Strangest Things

Well that's I know, it's exciting. And um, if a British boyfriend, not to brag, but to brag, oh my gosh, you just use the boyfriend were I know? I know, I went to Europe and I bought the first house I saw, so um, just so we're clear, then, the crime that has been committed is that your single life has been assassinated by yeah, yeah, by And we're referring to Adam, right, and his name is Adam. Oh my god, poor guy. He's sitting by himself on the bed doing

work and he just seems content. That's what you need. That's a good thing in a relationship. He just looked at me. Oh no, he just said help me. He does not helped me. But bad news for you, boo. I'm the only one here. He's so trapped. Okay. Anyway, um, this is a future crime for sure, a future crime of fashion. Sorry, Adam, you were great while you last it. Anyway,

you guys, so many hilariously odd stories this week. Yeah, I mean it's and it's kind of a nice change of pace from there's been some heavy stuff lately, so it's nice to get. And not any crime is good, but some of this stuff is very strange. Some of the stuff is very bizarre. And not that any of these are ha ha funny. People are dying, but they

are strange, so let's put it that way. Number one, Number two, Yes, I'm in Paris for the keeping score following along with my Instagram and for those of you who are not, this has really been I'm exhausted. I'm I'm ready to come home, but I'm not not ready to come home. You've been going for like, what is it like six months? Now five weeks? Same? But you know what, I've never been to Europe, so I think I'm just at this like a backlog for all the

trips I should have taken. Yeah, listen, um, and your first out of Europe and you come home with a boyfriend. That's pretty good, not bad, right, I mean most people study it when they go to college and they spend over six months. I didn't even do that, so I would say this is my college study abroad. I also, you know, godboyfriend and um who knows, probably COVID. It's just like really hard to say what else has been going on here? So which of these things are you

bringing home? Hopefully not COVID, just COVID. Okay, So, so Adam lives there, Adam lives in the UK. No one cares about besides us. Oh, I see, I've never seen to get so deflated. I don't think that just means you don't want to talk about it. Yet it is not that I don't want to talk about it. He lives in London and we're going to figure out the distance situation. M All right, babe, do you care that I'm telling everyone about our love life? He said no. So, I mean he has to get used to I remember,

I want to stay with this guy. He was like, I don't want to be in your set. Don't put me in your stand up, and I was like, well, I don't want to date you, and you do stand up you have a podcast, he's willing to be in. It's all right, good, you gotta come along for the ride. You know. It's like, if you don't want to be in my stand up set, means you don't want to be part of my life, right because your life is a stand up set. Because my life I just talked

about what's going on. My life is comedy, you know. I talked about what's going on. So if people don't want to be part of that, then they don't want to be part of this anyway. So you know what, let's just get back to crime. You know what really matters today. We're gonna be talking about an Arizona man charged after mowing down and killing a bicyclist with his truck. It was a hit and run. A woman calling out an Indiana pastor for taking her virgin virginity at sixteen.

A sheep found guilty and sentenced to three years in jail for killing a woman in Africa, And then we will be talking about our main crime for today, the murders of Dennis and normal Wood Druffe. A feel like we just got to clarify one thing, because we said these stories were lighter and more fun and I was really just thinking about the sheep one. Um, yeah, me too, to be honest, that's just sheep going to jail is kind of a hilarious thought. But also people are dead,

so it's not that funny. It's not funny. Well you know us, and by us, I mean me. Okay, So alright, so the first story. You know, look, I know that this is a podcast and so most of you are not looking at anything, but I do need you to google this guy because we're about to roast the ship out of him. Sorry, sorry, but this man looks like an overgrown potato. He looks like he swallowed a brick. He does. He does have some sort of melting um look to him, you know, kind of a job of

the hut melting. And listen, I want this clear. Now, we're we're coming out. We're not shaming this guy because he's heavy. This is not a fashiaming thing. This is a shaming this guy because he's a douche bag who killed someone on a bike and took off. If we're not allowed to roast murderers, who are we allowed to roast. Yeah, and you know, it looks like he's got a thyroid issue. M Do you think he has tonsilitis amongst the stuff. Yes, it does look like when you get um an ice

cream cone and they overdo it on the scoops. Yeah, he looks now ed from ninety fiance won't feel so alone. Yes, good, he's got a twin brother. Well, let's so let's explain what he did. This way we can kind of hate him even more. All right, Okay, So our first case for today is an Arizona man charged after mowing down

and killing a bicyclist with his truck. So the culprit has been identified as thirty nine year old Fernando Ramos and his victim identified as six year old George Cooper, who died on the scene of the hit and run. I don't know why people think that they get they're going to get away with hit and runs, do you No, I don't. There's cameras everywhere nowadays, there's also I witnesses everywhere, and it's like you're in a you're in a truck with a license plate with and this guy is This

guy doesn't blend into a crowd. No, he sure does not. The Sheriff's office received multiple calls for the collision involving a car on a cyclist. When police arrived, he'd already fled the scene, and he didn't even try to help Cooper and witnesses said that they saw his Chevy truck crash into the cyclist, drag him along the road, and then run him over just before fleeing the scene. So so let's back that up for a second. So if you accidentally hit somebody and you stop, that is the

best case scenario. You get out and you help him. This guy kept going, therefore dragging this guy and ultimately running him over and then taking off. So zero regard for human life. This was a sixty year old guy riding his bike. He could have saved and or helped at any point before actually murdering him, but who knows. At one point he was already dead. And I understand, I understand panic when things go wrong, but I think that's when you're really gotta take over and you've got

to think, Okay, let's make this the it's this. It's the same thing with the people that running from anything. If you did it, I know you don't want to own up to it because you're terrified. But make it the best case scenario. When you people start lying to the police, it's the same, it's the same thing. Stop you're making it worse. Anytime someone runs, it's basically showing an admission of guilt. You're freaked out, you don't want

to do you run. So apparently he was biking. Cooper was biking the northeastern lane of the road and had a small trailer hitch to him when he was struck. Even he a small trailer, it's like you can't miss him. It was visible. Yeah, that worried me at first when I first read that, because small trailers are usually like kids in the back, but apparently not. Like, yeah, no one else was hurt. Fortunately. Why do you think people think they can just get away with it. I don't know.

I think I think the initial thing has got to be their fear, and they're just they just want to get out of there and hope that everything's fine. But again, like we said, not the right thing to do. Two, you have to have like something like this, And I'm not this guy. I don't put him in the same the same category as someone who goes out and and commits a murder on purpose, because I do think this was an accident that he panicked and ran from, but

he still now did murder someone. Right? Do you think he knew he was dead when he fled or do you think he just thought maybe he was injured and someone come and help him. I mean, why not check? That's the best. Why not check? Why not check? But also, let's be honest. This guy has super distinctive features. Like I said, he looks like the Michelin man. He's not Yeah, he's not blending into a crowd, right, So so how does he think that someone who looks this distinctive will

just be able to not get away with it? That he doesn't think he's gonna get recognized and caught. He's not an average looking person. It's very specific, very specific. Like imagine if you had balls but they were under your ears. Well, give me a moment on that one, because I haven't thought about that before. Um, he looks like he was a snake that just swallowed a mouse. Like that's where we're at with this guy. It looks like he's a flesh tire, a flesh colored tire around

his neck. Yeah, Um, you're right. He looks like one big testicle, just live action, Mr potato Head. Yeah, and this is this is not even someone that is gonna be like if he's seen, if there's like a red light camera right or any one of those things, you're going to see him through the windshield. Didn't know exactly who this is. This isn't the type of guy that you run into every day. So clearly again not thinking because he got he did get Thankfully he did get caught.

I just he did. He did because he was so specific looking that they were able to track him down. Yeah, and not to be lost in this in the in the roasting that we're doing with him, or the anger that we're throwing towards him, is that a sixty year old guy was out riding his bike and and was killed. And we don't know at what point he died, but I can guarantee you if he dragged him and then ran over him, if he had stopped right away and done something, then things could have at least been better.

I wonder. Yeah, man, this is one of those things that just makes you feel like it wasn't an accident because it's so strange. Yeah, I mean, it could have been there could have been like a road raiser, something right, something so odd, not that we're upstanding citizens or the you know everybody I am. I was just throwing Actually I was throwing myself in the category with you. I figured you were already in that category of not being um. But shit, guys, do the right thing, like try try

and act like you're living in a society. If you do something that's an accident, limit limit the repercussions for yourself and for others. Dmitri. The heart and soul of this podcast mostly just the soul and the heart. But there's no brains, so we're no brains, no brains. But but that's fine, we don't need that here. And you guys, this next one, I mean, this next hot topic is really heartbreaking, not that they're all not heartbreaking, but this

one specifically affects me. So a woman calls out an Indiana pastor for taking her virginity at the age of sixty mean, and there is a full clip where someone has filmed part of it. Someone has filmed part of her going up and yelling at this pastor in front of the church. So if you want to listen to that, go ahead and take a listen later. But it's I mean, it's did you watch any of that? Did watched the whole thing? And it starts with this pastor speaking to

his congregation and saying, oh, I did something twenty years ago. Um, you know I committed adultery. Um to say, plainly, I didn't make a mistake, I didn't have any I didn't have an affair. I just had a misjudgment and I sinned. And I'm here, I'm and I feel like I gotta tell you. So I'm asking you for for your forgiveness. So in the beginning, as you think these parishioners with this very accepting of him coming clean about something he said it was twenty years ago. Then when he's done,

this woman comes up. Wait wait But also before you stay that, he got around of applause after that from the congregation standing ovation. If I'm a standing ovation, okay, And it's like bos Lerman got a twenty minute standing ovation at can at the end of Elvis, like that was deserved different reasons. This this seems a little odd, okay, no, no,

please to me. So So okay, I get parishioners see their pastor come clean and say I too, ifs, and maybe they're like, okay, so they give him a standing ovation. But he did this, and he had to have knowingly done this, so she must have said, hey, I'm going to tell people about this, because then he came clean what he claims after twenty years. She gets up and goes to the microphone with her now husband and says,

it wasn't twenty years ago. It was twenty seven years ago, and I was sixteen, and all of a sudden, you can feel through this video, you can feel the energy in this in this church shift, and all of a sudden, it's dead silent. She goes on to describe some more stuff, and she, you know, and she said she wasn't the only one. That he molested women fifteen sixteen seventeen, went on for years, and that he took her virginity on the floor of his office. Ye, and she says, do

you remember that. I know you remember that, And she approached with her husband, who then also took the microphone, and he was saying, you know, I met her right after this, and you know, we started dating right after this, and I remember all this going down and and this is all true, and it's interesting because it seemed planned to do it with her there, But there's something that makes me feel like either she agreed to just yes and it and then decided to kind of just hijack

and tell the full story. And she was saying, you know, I can call them, I can call these other women right now, and I can have them on the phone stating exactly what you did to them, or or do you think that. I mean, it's just weird because you know, obviously he's stepping down from the congregation that he was saying that he sinned and that he didn't make a misjudgment, that it was just sinning. No, that's a miss judgments. It's everything he said it wasn't along with what he

said it was is all of that. Yeah, it's a mistakes, he said. I didn't make a mistake. You made many mistakes. He says, I committed adultery. And I gotta tell you, cheating on your wife was not the worst thing that you did in that scenario, So don't lead with that. This guy is a full and piece of ship. Yeah. And then so I don't know if there was an agreement where he's like, I'm gonna come clean, but then he gets up there and he lies about the facts, and it's like, so, so now you're just making it

better on yourself. I wonder, you know what, I wonder if she said she was going to come forward and he was like, no, no, I have an idea. How about I just tell everyone in the congregation what I've done, and let's let's call it even instead of her, you know, going because the me too movement is I mean, it could have been that. And then she just decided to grandstand it. And she said, so, I guess it went

on for a for a while. And she said, you know, as she lived for twenty seven years in this prison, and she said, wasn't till she got married with this husband and she found the strength to to not feel shame for this. And she says she was sixteen. She he groomed her, and then he carried on this thing as if they were it was consensual, but it wasn't. And now she's like, so now she says, she's finally feeling free for having completed twenty seven years she lived

with this because she's strong. No, it went on and on, and it wasn't just for her, it was other women as well. And I'm sure they'll come forward and share all of their stories. And I think, however, this was manufactured to go down, you know, I I think she's really brave. The fact that she just came forward in front of all these people is talking about getting molested, and I mean rape, right, I mean this is rape.

It's super brave, and it's it's you know, hopefully it's empowering to the other women that that are feeling that shame as she was feeling to to start to heal, is to start to feel better. And I think she did it for them as much as she did it

for herself. And her husband seems like a sweet, loving, really compassionate man who also, unfortunately, it does feel a lot of times like women need a man to back them up for people to take their claim seriously, right, And so in that same video, you'll see when I said, the room started to shift, the people started. The persons who once stood and applauded him started calling back out

is this true? How old was she? So they started peppering him with questions and that you could feel they were I'm actually surprised he got out of there alive, because you could feel them the anger starting to brew up there. Right, it got really hot, really quick, as it should have. And you know, I think he tried to go out gracefully, but now it's disgracefully because however grateful you can make. Yeah, he tried to make it all poetic. I didn't make a mistake, I didn't have

an affair. I've sinned, and now I'm asking for your forgiveness, thank you. And he gets a standing ovation. He must have been right. He must have been thinking, oh, I'm

getting out of this. Yeah, literally right up. Yeah, And I'm so glad she got up and did what she did, the strength that it took for her to do that, and then for everybody to all of a sudden you know, it's not the same thing at all, but just because of the likeness of it, when you go back to the Will Smith thing at the Oscars, remember everybody applauded him after the thing. It was like he got a standing ovation. And it's like, I wanted people to turn

right then and there. And you know what, when when I saw the standing ovation at the beginning of this was like, I really hope there's more to this video. And when they started to turn and they then you could see them as she and her husband were walking out. They were reaching out to her, and they were and there was you know, lending her support and saying that they were there and and asking for forgiveness for something

that they hadn't done. I think the difference between Hollywood and church is that church believes in hell and there's no God, there's nothing, just straight up else. So I used it burgatory, I said, hell I said, but I said, no, I think you know, it's, um, Hellywood, pretty pretty clear why these people start I I hope. I mean, I'm actually happy that they turned and started asking questions. I mean him, and I'm glad. Yeah, because he, you know, like we said, he thought, Okay, i'm gonna do this.

I'm gonna leave out some info. I'm gonna get it done. I'll look like a hero, I'm gonna get out of here. And he didn't, which is exactly the beginning of what he deserves, lying by omission. Yeah. Um, but what I'm tired of. I'm tired of is is people you know, using their religion as like a get out of jail free card. Okay, we see it a lot nowadays. We see it with guns, we see it with all this different stuff, and it's like, well, you know God told me to do this, or you can't do this because

Jesus says it in the Bible. You're not speaking for him, okay, And you shouldn't be making laws for other people. So that goes. There's a lot of stuff. Now I'm talking about guns, I'm talking about abortion. I'm talking about people pointing fingers that like family values and and divorced families and religion, and that's their excuse for everything. And this guy right here, he tried to do the same thing. That was his excuse. I've sinned and now I'm coming clean.

Thank you for forgiving me. It's like, hold up, we're not playing that game anymore. And I am a religious person. I did grow up going to a church, but I don't I don't buy the free pass thing. This really reminds me of the Kevin Spacey ordeal, who, by the way, is now going to be representing himself in court because he wants more stage time. Yea perfect, but do you remember when Kevin Spacey got me too? It's like, whoever Kevin space seing this pastor is working with for PR

that person is getting paid millions of dollars. I mean, they have a very good pr person. Kevin Spacey was like, oh, yeah, you know what I did read a young man, But it's because I was afraid to tell people I'm gay. I'm gay now see, and and can't can't you just applaud me for the fact that I'm coming out and I'm a proud gay man. We're like, huh right, hold up, and you know what that's excuse it's the exact same thing as that guy we talked about before that the

hit and run. No, because you know why while you were doing what you're telling us you were doing with Kevin Spacey was saying, you dragged somebody else down, and you hurt someone else beyond you know, hopefully not beyond repair at all, but certainly a long journey to deal with that. And no, you don't when you do that and you take someone else down than the the hero

the heroic story of I was afraid and now I'm not. No, because you ruined other people's lives, right, And I just think that these people who think so highly of themselves, who are like, yeah, so I did that thing, but you know, I still deserve applause. It's like, what right, the guy still deserve to be loved by everyone after I it's like, huh and I'm being I'm being honest and I'm coming out about it, yeah twenty seven years later, because yeah, same thing with Kevin Spacey. Yeah you're coming

clean because you got busted right right right right? Uh them both moving on. Yeah. And also it's like, how dare you do that to the gay community, right right, because there's people that are that are legitimately struggling to come out and they're not doing the things that you did, but you're making it harder on on everybody, and you're being selfish and you're yeah self or whatever. Okay, anyway, Happy Pride month. Alright, So we're moving along to our

next hot topic. This one is so bonkers, you guys. A sheep has found guilty and sentenced to three years in jail for killing a woman in Africa. I think that a sheep has been found guilty and has been sentenced to prison. I think Peter has gone too far this time. We don't they don't need equal rights, you know what I mean? Like this is the vegan movement has to stop. I've never heard of an animal being

sent to prison. No, this is bizarre. So the sheep has been found guilty and sentenced to three years in jail for killing a woman in Sudan, Africa, in an area called a Coulo. I probably mispronounced that I'm sorry you to Matrid. It's reported that earlier this month, the police in South Sudan took a sheep into custody. Do you think that they interrogated it? Where were you the night of April fifteen at nine pm? You know, it's like what um? After it attacked a forty five year

old woman named a Dude Chapping. It's reported that the ram repeatedly headbutted her and broke her ribs. Now, I gotta know what the sheep said. Its motive was right, I mean, but that's the thing. We we interrogated it, it was found it found it guilty. It's like okay, so but also so unfortunately, while she was recovering from the sheep attack, she passed away from her injuries. And I don't know what else to say, but they literally said they apprehended the ram and then put it into custody.

Do you think it's Do you think it's a there's a bail set for it. So I mean, they're gonna put sent this to three years in jail. So there are they gonna put this sheep in a in a prison, which, by the way, is just a zoo, right, because when you put an animal behind bars, it's a zoo. First of all, clap clap, clap, Peter loves you. Second of all, the owner, by the way, they said, is innocent and the ram is the one who penetrated the crime. Perpetrated I'm I I have something on the mind. Who knows

what it could be, but um, I'm gonna need a moment. Okay, Yeah, you can take the girl out of Paris, but you can't take that I'm gonna stop the girl. Okay, alright, So the owner is innocent and the ram is the one who perpetrated the crime, so it deserves to be arrested. And apparently the ram was a neighbor of this woman. And then later on they said that the case will be forwarded to customary court where the case can be

handled amicably. Okay, So I appreciate the fact that the owner is innocent, because unless he trained this sheep to head butt and like showed her showed him a picture and center after that, then you know, fine, So I'm glad that the owner is not being you know, dragged

into something because his sheep did something ridiculous. I agree wholeheartedly. However, I think everyone probably listening to this podcast or you know, at least that lives in the United States, is used to when when an animal attacks and kills someone, that animal is then euthanized. Yes, like when dogs bite humans, et cetera. Right, and that fact, there was a story

I just saw this morning. There was a nine year old in like Washington that was playing hide and seek outside and I I was like a mountain, lion or something attacked her. She's in the hospital. I believe she's going to be fine, but it's like so something like that, right, remember the kid that fell in the zoo in Cincinnati and the and then they ended up, you know, killing the gorilla like this. I'm not I'm not taking one side of the other, but that's the stuff that happens.

The fact that this sheep is being sentenced to prison shows you a difference in these countries. Well. Also, if the sheep was a person, wouldn't they be put under death row perhaps perhaps or whatever, depending on what the laws are there. Yeah, I don't know what the I think that's what it comes down to. It's a good point. Whatever the laws are, they're they're very bizarre. I don't know how many animals the animals they have killing humans there and how many times they've had a trial like this.

It doesn't sound like they were scrambling for pressing it right. Well. Also, let's be honest, how long did the sheep live? Because three years could be a life sentence. True, I don't know. I don't know the lifespan of a sheep. I think it's time to go to break And this has been an episode of stupid news coming to you live by

leand Dmitri. Al Right, guys, don't touch that dial. We'll be right back, and don't commit any crimes while you listen to a fabulous app bear ba hey, welcome back to real time crime folks, Sam, your hostly A Lamar, and I have with me Dmitri Pappas Pampas Pampas PAPIs sorry, Tom Trie episode likes living in Hell. Okay, Hollywood was the baby? All Right, you guys, it's time for our drum roll please main case of the day. There's a

very fast. Drum roll, Thank you you guys. This show Double Life, Double Murder is now streaming on Hulu and there's a twenty investigation. Now. If you have not heard about the murders of a married couple, Dennis and Normal Woodruff, you're about two. So what happened? Here's the nitty gritty. A friend discovered married couple Dennis and Normal Wouldroffe murdered in their home located in Rose City, Texas, in October

two thousand five. Authorities quickly suspected the couple's son, Brandon, who was the last person to see his parents alive. According to reports, Brandon had dinner with his parents and leader left for Abilene. Friends of Brandon testified that he was supposed to pick them up at five PM and Dallas the day of the murder for right to Abilene University, but didn't arrive until ten pm. After ten pm, Dennis

and Norma not good. Doesn't look good for Brandon. Dennis and Norma were found with bullets and stab wounds to their necks and faces. So this is a huge act of violence, right because someone wouldn't normally be dead after one bullet perhaps one stab wound, but it wasn't. It wasn't a just a quick crime where you think, oh my god, what have I done? Clearly when you follow stuff up with more, right, whoever, this person was really one of these people dead dead dead dead for sure.

The mother had multiple gunshots to the face and her throat was slit, so you know, someone who was very angry or really wanted to make sure that there was no chance that they would live. Okay, So the sun is the is the main suspect, and like, like we pointed out, he was supposed to be somewhere at five, he didn't show up till after ten. If it's legitimately, is just a case of running five hours late. Not the great not the best day for that to have

that have been done. Okay, So then authorities say I recovered weapon, a dagger with one of the doms DNA that they said belonged to Brandon could have been used in the crime, and they found it in a barn, and investigators argued that the dagger was the weapon used to stab the couple, but Brandon claimed that his father

had accidentally cut his hand with it long before. This is starting to sound like the amount of ox case records show that there were no signs of forced entry or stolen items, and that the killer had cleaned up in a bathroom of the home before fleeing. This scene sounds like someone who A knew the property well, b had access to the property. See, didn't want anything besides

the death of these two people. Right, um, D knew where the bathrooms we were and felt felt clear enough on whatever these two people's schedules were, that no one else was going to come to the house at any point for anything, right, good point, because they felt they had enough time to clean up in the bathroom. Brandon was arrested six days later after authorities found irregularities in his testimony. Oh really Okay, so you guys, now we

get into the nitty gritty. A jury found Brandon guilty after hearing from the persecution that Brandon had killed his parents to receive their life insurance and live freely his secret life as a gay man in Dallas. So apparently he was going back and forth from university where he would go to Dallas and actually go out of state

from Texas to film adult movies. Ak he was doing porn, gay porn, and he was a gay man in this other life that he had, but he even had a girlfriend, and I guess he was just living a full on double life. So he was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. He's already served thirteen years of his life sentence and he maintains that he is innocent.

He claims that this is an anti gay bias influenced people and the jury in his Texas Bible Belt City did not want him to be free, and since they had no other suspects, they just wanted to pin it on him, and Brandon says that he was falsely characterized as a wild gay man who was living a double life by the persecution in order to convince a very conservative jury. He said, I'm innocent. I didn't kill my

parents at all. I think you should look at the totality of the evidence instead of pointing to any other information. Although I did read that I guess his mom had blonde hairs in her hand when she was found dead, and they never tested the DNA on it, and they

don't know where the hair is now. He does have blonde a share, by the way, and you would assume that it was her trying to defend herself against the killer and that would probably really lock In this case, authorities claimed that Brandon was living this double life, skipping

college classes, going to Dallas for wild adventures. You know, this is usually what the what um what the prosecution does when they're trying to pin it on some and as they paint someone a villain, which is exactly what happened to a man in Ox case, when that Italian prosecutor was trying to paint her as Foxy Knoxy, you know, this sex enthused center who was having these like villainous

sex parties that were Satan involved. It's like what anyway, so they try to character but so and you could see why this would work in a small Texas town. Exactly having like weird you know, weird homosexual you know parties and filming that is enough to get people in a small Texas town riled up and wanting to shut that down. So you could see that as as potentially what happened. Right, And so his grandmother, Bonnie, has stood by his innocence, paying for his legal fees and supporting

his attempts to appeal his conviction. The Innocence Project of Texas is now reviewing his case and the gun connected to the killings was never found, but it's believed he stole a gun from his ex girlfriend's mother's house, and apparently the mother said that the gun and bullets were missing, and it is exactly the type of bullets that were found at the scene, and it's very possible he had been there the weekend before that he had stolen the gun,

but no one can prove it because they haven't found the gun. But it seems a little too convenient in my opinion, that she is in fact telling the truth. The problem for him is he says, don't look at the fact that I had this other life going on. Look at the what do you say that the totality, right, And he said, look at that. But right now, that's all still pointing to him, right, there's no other suspect. Look, he grew up super popular that he was really beloved.

He was outgoing, he was an animal lover. He was president of the Future Farmers of America. He had a steady girlfriend, and he was voted most school spirit. So you know, when you have someone who's painted as this really good kid, it's um away for them to say, no, how could it be him? He's so gentle, he's so lovely, everyone loved him. He couldn't be him being the murderer.

I find the Yeah, I find the life insurance thing a little more difficult to believe because but I know people do this, but killing people doesn't get you that life insurance right away. You're going to be a suspect, especially because of it. I can't imagine that he did this because he wanted that. It seems way too careless. I just wonder if it's FROs But that could be a reason, because if you start back a second, you

froze there, you said. I just wonder. I just wonder if his parents were against homosexuality, and so he felt like he could never be himself or come out. And maybe maybe it's something that's just been brewing for a while. Maybe, and that's certainly a storyline that that could be feasible. But know, just leave, man, leave. We need a motive.

And and so that's the other thing is like I want more information about this case, and obviously I think we'll receive it on But apparently eight of the twelve jurors admitted to believing homosexuality was morally wrong. Do you think that they should have been able to serve on the jury. No, no, I don't. Uh no, I don't, because that's the main thing that they're painting him with. And you know, then you're getting into his lifestyle. Is fine if if he was doing those things, that is

in his right to do. But that's what it goes back to what we said earlier in the show. You can't then have someone come in that's super religious and be like, no, I think that's wrong. Therefore I think he killed his parents. There's two different things. I know. I also, you know it took him thirteen years to finally give a TV interview and explain why he's innocent.

That seems like a very long time. I feel like you would want to do earlier if you were Indeed, I feel like you would want to do that earlier. This feels like some sort of weird last Hurrah cry for attention, wait to Gardner support. I don't even know. I mean, I don't know who the other suspects are. It just seems like all science point to him. But I think the question is why is it really all

about this life? Like, did anybody interview the grandmother? Was she on the stand during this the grandmother that supports him that I don't know, because I'd like to hear her story about the about the family dynamic and this and that and why she thinks he didn't do it or what I mean. Listen, this is this is the movie Watcher and me going into this. But it's like who knows, you know, like American Beauty, who knows what's

going on with the dad? Right? Who knows what the situation was growing up, if there was any kind of physical abuse or this and that. So I think all of that kind of stuff plays into this. I don't think you can just pit it on that he was a while guy. And this reminds me of did you ever hear that there was that case, um, that whole family got murdered in like Indiana and wanted It was a pastor and his family and this is Wasn't this

a case we covered last week Piketown massacres. No, this is oh no, no, no, this is a different family that murdered people, got it, got my mom? So the whole family, well, I mean sorry, there's so many of them, so and so. Um, what it came out to was everybody said, oh, the father and his son were fighting, the son wanted to go to the prom. Father said no, So then they said he went and killed his whole family because he wanted to go. Because then he went

to the prom and they picked him up. I didn't know his family was dead. It was this whole thing, and everyone's like, that's what it was. He was this and they were all quick to point it out and to shut the case. And this that now another true crime podcast. And I don't mind giving their name because

they don't do what we do. But they counterclock did something and they went through and investigated this whole thing, and now they're like, oh, there was a tie where somebody owed money in Florida and they found this whole other thing going on. And that kind of reminds me of this story because it's so obvious that it was

this guy. But you know what, if you had people that knew what they were doing, they could have shown up and they would make it seem like it was They could easily make it seem like it was someone else. Get out of there, clean up what they needed to clean up, get out of there, and make it seem like, oh, the son's the obvious choice. So I don't I can't say for a percent that that he did it, because I think there's a lot of variables in play. Well.

Apparently authorities claimed that his timeline of events were super inconsistent when he was asked about the murders. And you know, we've seen this before where they get forced confection force confessions because they're nervous or shocked or or physically harmed into giving a false confession. They just want to go home, or they want to take a deal or whatever it is, because they're scared and afraid. But apparently so they were killed in a brand new home. They moved to a

new home. They were downsizing, and they were killed in their new home. And according to the timeline, there was maybe about like nineteen minutes in between when people actually saw Brandon and the last phone call that was made to the mom by someone else that the murders could have happened in if it was Brandon. And that's a pretty short amount of time. It is a short amount

of time. And did they go out to dinner or were they because I would love to know if they were out to dinner, I'd love to know people that saw them there was that, you know, a contentious dinner. Were they arguing where they there was between them, any any people that saw them before that, and the grandmother

I'd love to hear from. Yeah, it's interesting because this is a little reminiscent of the Gabby Petito Brian laundry case, where you know, you see all these photos on Instagram and then being a super happy couple and everything's hunky dory, and then when you look at the nitty gritty, they're fighting constantly and there's physical and verbal abuse happening regularly, and we just really don't know what the picture looks

like up close and personal. But that's also don't know until it becomes a TV movie, exactly until Netflix luss, Now, what's up? You know? Man? This case is so heartbreaking, but it's interesting because there are just no other suspects, at least in the amount of Knox case. There was

another suspect, like there's usually or theories, even theories. There's there are no theories about anyone else, right, No, and that doesn't mean that there isn't you know, something like guy was pointing up before there could be something someone could have stopped by in between that time. So so random and seems so unbelievable, but to be honest, all of this seems so unbelievable because that's just not who

we are. But it goes back to what we said, man like, if you're there are plenty of people that don't like their kids, There are plenty of kids that don't like their parents. Just if if, if they don't agree with your life, just move on. Just you know, there's always the possibility of new neighborhood. Maybe people saw who was moving in. Maybe maybe we don't know what the parents were involved in, and there was something much cheaper happening, just like in the Piketown murders where then

suddenly they started chasing it back to Carton. Well whatever they chase down to um anyway. Um, So yeah, we just don't know. But I would suggest watching the Hulu show Double Life, Double Murder, And what do you guys think? What do you guys think? Do you think that Brandon killed his parents brutally murdered his parents for life insurance so that he could start his life anew and have freedom. Do you think that? Or do you think that this case will probably go unsolved and that they may never

find the killer. Yeah, I mean call and let us know, But I think me personally, the life insurance seems like a far fetched to me, but I know people have done it, and I could buy that the jury was a little skewed because it was a small town of Texas and what his lifestyle was doesn't mean he didn't do it. That's I mean. I could also if I want to go running why old with my thoughts here, I could think maybe somebody set him up to be guilty because of that, because they had a problem with that,

because they had a problem to parents or whatever. So oh, the plot thick ends Tomitri right, good, good one. I'm gonna virtually high five you appreciate that, Yeah, guys, d M s let us know what you think. Also for the people who are sending me d ms like hey, I've got two crimes for you with video that no one knows about. I don't want those. Please send them to the police. I am very worried about those. Yeah, yeah,

or send them to Dmitri. I'm not the person that should be looking at those, um, but I do appreciate it. Especially has a boyfriend. She spends way less time in her M just kidding, she's there. Keep writing to her. No, my manager told me he was like, uh so you're getting some weird d M s. And I was like, okay, cool anyway, but do call us, you know, like why

not call us and leave a voicemail. And if the voicemails like, hey, I saw these two crimes and I've got videos, fine, fine, but you know, just let us know if there's a casey thing we should look into. We're always having our eyes and ears open for the hot tips, except for when they should go to the police directly. Well, but I also feel comfortable to listen if you if this is what are safe space, and you want to bring it to us, then we can

discuss it and maybe send it onto the police. Yeah. Actually, yes, you're right, Dmitri. You're right, You're right, right right, if you have information, get it out there, you know what. I guess, that's what we're here for. And if you've committed a crime and you're trying to make it better on yourself by not coming clean, just don't make it make it easy and clean on our voicemail. That's not that's not wearable. But but if we're are safe before

your safe space, this is right. Disagree, agains you know what, fine, call us, but you know, I keep the really intense ones off the voicemail. I mean, I guess they're all intense. Huh No. It's like if you're like, oh, I committed petty theft and stole the staplers from my old place of work, you know, let us know. Yeah. Wow. If you're like, oh, why Jay walked in l A, you know, keep that to yourself. That's very serious. It's very very serious. Yeah,

we don't. We can't handle something like that. That's a crime punishable by death in Los Angeles. Imagine if a sheep jay walked. All right, Well, I think we've come to I think we've come to the end. And just as a reminder, you guys, the voicemail is eight six six twenty one crime. That's eight six six twenty one crime, eight six six twenty one crime. That's eight six six

two on two seven four six three. I just love the fact that Adam is sitting there in this room watching like you had to do that in front of him and he had to sit there and watch it. You guys still together. He's passed out. Do you think we bored him to death? I just looked over to see his look of mortification. And in fact there was nothing. He's just he's sleeping. And I will say that he is committing a crime right now because I've told him

a million times. But I'm like, no outside clothes on the bed and he's passed out on the pillows where I put my face with his dirty jeans. Um, we're gonna have a talk about this. This relationship is over before it started. You guys follow us on Real Time Crime Pod on Instagram. You can find me at le Lamar with two rs on Instagram, Twitter, my Lee Lamar dot com and Leon Lamar at five hours on TikTok for show dates. Usually just Instagram is the place to

find me. I will be back in l A next week, so I will start doing shows in l A again. I will be at the Improv. I got some other shows lined up already and I think I'll be doing some shows in London Sunday Monday. So if you're in London and you hear this Maniana, comma see me, do you have me? I'll give you my schedule. I don't know what that was. I think that's Italian and then and that was that's the only place I haven't been to in Europe. Since I got here, I mean, besides

all the other places. I no offense, but I don't need to go to Germany. Been there, genetically done that. Um, they can you know whatever. I just so Dmitri, we can find you on the internet. Just had Dmitri pappas. They had Dmitri Papas. Yeah, you don't need the Southern accent when you write it a s. Dmitri, Do you hate me? I do? Not really happy. It's better than people who go papas. Anyway, you guys, this has been real. UM, love you so much. Stay safe out there. Don't commend

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