Overtime – Episode #715: Killer Mike, Donna Brazile

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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night series, Real Time with Bill Maher. podcast host and musician best known as one half of the group Run the Jewels Killer Mike I know it's just like and she's an ABC News contributor and former DNC chair Donna Brazile

Trump threatened to pull ABC's license this week. I know. What the hell? See, this is what I'm talking about with Mel, about, like, the things that bother me versus the things that don't. That bothers me. You see, the ballroom, I give a fuck. I don't care about the ballroom. I care about that. You just, I mean, like, it's just, and also, like, did you see the thing about the six Democrats?

who are all military service and intelligence work in their background, said, look, you don't have to follow orders. I don't know about that. Now, I understand what they mean, because this thing with Venezuela... is not legal. But what do you think about telling people in the armed services you don't have to follow orders? Now, Trump, of course, went ballistic and said, George Washington would have hung them.

Sedition. Death. You know, he goes right to that, and then today he walked it back. I didn't mean death. You said death. Yeah. And meanwhile, those lawmakers have to reach out to the U.S. Capitol Police, the House Sergeant-in-Arms, because they're getting death threats, because they're afraid. And look, Senator Mark Kelly... Who's getting death threats?

Those members. Oh, those members, right. Mark Kelly, who's married to Gabby Gifford. I mean, to get death threats, he understands that. So it was wrong for Donald Trump to say that online. Of course. Now, here's the point. The military, there's a military rule that says you must follow legal, lawful orders.

It's already in their military contract. They know what they take care of. But who's to say what that is? Aren't the courts looking at that right now? And now you're going to say to 21-year-olds on the USS Enterprise, you have to decide? Because there's an effort underway to put... politicize our military. I understand. And government. And weaponizing it. And the Justice Department. And their point was, don't give up the ship. You have, you've taken an oath, don't give up the ship.

Once you say to the military, you get to decide, as opposed to yes, sir, no, sir, follow orders, it's a dangerous area. What about what we say in ninth grade civics class, though, about the Bill of Rights in the United States Constitution? That goes back to underage.

educating Americans, period. I think that there is a goal in public schools to make sure Americans are dumb. And I don't just mean Americans that look like me. To make sure the average working class American is dumb. The average soldier... You think that's a conspiracy? Yeah, I do. Because I think that the average working...

Again, that's the Democrats' portfolio is education. I don't give a shit which side of the fence you own. It hasn't been good for America. I happen to believe in this republic. I think that as young as we are in 250 years, we stand the greatest chance of being one of the... the greatest republics ever to have been formed on Earth. But we are giving up too much. And partly what you give up is the...

adherence to the United States Constitution and the understanding that that Constitution can transform. It can be amended. It can be closed. I personally think the 13th Amendment needs to be re-amended so that we don't have an excuse for slavery, period. That ends the need for private and state prisons in the same way.

reduces the prison population from what used to be a half a million to over two million now. But I think that soldiers do have a responsibility to adhere to the Constitution. I think if you're sent in on orders to disrupt a First Amendment constitutionally protected thing, I think as a soldier you should say absolutely not. I'm not gonna beat you.

Because we're just picking sides right now, and George Carlin said years ago, you know it's a club and you ain't in it. What we're doing is picking members of the club who are going to fly on the jet together.

afterwards, whether they're Democrat or Republican. They're buddy-buddy. They went to Harvard, they went to Yale, they went to Morehouse, they went to Howard together. They're still going to be friends after, the bourgeoisie and up. That class is going to be okay, but we, the working class, if people got to wear shit like this to work every day, we're going to get fucked up.

over in this. And people who wear shit like this every day usually do this and say yes sir or no sir. So for me, I would rather our soldiers be strictly adherent to the United States Constitution and not following the order that's unconstitutional. I get it. You're asking, I mean...

The military is just different. I'm sorry. You're asking kids who probably don't know anything about the Constitution to make that decision? We've got to fix that, too, Bill. I know, but we haven't fixed it, but right now we haven't. We need to bring back fucking Schoolhouse Rock on Saturday.

We got to do something, brother. We can't just have an ignorant proletarian. I know, but you'll be okay if they did that with Obama? Because he blew up some wedding parties. I don't give a fuck. He blew up some wedding parties. I was going to hold this. I wasn't going to talk about this, right? We killed Gaddafi. We'd knock them off the motherfucking face. Right, absolutely. You're like, absolutely. But as a black person, I saw slavery return to Libya.

I saw a man who was willing to help black people in their plight and their struggle by giving billions, ignored. I saw someone who wanted to unite Africa under one currency and have a potential United States of Africa. And I know how dangerous that is to you in the United States. that crush. And as an American, I had to shut fuck up, go with the Republic. But that's something if I ever had a chance to talk to Obama on, I'd really say, why? So you see Qaddafi good guy? I see Qaddafi has been...

Not as bad as they said. But I can't see any president I have as a good guy. I love Obama. The symbol of Obama is up in my motherfucking house. He's a black man. He became president. And he did more drone bombings than any other U.S. president before him.

He and Hillary Clinton disturbed a country called Libya in which you used to have a free house, free education, free, and now it's not free anymore. And there are people who look like me that aren't free. So as much as I love my republic... You know it was a very repressive dictatorship. I hear what you're saying. We're living under one now.

storming the fucking whale. It was not. You know what? There's ice walking down American neighborhoods. Okay, if you think that's the same as Libya. I didn't say the same. I said it's repressive. But let's have some perspective. All right. Before y'all go smoke? I really like this.

And when the emails came out, the email said essentially we were doing it for the French. Like, how long did the French get to fucking live off Haiti, Libya, West Africa? How long before you got to ante up what's in the lube? The French are still living off Haiti? Oh yeah!

Well, why can't they fix it, then? Well, why can't Haitians fix it? Or the French. Well, they're not going to fix it. There's no interest in color. Don't you read France, Fernando? Don't you read Richard and Earth? You don't. You don't know black women who know this shit. You know that.

You've got to tell them at night. The French pulled out of Haiti like in 1806. No, what I'm saying, though, is Haiti has been punished since 1806. Frederick Douglass wrote about this, too, for being an example that you can without colonizers. And to end colonization is going to take some form of... I think anyone who threatens...

colonies or the colonists are crushed. So whether Gaddafi was ultimately, in my eyes, good or bad, he was better than what they have now. The people who have been repressing the people in Haiti for a very long time are not French. They're other Haitians. They're Haitians that are put into place. Papa Doc Duvalier was French. Let's not act like we don't put dictators into place. Okay, but they're not French. Help them come to power. They're not French. They're not Americans.

They are Haitians. They're Haitians. No benefits go to the French from Haiti anymore. Tell me what. I'm not aware of that. I'm just saying, Haiti still has... Tell me, what's going on? As far as I know, Haiti is still sending money to France, that's all. Sending money? Haiti is falling apart. That's what I know. Okay. And we need to do more to help countries like Haiti, especially...

So what's to do more? I would say we need to reparate countries we've colonized. There's a payment to be made to help countries get... So we took Libya. What have we done to help their country become democratic and get back in a better state? What have we done to help Haiti do it? Haiti is the reason we got Louisiana and West to that. America really owes Haiti.

We kicked the French's ass so bad, it was like, fuck this, we'll sell New Orleans. Y'all have the Saints, y'all have Donna. I mean, you can stay mad at the past forever, but at some point, you got to move forward and make things better in the future. I'm not saying I want to move forward. I'm just saying put something in my pocket before you suck it.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, let me have something for my move forward. That's why we do it for other nations. Let's get back to your original point. I mean, as a daughter of a veteran, I have to say this, and I love my veterans. I love the military. The military is the most trusted institution right now in American society. Sure. The media suck. Church.

I mean, Congress is as popular. Yeah, the church. I mean, institutions. The church is different from our Lord, okay? Okay. But Congress is as popular. You're docking pee on me tonight. You don't like me. As long as we're going after the church, I'm all down.

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A new survey found that the number of 12th grade girls interested in getting married someday has dropped 22 points over the last 30 years. Why do you think that is? Have men become less appealing? Yeah. Hold on. Marriage period or marriage to men? Well...

Well, good point. It just says getting married. I think they are implying to men, but yes. Well, I mean, we're no longer the 1950s. Women can take their time in figuring out what they want and who they want and when they want. Hold on, Donna. Shayna, Shayna, hold on. That's fine for y'all, but tell my wife it's time to go. I don't want her on the side. I want my wife to still cook.

and rub my bag at night. She does all the business in our house, too, though. She runs things. She could be president. But I bet you provide a lot of sustenance and support for your wife to get the things done. I'm the investor. I know ain't no black woman gonna let your ass be a lady. and you know what? Get your ass up, pick that up. I know. I know better. Mm-hmm. But, I mean, we are sort of at a point now. where the...

Men and women, they just don't want anything to do with each other in a lot of ways. It's crazy. Really, you look at who listens to what podcasts. It is very hard to get women to listen to my podcast. They're just like, you're a man. We're just not going. A lot of guys listen to Mel, though. Of course. The men listen to the men. The women listen to men. No, no. Mel the woman who you interviewed. Oh, Mel. Yeah, we listen to Mel. Yeah, well, that's a phenomenon, yes. But, I mean, in general...

it is very hard to get women interested in anything men are saying these days. They just think that we're just a bunch of knuckle-draggers, and they have a lot of evidence for that. Damn. And men are incels, and they're not...

engaging women in the way women would like. They need to be courted. They have not changed as much as we would like to think or some people would like to think. Women are still the women I remember as a youth. Okay? They still want the same things. We don't want your shit. We're tired of it. Exhausted. I mean, we need it. No, no, I'm not saying. Of course you need it. I mean, of course.

Don't tell me, because you know I can spell that out. Of course you need it, but we're tired of taking your shit. We don't want to feel down all the time. You don't have to feel responsible for picking up your shit, taking care of your shit, and then...

Dealing with your shit. Drained. We're tired of it. Yeah. All right. So what happens, though? So what happens, though? I have nobody than someone who drains them. Right. We want our batteries. We want our lives. But guys add a lot of shit, too. Guys are changing the tires. Guys are raking the yard.

Like, I was just doing what they're supposed to. Like, guy shit may not come up on a daily basis. It may not be picking the kids up from school, doing the laundry every day, right? But when the door gets kicked in at 3 in the morning, that motherfucker with the shotgun, it better be a guy. You know what I mean? Like, so I'm just...

There is... What I think is that... We have some use. Yeah, some use. You know what I mean? We pick up heavy shit. We have some use. But women can pick up heavy shit, too. You know that. No. I bring my own trash. I rake my own damn weeds. For real? Yeah, hand me a glass of wine. I can do any damn thing. No, no, no. You sat for some playing shit. Listen, I'm gonna tell you the guy I'm like, I wanna, you know who I like to be? Who? Statman.

Oh, damn. I see Statman. Uncle Statman be in Atlanta, my opening Atlanta. He just be chilling. I want to be like Statman. So, baby, my wife out there, I want you to do well. I want you to make lots of money, baby. I'll do the laundry. I'll wash the dishes. Just take care of me like Statman, baby.

I ain't no cowlises on the other hand. All right, so final question for the season, a simple one. No controversy here. Let's end on a harmonious note for panel. What is your favorite dish? On the Thanksgiving table. Oh, that's easy. We can't fight about that. Gumbo. Gumbo, of course. Sifu gumbo. Of course. I love stuffing. I like to stuff melatonnes. I like dirty rice. You ever had some dirty rice? I had some dirty rice. Oh, sugar. What is that? See, you need a black experience.

Maybe someday it'll happen. If you put some chicken gizzards after your trinity, man, you talking about bumping, you would be sitting on that couch saying, honey, whatever you want later, you got it. And it's all healthy. And when you make this for me, you'll really put your foot in it? Babe, I'm putting everything in it. All right.

What's your favorite for? My favorite is Shea's Macaroni and Cheese. My sister, Lovey's Stuffin'. Das Barbecue smokes an incredible turkey. And the marijuana I usually get around Thanksgiving is much better. All right. Great enjoy our season. Thank you, guys. Thank you, people. Catch all new episodes of Real Time with Bill Maher every Friday night at 10. Or watch him anytime on HBO On Demand. For more information, log on to HBO.com.

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