Ep. #731: Neil deGrasse Tyson, Kevin McCarthy, Katy Tur

Welcome to the video. From the HBO Late Night series, real time. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. How you doing? Thank you, thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Please just uh I appreciate it, but we have to start. It's just Thank you. It's have to start there's so much news to get to. I'm not even gonna tell you what happened with the Iran situation this week because you'll think it's a rerun and turn the show off. Really, I'm telling you. This is

This is not a rerun. I mean unless they're showing it in a couple of months, then I guess it is a rerun. But it's May twenty-ninth today. That's where the day is. But every week it's the same day. It's a we're so close. We're so close We're like that store that's been going out of business for ten years, you know, just every week. Out of business. And and uh the rhetoric is just getting uncomfortably sexual for me. I it's We're so close. They're begging for it.

They want it so bad. We're almost there. Jesus Christ, they. I need a cold shower after I watch Jake Tapper now. It's just ridiculous. Thank you. Iran is negotiating on fumes, yes, and we're driving them. A little good news, a little light at the end of the tunnel. For the first time in 88 days, Iran got their internet back. They had been living without any internet, and uh everybody in the country got it and said the same thing. Venture Pratt is going to be the mayor of Los Angeles.

Uh But I tell you, Due to the war and the gas prices and like nine other things. Trump's approval rating, lowest ever, thirty-four percent, even underwater with white Uh people who did not go to college. That was always his base. That's like Taco Bell losing stoners. I mean that's Thank you. Amen. Losing the non-college educated white people what's he had to do? Stage UFC fights on the lawn?

Oh we're doing that. I forgot. We actually are doing that. That's right. My bad. I forgot. Uh but uh oh no not just that. Lot of exciting things. Rappen back there. We're having a big 250th birthday party for America concert. They announced the lineup. Oh, vanilla ice. I'm not making that vanilla ice, Millie Vanilli, Morris Day, Brett Michaels. I think this is very admirable about the president. It shows his concern for the unemployed. Yeah.

And then after they announced this all star lineup, uh a lot of them said, No, what are you talking about? We're we're not playing. That's gotta hurt a lot when you can't close the deal with Millie Vanilli. I I I Thank you. And I... And I guess we should have seen this coming, given the pattern of this administration. The uh Justice Justice Department is opening criminal investigation into E. Jean Carroll, the woman who sued Trump successfully about sexual harassment and defamation.

And uh Trump is mum on it. He says he cannot comment on an ongoing retribution. Thank you. Good night. Okay. This is such a pattern. If you cross Donald Trump, oh my gosh. They will come after you with anything. It doesn't m they will find anything. They're going after Eugene Carroll for alleged perjury and also bringing more than four items into the changing room? I I mean

There's something in the category of, wow, we never used to be this country. Uh Trump is put they they're putting out a$250 bill with Trump's face on it. I guess it's commemorative, but I think maybe you can also sp I don't know. Republicans in Congress are thrilled about it. They cannot wait to carry it in their wallet. What a switcheroo. Having Trump's face next to their act. Oh week, kid. Gentle good play.

And look, sorry I have to report this, this is horrible news, but I have to report. People get their news from the show. Ebola is in Africa and it's b apparently not completely under control. We started in a gold mining town. Trump is very concerned. He asked today, Is the gold okay? Ha ha ha! Thank you. This is especially concerning because the the the heads of our health departments are Bobby Kennedy and Dr. Oz. And

Well they are. And there was a video of them this week. They were hanging out at Dr. Oz's house and Bobby Kennedy is wrangling snakes. I don't know if they're they're pet snakes or they just found them in the garage, but there's Bobby Kennedy wrangling snakes. And I have two questions. One, i i i is it right for the secretary of health and human services to be engaging in such risky behavior? And has Bobby ever come across an animal and just left it the fuck alone?

All right, we got a great show. We have former Speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy. Wow. And Katie Terrar here. But first up, he is an astrophysicist and director of the Hayden Planetarium, whose new book is called Take Me to Your Leader: Perspectives on Your First Alien Encounter, Neil deGrasse Dyson. Wow, you really brought it tonight. Wow.

Well I must lead off by congratulating you on the Mark Twain Thank you very much. I feel this. I appreciate it. Thank you. It goes to people who Inform you and make you laugh. Yeah. And you do this uniquely. No, I I Thank you. Well, I piss them off'cause I'm right. But anyway, there's this presence.

But I gotta get right back at you because, you know, I've read all your books and this one I feel like you hit your stride. I feel like they're all good, but this one I think is your best and I think you don't get the shine you deserve as a writer because you became a T V star. You did.

And people forget that only happens because the books come first. Because the real work is there. I feel like this is your best one. First of all, it's the most personal. To me it was. I mean the fact that you for example, say when you were a kid. You wanted to be abducted by everyone. Yeah, oh yeah. You were really Not to leave Earth. I mean I like Earth, but The bronze. It was the Bronx, New York, but it was I just thought the immensity of the universe called to me.

And the only way I can get there, given the state of any science or technology on Earth, I would need help from aliens. So I wanted a beam of light to come down from the sky and take me away. So you're disappointed that didn't happen. Yeah, kinda a little bit. A little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm just I maybe that was before I read about the body orifice. Okay. Curiosity. But you gotta admit it'd be curio it's odd that aliens would cross the galaxy. That would just be No, it's not. Oh well it's not

That's where you would look. Uh not not wait, up through there. That's medically that's what we do anyway. Okay, so so dogs do it. Dogs go up the butthole. No, they just sniff there. We have instruments. They have instruments. They're looking it's not about the butthole. It's about getting inside the body through the butthole.

What would be interesting is if the aliens had some of these dog elements to them and and you greet them and the first thing they want to do is go around and sniff your butt. Start it. They might have habits that would be strange to us. I, I, I... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Don't blow a gasket.

I knew we would be waylaid with this. Okay, go. Let's uh because you're being the book is so timely. We are we are we are on this precipice. I've I've done editorials about I'd love that editorial. Thank you. I appreciate it, because we've talked about It was on every point.

Right. And and you you actually say there's a near certainty that there is alien life in the galaxy. I know you're more skeptical about what we're seeing now, some of the things we've talked about that. You're more skeptical about the fact that I mean it has changed. The the peop the very serious people are saying th these things. narrative have shifted yes significantly from the farmers back forty

saying he saw it f floating over his crops to revelers coming out of the bar at two A.M. to so that was decades ago. And now we have high ranking people who speaking sincerely under oath saying they've got aliens in the back shed or reverse engineered technologies, crash saucers, alien body parts. So what it it what it says to me is, okay, is it now too much to add? To say bring out the alien.

But who to who? Who who who's uh that's I mean they make the point in the in the documentary we the disclosure documentary we covered, they make the point that something is. It's sometimes not even the president who seems to have the authority. It seems to be disparate throughout the government. Even the president himself does it. And I don't know what that means, but I'm not sure that that's not uh very possible with the way our government.

If there was a cover-up, of course the president would be in on it. So that's not news to me that that's a possibility. Well, all I'm saying is we have enough information to the point where if they did bring out the alien, it would be almost anticlimactic. Given given what's been described about it and given how we've been treated to every possible imagined alien that you can come up with in a century of storytelling.

on that subject. So uh you know what surprised me if they did bring out the alien and it was humanoid, because that's weird. Most life on earth does not look human with whom we have DNA in common. We have 20-25% identical genes with a banana. So an alien from another galaxy that has no genes at all should look at least as different from us as we in bananas look from each other. Thank you. Be so be creative.

Be creative. And if it actually looked humanoid, I would be shocked. But fine. I I'll accept it. But I'm I'm waiting for that to happen. And it's it would be anticlimactic because I've already told you it's there. It is amazing the lack of imagination that we have when we make movies and the aliens are always just some variation. They look like us, but they got weird ears or they got you know ridges. Rid or four fingers. instead of...

Something like that. It just um did you did you see uh Project Hail Mary? Yes, I did. So so that was Andy Ware, the author, all also wrote um The Martian, and actually he handed me my one of my highest compliments ever. He's a software engineer turned novelist. And he was writing The Martian. There's a lot of science in that. When he was going to play loosey-goosey with the physics, he imagined I was looking over his shoulder.

And he didn't want me tweeting about it later. So so he doubled down on the science. Really? Well on on pr on on The Martian with Project Hail Mary, which is kind of like a alien buddy movie, a little bit. Yes. With a rock, okay. Rocky. So was his name. So what I liked about it was he tried to break open the Hollywood trope of the humanoid alien. This was craboid, and it was made of rocks, and it lived in a different aircraft.

Condi uh air pressure and and air compos ammonia, uh atmosphere. So he's just trying to break the mold. You shouldn't fault him for doing it. No, but it still seems like whenever they go to another planet in a distant uh uh part of the universe, it still looks like San Bernardino. I mean that was the end. Oh okay. All right. Thank you.

I read in your book that every broadcast that we've ever made has gone into space, like anything that was put put out in the airwave. Yes, some some airwaves will go out better than others. Like FM goes straight out. AM remember in the old days? You could hear AM radio stations from neighboring cities, but FM you couldn't. On a clear night, you could hear Atlanta. So these are waves bouncing off the uh one of the layers of the atmosphere. So not all waves would get out, but television would.

FM wood and other sorts of radio. Everything that's been on TV, uh has been is out there. Sit comes are out there. Yes. Well not if you would be cable most of your life. No, I did a show on P Politically Incorrect was on A. That's correct. Right. But all your cable work is Y cablework is hidden from the L. but they might like my... Ha ha ha ha. But they might like my earlier work. So it's a radio bubble. You think they like Redoc? So there's a redo. I hear they're a little woke.

Uh no, they'll they will they don't know to like or dislike. They will use you, the early signals that are available to them, as as a emissary of what it is to be human on Earth. Okay, now what preceded you was like the honeymooners and howdy duty. And you know, and the honeymooners, you remember, we we all laughed when Ralph Cramden threatened to punch his wife. The moon. Right. And that was considered funny. If the aliens first get a hold of that, I don't know what they'll think of us. I know.

Thank you. I I mean if they're if they're that smart They'll see that and then they'll see everybody loves Raymond and they'll go okay They grew up. Okay. They advanced. Okay, I would like to think that. But if they did visit and really looked around the world, what forms most of your content in your monologue would be evidence to the alien that there's no sign of intelligent life on Earth. Is that why they're not here? Went back home.

That's one of the points I made in that editorial I did was that we used to panic about them coming here and now I welcome it. Because one of the reports said that they may have stopped uh you know, they have dis what? You making that face up. What's going on? Let's sing! No, there that there was a uh a an uh they said it hovered over this Air Force base and that it it absolutely made the nuclear missiles unable to fire. If they're doing that, I say bring it on. Yeah.

The aliens found out that we had developed nuclear powers in nineteen fifty one and they said this is destabilizes the solar system and all other life forms. They came here to stop it. Right. So this has been a subtext for quite some time. Right. Yeah, the second that was a different one because we were a source of biodiversity and we were destroying the they couldn't use the nuke angle because the times had changed.

All right, last question. AI. I gotta ask you, what is the connection Broad question, but AI and aliens. I mean, is there any connection? Are they you think they're more present possibly here because we got onto AI and this worries them or it encourages them? Or is there a connection? Yeah, in the book I make a very simple point that if AI is the exemplar of human intellect, And the alien is much smarter than us, that's a pretty low bar for them to be worried. Okay? It's it impresses us.

that in computers can be the sum of all of our intelligence. But if we are if chimps are to us what we are to aliens. Consider we have ninety-eight percent identical DNA with chimps. Yeah. So there's a lot going on in that two percent. So imagine an alien species that's two percent beyond us in that same vector. What would we look like to them? We might be babbling chimps in their presence. And so so if we say, oh, we got this AI and it's brilliant, they'll just laugh us off the street.

Thank you. It'd be like the chimps building an apparatus to reach the bananas instead of them having to stack boxes to do so and they'd be really proud of it and that'd be their Einstein chimp and then we just look at that and laugh because our toddlers can do that. That's what we would look like to that so the idea that we're let's look for other intelligent life in the universe comes with a really big assumption.

That we're intelligent. And who def who said we're intelligent? We did, okay? Well Not some exterior m measure of our life form versus others. I don't know. I everything I've learned about science after sixth grade I know from you. So I'm just gonna take that as gospel. Alright, I gotta get to the panel. Always good to see you, Mike. Thank you so much. It's a great book. Everybody should read it. All right, let's meet our panel.

Kevin's back. All right. He's a former Republican congressman who represented California's 20th district and served as the 55th Speaker of the House. And he came back to this show, Kevin McCarthy. Unbelievable. And she's the anchor of MS now is Katie Turr Reports and best-selling author of Unbelievable. Her new show, The Moment with Katie Turr, launches Monday, June 15th. Katie Turr. Great to see you. Okay.

All right. I I wanna start with Texas tonight because it's a little political news for people who don't um junkies who follow this. There was a primary down there, and uh I think it tells us a lot because you know A lot of what I read and is here is just bullshit. It's just people's opinions and this and that. Elections are real.

Those that is the one thing that's real. It tells us what people are thinking and it what matters to them. Okay, so they had election a Republican primary. John Cornyn, he was the old school, there he is. Yes, the Crocker German. Like this go you know, this Like very what was he, a judge or something before this? Attorney General. Attorney General and four terms. I mean he's Republican class. He lost by almost thirty points to the nut. I'm sorry, but he is. Ken Ken Paxton an attorney.

General. And this this guy is right of Attila the Hun. I mean I'll just If if you watch MS now all the time, turn the sound down for thirty seconds because I'm gonna tell you what he believes in and it'll blow your fucking mind. Uh near total abor abortion ban. Eighty percent of Americans are are against it. Uh he sued five cities that decriminalized marijuana. I take that personally.

Gay marriage said county clerks had religious objections they could opt out of uh issuing them sixty nine percent of Americans are for gay marriage. Okay. And he still won. Also an election denier. Still won. By almost thirty points. Now he's gonna face the Democrat. They've been saying forever a Democrat could win. Is this the time it could happen? I mean if you're gonna talk about a perfect storm, isn't this the moment for Yes, I I would put my own money that the

Texton is a uniquely vulnerable candidate, as you laid out. He's extremely far to the right. That's not so out of step with Texas. But at the same time he's been accused of fraud and corruption over and over again. by his own party in Texas. Um he's not he's not the ideal candidate for them. You know this. John Cornyn was the ideal safe candidate, uh the Cook political report, the second that Paxton won, went from likely to lean Republican. That's a that's a decent swing.

The internal conversation and you tell me if I'm wrong about this because you know probably know better than I do, two hundred and fifty million dollars to protect Paxton in that race. $250 million that can't be spent on Georgia or North Carolina or Alaska, so maybe not Texas.

You saying the Republicans have to spend that Defend taxes. They don't need to spend that money normally, they can put that money elsewhere. I mean, as Trump better than anybody knows, money doesn't really win the elections. No. Hillary outspent them by a fortune in twenty sixty. But in some places it's not. But less if you're gonna play money, look, I I like Corny, I thought Cornyn did a tremendous job, came close to being something. But there comes a point when maybe you serve too long.

He spent a hundred million dollars and still lost. Remember what this is. This is a runoff from a primary so there's fewer voters. No way, sorry. He lost because Trump. Trump endorsed. And so one of the other guys. But what did you there's two things? So again, just one more thing and then I'll shut up. But like again, to my point about elections tell us things. What does this tell us? That Trump said, I throw my thunderbolt at John Cornyn and the people obey.

So you're reading into Paxton. What it really means is President Trump is probably stronger than any president in our lifetime, stronger than Ronald Reagan in a Republican party. There's another election that took place there. That Trump was it was a Chip Roy who was a congressman, who was running for Attorney General. Trump did not invite. Simply by not endorsing he lost. Ted Cruz was a hundred percent behind him out there campaigning.

The president can determine who's gonna win in a Republican primary. Yeah, but is that going to win a general election? I will bet the Republicans win Texas. But Well let's see. That means it's less money for Ohio, Iowa, Alaska. So that that's it. And money's not equal in politics. This Democrat is raising a lot. The more money the candidate raises, the stronger you are because you get TV time at a lower rate.

Paxton doesn't raise great money, so the party has come in. But if you currently add up all the money from all the can from all the parties, Republican versus Democrat, Republicans have 800 to the Democrats 200. Republicans may have a negative feeling. Democrats are ten points lower.

Democrats are in the hole money-wise. They put out a report that they denounce about why they lost the races. Their leaders are very unpopular. This should be a year where the Democrats have this unbelievable year and they're not going to have that. They We wouldn't have an unbelievable year but for the redistricting that has been happening.

If you asked me this question a month ago, I'd say Democrats are going to win the House. Okay. Now what's going to happen though, the Republicans just added nine more points. Now I don't like this redistricting idea. My first bill in the state legislature was to put it with a commission. I like competition. When I became leader in the Republicans, Pelosi became speaker. What are you what are you looking at me for this time? They're like Stop'em, Bill, stop'em.

Well, this is what I want you to understand. Four years later, we won the majority by five seats. I picked up five more seats in California and didn't have to redraw the line. So I it makes you have better candidates, better message. You should have competition. It's the way the founders designed America. Why are you calling President Trump and telling him that? I fought it the whole time, but but for the same point.

For the same point, why didn't we call New Mexico when they did it? Why didn't we do Illinois when they did it? Why didn't we do in in New York when they did it? This has been going on by both parties for a long time. That's true, and now they took it to another level. And it's gonna harm the country because there's less than twenty seats

Can I get back to Texas? Exactly. We we didn't talk about who he's running against, Paxton. Okay. So you have Attila the Hunt on this side. Then we have this guy, James Tallerico. We we had him on the show recently. I mean, uh he seemed like a nice guy. He seemed very reasonable. They're spreading rumors that he's gay. Or even worse, vegan. No, I'm telling you. Region campaign.

He's on video running a vegan campaign. That doesn't play well in Texas. No. He he s he he he said he said some things that don't play well in Texas, like God is non binary, which if there is a He's taken that back. He said it was a silly thing for him to say. It is a silly thing to say because it's just it just looks bad on a poster or a a an ad. Okay, but listen to this. So Stephen Miller of the Trump administration, uh right there with Attila, uh

He said the Democrats made history by nominating their first transgender Senate candidate. That he's just pulling out of his ass. Even if they did, it should not be disqualifying. I mean Jewish for the Democrats, yes, but not transgender. Uh then the Democratic Twitter account fired back, shut up you ugly fuck. This is the official Democratic Twitter account. And then Steven Miller's wife fired back at the woman who ran the Twitter account and said she's thirty, unmarried, no kids.

Well first of all I love it that that's the worst insult they can think of. Thank you. Everybody I know who's unmarried with no kids, that you know, th that's good, you know. It's so ugly and and our politics I mean listen, politics has always been dirty and to a degree, but it is so much uglier now.

than it ever was. And there is one person that opened the door to that. The question is how do we get it back? And especially right now, I don't think Americans th there might have been a time where people were amused by that, but there paying four dollars and fifty cents for uh a gallon of gas in most places, much more here in Los Angeles, as everyone in the crowd knows. Yeah. Much more hair. Six ninety nine. But how do we get out of that?

But I think you have to look for somebody that's gonna help you rise above it. I mean I'm the Hungarian election that happened just the other day, ousting Viktor Orban. Yeah. This guy came in, he went county to county, sometimes uh multiple times. And he told them that the leader is corrupt, they are stealing from you, they are taking money from you from you, they're making their your life worse.

I'm gonna bring this country back together. And he he had a more inspiring message, not getting down into the into the mud. The way that a lot of Democrats have been doing with uh Donald Trump. I I think it's gonna take somebody who comes in and finds a way to bring us all together. What about Matthew McConaughey? Thank you. I know.

I thought that maybe that was just your inner voice of hey Matthew McConaughey he would be. All right. Um I have to move on. Uh I had Spencer Pratt on my podcast the other day. I think it dropped. You know what? I know I'm supposed to hate'em, I don't. He runs great ads. Yeah, I mean, Right.

He's I he's what's charming about him is he has no advisors. I mean s he I s confronted him on like, you know, this and this you're gonna have to think about. No, I only care about the issues I care about. So he's very honest about that. Uh it's funny because he's running as a Republican and doing quite well. Everybody out here is like, what do you think is Ben Soprat? He's on everybody's mind. I was asking him about that. He he's very un Californian in that way for a guy who's from California.

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So uh not to be picking on Donald Trump all the time, but you know, what can I say? Even after ten years, I must say he does things that you'd think after all this time we would see coming, you know, things that nobody ever did, but he still thinks. that a president could do that nobody did as president but and one of them now is suing the country that he is leading. Ha ha ha.

This was the big story this week. If you don't know about it. Now he there was a crime here. I mean somebody leaked his tax, not just his by the They leaked a lot of rich people's tax and that and this guy's going to jail for five years. Yeah. Okay. Not supposed to do that. But a president suing his own government, so he's the and then he settled. He settled with them settled with himself a lot easier than settling with a rant, apparently. But um Can you spoke?

He's both the what'd we say, the Sui and the Sewer. No, we're living in the Sewer. I I I don't know. But the uh this okay, so anyway he settled and now the money is going instead of what the lawsuit was. It was for ten billion dollars. He said, nope, we don't have to do that. But the money is going to what they're calling an anti weaponization fund. A judge has already stopped it, but probably the Supreme Court will let it go through.

um which will go to the people he thinks have been uh guilt have been victims of lawfare, would we call it? So that means the January 6 people. Means the January 6th people now, not only did they get a pardon, now they're getting paid. They're getting paid for attacking the Capitol. Is this the right incentivization, Kevin McCarthy?

I I believe this. You can condemn the violence on January 6th and still believe some of these defendants had excess persecution and political treatment. Because I do. I do both of those. They don't automatically get any money. Give me one example. Who were put in solitary confinement, not allowed to get out. And look, there are people on January 6th that I I condemn that violence, but there were some people that were caught up just walking through. But let me let me give you some.

Were you still in Congress? Yeah, I was escorted out. Okay. Let me ask you this. What if you're government say you are in power you control the presidency you control the senate the other party has the house You have an individual that wants to go after these people, so they go after the speaker's self-

But they don't tell the carrier who the person is. They don't even tell the judge who the number is, because when they get asked, they say we're afraid of the person leaving the country, even though they have 24 hours surveillance. You know what that person was? Me. So our my own government went after my cell phone records, when I became Speaker of the House, when I was the highest ranking Republican, never asked me for'em, I'd hand them to you, but I think we have separation of power.

What recourse does anybody have? I'm not gonna sue, but how do you make sure that doesn't happen to somebody else? If they would go after the Speaker of the House the second in line to the president, they can go after anybody. And if they can lie to the judge and say, I can't tell you who the number is because I'm afraid this person's gonna leave the country? I think we're stretching.

Was this in regards to investigating January sixth? But they didn't get the the information and your conversations. It was just the calls that were made between you and the White House that they were. They went for the whole month. They never told me. They never asked for the money. The content of the call, did they? But why do they have the right to my number as as is?

Weren't they investigating Donald Trump and they were just trying to find out what he did on that day in the sequence of events, and it just happened all Why do they ask for the whole month and why do they wait till the speech? The highest ranking Republican, the Speaker of the House, the second in line to the presidency.

And you think not even asking them for it, but you lie to a judge whose number it is, you lie to the carrier who it is, and then when you get asked about it, well we had to lie to you because we are afraid they would leave the country. That's a concern with all the power that processes. But so if if the administration wanted to say, okay, we don't think that was fair and this we're gonna look into How do we ever find it out?

Then why are they not saying we want to create this fund? But the January 6th rioters, the ones who beat up cops, are not allowed to apply for this. Why not put a structure around? Guardrails are. I think you have three questions here. Okay. And why pardon all of them blanketly?

Well, okay, I I don't that's a difference of opinion. Do you're gonna have no I I I I have a difference of opinion of what happened on January sixth. But the first thing that has to happen is who who is allowed to get recourse from this? Who makes that decision? What type of money does it come from? And does Congress authorize it? I think that's the criteria. I think you're you're bringing it to a different place. So

insane for a lot of people is that the January 6th rioters are clearly who this is intended for because the administration keeps saying, of course they're allowed to apply. We're gonna consider each case. They're not saying people like Patrick or I'm sorry, David Dempsey. Who stomped on an officer's head went on an hour long rampage, beating up officers, using metal poles, pepper spray, broken furniture to go after cops, sentenced to twenty years in prison. Donald Trump pardoned him.

And now we're gonna pay him? Nothing said. But nothing said you're trying to shut it here. No, she says we're going to pay. No, she says we're going to pay. Субтитры сделал DimaTorzok administration not saying of course we're not gonna pay this guy. Of course we're not gonna pay Andrew Paul Children and telling them President does not get to decide who is. The President gets to dismiss any one of these panelists if he so chooses. So how does he not get to be

Settlement is created how you get a$10 billion lawsuit settling here. I think the Senate is correct in asking the criteria. It doesn't make sense that they would not put any guardrails. It doesn't make sense to what you're doing. It doesn't make sense that Biden didn't just go after my cell phone numbers, went after a number of s Republican senators too. Didn't go after any Democrat, and then didn't ask them, didn't ask them and didn't tell us. We had to find out after we took the majority.

But let me ask a political question. Yes.

Does this kind of thing hurt him? I mean his approval rating is the lowest ever. I feel like that's because the people, even his people, sense there's just so much self-dealing. So much stuff like I mean Stock trades money managers for the president made more than thirty seven hundred trades in the first quarter, including, for example, Nvidia on January sixth. Oh, and coincidentally. A week later they cleared Nvidia.

to sell chips to China, which we always said was something we really shouldn't do. You know, China not exactly our best friend. I mean stuff like that. I mean I never traded one stock, individual stock when I was a member. talking about you. I know, but I don't think but I watched Nancy Pelosi do quite well. I don't think any member should trade stock, and I don't think they should be able to do that. Okay. Something like this. You know, I mean I know Martha Stewart's pissed. Thank you.

The thing that hurts the most is the the price of gas is going to determine a lot what's going to happen in this election. Where where's the price of gas going to be? Where where's uh the economy at? And the people are gonna have questions. But that's rightfully so. Why the Republicans in the Senate are asking the questions they're asking? I think forty nine percent of the population uh uses the word corrupt around Donald Trump. I they see it. They're not comfortable with it. Yeah.

Yeah, I think they do. I think they see that there's always a side deal. There's always something for the feminine. It looks like he has this idea in his head, like, I'm doing this job. I could be just relaxing in Mar-a-Lago, but I'm doing this job. I gotta wet my beacon. It's not a little bit more. No it's not a In his mind maybe we'll tell you that.

How does how does the Republican Party run against that? I I don't they're not doing well right now in the polls. I know Democrats aren't doing well either, but the Democrats will have the opportunity to say Donald Trump is self dealing, look at these stock trades. They'll they'll they'll have the opportunity to say that. I want I w I wanna see Nancy Pelosi make that argument. Nancy Pelosi is your. I mean, I'm not sure. She still tails cotton. Really? Yeah. I don't think I can.

So the Republicans are going to continue to run against Nancy Pelosi, that's the strategy. No. Thank you.

Right. I have one final issue I wanna get to. The Pope. Whenever me and the Pope agree on something, I feel like there's something with the planets going on. I I don't know what it is. But I I mean I've been all over this AI thing. I said a f a few weeks ago, month, I don't know when it was, but I said like of all the issues I've ever covered, this is the one I find literally the most alarming.

when the father of AI, Jeffrey Hinton, says it is a ten to twenty percent possibility of an e an extinction event, an extinction event. And the Pope is on my page. The Pope put out an encyclical Uh and what d artificial intelligence needs to be disarmed, he said. Also I thought really interesting the commencement addresses are going on at colleges right now around the country. Yes. And people got some rude awakenings who were doing the speaking.

'Cause they thought, Oh, the kids kids love new stuff, I'll bring up AI. Boo The kids are booing AI. The kids don't like they get it that they're gonna take all their jobs. Yeah. I mean listen, you have all these tech CEOs, these AI CEOs coming out and saying twenty percent of the jobs are gonna be gone. This is gonna change everything. You're not gonna need workers. Well How do you expect the population to confront that and to accept it? Also we can end the world. Okay, great. Let's keep going.

I I I I what is the plan? You're right. Dario Amoti, he's the CEO of Anthropic. Unemployment he says could spike to twenty ten to twenty percent. That's what it was in the Depression. Yeah. Twenty percent. Uh Ford, CEO, said uh AI will leave a lot of white collar people behind. Uh could replace half of all white collar workers I mean and what is the plan? I don't get it. It's like, oh well, no no one will work anymore, but so we'll give them a universal basic income. With what?

What if they don't work? That money has to come from the government. How are they gonna get it to the government if the people aren't paying taxes? I think Kevin will agree with this. I think people want it's not even just a universal basic income in the way that doesn't make sense. People want a purpose. They don't want to sit around and do nothing. They want to do something with their lives. This is what they want to feel like they're. This is literally evolution. A lot of them junkies.

No, I think they do. I think I think that's cynical. Well, there's there's seven million young men who are not unemployed. They're not working. But it's di unemployed is your you want to work and you can find a job. Seven million people who are just what they call NILF, not in the labor force, not working, not luckin'. So not all of them think this is a bad thing.

What do you want to say? Look, we're living through an industrial revolution that's going to be faster than we watched before. Our policies are not keeping up with it. This is going to be a real challenge. For all the for all the fear you have of AI, there's also positive things that can happen. Of course. So I think what you really need, you need the policymakers to get ahead of this.

Create a formation that you still allow AI to grow here in America, but at the same protections at the time. But there is going to be disruption. And you you ought to acknowledge it and find the policies ahead of time to get ahead.

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The next time the Democrats need an autopsy they have to hire an actual coroner. Because he or she couldn't do worse than the gutless stiffs they have doing it now. You probably heard the party released their autopsy on the November twenty twenty-four loss last week. In May of twenty twenty six. Because the Democrats are like Don Corleo. They insist on hearing bad news immediately. Oh, nobody remembers the movie, huh? What a shame. You ought to check it out. It's very good. Thank you.

Well, I've spent a good part of my life trying to get straight answers out of politicians. Uh and I gotta I gotta tell you, while they're in office, you kind of have to try. This statement from the administration, the president had the constitutional authority to direct the use of military force because he could reasonably determine that such use of force was in the national interest. That's too vague for you? Okay, because that's from Obama. And he's one of the good ones. Ha ha ha.

But you know when politicians get super honest when they're retiring or even better dying. And especially when they're dying politically. If you're at four percent in the polls, oh goodbye bullshit, hello bull worth. Make you talk? We can't get you to shut up then.

I see it here all the time, politicians who are intransigent partisans or lackey water carriers and then they're out of office and it's read my book where I say all the things I should have said but didn't during my five hundred years in office. Recently, the press has gotten very excited about some Republican senators who've had just about enough of Trump shenanigans. Yeah, because they're retiring.

Like Senator Tom Tillis. Ooh, Tom's mad. Tom is mad these days. As we were previously discussing, the January 6th rioters are now gonna get paid for participating in the lucrative new field of insurrecting. And Tom Tillis is all over the news now saying this is stupid on stilts. Suddenly Tom doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks. You can tell by his tie.

Same with Senator Bill Cassidy, who lost his primary. So now he found the courage to say the words sludge fund and Mitch McConnell, who coincidentally also has nothing to lose. Yeah. Goes even further and says it's a slush fund to pay people who assault cops and then it's utterly stupid and morally wrong. And for once he means in a bad way. And that's progress, I guess. I just wish he talked that way when he was alive. Thank you.

These guys are all the same. They're like this serial killer who's about to get the chair, so he figures, what the hell, I might as well tell the cops about the other 20 girls I buried in the woods. Republican Lee Atwater and Democrat George Wallace were both lifelong races. Who somehow found the courage late in life to renounce those beliefs. And when I say late in life, I mean after they got shot and after they received a diagnosis of inoperable brain cancer.

Two-term President General Dwight Eisenhower delivered one of the most important messages a president has ever uttered when he said we should beware the military-industrial complex. He said it forcibly, he said it clearly. He said it three days before he left office. He's the guy who yells fuck you as the elevator door closes.

You know, maybe instead of asking what would Jesus do, people should ask, What would I do if I were in hospital? A frequent guest of this show, who I always called my favorite congressman, was in hospice recently, Barney Frank. Died this month. But on the way out, he said, I want to use my unfortunate situation to say something that I think is very important. He said the key to liberal democracy, being able to come back.

is to get rid of the perception that we have allowed to grow, that the entire Democratic Party is committed to a series of very drastic social reconstructions that go beyond the politically acceptable. And there in one sentence is the autopsy the Democrats have been so desperately searching for. From a guy who delivered it right before he needed one himself.

It sounds a lot like what Obama said after he left office. The average American doesn't think we have to completely tear down the system and remake it. They just don't want to see crazy stuff. Is this really so hard a message for Democrats to say? There's a Democrat who's running for governor here in California now who's saying it, San Jose Mayor Matt Mahan.

Yeah, because he's at four percent in the polls. Everybody has been calling me lately saying, you gotta have this guy on. He's the sensible Democrat we've been looking for. To which I tell them, one, this is a national show, it's not all about you and your life in California. Two, how did you get this number? And three, what's his plan to get the leaf blowers to shut the fuck up in the morning? Thank you.

But also, you're right, he does sound sensible. Because he's at four percent. That's when everybody's brave. If he got to forty percent, would he still be saying as he does say? We need democratic leaders in California who are willing to say no to their friends. Mmm. That would be the unions, the bureaucrats, the lawyers, the consultants, the regulators, and all the special interest friends who make living in this state such a frustrating, maddening experience.

It's why the railroads don't get built, the potholes don't get filled, the homeless don't get housed, the kids don't learn. Did you know that a black fourth grader in Mississippi is two and a half times as likely to be proficient in math and reading as one in California? Mississippi is kicking our ass in education and for way less money. We're thirty seventh in fourth grade reading. They're ninth.

Texas is kicking our ass in green energy. The average time to get solar panels connected there was three to four months. About a thousand days faster than it took me. Remember when I was trying to get my solar hooked up? It would have been quicker to build a windmill.

So Texas has passed California in solar and blows away California when it comes to wind and energy storage. How does a state with no pro-climate policies produce better climate results than a state We're here, even though we have so much better stickers on our bumper preus uh whatever. Bumper stickers are not creasy, you know what I'm saying. Thank you.

I'll tell you why, because you're allowed to build there. Because every third person in Texas isn't someone whose job it is to make sure nothing gets done. Democrats, these are your issues. Education, race, the environment, and I say this with love. You're losing to the Waffle House car on the lawn stage. All right, that's our show. I want to thank my guests.

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