Dear John....RHONJ Recap with Meghan McCain

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On another episode of Reality with the King, I am joined by my good friend.

She's one of my favorite blondes.

She's also the host of this amazing podcast called Citizen McCain that is available on Apples, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast.

I'm talking about the girl we are.

Miss Seek on daytime television, right, drov give it off with my good friend Meghan McCain.

Well, Carlos, thank you so much. But you're the king of podcasting. And every time you come on my show, which is probably more often than you like, because we always ask you, everybody loves it and we get a spike in listeners because you're so popular and everybody loves you, and even like I have so many friends who listen to you and follow you and just think you're the best. And you always pop up on like Juicy Scoop and all these places I also consume. So it's really my honor.

No, we do have the same interest, and that's why you know, we get a lot. We've been friends for a couple of years.

He Look, you know, all you have to do is ask me to come in a podcasts.

I would do it in a heartbeat. We have we have so much fun.

And the beauty of you, Meghan is a fact that listen, the world sees you as this political commentator. You obviously know your shit when it comes to politics, but baby, my girl knows her shit when it comes to reality television. And we have to get into the state of the House of Boston, New Jersey. So have you mean keep it up with the show this season?

Well, I didn't watch last night's episode, which I should have knowing that I was coming on with you, But I just I was so bored with the episode before I told you on my podcast, the baseball episode, and like, look, I think it's nice to Lauries is doing charity work. I think all those things are wonderful. I just have

Damn.

I find her so boring. So boring.

Ladies jeltimate and they now you see why Being Megan are good friends because Jesus, it's like that US Weekly of.

That segment because it's in print.

But remember how US weeklys to have celebrities, they're just like us. Yes, so like Ray drops Megan, she's just like us.

She she she says how she feels, and she means what she says.

So you think Margaret Josephs is boring, tell me why Megan.

It's like gives me nothing, Like she's just kind of like going along to get along. I don't really think she has any storyline in her in her like life right now that I'm I'm I like attached to or responding to. And I just think there's like a lot of people on the show that are like filler, Like they're like filling time, but they're not really giving me

No, it's not because for a good omelet you need the right amount of cheet you need mazzralla.

Is it chatter right?

You need some green peppers or is it red pepper? Do you need black pepper or do you need like asian? You need the right mix. And I do agree with you in terms of like there's some people on the cast that are redeemable, but then you have some to wear. It's like this dark cloud that is hovering over the show. And it used to be something to where you understood the complexities of the family dynamics, which which made Jerseys

But Honey, nowadays it's sort.

Of like literally the Godfather, you know, it's good Fellas of the show. It's it's sort of like somebody has a target on their back, somebody's being marked, somebody's a rat. It's like did freaking like Martin Square Sacy like direct.

This season because it's giving.

Mob wives teas and that's not what used to be enjoyable about the show because listen the old days of Jersey, because I did seasons one and two and I remember it was sort of like this call to action to like give this franchise something new and different, and Bravo, who's one of the best in the business. They were so brilliant in terms of like, let's kind of like poke fun at this a little bit by making it a family show, but kind of like.

The Godfather too, and right, and we all thought we.

All thought Caroline Manzo was sort of like the Godmother, you.

Know, and even though she speaks, it's like a little lower and.

Yes, it was sort of like your thin is the you know, who is this badass? And she was weirdly enough the voice of reason. And I think, what's happening this season? And I'll get into this recent episode. I cannot wait to update you, honeyway happened?

Okay, but I feel bad I didn't watch.

I'm sorry, You're got It's better you didn't because I get to get your natural reaction. So no, it's something better. There's no voice of reason there. There isn't a voice of reason, and I think that's what's missing. And I think that's what's needed. And when you learned that the reunion was canceled, I know what message did that send for you as a viewer.

Look, reunions from my understanding, which again you would know this is better than me. But they get paid a lot to do it. It's like a big paycheck for them.

You get paid three two to three episode old in total for that one day.

Yeah, so it's a lot of money.

Yea.

Yeah. And it's also like I really look forward to the reunions, like I normally like when there's a big reunion for a big show out, like I'll be like, make Ben take the girls so I can just like sit and watch in quiet and focus on it. I love reunions. He hates them, by the way. He's like, I'll never watch another reunion. I made him watch them during COVID. I'll never forget. But I just feel like having it canceled altogether, to me, sounds like reboot. It

What about you, Yeah, now, listen it's honey.

What is so interesting about all of this is the fact that we all said last season that something has to give.

We all called out for it, we.

Tweeted about it, we talk about it on each other respective podcast. It was something that was so obvious that this show cannot move forward with Melissa and Teresa being the same on the same show, especially when it was so obvious that this is the worst it's been and they're not going to talk to each other. And spoiler alert, Megan, you may not know this or you may know this, they do not speak to each other at all this season. Like finale, they do not say a word to each other.

I just on a side note, I'm in so much trouble for talking shit with you on my last podcast. It's like all over the internet, even like my friends who don't pay attention to stuff are like, why are you fighting with Jalo, And I'm like.

I'm not.

I just talked too much. As Carlos. I was like, I feel like I'm just talking shooting this ship with you, my son. Thousands of people are gonna listen. Oh wait, sorry, I mean, look, you're.

Talking more, man, I mean, what's wrong with that?

Oh no, but I feel bad now. I feel like I can probably ruined Jlo's date. I mean to or you know, maybe.

I have said that on our podcast.

Guys, if you haven't listened, go to Citnis in McCaine and then listen to the episode.

I like to make sure people get the full story.

You even said on our episode, though, Maggot, I don't want it to appear that I'm like yeah.

But that being said, I think Jlo she could use some new, a new PR person. I do think like she could use a younger person help, or just a someone with a fresh vision of her career working with her right now.

Do you think, Well, you were on the Watch What Happens Live recently with Melissa Gorgo?

How was your experience with Melissa?

Because the thing is this, I've never met Melissa in person. How is Melissa Gorgo like our audience really wants to know, like give us the tea, Sister.

I've actually been on Watch What Happens Live with her more than once. She was Actually when I was on Watch Happens Live before the pandemic hit, she was like the person like that. The live show I did was with her as well, so it was funny. I haven't gone on in person since the pandemic, so I have to say, first of all, she is speaking of j Lo. I told her, you look like j Lo to me, like, she's just there's not a blemish on that woman's body. She's forty five, because she told me, And she's just,

She's gorgeous. Yes.

In fact, this is so funny. I'll tell you this. I put pictures on my Instagram up afterward, and my brother who is in the army and is deployed right now, who like hardly ever checks his phone and never messages me. They can only do it like at certain times. And he texted me and he goes who it said, she's so hot, and I told him Melissa. I went back because she demed her and I was like, just FYI, you made my brother's day.

I love that for Melissa. So on the podcast, I call her Melissa Lopez. So this is good. This is good.

She does look like they really do look like they could be sisters or something. But she's lovely. I mean, she's been beyond nice to me, like a very pleasant like kind like when I met her before, I had the same experience. She's really I really like her. I think she's really nice and really I had a very pleasant experience with her, not like because I said j Low, she's lovely, Like we didn't talk about anything like really

Now that's good.

No. I know people who know her too, and they all have said she's very nice. And listen, I have said in nausea, I'm on this show. I think she's a very, very beautiful woman. And she's a great mom. Yes, she's a really great mom, and she did a good job raising her children. So again, I think she's fantastic. What has happened in this season, though, Megan, is the fact that Jackie Goldschneider.

Is she's back. By the way, did you think she was boring?

You know? I again, I like these women seem nice. Yeah, I don't want to always and there's not against Melissa, but like I like crazy, you know, I like drama, Like I like eccentric people in life and on television, and Jackie seems like a girl. I'd go, like, you know whatever, have lunch with and like we go shopping and that's great. But I like a little bit of like a psycho bitch TV. And I'm really na gidding

She was on before, Well that was the thing so obviously when she was on the show full time because she's a friend of you know now, it was like Jackie versus Teresa. What's been happening this season though, Megan is Jackie and Teresa are friends, and Jackie, who used to be like close friends with Melissa and Margaret, she's sort of distancing herself away from that collective, and Melissa has caught her out recently saying this is on the show last week saying that why are you defending Teresa?

What you're doing.

You're trying to take me backwards. Me and Teresa have moved on. I see what you're doing. I'm not falling for it. So it did appear to be this sort of like alliance that was forming with the show. Now it appears that Jackie is team Teresa and team Jennifer Aiden.

A lot of people have said that.

Jackie is doing this because she's trying to make herself relevant by doing the total opposite of what's expected of her in order to have staying power on the show.

I agree with that, I think, and I think it's just her behavior switching. It's almost sometimes like reality stars when they're demoted, because I think like Countess Luanne was a friend of for she was. Yeah, Like there's definitely when you're demoted a friend of like sometimes you know, you're trying to get back on with the airtime and trying to like be a big look you and I know better than anybody like that red light and camera and being on TV is like it's heroin to some people.

You know what's so interesting is because I've always compared the View to the Real Housewives, right.

I think, I think, yes, And you need villains.

For the people at the bag.

You need a foil Oh my god, kiss, Someone responded relate to like villains on Housewives. I'm always like, get up, break, somebody's gonna do it.

Someone please Meghan Rosie Elizabeth Hasselback be pleased.

I mean, is that too much for a girl to ask for? I agree with you.

I've always said the View to me was like the Real Housewives in the sense, uh you had what we call the the archetype, the girl next door, Sarah Haynes Roy you know the book smart person. In this case, that would be Sunny Houston. And then at one point I was Starr Jones, you sort of and then.

You have your Queen Bee.

You know, it was Rosie one point Mayor de Vieira now woo be Goberg.

And then you had your bill it Meggan.

McKay, Elizabeth Assa back and again Rosie o'donald. So what was interesting is what I love about you because again I'm going someplace with this rain drop, so keep up.

Is I'm making a point here.

When a housewife either leaves the show or gets demoted, there is this sort of thirst of I missed the cameras, I missed the I missed the action.

I want to get involved in it more.

Even when they quit, they still have this this need to like get back there. What I appreciate about you is the moment you quit the view, you weren't thirsty to get back on TV, because I remember talking to you and You're like, I got so many offers for me and ban your husband to do a show. And I remember telling you, Megan, I would watch that like every fucking day, like that's my morning, Joe, Like you give me that girl.

I would watch it.

I still want us to do that, like to do like a and I like Joe and Meek. I'm friends with them on Morning Joe, but like they want us to do like the conservative version of that. And let me tell you, like An and Night's politics don't align completely and be like it would my marriage. I went roun my marriage because both of us are like workhorses, and I would be like we would fight so much, and then I have a hard time disconnecting and not

I just like, like not hav anywear makeup, So I just don't want.

To do it anymore.

Crack me up.

One thing I will say is we all miss the hairstyles you have fun with doing COVID.

Hey, Carmen my amazing hair stylist by the way, who still does my hair today and she does my makeup too. She does both. She is like a true genius, like Diamond in the Rough hair in DC, and she's like the most creative person I ever worked with. And people gave her shit for working with me, and she never cared, which is really like, I applaud her that she never she has never cared at all, which is really nice.

No, we love you, we love you, we love you. So what advice would you give? Because the thing is this what's happening on reality TV, especially as we're seeing with Jersey. Jackie liked you like you said, she seems so sweet. I kind of agree with you too, Like listen, I like Jackie a lot, But it does appear this switch and alliance is to get airtime, and a lot of people like Vicky Galveston, who is desperately trying to

You know. It's it's interesting because for me, like I had to go really radio silent for a long time where I was just like not really talking to anybody like in like and I just been like in media circles because I was like, I just need time to myself. This sounds very dramatic, but when my dad ran for president and lost, he went to Sedona and then was like, you know, made us all be like grateful for the experience and grateful that even had you know, he's one

That is so fascinating.

It really is, because it brings me to John Fuda, who I think is addicted.

That man speaking of addiction.

On television, John Fiuda, I like you save.

Me the mean tweets. I'm teasing, no but all josephs igh.

The alleged biggest truck dealer, wasn't it Burgen County?

I think is hilarious by the way they were like.

He just put like sold pot once or something. I don't know, it's.

No see so SnO. So that's what he said.

Okay, so this past episode backet John and his wife Rachel.

They have a double date with Teresa and Louis.

Okay, okay, Teresa, get this honey. To Teresa's credit, she apologized. She said, look, if you thought what I called you the biggest drug dealer in Bergen County that I was talking about currently, I'm sorry. I wasn't talking about currently. I was talking which is a which is kind of a back end compliment.

I was not talking about currently.

I was talking about things I was told that happened in the past, right, And he said.

I interrupted about Teresa. I always feel like she's apologizing, but she shows shade row shade, remember, and she was like, you didn't call me, she didn't call you a raccoon face. She was talking about Kathy. Yeah. Where He's like, that's not.

You're apologizing, Shane.

Is someone else? This is like old school.

And she called Kathy, I'm sorry, honey, it's Teresa isums you know.

That's so she's like, call you walk currently It's like, well, Teresa, I don't think he's.

Saying he was whatever, boo boo, but well we'll take it.

So apology no.

So this was the thing that was so fascinating Megan. So first of all, it was a i'll call a double day. It was a two men, two men, husband wife. The only two people talking the entire time was Teresa and John Fuda. Rachel could not get a word in edgewise because John is Jane. He is the real housewife in New Jersey.

Okay.

He took the purse strings from Joe Gorga and decided to like lay it on the table because he really wants to be like the star of the show.

So he's like, I wasn't a drug dealer. I sold pot.

And that was back in the day and he said, I'm not accepting your apology. You you need to continue apologizing, And it was sort of like John, Dear John Feuda, why are you feuding with this woman across from you when her husband is sitting next to you? And I don't know, call me old school Meggan mcambe, I would love to get your thoughts. I just think it's weird to have a ferocious conversation with a woman across from

And I thought that John was trying to get a moment out of Teresa.

I agree with that, and I would not come for Teresa. I think she's a reality TV legend and she's been on TV for what like almost twenty years? I mean, how long has she been beat like a I mean, I've been watching Teresa on television since I was like in college. I mean, and again I'm almost forty, Like, I mean, she's a I would go so far as to say Teresa's an American treasure. I love Teresa. I really they could film her until I'm eighty and I'll continue to watch it. I don't really know. I don't

Sorry, I could not agree with you more listening, and I yes, I'm biased because I worked with her before and she is a legend. She's an icon, but she's not mediocre. And if she was mediocre, I would like her and love her still, but I wouldn't be going hard for her as I do now. I think the issue that I have with John is, Look, I appreciated last week's episode where Rachel stood up to Teresa. I was like, no, you know, I mean she was throwing digs, which I was like, again, it's a sport, and I

Don't shouldn't do that? No, no, I also grow up, you're a man. Come on, like not to be like whatever, but come on, ridiculous right No?

He he got up from his chair, honey and stormed out of there and was calling her out of her name, like, but not out of her name. I want to be very clear. He was throwing digs at her as he. I just again, for me, it was the typical housewife playbook that I expect an actual housewife to do or a thirsty demoted friend of to do in order to get relevance back on the show.

Yeah, and again, that's not really that. I mean, thank you for giving me the rundown, but that doesn't sound like the most compelling episode of New Jersey I've ever walked, Theresa, I always want prostitution wor nineteen times engaged like you know, the classic table flip crazy like that's how you gotta love this stuff. I mean, it's so wild, you know, I don't know. That's why I really want them to bring back real house Lives of DC. I still think

There's a lot of Real Housewives of DC like fans that's in the universe of Bravo, because I would love to see a political adjacent right real Housewives show only because of the times that we're in. And I tell people this all the time. For the longest time, I got my political news from the View because it was met with entertainment and conversation and let's be real here at some arguments, so.

It fed me everything.

I would rather get my news from the View than watching Anderson Cooper talk about it on Andy three sixty like I was. I was way more into, like I need to know what they're talking about. So a Real Housewives of DC where it's political adjacent.

I think will be dope.

But I would need for you to be the first multiplier of Megan McCain and the Queen Bee of the show.

Would you ever consider it?

No, I told you, I haven't offered so many reality

Did I ever tell you this. I think I told you this. I pitched a scott Stale show years ago. No, I didn't tell you this.

No, so exclusive for the rain drops and Megan apparently Okay, this is Girl twoenty seventeen.

Okay, I found a group of high because Scottsdale.

There's a lot of like rich people in Scottsdale, Arizona, and they're gorgeous and it's and it's different degrees of like professions there that I was like, Oh, I didn't know, like we had like a baseball why we had somebody in the tech industry.

It was.

It was very much diverse in terms of like their profession.

Long story short, found this amazing group of women friends as well, and pitched the show.

No one bought it.

That surprises me.

I know now, granted this is twenty seventeen, but Girl, I'm with you.

Like, I'm really actually shocked by that. I think you could revisit that. Honestly, there's a lot of money in Scottsdale, like a lot. It's like Beverly Hills in the desert. Trust me, that's always the one I wish that would come because I would love it. But you know, I guess we're just gonna have to stick with Salt Lake City.

And with no Monica.

Yeah, I know I really like Monica. I like I really. When I went on watch Herabin's Life, I said it was a mistake to leave her, to have her not come back. I like her. I think she's really messy. She's what I want, a reality star again. Do I want her like, you know, like talking to me about the election?

No?

I don't. Do I want her like you know, doing serious things.

No?

Is she a perfect reality star? Yes? And I know that people are like, you know, how could they film with her? Whatever? I bet And I have nothing to back this up other than my own instincts. This upcoming season of Saltlic City will be disappointing without her.

I can just feel it, Honey, call me the Jacksons. Can you feel it?

Like?

Can you feel it in the air? Like I'm with you?

And this has nothing to do with like this sort of you know where stands a Monica? Look, I'm somebody. I literally have this conversation recently with somebody. I am able to separate your bad behavior in terms of what you did versus like what's good television? Again, if I look at bad behavior about like, is it an offense that you can get arrested for?

Do you know what I mean? And spend time in jail?

Like to that degree, it's like, Okay, that's a little too much pretending to be someone's friend and to extract information from them and to be a part of a blog.

To me, Megan McCain is not the worst thing world.

No, it's not Jen Shaw. She didn't steal from old elderly people and go to jail, you.

Know, yeah, no, precisely, precisely.

So for me, it's sort of like, look, anyways, girl, I'm with you. I definitely think that the Real House Squatters saw Like City next season.

It's going to be disappointing.

I haven't heard too much about it, which may not be the greatest thing, because you at least want to hear something.

I have to talk to you about this. Do you believe it's Kenya Moore stuff that just came out? But I don't know if your friends there or whatever, but that I'm definitely watching this new Atlanta. And I told you I had taken a beat for a few seasons, just like it was too much cash shake up. I love the ogs. I really wanted Phaeder to come back, like, you know, I want Needy to come back. I'm sure that's not possible given their legal stuff or whatever. But

No, So again, I don't know much.

I need to put on my Scooby Doo hat and cop in my Scooby Doo ban and get the tea girl. But it's one of those things where we want to know what's going on, we want to know what's happening. And I do think this this. I don't think anybody watches reality reality television to be the morality police, like it's it's sort of like when outlandish things occur, people watch.

Again, I said this to you before, Megan. I stopped watching Down the Pump Rules years ago.

I just stopped watching it until this scandalal thing happened. I'm like, wait, what the fuck is what and then I started watching it again. Even when you talk about the Real housewats of DC when when that I'm forgetting their last names, but thank you when they.

Crash the White House Girl.

So pictures with our President, That's.

What I guess what I waited until, like that episode air to be like, that's the kind of stuff we want to see. It's sort of like this very entertaining mess on the worst of your good friend Erica Jane, a pretty mess.

We like to see a pretty mess.

We like to be able to see something that isn't so like dark and there is a fine line between darkness and like messy entertainment that we love to see. And again, no one's watching these shows to take notes on how to raise your families, Like.

We're not We're good totally, We're good there.

We have great parents, grandparents, and we have twenty five seasons of the Upper Winfrey Show to watch and learn something from those seasons. But we're watching reality televisionally gets a mess. So the thing with the Real House of Watching New Jersey. Final thought, Megan, sure, are you going to continue watching this season or it depends on your mood week by week.

I will keep watching just because like I watch them, but like I said, it's not appointment television to me right now, which honestly makes me really sad because you know, we look as much as it's like, I think pop culture is really important, and I think it's really valuable, and I think entertainers and entertainment is extremely important, especially like in this moment in American life, which is very polarized and very dark and very heavy, and so I

I love me now, you see why me and Megan our friends, because she is my kind of mess. Megan, please let the world know about your podcast and and and talk to them though about what to expect from the podcast, because you definitely talk about different topics as like the politics, entertainment. And again, I'm not on her podcast, guys to talk about what's happening with Trump and Biden. I'm talking about the reality mess. So that's why her

Yeah, it's called Citizen McCain and you come on because we talk about pop culture and reality TV a lot too, because we just talk about what I'm interested in. But it is political in some ways, well I guess in a lot of ways. But we have people from all sides come on and really just try and you know, like talk out, you know, all the craziness that's happening in the world and the crazy awful election that is the least popular election of my lifetime that I can remember,

Know, there's a couple of small groups of people, you know, who are the opposite of that. But now listen, you know I endure you, I love you, and I'm I'm.

Such a chapping for you and anytime I'm.

Able to let the world know the Megan that I know like just fun and vibrant and silly and just like You're my type of girl.

And I'm always happy when you have me on.

I'm so happy that you are on Reality with the King again and we will have many many more episodes together.

Thank you and thank you. I love you and thank you for having me. And yeah, I'm just so happy to be back.

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