Vindication for Britney

going to today? We're gonna be discussing Britney Spears, Travis Scott, Kyle Rittenhouse, and we've got a couple of call in cases which we'll get to a little later. And first i'd like to say welcome back to me. I just got back from New York. Oh dear lord, how do I think the real crime is that anyone lives there and survives. I think the real crime is because you're just returning from there, that we're doing a podcast when it's dark out and normally I'm about to be in

my second rem cycle. You know, I know this is kind of a weird thing to say, but I didn't notice that you had a Widow's peak until you put your hair up. You know what, it's not that common. It's not Fran Drescher. There's just a couple of us. One time somebody asked if I would get it if I wanted to get it waxed off when they were doing my eyebrows, and I was like, you know what, I'm going to take offense to that, but I don't imagine it growing in would look that great, So I'm

just gonna let it ride. Thank god. Cute. Yeah, you, Fran Drescher and Dracula are the only three people like that happened. It doesn't like any monster have one too. I mean, it's all good company, it's all. I mean, it's more than Dmitri hilarious. Well you could maybe you had one. We don't know. This is a cold case right here. All right, guys, we have to focus because I am so deep down the obsession. When it comes to the correlation between Travis Scott and Britney Spears, do

you guys happen to know what that is? Um? Both of them have received flowers from Christian Jenner. No, they both have been made that up? They out right? That did sound right? No, both of them have ties to Lou Taylor Detective Teddy. I am you know, I've I've gone so deep in regards to falling. There's someone named house Inhabit on Instagram. You guys should follow us. I am obsessed with her account, so now you can't even

I can't even search her and find her. I can only find her through our old d M s and then I can click through it. So something's going on here, and I've noticed that a lot of people haven't really been talking about it. I feel like TikTok has been popping off about Travis Scott, but not necessarily Instagram. Is that does that feel true? That does feel true? And the couple of people that have talked about it on Instagram have been shadow band. But I know we've got

to wait. We're gonna have somebody that actually attended the Travis Scott concert or he's going to be on with us, so we should probably talk a little bit more about the updates on Brittany. My favorite thing was that you were like, you, guys, we have to focus, and then you immediately were like, let's talk about two cases at the same time. But Brittany seems to be very thrilled that the can servitorship is over. She's very excited for her lawyer that he stepped in and did this. I

also just I'm worried too. Well, before you voice your concerns, which are already valid, I would like to say that I was so saddened by the headline that said she enjoyed her first glass of champagne. I know every single movement, every moment in her life has been watched and monitored.

She's basically been living in a fish bowl. She has been elaborate and as someone who was, you know, essentially robbed of a regular childhood like a lot of child actors and child stars are, she was then robbed of an adulthood and she was infantilized. And I think the hashtag free Brittany movement really took off from social media. That is an example of a case where hashtag went viral and brought the awareness of what was going on

to the greater good. Because the greater good well, honestly, yeah, because fans really helped make this happen. And it's so interesting to watch because I remember hearing that Brittany was really quietly trying to handle it herself. She was not trying to cause a commotion, and it was really the general public that stirred up this whole tragedy that was happening in her life. Jamie Spears was getting sixteen thousand

dollars a month. What about it? I mean, I think we can all agree is enough to you know, live very comfortably. Yeah, but I'm also going to buy a Ben's on it in the first paycheck. But but also what kind of blew me aways? You know, we had all been talking about Jamie Spears, that had been like the main focus. But then when Brittany did her post where she said like it was actually all my mom. My mom was the one that came up with all of this, and you know, she's the real, the real

problem here. And my dad wasn't smart enough to even come up with this. And you know, you want to hope that at the beginning of all of this they felt that in his soul. Yeah, I'm sure sure he felt that gut punch you my dad's too much of a ding dong to have thought about robbing me of my money. When my kids say that, I definitely feel it.

I feel every job my kids always say. But I think that it's so you want to hope that at the beginning of the conservatorship that when they decided to do that, it really was to protect Brighton, and it just spiral and then people got greedy, and then people got out of control and really took advantage of her. But I think that the fact that Matthew Rosengart was able to do this and then but he keeps talking about a safety net that has been provid. Yes, so

what exactly is that. I think what that means is that it goes into her trust, so that there's a certain amount of money she still can't access for a certain period of time. I believe this to be true. It may not be true. We will have to confirm later. Unless to me, Dmitri is nodding silently like he thinks that I'm correct as well. But essentially I think that I do that all the time. Though, But I did see, I did see everything about a trust and the money

goes to trust. So I think that I think you're right. That is the safety net. Yeah, just to make sure that she doesn't go buck wild and just blow it

all on something ridiculous. I wasn't allowed to buy sketchers or sushi more than one time a week when she let you guys know, well, they were just stopping her from getting mercury poisoning like everyone else in l A. But I just want to let you guys know that Britney Spears has been my icon for as long as I can rem remember, for as long as I can remember. I'm gone and I have to quit comedy now. I'm

so sorry. But my childhood bedroom was covered in wall to wall photos, floor to ceiling photos, inside of closet, door photos, locker photos, anything you could think of with Brittany on it. And I will be humble to show you a photo of my childhood bedroom. Maybe I'll just send that to you guys after and let's just do a little insert to show the insanity to which I

loved her. I always thought I was going to grow up to be a Jewish Britney Spears close now you host a true time podcast, and so I mean I I was just really hoping that a man that I don't love watches my every move as well. But it hasn't come to fruition for me yet. You know, she's trying to get out of a conservatorship. I'm trying to get into one. It's it's one's game at this point. But I adore her and I'm just so happy to see what she does with her freedom. I hope that

she continues to perform and create. But I remember reading a headline a couple of months ago in an article about how she said she needed to just live her life and take some time off. And who knows where she's a mentally, But I am looking forward to seeing what she does with her life now that she's totally free to do as she pleases. Um, I do too, and I think that I hope that there's so many exciting things to come, and I hope that she's feeling

good and that she's you know, she's engaged. She's got so many positive things ahead of her. Sam is so hot, hot, and I think I saw that he's cast in another new movie. So him, you're no good for him. Um. But we do have to take a little break because we have Max, who was at Astro World, coming in to join us. Okay, so we're gonna be talking about Travis Scott next. Stay tuned, we will b RB. Yeah.

Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime. It's me Lee Lamar Teddy Mellencamp and Dmitri and we are very excited to speak to our next guest, Max Byrne, who was actually at the Astro World festival. As you know, that's where Travis Scott was performing and where a tragedy occurred. And so far nine deaths have happened. It's actually ten deaths as of today. Now. It's heartbreaking. It is a his name is Ezra Blown and I think he's ten

years old. He was there with his dad. It's so heartbreaking. He was on his dad's shoulders far back, and it's they purposely to and go up to the front because they wanted to avoid the chaos. Yeah, and so I just think the number is going to keep rising. But yes we should. We should bring Max and and talk to him about his experiences and and kind of go from there. All right, well let's bring Max in. I'm looking forward to hearing his perspective on what happened on

the ground. Hi guys, Hi, all right, can when you talk to us a little bit about Astro World please? Yeah, I mean, what do you have any specific questions or anything? Like I just wanted first here, like as you're walking in your immediate reaction to what you saw, what you witnessed, what time you got there. That that beginning part. So I went out to Astro World on kind of like a bachelor party kind of thing. My friends getting married

soon and he's a big Travis Scott fan. So we all flew out to Houston and the first day we show up kind of midday and catch Don Toliver, who was like an artist or two before Travis Scott, and coming into the grounds, we it seems like a regular festival, you know. Um there was security at the gate and everything like that, and we passed through COVID checks. It felt safe. But once Don Tuliver, who was another Houston rappers, started, that's when you started realizing, Oh, it's like it's kind

of crazy here. Like you get so jammed up in this crowd, you're like sardines. You know. I'm sure you guys have been to shows too like that. Um, Dmitri never No, I'm okay, okay, um, but yeah, so uh so Don Tlver was the first rapper that we realized like, oh, like the crowd is kind of crazy, but maybe we just haven't been to a show for a while because

it's been covid Um. But then a few hours later Scincessus finishing up and then we're working our way over to the other stage to go see Travis, and there's a huge crowd, and then once he goes on, everyone starts rushing, trying to get as close to is they can to the stage, you know, And once again it still felt fine. But as the night went on, it's just you get more and more jam packed, and we're

about like thirty ft away from the stage. And at one point, once I realized something was going wrong, is Drake came out, which was amazing, and and then I but I looked at my right while they're performing Way Too Sexy, which is like one of Drake's big songs, the Future, and there's two guys getting CPR done next to us, like this out cold, and and then and then I just started realizing there's something going on, Like there's like unconscious people being crowd surf out by us,

people trying to get out like they're two. They're stressing out in the crowd and some people I can't breathe and things like that, and um, yeah, I mean I think that's the image that just burned in my mind is just I heard chanting of like, please stop the show, please stop the show, that kind of thing. And then we look over and there's two guys are just like I'm pretty sure they died, to be honest, next to us, and just seeing them trying to get resuscitated while the

show's still going. And then we see like an ambulance trying to go through the crowd. Um And at one point Travis stopped the show once or twice, but there's a there's this kind of eerie video where he's looking out in the crowd and sees this dude who's like unconscious being crowdsurfed out, and he's standing there and then he just like starts the next song. And I don't know, I mean, people are seeing it from all kinds of different angles, but I'm sure you guys are kept up

with the news. I mean, there's more and more people that are dying from the event. A nine year old died recently, which is tragic, and I think it there's a lot of things involved with it, but I think the big problem with the event is just the layout of the stage and having fifty people just crushing in on a stage, and then the medical staff not being able to get in there fast enough, the security guards

not being able to stop the crunch. Everyone's hearing about um, and wasn't it didn't he tweet out like break through the barricades, come in, And I mean he was also arrested for that in two thousand and fifteen and in two thousand and seventeen for saying similar things, one time at Astro World itself and the other time at Lollapalooza. So this has been a common occurrence. Well, that's kind of like with his branding, like all of his fans,

like he calls him ragers and things like that. I've I've been to one of his shows when he was first at the Observatory, so I've kind of seen it from like when he was smaller to now. It's just so crazy, And that's always been kind of like a thing with his branding. It's almost like a punk rock band,

but for rappers. You know, people, if that's your branding, fine, but then somebody that whoever puts on this event has to be prepared to speak to the stage or something, because let's listen, I'm not defending one way or the other. If people are chanting, maybe he doesn't hear what they're chanting. Maybe he doesn't know why an artist doesn't just stop

the show because people are chanting stuff the show. But if that's the brand of that stuff that's happened in the past, they should be prepared for that kind of ship exactly. And and I was looking. I just did like a deep dive on Twitter and TikTok, and I saw this one. E MT posted a few videos and he was talking about he he at the end of his uh you know, response to the event, was blaming

the crowd for just being too rowdy. But in the same video, he also said that the walkie talkies weren't working properly, the music was too loud so they couldn't hear the calls for backup. And while he was going into to the crowd to go and help people, he was coming up on multiple other people who needed CPR to get rushed out on the stretcher and they didn't have enough stretchers and things like that, at least from his account. And I mean not to make this about

personal experience, but I my dad is a musician. His name's John Mellencamp, and he was on tour with Bob Dylan once and I when I watched my dad, I used to always sit on this one and like soundbox, it's kind of far away. Just that was like the place we always sat his kids, so he could look over and see us. However, we stayed there when Bob Dylan came on, and it was far away from where he was, and within seven minutes of his show starting, security had come over to us and said, hey, um,

you're making him nervous sitting there. You hop down. And so I think that people are very aware of what's going on in front of them, Like it's not like you can't see anything. Like that's the part that really confuses me. Like you see, you see an ambulance, you see somebody come onto the stage and say something to him and him tell him to stop. And then we

know that Live Nation was alerted. And then they played for thirty seven more minutes allegedly, and then went to an after party, and then went to an after party closted by Drake alleged. Allegedly, they had no idea. Max. From your perspective, do you feel like it's possible that he had no clue? I don't see how he wouldn't

know that there was something wrong going on. I think a lot like possibly he just like our group, we didn't realize how bad it was until we got back and started reading stories, like we thought, like seeing those guys getting CPR done next to us, I was like, oh, like hopefully they survived, Like I don't really know what happened there, Like maybe that was just you know, the

emergency event of the night, like the only one. But then you read these other stories and then you read about this crunch that was supposedly like right on the stage, and it's like, how would you not see that while

you're performing? Right? Is is is that kind of what you're saying, Teddy, That's what I'm saying, Like, as a performer, your job is to relate to the crowd, to make the crowd feel like you're all together, to you know, make that eye contact that could maybe feel like you change somebody's life or whatever it may be. But that also involves safety. I mean I even watched the video of Asap Rocky where he saw something going on and he was like

stop it now, you know, like screaming at people. We see now countless musicians having to stop it at you know the time. But the part that makes me sad, or the part that makes me even more worried is like it is as if violence is encouraged because that's what makes money. And then the collaboration with better help to anybody was involved saying that you know, he'll provide one month of therapy, as if you're in this huge tragedy,

that one month of therapy is going to do the track. Yeah, I mean there's definitely PTSD from the event with people. I mean I feel like I have like a touch of it. And then one of my friends, I believe from his story, he said like when he was because he we got split off from our group, and he said that he saw a golf card go by with this body on that was just like blew in the face. And I'm sure that that does something to you when you see that. You know, when you pay for a show,

you don't expect to go get traumatized. There's the whole. Also, Max, you did use the phrase burned into my memory. Yeah, so I saw you. I clocked that immediately and I was like, oh no, you know. I mean also one month of therapy is I mean, that's like a that's in my opinion, a big fu because what is one month that's like it doesn't make the problem go away.

It's almost like an empty gesture in my opinion. But and I wasn't there, but when I read the story about the dad and the nine year old dad got knocked out and he couldn't find his son and then they finally found him in the hospital. Now sadly he's

passed away. Like I I have PTSD from that just from reading that, like people that were there that were part of that, like that's and then also the girl who they showed on the stretcher and then they dropped her and now that woman is another one has passed away and you see her crying parents. I mean, I think you have to hope that when you were going to a festival and you're going to the con sert,

like your your safety shouldn't be the biggest problem. That's never been even a thought in my mind to think about my safety when I buy a ticket to somewhere, and now I feel like it has to be for a lot of people. You know, And I have to ask you a question, was there like a loud so a lot of the conspiracy conspiracy theorist that who knows if that's what they are have been talking about something

like a sound torture when you've arrived. Was there like a screeching loud noise like a death whistle, super high frequency noises? I don't necessarily, I don't know what a death whistle sounds like, but it's probably good. But if

you ever met Voldemort? Okay, no, not yet. But they were playing like weird e d M music at a stage, and maybe that's what people are describing like it was literally like really eerie, like almost like trance like e d M, like some high pitch beats and stuff like that, which seem kind of weird to me because it's a rap show where there are a lot of dogs going crazy in the background. I don't know, but I don't know.

I'm really interested, though, Like Teddy, have you talked to your dad about this at all, like and got his standpoint on safety and like what went down? I haven't talked to him about it solely because you know, I'm like a high anxiety person. My dad also has anxiety, and I feel like something like this would really you know, like he has his certain things when he goes on stage. He's very aware. He has like certain routines he follows

before he starts. He also has like really high security, and I think that that's something that also I've heard about at this festival that it was the security was there was not enough. I mean, yeah, I feel like the security was a bit of a joke because I mean, you guys have what you were talking about, Um, how he encourages you know, encourages violence or to break the

goods and things like that. Almost in every show he has, like fans just rushed the security and just pushed through, and there's a bunch of videos of it, and it's just crazy, Like the security legit got overwhelmed. And it's supposed to be like a COVID safe event too, right, So there goes that. And did they ask you to see like your PCR test? Yeah, so they were following those, yeah, vaxxcards and uh COVID tests. Yeah. But did you see people breaking down the fence to get in without checking

in through the proper channels? No? No, it was all fine when I walked in, But I think that happened as the day went on and it got closer to Travis's you know, did you see any sort of acknowledgement from Travis of inciting violence, and we know his lyrics. You know, there's a song Stargazer that was in where one of the lyrics was it ain't a mosh pit, if ain't no injuries. Do you feel like he was encouraging it at all from the stage that night? I also know and have heard that the stage looked and

felt dem on it. Did you also feel that way with the cross going into a tunnel of hell? From what everyone was saying and describing it as Okay, No, I did not really catch onto the whole demonic tones that everyone's talking about, Like my sister went down the whole rabbit hole and sent me so many photos and things about that. But I can see where it comes from, and I almost feel like he pokes fun at it or there might be something going on there like he does.

It does have like some demonic or dark undertones to his marketing the stage design um. But yeah, in terms of inciting violence, I don't think there was really like a specific moment where he did it that night, but there are videos of him, you know, like there was there's one video on YouTube where someone tried to steal a shoe and then he commanded the whole audience to

beat the ship out of the guy in front of him. Yeah. Like, I mean, so, where do you guys stand now when it comes to festivals, when it comes to bringing your I mean taking your kids to the things. Like I you would think that you were going to tend and it's gonna be okay. So now that since you've been there, I know you don't have kids, but what would you say your comfort level is ongoing again. I mean, I feel like Astro World's out the books in the future.

But we my girlfriend and I we've never been to Coachella, so that was on our list this year. But now I kind of want to think twice about it. But at the same time, I mean, the night that I was hearing about all the accidents in the medical emergencies from Astro World, I was looking up other festivals and it's maybe one death happens in like ten years, right, I like Coachella. That's kind of what I was reading

up on. Is that sound right? Well? I was reading up on that too, and I saw something which I guess and his most and Travis Scott's most recent video. He was wearing a pearl jam uh concert t And the last time that there was like mass deaths was at a Pearl jam. Uh why am I blak festival? Like what however many years ago? So it's people are saying, was this some sort of past reference on knowing that

this happened? And it's just I don't know. There's just so many things that just make me really concerned about my kids, really concerned about sending my kids to something, because especially the older I get, the less I know about the different artists that they're into and what they

promote and things like that, what they're into. There was also conspiracy around the fact that people were being injected with some sort of chemical that was creating I mean, from what I was hearing, there were so many people going into cardiac arrest. Yeah, and so do you think

that there's some truth to that? I Mean my first thought when I heard about them calling it a mass casualty event and the deaths and thinking about the people next to us that needed CPR, I was like, well, the I felt like we were squeezed together and like our for example, but it wasn't where I couldn't breathe. So I'm like, man, were those two people next to us,

like did they get a bad batch of drugs? Like you hear a lot about fent at all and that stuff happening, um, and then you hear this rumor about the injections And I don't know if that was like made up by the event to try to take off some of that blame or anything like that. But I mean, I don't know. The only the only time I ever heard about that was on the news and then supposedly a security guard got injected, but now the yeah, it wasn't. So I don't really know what to make of that. Now.

I hope that's not true. That's really scary, um. But yeah, no, I I didn't have any experience running in with anything like that. I mean, I also think something strange that I heard, And maybe this is regular protocol because they don't want to incite further panic, But the way that they were speaking about people who were passed out on the floor or any sort of person that needed help was by calling them a smurf on their radio system.

And I found that even oddly disturbing. Right for to use the word smurf as a code word for someone who may be dead. Yeah, I have no clue I mean, I feel like that just goes hand in hand with the medicals. I honestly feel like the medical staff just wasn't equipped the handle of the event properly. That like, I feel like that's one of the biggest issues. And not only that, but they didn't have like the proper

channeling to get through the audience in an efficient way. Um. But now I don't really know the smurf thing though, It's just it just sounds weird. Well, you could also see the guy standing up on the ledge, the guy there was a guy and a girl standing up with somebody video and just like screaming they're dead, They're dead. Stop. And the cameraman video right yeah, with the cameraman video. I mean, it's there's so many different things that you

see and it's it's so disturbing. UM. Just is our final like question for you before we take a break. How are you actually feeling? Um? I don't know. I

feel like I get uh. I would say the first day after we tried to act like everything was fine, but I feel like as we thought about like what happened and thinking about the people next to us, I talked about the whole image burned in my head with the people getting CPR next to us and things like that, walking like coming back from the trip once we touched down, kind of started thinking like, I mean, I'm definitely gonna have to deal with something from that, Like mentally, I

feel like just because it's like like you said, it's kind of stuck in my head now, you know, like more than one three month of yeah, well, well I think shock, and then it's trauma, and then it's having to process it shock trauma, anger. I mean, I had a whole day where I was just really frustrated, like and just trying to think of what could be the

solution for this, you know. Um. And then I also I was talking to my mom about the whole story, and then we were talking for a while about it and I ended up crying a little bit just because I just you almost feel like a little bit of survivors gill. Like I've heard that that um term before, and like obviously it's not like not everyone was dying around us, you know, but you almost feel bad like, wow, people so close to us, like literally feet away from us,

died and then we came back from the event. Fine, Um, but I don't I don't know that there's a lot of thoughts going on in my mind about the whole thing, but I think it's getting better as time goes by. But well, we appreciate you coming on and sharing with us and talking to us about this, and we wish you the best, and we hope that we can we can talk to you soon under other circumstances. I mean, that sounds good. Thanks. Thanks for being so vulnerable and

open and honest. We hope you feel better soon. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys, It's a pleasure by Max. I do all right, Teddy Dmitri. I think it's best if we take a quick break and we'll come right back. All right, everyone, welcome back to Real Time Crime. It's us your favorite true crime comedy Maniacs. Oh my gosh, hey guys, welcome back to to Brunettes and the bald Um. I yeah, we were just talking off the air quickly about how I was supposed be in Houston that weekend,

and it just that was very dark. I'm still feeling that conversation that we had. I know, right when we asked him how he was feeling, and then you could see his demeanor shift. I was like, my heart I know there's so I mean, think about it, there's over fifty you know, over fifty thou people that were there that feel that same way he does. This isn't this isn't the ten people that have passed away. This is

so much more too. So it's just Travis Scott was a lot of people therapy also, you know, not to try to compare myself at all to um the level of Travis Scott or any you know, wherever he's at. But it's interesting because when you're on a stage and the light is just on you, you can still see, you can still see. And if people started charging the stage. You know, I was playing the Cosmopolitan in Vegas, which is around three thousand seat theater. If people started charging

the stage, I would get uncomfortable. But he's asking for it. That's the difference. The differences. You don't you don't feel like, oh, these people are beating up on each other. For me, you don't have that weird. I don't even know what to call him. He has a comfortability with violence, and that is terrifying to me. And people are showing what type of fans they are by the more violence they can create. I prefer fans that um are too tired

to stand up. You'd prefer fans that you know, we'll give you laughs at your jokes or even half laughs from that. Yeah, they're too tired to laugh. They're too tired. It's just they can't get up. Um. All right, I think it's time for us to pivot over to our boy, Kyle Rittenhouse. Oh boy, So, I think everyone has kind of been waiting for this trial for a while now, And just for anyone who may not know what's happening,

here a quick summary. Kyle Rittenhouse was the r Illinois teenager who killed two people and wounded another during unresting Kenosha, Wisconsin, last summer. He went on trial Monday on homicide charges. He's now eighteen, and he's accused of fatally shooting Anthony Huber who's twenty six, Joseph Rosenbaum is thirty six, and wounding Gauge Gross Skurts, who's twenty seven. And I mean, we're still getting in real time news about this case

and about how the court proceedings are going. And I mean, feel free to jump right in at any point, but I think we can all agree there there are a couple of angles here that are disturbing. First of all, Judge Schroeder seems to be losing it a little bit. He a Teddy sent us a video because Teddy is a incredible detective. She found this video of Schroeder just losing his SOT mid sentence and then trying to somehow come out of it with a talking about sentencing someone

to to life for murder. And I was like, I lost myself there for a second. I'm like, you're not in the real time crime pod when like move for the comedy store. But this is not this is not the time. I mean, I think, first and foremost, for me, kids should not have accessibility to semi automatic rifles. They

just shouldn't and it really infuriates me. But also as I was doing my research on him, and you know, yes, the judge being a hot mess, but every witness that hit the now I'm blanking now, I'm like the judge the stand. Every witness that went onto the stand, including Gauge, one of the people shot, turned into a defense witness, which was surprising, which I had never read anything about before until I started really listening. He said, listen, you know we were coming at him, and I pointed my

rifle at him, and that's why he shot right. And I think no one in their right mind ever thought that this would turn into a self defense case, especially because he walked out of his house wearing backwards hat. That's pretty casual in my opinion. You know, Dmitri, you should go pretend to be a policeman, Like, don't go there with that, like it's it's it's it's not for you to do. It's not your job. And you know,

you go back and you see that. You know, a while ago he had made a comment about a like on a Facebook past when CVS had been robbed, and he said like, oh I wish I could get and I wish I had my gun then and I would have taken care of that. Um. So you know he's going in, you know, thinking to to protect whatever is being looted. But it's just the amount of catastrophe that

comes after it is worse than the looting. Well, Rosenbaum apparently was completely unarmed and through what they allegedly think is a plastic bag at him and then written house shot him. And then he immediately called someone and said I just killed somebody. Well, so one of them also hit him with a skateboard on the head. That was the second. Yeah, there was I think that was Huber. Okay, well, you stay home, you don't get hit with a skateboard

in the head. But it doesn't mean that because you own a gun that you show up and and and all of a sudden to take the place of like the in charge commando. Like that's insane. Well also, he left the scene still armed and walked towards police officers with his hands up, but the police just passed him by without arresting him. He did turn himself in the next day. I mean, I think there were multiple people as far as I've seen, that had guns. But that

also makes me question why you're not. I mean because I was looking at the different laws in the different states on how old you have to be to have a gun, and there's all these like, oh, you don't even have to be with a parent if you're hunting, but like you could be twelve years old in some states and have a gun as long as you're hunting, you know. But it's I just think, but the fact that you can't even drive it, like all the other things that you can't do without a parent until a

certain age. But a gun is okay, it's so it's too accessible. You could buy a gun at Walmart, that's how easy it is to get them. And rifle, I mean, what civilians should not have access to assault rifles, especially he's under eighteen. I think that takes the Second Amendment a little far. And someone who's not even trained to do such a thing making it there. He was given a bottle of water from the police. Um at one point before that. If this this a whole this whole

thing is a huge mix up. Now I want to ask you, guys, what did you think about his I almost had performance but whatever when he was on the stand, when he was sobbing and having a mental breakdown and will not mental breakdown, well, I mean been there, done that. But um yeah, I mean he's a better actor than most people in Hollywood. I I don't know. I I

think that he probably does feel terribly. I think that it doesn't excuse what he did, but I think that he probably he I mean, he is a kid, and he acted poorly, and you have to also, you know, he regardless of what happens, that was a crime. And I think that if you are a kid, that you think it's okay that you can have a gun and go out and take matters into your own hands. That comes with how you were raised. And I don't know, I just I don't think it comes out of nowhere.

This case is really heartbreaking to me because I don't think this was one of those situations where he sought out to go kill people, but he brought it a gun with him. I think that was I mean, that was what the group was doing to protect that. I think that he originally thought that he was going to use the gun not to shoot people. But I don't know. I really don't, but I you know what I think.

I think in my opinion, you know, it almost like takes me back to Brian Laundry, thinking about someone who's too much of a coward too take accountability and go to the police and say this is what I've done. And so for Kyle Writtenhouse to turn himself in, I don't want to say, oh, that's so big of him, but it shows and it shows remorse, and you know, I think that, yes, he should have never had that gun. Yes he should have never thought he could do any

of it. That being said, it could have potentially happened because people were coming at him and he felt what they continued to say on one of the things that I was reading, not that this makes it okay, but that all three people that were shot were convicted felons, one was a child molester, one like these weren't necessarily

good guys. And then what ended up happening in the media was because this was all during BLM, everybody was calling him a white supremacist, but all three people that were shot were white, just well, and and so that that is something that I think can be askewed because that you know, he wasn't. It does not make it okay that they were falons, but it makes it clear that in the media things can be skewed to not

get the proper information out there. Maybe his mom should not have given him a ride to go there with his gun, maybe, right, Yeah, I mean it's also interesting because I I mentally can't put myself in their shoes. I always try to see the other side's perspective, and in this perspective, you know, I'm trying to think, maybe, you know, she really thought they were doing the right thing, and that looks different to different people. You know, That's not how I would respond to the situation. But I

can't put my po V on every single person. You know, in the third person written how shot gauge gross crits. He survived, and he testified on Monday that it wasn't until he pointed his own gun at ritten house that he fired. And so, I mean he had a glock nineteen and he pointed it at a young boy and so it was on the ground, and his self defense case is looking pretty real at that point. Well, with closing statements beginning Monday, where do you think it's headed.

I think he is going to win. I think it's I think it might be marked up to self defense as I don't know though, I mean I was wrong one other time. I I don't know that I have been so it's I'm not going to answer this line because I don't want it to be today, but I think the entire thing is just so heartbreaking and I don't know what's going to happen. But I do know if you are a parent listening to this, don't let

your kids have guns. There's absolutely no reason for it, because especially with the video games and all the things that kids are doing where they think they are saving the world. It creates this false persona and kids, and we've got to stop it because that it starts at home. And if you live in the middle of nowhere and your kid has a gun to go hunting, don't drive

him to a giant protest out of state. And let's also you know, just in closing, I also think that you know there are emotions for mistrials and that the line of questioning during cross examination was being admonished by the judge, and I think I think they're trying to paint the picture that he did not kill these people in self defense, obviously, and I think what has happened is that he has a pretty good case at this

point two. And I feel like we're going to have to once we get once, once it comes with, once the answer comes back, we're gonna have to talk about this again. Should we just make our predictions and then see who's right to see who's wrong? Not a fun game. I mean, I feel like we might all say the same thing, though, which makes it Where are you Dmitri? Here's what I think. I think. I do not think that that he should just get off completely self defense.

You put yourself in that scenario. That's not a scenario you needed to be in and and unfortunately it went the way it went. So I don't think it's just cut and dry. I don't think it's like, well they attacked you, Well, you put yourself there with a gun. You're at home watching nov with your family. That doesn't happen, So you went there with a gun. Yeah. Sorry, things do happen that you don't expect. You're not in control of every situation. So if he's completely off on self defense,

I will have a huge problem with that. Yeah, I think there's got to be somewhere in the middle. Do I think he, you know, went out and hopes to kill No? Do I think he tried? Yeah? I don't. I can't answer. I can't answer. I just need to wait. Okay, but should we get to our voicemails? We should. I also just wanted to pull focus back to something that I heard earlier that I wanted to just reiterate, um that Max has a girlfriend. Did you guys recall hearing that?

I didn't. I didn't want to interrupt the emotion that he had, But when he said that, I saw your face kind of like I saw the entire thing. I was like looking I actually looked down on my phone to see if I could pull off texting you, Leah Summer. I was expectingly to be like, Okay, thank you, Max, thanks for your time today. I hope you get over

your trauma. But you know he's really not my type, right, Well, why he's not a comedian or because he's like emotions, it's he lived in the apartment that they just say, okay, it seems like he has a bed frame and more than two pillows. Oh my goodness. So you guys, I think the biggest crime of today is knowing that Max has a girlfriend. I know, well, you're you're flirting with Max made us run over. So we can't even go to our first voicemail to cover the very good crime

that is actually from my hometown. So we'll have to get into that next week. You guys, okay, but we don't want to discourage people from calling it because we will get to your voicemails. So make sure to call eight six six one crime. Let us know about cases you've heard about, or if you've got any questions, comments, concerns having to do with anything that you heard. Actually, don't leave that voicemail that sounds boring, but if you do have something you'd like for us to chat about.

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