Too Much Crime... Not Enough Time

thought I was gonna pause again? Didn't you know you can do the thing that you Teddy Meloncamp, I actually was trying something else out, but thanks for blowing my cover. I felt like maybe something was wrong. I was just checking in. You know what something is wrong? You guys? Like, normally I'm researching crimes and I feel so therapeutic to me. And I think because the holidays are coming up and so many crimes are coming in, I like have anxiety

with how much has happened. Like my husband came in, He's like, you don't look like you slept for days the podcast, I'm like, I know, there's just so many crimes. There's so much. I mean, it feels like it's tripling. I agree, especially in Los Angeles. That's number one where I think apparently now we're officially known as Gotham City, some pretty bleak here in l A. But I think we should talk about our first crime, which is the

fact that I'm not dressed as Elizabeth Holmes. What's the what you had something else you had to do today that you can wear a black turtleneck. Thank you. I while I do want everyone to think that I only wear black turtlenecks, and yes I do own fourteen of them, I think that's actually starting to become a mental illness. It's actually I have a black turtleneck for every occasion. I've got a I've got a crop top black turtleneck, I have a dress turtleneck. I have a sleeveless turtleneck there.

This is like you even have a mock turtleneck on currently. Yeah, I know, thank you. Well, that's me with hoodies every day. I just can't. It's this is my this is my um, this is my attire, this is my Elizabeth Holmes is different hoodies and different colors. It works for you. I just think that I think turtlenext frame your face well, and we know because Galaine Maxwell, I almost said, jis Lane. What's wrong with me? But that's what we want to call her. We want to call her jis Lane. We

want to call her jis Lane. We we want to call her a lot of things, especially after the additional updates that we've been seeing on the trial, not really from press, but yeah, but more of the story is she also always wears turtlenecks for the most part, and I think they just make you look sexier, and so does Elizabeth Holmes. There's a theme here, and so maybe I will become a criminal podcasts, I commit crimes when

I wear children. Next after you've had a couple of kids, and it's some extra next like there is no like I'm like this, but you know, speaking of crimes that are mysteriously discharged, we've got O. J. Simpson. Why don't you let me why it was I allowed to do a segue because I felt like you were doing a nice job of it. So continue on, Dmitri. I've never seen you roll your eyes harder to just pop a blood vessel in your eye. Okay, continue on with O J. Okay,

Teddy wants to kill me. They're gonna be there's gonna be another crime on this podcast. Okay, so O J. Simpson is once again a freeman. Also, that's already a hilarious statement. He was discharged from his parole two months early, and I would just like for everyone to take note, just to take note. He was acquitted in but two years later lost a civil trial and he was ordered to pay thirty three point five million dollars and damages. So he technically was held accountable for the murders. But

for some reason that has just always been overlooked. Anyway, So he was on parole and then released from prison in seventeen for the Las Vegas kidnapping an armed robbery in two thousand seven, and his parole was scheduled to end February nine. But on November thirty, the Nevada Board of Pearl Commissioners held a quote unquote early discharge hearing for Simpson after receiving a written recommendation from the Nevada Division of Parole and Probation. So they said that the

decision to grant early discharge from parole was ratified. Um basically, the board voted on unanimous release of Simpson and he only served nine of a thirty three year sentence. So I'm not sure if you remember this, but he was released in October of that year because also during a robbery in two thousand seven, he was part of a group that raided a hotel and casino to steal sports

memorabilia at gunpoint. So, for those of you who are unfamiliar, Simpson, who starred for the Buffalo Bills in nineteen seventies and is the twenty one leading rusher in NFL history, said that the items belonged to him. And Simpson spent a lifetime in the limelight, first for his athletic prowess in college and the NFL, and then as an actor and pitchman, and then as a murder suspect in killing of his ex wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman.

I actually am always triggered by this because my legal last name is Goldman, no relation. I just had to make this about me somehow, thank you. And he pleaded a hundred percent not guilty, of course, and then that's when he was acquitted and then two years later lost the civil trial. What do we think did he serve his time with? He let off easy? What's our o J decision? Well, I actually making it about me. I have met O J. Simpson. Uh huh, yeah, do you

remember the restaurant? I mean it might still be open COI. It's on La Siennaga. It used to be like the sushi hot spot. I was there and O J. Simpson was there as well, And to me, this is a crime. Without anybody asking. He just started asking people if they wanted to take his picture, and I was like, who does that? It's one thing if somebody comes up and they're like, Hi, nice to meet you, I'm your biggest fan. Can I take your picture? Or it's just I'm your

biggest fan. You can tell they're nervous. They want to get your picture, but they're scared to ask. That was not happening. He was just sitting at the table, arms wide, like who wants the cher So he was trying to wait. So he was trying to be a mall Santa pretty much. I mean it was so uncomfortable that and and everybody's like, you know at this time, I mean, I don't remember what year this was. How how old do you think I am? Dmitri hilarious Dmitri that I was like fourteen.

This is one of those times when sometimes Dmitri and not. Sometimes. I remember the o J case because we all went to library and watched the like at in high school and watched like the Chase from the Yes, that was the only place get a TV at my school, so we all went there to watch it. But no, um and now everyone has a TV in their hand at all times. Correct. But yeah, that that happened with o J. I personally think, if you keep committing crimes, maybe you

shouldn't keep getting let out early. If you commit the crimes, you do the time he doesn't. Maybe it's just bad luck follows him. And you know, this is a jury of his peers, the three of us, and we are sentencing him back to jail. But you know, I do think the mall Santa moment is a little ridiculous. Did anyone sit on his lap? And he's like, all I want for Christmas is the charges dropped. The What I can say is that people did take him up on

the offer. Oh my god, I know I was like, I'll just have a spicy tuna crispy rice, thank you, hilarious. Ted Bundy was there. I would have done it. He was hot. Yeah, this is something that's an inside voice We've talked about this about saying mass murderers were hot or attractive or sexy. We're trying not to do that a little lesslie, I remember, we're going to try to do that a little less. This next we're going to

have to go through very quickly. Um. But while we're on the topic of NFL players, Kevin Wears missing girlfriend. They think that they found her remains and he is already in jail, denied bail because of his involvement in Pomaski's death. Ah. I feel like the part that's very bizarre to me is how long went before her parents

made her missing. Carson, I agree with that completely. The first time I saw the story was that she was last seen on April, but her family filed the missing person's report on May tenth, only after realizing that she didn't contact them on Mother's Day. Yeah, and I'm like, this sounds really narcissistic. They're like, um, this is weird. We didn't get a press in where are my roses? I mean, this it's it's it's a hard tell. Yeah, but I mean he he already, he already has history.

I'm trying to figure out how to say this about getting trouble. He already has a history of abuse towards her, according to her friends. Right, And he was also arrested on drug charges and weapon charges in April, and then he was released on bond but then arrested again for failing to appear in court. So kind of seems like he's a repeat offender. It was just showing like lack showing lack of empathy for sure. I mean, failing to show up in court already says something. But also I

have a question. If your girlfriend is missing that long, aren't you the one to maybe contact your parents and or the police. I mean, maybe you can say with the parents, not contact. Maybe they don't have that type of relationship where they talk all the time. However, if that is your significant other, you're talking and last year was leaving a party and it's just disturbing. So I think that that is probably going to be the best

evidence that this is your significant other. And then you just mysteriously don't contact them for three weeks or bring up the fact that they're missing, Yeah, that should be the definite. You know what's so funny is I was going to say that, and then I was like Teddy and Dmitri, you're gonna gang up on me, you know, let's let's take down. You know, I'm very open to your Brian laundry conversations as long as they don't continue on for much longer. Which brings me to jan a dooger. Wow,

she does it again, Ladies and gentlemen. Well, you know what. Jana Douger breaks her silence following child dangerment, shares the raw facts. I'm only sharing this because the media has been having a field day with it all. Yes, the former reality star began in a statement on Tuesday, December fourteenth via Instagram story. I prefer more private life, but I know my last name means that everything we do is open to public criticism and interest, especially during this time.

I was babysitting a few months ago and one of the children wandered outside alone. A passer by who saw the child called the police. This resulted in a written citation as well as a follow up with childwear Welfare, who concluded that it was an accident and the child was unharmed. Okay, I've done a lot of babysitting, and I understand that baby that accidents happen, but I don't think that this is something people are having a field

day over. This is a huge accident, a huge mistake, like this isn't something that just happens every day when your babysitting. How many children were in the house at the time, They don't say, we don't even know if she was babysitting her nieces and nephews or her you know, or somebody else. We have absolutely no idea. But following everything that's going on with you know, her brother, it's

it's not ideal timing for her. And personally, I don't even really want need to see anything else in regards to this family. I just want them to all get the help that they need and maybe stop having so many children. I feel like nineteen and counting can simmer down, right. I mean, if they actually had nineteen kids in the house and one happened to get loose, I actually could understand that, you know, because then at that point she has a daycare. She has a daycare. I love that.

You're actually like, we're talking about French bulldogs and we're talking about children. Well, I mean, first of all, I wouldn't know, but are there usually locks on doors that are child proof or is there like a like how high would you have to reach to be able to get to the door? You know what I mean? Was there like a door open? I feel like there are pieces of information that are missing. There are pieces of information you are missing because she does not wanting to

obviously be transparent about what exactly happened. Um. That being said, one would imagine the ratio of how many kids you're supposed to watch, like in a daycare, one to how many. That's also it's like one to say, I don't know what the ratio is, but let's say it was so many kids you couldn't manage. I just don't know that

that's the case. Um, but I do think this kind of public statement of that like everybody's coming down and you're like you know that that is coming Yeah, I mean I wonder if I wonder at what point is it gross negligence or if it's just negligen I mean, I'm sure she's beating herself up. She has to be.

I mean, I mean believe. I mean there's been times even just you're playing with your kids and they bumped their head on something, you know, I beat myself up, like there's no but this is definitely one of those things, especially if your babysitting you're getting paid to do a job like all hands on deck. Apparently, not to make this about me, but when I was one year old, I was sitting in a chair and my mom said she left me for thirty seconds and I just fell

right over, face first onto the ground. And she said when she came back into the room, she was mortified, and she thought I was dead. And I wasn't making any noise, I wasn't cry and then she laughing, giving me, well I have alive. Hello obviously unless I'm you know, there was a switcheroo, but um, and then she said she picked me up, and I was just like, ha ha. I think this explains a lot about me as a person.

It completely makes sense. I mean, accidents do happen. I fell down the stairs in my walker when I was a little kid. They're like your little big My head became huge. I had to go to the hospital. Accidents do one million. So we can give her the benefit of the doubt. But everything going on in the press

right now, it's it's tricky. Well, everything going on with Josh right who you know it was, who's thirty three and faces up to twenty years of imprisonment and up to two dollars in fines for each conviction of receiving and possessing child sexual abuse materials. Um, that's really in the media right now, and of course it should be. I mean he also admitted in that he was having an unfaithful um activity. Um, I rephrased that very strangely, but he was unfaithful in his marriage and that he

was addicted to porn. So, I mean, just this family is is they need to stop having kids. I think Teddy that was the right move. I mean, now they are no longer on television, so that's for sure part but they are on television, just in a different circumstance, correct, But they no longer have a reality television show highlighting in their life. But yeah, the whole thing is very depressing.

I just I don't I think child pornography is so despicable, and I don't imagine that he won't face life in prison. I hope that he does. I couldn't imagine any other result to me that there's absolutely no excuse for that. There's absolutely no disc we have to do. We have to take a little break, you guys when we come back, we're going to talk about Lorie Arnold. I if you haven't seen The Queen of Math, it is a much I must watch. All right, let's take a little break.

When we come back, we'll discuss Lauria. Al Right, guys, welcome back. And I have to say that my slew thing this week has really been dedicated to Lorie Arnold, because I stumbled across across, I stumbled across, I stumbled across Queen of Math, and immediately I was hooked. Laurie was born in one in Iowa. She was raised by her dad and her step mom along with six other siblings. One of the siblings happening to be celebrity Tom Tom Arnold,

who is a wonderful person. By the way. You know him right, I know we should have had him on. By the time she was fourteen, she was hanging around at the club where her mom worked and was addicted

to alcohol. By nineteen eighty five, she was married to the president of the Grim Reaper motorcycle Club, Floyd Stockwell, and their young son are and The drug dealing started out small, but it turned into a way to bring in some extra cash, and then the extra money Arnold says was able to help their friends who are in a tough spot financially. Ultimately, she turns into the nickname

Queen of Math. Through the large scale drug operation controlled throughout the nineteen eighties and nineteen eighty nine, the FBI arrested her sees more than ten million dollars in assets. She was convicted of drug trafficking and money laundering and spent more than fifteen years of prison. And I love that you said that you were hooked on this case, because that's exactly what she would have wanted. She but

he where's the hard part with watching? Did you watch Queen of Math or you've just done your research online. I've done my research because when you're watching her, she's so likable you almost forget that she was distributing meth to mass quantities because she's funny and she's you know, you can tell well you would you start to believe that she's like remorseful, like realizing what she did to her families and her friends by supplying you know, meth.

But she also went to prison and then came out and then tried to get sober and live the sober life, and then was like working at Wendy's and at the meat place, and then she realized she missed it and went back to it and then got arrested again. Addiction is really difficult, but not just the addictions, the addiction of making money, the addiction of making money. I feel

like that was also the thing. And and she talks about a time when Tom and Rosanne Barr came to visit, and it was before he was sober, and he was talking about it too, and like Roseanne was at their parents house and he went over there and like did so much, so many drugs that then he came back and he was not able to even move when he saw Roseanne, Like he was just in bed, stuck, like almost odeeing. And that was the point in time when he decided, you know, well, Rosanne decided it was time

for him to get sober. If if you wanted to marry her, yeah, I mean she was making two thousand dollars a week. I mean I might be a drug dealer for two hundred thousand dollars a week. I mean, I don't know what else to tell you. I wish megalomania was one of my better qualities, but it's just I don't have it unfortunately, But not just that people were driving I mean across the country multiple times. She even bought a car dealership in order to so they

could drive different cars every single time. So that wasn't like red flag that the same car was driving from Iowa to California to Arizona to all these different places and houses, multiple bars, all to funnel and try to clean the money and her and she was the brains of the entire organization. And then her husband at one point, like she also has a child, might I add who they seemed to actually still have a pretty good relationship.

He had to deal with such terrible fights between Lori and her ex husband because he would go and use and then come back and shoot at them with a gun. They would like hide behind the car. I mean, this was just the way that they kind of grew up. And also this part that was really heartbreaking. Was this all kind of stemmed, you know, in my opinion, from their mother. I knew you were going to say from her childhood, but it's true. I mean, they grew up.

They were living with the mother, decided to give the kids to the dad, and then when they were around twelve or thirteen, the dad wasn't letting them party the way they wanted to, so they went and lived with a mother who was married six times. And then the mom treated them more like friends and wanted to party with them because she didn't want to, you know, party alone, or she'd have them at the bar where she worked,

and that's when they started drinking and using. And it's just, you know, I think it's hard for me because when your childhood starts out like that, it seems probably so impossible to get out, and the idea of being able just to make money and you know, support your own family and your own friends probably seems pretty great, and like it's not like I guess Tom even called her and said this before she got arrested the second in time, and said, I've been tipped off. They're gonna arrest you again,

and she said, go f yourself. I think, you know, she was like fourteen, I think when she was hanging out at clubs with her mom where her mom worked, and her mom was an alcoholic, and I think it's it's difficult when you grow up in a situation with alcoholism and addiction in your living life in the fast lane before your brain has even fully formed because that becomes normal to you. Oh, speaking of she also got married as a fourteen year old to somebody the president

of the grim reapromoters, a different person. She was married, Yeah, she was already married and he was the mom had set them up. It's just and then he was, you know, essentially a pedophile. But if you go to a certain state then you can right off and they're allowed to get married. And she married him for a year until it's just so heartbreaking their entire story. But you guys,

well she also tried meth as a kid. I mean it started out small, her drug dealing, as a lot of times it does before you realize you're addicted to it and the money is easy, and you know she was just trying to bring in some extra cash. Um, it's just so heartbreaking. I mean, I do truly believe that this is the most story I've ever heard, you know, being the fact that they were calling her what were

they calling her, um scarface and a skirt. Yeah, you know, it's like, why can't women be the face of crime? You know, it's our time When you say our I honestly feel like one of these episodes we're going to be talking about something that you have done. It's and and it'll just be breaking hearts. Dmitri Well, I'm I'm an open wounded this nest week and positive news. She now appears to be like doing well. She's living a

loc life, a low key life with her fiancee. She's saying, you know, he said she's paid her do she has a blue collar job. Um, but you always wonder. I also think it's interesting that she's credited with bringing the drug to parts of the Midwest, in the specific town um Ottumwa, and I do think that the drugs would have probably gotten there without her, which is also what she claims as well. I mean, drugs are going to show up anywhere there's nothing to do and where there's

everything to do. So drugs are everywhere. I mean, trust me. I remember, you know, being in New York City as a kid, and you couldn't walk below St. Mark's without seeing someone suing heroin on the street corner. And now that area is like a playground, of course, and it's all n y U and it's completely different than it

used to be. But you know, that was a very populated city and then there was still a ton of drug use out in the open, and so in the Midwest, same thing was happening, except there's not as much to do, so more people were doing drugs. This goes back to Teddy you said about the childhood and stuff. And this is probably gonna sound sarcastic, but it's not meant to be. And I usually preface that because normally I am being sarcastic.

But she she grew up with all that stuff that she described, right, but she found like she was smart enough she became his mastermind of the stuff. Now can you imagine if she had a better upbringing and she had that's those smarts and and that that thinking and put it to something else. I mean, it's just like like that sliding doors thing. She went on one little her childhood skewed and in her whole life even though she had quality at ease that that could be you know,

for success, and but it just went down the wrong path. Yeah, Demitri, she could have been president. Think she's a really great organizer of people, places, money and things. I think that's why they actually said that, is because she was so smart.

Not only was she so smart that she couldn't she didn't even finish going to school because after she was married at fourteen, then she tried to go back to she took a year off to be married to this guy, and then after she got divorced, she went back to school and tried and she was so ahead of all her peers that she was like, I can't do this. So she went got her g e. D. And then that's when she started her career in this and apparently

she just was brilliant. Well, that's also a very common theme that people who are super intelligent have very high i q s, have low eques, or have a lot of mental illness. And it's obvious that she had an extreme business acumen and an extraordinary criminal mindset. But you have to be a genius to be able to get away with a huge operation like that for so long while on drugs. I mean, hello, yeah, I can a

glass and a half of wine. Imagine yeah, yeah in the morning, and I don't have If I don't have coffee, I'm like, how do I tie my shoes? It's the rabbit like loop de loop. But the fact that you just showed us how to tie the shoes and you don't tie the shoes the same way that I do leads shows me how much younger you are the fact that you do too loops. That's how myself, I don't I swear I tie first and then I do a loop,

and then I do a loop. But the part that also kind of made me sad as Lorie's Laurie end up saying any kind of drugs are always going to show up. I never wanted to hurt any one, it's all. It was all clean fun back then, and it's how I felt in the moment. We didn't see the harm and the way it destroys people the way you do now. And then they kind of show all of her friends that were destroyed by math and the relationship that were destroyed by math, and their kids, and I mean to

me math, I mean to anyone. I think math is just so scary and frightening, and it's like fitting all these days, like it's so beyond you never know what what you're gonna get, and it's just, you know, it's interesting because as someone who has seen many people suffering from drug addiction, UM, I've received a few amends in my life, and I think that addiction at its core is really just part of feeling a rejection from your nuclear family and having this endless void that feels like

it will never be filled with anything, and you replace it with anything more and more and more and more of anything, just to feel like you're loved. And it's really sad and it's really dark, and it's a family disease. It's not just one person's problem, because anyone who's around that person then suffers from whatever actions that person, UM does. And I can empathize with addiction, you know, because I understand how hard it is to overcome it if possible,

um and live with it. And then I just I feel bad for people who never get sober or don't want to, and and I wish I didn't feel bad for them, But I just think that life can be so beauty full, and that a lot of people at addiction ruined their lives. And I think also, you know a lot of people are self medicating because now I think people are talking about their mental health a lot differently than they were back when you know, she was

the Queen of Math. And I think that it's becoming more open in schools and it's more common and you start, you know, people are there and it's more of a community where you can open up and discuss if you're struggling in that way or if you're struggling at home, Whereas before I just feel like everything was so hush hush and whatever. We'll just get through it, and then that's what ends up happening. There's just so much pain behind it and trauma, and I get that, and that

makes me sad for people. But you know, it's interesting because addiction doesn't make someone a bad person. In this case, she also was a drug lord, so that's a different situation. Um. But you know, I think it's also interesting that she used a lot of the money for this like weird twisted philanthropy where she buy homes at auctions and fix them up and then use it as Section eight housing to help people. I think ultimately she wants to be a good person, but I think sometimes you're the way

you were brought up or your past. It doesn't allow you to get out of your own way. But let's take a little break and then we'll come back and discuss Rachel DELTNDO fabulous and welcome back to Real Time Crime. I hope you enjoyed the ad. Brain I know we did. You know guys, I'm excited to talk about this new case because I'm sure that maybe this is the first time that people are hearing about it, and I would

like to shed light on it. So this case is about Rachel del Tondo, and if you haven't heard about it, the breakdown is that Rachel del Tondo, thirty three year year old school teacher. She goes out for ice cream with friends and that was her last night alive. She

was dropped off in front of her home. Her friends saw her walk to the front door of her house by the way she did live with her parents, and then she was shot multiple times at close gun range and was killed and her body was discovered at the foot of her driveway. So her parents believed that Sheldon Jeter Junior, a then twenty year old former high school football star, was responsible for her death and for gunning

her down at the foot of her parents driveway. Now, there are a lot of other obvious details that we're going to get into because he might not have been the only suspect, which is what the media would want us to believe. But also, you know, it seemed like a crime of passion, so we also had to look into her past a bit so. Rachel had an ex fiance, Frank Carapa. He was initially a person of interest and it has been confirmed since that he's definitely not a

suspect in the murder. Even though they had a tumultuous relationship, they were dating for five years, never got engaged. She gave him a couple of to meet ums and deadlines. Finally they got engaged in Paris, but then he asked her for pre nup and her family got very upset about this, and so they called the engagement off. And by the way, the five years they were dating wasn't all roses. It was very on again, off again, and so by the time the engagement was called off, the

thing's got a little sticky. If you can imagine still dating someone who you are now not engaged to anymore, goes and again. There was lots of on again, off again business, lots of jealousy and mhm. Some people believed that Frank was involved with the murder, and that is something that that was That was something that was said, but it is not true. Also, he had some sort

of involvement in the police department. He was not part of the police, but he knew a lot of people there, and he was given a copy of the police report about the incident, and then days later it was anonymously leaked to the public, not about that incident. Days later, he was let's back this up, guy, so we don't get the thing. Um. Days later it was leaked that she had been out and about with Sheldon. That was my next sentence because I was like, you're like, um, pardon, yeah.

So she was in a car with Sheldon when she told him that they were at a circle k and that the police only knocked on their door at eleven pm to see what was going on, and that you know, he had just reached out to her and needed someone to talk to and at the time, you know, he

was seventeen. But the police report read that the car wasn't an abandoned parking lot, probably because they didn't want to get caught, and that the windows had been steamed up and the passenger seat was reclined all the way back, and that the police officers caught them at two in the morning. So that makes the story a little triggier, and that leads us into who is Sheldon Jeter. Well, first off, Sheldon Jeter is a star football player he was everybody you know, wanted to be him, date him.

According to his his uncle, he was the man about town. I think what also, we need to preface the friend that Rachel was out with to go get ice cream was seventeen years old. She I think, just so we know, I think that she was infantilized because she still lived at home and was thirty three. And she said it was because she's quote unquote Italian and Italian families stick together until you're engaged and then you can leave the

house or you're married. But I think if you never leave home, never live on your own, and you literally stay in the high school mentality, especially because she was a teacher exactly, so who knows what she was like in high school. Sometimes these people to see it as a second shot. Maybe she wasn't dating a star athlete when she was in high school, and now she's still in that high school atmosphere, like you said, and here

comes this situation. But also I think when you start to see interviews with her mother, her mother was the one very against the prenup. And I mean I can speak for I mean, I don't I may be different here, but I'm totally fine with a prenup. I believe that. I mean I could just from speaking from personal experience. When my husband and I are getting serious and we started talking about marriage, he was like, he came from nothing.

His parents, you know, his dad was in prison, he got sent back to Columbia Edwin, you know, essentially paid for his entire family from when he was fourteen on. So when we met started getting serious and he has a successful business, he was like, is there any way that you would ever sign a prenup? I'm so scared I've worked my entire life that will be married two years and then you'll take everything from me. Like there's

just this fear. And because he was vulnerable and shared it that way, I was like absolutely, Like I I'm fine with that. And I think that if you know, even when the mom describes why she was excited that they got engaged, the reason she was excited was because it was a six carrot diamond, Like the mom obviously

had money on the brain. And then all of a sudden, after they break up, they're still hooking up her and Frank and then she also not only is this happening in the car with Sheldon, Then all of a sudden she starts allegedly hooking up with Sheldon's cousin. I was it a half brother or cousin. I think it. Ultimately they ended up saying it was he wasn't actually family. They just called him family. Oh god, this is getting

so dark. But also on the night that she was with Sheldon, that is when Frank was with some buddies watching football and there were spirls there, yes, and there were a lot of girls there, and it made her really uncomfortable. So it seems like she was probably acting out. And she also told her friend this and told her never to tell anyone, and she was so upset. But she didn't say the part about sexual activity. And to be clear, she didn't tell the seventheen year old friend.

She told her original friend that was her day made where they were all friends. When once Frank and Rachel started to like break up and be on again off again for the you know, five thousand time, she started distancing herself from her her friends from growing up. So, I mean, it's very interwe it's so many different things. But I think ultimately she ended up losing her job because they allegedly the friend and told Frank about what was happening with Sheldon Frank got the information and then

leaked it to her school. Right. They also said she had spent time in a mental institution three days. Come on, anyone could do three days in a mental institution. Also, I just want to be clear. I'm willing to sign a prenup for love good, but what I feel like that was an advertisement. But what's the butt? No, No, I mean, if he's older than seventy, I am not signing the prenup. I mean, I think it's to each

his own on wanting to sign the prenup. But I do think it should be up to the person actually getting married. She wanted to marry him and sign a prenup and her parents would not let her. And I would understand that had she been protecting her money, but her parents wouldn't let her because they wanted to ensure that she could have his money. I mean, grant, once you're married, it's you're our money, whatever it is. I mean, granted, I still have separate bank accounts from my husband no

matter how, which apparently is the key to success. As Barbara streisand I think it's actually wonderful because then we can make I love that we're Is that what what Babs does? Yeah, that's what they do, and she said that's a secret to their long marriage. Separate bank accounts, it's a game changer for us, like we obviously have, like the ones that we share for the kids and stuff, but being able to pick and choose what we want to invest in, spend our money on all that type

of stuff, it's key. I gotta say, I'm taking notes, but my future of me and my seventy five year old, if I will not have a separate bank account, our money under the bed, I can't right now. You're just searching your She's on the webs over seventy looking for love, casting out a lot of lines here. I might be over the hill for most of those guys. Maybe Frank is available, Yeah, I should ask him. He seems like a great guy. Yeah. So that there's an incredible forty

eight I love that. I'm like, incredible. There is a really good forty eight hours on Rachel Deltondo. I suggest that you watch it. And in closing, I know that we're running out of time, but should we just discuss the Scott Peterson of it all? First? Wait, yes we should, but also I would like for the record to show mm hmm that this past summer, Jeter was convicted of killing a different friend after a trip too of all things,

go get ice cream again. Wait, so literally, Rachel went to go get ice cream it was closed by the way, and then came home and was murdered. Then Jeter and his friend who I guess he was living with at the time, they leave home together go get ice cream, and only Jeter returns. And it was almost two years of the day after Rachel was killed that another trip for ice cream ended in death, and this time it was Tyrek Pug, who Sheldon I guess considered family, but

he murdered him and they found a gun. They found a gun under his mattress. Yeah, I mean he needs like, honestly, he needs more friends that are diabetics. But you know, um, they found the murder weapon has gone under his mattress. And when they examined the gun, they found the evidence from the crime scene and linked it to the weapon and said it was fired the rounds that was responsible for his friend's death. So this is how it's all coming unearthed. And I believe that they're going to find

him guilty for the murder of Rachel as well. I believe so too, And you know what, you're right, let's um, let's head right into our final case. So Scott Peterson originally had the death penalty and now he has life in prison. So I feel like everybody knows the backstory on this case. I mean most everyone I know is obsessed.

I've watched everything, read everything you possibly can. Also, if you're listening to our podcast, you like true crime, so you already know about this case, right, just love us because we're so cute. But what are your thoughts on switching it out from the death penalty to like what do you think you should be punished for? So I have to be honest, I'm not sure I've ever fully

formed my thoughts on the death penalty. I don't know how I feel about people playing god, but also like who am I to say who can live and who can die? But you know, there's a lot of people who think a life for life and that makes sense. Um, I just haven't really made up my mind on it. I think that there is a different type of prison

when you know that you're going to live forever in jail. Yeah, you know that's a death of its own kind, where you're just left with your thoughts and what you've done and thinking and trying to survive jail for the rest of attorney, knowing you'll never be able to leave. That sounds pretty horrible to me as well. Well, it's a prison of your own making. I think the part that you know, to my understanding, is really hard is the

change for her family. Yeah, you know, to think one thing and then for it to shift to something else. And also just the heartbreaking nature in which the baby Connor was to all of the things. It's just I mean, I went so deep down searching this stuff. I mean I even found an Amber Fry on Instagram. She's not even private. I remember you sent her Instagram to the group chat. Thank you for that. Yeah, thank you, we

needed it. You're welcome, you guys. She's on lots of yoga retreats, she's living her best I mean, but it's traumatizing. It's also traumatizing to see how many murders there has been in Modesta. Yeah, I mean it's interesting because, um, in the the Jeter situation, Rachel del Tondo, you know, they already had eight unsolved murders in the city. Of el Quipa, Pennsylvania. It's it's interesting to see that there

are always a bunch of murders happening in the same city. Yeah, because then it, you know, it gives you all of those other things to search. And then there was other women coming forward and saying that there was a cult after pregnant women. Do you do you ever wonder that if someone who likes to commit crime sees that there's a city that's not finding criminals, that they move there. I don't know if they have enough enough research like that. I think they just have their they have their their

oddities or their their psychoses or whatever they're like. They may find a town that's peaceful, or they may find a town where it's easier or where there's like you said, if if there's a certain type of person that they're going after. Well, so what do you guys think? Do you think that he deserves death penalty over life in prison? How do you feel about this decision? The part that really gets me is when he was having the affair with Amber before Lazy Ever went missing. I already know

what you're gonna say. Like, before Lazy Even went missing, he told Amber, I am so sad because is this is my first Christmas without my wife. Two weeks later, she goes missing while she's while he's at her vigil or her candle lighting. He's talking to Amber and pretending

he's in Paris. Like it's just so, I don't know my opinion rusally on the death penalty either, but I do know that switching it out, so that the family was already possibly making peace with one decision and then having to switch to a new it's probably heartbreaking for them, heartbreaking, But I don't know this just in Leah Elizabeth Holmes has been cast and it's not us? Who is it? Amanda Sea Freed? They call win that you didn't You weren't fully committed to your Black turnam was us? It

was not us who lose. The Dropout First look and date announcement. Hulu has revealed a first looked at the upcoming limited series The Dropout, starting starring Amanda Sea Freed and Navien Andrews. Synopsis money, romance, tragedy, deception, sounds like all the things we like, you guys, another crime another day. We're gonna have to finish up for today, but next week we are talking. I mean we have to keep it the holiday spirit up. So we're gonna be talking

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