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got Sometimes Dmitri with us. Today we're gonna be discussing the new crime wave of in l A. We'll be revisiting Jesse Smallot, Elizabeth Holmes and getting down to business discussing the case no one seems to want to touch Glaine Maxwell with our first ever social sleuth slash celebrity detective, Justin Anderson. So excited to have him on because he is amped up on his Instagram right now. So it's

the perfect guest. I'm super stoked because it appears that so media is the only place that people are talking about Galaine Maxwell because I have not seen it in the news. Have has anyone else? I haven't seen it in the news. Is why we can, Colonel Yeah, which is why we can cover the hot topics first. Today we're changing it up because we gotta wait for Justin to cover that because he's going to give us every

little detailed plus you know, and more and more. Um, do you want to go like run through the hot topics and then you know for me? And sometimes Dmitri will comment, I just wanted to first check in with everyone. I'm in Florida, the great state of Florida. I did make a Brian laundry joke in Boca at a comedy festival. Didn't go over well. The good people of Florida stand by their own. Um, what was the joke? It doesn't need to be repeated. Well, if you can't repeat it here,

maybe means it shouldn't have Well, well, it was. It was in the middle of a crowd work interaction. Essentially, a man who has a wife asked me out during my set. It was a whole thing. I feel like we're uncovering a crime right here and now, like now I need to know everything about that. I will be happy to bump a hot topic for this one. This is hotter than anything here. Wait, I'm going to be honest. A guy that I like that I met this week in Miami's calling me right now. I'm not going to answer.

Should answer life? All? I answer understood. We'll do that thing where we kind of like vet him for you. Should I do it right now, you guys, yes or no, You gotta make your choice. You're gonna have to brush them off the phone though, so then it'll be awkward. So just wait. Well, well, you don't want to seem like a big deal like, oh, I'm doing my podcast, I'm gonna do my podcast, blah blah blah. It might be too much, especially when we have x U c l A star Kade McNown wife busted for grand theft.

To go over, Well, Teddy is really good it at the segways and you're right. She allegedly lifted some handbags and jewelry from her boss. So former U c l A and NFL quarterback Kate mcnown's wife, she's in super hot water after cops say she hatched and carried out a plan to steal hundreds of thousands of dollars and designer goods from philanthropists Sydney Holland. So Christina McNown is in a bad way at the moment. She lifted Holland's purses, clothing, jewelry.

After a lengthy investigation, this has all been revealed, and sources connected to the investigation tell us that McNown has been a trusted assistant and stylist for Holland for the last twelve years and had easy access to her personal belongings. And she even saw some of the stolen items pop up on sale online. But does she know she's in a bad way, because my understanding is that she's going about businesses. These are just posting happy things on on

her social media and whatnot. Well, she's got four accounts of felony grand theft and is set to be rained in February, so I'm pretty sure she knows things aren't all hunky dory. I've never said hunky dory before. And is it because did you watch The Real Housewives or something? That is you gna say hunky Dorry? No, that is Kathy Hilton said hunky Dorry. And and you know somebody said hunky dorry and Kathy Hilton didn't know what it meant.

And now it's become this meme all these things. But guys, I know Sidney Holland, you do, Yes, I was just looking at our rundown and that's why my mouth was a gap because I know her. Is I mean, isn't that is it a copy? I'm just saying you got on her for hunky dor and you're like, my mouth was a gate well using fun words today to metri okay and try taking the s a t all right. I mean we can't help that. I elevated myself to the eleventh grade and then barely made it through twelve.

But I mean, how do you think you're going to get away with this? No? I just I also heard that she noticed little things missing here and there throughout the years. That's how you think you're gonna get away with it a little by little, but didn't but didn't really think to connect the dots until bom bom boom

one day. Now, can I remind you this is not as big but Cade McNown is the one that had a little scandal of his own when he was at U C. L A. And they were the football team was parking in handicapped spots because they thought there were above everything else. Um, not that it's the same thing, but I feel like maybe in that family, there's a little we'll just do what we want. Maybe they have a little bit of entitlement issues allegedly were their grades handicapped?

That that goes straight to the lawyers. Um, Because yeah, there's a lot to be worried about here in Los Angeles. You're lucky to be at home with your fam right now in Florida. In Florida, well maybe you're not that lucky. But I heard there's an alligator in the swamp and I wanted to interview it to see if it's the one that got Brian. I don't think it's him. I didn't see his teeth in there. But there's been a

violent l a crime wave going on. M hm. So we've heard through the media and seen in socials how the crime wave is taking over Los Angeles. People are getting held at gunpoint on Melrose in the middle of the day while they're outside shopping or having dinner. Most recently, a career criminal was arrested in a fatal shooting of philanthropist Jacqueline Avant at the Lavish brev Bebara heard home, what's happening to me? Lavish? Lavish, lawish? And I also hit my head. So it's are we going to get

through this? Not with that attitude, okay? Lavish Beverly Hills home she shared with her husband, Clarence, who's a ninety year old music producer inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Rock and roll is there's something am I not? Okay, We're gonna have to work on this. I might have to check over the reading. This is a very serious crime and I'm not doing it justice. And it's so upsetting because Jacqueline was so beloved and everyone is blaming the new laws that were put in place by District

Attorney Gusson. Left wing lawmakers and activists pushed a litanyum progressive reforms that helped violent criminals spend less time behind bars, and some say that justice is not only fleeting, but it's twisted. The l a p D Is quoted saying it's a ship show over here. So you know, if the l a p d Is saying it, it's probably true. He says, bad guys are released quicker than we finished the paperwork. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. That's just the tip. I mean, there's a tyson on

the way. I was scared you were going different guys. Come on, I was like, this is a family show. Wait, it's not. We're talking. We're thinking that could have happened. Well, here's the thing. I think everybody gets like there's an overall feeling in the country. I think starting from Kyle Right now, it's not where people think no one's really being held accountable for anything. So I feel like crime is going up because if no one is being held accountable,

then why not just do it broad daylight? On Melrose. People following people up to their doors, like when they're out walking with their kids and stuff. It's insane. What about how they're going into homes. I just read about the arm robbers who came into somebody's house where they were having a party and stole all their watches, their handbags, Like,

I mean, what is happening? I also sell the video did you guys see it of the woman going into her house and with her baby and a stroller and the guys coming in after her and taking her bag, and like she's like having to grab her baby and like protect it. Just it needs to stop. So the gates open to her house, she walks in with her baby. Then these two guys walk in because the gates are still closing, you know, gates take a second to close. They come in. They literally just take her backpack off

of her. She complies, and then it almost looks Teddy stop me if I'm wrong, but it almost looks like they're going for the baby, and she si. I was hoping it was that they were taking like her watch off or something. It did look like that, but I was hoping that's what that was, because then he took something and then turned. But also the comments of the video or like to badge and have a gun. This could have been over. It's like, oh my god, why

is everyone going there? How about people need to stop committing crimes in Los Angeles and getting away with them or committing crimes period. And where it's all stemming from is from l A District Attorney George Gasson, who people

are heavily trying to recall right now. They tried to recall him previously a few months ago, it did not work, and now they're trying again following the fatal shooting of Jacqueline Avant, and support is of the effort announced on the steps of the Hall of Justice on Monday that they're going to serve him with a notice of intent to move him from the office, and organizers have a hundred and sixty days to collect more than thousand signatures of registered voters to do so to begin the process

and have another vote for a recall. So The issue is that he created reform on bail, one of many issues, and so people are blaming this because he wanted to bring um equality into bail, because they were saying that some people weren't able to afford bail and rich people were just getting off because they could afford the bail. So by eliminating bail, essentially it would bring equality to

the jail in prison and crime system. But instead, what it's doing is encouraging criminals to continue to commit crime because there are no punishments. They essentially are let go because there's nothing to hold them in jail, and then they commit crimes again. And I started reaching out to a bunch of my friends, you know, whether they are left or right, or red or blue, or however you want to say it, everybody kind of agrees this guy should be gone. How was he voted in the first place?

Like we spent so much time recalling people that never should be in office to begin with, I I mean, my guess is I mean, I don't know if I can say this, but I think with everything that was happening with Trump, everybody was just so wanting somebody that had progressive thinking and whatnot that they just hoped that this guy would be able to create change, but he's

created the wrong kind of change. And now robberies are up three point two percent this year from last year it was too far the other direction, and homicides are up almost that's it. It's outrageous, and I mean it's getting to the place now where and in Los Angeles you're worried to go even into Beverly Hill to eat or shop or do whatever it may be, because people are just taking matters into their own hands. They want it,

they just take it. And we've got to get back to a place where if you create, if you if you commit a crime, you get in trouble for it, you do the time. Well, so apparently what they're doing, these criminals, a lot of them are career criminals, but they are following wealthy people and watching them shop and then following back to their homes. Yeah, so they're doing they're s talking people essentially, and because nobody's working right now, they have all this time to do this. Yeah, and

it's just frightening. I mean, it's insane. So what you just said, So, like the other day, someone asked my daughter to go hang out somewhere like an outdoor area, like outdoor mall, and I was like, it's I'm sorry, I'm sad to say, but I don't feel comfortable with that. There's so much ship that can go wrong and does go wrong nowadays that I really, you know, I narrow the things that I'm like, is that worth it? Like to think that going to like an outdoor shopping area

is now a gamble? Going to the school is now a gamble. I mean, even think about what the Michigan school shooting. She does it again, I know, I know, but effortlessly. We'll talk about it in a second. I just wanted to say one more thing. I remember in the very beginning of the pandemic, when everyone is afraid to leave their houses because we didn't understand the pandemic quite yet, and everyone thought if he stepped outside, you'd probably die. Crime was down because no one was leaving

their houses. But then once people started to understand how the virus worked, or they had already gotten COVID and gotten over it, people started committing crimes again. And the air bag was stolen off my steering wheel. That's how desperate people started to get. And then on top of the new reforms. It need it impossible for them to go back to not committing crimes. So a lot of people don't have jobs. They just continually commit crimes. What do you do with a loose air bag? Oh my god,

can you believe this? Apparently it's super valuable. So he stole the horn and my airbag. It's so expensive. It almost totally look for the guy walking around beeping. You know what, totaled my car. That's hilarious. Demitri Um. Yeah, it was such a bummer, except for the fact that I did get a convertible for a month and that was not a bummer. So thank you who to whoever stole I don't invite crime. Please ustume my air bag now, thank you. It's it's happened once and that shan't happened again.

It can't, it will not. The Michigan High school shooting. A gunman opened fired Oxford High School in Michigan on Tuesday I room, shooting eleven people. Four students were killed and several others were critically and seriously entered. Ethan Crumbly, a fifteen year old student, was later arrested in connection with the shooting. The authority said he was charged on Wednesday with one count of terrorism causing death and four counts of first degree murder, which could lead to a

life stiff sentence if he's convicted. And then you know, there's so so many victims involved, so much trauma involved. But the part that gets me even to the next level is what his mom said to him in response, Leah, can you yeah, I already know where you're going with this, And she was saying, Law, I'm not mad at you. You have to learn to not get caught like I can't understand. I mean as a parent, I just I can't grasp this. I one, I didn't know that it was LAWL. I thought it was l O L. But

it also, um, it's not the same thing. No, she said, Law, And I was like, shoot, is that what has spent this whole time? I've been spelling it out. I am old, I am a parent. But the fact that this terrible thing happened and he did like created all of this, like murder and that's the response from your parents. Of course this is going to happen, Teddy. It's a parent, You're a parent. I just wanted to let that sink in for a second, but also to play on words.

Thank you everyone. I was disturbed that his parents bought the semiotic semi automatic handgun as a Christmas gift. So it's actually not surprised that she said that. Well, and she also when she heard about the the live shooter or whatever active shooter, she texted him and said, don't do it or whatever the exact words were. But that's not Also like that means it was already on her radar that he that that he might do that. Well,

then he does it, and that's how she reacts. But also if he if she's responding that to what he just did, what has she done? I mean, I know you can't speculate that, but like, if this is the way that you're raising your kids, if this is the things that you're saying, I'm worried to know you know what kind of place you're even growing up. Well, the other thing is that you know connecting this to Brian Laundre, a bit who also drew disturbing images and was obsessed

with blood and and and in dark images. Right, this boy was apparently um drawing scrawled images of a gun. Um. He there was a person who had been shot at and he put a laughing emoji and the words blood everywhere and the thoughts won't stop. Help me. So I think it's pretty clear to say, and I don't mean this in a funny way, but this is connected to

mental illness. Yeah, I mean, but it it makes you really think about in the schools when you start to see these red flags, what actions are being taken in that moment. What are they doing to help these kids that are obviously being raised in a setting where you're getting guns as presents. And apparently, on the morning of November the shooting, the suspect's parents were called into the high school after one of his teachers found the alarming

notes and drawings. So there was preemptive behavior that was obviously showing that he was deranged, and he was he he was with them in that meeting and they said this has to be taken care of, and then he got sent back to class, and I mean he planned it well before the incident. I mean, I still think the parents need to be charged. I think they will be. I think they will be. I think they are possibly going to be charged for involuntary manslaughter. Wow, yeah, I

think they weren't. The charges were brought up and then they disappeared for a while, not the charges, the parents, and then the lawyer was like, oh, they're going to turn themselves in, but then they found them hiding in a warehouse, so clearly they weren't. But then they said they caught him and brought him in and they're all being held separately with no communication that the husband, the wife, and the son are all being held in different areas.

So it's so sad. It's sad that we are at that place where you have to worry to send your kids that are older to outdoor place or to school or because guns are readily available to people who are already suffering. Yeah, and also, you know a lot of times people say guns don't kill people. People kill people,

but but that's no. That's the thing is though. It seems though that he was already on a path to hurting other people and hurting himself potentially to himself potentially sure, And it just seems like this person should not be around any type of weapon, whether it's a knife or whatever is available. It seems like this person was genuinely out for blood and it's so disturbing. I mean, children shouldn't have guns, Adults maybe we can't even get into this.

We can't, we can't get into this right day. Maybe we should get into CNN. That seems like a person easy to pick a fight with. I think I think it's time for us to go straight into CNN. CNN fires Chris Cuomo. What are y'all thoughts on this? You know, I missed the beginning of the pandemic where everyone was calling Cuomo Zaddy, I loved him. I do I miss it. I think Chris Cuomo is super hot, would bang and look, he doesn't have any allegations against him for sexual assault?

He does now there's an allegation. Yeah, so no, I just thought he was terminated for helping his brother will possibly cover up this. That was important. But I guess there was something sixteen years ago allegedly that he I don't know exactly what the charges are, and I don't want to say something incorrect. It's going to have to be cut out of this episode, but there's some rumblings of that going on. However, I did read that he had apologized to the person the person had forgiven him,

that this was all cleared up sixteen years ago. M hmm, So do we think this person is coming forward now because he's in the spotlight around it. I don't it's this is very I think this is what CNN must have gotten wind of, and that's why we don't know much information as slews and we can't really get the full info. But you know, I just I think it's also hard. I mean, and I know he got a lot of heat for helping his brother get a lawyer. Um, And then it draws the question, you know, like when

is helping your family member too much? In my opinion, I think obviously the loundry is doing what they allegedly did with Brian, that to me, that's crossing the boundary. But a brother helping somebody secure a lawyer, to me, isn't. It's not like he was helping him escape. But I don't know. I mean, it's you're damned if you do. You're damned if you don't. Now it's like whatever you say you're going to be, you know, really getting a lot of heat for. But it's this one's a hard

one for me to swallow. All he wants for Christmas is the charges dropped. Speaking of dropping charges, we are sorry, Teddy, just so much better when you do it, you know, I don't want to. I can't be the Segway girl. That's really that was nice. That was nice. Thank you.

Alec Baldwin is trying to evade any sort of charges or responsibility for what happened on his set of the movie Rust, where he allegedly did not shoot the gun that killed the DP, and so Alec is saying he did not shoot the gun that killed his DP and wounded the director. He's saying that he would never point a gun at someone or intentionally try to shoot someone.

It would never actually fire the weapon. And he's also saying it was never brought to his attention that there was unrest from the crew and that anyone else thought it was unsafe and that they had been cutting corners. But earlier that day, I think over six people left

the set because they thought it was unsafe. I mean, here's the thing I can see from a high profile actor, you know, producer, maybe they were hiding what was really going on on set from him as to not upset him, which happens in business sometimes you you protect it from the boss so that the boss doesn't get upset that things aren't running well. So I mean, you can suspend

your belief that that could be the case. They also as a specialist that watched him do his interview and believes him to be telling the truth by his hand movements and those types of things. I mean, I think this is a terrible tragedy. I want to believe that Alec had absolutely no idea. I can't what there would be no reason for him to do such a thing. He never alluded to wanting to do it. I mean,

I it's his movie. It's supposed to be something that he's going to promote, and that to turn into this can't be something that anybody would ever want. Well, he's calling to find out who put a bullet in the gun, because again this is about gun violence, although this is obviously accidental not intentional, And you know they're saying there are two ways to fire a gun. You either pull the trigger or pulled the hammer back and drop it. Yeah,

I don't know. I know. It's so it's so so so upsetting, and obviously, obviously I think everyone can agree Alec did not intentionally mean to harm anyone. I think that's something we can all agree on. Yeah, it's just a Yeah, it's a horrible situation, and I think we only have time for one more recap before we bring on our our guest. All right, So Jesse is testifying he and the accuser shared drug fueled nights at a

gay bath house. And look, I think the moral of the story is that this is obviously a setup, and they have the two brothers that were hired by Jesse to fake the crime, and they both thought that this would amplify their careers. And obviously neither of them were Trump supporters. They were carrying out fake hate crimes pretending to be Trump supporters, saying, you know, horrible racial and

homophobic slers. So these two brothers took testimony on Wednesday and Thursday in the criminal trial on charges that he staged the attack and falsely reported to the police, and one of the brothers was saying that Jesse had a crazy idea of having two MAGA supporters attack him because he wanted to put it on his social media. The part that I just still resonates with me is when the cops arrived and he still had the news around

his neck. Well, apparently he also wanted them to pour gasoline on him, but he was they were so uncomfortable with doing that, and they ended up changing it to bleach because the brothers were uncomfortable using gasolene. I think too, Yeah,

it's a no for me. And so you know, I think that they are trying to the defenses is requesting a mistrial, of course, and there have been exchanges between the judge and the defense that have escalated and become stupe emotional, and you know, at one point sobbing and pacing around his table. This like the defense is upset with the judge. And I think that there's a lot of emotion coming into play. So I'm excited to see when they come back on Monday to hear closing arguments

and begin deliberating what will actually happen. Me too, which I guess we can get into next week because we've got to take a little break because we've got Justin in the waiting room. I'm so excited for Justin. Me too, Me too, all right, So you guys in sick all right. So I have been obsessed with the Jeffrey Epstein case, all of this from the beginning, and I we just let's start, which is Justin. What got you so interested

in this case? In this trial? I think, just like all of us we've kind of been watching it for a while, and then there was this period where it went quiet and then all of a sudden it's coming back. But I feel like, get lost, um, not excitement, because excitement is the wrong word to use about this, Like we shouldn't be excited about this, but it lost like steam,

like people weren't talking about it as much. And now it's like the actual time when um, she's going in and justice could be served and like people are going to be named and what whatnot, and all of a sudden, I honestly I felt like it's just gone quiet in the mainstream media, you know. So I was just very casually and Teddy. We follow each other on Instagram and I love to talk to people, like I really enjoy

social media because I like to connect and engage. And I've always had a rule for myself, like I'll never talk about things that are divisive or super political. I'll never throw my beliefs at people because I don't really know who all is following me, so I don't want

to offend people whatever. So when I um this Gillian trial came back up, I was like, I want to talk about this because no one's talking about what's going on, and I wasn't even thinking about it being a divisive issue, and all of a sudden it turned into this left right fight, and I was like, what the heck is

going on here? And I didn't realize that at some point people lumped trild child such sex trafficking in with the extreme right and they started saying it's a conspiracy thing to talk about sex traffick and I was like, holy sh it, this is a problem then, you know. And then that's when I really start paying attention to it. Yeah.

I mean, even when I started posting just little things about it today, just saying like I'm bringing justin on we're talking about this, people started messaging me and saying, hey, listen, this is all over mainstream news. What are you talking about your And it's something that shows shocking to me, because like, really, I've seen us talk about it. I saw House and have It talk about it. I see Perez Hilton talk about it. But it's it's as you

posted on your stories today. It's not on the Wall Street Journal, it's not on where New York Times, Washington Post, the New York Times. And here's the thing. When people say, what are you saying it's all over. You can Google anything and find anything. You can also go into the dark weab and find really crazy stuff. So you can find anything when you Google, if you go to CNN, if you go to the Washington Post, if you go to the New York Times, and you just start to

scroll the page, it's not in the top headlines. Now, that's not some weird conspiracy there. You literally go do it, just stroll through. It's not in the top So it's definitely being hidden a little bit. So my thing is like, why are people so quick to like fight back and be like, no, it's absolutely there, it's not you know, I watched the View every single day. The show on Keep You never gets some other you can't watch that garbage. It's just women with one view fighting with each other

all the time or whatever. And I'm like, no, I like to watch CNN, I like to watch Fox, I like to watch the News. I want to see all perspectives because I really want to take it all in. And um, they don't mention it ever on the View. They never talked about something like what is going on? And I don't know how deep you guys want to go, but I do think there's something to this case is being protected. It just is it's being kept really quiet.

If they wanted us to know about this, and they thought that they could get us all to fight about this, it would be everywhere. Think about every massive trial that's been out in the past few years. It's blasted in our face trial, it's everywhere. Because this is a federal case, we can't have any live streaming footage of it. That's exact they're saying. But any other case that's ever been like this before where you couldn't have cameras inside, it

would be even more packed outside the courthouse. So outside the courthouse, you shouldn't be able to get close to the court to the courthouse. So there's this woman on Instagram house in habit and she actually flew herself to New York because she wanted to be there, and she's been showing videos every morning where there is no one

in front. And what that tells me is every major news source isn't sending their journalists, are sending their reporters there um to cover this, And what the problem with that is, Because then people on Instagram will say to me, justin what's the problem, Why do you want it to be mayhem outside of the court, and I'm like, not even mayhem, just people actually being there reporting in real time.

But what it says to everyone when they see it empty in front of the courthouse is that it's like, oh, we don't really care about this case or it's being taken care of. It's not. This woman house in Habit is saying. What she's hearing in the courts right now is that they're literally discounting these women, the victims voices. They're trying to put them down because what they want to do is they want to silent this really quick. They don't want the names to come out, you know.

I mean it gets deep to like that's why they don't want the reporters there, because they don't want anyone writing in real time what's happening, because then they're going to have to start sharing the truth. And that's why that's why people are avoiding it is because it's actually both sides of everything, so you can't This isn't one of those things they can just angle and say this is what these people did. Once you start talking about it, whoever you're also on the side with that name is

coming up too. So everyone's just like forget about But to me, regardless of what your side is, there were so there was a ring, there was a pyramid of abused girls. Right, So it doesn't matter which side you're on. This is the thing that drives me crazy too, just as like an empathetic like I like to like get along with everyone, like fun, like to whatever. This is a yeah in the in the past like two years

that we've all had, right, we've just been dragged through it. Right, this would actually be of all the cases, none of us want to celebrate anything like this, but this would be the one case where we could all come together and be like, we want to watch this trial and we want justice. We want names to come up, we want people to go to jail, we want to see justice for these girls, the victims. So why is the one case that could bring us together just being completely silenced?

And that goes back to like the media just works really well when we're all fighting with each other. They want to us all screening at each other all the time to be to buy it. This isn't a left or right issue. I was gonna say, So, why do you think that the networks are so afraid to send reporters because I honestly believe and I don't know. I mean, frak, I'm not like, I'm not like Sutton on the House. I was talking to my lawyer before I do things. But I don't you know anything I want to I

want to say. I want to say really quick early in us talking like I'm not an expert in this. I freaking have done a hair color for my whole life, like I have my own hair colored brand. I'm not a journalist. I didn't even go to college. I'm talking like a real person, just conversation. I also don't care if somebody explains to me like, oh, you're actually wrong with this, and then I would keep talking about that, going a different direction. What ever. So I'm not trying

to act like I'm an expert on this. But the funny thing to me was, so about a two years ago I moved to Nashville. My whole career in l A was doing celebrity hair mostly That's what I was known for, doing, really big celebrity names and then tons of my favorites, which are reality stars. Um. But so I've always been in this Hollywood real celebrity world. So about a year ago, my cousin Tim Ballard has a rescue, an organization called Our Rescue and it's all about sex trafficking.

And about a year ago I gave him a shout out like, hey, you guys follow my cousin Kim and his organization, and all of a sudden, all these dm started coming and say thank you so much for being someone from Hollywood who's talking about sex trafficking. And I'm like, why wouldn't I talk about sex trafficking? And then I started talking to people and they're like, no, celebrities will talk about um sex trafficking, And all of a sudden, like what the hell is going on? To cut to somewhere.

Somebody made it a thing if you talk about sex trafficking, you're crazy conservatives exactly. So my thing is is like that is to check someone. Why is this conversation being so shut down because there's people that don't want it to get out. I mean, meanwhile, this trial started and even C suite execs have all stepped down from their

positions from various networks jobs. So it lets you know that a lot of people in positions of power are terrified, which kind of lends itself to the next question is do you feel like Gaalaine is being blamed for Epstein's actions and how involved do you think she really was in all of this? Um, I, you know, it's it's a careful It's something that you have to be careful with because you don't want to say, like, yeah, she should get all of it. But she's the one who's

alive right now, she's the one in trial. But now what I'm hearing, she was just as involved as he was. She was the one that was going out and finding these girls, she was grooming them, she was bringing it back. She was in the room when the sex abuse happened. So it's like, absolutely she should be treated as part of this. She she's the only one left there. But the real thing that she has, she has the names. She has the ability to name off who which that island,

who actually messed around with kids. They're saying that that island was full of cameras everywhere. I really believe in this is just my opinion or what I think. I think they have videos and photos of tons of high powered people engaging in this that they wanted to use as blackmail, and that's what everyone is so afraid that it will get out. So it's like, let's hush Galaine, let's say that we're gonna give her the highest sentence possible.

But really what they're gonna do is just hide her away, keep all of that a big secret. That's fucking scary. No,

it's it's really scary. Especially I watched the documentary on her that was on Hulu, and it really breaks down how involved she allegedly is and how they The part that really sickens me is like they preyed on the week, they preyed on girls that were abused before, and then when those girls would be to their breaking point, way that they would keep the girls allegedly was that they would then still pay them to bring on more girls.

So now they're adding all of this hate because now they've had brought in forty to fifty of their friends or people they know or they go to school with, and now they've done the same thing to them. Is that or there's little sister or whatever it may be. So the chain of abuse is so long, and I mean a lot of these women are saying that not only was she in the room, but a lot of the time she was allegedly touching them as well, and becoming their friend and becoming someone that they looked up to.

And I just think that regardless, And and then people will also say because of her father she was you know, this is why she is the way that she is to me, regardless, she seems like a very smart woman and very calculated. Like she didn't meet Epstein by accident, she didn't get linked into him by accident. She knew what she was doing. She no longer had money, and so I don't I don't have empathy for her in this case millions of dollars. Well, she's upset right now

that Epstein's people aren't paying her lawyer. Yeah, she is. And it's interesting that you talked about her dad, because her dad was also a very similar type of person to Jeffrey Epstein. They were feared um in intense terrifying people who were the heads of their organizations. And she always tried to please her father. She was the little list of nine siblings. And when her father died and his yacht was called Lady Gallaine, so you know, he loved her the most. It's so creepy, but I don't

think you can really love if you're a narcissist. Yeah, yes, whatever that word is. Yeah, what he wanted he I don't know. He wanted him to be pleased the most by her. I don't know. It's so gross. When he died, allegedly she was seen shredding documents of his so as you do when someone close to you, guys, right, exactly. Um. Yeah, by the way, Teddy, I've got a lot of documents in a drawer just in case anything. How I'm not, I'm sorry, I don't have your back there, I will

that case will be covered. If I'm sorry, I'm out. But the mold you whatever, Teddy, We're gonna have to have a talk after this. But I think you know, she's not new to crime, but and adjust to play devil's advocate. Do you guys think that she was conditioned to this because of the way that she was grown, the way she was raised. It was it was made normal to her. I think yeah, absolutely. The relationship with her father, that was the thing. You know, people are like, oh,

why is that really? Then it's absolutely relevant, like where did she learn this kind of behavior that you just you serve to a man, you know, her father the whole time. Once her father passed away. She absolutely was looking for a certain sort of lifestyle. They say that what Epstein got from Geelame was that she had all these connections with with powerful people. He was actually like an anu, He liked to hide out, he didn't want to be super super social. She would go out and

do all of that networking for them. So they like they found this thing. They were part they were partners and this whole huge crime um and so yeah, that's why she is getting what she's getting, and we all should see it and we should hear anything. The thing that's crazy too, is like if there is this cyber people like, oh, this is a conspiracy and you're going

down the rabbit hole. If you really believe that, Okay, I get it, But then why wouldn't you want it to be uncovered even more than let's get to the bottom of it, and let's prove that people are are being crazy when they're asking for more questions. Why is it keep being more hidden and that's just gonna keep us all being like crazy and all this controversy going on and fighting. Then answer the question, put it all out there for all of us to see. Explain to

us how people aren't involved. I mean, because for me, it's about facts. That's why I it's not political at all. I'm not even well versed politically, but i want to know the facts. And when I see that the chain of abuse is now getting escalated to the courtroom because these girls the same way that Epstein and Glene allegedly seek them out to abuse them, is what the lawyers are now doing to them by bringing up the past trauma, by bringing up that they may have had an abortion,

by bringing up, you know, history of drug use. If you're being abused, most likely you are going to medicate exactly these women were abused. Of course, some of them are going to turn to drugs later. They're not going to have like a healthy, normal lifestyle after they've been abused as a teenager. So pointing that stuff out doesn't tell me anything. Of course, these girls are damaged. No one has taken care of him, no one's listened to him. And now you're in a court and you're gonna tear

him down. Say, oh, you were a cocaine user, you che ne did on your first husband. Yeah, it's not shocking. That doesn't tell us anything. Or you want you said nice things to Epstein, like you thanked him for Like, yes, you're They were being manipulated, they were being sent to colleges, they were being sent to like paid for. So people

get confused, They get confused between love and money. But then there's the other side of abuse, Like most of these women said they had to compartmentalize them in two different spaces because they were taken on trips they never would have done. They were doing things they like there were times where they felt like a family. That's actually

what grooming is exactly exactly. And the crazy thing about this conversation right here, like what we're having right now, it's sad that we even have to have this kind of conversation because they're not it's not out there. It's not in the media where all these questions can be answered because it's so hidden. So it's like all these conspiracies are going to keep going on. Like unfortunately with

social media, this stuff doesn't just go away. It's gonna be talked about and people are gonna get angry because they want to hear more. So I don't understand how they think they can hide this. I think they're fit figuring out. It's like, holy sh it, like this could get really loud, like it's on the brink, like people are starting to poke into it and stuff. But most people don't want to talk about kids being abused either. It's not something you talk about at the dinner with

your whole family. You don't go to work and talk to You kind of have to feel people out, like are you willing to talk about this topic? You know? And that scares me. It's just it'll go as long as it's as long as it's happening. It needs I agree with you, it needs to be talked about more. Otherwise it's just going to be continued to be swept

under the rug. Yeah. I also think this is why they're denying her bail requests, even though she's asking for twenty eight point five million bail, because they know that she's a flight risk and that she'll probably jump ship and hide because there are so many secrets and if they keep digging, they're going to get there, and there are so many people that want to keep these secrets hidden. Can we also discuss the fact that in between when Epstein was arrested and dyeing all these things, she was

out there doing ted talks. I'm sorry like we already knew, we already knew, and yet you're out doing TED talks empowering women starting these new companies. Like she ends up with another wealthy man that ends up leaving his wife for her, Like there is a pattern here I don't understand. I mean, that's a narcissist right there, not taking any accountability at all. Like this woman, if she gets off like she does, she's not going to learn a lesson.

It's not like all of a sudden she's gonna be a better person, you know, But at this point, beyond just trying to put her in jail, she should absolutely put in jail for the maximum amount of time, but beyond that, like we need to know who else was involved.

Also just for quieting down the rumors. I'm so sick of going on the Internet and having people write things or right to me the d M s about like you know that all of Hollywood is involved in this, And because people know that I've been connected to celebrities when I worked in l A, people always say like, justin you know that Hollywood is disgusting. The I'm like, no one in Hollywood is eating babies. The general doesn't have like ellenor Jenners, so that have kids in her basement.

I mean when I moved, I'll be honest, when I moved to the South was the first time I started hearing celebrity rumors, like people like, oh wait, you're connected to Hollywood? Have you heard the blablah? I'm like, are you guys out of your damn mind? Like yours? Like Christian is eating babies? And yeah, I mean, yeah, Hollywood is discussing, just not for that reason. They have a whole other slow of reasons. But like that's why I guess why I can't wrap my head around is why

do they have to be the same thing. Why can't it just be here's the information, here's what's going on, who, here's who's involved in this case, and then if it's shown, we can start to educate our families and how to protect themselves. Exactly. I just want to really quickly give a rundown of the charges relating to the allegations that she's had over the past ten year period between two

thousand four. So, the charges so far are conspiracy to entice miners to travel to engage in a legal sex act, enticement of a minor to travel, to engage in a legal sex acts, conspiracy to transport miners with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, sex trafficking, conspiracy sex trafficking of a minor, and she's also charged with two counts of perjury. So those are a lot of

allegations to get out of. I don't I think if she gets off on one, she's not getting off on all of these. I don't think she's getting off. But I think the point is why don't we Why aren't we hearing the updates because of I mean, even when you watch Prince Andrew stumble through his interview about how he was never in the picture, he never even thinks he went upstairs, Like it's unbelievable, Like, why are we talking about it? And why when we are talking about it?

I mean, I think we need to get into the world of being shadow banded. Why when you're talking about it, all of a sudden, of the algorithms chained on your Instagram and people can't see your story. Well, if that doesn't tell you something right there, it's like, come on, like there is absolutely something going on. We know that this is being trying to be hidden. The thing that's funny about Prince Andrew is it's like the fact that he even thinks that, like, because of his position, he

can just say that, oh, I wasn't there. It's like, dude, we see the pictures, like you, we're looking at the photo. We see the pictures, and we've seen the interview from the girl. Yeah. And and Galine is trying to deflect any of the blame on her and saying that if Epstein was still alive, no one would care about her. They I still care about her. I'm actually I love that she mad at her because she should be protecting

these girls. Yea, exactly, yes. And she was acting like a fake sister or mother and showering them in gifts and wading outside schoolyard gates to groom girls and poach them and find them. And she was saying, you know how he likes them skinny and pretty and young. Yeah, I'm is bad because I would have never been chosen. I mean. The other thing is Glen says that Jeffrey needed to have sex three times a day and it was hard for her to keep up. Yeah, It's like, yeah,

who doesn't how else are you supposed to be productive? Um, I don't try having some kids. Kidding, I'm so single, I'm so single. But you can schedule the three times a week with me between this hour and this hour. But but also, you know, I feel bad for the

women and the pseudonyms that they're using. Obviously, for one like Kate who was trained to massage his feet, so Gleyne would massage his feet, then she would massage his feet, and then he would call her in to have a different type of massage, and Glen would give her all these compliments about saying, oh, I'm so glad you're here. You did such a good time last time that he wanted you to come back. And it just makes one of vomit in my mouth. I mean, this is so disgusting.

And anybody who has I mean, Teddy, you have kids, and anybody, I mean all of my best friends or girls, like all of us should be just like up in arms about this. We should want this to be taken care of. It needs to be blasted everywhere, like this is something that obviously needs to be taken care of beyond just Epstein. But he's the biggest case that we've

ever seen of this type of type of thing. You know, So when people are saying like, um oh Epstein himself today on social media, people were saying, oh, the reason people aren't talking about because Epstein himself isn't that famous, Like some people don't care, Like what are you talking about? Like this is this, this case should be everywhere. We should all absolutely care, we should all want this to

be taken care of. Um. I just won't understand these people wanted to fight about it online other than just coming together, because I think that's what's happening right now. I think that's why. You know, I'm glad we're having this conversation. But the divide people want. People are so lost right now that they want to do anything to give them that rise and feeling. So fighting with each other is the only way they're getting that like feeling.

That That's why it's like how some people are in bad relationships because they ultimately like that rush of getting in that fight and then making up and having makeup sex or whatever it is. And then imagine when you finally get into a good relationship because I was in the really messy with a wonderful one, but how good it is on the other side. So the thing is, it's like, you guys, imagine how great it's gonna be.

Like the next chapter of all of our lives after the past two years we just had, is should be to come together to bond somehow as Americans. And that's not me being like kumbaya and trying to be sweet. It's like, aren't we sick of fighting about everything? And now we're even fighting about sex trafficking victims of like sexual abuse children were fighting about that. To be honest, I'm actually surprised there are no protests outside the trial.

You think that after the year we've had with everyone protesting and being the streets, that that there you and to walk towards the trial. But that's the problem. That's the problem with the media not being involved too, is that the media wanted there to be riots, and they wanted us to They would set that up, you know.

But it's like, there should absolutely people out front who are demanding justice, like to show that this is a massive case that we all care about, but they're not out there because do you know how many people even write to me on Instagram who are like, um, what trial are you even talking about? What are you talking about and I'm like the fact that you don't even know. Well, we have to remember that this happened already once the first time in Florida. Remember when everything just got pushed

aside at the first time he was arrested. Yeah, that's a bigger red flag than my ex boyfriend. I can't but I think, you know. In closing, because I know we're running out of time, justin what do you recommend that people do right now to get educated on this for facts, it's not about political but facts. And then how do they spread the word so this becomes something that we're all talking about, not fighting about. You know, It's funny. There's that account that we keep talking about.

Her name is house Inhabit. Her name is Jessica, and I've actually been following her for like the past year and a half on my fake account. So I've been watching all of her stories because before I before I shout something, because even though I act like a total idiot on Instagram, like I am thoughtful. I like I was saying earlier, I don't want to talk about politics, Like I'm not even smart enough to go to debate with people in politics. So I'm really careful about what

I put out there. But I was following for a year and I was like, wow, this woman is being very, very open both She's not making it about a left or right issue. She really breaks everything down and lets people be like, here's the fact, you guys think what you want. So I've been following her and she just gets to be really fired up. So house Inhabit on Instagram is fabulous. And then beyond that, it's just, um, don't be afraid to have this conversation or to be

paying attention to it. Like I'm seeing that more some people are starting to post about it on Instagram, but um, it's just while it's to me that they're not. I mean, there are all the crazy hashtag people who fight for everything, but then it's absolute silence with this. Every other issue that we've run into in the past few years has a hashtag and a movement. Everyone's screaming yes, like yeah, this is just literally crickets. Like that's so weird to

be you know. It's like, I don't even want to do the whole box thing and yelling at each other, pushing all that kind of stuff, but this has nothing. No one's talking about it. So house in habit is great. Wait, Teddy, what's the feel like? Are your friends in l A talking about it? You know? Not really? I mean I think that. I mean, if if somebody brings it up,

we'll have the conversation. But I think it's more like we we've watched this movie and it's not really happening, right, you know, like, oh, when we all watched the documentary when it came out on Netflix, Filthy Wrench, everybody kind of talked about that, but it was like it was not real life. And I think that's what's because it's so terrible and it's so traumatic. I think people put it to the side because you don't want to believe it to be true. People are just assuming it will

get handled because it's so obvious that it all happened. Well, And here's the thing to anyone, to anyone listening, like it will be handled in the sense that like she will, she'll be found guilty if she has found guild, like she'll be handled. But there's a whole bigger web that's not being opened up. That's what's not going to be handled unless people start demanding, like, who's in the Black Book?

Talk about that? Where are the tapes that you guys have, the videos that you guys have, Like why aren't names being said? They won't be they won't be said. There's way too much money behind it, so Galanne will be

taken care of. But that's the problem. But I think that that's you know, it's not that this is a true comparison, but even what happened with Free Brittany, it took people to repeatedly talk about it, open up the conversation of conservativeship for people to actually make can you change and go to court and actually want to know her?

You want to know? It's funny and like, I have to share this in case some people end up on this podcast who have listened to be talked before I got into hot water about a year and a half ago, because when the free Britney stuff was happening, I was kind of like, I don't know, I think Britney spine. I think that Britney wants help, She'll ask and I'll be really honest. There were a lot of people close to Brittany who kind of got in my ear about

a year and a half ago. It was like Britney spine, like whatever, and they grooming sounds so weird, but kind of taught me to be like, no Brittney spine because before that I was doing hashtag free Brittany or whatever, and these people came in there like she's fine or whatever, and so I was kind of like, she's fine whatever. And then all of a sudden, when all this opened up, I was like, holy sh it, like I got silence I was. I started saying things like she's fine, it's

gonna be taking care of whatever. So now looking back and I'm like, no, there are a lot of things that are gonna happen now and moving forward that we really do have to pay attention to and get loud about, asked more questions. So I learned it from Brittany. Everything goes back to Brittany for me, I mean everything, everything is Oh my gosh, you guys, thank you so much for joining us justin Please if there's ever a case you want to talk about, we talk about them all.

Please come on again. We are such a pleasure. And I love following you because I learned from you. I hear different conversations. I also love that if you say something and you change your mind, you will always end up You'll say you're like, listen, you prove me wrong or this happened right. I love that because that's growth, you guys, And that's the only way that we started to use that word in the sentence. What what I

don't even know what's that? Oh? Growth? Yeah, I mean, but that's growth, and it's the only way that we all are out actually going to do it. And so I appreciate you for speaking out justin for coming on and talking with us, because it's the only way, it's the only way out of all of this. I appreciate

that so much. I really appreciate you pointing that out, Teddy like a lot, because I do think that that's what's missing right now is everyone's yelling their stuff, but it's okay to talk and also take things back and say, wow, now I'm seeing it this way, and I think that's what we're all missing as humans. There needs to be a lot more of that, just conversations back and forth. Yeah, you don't have to hate each other afterwards, you can just have a conversation. But yeah, we'll do the best

that we can. Um, guys, hope we need to come up with a hashtag for this. That seems to be the only reason that people get excited about something. Let's see what our responses from this, and then maybe we'll have to all collectively come together and we get we'll create a hashtag and do all that. We have homework, all right, everybody got to three? Go? All right? Thank you guys, Thank you Justin to me, I mean, I'm

all about hashtag. Galaine maxed out. I I guys, I just I can't believe all this, Leah, thank you so much for informing us on so many terrible news updates, so many things. Thank you so much, Teddy, really do our call in number just the way that only you can do. Yeah, of course always, and of course thank you Justin for coming on and being our celebrity social

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