Jesse Tyler Ferguson - Modern Family Issues

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Now, really Hello, and welcome to Really Know Really with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who asked you and your entire Modern Family to please subscribe. And speaking of Modern Family, today we meet actor, author, philanthropist, restaurant tour activist, and star of Modern Family Jesse Tyler Ferguson. He reveals why he had to come out as gay to his dad three different times, and whether straight actors should be cast

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Of all the things that you have claimed that I am good, bad at dude, don't do this is.

The first one where you're right.

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You've called me, You've you've ragged me on my driving. I'm I'm a perfectly lovely driver. I don't know where you pull that up to get me as being a bad driver.

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We're like family, all right.

So our guest, our guest right now is Jesse Tyler Ferguson. You know from Modern.

I knew Jesse Tyler Ferguson when he was a pup back in his theater days.

Well he still has. So let's talk about this for a second. He's doing a lot of a lot of theater, a lot of Broadway, minor family. We know him from eleven years.

Eleven years and Emmy, oh wait wait.

Wait stop, you know something. You have to step on everything, you know what. We prepare things and then you ruin them. That.

I didn't see that in the email. So let's bringing. Don't don't mention, so let's not.

Let's bring. So let's start with that. You guys have a lot in common. Hello Jesse, Hello Peter, Nice to see yourself. Here's the deal. Let's open with this.

Yeah, you have a lot in comment so much, both in the.

Producers, both both Tony Award winners, Yes, and both nine years playing a role, eleven years playing a role, and now ever got an Emmy for that role.

You were nominated though, right, I was nominated many times?

How many times? Seven more than me? Five?

Right?

And you must really suck?

So I suck, but you must really, I really do.

Here's here's here's the talk. Here's the talk. The Emmy voters every year for eleven years went still not buying him. Jason, Jason, George Costanza. You know what I just if he just.

Yeah, he's good, he's good.

But David Hyde Peers, boy, you nemphasis I had you know who? I lost you every time either and I totally get it. Yeah, either David Pears or Michael Richards.

Yeah you know I lost. I lost my stars. I lost to Eric.

Twice twice and then Tony Hale, who I also adore once, so you know, I can't complain.

And we're always in the first category up. So then you sit there, I haven't changed. God give me a kind bar or or a night.

Did you work yourself up? Like eleven years every time did you go? It's got just by the math the mass alone.

It is only one year where I thought I had a shot. The other years I really thought I was lucky to be nominated, truly. And then the last time I was nominated was that the season where I got married, and I just I I The episode I submitted was one of the wedding we had episode two, part wedding episode, and it just had a lot of there was a

And how how long do you have to act like you are thrilled for him? Is it the day? Two days a week? How long you have to go congratulations against it? Like New Year's Like Larry David says, after January fourth, you can stop saying having New Year. When do you say thy it's enough already?

I thought I said it immediately, immediately high enough is enough while he was up there doing his acceptance speech, So enough time.

Obviously I was thrilled from but you know, it's it is.

It was one of those things like remember I think as Amy Poehler after like her eighth nomination for Parks and Recreation, she was.

Like, oh, okay, I get it. I see what's happening here, jokes on me.

Ahaha, That's kind of what I was starting to feel.

Like, did Cort Nelson almost get Did he turn down the other on your room?

He did?

Really, that's a real thing first, really know? Really? Is that you guys between you, I love to do the accumulatively twenty years and no, Emmy, that's nomination. That's amazing. Although I have.

An Emmy, I'm sorry, that doesn't matter.

I read it in Wikipedia, which means it has to be true that you kind of gravitated to the idea of acting when you were eight.

Around that age, I was a little I was twelve or thirty.

Yeah, but when you were fantasizing about, hey, if this works, I will be a what was it?

Was it theater? Did you think the whole.

That we have so much in common? Jason?

Actually, you've been on my mind a lot recently, and apart for many reasons, but one of the reasons is because I went and saw that fabulous production.

Merrily we Roll Along.

It's on Broadway right now, and I just think about you every time I hear that music, and you know that you are such a you know, part of part of an iconic show like that, and obviously they had a very turbulent past, and but I just love that you were part of its history. And then also just that you your roots are in the theater, and that's like I could I know that's where your love is.

Yeah. No, I mean it's almost we're getting there.

We're getting really close. But yeah, theater was always my first love.

So yeah, here's here's the question.

It's a weird question, and I don't want it to sound like I'm not grateful or anything like that, but did you when you were up for the Emmys? Did it was it important to.

You to win it?

I want to I'm going to say no, but I'm also going to I'm going to say that I was disappointed not to win it. Yeah, but when the first time I was nominated for an Emmy, I really was so shocked that I was being recognized because I was in this ensemble of six brilliant adults, and also the kids were so fantastic. I knew Eric would be recognized.

But it was always a Tony.

That's exactly all I when I'm asked about this. Yeah, and so now I'm going to ask you the follow up questions. Yeah, I won my Tony when I was twenty nine, and I thought I had very Robin you bet you. I thought I had really realistic dreams about, oh maybe when i'm forty, I'll get to Broadway and maybe i'm sixty, I'll play some great role and I'll be nominated for Tony. And then at twenty nine it hits me and I again, I don't want to lead the witness.

You win the Tony. Did it meet your expectations?

I'm going to say yes, only because I did a lot of theater before that, and I did some roles that I felt like were Tony nominational worthy?

Right, But I was, I had been.

I don't want to say ignore because everyone that was nominated was obviously very worthy about there was some disappointment there, and so when I was nominated, just being able to

It's so interesting I hear and understand everything you just said. And you know, my experience was. I was young enough that I kept thinking, well, when I win the Tony Award, I will be someone, or my life will achieve something, or I'll be a I will have gotten to the there that I dream about. And I remember same thing going, I can't believe I'm here. I can't believe this is happening. Tommy Toon gave me the award. He hugged me, his

And twenty messages was a lot.

I mean, the normal day is three four messages, but it wasn't a hundred.

It was twenty.

Yeah.

And I went to bed that night, and my wife, who knows how much I love the show Pippen, says to me, how do you feel? And I went I thought there'd be more plumes, and it was a lead great lesson about it's not the destination, it's the journey and yes, and that's why when when I start, when I started getting nominated for Emmy's, I.

Thought, well, that's a lark.

I never even thought i'd be on TV.

Yeah, you know, and sure you get there and you go, well, this would be cool. I guess you wanted, but it was never I never had that sort of crushing Oh geez, I should or why not me?

Or you know, I think if you're starting to feel that you're you're obviously for the wrong reason. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure we can always be disappointed, but like, think about how many people are on television and just you were one of five or six showsen to be honored by just the nominat.

Oh wait, let me ask you about that. You guys decided we're all going to be supporting actress. They got together and said, nobody's going to be the breakout. We're going to do this because you're a thompl Seinfeldt also shared those guys would say, like, I know, Jason would say to Juliet, you know, I think this line's funnier for you than me. It was very much that.

Yeah, I mean that was the you know, to the extent that I can explain Why are ensemble became an ensemble was very early on when the show was struggling and we thought, let's just get some good tape for our next audition. We couldn't help but enjoy with each other we're doing. And there were instances where, you know, George would have a bit and I'd say, wouldn't this

When it comes to that.

It was just there were so many Well it.

Was a big cast, yeah, I had just I had done a show a few seasons previous where it was also a big cast. You know, the character is kind of got lost, and so when I was part of a big cast again, I was like, oh, I've been through down this road before, but for some reason, the writers were so good about for some reason, that's what the Emmy Awards. But like they they they were so great about like really carving out moments and really clarifying who these people were a very efficient amount of time.

Absolutely.

Yeah, as a stupid question, sure, who were you all talking?

Yeah, the documentary the car where's is the guy going on?

You can do so storytelling and really trunk.

There was an early version of the show where the documentarian was actually a character and it was a a Nix change student that had stayed with the Pritchetts when they when he was young, like a Dutch exchange student, and so he came back and he was doing a documentary about this family that he used to live with when he was a kid, and so they had actually honored that character as well, so he was part of

Of us know.

Good.

But also in the first.

Season we really were like, okay, well if this is a documentary crew and we're coming in from outside and we're going inside, and then like season three, you know, we'll like you know, come home from picking up groceries and like open our door and there's already a cruise us like we've you know, we lost that device.

Because I'm such a linear thinker, the minute they cut the documentary character, I'd go, why are we doing?

Well?

He would be doing So they're in the bedroom, so they went into the bedroom really and the guy guy sitting.

Here scenes in the the night like wake up a dream or something. I'm like, why is the camera over you?

Over you guys on the ceiling?

Okay, I just we just want to know that this isn't really no, really, in Iran they took your sitcom. They took the gay characters and made them heterosexual. Right, But they do basically a word by words shooting of modern family. Can China really know? Really they have shows and in Russia they have It's always Sonny in Moscow, So I'm wondering either a couple of things and I

Seen We took the office and the pilot of the office. The American office is exactly the same as the British.

But these are there are countries that hate us, that are taking our cultural families and putting them on. So there must be something resonating.

I'm just gonna be I'm going to give you a little life lesson because you haven't been in as much of the world as I have.

When you say a country, hey, the country doesn't.

Understood, I'm just saying people you know, but that's the governments might not do understand. But the fact that they understand to talk then, but like in Russia to allow that and Iran to allow that and openly.

Iran Mitchell and camera bay Ruse and Elham.

Yeah, a husband and wife, so what do you think and you are to have children because Bayrus is infertile.

Yeah, you know, different problems.

So I want to because you have been a huge gay right to advocate, especially when we were advocating for marriage. So I just want to get your feeling in this, and this is the way I'm gonna I have two questions about it, and then I just want to see where you go. I have two friends that are directors that are gay, and you know, there's a lot of in all of our unions, a lot of focus now on diversity and inclusion and all this stuff. Gay is

Because apparently all the boxes have been checked, so it's China.

I mean, okay, here are my thoughts. I think it's great because that means that there's been progress. And I think that like the fact that you know, the Modern Family started, this gay couple was a really revolutionary thing, but.

I think so, yeah, and on at least on network television.

And and you know, the fact that by the time this show was ending, we weren't so revolutionary, I think is actually really great. And you know, there was a time when I feel like you know that it was there was a great stigma around being openly gay and trying to find work in this business. And I still think that that actually exists. I'm not gonna save art. We're completely free from that but I do think that there are other there are other groups that we need

I mean M J.

Rod Rigers was nominated for an Emmy.

Because she's fantastistic and you know, so, I think there's a laziness around trying to find people in these communities that can you know, be part of the work that that they live. So I'm I'm fine saying like we're good for right now, let's like put that energy that you were putting on us on university.

Yeah, I'm are you as as a character like a gay man? And do you get judged by the community, Like do you get a hate mail that says you're doing this and it says and you're going, wait, what do you mean? Well?

I don't get hate mail, but I do I do feel like, you know, I I I think there's a pressure of representing an entire community and I'm representing one person in that community. It's like if you know in mitchellin cam you know, first of all, almost every character

But I wondering because I thought, that's that's a responsibility, an added level of responsibility of how am I coming off not only to comedy to the ensemble, but to an entire well.

I mean, Oprah made me feel really good because I heard her say one time that she sometimes feels like she's representing the entire black community. I was like, well, if she feels that way, then I certainly am okay feeling that I can feel. I feel like I can't represent the entire gay community, right.

I have played at least one notably overtly out gay flamboyant character in the movie of Love Alur Compassion Lane's Yes, So I prefaced that with your partner on Modern Family, Eric was as a straight man playing a gay character.

I thought he was wonderful.

So at the Academy, I think the entire audience thought he was wonderful. If he were cast as that today, I think there would be a lot more noise because there is an outcry for authenticity in casting. And I know I've had many conversations with friends about you know, how that extrapolates out and plays out. I remember Neil Patrick Harris saying, well, I hear that, and I respect that. But by the same token, I've done an awful I've made an awful lot of money.

So does this cut both ways?

Do you have any particular feelings about the specificity of straight actors playing gay or how this also like, you know, my friend Brian Cranston got some flak for playing a disabled character.

Because he's not you know, where are you on all that stuff?

It's all about for me, it's about.

Where are you on all that stuff?

It's all about for me, it's about representation and it's about opportunity.

So I tend to agree with Neil on this.

You know, as actors, I think we all want to be able to play all different types of roles. If you're telling me I can only play gay roles, I think that's that's even worse than like the opposite, like saying, like, you know, gay men currently represent other gay men. I've had this conversation with Eric Stonestry too. He and I both feel if we were casting Modern Family today, he

That's more.

Then there was some gay actors who were wonderful, but I didn't have chemistry with them. And I didn't know if Eric was gay straight, Like I mean, he came in like you saw him what he does, damn, Like that's what I saw.

So I was like, I don't know, maybe he's gay.

I don't know.

And then when I met him for coffee, you know, after we both got cast, is like, oh, you're obviously straight, but like the chemistry was there, and that's what I cared about I was like, we want the best shop for the show.

So that's that.

But when I'm but when I talk about representation and opportunity, I just feel like when there was a point where I think a lot of these roles were being written and there wasn't great opportunity for the people who represent who are who live these roles to even audition for for some of these parts. You know, there's I thought, I'm thinking back to that that role of a there's a trans character that that Scarlett Johansson decided to back away from. I don't I don't know the ins and

Said okay, let's get Scarlett Johnson to do this like the talent.

But then again, because it's monetary, I know that Scarlett Mhanson's name above the credit is going to get people to watch, so they're they're torn.

I'm but you know what well, I mean, like Hillary Swank, she had done like one show and then obviously we put her in Boys Don't Cry, and like that's you know, that might be a bad example. She's not queer, but like, you know, there's so many people who we've discovered Barbara streisand okay, let's go there. Like, I mean, no one really knew who she was when you know, they were casting Funny Girl. They had a list of huge stars who would have sold that film. But like she played

I mean, well, man, it's monetarily driven. So I got to ask you the storyline. You probably talked about this, but I just want to know how it happened. They used your life story that you came out to your father three separate times, right, I try to get my head around how did he after the first time being the father, how did you have to do it? The second time? Was he like, Okay, I think I heard it, I say, he said, did he say? I mean, how

Wasn't that funny? Me and my dad both laugh about it. Now He's like, I get it now, believe me, I get it.

I mean.

The thing is I didn't advertly come out to him the first time. I was caught stealing some materials from a bookstore that suggested I might be of interest, and so I was caught with that, and so like he saw the nature of the materials I had stolen, so I for me, I felt like, well, there you go, like I don't need to come out now, like that's it.

And then and then later.

My mom and I finally had a discussion about I think after I moved to college, and I think, you know, I kind of officially or she said, I know you're gay, and like she was, she was having a hard time with it as well. You have to also understand this is a time we're still in the AIDS epidemic, and like, you know, there's a danger and an assumption that you know, if if you're if you're gay, you're gonna and especially

He's like, mother. So I just feel like those were the three shot.

Oh okay, you know I didn't I don't think i've verbally ever said like I'm gay, and he's like, I didn't hear it, but like, you.

Know, okay, I I had to know how I had to break it down for yeah, yeah, because it's not like, ah, did you say that and then totally totally ignoring that.

And I did feel that way to feel like, you know, stealing a gay pornography magazine is pretty much as clear as you can get.

It's such a stupid question the way I'm gonna ask it. But you're living a version of modern Family. Yeah, you know, you and Justin and you have two chicks now.

And how how how is that? How is life?

It's in the Modern Family. It's fantastic. It's it's not as well written, not as funny. Uh longer, it feels longer. Uh, it's so interest because people had always ask me, I, do you feel like you're ready for fatherhood having done it on television? But you know, and I, uh, I don't know. I just feel like it was always something I knew I wanted to do. I knew I wanted to be a father and and we're having a really a great time doing it.

You played in in a Broadway show where you played forty characters. I don't understand that at all. I've seen him play a number of characters. How do you keep straight forty?

I played ten of them? Well, okay, the other thirty were like kind of iffy?

Is that accurate?

I don't know. It's it's a play called fully Committed. Do you know the play Jason?

I do.

I saw Jason groddu Oh yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's it's about a reservationist at a very very fancy restaurant, and the play is about the preservationist and he's been left alone with the lines all day. His co worker has not shut up to work, and so you watch him sort of like work through this hectic day and he plays obviously himself, but then also the people on the other end of the line. So all these different people trying to get reservations, the chef, the hostess. You know, he plays all these characters. It's all done through phone

Wow.

By the way, Jason Grat told me the funniest interaction with the audience story happened to him on that show that he's playing it out here in a mid size theater. Yeah, a huge theater, so he's well aware of yeah yeah, and he's doing a matina and he goes it's a dead house.

It's just oh and nothing is worse that house. It's like trying to surf in a lake.

So a phone goes off in the audience. That's the first thing is you go, huh God, and now he hears this is what he hears. And I'll do it in real time. Imagine you're doing the show and you hear.

Hello, I can't talk to you right now.

I'm watching a play.

How he didn't leap off the stage and killed this person before we.

Go because we gotta wrap. I gotta ask you something, okay, cocaine, barry your plate in theater. Now, two things about this. First of all, tell you tell your story. You told about somebody saw you in it in common well.

So the first of all, Cocaine bears as a ridiculous premise of ridiculous movie. It's it's a lot of fun. If you want something serious, just steer away. But the trailer itself got a lot of buzz when it came out because everyone's like, what the hell is is this a real movie? Like people thought it was something that that the Onion created. It's about a barrow on cocaine.

The titles based on a truth thing where cocaine out of there.

Is a real situation where all this cocaine from the cartel was lost in the woods and a found it and made it and then went into cardiac arrest and died.

But in our version.

Got it the exact before the right.

So the trailer came out and it was, you know, this very buzzy thing, and I tend to think that the trailer actually got more attention than the movie itself. But there was all these think pieces on the trailer, and like people were dissecting it. And I remember reading this one that was like cocaine Bear has everything. Eighties fauns and Carrie Russell, Margot Martindale is a is a park ranger. Jesse Tyler Ferguson in a fat suit. I wasn't wearing a fat suit. You in the middle of

So In the trailer, you can see Jesse, a young kid is up a tree to avoid the band. Yeah, and Jesse climbs the tree also very hot. Yes, were you really that high in the tree. It was very high. It was extremely high. I was, I was on wires and they had a stunt double for me. But I was really wanted to do the sense myself. And I, you know, because it's like, when am I going to do this?

I don't.

I'm not.

I don't get to do stuff like that scale building.

I'm scared of heights.

I am too, but I was like.

I'm going to do it.

Let me tell you what they when I was up there in rehearsal, because I had a whole de of rehearsal.

First, I'm all the way up in this tree.

I'm very very high up, Like if I fell, I would be dead for sure. They start putting down mattresses at the bottom of the tree, and it was like that actually makes me more nervous.

That makes me more nervous.

Because that means like something could go wrong, and I know that mattress is not gonna save my life. If I bought this tree, I'm going to bounce off that and hit that other rock that I see right there, cover the rock. Like I really was like, please don't put the mattresses, Please just don't let me fall. Let's just I had a harness.

It was a tied to something, so if you fell, you're hanging there.

And I don't know all the details, but I was told I was very safe. I didn't feel unsafe. I felt very taken care of.

And then the big question, the most important, cal Swift still in TOUCHI were in her video.

We created her by the way, do you know that we put her in the breath, put her in her first video ever?

You know not?

I think she was going to do good. Regardless, I don't.

Think wepening for him in the twenty thousand Seed arena.

I think you're very lucky that.

You got his video. Jason got hired to direct. She was a backup singer and she was an open She was the opener, but we put in a video where she was the Jason director, where she was the backups.

Yeah, she was foteen at that time. God, I love her. I just I really admire her so much. I just went and saw her errors tour. Yeah, I mean, does she do you go backstage after I have before gone backstage after her concert, but with the airs, she was on stage for three and a half hours. I don't think she Yeah, yeah, she paid on first, so I needed. I'm tired now I can't, I can't stay any longer.

I got.

She made a billion, one billion dollars on that. Good for you, Yeah, for her, amazing, the fact that she's man good. But for her, I remember she was thirteen. She convinced she was good enough that she convinced her parents to move out from Pennsylvania to National for a publishing contract. Yeah. And even as a little gir because I was doing country music at that time. Yeah, yes, mister, so she was on it, just on it. But to have a career this long, yeah, and not waiver.

And she reinvents herself and her family.

I mean her dad, you know, still is like at all her shows and came into the Hello to me and brought me some of her guitar pecks to get to my kids, Like you know there.

That he gave you guitar. That's it, guitar guitar.

And actually some swag I got I gotta tell And the concert people are waiting in line for like ten hours to get swag.

So you know he saved me.

What I tell you what I love and admire about her aside of the talent, and I do love her talent. I'm a fan, but man, she at any given moment, she's the biggest star in the world. She can't blow her nose without it making national news. And under that microscope, I think she has managed to live an honest, agreed, and and rather extraordinary life of of real service.

She's always for my money.

She's always speaking out about the right things, standing up for the right things.

I think she's extraordiny.

Two of her background and backup singers are are friends of mine, and they have nothing but the kindest things to say about her. They all it's a family unit. That that entire tour is such a family unit. She does so much, so many good things for them, and she gave him all these crazy bonuses when the guitar pics.

Okay, and thank you for being with the show. I will tell you everything now.

That now that we've been here, can we be best friends?

I love that.

I would love that too.

Can you invite us? I know I'm not a star, but I'll tag along to one of your your your podcasts?

Can we pick?

I can never afford would be great watching him interview Good Jesse on your podcast. When we eat together? Break bread?

All right? David.

We just spent a lovely time with Jesse Tyler Ferguson, and I don't know, is there anything we didn't find out anything We don't know.

No, you got very comprehensive.

Thank you very.

There was one thing about Jesse Tyler Ferguson that I just didn't quite under like, why the Tyler?

Because there was a Jesse Ferguson.

In the Union, right, So who are the other Jesse Ferguson's out there? So I wanted to play a little game called Jesse or not Jesse. These are Jesse's that don't have the Tyler? And are they real or.

Did I just make them up? Okay, they're not necessarily just actors.

These are Jesse's.

They could be They're they're Jesse Ferguson.

I do not understand.

I tell you right now, Frailer fit real effect.

This.

Jesse Ferguson is a retired heavyweight boxer who is best known for beating the then undisputed heavyweight champion of.

The World, Buster Douglan.

True or false? True?

He does exist. I think that's how you play.

No no chills, Okay, go.

Ahead, almost get you Jesse Tickler Ferguson is an American drag performer who is known for celebrating and fabulolizing classic Jesse Tyler Ferguson characters.

Such as Mitchell Pritchett, Marvin from High School, Musical Ugly, Betty's Doctor, Gabe Parcas, and of course the fan favorite Francis's True.

Would work so hard, it wouldn't work so hard.

And also you would be, you would be. You don't want to step on drag performance.

So also, do you think David is going to take all the time to make up all that true?

False?

Yeah, sh Along Jesse Ferguson.

It's the real life cowboy who inspired the classic nineteen fifties Western character Sure pop Along Cassidy, known for his clean cut appearances, sasparola, drinking, and of course, his pension for never shooting first.

So it should have been hop Along first. I don't know, I don't know.

I don't think this, I don't care, I don't think so false false, that is false.

That is I'm doing.

I can feel the love.

I'm only gonna.

I can feel people tuning out like Drew knocking eat over again.

People love a good game.

I'll play all right, doesn't exist, so I jumped a gun go ahead.

Known as the Bard of Cornwall.

This Jesse Ferguson is a Canadian and writes folks song.

Yes, I believe it absolutely, if you could read my mind, that's that's one hundred dollars.

That was lovely.

And strong.

Do you know, by the way, do you know that Jesse? Honestly?

I mean he does musicals, A lovely singer. Really again, big Broadway store?

Right, yeah, there's no right, yeah, David, thank you.

Maybe next week we'll play people named David hop along.

Here's one. Here's one. Earl Ferguson will be calling you later to say, don't do that again or false. Thank you, David, thank you, Laurie, thank you, Jesse, Jason and Jesse Jesse Tyler Ferguson.

Now, really, really, that's another episode of really, no really comes to a close. You may be wondering other than Jason and Jesse won other big stars never won a Primetime Emmy Award that Outstanding List in a moment. But first, let's thank our guest, Jesse Tyler Ferguson. You can follow Jesse at his website Jesse Tyler Ferguson dot com.

On Instagram, TikTok, and threads.

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Well, other than Jason and Jesse.

This glorious list of losers includes e Ers, George Klooney, Girls creator and star, Lena Dumms, star Trek, the Next Generation's Captain, Sir Patrick Stewart, Game of Thrones, Kalisi, Emelia Clark, Ozarks, Jason Batedon, House of Guards, First Lady Robin Wright, Both Matts, LeBlanc and Perry of Friends Killing Eves, Sandra Oh and some of the Biggest Losers SNL's Christian Wig with nine Losses, Hugh Laurie of House with ten Losses, House of Lies,

And most Beloved Loser, Star of Murder.

She wrote, the Late and Great Angela Lansberry, who lost a grand total of eighteen Emmy Awards. They may not have statues, but they have our hearts. Really No, Really is a production of iHeartRadio and Blase Entertainment