The Not So Great Escape

and not told us? It does feel like that. But I am leaving tomorrow for Croatia, Okay, taking a long round home, got it? Yeah? Yeah, I just have to get go and check all my offshore accounts. Yeah, and um met you know, uh, some interesting people here. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure this is my place to say it, but I did notice that there was a strapping man in the background a few minutes ago. And what nationality would you say he was? I believe

that was an Australian accent that I heard. Hilarious British, But that's fine, was it really? Yeah or whatever? He's super proper. He's Jewish, He's super proper. Let's delve into that for a minute. I will say this, I did first think maybe we were cousins. I was like, I think we need to check before we can move forward with this. Okay, So that was okay. I just want to make sure that that wasn't like, oh, let me meet him. I think we might be cousins. So he

was both. I was honestly checking to see if maybe that was your first reaction versus Lee is definitely making out with this man, you know, I mean, nice, nice British Jewish man. How many of those are going to find? He seems very nice, seemed very helpful, super helpful. So you are making out with him? Yeah, I mean that's pretty well. I mean I don't want to two assumptions, but oh yeah, I'm making out with my cousin. So perfect. Speaking of cousins, ha ha no, no, speaking of family feuds.

We've got some interesting hot topics today. We've got Kelly Clarkson's ex husband accusing her of spying on him l O L. We've got, obviously, our Dave Chappelle dramas continuing on figuring out a little bit more about his attacker. And then we have this insane case that I'm sure you guys have all been following about Casey and Vicky White, although not related L O L. And then we will

finally be rounding out with Devon Duniver today. All right, Dmitri, let's just dive right into Kelly Clarkson because this is pretty bad ship. Yeah, it's uh. You wonder how these kids couldn't make it with stories like this. I always wonder how kids of stars do it, you know, because I feel like their whole lives are under a scrutiny, which is essentially what Kelly his ex husband is accusing

her of doing. So. Despite on an hundred and fifteen thousand dollar a month spousal support settlement, it seems that Kelly Clarkson and Brandon black Stock divorce drama is far from over. Two months after their divorce was finalized, Brandon's legal team has filed new court documents demanding Kelly has all of her thirteen CCTV cameras switched off at the

property for the remainder of brandon stay at the Montana ranch. Reportedly, Brandon feels spied on because he suspects Kelly may have access to the CCTV footage on the property and wants them all turned off his legal tam is also demanding proof once the cameras are disabled, and as part of the divorce settlement, black Stock was allowed to continue living

at the Montana Ranch through the month of June. Apparently he could not afford to go to place of his own the former couple allegedly so, it said in the article the former couple shares seven year old River and six year old Remington. Not only is Kelly have to pay him a hundred and fifteen k a month through January, she was also hit with a one time payment to her ex in the amount of one point three mill. Meanwhile, her child supports Brandon. Isn't astounding forty thousand. You know

there's some money floating around there. So right away I'm gonna throw out the I couldn't afford another place. Hundred fifteen thousand a month, isn't. And I know some of us for the kids, isn't He also like the stepson of Barbara streisand or something he is I thought, so maybe I don't want to misspeak here, but I thought he was the stepson or something of somebody. Yeah, to meet you do some googling before you make such a crazy claim like that. Well, no, for what, that's what

we're doing here. Okay, so that's yeah, we make crazy claims so allegedly steps on of Barbera Streis. And also how much money do your kids need per month? Not much? Everyone? Right? And then plus the one point three on top of it. I mean, was he just like a trophy dad? Husband? There are a few of us out there, hilarious, just because you look like a trophy you mean just stone face? Oh, oh,

stone face? That is what I meant, Dmitri, don't leave me. Um. Well, here's the thing though, I am fine with him not wanting the cameras on, right, because that could be a little weird. Um. I don't know what he's doing or if he just feels like she's trying to you know, they've already settled stuff, right, so it's not like she would be trying to gather stuff. She it's a huge ranch, and their cameras. I don't think that they're in his

bedroom or bathroom. Like what privacy does he need that's on her property that he feels like it's being intruded, like who's coming in and out? That he feels like he needs this extra privacy, Like if there's coming in and out that she needs the cameras on. Maybe there are thieves, the reasonable, the whole reason they have cameras in the first place, you know, yeah, yeah, Okay, Well

here's the thing. So if he's gonna say she has to turn these off, then he then has to sign something and say if anything goes wrong, if someone breaks onto the property, if someone trashes the property, that's on me, and I'm gonna have to take care of that. Okay, So I acent agree with that. I feel like if anything is quote unquote stolen from the property after the cameras go off, it's going to be an inside job.

Yeah right, okay, okay, sorry. Reba McIntire was married to Brandon Blackstock's father, literally so far from Barber Streisand no, no, not so far, because they're both um singers and they're both famous. So in order to be so far, you'd have to be like, oh no, this one's a circus clown and this one works in construction. That's the farthest you can get. I guess they are both white women.

You got me there, Tomitri, you got me there. So after what many people would probably consider a massive financial win for Brandon and this divorce settlement. Do you think this weird legal move just adds to the bad blood? And do you think it's going to affect the kids?

I think it's My impression is that this is just a petty move, like, well, I have you know, if she's looking at the cameras for what you've already settled, If he's worried about the cameras and saying turn them off and she's not, like it's to me, it just seems like pettiness right now. Yeah. Also, he's already gotten so much money out of her. Just just let her watch you do weird stuff, you know what I mean. It's like she she paid a fair price to watch

the show. Let her leave the thirteen cameras off. I don't, I don't. I don't know if you I think you're just saying that. I don't know if you agree with that. I don't agree with it, but I do think it's it is very funny. But I just wanted the funny. I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. Speaking of funny, let's head back into our fave Dave Chappelle incident at the Hollywood Bowl. So you guys know that his attacker came on stage and that he was mangled. This man

left broken in peace. Is a lot of people tackled him, beat the ship out of him. Right, So Dave's attacker Apparently Dave met with his attacker by the way, and he claims he did it for the fact that his grandma had been forced out of her Brooklyn neighborhood because

of gentrification. And I don't know if you guys all know this, but recently, apparently Dave was caught quote unquote being against an affordable housing plan in Ohio, where he lives, and I think that maybe that there was some backlash from that, although when you read more into that story, it's more about the fact that it is a small town, and it's more about keeping the town a small town rather than adding so many more homes and having it be a complete changed atmosphere from where he grew up

in what the town used to be. And he said he was gonna pull all of this funding from making a comedy club and all these I mean, look, okay, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, right, Okay, So that's why he's saying that he lunged onto the stage, and I guess made this whole ploy to hurt Dave. I don't even know if he had an end goal. No, I mean what was yeah, what was the end goal? Was he going to then stand up and say, hey, I don't want to hurt him. I know I have

this fake gun in this real knife. I just want to raise awareness from my grandmother's Like, it seems like an excuse. And apparently he's at l A County jail with Bale said at thirty, which is low enough that he could probably get out if someone wanted to get him out of air like Brandon Blackstock exactly. I mean, he's making more than that per month anyway. Um. And

and also this guy's twenty three. I don't know. This seems like one of those things where you just find out later that someone was on drugs or was mentally ill or I don't know. It just seems like such a completely out of place motivation. It is, And and I think if you want to raise awareness, there's there's

other ways to do. Granted, Hinckley Jr. Shot President Reagan because he was trying to get Jodie Foster to go out with him, which I mean, digging all the issues with that one but so there are there are cases where people do something outrageous to draw attention for something but clearly not sane. But I don't buy it. I feel like this was an act. Maybe he was angry about what Chappelle said, but I don't think he was raising awareness. I don't think he was doing this for

his grandmother. No, I didn't see a sign that said gentrification is ruining everything. You know. It wasn't yelling at when they were beating the ship out of him. No, No. And I don't see him marching around outside of a Starbucks near him. You know, that's really the big issue here is not Dave Chappelle's Starbucks. Sorry, just hanging around a British man. Just really never mind. Okay, so a little bit, a little, i'd say things are going well there. Uh does he live there or is he? No, he

lives in London. Okay, So thanks for coming back to what's important. Well, so I'm just trying to plan out, so there's probably gonna be more podcasts from London to Okay, Tree, It's like you saw right through my plan. Wow, I could never commit a crime because Dmitri had figured out instantly. That's right. But as far as this guy that tackled Dave Chappelle, like if he wanted to go strike up a deal with the dude with a sign or whatever, like,

you're right, the signs go some somewhere else. This to me is is I went nuts, and now I'm trying to to back it off, which drives me crazy because all these people who do things and say no, no, it was just this, it's like, you know what you did it, just own up to it. We have we don't have enough resources and time to sift through everyone's back channeling of how to get out of something that

they did. Yeah, it's like if I had to get out of every time I brought up a guy I thought was going to be the one on this podcast, I'd be like, I think my grandma got divorced by him, mean person, And so now I'm against all marriages, so I got to talk about them. And the whole reason I keep talking about conjugal visits is because somewhere in my lineage someone was in prison, and I find that

hot something here analogy is better. So I think it's also interesting is that Howard Stern, I don't know if you heard about this Howard Stern is just popping off on Hollywood hypocrisy. You know, he does what he does. So during a recent episode of Howard Stern Show, he's saying, the guy jumped on stage and attacked Dave Chappelle as soon as it happened. Did they let him go back to his seat and laugh and sit next to his wife and then give him an award? No, they took

him backstage. They broke his arms and hands so bad they and I quote beat the ship out of him. Howard says Will should not have been treated differently just because of the celebrity status, adding that the academy didn't react properly. But is it the academy or is that everyone? You know? Because when Dave got attacked, all the other comedians start running on stage and see any other actors getting up there being like, oh should I get my

gown dirty? You know, right? And there was no standing ovation. Obviously, his his reference well, you know, I think we've said this before. I don't think it was handled properly. So he's really just adding on to what we've all discussed, and his analogy or here's his comparison doesn't totally work because this guy wasn't up for an award at the Netflix is a joke thing. He was just there. So no, they didn't send him back to his wife and he

get an award. But the point is made, and that should Will Smith have had his arms broken and beat up backstage? No, these guys reacted to a threat to Dave Chappelle and people because Will Smith was a celebrity. They didn't see it as much of a threat to Chris Rock. Wasn't handled in correctly, Yeah, Kristen, Chris, Will

didn't have a gun, Will didn't have a knife. Will wasn't premeditated, and Will had had a reputation, right, and this guy was an unknown with weapons, multiple and premeditated the fact that he was going to do this right, So that's pretty scary. That's a little different in my opinion. I wonder if his grandma is proud for the awareness he rose and gentrification. Yeah, now they're never gonna build up you know, they won't name it after him. I'll

tell you that did you get what you wanted? Speaking of getting what you wanted? Is this back to your guy? Yeah, he's so cute. Speaking of getting what you wanted? Well, these two people did not get what they wanted. It was that a good segue, would you say, you know what, We're on the right road. But then I think there's a speed bump. But there was a speed bump in that I did the opposite of the thing that I wanted. Okay, So you guys have heard about the Casey White Vicky

White no relations story right and escaped Alabama inmate. Casey White called prison guard his wife wif I just felt like saying like that when apprehended. Okay. Vicky White died Monday night at the hospital and Casey is now in custody. So we've been following this little chase. Florence, Alabama murder suspect Casey White has been interviewed extensively since he was apprehended in Indiana on Monday, ending an eleven day multistate

man hunt, and is cooperating with the investigation. So after escaped in May, Casey White, thirty eight, and Lauderdale County Assistant Director of Corrections Vicky White, fifty six, were spotted at an Evansville, Indiana hotel on Monday. They led police on a car chase in a Cadillac. The crash ended in a wreck Cadillac. Yeah right, I mean it sounds it just sounds like fear and loathing in Las Vegas. So the crowd they were just they were literally just

heading to Vegas to get Vegas married. That's all that was happening. So the crash ended in a wreck. Vicky was hospitalized for injuries from an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound. Official set she died at a hospital Monday night in a topsy is set for today Tuesday, but by the time listening to this Wednesday, or whenever you get around listening to it. The man hunt began on April nine, when Casey and Vicky, who are not related L O

L fled the Lauderdale County jail. This honestly feels a lot like me and Adam were like, are we related or are we dating? Okay. Authorities said they believe Vicky willingly participated in the escape, which took place on her last day before retirement. I go further than to say she willingly participated. I think she planned the whole thing. Yeah, And do you think that she thought she would get

away with it because she was retiring. I mean, it's you can't be that bright to think Oh, I'm gonna I'm retiring soever they think, oh, she didn't come back to work. No, she's with the dude that she walked out of prison. She said, I'm gonna bring him, she told everybody because she was what the assistant director or deputy whatever, she said, I'm bringing him to his mental

health check at the courthouse or whatever. There was no appointment, there was no so to think that they weren't going to like follow up and realize that there were some plot holes there shows that she was not really thinking this past the plan of getting him out of there, which, by the way, as you said, eleven day man hunt, right, they were gone for eleven days that they escaped where they find him like six hours away. So maybe you planned how to get out, but you didn't really plan

what you're going to do after that. Yeah, and can we call it a person hunt? Okay? There are two people involved in one is not a man Dmitri Okay, But I also would like to say, look at all the just the holes and the gaps in the system. The fact that there was never even an appointment, but no one checked up on it. Yeah, Well, and I think that's because she was the assistant deputy, and so she told her she was the superior to these people, and she said, I'm to do this, so why would

they double check? But it was apparently on a day where everyone was like in court doing that, like everyone was kind of a sign place. It was perfectly I think the escape was perfectly planned on her part. It was just why would you only go six hours away

get as far ways? Haven't you seen any movies like watch anything with Liam Neeson just just for fun because he's fantastic, but also he's fantastic, but also you learn how to escape from jail and then moved to a different country like everyone else, you know, six hours away in a motel six. I mean, they had no plan, that's clear. I think they just thought they would wing it. I mean, I wonder if she genuinely thought that people would think that she somehow got captured and was brought

along for the ride, but then she committed suicide. Yeah, and and like they said, there was no way that he planned this, Like and by the way, he's just singing along with it. They apparently they interviewed him after they caught him, and he's they said, he's very helpful, like he's and he wants to go back to Alabama. He's like, no, he signed his waive, the extradition thing. He's like, I'll go back. She killed herself and he's like, oh go. But he was like it was good. It

was a good run. We tried. But is there any world that exists where if we're thinking in a weird fantasy land, right, It's like, let's just put this in movie terms. What if he pretended to be in love with her to get out and it just didn't go as planned. There were some sort of romantic turmoil, et cetera, she realized her big mistakes, and then maybe she tried to make sure he couldn't leave and then it just ended in this situation. Is that possible. It's possible, And

I like where you're going with that. But my understanding is that he takes UM medicine for psychotic episodes and stuff like that, and what he's up I think it's different UM and what he's in prison for. You're not in prison. What he's in prison for is pretty violent stuff and pretty like through fits of rage and stuff. So it would it be interesting if that was the case, Yes, But I don't think that's the case. But don't you

think he could be super manipulative? Sure, because my understanding is that there was also when he was in a different prison, he became very friendly with with the guar and stuff like that, so that could be his thing. There might have there might be more of the story that we will never know. Yeah, this guy's mother you this guys six pounds like gigantic, Like Okay, that's not where I was going with them. No, definitely not where

you were going. Yeah. Um, I'm interested to see how the story unfold, although I feel like we will probably not get the truth on this, probably not, although they haven't released what he's been saying. But it will be interesting. Obviously. Unfortunately she is deceased and we won't be hearing from her. But I liken this too. You know this is like I'm sure you know this. I'm gonna try and put

this in an analogy that that you would understand. I'm sure you've been hit on by a guy that's like, oh, man, if I could only be with you and this and that, and then once you guys got together, it's like, well that sucked. That's what this is. She's like, man, we're going to escape for prison. I got this whole thing. It's gonna be awesome. They got out of prison. She's like, I don't know, should we just drive to a motel six? Like nothing, there's no there's no payoff. She really for

everything that she put on the line. This was botched. This was very botched. This was very botched. This is like a bad celebrity plastic surgery. Yes, speaking of, I think it's time for us to delve into our main case for today. This is this is really heartbreaking. I actually do hate this story. By the way, shall we take a break and come back to it. Yeah, I need to cry before we just really dive into the dark stuff. Yeah we went from having some fun with stuff,

but this one's a little darker. So yeah, all right, we'll be right back down. Touch that dial. Hey guys, it's Cheryl Burke. You know me from Dancing with the Stars. But guess what, I have a new podcast called Burke in the Game. It may look like that my life is full of costumes and whatever, but at the end of the day, you probably don't know the Cheryl behind

the Mirrorball trophy. I've been really curious about how and why a lot of my relationships or every single one really has not worked out, and I can only point the finger at myself. One of the things that I want to work on is not being so controlling, Like I'm so tired of thinking that I can control everything around me when there isn't enough hours in the day

even if there were. In order for me to really practice what I'm preaching, I have to turn my life over to someone else, and what better way than to turn it over to you, guys. I have to be able to take accountability, and that's what I'm doing here. Listen to Burke in the Game starting May tenth on the I Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't know why I keep saying dial Dmitri, but here we are social sleuths. We are back.

No one has a dial, no one, no one's dialing anything. I might go as far as to say that you're too young to we even say that, because he just feels like the thing you're supposed to say. Yeah, but you were born in the dial period, right, No, you were born into the remote control era. Yeah, she's a remote control baby because she lacks control in every other area. Of her life. So anyway, let me just mute myself.

Thank you, Dmitri, Thank you. Dmitri wanted to laugh hysterically and then cry, and then he was very sad about just everything I've said. In general. Dmitri is still in a high from going to Tom Cruise's red carpet. That was fun. Did you make any good contacts, you get any good photos? You didn't send us any well, because you were telling me that you were going to start photo shopping yourself in them, and what is wrong with that? Okay? Anyway,

I'll just laugh. A Getty Image logo on it, like I was definitely there, even though I was halfway across the world. Time to get into the case. It just aired last Friday, So you are watched in you know what we're talking about? What is this case in? A five year old girl named Devon vanished from her apartment and Anthony Harris, then twelve years old, was charged and convicted of her murder. It was very sad. On June,

Devin disappeared after she went outside to play. After Doniver disappeared from her new Philadelphia, Ohio apartment, her body was found in a nearby wooded area. A day later. Harris and his family lived in the same apartment complex as their family and helped in the search. Authorities say the little girl was stepped seven times in the neck. Two weeks after the body was found, Anthony was brought to

the police station for questioning. At first, he denied he was involved, but he said the pressure from police got the best of him. During a hostile interrogation in investigators pressured Harris to admit to her murder, which eventually placed him behind bars, despite lacking evidence to verify him at the scene of the murder. This is very reminiscent of Amanda Knox and the Italian officials trying to force a confession.

According to Harris's interview with says the investigator, he had basically told me that if you confessed to this murder, you can go home. It's like, okay, well, I'm over here scared, so I want to go home. He was found guilty, but one an appeal, and his conviction was overturned in June of two thousand, after the Ohio Fifth Court of Appeals determined his confession was coerced. Harris, a former marine, is frustrated the actual killer of Doniver has

not been brought to justice. So this is a really interesting story because he still wants to find who the real killer is as well. More than twenty years after Anthony's conviction was overturned, Devon's murder still just remains a cold case. Harris ledges that there were some leads in

this case that were never pursued. Some people who were part of the search parties say they looked around the area where the little girl was found and didn't see her, so they believe her body was placed there after the fact. Other witnesses claimed during the trial that they saw a man in the area who was wearing a long sleeve plaid flannel shirt, which they said was odd given that it felt like a ninety degree summer day. Harris said he wasn't giving up his drive to help find the

person responsible for her death. I think that this is a really hard story obviously, and I mean it's really interesting about miners being interrogated and pressured to confess to crimes, and or the fact that you know, his mom was able to watch the interrogation through the mirror but couldn't hear anything that he was saying. Do you think parents should be able to hear what their kids are saying

when they're being questioned by the police. I would think or their lawyer or somebody like you can't have a twelve year old in there. And then, like as you said, if if the twelve year old scared and listen, I obviously don't know if he did this or not. I tend to believe he didn't. Um. But if they have a twelve year old there and they're scared and there's no one else and these guys are just laying them, just tell us you did tell us you did it.

Tell oh you did this. We know how that goes in there, right, Hey, you can go home if you did this. The kids can say I did it because

I want to go home, right. Also, you know kids sometimes not that they lie, but I think you know, kids have imaginations, and I think that you're the parent would want to hear things because if the kid is not sure about a timeline or saying things that aren't you know, trying to if someone's trying to place them at the scene of the crime, but you know they were actually at the grocery store with their mom at that time, but they're saying that they were out playing.

You know that could potentially completely throw an entire case. I don't know. I think that obviously parents should be able to hear their kids if they're under eighteen. Yeah, especially these guys are good and interrogators are good at what they do. Right, So you're you're matching wits with a twelve year old who may nothing. Nothing makes me, that's not sure. A lot of things make me angry,

But I really don't like the the thing. And we've seen it in a lot of true crime stuff where the police just get something in their head and they're like, they just drive that home, and meanwhile there's other options that are missed or other evidence and and things to look into that just aren't don't get the attention. And that's the other thing too, is that this boy who probably didn't commit this murder, right, It's like, did he have anger issues? Did you like to have to stab

someone seven times in the neck? Five year old? By the way, and not to not to like this is sad enough, but think about the size of a five year old neck, Like what the that's that's some up stuff. Getting the nice figure like this is a very calculated you know, and I just can't imagine how this would happen. And if they're saying that the body was placed there after, then he certainly didn't do it unless he got help from adults, because you couldn't have carried her body, and

then where would you've hit it. I mean, it's just too complicated. Honestly, I'm not saying that kids aren't smart. I'm just saying that this is really out of the wheelhouse of a twelve year old. I believe, I think

so too, and you know, and it was overturned. And but the thing is when you do that, when you when you're like, oh, we know what it is, and you just put all your your resources into pinning it on that person, you're missing all this other stuff, the the guy in the flannel shirt and ninety degree weather. I don't know. That seems like something people in Ohio would do. Don't be mad at me, Ohio or whatever.

Call us on the hotline if you're mad. But I mean, that's like, maybe that's something, maybe it's not, but there are there certainly has to be other things that could have been, you know, looked at. And I don't know how they did their job, but it sounds like they for whatever reason, took this twelve year old kid and was and was like this is it and and just focus their resources on that and how flims he couldn't

have been a year later it's overturned. Yeah, I mean sometimes they just fixate on wanting to get an answer and moving on and they don't even care if it's right or wrong. It's like you don't care that you're messing with someone's entire life, you know. So his life was changed forever, right, I mean he basically that follows you around. You know, there's and there's no justice to the story. So it's she's still dead. He his name is forever tarnished, even though he never actually murdered anyone,

and especially since they never found right. So it's not like they're saying, oh, he's innocent. They're saying the case was overturned because of of not enough evidence or whatever. So he doesn't even have you're right, he doesn't even have his name cleared from that like, oh he didn't do it. It's like, oh, he wasn't found, he wasn't required to stay in prison for it, right, So you know that there are some people who probably think he

still did it. It's so said, do you think that there should be some sort of restitution paid to him and his family for what they had to go through? Uh? Yeah, I do. I think obviously. I think it has to be proven. You know, they have to find the killer or prove that it wasn't him in order to pay that out. But if that's the case, then I think yeah,

for sure. And his life is his life is completely changed. No, nothing, I mean obviously, the most heart felt thing here goes to the family, the five year old in the family of devon Um. But then his family and if he didn't do this, that's their lives were shattered and altered forever as well. So if if he had nothing to do with this, yeah, there should be some sort of compensation. I think so too. And do you think that there's any chance of this case being solved more than twenty

years later? I mean, in my opinion, thank you Leah asking your answering your own question. In my opinion, it will just seems like there were a lot of leads they never followed up on. So unless there's any sort of DNA evidence, it's going to be impossible. Yeah. Um, And I've said in my mind a lot of times I've said, oh, we're never gonna have the answer to this one, but then for some reason, something comes up.

And nowadays, obviously they're doing so much more with DNA, and it's that now they like they'll even dig up graves and find DNA that matches. Are you scratching your nose with your microphone? I did scratch my nose with my microphone, and no one needed to know that. But I do appreciate you calling attention to it. We can cut that out. I thought you were just it looked like you were nuzzling up to it or something. I just thought it was Adam, my British Jewish man. But no, no,

I but I do. I think they can do a lot with DNA. But is their DNA evidence? You know, they've been able to solve cases thirty years after the fact because there is DNA evidence and now they have better technology. I just this feels this has the essence

of a forever cult case. It's it's very possible, but um, you never know, because obviously they must have collected and hopefully held onto evidence from that day whatever she was wearing where they found her stuff like that, And I have seen cases where they go back and they they then matched two evidence that is that old DNA stuff now that they have the technology, so it is possible, but you kind of figured they would have done that already. Um,

I don't know. I'd like to think, but obviously there's some cases that have not been solved that are similar to that. So it's it's possible. We'll never know. It's possible we'll never know. All right, you know this is a really heavy case, Dmitri, So I think i'd like to go to break before we cover our last hot topic for today. And as you pointed out, these breaks are not times for the listeners to go and commit crimes. No, And I don't know why I was asking you permission

to take a break a break. I don't think anybody took it that way because you would never social suits. BRB babes and welcome back to Real time Crime, you guys. Today's last hot topic. Jesus, this is I mean, what is going on with our prison system? Okay? In St. Louis, a corrections officer has been arrested for bringing drugs to inmates. First of all, it's like I kind of just assume

this happens all the time. If I'm honest, all right, moving on, I don't know, I never really gave a thought, but clearly there's there's a bond that gets created between certain correction officers and inmates and stuff like that. Um so it's the only human interaction, you know. I feel like you become attracted to whoever you're around, whether for better or for worse, you know. And that's why I'm starting to feel like I shouldn't just have feelings for

the first European man I meet. That's like buying the first house you see. It's like, yeah, but when you but when you've been living on the street and you you know you have good money to buy a house, you buy it when in Rome, Yeah, you just buy the house in Rome. So, guys, I'm moving to London anyway to mean she's dying, okay. So so this officer was arrested while on duty after she was accused of delivering drugs to inmates. Guys. This officer had worked at

the correctional facility for four years before her arrest. After a very long investigation, authorities claim that she brought in contraband, which included drugs and possibly fentanyl. The inmate she delivered the drugs too. Is Anthony Chapman, who also faces similar charges, but he's already in jail, so I mean, I guess

he just stays a little longer. According to authorities, text messages dating back to October two thousand twenty one showed Coffer, the corrections officer, and Chapman discussing their plans on how to transport the drugs, along with footage showing the former corrections officer interacting with someone in a vehicle and bringing multiple items to Chapman's sell So, first of all, I

didn't know inmates could get cell phones to text. Yeah, it's a different it's a different prison system that I grew up with, right, Okay, I'm like, okay, so it was my childhood bedroom actually a prison because I did get text messages in there, um you know, but the correctional officers there weren't as nice as these. Okay. So the corrections officers claim she brought the fentinal pills to Chapman during a police interview. Meanwhile, there were two non

fatal overdoses of inmates in November of last year. Oh okay, So after she serves four years as a correctional officer. It's like, how could someone who's so familiar with incarceration put themselves in a situation where they're arrested and then placed in jail. Like don't you think that they wouldn't would want to avoid being the one in jail? It

makes no sense to me. I agreed. And and you'd also think they would know certain things like you have to not be thinking this through you're texting with the inmate and scheduling all this through text message. Not the brightest, Um No, I mean, you're leaving a trail, there are receipts. It's I mean, it's like you might as well just posted on Instagram let everyone know your plans. Yeah, And

I don't know. Obviously, we've done two stories today where um correctional officers have developed some sort of bond with inmates, and I'm sure it happens quite a bit more. I don't know the process for correctional officers and stuff like that, but if they're like a mental health thing every couple of years, or you know, kind of like you would do with a parole board, even though I know they're not the ones being held, and I'm sure it's a

very difficult job to staff. But I think you almost have to either move them around or check in on them and and and make sure that they're not developing relationships with these inmates. Like maybe I'm I mean, do you think it's romantic? Do you? I mean? I feel like these all have to be kind of romantic. I don't think this was purely a business transaction. I think that you know, when you're in close proximity to certain people all the time, you inevitably fall for one or

two of them. Yeah, and you and it's that Florence stutting Gale thing too. You probably feel badly for these people. Think you hear their side of the store. You think maybe they didn't do it, maybe there was a reason that they did it, or you know, maybe they've changed their ways, or maybe you don't care. So yeah, I'm sure there is a romantic element to it. And I'm sure I don't know that I necessarily find it romantic.

Like if you were to write a rom com and it was a correctional officer who found in love with an inmate in this time, I don't know that that would hook me the way these others do. But I'm sure there's Listen, there's someone out there for everyone. It's just yeah, and I found mine. By next week, I'll have a different guy in the background. Here's the deal.

Is he still there? Because okay, that's good, because what are you gonna say, Well, you keep talking about how you're going to move to London and you found your every day. I just want to make sure I don't see him tiptoeing out with the suitcase after he hears these things. I'm actually in prison and he's my is in guard. No. I just I just think that you know whether or not you want to consider this a workplace.

This is kind of a don't ship where you eat situation, and maybe that is exactly what I'm doing here in Avisa. But you know what, some birds just don't want to fly free. Yeah I don't. In fairness, I don't see your situation as the same as this one. You're not being held because you've done something wrong, Yeah, I don't. Do you feel like there's a part of you that thinks that they wanted to get caught. I guess that

always crosses my mind when people do something stupid. But then I realized that, no offense, there are just some stupid people out there. I mean, they just get caught secretive about it. Yeah, it's like they were overdoses, so obviously there were drugs coming in. Then they have text messages. It's like, grow up, understand that if you're texting someone

anything at any point, it will be made apparent. Yeah, don't see the benefit to um to wanting to get caught on that one unless it's like a guilt thing and you're like, I've done this and now I need to get out of it. But it didn't seem like that's what it was. It's not like they're gonna be locked up together. It's not They're like they're like they're gonna be like, all right, well, you guys obviously broke the law here, we're gonna let them free and you

guys go live. There was no benefit to this unless it was just getting rid of guilt. But I feel like, again, there's a different way to do that. Yeah, I I think that you're right though, I think that they need to start rotating. Well, maybe it really messes up their lives because maybe they're they live in somewhere and they don't want to keep moving around to different facilities, you

know what I mean. Correctional officers. So it's like I could see why they wouldn't want to continually uproot their lives every three to six months or six months to a year, or whatever it is. But maybe they need to take a closer peak and evaluate making sure no one's getting too connected to each other. Yeah, just put them. They don't have to like move to a different state. These states that we're talking about, I think have multiple

correctional facilities. Just rotate them around. It's kind of like working at different Starbucks. By the way, Um, I just wrote down a little note a few minutes ago. You said, by the way, you're right, Dmitri. So I think we're gonna use that as one of the social media clips. Doesn't out of context? Is fine. I just want that, And I think that's where we're gonna end today, Guys. I think that's what we're gonna end today, where Dmitri feels empowered. Oh my god, I forget I got a compliment.

All right, you run off, go have fun with Andrew. We'll wrap up early. First of all, it's Adam. Second of all, it might be Andrew next week. Third of all, I like that me saying that you're right, is considered a compliment that I mean, I gotta better, I gotta do better. Dmitri, Well, you start off every episode with this is sometimes now more than likely more often and like he could possibly make it. So he's saying I'm right, it's and then telling me that you didn't have to

ask permission for a commercial break. Trust me, all this stuff gathers up. So when you say you're right, it is a compliment and you go have fun with I'm not gonna keep it anymore. You have fun with Adam, right, Adam hilarious. And you know if I think that, I think the listeners deserve to see him. So so, Tara, our producer, if you want to just add a quick clip of earlier when Dmitri, when you guys got to meet him. You know, so be it. So just add the clip when she goes, hold on, I just want

you to see something. And he walked in and I just started laughing. I felt bad for him, but I'm sure Helen, Oh boy, I am a nightmare. All right, you guys, this has been another episode of Real Time Crime. I'm Leo Lamar. You can find me at Leo Lamar. That's right, with two urs on Twitter and Instagram and TikTok with five hours why I don't know what. I messed up my TikTok account a while ago. And that's

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