

newspapers said it's the worst show they've ever seen. It should close now. But we hadn't an advanced sale of three months. I mean all the leading lights of Broadway had been working on it, so we had to run three months. During that three month period, I took fifteen minutes out of the running time and instead of saying O, say can you see it by the Dons early letter, isaic can you see by the Dons early light? And it became a comedy and we ran for two years.

Wow did you okay? On Broadway stage? Do you punch a guy out? Say that? Did you punch your guard to punch the gut? On Broadway? It was another actor who was touching you, were punching you as part of the show, and you know it wasn't part of the show ahead. That's why I punched up on stage. He was a former Olympic swimmer from Australia. Okay, he's got one, he's got one. He's got a smallish part, he's got a big brief. He's the feature player. But he's got one line that gets a laugh. So when he got

a laugh, he'd clap me on the shoulder acceptably. Which wasn't there opening night. Okay, So if it's not there opening night, the show is supposed to be frozen. At opening night, you don't do anymore. You don't bring the glass any close through, you don't bring it for the further. It's frozen because if you move the glass of water here next night, the second night, and the third night, and the fourth night. By the end of the first week, there's a glass of water is way over there, which

now is awkward because it spoils the timing. So you got to freeze the show so you don't hit somebody in the shoulder after opening night. So he yet to hit me on the shoulder lightly if he got the laugh, but if he didn't get to laugh. And there's a former Olympic swimmer, he collapped me and I got One day, I said to him, you know, whatever his name was, this scene is becoming. Whether I get hit on the shoulder and I wins because it hurts or not. I

began to anticipate and dread this very moment. You gotta stop hitting me, he said, Oh, And the next night he hit me even harder. So then I went to the stage manager and I said to the stage manager, you know, Stonzo is hitting me and it wasn't there over night. Can you talk to him about not hitting me. So the stage man then went to the director, Um, what's his name? We did Picnic and Broadway the great Uh Google look it up. No, no, the other one. Oh,

come on, Joshua Logan. Joshua Logan. Okay. So I went to Joshua Logan, the director. I said, josh he's hitting me on the shoulder. Can you okay? He goes. I went to the union. Okay, so people of weeks are going to all these authority figures. I say to him, listen, if you hit me one more time, I'm got to hit you back either really really, oh really okay, and he hits me. He collaborate. I go following. I punched him back on stage, whereupon this curtain comes down and

now he rushes at me. He's gonna kill me. He's an Olympic swimmer. He takes a swing at me. I duck and he hits a prop man in the chest, giving him what did they wonderful football player get heart? Oh no and think three three, you know the heart pumping. The next night, the producer, the great producer with the mustache, David so Jay Ray Roy Merrick read what was his name? David Merrick? Producer is this like one of the great

Broadway contingent for that show. So David Merrick comes in and he says, yeah, here, you're having good trouble and we're gonna you know, the stage doors, the stage rooms where the actors go are little cubicles made of cement, and they got a door that swings close, so it's a fire thing. All the doors are propped open by a little wedge, so the doors are open unless you kick the wedge out, and the door is closed if

you're getting dressed. So that guy comes into my room while David America is there, and he kicks the wedge out and the door slams shut, and now three of us are locked in a cubicle twelve by twelve. It was then I realized were all animals, because I was looking at his throat and I thought, what I'm going to do is I'm going to leap upon him and tear his throat out with my teeth. That's really what I thought. And meanwhile, what's the face of trying to make wow? Let me just say wow wow wow, right

wow wows headlines. Listen, We're not going to keep you much along. I want to ask you a question, I'm just getting warmed up. Well, we have people, We have the people to talk to people. First of all, I want to one of the reasons we one of the big reasons that we really went, really know really about you, is that at age ninety one, you are doing ninety two excuse me, march very good. You seemingly do more honestly, between the charities and the and the professional work and

the first side projects. What can you can you speak to that at all, this this vitality, this juada vive, this curiosity that you maintain. You know, many many people when they get to that kind of a ripe old age, they start to lean back, They settle back, they're less curious, they're less leaned back because because you don't, you're not as strong. My shoulders are really painful. You're not as strong as you were, and your stamina isn't the same.

But here's the thought, guys, here's the basics of everything for me, and that is when we were I've got a great grandson is approaching three. I see him wandering around him. Why look up with that? And that's what again, whids gonna look up that we get And he's like everything is new to him. The texture of banana is new to him. Why did he look at this man that until you're around seven or eight, is the inner child, That curious inner child is in all of us, that

curious child. That child is in all of us, vulnerable, hurt, having left your mother's teeth, having to get on the bus to school, having to leave home. Everything has hurt you as a kid. And you're trying to tell your child, Hey, you gotta get on the bus to school because you got to get an educate. Well, I don't want to go, I don't want to leave your money. You gotta get on tearing, the tearing of a child. So everything is hurtful. So there's this hurt child that is curious in all

of us. The more you can keep that alive, the more you can keep that child vulnerable and curious, the more open you are to life. Everything is a is a is an adventure. Everything coming on your show through these two wonderful guys who who joined forces like like two great rivers coming down into being the Missus Stippy. You guys are the Missus Zippi. Why but you know what, the reason, the reason that you're so amazing too is

like I grew up in a house. We're in so many houses, and I didn't realize it till later on Can I do this? No? Can? I'm I was in no dead. My default was no. And somebody pointed out out to me one day and I went, why do I default? I think it was parental or fear from my parents that I got it. You're not a nope. The big thing about you curus Yes, but you say yes to everything? When were you when to death? What

was the you say yes to everything? I don't mean you get on the bridge and they says I jump yes and you jump no. But stuff that other people would say yes to, opportunity, say yes to life, say yes to coming on your show. You. I love you, two guys. I'm wondering what you're doing really or really here I am and Bill let me ask it not to get more of it at all. I'm really curious death. You do feel? I was going to say, do you bring that same curiosity about Here's here's what a way

I go about life. I don't know whether you've gotten to that point yet. You two guys, you get up and think, oh God, either oh wow. I feel I'm not going to die to day I feel good? Or oh is the shows? I wonder? I wonder if I'm dying, because you don't know what it is like to die. Maybe you're dying. Maybe you're dying and you don't know it until you die. You holy, I died. You told me years ago. I said, why do you do so much?

And you said, because I'm scared I'm not going to be able to I want to get it all in. I want to get I'm rushing around trying to do things. Yeah, by the way, just a little thing to take this back to the toilet. You don't know that you and Jason have a similar Broadway experience. You wait, wait, wait, you pooped your pants on a Broadway stage on an opening night, Jason, Jason came this clarely averting his pants on exactly tell me how you were a bird. I

honestly don't know how I avoided it. But I was doing a Neil Simon play. And when I walked on stage and act one, I was going to be there for an hour and change. And I walked on what I was going to be on stage for over an hour the minute I set foot on the stage. And on this one night, the minute I got on that stage, I went, oh my god, I'm in deep trouble. I'm in deep trouble. And I'm thinking so like like you, I'm jumping lines, I'm moving as fast as I can.

And but here's that in our show. The set was a house, a full house. So there's a bathroom. It's behind a muslin wall. Was an operating bathroom. No, but it had a toilet. And I'm thinking, am I there? Am I going to go into that bathroom and release from the bathroom? And right? Could you imagine? And so I held on. I don't know how I held on. And when the minute that curtain came down an intermission, I ran into the stars dressing room and let go

a crime scene that hit it. It was just but but I barely barely barely was And and and then I was I was in a show, yeah, the one man show. And I've been sick the night before. In fact, doctor Oz and the other doctors popular on CBS were my doctors. Oh my gosh, and you know there was I was dehydrated. They were giving me, uh those drinks And and then I get to the theater and I've been holding the porcelain throne all day long. And now I'm in the theater.

It's opening night, Broadway, opening night, one man show, and I've had every orifice going. And then I get in front of the audience and I'm doing my thing and it's going well, and suddenly boom boom boom, and I said, there's been a technical difficult shower. Oh my god, it was, and you came back on you finished, came back and said technical eliminated. Bless you well, Bill, Hey, is it true you can't do the all consalute? Is that true?

Your trouble? That's true? Well I can do it. And I say, Bill Shantner, live long and prosecut I listen. I'll take live long now. I have. As you know, I have adored you from the time I was eight years old. You have been meaningful in my life and so many other lives that you know about and don't know about. You're You're an amazing human being, and I am so happy to have major acquaintance and call you a friend. I'm so glad to be talking to my

two dear friends. And UH look forward to seeing you soon. AFO. You were wonderful, You're wonderful. Keep out of keep being a curious and happy upcoming birthday. Thank you? All right, you're well jeez, oh man, you're still here. Yeah, of course I don't. He doesn't have to be anywhere. Bio. Is it true that Johnny car Wait is truly Johnny Carson banned you from the tonight trip? Was that true? I don't think he banned me. I don't remember him banning me. But I was in the middle of you know,

what do you do on the on a talk show? Right? How do you what do you do with Johnny Carson? So you tell a joke or they So I thought, I've had this incredible day. I'll tell him my incredible day, so I said. So I got up, and I did, and I get to about eight o'clock in the morning. He interrupts me, Oh my god, this is what you should know about Bill. He is every any area you asked me. He's the most well read person I know, the most well traveled person I know. He doesn't just

have dogs. He raised his dog. Were having a Monday night football one night, and he has a Doberman. The sigh is a pony, and he says, remember what he says to me. He says, this dog is the best. He's my love. Don't be worried about He's the best trained dog you've ever seen. He'll sit here till I come back after so we go watch mondayn football. We come back. He has eating the entire door frame like a wood chipper, and he's like, he ate the entire doorframe.

And it's like what's coming out of his butt is like sawdus sawdust chips. It's unbelievable. Best dog. Only wish that had come out of mind. Oh my god, what a beautiful dog, What a beautiful But Bill is that passionate about that dog? That dog great has gone, has gone to dog heaven. But we've got two more here. We love to eat carpets, so we have his wonderful carpets and they've been in That is embarrassing. You're that passionate about them. You're that passionate about food. You're that

passionate again going to dinner. Yeah, we're done, waiter, bring three more. Thing. He just he just takes over it. Just you become part of Duel's thing. And that's what's the most beautiful thing about you. That's how he made admiral. You're an amazing you go. You know which is more which is more annoying tonights or George Takai? To which which is more annoying tonightis or George Takai? If you had to pick which one neither? You don't even want to talk about George that well, No, that guy he's

really ill. I mean, I don't know him. I haven't seen him in decades since the roast he was on the show. He'd come in for a day a week or you know, somebody told me he was in fifty days out of the three years we were we were shooting. Wow. Yeah, I mean, but he was negligible as far as my world was conserved. He was peripheral guy that I would see occasionally. But since then, in sixty years, since then, I've seen him three or four times, you know, and

I don't know him. And he continues to Dennick rate, Man, I don't know why. He's a very ill and should we get it? Would you ever do a reproach? Monk is that's how before you go that you want to patch up or you don't care there's nothing to patch up. I don't know. Okay, Well, I'm just asking he's he does this thing for publicity. He's got a show opening up in home and he's publicizing his show. I'm sure

he'll he'll answer to this, he'll critique this. Yeah, you're right, well, Bill, see, but it doesn't bother you the way it bothers me. If I know one person out there doesn't like me, I can't sleep. But no, well it bothers me. But what am I going to do about it? You know? Yeah? Remember him? You remember him at your roast on Comedy Central, Roach Jason, Remember the roast. I used a piece of film on him on the One Man Show. I used

a piece of film on him. Uh, he had. I came in on a horse and my roast, Right, So I come in on the horse and he's got the line they wrote for him and the horse you rode in on. Yeah, it's a funny line. He read it, and the horse you're growed in on? Funny. He really

meant said I saw you right after the rose. If I may say, I was in your trailer waiting laugh that I was waiting for you in the trailer and you walked in and you said to me on a heat doing your impersonaltion, you said, I knew he didn't like me, but I didn't know he didn't like me that much because he went it was like it was like, oh my gosh, you're ferocious. I mean, it's spewed out of this. That whole night for me was I was

so flattered you asked me to be your rosmaster. But I remember walking into the into the sound stage with you for it, and I said to you as we were walking over Bill, why why exactly are you doing this? And you said, you don't think this is gonna be fun? And I said, I think there are people up there that really are looking to hurt you. And I said, and you went, no, no, no, no, And then you came back after I went, boy, he really didn't like me very much. Lend I asked Lendard to be on

he's I'm not going up there. Oh it's brutal. It's brutal. But I had fun. I don't. You did have fun, even laughing at the kind of thing you had. You thought it was all hilarious. I think it was funny. And then I think that what I remember is they wrote for me some great lines in response. Yeah, I had a great uh time going back. You were great, You look wonderful. Stay healthy. We'll have lunch altogether. And I love you, love you very much, thank your mouth man,

thank you carey well Bill, bye bye. Well what do I say? You know the thing from that? And that sounded like we were just having a casual conversation with a friend, right, And I'm sitting here, I am shaking in my boots going, I I am still that eight year old child going, I know that. You know, it's funny. People don't know. We did a TV show called Bob Patterson and we brought in Bill to play Jason's nemesis, and I thinking it would be the greatest thing to

have him on stage filming with his eye. And Jason was off put every scene, every scene. And there was a scene where we had Bill Shatner kiss you right and you he had emitted his mouth and ended up in your mouth, end up in your mouth, and I remember you after going it looked like you've been kissed

by your your idol. Right, he is he is. I'll tell you what a lot of people talk about Bill, getting to know him for as long as we have and worked with him as many times that he is really he doesn't suffer fool as gladly um, all the things of him being miserable or if people tick him off, and honestly, you know, I brought up the thing about how he treats people online that have been um rude to him, you know, just inappropriate, and he you know, he doesn't just block him. He goes, he responds, and

I go, why Wow. So the things I didn't get to ask him were true or false? The vocal solute we did. He once did comedy stand up. He thought it'd be funny to do it as Captain Kirk and then it would be bland and he got killed killed doing it. Um um. He did throw a chair across the stage of twenty thousand dollars Pyramid because he got ticked off. He treat trick or treated wearing a Bill

Shottner mask, which is the Halloween Halloween mask. He had his own DVD subscription service for sci fi that would be curated by him. It didn't go so well. Um, but I also wanted to I also wanted to ask him if it was true that he sold a kidney stone. Oh he didn't know, he didn't, but it was charity. But it was for charity, and we didn't get a lot of stories about him and Nimoy, that they're not friends. I only saw them being closed the one night I

saw them at his house. He described it that he's got a giant screen and there are chairs when you go to a movie night and I walked in and you don't take pictures, you don't do anything because it's it's about friend Chap and it's low key. But the three chairs are Shatner, Nimoy, Patrick Stewart watching a big screen. Yeah, he killed me, and that if I walk in that room, I do, I do poop. I don't make it to the thing. And as we go, let me just say that,

Jason said, I don't. I don't go him one football because I know he doesn't want me there. You go, even knowing he doesn't want you there. Yeah, you're you're cavil. I was anxious, So I'm going to leave you with a really for the day. I found this out a little really and see what you think. So this was a little bit of anxiety for me because I'm saying it has been proven when men have anxiety, it doesn't manifest in like nervous ticks or worry. It manifests as anger,

muscle aches, and alcohol use. And I know you've gone through this whole thing with a migraine today, and I'm just wondering. Anxiety, Yeah, anxious about something. It's funny, I don't. I don't view build the same way you do. I love Bill, yeah, but I know I wasn't the biggest star Trek Final, wasn't. I just love him as a

person is because he's just hilarious and smart whatever. But I think there's anxiety about still anxiety about I just want to do good by you, by him, you know what I mean, because he'll he'll hitch you at ninety one. He doesn't like the thing you say. He'll and I got to tell you it's got to be genius because we've got to launch. She'll hug me, and he feels the muscular he's looking. Honestly, the people that were able to watch us as opposed to just hear us, there's

not a line on his face. All right, let's go. I gotta go with the bands. Really, really, I really got to go. And you know what we didn't do with him? Laurie producer, Larie producer, Larie producer, Come in here, because you've already gone gone. Question producer Laurie's rescuing face. You did something wrong? What happened with the really no really Shottner is really no? Really did you ask him to have one prepared? Did we forget that you didn't

didn't do it? We'd say you're fired, except that we have no We have no one else. We have David and I can't I can't fire, we can't fire anybody yet. We actually he's giving us Ashley, our publicity and social media person, giving us the thumbs up. I said him, I go, what did we do that you would give? What if we just me? We didn't even get an introduction out the man started talking. We didn't even you knew that was going to happen with Bill. Bill. I was shocked. I was shocked that we got as much

as we got with Bill. And I said to Jason before today, I said, you know what, be prepared because he goes. But if you be prepared, you can't be prepared. But you know what for that? But that's what makes Bill shot Bill Shotner. And that's why Johnny Carson pandom because it was like, shut up, it's my shot. But it's also he takes you, he takes he's the avent by the throat. He's passionate about the interview. He's passionate

about what he's eating. He's passionate up. But you should have seen him if you can't see it, eating his toast and jam, it looks the best thing he's ever eat right right, you go out to sushi with I mean he goes like this. He's having a kind of a throw up meal. He's having a throw up Neil and Teaston jam. He can't force you to do they Okay, google heeim? What did we what did we um? What did we bark out that you're gonna look up? Do

you remember? Oh? We had it. We had a lot. Okay, so go ahead and clarify David g by the way, Guggenheim. When I now look for all the emails of yours, I actually put him Googleheim because we've named him Googleheim, because the master. He's the guy who's supposed to say this is what you wanted to know. Uh, you forgot the disclaimer you should have said allegedly because you'll be so so what do we do? Yeah? Well, number one, mister Shatner has released eleven eleven albums. Eleven albums. I

could I could go through them. You know what, his face is bigg enough this way. It doesn't have to be bigger. It's enough. It's enough. I think I think it's bigger. Yeah, I want to wait, get it out of the way, David. David said, bigger, stay behind, do this already, you can get it out of the way of water. Don't say anything. This is three ds is in his contract. We have to be quiet, do the full faced Hi mom, go ahead, go ahead, say hi mom,

Hi mom. Oh very nice, he wanted, in a clear shout out, So go ahead, and so had the We had the Yiddish word we needed to oh yeah, um yeah, which is junk, isn't it. It's a Yiddish word obviously, food That is awful, junk, trash, anything disgusting. You've been lamsome so if they give you drunk, it's hawser Okay, that's good, Dave, good, go on. He also did the celebrity paintball Mobster Mash with six hundred and sixty people at the age of seventy three in two thousand and four.

Man he mentioned Jason's direct choral um work that of course include uh many many, including Mike and Molly Franklin and Bash till death, Criminal minds, everybody hits Chris? Is this your bo is your credits? What are we giving your credits for it? I don't care. It's about this well that idea, he said. And I directed Bill Shattner in in Brad Paisley Cooler online video which also Taylor Swist, introduced Taylor Swift and for which I won a Country Music Award. I want a country music Did you get

that Country Music Award? No? You didn't. Did you get it? It was who put you in the video? It said best director? Who best director? What did you win for best video? Best Video Video? And you got the You got the award. How wouldn't you have known the country music world unless I brought you into that? Boy, Pete, you know what. This happens all the time. People forget what you do. You learn them money, they start a big company. H done Shatter forgot that. I introduced him.

He turned down Brad Paisley's video, and so I got him in studio where he was with Brad face to face and he couldn't say no, now it's still it's Brad And I loved him. No you didn't. That's not how it started started, Well, I remember you introduced me to Brad. He showed me the song. I came up with the whole script. Why did I introduce you? Get an award? I introduced you to put an award for

an introduction. Best introd came up with what the video was to get you see here we got rewriting history was all You're right, the whole it's a narrative, you know, as we go out of this episode. Really no, really, let's just get this clear. This was your idea. The whole staff is your idea. That was your idea. Drive safely, everybody, this was your idea. I'm not taking credit for this. No, you're waiting until it's successful. Good Night everybody, everybody. It's

not even night, but good night. I'm done. I'm done with you. Really no, really now really now, really wow. I want to thank our good friend Bill Shatner. What an amazing person. If you'd like to troll Bill on social media, go to Instagram or Twitter at William Shatner. His website, of course, is William Shatner dot com and you should check out the charity horse Show It's a horse show dot org. An amazing human being amazing individual who does more at his age than any human being

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